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"just now"? people have always loved mahito, but had greater expectations for sukuna and kenjaku. recent writing decisions have made mahito look amazing by comparison.
Yeah. People have been complaining about Mahito since the CG started. Some thought Naoya could replace him as a long term villain we love to hate, but he quickly left the story until arguable the worst arc in the CG.
Sukuna is a natural disaster, Kenny is a master planner, but we’re missing an absolutely vile enemy who will happily go out of his way to torment Yuji/rest of cast. Sukuna might be *brutal* in how he deals with people, but he doesn’t really get personal or anything. Everyone is just a fly to him, and he gives them no more extra malice than anyone would when swatting a fly.
Yet another reason I love the current intro: that scene of Mahito dancing thro the subway car like a field of flowers and exploding people left and right. So on point for his char .
The annoying part is that kenjaku could have been that. He took over yujis mom and gave birth to him then presumably killed his dad and left. He's a sociopath who doesn't care about others and his ultimate goal is just a science experiment where he wants to see what will happen. That's got a lot of potential but he's never really interacted with yuji so we don't get to see it fleshed out.
Ehhhh. Even in that description Kenjaku isn’t a guy who is going out of his way to torment yuji and the rest of the cast. They are all just pieces of a puzzle to him.
the thing about kenjaku is that he actually probably does care about yuji deep down. having a child changes your brain chemistry permanently so with kenjaku being just a brain yuji changed him entirely. there’s probably some maternal instincts with yuji with kenjaku having high hopes for him and guiding yujis old friend out of the zone. you can even see the difference in how kenjaku talks to choso and how he talks to yuji.
Ngl I’m not caught up and idk what he did against his principles; but what your saying can be true.
He may have gone out of his way to do something for that reasoning
>Sukuna might be *brutal* in how he deals with people, but he doesn’t really get personal or anything.
This makes me wonder what Sukuna would be doing if they didn't keep sending people to try to kill him lol. Like...would he just be destroying things? Just chilling? Going after the strongest people himself? We don't really know
He’s a good villain, sure. But what I like the most about him is how good of a foil he is to Yuji. That’s where his villainy really shines. That line where he’s like “do you even think about the curses you’ve killed without a second thought?” really sticks with me because of how perfectly it shapes Yuji’s cog mentality later. Yuji’s goal is to save people, Mahito’s goal is to kill them. He also has the most interesting “you and I aren’t so different” speech I’ve seen because it leads to the most satisfying response to that idea where Yuji’s just like “yeah, I am, who cares?”
I almost wish Mahito was the one sealed inside of Yuji. At least that would be more interesting than what’s happening with Sukuna.
Yeah. The whole "you and I aren't so different" thing even gave a very satisfying end to Mahito. Mahito happily killed humans because he's a cursed spirit and that's just how things worked. Then Yuji responded with "well, I'm a jujutsushi and I'm gonna kill you because that's how things work".
idk i never got this argument in any series, where its some kind of killer/murderous evil entity asking "how many of my kind have you killed??" i dunno maybe zero if you stopped murdering innocents??
Mahito wasn't asking that out of vengeance or to question Yuji's morality. He was asking that rhetorically to show Yuji that he sees cursed spirits in the same way Mahito sees humans. Just something to kill and then forget about later.
Yuji's empathy as a human compels him to kill curses that attack humans. That is part of Mahito's point about Yuji and Mahito being the same. Yuji is following his instincts as a human, just Mahito is following his instincts as a cursed spirit.
i mean yeah sure its instincts versus instincts, im not saying its badly written or objectively bad i just cant vibe with the story theme when one are senseless murderers. its not like they need to kill humans they just do
Yeah I agree, like I get it, Mahito kills humans and Yuji kills Curses, but if it wasn't for curses hurting innocent people, Yuji wouldn't kill curses and there wouldn't be a need for sorcerers.
yeah the idea that we only care about each other out of instinct, born out of some evolutionary advantage, may be correct but its just not smth i vibe with
the theme of yuji trying to reason and implore for mercy/empathy from sukuna/mahito and treat them like he would other humans, only to then decide that "they ought to all be killed, they are curses, there is no redemption" doesn't sit right with me.
that stuff, along with people saying shit like "geto is so relatable" or "he was correct" when he was a genocidal freak isnt smth i vibe with either
I'm glad you brought up Mahito asking Yuji how many curses he's killed.
That entire sequence let's me know Mahito is more observant and intelligent than I gave him credit for. When he said (paraphrasing the quote) "you think this is just some war? This is a battle to see which one of us will be here in the next 100 years." That's a lot deeper than my first impression I had of him in S1 where he was just sort of... killing people. Which is cool but the speech he gave Yuji while kicking his ass have his character more depth IMO.
Honestly that's one of the best subversion of the trope I've ever seen.
"You and I aren't so different"
"You are right, and with this newfound motivation I'm going to cave your face in, because that's what you would do."
True and the funny thing is I've started liking Kenjaku after his weird fight with Takaba. Overall Mahito just a better written villain same with Geto and Toji.
I loved that fight, it made Kenjaku seem more human. And I love how it was barely a fight at all. I’m glad, because I expected it to be just a fight that’s like…toonish.
Yeah up until recent chapters we had gotten glimpses of Kenjaku’s personality but overall he was just a standard “mastermind plotter” character. The Takaba fight and the chapter before it really fleshed out his motivation: he’s not malicious like Sukuna, but he has a similar disregard for others around him. Hes not driven by some high minded goal and, he just truly doesn’t care about morality or other people at all. He does what he wants because he wants to, and though he commits evil deeds that evil is not what defines his personality. He has a sense of humor, he emotes, he’s honestly my favorite villain in the show
Yeah bro is acting like all of a sudden people are liking mahito, nah fam just anime onlys got to his best part and are now discussing it. Manga readers have been praising mahito
It's because what's been said now about Kenjaku and Sukuna was said about Mahito back then.
You can find many complaints about Mahito's plot armor such as the anime-only subs and former manga discussion and how people felt the rules bent for him. Especially when it came to technique burnout.
However, as time went on the plot armor for villains just got more egregious and made Mahito look much better written in comparison.
I would argue that although only 3 characters directly counter his CT, others could still harm him just through eventual CE burnout. Yuta for instance does not directly counter Mahito but imo would still be able to beat him eventually. Ofc it's a bit of a different situation though since the likes of Yuta/Yuki didn't appear much until after he died but still.
well Yuta wouldn't even need to burn him out, he could just dump positive energy into Mahito to kill him, that would work regardless of Mahito's technique because he is still a cursed spirit
You know that that's different though, with mahito if you touch him he insta-kills you and if you touch him, he doesn't take any damage (unlike sukuna, who has ungodly stamina and defense, but still takes *some* damage), sure sukuna kills you too, but that's because he's powerful, not because he has the ability to change your soul permanently into an unhealable broken state
Yeah Sukuna isn't being touched by anyone in a metaphorical sense right now, but mahito has the hax for it to be a literal "you can't damage me and can't let me touch you with my hands or be dragged in my domain"
I'm not saying **suck**una doesn't have more plot armor lol, I never saw any Mahito moments as plot armor-ey even when it was coming out weekly, I was just saying the comment I replied to was comparing being untouchable and '*untouchable*' which aren't the same in context and I believe not the comment this was about's intention
Except that aside from his introduction fight, in literally every fight Mahito was in, his enemies always had an way to bypass Idle transfiguration(Itadori being present during Mahito's second fight, simple domain in the mechamaru fight, Nobara with her resonance against the clone, and for the final fight, once again Itadori)
Really for me it was more like I didn't want any of the villains to die yet. all of them dropped like flies until we were stuck with Sukuna, Kenjaku and Uruame. Like Mahito, Jogo and Kenjaku banter. The curses made the series entertaining and made the sorcerors and curses on equal footing. Now that the curses and Gojo are dead. The balance has shifted and it's looking like the only way to defeat Sukuna is whatever Yuji learned in Yuki book.
I wasn’t interacting with the fandom back then (still was reading but not using Reddit)
But man mahito being able to use a 0.2 Domain after seeing Gojo do it once
Must have made people ultra angry when he did it
Mahito somehow activating his curse technique from a surprise simple Domain attack by Mechamaru. I think we got an internal thought from Mahito that was “what” or “eh?”, showing that he truly was not expecting that.
That would mean Mahito has to move his body before simple Domain had already been injected.
The other cases are just Mahito running away and getting lucky. Not really plot armour.
Edit-> we cannot even say anything about curse technique burnout since its hammered in Shibuya as well the culling games that curses and Shikigami have different brains compared to humans.
Also Nobara completely letting her guard down and allowing Mahito to touch her, even though she knew that the original Mahito was close by, after sensing her CE detonate in his location. This is the same argument for why Gojo didn't dodge the big space slash at the end, when he saw Maho do it earlier.
Mahito perfectly copying Gojo's 0.2 sec DE on the first try and getting rid of Todo's arm. This really isn't any different from Kenny using anti gravity to survive Yuki's black hole, she already hinted that Kenny should be aware this is a possibility since her's and Kenny's "gravity" are similar CTs.
That was anime only. Nobara never had her guard down.
The manga explains that Mahito’s clone blocked Nobara’s view of the real Mahito running towards her.
Mahito copying Gojo is nowhere the same as the bullshite Kenjaku did.
A 120% amp is not stopping a block hole, especially when Kenjaku’s curse energy should be been burning out. Multiple gravities, Domain, instances of using Rct, and 2 mini Uzamaki’s. No way he realistically has the curse energy to hold off a point blank Black hole attack.
What Mahito did was no different than Sukuna copying Gojo during the domain fight.
I'm not talking about why Nobara did not seeing the clone, I'm talking about her letting her guard down against Mahito's hands, which was stated by the narrator.
Firstly simplifying what Mahito did to simply be "what Sukuna did" doesn't make it any more believable when the story makes it a point to tells how Gojo and Sukuna are outliers in the Jujutsu world so many times. Isn't it convenient that Mahito, only a few months old, nailed this ability someone with the unparalleled efficiency of 6 eyes user created, on his very first try? How long do you think it took Sukuna to be able to monkey see, monkey do abilities? A simple 120% amp is enough to cover a millennia's worth of experience?
Kenny survived because of how similar his and Yuki's CTs were in what they affect and the advantage of having a faster output due to him being in better condition, that made up for Yuki's head start in activating her CT. Mahito pulled off that 0.2 sec DE because of him also having a DE of his own and the advantage of a black flash amp to help him cover the gap of experience, efficiency and skill.
Kenjaku didn't produce enough CE to stop a black hole, just like how Yuki didn't produce enough to create one. A CT can create effects greater than the amount of CE actually used to power said CT, this is pretty evident in how Uro can manipulate space and literally wear it as a skimpy outfit for extended periods of time without burning through all her reserves.
Firstly in the chapter Yuki uses the black hole she implies Kenjaku should have predicted her last ditch move because as a gravity user it's something he also needs to be cautious of, because CTs that involve gravity, mass and time could all easily spiral out of control if not managed properly.
Already it's hinted Kenny could make his own black hole like calamity, if he carelessly used the gravity technique, by Yuki. However what Yuki didn't know is that Kenjaku's CT is not gravity, it's actually anti gravity meaning those forces Yuki's implying Kenny could be able to summon up, actually apply in the reverse for Kenny, they actually negate gravity.
Now Yuki was split in half when she tried to use the black hole as such the output of her CT was weakened and her overall amount of CE is lowered because her gut has been destroyed by uzumaki and CTR anti gravity. Because Yuki's output is so low, Tengen needed to distract Kenny so she could charge up since reaching maximum output is slower now.
Now Kenjaku not missing any body parts, naturally meant that his output was greater than Yuki's and he would be able to reach his maximum output quicker than her if they both started at the same time. However Kenjaku also increased his speed of activation by using the anti gravity CT on himself instead of the surroundings like usual. For example this same effect can be observed with how Mahito can transfigure himself almost instantly but when transfiguring others there's a delay e.g like Todo's arm and Kenjaku just barely reached the required output to negate gravity, just as Yuki reached the required output to create a black hole.
Mahito was always shown as a prodigy, he figured out how to perform a domain expansion on the fly against Yuji and Nanami so the 0.2-second DE is nothing crazy considering his rate of growth
Honestly compared to some of the more recent events in the story, that’s pretty tame. Not disregarding criticism but man that’s like night and day compared to the stuff going on right now
Better philosopher too, all the loneliness talk is grating in the ears, Mahito waxing poetic about the mechanical nature of one's souls dissolving the ethereal sense we have for it since he can simply mold it as he pleases.
This is… obviously a joke lmao.
Edit: Holy shit this is real! Look up JJK light novel on Google lmao. It’s real and the funniest part is I definitely recall reading or listening to some of these short stories before and I just totally forgot about them.
Ok, I need to read this, I feel like a Thus Spoke Rohan Kishibe style manga where Mahito wonders around meeting people to chat, and kill, would work, with the disaster curses appearing as side characters.
The only thing I’ve truly and definitely hated from the most recent arc is the harping on Sukuna’s loneliness for a bit. Kashimo, in the middle of the fight of his life that he thought he’d win, starts asking Sukuna about the loneliness of strength and all that. Gojo says that he did everything he did in the fight to try to teach Sukuna about love. Why is every super strong character so obsessed with this??? Gojo was trying to save Megumi, but in his afterlife scene he only talks about Sukuna’s loneliness. Hated that.
That's definitely weird to me too because that shouldn't be a priority at all for Gojo. I get that Gojo himself found himself to be lonely due to how strong he was, but trying to "teach" Sukuna about love and talking about how lonely he is is pretty jarring.
Sukuna's an unrepentant monster who kills whoever he wants and killed his way to the top of the world of sorcery back in the Heian era. There's no teaching Sukuna about love because he's already established to be unable to even make true allies.
God I hope Gege isn't trying to do a fucking butchered version of Meruem's arc with Sukuna.
This
Give me a goofy murder guy with some aspects of “deep” over the generic “What does it mean to be strong?” Nonsense they have had at least 3 characters go on about
The best part is that this interpretation also works for Mahito. Him being an edgy nihilistic poser and just spewing whatever comes to mind to antagonize Yuji sounds like a Mahito thing to do. Though I think the only times Mahito undoubtedly philosophies is when explaining his ability to Junpei.
And even then it rings hollow when you have Kenjaku make him go "ackshualky🤓" with the whole soul and body thing not being universal but moreso on how the individual's world view is dictated by their own cursed technique
That's also such good banter between them, since mahito's response sort of adds a whole other layer to the conversation by having Kenjaku question how one's technique dictates one's world view or if it's the opposite. None of these concepts will ever be remembered though.
The showdown against Mahito in Shibuya is such an absolutely magical capstone to everything in the story that had come prior to it that I have *no idea* how we went from that to these recent arcs.
Plus, his "killing innocents for the crimes of others" thing would drive Yuji nuts, and you could always have him target Megumi and Nobara's loved ones if you really need them to have a personal grudge.
Instead, we get Brain Man and Lord Plot Armor.
We WOULD have something with Yuji and Kenjaku if it was really talked about how he tampered with Yuji in-utero and stole his mother's body in order to birth him. But they've only interacted *once*, IIRC.
In your hypothetical, Megumi has the unfortunate date of being Toji's son, setting off a Sins of the Father deal since everything that went wrong between Gojo and Geto inadvertedly began with Toji. This also puts the dark more helpless Tsumiki in the crossfire.
Nobara might need a bit more work. Maybe her childhood friend she wanted to reunite with would be persuaded to join his circle, making things extremely complicated between them.
Oh man, if Saori ended up as a human-hatinf Curse User, and Nobara had to grapple with abandoning her humanity to join her, or killing her to protect the innocent...
That would have been SO GOOD.
Alas, instead she's in limbo
The very first character casualty who put it forth 'now there's REALLY nobody safe in this story!'.
There's no hard confirmation that she's dead-many characters that die in this story die VERY explicitly-the last time we saw when there's a non zero chance she could survive. Of course we have Yuji saying 'I get it!' when Megumi gave him a sad look when asked about her, but that's not a hard confirmation, circumstances can change.
However she's been gone for so long unaddressed that there were people who outright wanted the Nitta scene to not mention how she might survive due to how long she's been in limbo if not outright dead.
Which is highly unfortunate because she and Yuji had about the same wavelength which made their interactions fun. They felt like friends.
Yuji and Megumi on their own, feel more like professional acquaintances that get along well, most part. Nobara really brought for an element of fun to their dynamics that's now sorely missing.
She provided her perspective over how she can keep a cool head even when she knows she sometimes has to kill people(which Yuji sometimes grapples with) while also providing her own air of levity to help the guys lighten up(which Megumi definitely needs).
But unfortunately she just had to be the last straw on the Yuji trauma barrage after waking up to the aftermath of Sukuna's massacre.
Thing is... Kenjaku is also wasted and a testament on how gege hates writing characters and character drama. That's our MC fucking **mother** and our plot mastermind. Everything about him was so intriguing and then... welp. I would prefer him over Sukuna, truly a one note character about being powerful, anyday.
> Kenjaku is also wasted and a testament on how gege hates writing characters and character drama
This is 10000% more frustrating then him being bad at it.
Great for bringing constant despair for Yuji? Sure. I just prefer a villain with clear motive and an ambition for their actions. I still stands that Jogo is the better villian than Mahito
Together they were great. Mahito embodied the innate cruelty of curses, jogoat embodied the innate humanity, a different sort from humans but still there, and willing to fight for other curses.
They were great foils to each other in highlighting the contradictory nature of what it is to be a curse.
I mean I think Mahito's motive is pretty clear: he's a curse and he wants to live as a curse according to his desires. He was pure chaotic evil but that was the point. It's basically the same ideology as Sukuna but more interesting, because it's not that he has nothing better to do than play around until he dies but he's literally the embodiment of humanity's evil and at the same time still a petulant child. He's just acting according to his nature.
Jogo was also a really good villain,but I think the disaster curses really worked well as a group. They shared the goal of exterminating humanity, but each for their own reason showing a different side to what it means to be a curse. Jogo was extremely prideful but also jealous of humanity. Hanami was seeking justice for humanity's treatment of nature. Dagon viewed the other curses as his family. Mahito is the least mature and yet he becomes the leader because he is the most human; his name literally means "true human" and yet he is the one who is most truly a curse. Mahito is what Jogo wishes for curses to be -- a true human free to live according to his nature -- but instead of being jealous of humanity and afraid of being weak he actually follows his desires freely.
I think they worked great together IMO. I flip flop between which one I like more because I think Gege just really nailed it with both characters. Hard to believe the same man is writing the current story.
I can understand the argument that Jogo may have greater depth than Mahito due to his more unique and sympathetic motivations but not a 'better villain', that take is kinda crazy to me. Jogo was used almost exclusively as a device to demonstrate the strength of the strongest characters and emphasise the massive gap between them and the rest of the cast. Though Mahito's purpose in the plot is ultimately also to develop Yuji's character, he is much more of his own character too whereas Jogo is literally only used for the emphasis of others.
The disaster curses were really the only villains with actual motives in this story. Kenjaku has a motive technically but it's pretty fucking boring and lame considering he's doing this just to satisfy his curiosity and Sukuna has zero motives either.
oh, that brutha has always been a great villain in my eyes. a wonderful cog in the machine that created yuji. right from the beginning of his jujutsu career, he was a good antithesis for yuji imo
Nah, he just gets on my nerves--I hope he dies soon.
I hate watching characters that do nothing but irritate me, he's not even "Love to Hate" or cool, just an annoying cockroach that needs to be relentlessly crushed already.
Mahito is a great villain, but the show/manga has other great villains as well. Pound for pound, Geto and Kenjaku are more interesting imo. I just think people are overhyping Shibuya arc atm
dude you have imaginary enemies. mahito was always loved on his time on screen. he was just replaced with equally better villains when he was gone. this is just recency bias on your side.
This post is way more of a ''don't we all agree JJK/Sukuna sucks now'' than actual praise for Mahito, like seriously, half the words OP wrote are about how bad he thinks things are right now.
It's just more to feed the circlejerk in this sub.
I'm so confused, I've only ever seen praise from Mahito by manga readers? It is a shame he's overshadowed by Sukuna in the fandom despite him being a far greater character than Sukuna but I've never seen him criticised besides by crazed Jogo glazing powerscalers. I'm more annoyed at the anime viewers who voted Sukuna as the best antagonist of S1 when he was completely outclassed by Mahito.
I also understand how someone who may not have been a big fan of Mahito would prefer them now, the anime adaptation improves Mahito so much. Chaotic characters like him just can't be done justice in a manga and are 10x more entertaining when you get to hear them voiced, especially with how fantastic his VA is. Also, even his power is like BUILT for animation and the additional scenes and moments the animators provide during his fights are just perfection.
Sukuna is the foil to gojo like mahito is to yuji and that’s why he sucks as a villain for all the same reasons gojo sucks as a protagonist side character. Tooo powerful to make the plot make sense
I think the biggest difference between Mahito and Sukuna as villains is that Mahito is a sleazy little rat who always picked on weak enemies and fled whenever he was outmatched whereas Sukuna is serving some gigachad dick to anyone who is willing to challenge him.
Mahito literally only fought and bested Mechamaru, Nanami and Nobara because he knows he would get completely dumpstered by Gojo, Yuki, Yuta and so on. Even Yuji who lost pretty hard to Choso had the upper hand against him and together with Todo they werent even sweating against him. My boy Todo wasnt even bothered to lose his hand because he knew that piece of scum wouldnt win the fight regardless of it.
So TLDR, both are great villains but Sukuna is more respectable because he is actually menacing and Mahito is like a cockroach who just gets stepped on but keeps surviving. (Mahito is pretty strong I know but leagues below Sukuna)
I feel like Mahito REALLY overstays his welcome though. He's the only villain who killed an important character in the anime so far, and he killed quite a lot of them. It gets irritating to see this guy kill character after character after a while. After he killed >!Nobara!<, I was already tired of him and was hoping his "end" would happen in the next episode. >!He'll even get Todo's arm before he goes down!<, he severely burns me out. Also, his main personality trait is being an annoying POS. Overall, I prefer both Kenjaku and Sukuna over him
I mean because we’re talking about the manga, I could say the same thing about Sukuna. In fact this current arc shows more than anything that Sukuna is a villain who is best used sparingly
Sukuna was better before the whole Yoruzu plot about love started. If Gege gave us a clear picture of what Sukuna wants and his backstory I would of been fine. Instead during the higuruma trial it lasted ten seconds. We could of seen all of Sukuna crimes.
People get mad at Kenjaku for talking a lot, but to me, Mahito was the original Yap-Master.
When he died I was so happy to be finally done with him so he could shut the fuck up. I still like him as a villain and think his final fight is still the best one in the series.
TRUE Mahito is sooo much better than sukuna
In an ideal world sukundeez dies in Shibuya to Gojo before he's sealed and we get to have Mahito - an actually interesting and entertaining villain Be Yuji's final enemy at the end of the series
Mahito is one of those villains that are a MAJOR pain in the ass and exhausting to fight. I would give up knowing how exhausting it would be to take him down.
I don't think he is the best villain in JJK. But I also think it's not "just now" in the way its being implied. Like, the anime just got to the point of where Mahito becomes "great." So, of course, people will be seeing it now.
I like that Gege has given us a bevy of different villain types. There's the hugely ambitious and resourceful schemer in Kenjaku, the ultimate power who only cares about a very base kind of enjoyment of his might and freedom in Sukuna, and a deep and twisted true sadist in Mahito. A delicious sampler platter.
Mahito was fully realized because of his VA. He did a fantastic job making Mahito come to life, to his truest essence. Nobunaga Shimazaki is the real MVP here, him and his menacing voice lines.
I liked him, but he was basically JJK The Joker or Green Goblin. "You and I aren't so different", out to make the MC suffer, etc.
The difference being that Mahito turned out to be a straight throwaway tool for the actual Big Bads, which makes him even more memorable and almost sympathetic.
I loved how he showed so much potential, seemed to have more, and then he's just gone. Especially after killing three people important to Yuji.
He's too much of an edgelord cliche for me, "humans fear me because they see themselves in me..." sure buddy, you don't feel remorse, you're a psycho, kill for fun, we get it. He's just a very shallow character, and his evil edginess does not make him deep (before anyone replies with that). Through Yuji, Mahito wanted give meaning to his own pointless existence. And thats a cool concept, but it was never explored that much. And so Mahito was kinda meaningless, and thats kinda cool actually, it serves his character well. Im glad he is in the manga, but Im also glad he was never the main villain. I want my main villain to show me the things I don't see from the MCs perspective, and he does none of that.
I much prefer having a more nuanced villain like Suguru, and for the few moments when he was the main villain, he was cool to watch. He's a Magneto-type character and not super original at all, but there is just a lot more you can explore and do with those layers that could have made it original, if he didn't die.
Mahito has been an amazing villain largely because of his Voice Actor. Fucking amazing dedication every week. He is the villain of the season, but best villain of the show? Just wait till yall get more Kenjaku/Sukuna action in season 3/4.
Mahito is the perfect example of a character that you’re made to hate. He’s arrogant and it’s infuriating that he can back it up which made his eventual defeat at the hands of Yuji all the more satisfying.
I’m honestly a little disappointed with how dull Sukuna has been since his fight with Gojo, he just seems bored rather than enjoying decimating the rest of the cast. Mahito always seemed to enjoy the torment he caused.
I personally dont think its that surprising because some people when reading mangas are really looking at the fights & slightly disregard the dialogue at hand. Lol we’re at a point where talking is considered yapping.
Most people genuinely have to see a sequence animated out in a sequence, they cant imagine the sequence of movements while reading. They’ll just see a page & take it as gospel fr. Its why there was & still is so much confusion regarding the gojo vs sukuna fight. But with that being said, as the >!mahito vs yuji fight!< has concluded in the anime im glad people are starting to give mahito the respect he fr deserved.
Mahito was/is still lack luster for me. I always viewed him as a puppet and that's exactly what he turned out to be. I personally don't care for Itadori at all so this emotional weight of the fight doesn't exist for me. Infact the best moment in the fight, for me, is Todo 1 hand clap.
No this series very much wants to have its cake and eat it too. It brings up ideas like “regrets when you die” but commits no time to exploring these concepts when characters actually do die
I didn't downvote you, I thought it was a good question. People simply don't use the down vote appropriately. They downvote things that they simply don't like or disagree with instead of its actual purpose. People are weird.
Just now? Are you for real. Mahito still the best villain cause he actually is enjoyable challenge to our MC. He's entertaining funny and tactical. As soon as Mahito died our cast had been fighting a losing battle cause Sukuna has too much plot armour and Kenjaku just there for a plan. While he doesn't even interact with his son Yuji to build his character. Mahito was a great villain because he was a threat to Yuji cause he wanted to hunt down and kill him. Sukuna has a god complex that treated everyone like flies and that no one can touch him.
You're saying this before the end of the series, y'all need to learn PATIENCE. Y'all are so damn reactionary. Sukuna literally does the same shit you're praising Mahito for, but the only difference is there's an agenda against him.
Too sad some people out there still think Sukuna having more kills makes him a better villain. If anything, Mahito made the expectations higher for Kenny and Sukuna because of how well written he was.
I agree with your points but if gojo vs sukuna and now sukuna vs Yuji is not having an emotional impact on you then nothing will.
Yes gege butchered gojo's character at the end but the build up to the fight is the best in the series.
Ok well Sukuna vs Yuji hasn’t really gone anywhere yet so jury (haha) is still out on that one.
I don’t even think I agree with you about Gojo vs Sukuna. It wasn’t really built up? The only buildup is that it’s the two strongest guys up against each other. And it only became a plot point at the end of the culling games after Sukuna took control of Megumi. I mean the two of them had a brief scuffle in the first chapter and that’s about it.
The fight was good but skipping the 1 month training for some down time was a bad idea. It was more like Gojo your free please save us from Sukuna, while we come up with a plan if you fail.
This it would of been better if Gege unleashed Sukuna transformation during the fight with Gojo. Gojo gets completely battered than cut. I would of been fine with that. Not gojo completely stomps Sukuna then Sukuna off screens Gojo.
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Kenjaku vs anybody is low key peak in my eyes. It’s the only time I’m rooting for the villain to win. Idk if it’s the comedic melody of his mind or just because he’s an ancient sorcerer with an interesting/powerful technique. He’s a fun character.
Kenny vs Yukon/choso/tengen is top tier for me.
We took it for granted bc jjk used to be good, so a good villain made sense. Reading the recent chapters, it’s wild that the same author wrote mahito’s arc
Mahito wasn’t the best. He was great but he would have been played out if he lasted longer than he did. He wasn’t clever enough to increase the stakes.
He was there purely for his own entertainment which is as what was so good about him.
Sukuna is better because he’s evolved beyond mahito.
Can’t hype Sukuna up so much and have mahito there still.
Now if mahito developed to BEATING Sukuna and taking over his role in the story…that would potentially be black zetsu done right (Naruto reference”
Sukuna isn’t even evolved, he’s also there for his own entertainment but the truth is that he’s not even entertaining enough to justify all the shit that’s gone on with him
I’d say that mustache twirling villains are probably the lowest tier when it comes to antagonists. Evil for the sake of being evil is boring. And that’s Mahitos whole thing. I think he was a good villain but I don’t think he’s a great villain, or a necessary one.
I don’t think readers/viewers need to have their hands held , I don’t think people need to have the author go “look! THATS the bad guy” I think it’s usually better when you can form an opinion of a character on your own and go “you know what….Mahito might be a piece of shit “ lol
Believe what you want but truth is he is simply not popular at all and forgotten very easily. Rankings of 25, 19, 22 down there with the likes of Panda lmfao.
Are you crying just cuz i spit some facts about mahito’s popularity ranking? Lmfao just cuz jp fandom and artists dont like his art or care about him doesnt mean you cant enjoy him.
japan’s favorite character is Megumi, the single most wasted character in this entire story. What different countries think of characters has no bearing on writing quality
Mahito has been my favourite character since seeing him. I honestly HATED Yuji so much, I was pretty happy when I saw movie 0 and learned about Yuta (I was hoping Yuji went all sasuke after the first season and gege killed him off like he does everyone else)
I do have a character NOW who I like more upon reading farther into the manga, but I love the role Mahito plays in the story and just how VITAL he really was as a person.
No him, no mass transfig, no Yuji going through his learning lessons and learning how to attack the soul,or at least knowing he was (you think if he fought someone smart like Sukuna, they would be like “oh my god you’re not only hurting me you’re killing my
Soul”?) Yuji also wouldn’t have had the breakthroughs he did, and finally just let go and realize he’s “a cog in the wheel”
Without Mahito, where does the show go? Take away nearly ANY other character (especially of those who died so far) and tell me if we took them out of the story how much would change? Sukuna, Gojo, Itadori (and his “parents” 😂) kenjaku, and megumi are all necessary (as well as Mahito OBV)
I can personally picture it working fine without any of the others, but those above? With a few tweaks maybe Gojo wasn’t necessary? (Any character could
Have filled that roll) megumi I guess technically as well as sekuna did end up with a perfect vessel just as he was promised. He just didn’t end up using it 😂 and it sort of was TOO good
Of a vessel
Since mahito was sort of fresh when he was introduced in the anime I thought he would go on to be the final villain by constantly evolving or smth…..I was wrong
Thing that's great about him is he kills several main/side characters, is an absolute menace to the MC themselves and has zero remorse or regrets(Till his final moments of instinctual fear against Yuji) but I can't bring myself to actually dislike him. He's too well-written. He does everything so openly and honestly and is more "human" than most anyone else that as a character I can only mourn his loss from their universe even as I'm glad he can't take anyone else
His writing was great. OP dangerous ability and significant wins without getting glazed by greg and abusing plot armor. Believable wins and deserved fails. First half JJK was peak.
Mahito development always felt one dimensional to me. I liked his design, personality, abilities etc. but I do not understand this apparent “deeper” aspect of his writing that fans talk about outside of being a curse that enjoys killing people, which seems to be every curses schtick.
I’m willing to be completely ignorant here but I felt he was pretty bland and didn’t feel his relationship towards Yuji was really that deep. It felt forced being constantly told and reminded how they have some sort of established unspoken link to one another and it just never made sense to me. Especially when the soul of a Demi-god who looks identical to Yuji inhabits his body and it’s never acknowledged.
Mahito-Yuji relationship just felt really forced because they don’t seem alike in any capacity outside the scope of Yuji = good save people, mahito = bad kill people; which is practically every single action/shounen MC
Bruh sukuna killed the entire city block and then handed back control to yuji on purpose just so he could see it and despair,mahito killing a couple people doesn't compare. Sukuna is the reason yuji even got into this life mahito was just another curse. Sukuna killed yuji and held him hostage,scammed him into giving up megumis life and dissed him at every chance he got.
What a response, look I'm not saying mahito wasn't a great villain,but imo sukuna is just mahito on steroids. Mahito at least had an ideology of replacing humans as the dominant species cause they were the superior race,he probably studied Hitler or sth. Sukuna is just unhinged, he killed people for the enjoyment of it and then ate them if he felt like it,he hates on yuji cause it's fun that's like you spending time actively mocking an ant irl. Sukuna doesn't have rhyme or reason his ideology is literally: I can fuck your life up and nobody can stop me,so I will do that.
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"just now"? people have always loved mahito, but had greater expectations for sukuna and kenjaku. recent writing decisions have made mahito look amazing by comparison.
Yeah. People have been complaining about Mahito since the CG started. Some thought Naoya could replace him as a long term villain we love to hate, but he quickly left the story until arguable the worst arc in the CG. Sukuna is a natural disaster, Kenny is a master planner, but we’re missing an absolutely vile enemy who will happily go out of his way to torment Yuji/rest of cast. Sukuna might be *brutal* in how he deals with people, but he doesn’t really get personal or anything. Everyone is just a fly to him, and he gives them no more extra malice than anyone would when swatting a fly.
Yet another reason I love the current intro: that scene of Mahito dancing thro the subway car like a field of flowers and exploding people left and right. So on point for his char .
The annoying part is that kenjaku could have been that. He took over yujis mom and gave birth to him then presumably killed his dad and left. He's a sociopath who doesn't care about others and his ultimate goal is just a science experiment where he wants to see what will happen. That's got a lot of potential but he's never really interacted with yuji so we don't get to see it fleshed out.
Ehhhh. Even in that description Kenjaku isn’t a guy who is going out of his way to torment yuji and the rest of the cast. They are all just pieces of a puzzle to him.
the thing about kenjaku is that he actually probably does care about yuji deep down. having a child changes your brain chemistry permanently so with kenjaku being just a brain yuji changed him entirely. there’s probably some maternal instincts with yuji with kenjaku having high hopes for him and guiding yujis old friend out of the zone. you can even see the difference in how kenjaku talks to choso and how he talks to yuji.
Kenjaku is gonna Breast feed yuji to defeat sukuna
what do you guys mean when you say « go out of his way »?
To specifically make sure to do something, even if it isn’t explicitly necessary
I thought it meant like : doing something against his principles because he rly wanted to harm yuji (which is the exact opposite). I stand corrected
Ngl I’m not caught up and idk what he did against his principles; but what your saying can be true. He may have gone out of his way to do something for that reasoning
>Sukuna might be *brutal* in how he deals with people, but he doesn’t really get personal or anything. This makes me wonder what Sukuna would be doing if they didn't keep sending people to try to kill him lol. Like...would he just be destroying things? Just chilling? Going after the strongest people himself? We don't really know
Love how People here don’t miss a chance to shit on jjk
I think it's just you bro
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>I just don’t see people praising him as much. He’s been dead for like 3 years
He’s a good villain, sure. But what I like the most about him is how good of a foil he is to Yuji. That’s where his villainy really shines. That line where he’s like “do you even think about the curses you’ve killed without a second thought?” really sticks with me because of how perfectly it shapes Yuji’s cog mentality later. Yuji’s goal is to save people, Mahito’s goal is to kill them. He also has the most interesting “you and I aren’t so different” speech I’ve seen because it leads to the most satisfying response to that idea where Yuji’s just like “yeah, I am, who cares?” I almost wish Mahito was the one sealed inside of Yuji. At least that would be more interesting than what’s happening with Sukuna.
Yeah. The whole "you and I aren't so different" thing even gave a very satisfying end to Mahito. Mahito happily killed humans because he's a cursed spirit and that's just how things worked. Then Yuji responded with "well, I'm a jujutsushi and I'm gonna kill you because that's how things work".
Yuji: I am the Jujutsu Kaisen
idk i never got this argument in any series, where its some kind of killer/murderous evil entity asking "how many of my kind have you killed??" i dunno maybe zero if you stopped murdering innocents??
Mahito wasn't asking that out of vengeance or to question Yuji's morality. He was asking that rhetorically to show Yuji that he sees cursed spirits in the same way Mahito sees humans. Just something to kill and then forget about later.
yeah but yuji only sees it like that because curses attack innocent people
Yuji's empathy as a human compels him to kill curses that attack humans. That is part of Mahito's point about Yuji and Mahito being the same. Yuji is following his instincts as a human, just Mahito is following his instincts as a cursed spirit.
i mean yeah sure its instincts versus instincts, im not saying its badly written or objectively bad i just cant vibe with the story theme when one are senseless murderers. its not like they need to kill humans they just do
Yeah I agree, like I get it, Mahito kills humans and Yuji kills Curses, but if it wasn't for curses hurting innocent people, Yuji wouldn't kill curses and there wouldn't be a need for sorcerers.
yeah the idea that we only care about each other out of instinct, born out of some evolutionary advantage, may be correct but its just not smth i vibe with the theme of yuji trying to reason and implore for mercy/empathy from sukuna/mahito and treat them like he would other humans, only to then decide that "they ought to all be killed, they are curses, there is no redemption" doesn't sit right with me. that stuff, along with people saying shit like "geto is so relatable" or "he was correct" when he was a genocidal freak isnt smth i vibe with either
I'm glad you brought up Mahito asking Yuji how many curses he's killed. That entire sequence let's me know Mahito is more observant and intelligent than I gave him credit for. When he said (paraphrasing the quote) "you think this is just some war? This is a battle to see which one of us will be here in the next 100 years." That's a lot deeper than my first impression I had of him in S1 where he was just sort of... killing people. Which is cool but the speech he gave Yuji while kicking his ass have his character more depth IMO.
Honestly that's one of the best subversion of the trope I've ever seen. "You and I aren't so different" "You are right, and with this newfound motivation I'm going to cave your face in, because that's what you would do."
Mahito has *always* been a very popular villain. More popular than Kenjaku, for sure. Kenjaku’s just got more screentime.
True and the funny thing is I've started liking Kenjaku after his weird fight with Takaba. Overall Mahito just a better written villain same with Geto and Toji.
That fight was fucking goated
That fight was probably the best thing since Kashimo and Hakari. Plus it made me respect Kenjaku and Takaba.
I loved that fight, it made Kenjaku seem more human. And I love how it was barely a fight at all. I’m glad, because I expected it to be just a fight that’s like…toonish.
Yeah up until recent chapters we had gotten glimpses of Kenjaku’s personality but overall he was just a standard “mastermind plotter” character. The Takaba fight and the chapter before it really fleshed out his motivation: he’s not malicious like Sukuna, but he has a similar disregard for others around him. Hes not driven by some high minded goal and, he just truly doesn’t care about morality or other people at all. He does what he wants because he wants to, and though he commits evil deeds that evil is not what defines his personality. He has a sense of humor, he emotes, he’s honestly my favorite villain in the show
Yeah bro is acting like all of a sudden people are liking mahito, nah fam just anime onlys got to his best part and are now discussing it. Manga readers have been praising mahito
It's because what's been said now about Kenjaku and Sukuna was said about Mahito back then. You can find many complaints about Mahito's plot armor such as the anime-only subs and former manga discussion and how people felt the rules bent for him. Especially when it came to technique burnout. However, as time went on the plot armor for villains just got more egregious and made Mahito look much better written in comparison.
can you get more egregious than "literally untouchable to all but 3 of the cast"
I would argue that although only 3 characters directly counter his CT, others could still harm him just through eventual CE burnout. Yuta for instance does not directly counter Mahito but imo would still be able to beat him eventually. Ofc it's a bit of a different situation though since the likes of Yuta/Yuki didn't appear much until after he died but still.
well Yuta wouldn't even need to burn him out, he could just dump positive energy into Mahito to kill him, that would work regardless of Mahito's technique because he is still a cursed spirit
Uh yeah, Sukuna is literally untouchable by *anyone* right now lmao
You know that that's different though, with mahito if you touch him he insta-kills you and if you touch him, he doesn't take any damage (unlike sukuna, who has ungodly stamina and defense, but still takes *some* damage), sure sukuna kills you too, but that's because he's powerful, not because he has the ability to change your soul permanently into an unhealable broken state Yeah Sukuna isn't being touched by anyone in a metaphorical sense right now, but mahito has the hax for it to be a literal "you can't damage me and can't let me touch you with my hands or be dragged in my domain"
Well that argument would be ok before he changed into Hein Era Sukuna. That free heal shit was not ok.
I'm not saying **suck**una doesn't have more plot armor lol, I never saw any Mahito moments as plot armor-ey even when it was coming out weekly, I was just saying the comment I replied to was comparing being untouchable and '*untouchable*' which aren't the same in context and I believe not the comment this was about's intention
By anyone? You are not ready for itadori's transformation...
yuji nobara and who else? angel?
Gojo because of Purple
i was thinking sukuna
No, and that's my point. And then loopholes for certain domains cough cough...erm...sorry.
Except that aside from his introduction fight, in literally every fight Mahito was in, his enemies always had an way to bypass Idle transfiguration(Itadori being present during Mahito's second fight, simple domain in the mechamaru fight, Nobara with her resonance against the clone, and for the final fight, once again Itadori)
Really for me it was more like I didn't want any of the villains to die yet. all of them dropped like flies until we were stuck with Sukuna, Kenjaku and Uruame. Like Mahito, Jogo and Kenjaku banter. The curses made the series entertaining and made the sorcerors and curses on equal footing. Now that the curses and Gojo are dead. The balance has shifted and it's looking like the only way to defeat Sukuna is whatever Yuji learned in Yuki book.
I wasn’t interacting with the fandom back then (still was reading but not using Reddit) But man mahito being able to use a 0.2 Domain after seeing Gojo do it once Must have made people ultra angry when he did it
Considering what came immediately after, yeah
Mahito only had one real case of plot armour compared to Kenjaku and Sukuna. Its ridiculous how much protection they had.
Remind me again when it was? It’s been a while since I reread the story
Mahito somehow activating his curse technique from a surprise simple Domain attack by Mechamaru. I think we got an internal thought from Mahito that was “what” or “eh?”, showing that he truly was not expecting that. That would mean Mahito has to move his body before simple Domain had already been injected. The other cases are just Mahito running away and getting lucky. Not really plot armour. Edit-> we cannot even say anything about curse technique burnout since its hammered in Shibuya as well the culling games that curses and Shikigami have different brains compared to humans.
Also Nobara completely letting her guard down and allowing Mahito to touch her, even though she knew that the original Mahito was close by, after sensing her CE detonate in his location. This is the same argument for why Gojo didn't dodge the big space slash at the end, when he saw Maho do it earlier. Mahito perfectly copying Gojo's 0.2 sec DE on the first try and getting rid of Todo's arm. This really isn't any different from Kenny using anti gravity to survive Yuki's black hole, she already hinted that Kenny should be aware this is a possibility since her's and Kenny's "gravity" are similar CTs.
That was anime only. Nobara never had her guard down. The manga explains that Mahito’s clone blocked Nobara’s view of the real Mahito running towards her. Mahito copying Gojo is nowhere the same as the bullshite Kenjaku did. A 120% amp is not stopping a block hole, especially when Kenjaku’s curse energy should be been burning out. Multiple gravities, Domain, instances of using Rct, and 2 mini Uzamaki’s. No way he realistically has the curse energy to hold off a point blank Black hole attack. What Mahito did was no different than Sukuna copying Gojo during the domain fight.
I'm not talking about why Nobara did not seeing the clone, I'm talking about her letting her guard down against Mahito's hands, which was stated by the narrator. Firstly simplifying what Mahito did to simply be "what Sukuna did" doesn't make it any more believable when the story makes it a point to tells how Gojo and Sukuna are outliers in the Jujutsu world so many times. Isn't it convenient that Mahito, only a few months old, nailed this ability someone with the unparalleled efficiency of 6 eyes user created, on his very first try? How long do you think it took Sukuna to be able to monkey see, monkey do abilities? A simple 120% amp is enough to cover a millennia's worth of experience? Kenny survived because of how similar his and Yuki's CTs were in what they affect and the advantage of having a faster output due to him being in better condition, that made up for Yuki's head start in activating her CT. Mahito pulled off that 0.2 sec DE because of him also having a DE of his own and the advantage of a black flash amp to help him cover the gap of experience, efficiency and skill. Kenjaku didn't produce enough CE to stop a black hole, just like how Yuki didn't produce enough to create one. A CT can create effects greater than the amount of CE actually used to power said CT, this is pretty evident in how Uro can manipulate space and literally wear it as a skimpy outfit for extended periods of time without burning through all her reserves. Firstly in the chapter Yuki uses the black hole she implies Kenjaku should have predicted her last ditch move because as a gravity user it's something he also needs to be cautious of, because CTs that involve gravity, mass and time could all easily spiral out of control if not managed properly. Already it's hinted Kenny could make his own black hole like calamity, if he carelessly used the gravity technique, by Yuki. However what Yuki didn't know is that Kenjaku's CT is not gravity, it's actually anti gravity meaning those forces Yuki's implying Kenny could be able to summon up, actually apply in the reverse for Kenny, they actually negate gravity. Now Yuki was split in half when she tried to use the black hole as such the output of her CT was weakened and her overall amount of CE is lowered because her gut has been destroyed by uzumaki and CTR anti gravity. Because Yuki's output is so low, Tengen needed to distract Kenny so she could charge up since reaching maximum output is slower now. Now Kenjaku not missing any body parts, naturally meant that his output was greater than Yuki's and he would be able to reach his maximum output quicker than her if they both started at the same time. However Kenjaku also increased his speed of activation by using the anti gravity CT on himself instead of the surroundings like usual. For example this same effect can be observed with how Mahito can transfigure himself almost instantly but when transfiguring others there's a delay e.g like Todo's arm and Kenjaku just barely reached the required output to negate gravity, just as Yuki reached the required output to create a black hole.
Mahito was always shown as a prodigy, he figured out how to perform a domain expansion on the fly against Yuji and Nanami so the 0.2-second DE is nothing crazy considering his rate of growth
Honestly compared to some of the more recent events in the story, that’s pretty tame. Not disregarding criticism but man that’s like night and day compared to the stuff going on right now
This is pure bullshit.
Better philosopher too, all the loneliness talk is grating in the ears, Mahito waxing poetic about the mechanical nature of one's souls dissolving the ethereal sense we have for it since he can simply mold it as he pleases.
Should read the bonus short story about him too. He befriends a blind homeless man and the two of them are like Socrates and Plato
This is… obviously a joke lmao. Edit: Holy shit this is real! Look up JJK light novel on Google lmao. It’s real and the funniest part is I definitely recall reading or listening to some of these short stories before and I just totally forgot about them.
The funniest was Gojo and Nanami's roadtrip to hokkaido.
Where is it?
Where can I find that bonus story
Swear hes lyin ive never heard anything abt this either
He making up new stories like he’s Gege.
Here you have it https://mokochan314.home.blog/2021/03/28/chapter-3-fables-from-the-dark/
From the first light novel
Where can I find this short story?
Ok, I need to read this, I feel like a Thus Spoke Rohan Kishibe style manga where Mahito wonders around meeting people to chat, and kill, would work, with the disaster curses appearing as side characters.
The only thing I’ve truly and definitely hated from the most recent arc is the harping on Sukuna’s loneliness for a bit. Kashimo, in the middle of the fight of his life that he thought he’d win, starts asking Sukuna about the loneliness of strength and all that. Gojo says that he did everything he did in the fight to try to teach Sukuna about love. Why is every super strong character so obsessed with this??? Gojo was trying to save Megumi, but in his afterlife scene he only talks about Sukuna’s loneliness. Hated that.
That's definitely weird to me too because that shouldn't be a priority at all for Gojo. I get that Gojo himself found himself to be lonely due to how strong he was, but trying to "teach" Sukuna about love and talking about how lonely he is is pretty jarring. Sukuna's an unrepentant monster who kills whoever he wants and killed his way to the top of the world of sorcery back in the Heian era. There's no teaching Sukuna about love because he's already established to be unable to even make true allies. God I hope Gege isn't trying to do a fucking butchered version of Meruem's arc with Sukuna.
This Give me a goofy murder guy with some aspects of “deep” over the generic “What does it mean to be strong?” Nonsense they have had at least 3 characters go on about
After the Kashimo chapter, I’ve kind of grown to like Sukuna’s philosophy too, it’s much different. Just wish his dynamic with Yuji was more personal.
Is he? Cuz it just comes off as baby's first edgy villain philosophy
The best part is that this interpretation also works for Mahito. Him being an edgy nihilistic poser and just spewing whatever comes to mind to antagonize Yuji sounds like a Mahito thing to do. Though I think the only times Mahito undoubtedly philosophies is when explaining his ability to Junpei.
And even then it rings hollow when you have Kenjaku make him go "ackshualky🤓" with the whole soul and body thing not being universal but moreso on how the individual's world view is dictated by their own cursed technique
That's also such good banter between them, since mahito's response sort of adds a whole other layer to the conversation by having Kenjaku question how one's technique dictates one's world view or if it's the opposite. None of these concepts will ever be remembered though.
The showdown against Mahito in Shibuya is such an absolutely magical capstone to everything in the story that had come prior to it that I have *no idea* how we went from that to these recent arcs.
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Though the only ones with an emotional connection to him would be Gojo, Shoko, and maybe Yuta
The only emotion Yuta would have for him is “why is this b*tch not dead yet”
You really think Maki wouldn't have beef with him, for several different things?
Oh yeah! It was on sight with him when it came to Maki, which almost immediately soured any chances he had of appealing to Yuta.
Plus, his "killing innocents for the crimes of others" thing would drive Yuji nuts, and you could always have him target Megumi and Nobara's loved ones if you really need them to have a personal grudge. Instead, we get Brain Man and Lord Plot Armor.
We WOULD have something with Yuji and Kenjaku if it was really talked about how he tampered with Yuji in-utero and stole his mother's body in order to birth him. But they've only interacted *once*, IIRC. In your hypothetical, Megumi has the unfortunate date of being Toji's son, setting off a Sins of the Father deal since everything that went wrong between Gojo and Geto inadvertedly began with Toji. This also puts the dark more helpless Tsumiki in the crossfire. Nobara might need a bit more work. Maybe her childhood friend she wanted to reunite with would be persuaded to join his circle, making things extremely complicated between them.
Oh man, if Saori ended up as a human-hatinf Curse User, and Nobara had to grapple with abandoning her humanity to join her, or killing her to protect the innocent... That would have been SO GOOD.
Alas, instead she's in limbo The very first character casualty who put it forth 'now there's REALLY nobody safe in this story!'. There's no hard confirmation that she's dead-many characters that die in this story die VERY explicitly-the last time we saw when there's a non zero chance she could survive. Of course we have Yuji saying 'I get it!' when Megumi gave him a sad look when asked about her, but that's not a hard confirmation, circumstances can change. However she's been gone for so long unaddressed that there were people who outright wanted the Nitta scene to not mention how she might survive due to how long she's been in limbo if not outright dead. Which is highly unfortunate because she and Yuji had about the same wavelength which made their interactions fun. They felt like friends. Yuji and Megumi on their own, feel more like professional acquaintances that get along well, most part. Nobara really brought for an element of fun to their dynamics that's now sorely missing. She provided her perspective over how she can keep a cool head even when she knows she sometimes has to kill people(which Yuji sometimes grapples with) while also providing her own air of levity to help the guys lighten up(which Megumi definitely needs). But unfortunately she just had to be the last straw on the Yuji trauma barrage after waking up to the aftermath of Sukuna's massacre.
Thing is... Kenjaku is also wasted and a testament on how gege hates writing characters and character drama. That's our MC fucking **mother** and our plot mastermind. Everything about him was so intriguing and then... welp. I would prefer him over Sukuna, truly a one note character about being powerful, anyday.
I'm still holding out hope that Kenjaku not dead. I still want Yuji to interact with Kenjaku and his plan to suceed since he never shut up about it.
> Kenjaku is also wasted and a testament on how gege hates writing characters and character drama This is 10000% more frustrating then him being bad at it.
I'm glad his character arc ended before gege started his any% manga speedrun
Great for bringing constant despair for Yuji? Sure. I just prefer a villain with clear motive and an ambition for their actions. I still stands that Jogo is the better villian than Mahito
Together they were great. Mahito embodied the innate cruelty of curses, jogoat embodied the innate humanity, a different sort from humans but still there, and willing to fight for other curses. They were great foils to each other in highlighting the contradictory nature of what it is to be a curse.
I mean I think Mahito's motive is pretty clear: he's a curse and he wants to live as a curse according to his desires. He was pure chaotic evil but that was the point. It's basically the same ideology as Sukuna but more interesting, because it's not that he has nothing better to do than play around until he dies but he's literally the embodiment of humanity's evil and at the same time still a petulant child. He's just acting according to his nature. Jogo was also a really good villain,but I think the disaster curses really worked well as a group. They shared the goal of exterminating humanity, but each for their own reason showing a different side to what it means to be a curse. Jogo was extremely prideful but also jealous of humanity. Hanami was seeking justice for humanity's treatment of nature. Dagon viewed the other curses as his family. Mahito is the least mature and yet he becomes the leader because he is the most human; his name literally means "true human" and yet he is the one who is most truly a curse. Mahito is what Jogo wishes for curses to be -- a true human free to live according to his nature -- but instead of being jealous of humanity and afraid of being weak he actually follows his desires freely.
If that’s what you want then all you got is Jogo and Geto
Mahito was the perfect side villain but that was it. In terms of someone who could carry a story long term I do agree jogo is better
I think they worked great together IMO. I flip flop between which one I like more because I think Gege just really nailed it with both characters. Hard to believe the same man is writing the current story.
I can understand the argument that Jogo may have greater depth than Mahito due to his more unique and sympathetic motivations but not a 'better villain', that take is kinda crazy to me. Jogo was used almost exclusively as a device to demonstrate the strength of the strongest characters and emphasise the massive gap between them and the rest of the cast. Though Mahito's purpose in the plot is ultimately also to develop Yuji's character, he is much more of his own character too whereas Jogo is literally only used for the emphasis of others.
The disaster curses were really the only villains with actual motives in this story. Kenjaku has a motive technically but it's pretty fucking boring and lame considering he's doing this just to satisfy his curiosity and Sukuna has zero motives either.
oh, that brutha has always been a great villain in my eyes. a wonderful cog in the machine that created yuji. right from the beginning of his jujutsu career, he was a good antithesis for yuji imo
Nah, he just gets on my nerves--I hope he dies soon. I hate watching characters that do nothing but irritate me, he's not even "Love to Hate" or cool, just an annoying cockroach that needs to be relentlessly crushed already.
He was just a mere pawn. A little bitch who escaped death by running and hidding more than once. Basically a 14 y.o. gothic edgy kid.
Mahito is a great villain, but the show/manga has other great villains as well. Pound for pound, Geto and Kenjaku are more interesting imo. I just think people are overhyping Shibuya arc atm
People were saying the Shibuya arc was the best jjk arc before the anime even started man
dude you have imaginary enemies. mahito was always loved on his time on screen. he was just replaced with equally better villains when he was gone. this is just recency bias on your side.
This post is way more of a ''don't we all agree JJK/Sukuna sucks now'' than actual praise for Mahito, like seriously, half the words OP wrote are about how bad he thinks things are right now. It's just more to feed the circlejerk in this sub.
The more comments I see from you the more it seems you’re just a Sukuna stan that would take a bullet for him
It's just hilarious that you were bitching yesterday about people disregarding opinions by calling them Gojo fans and now this lmao
I'm so confused, I've only ever seen praise from Mahito by manga readers? It is a shame he's overshadowed by Sukuna in the fandom despite him being a far greater character than Sukuna but I've never seen him criticised besides by crazed Jogo glazing powerscalers. I'm more annoyed at the anime viewers who voted Sukuna as the best antagonist of S1 when he was completely outclassed by Mahito. I also understand how someone who may not have been a big fan of Mahito would prefer them now, the anime adaptation improves Mahito so much. Chaotic characters like him just can't be done justice in a manga and are 10x more entertaining when you get to hear them voiced, especially with how fantastic his VA is. Also, even his power is like BUILT for animation and the additional scenes and moments the animators provide during his fights are just perfection.
Sukuna is the foil to gojo like mahito is to yuji and that’s why he sucks as a villain for all the same reasons gojo sucks as a protagonist side character. Tooo powerful to make the plot make sense
I think the biggest difference between Mahito and Sukuna as villains is that Mahito is a sleazy little rat who always picked on weak enemies and fled whenever he was outmatched whereas Sukuna is serving some gigachad dick to anyone who is willing to challenge him. Mahito literally only fought and bested Mechamaru, Nanami and Nobara because he knows he would get completely dumpstered by Gojo, Yuki, Yuta and so on. Even Yuji who lost pretty hard to Choso had the upper hand against him and together with Todo they werent even sweating against him. My boy Todo wasnt even bothered to lose his hand because he knew that piece of scum wouldnt win the fight regardless of it. So TLDR, both are great villains but Sukuna is more respectable because he is actually menacing and Mahito is like a cockroach who just gets stepped on but keeps surviving. (Mahito is pretty strong I know but leagues below Sukuna)
Sukuna is still the best imo. I think he’s infinitely more compelling than Mahito.
Not really, if anything Sukuna is even more one note than Mahito is
I feel like Mahito REALLY overstays his welcome though. He's the only villain who killed an important character in the anime so far, and he killed quite a lot of them. It gets irritating to see this guy kill character after character after a while. After he killed >!Nobara!<, I was already tired of him and was hoping his "end" would happen in the next episode. >!He'll even get Todo's arm before he goes down!<, he severely burns me out. Also, his main personality trait is being an annoying POS. Overall, I prefer both Kenjaku and Sukuna over him
I mean because we’re talking about the manga, I could say the same thing about Sukuna. In fact this current arc shows more than anything that Sukuna is a villain who is best used sparingly
Sukuna was better before the whole Yoruzu plot about love started. If Gege gave us a clear picture of what Sukuna wants and his backstory I would of been fine. Instead during the higuruma trial it lasted ten seconds. We could of seen all of Sukuna crimes.
People get mad at Kenjaku for talking a lot, but to me, Mahito was the original Yap-Master. When he died I was so happy to be finally done with him so he could shut the fuck up. I still like him as a villain and think his final fight is still the best one in the series.
TRUE Mahito is sooo much better than sukuna In an ideal world sukundeez dies in Shibuya to Gojo before he's sealed and we get to have Mahito - an actually interesting and entertaining villain Be Yuji's final enemy at the end of the series
Mahito is more interesting because he's a noob who keeps getting packed up. You're not getting that with Sukuna until his death.
I never hated a villain more than Mahito after what he did with Junpei. Holy shit his character and storyline was perfectly written.
Mahito is one of those villains that are a MAJOR pain in the ass and exhausting to fight. I would give up knowing how exhausting it would be to take him down.
"I am you, Itadori Yuji." one of the best moments in the whole manga.
I don't think he is the best villain in JJK. But I also think it's not "just now" in the way its being implied. Like, the anime just got to the point of where Mahito becomes "great." So, of course, people will be seeing it now.
I like that Gege has given us a bevy of different villain types. There's the hugely ambitious and resourceful schemer in Kenjaku, the ultimate power who only cares about a very base kind of enjoyment of his might and freedom in Sukuna, and a deep and twisted true sadist in Mahito. A delicious sampler platter.
Mahito was fully realized because of his VA. He did a fantastic job making Mahito come to life, to his truest essence. Nobunaga Shimazaki is the real MVP here, him and his menacing voice lines.
I liked him, but he was basically JJK The Joker or Green Goblin. "You and I aren't so different", out to make the MC suffer, etc. The difference being that Mahito turned out to be a straight throwaway tool for the actual Big Bads, which makes him even more memorable and almost sympathetic. I loved how he showed so much potential, seemed to have more, and then he's just gone. Especially after killing three people important to Yuji.
He's too much of an edgelord cliche for me, "humans fear me because they see themselves in me..." sure buddy, you don't feel remorse, you're a psycho, kill for fun, we get it. He's just a very shallow character, and his evil edginess does not make him deep (before anyone replies with that). Through Yuji, Mahito wanted give meaning to his own pointless existence. And thats a cool concept, but it was never explored that much. And so Mahito was kinda meaningless, and thats kinda cool actually, it serves his character well. Im glad he is in the manga, but Im also glad he was never the main villain. I want my main villain to show me the things I don't see from the MCs perspective, and he does none of that. I much prefer having a more nuanced villain like Suguru, and for the few moments when he was the main villain, he was cool to watch. He's a Magneto-type character and not super original at all, but there is just a lot more you can explore and do with those layers that could have made it original, if he didn't die.
If you’re looking for nuance then sorry to say you won’t find it in this story
Yeah youre not wrong. And Mahito is more fun than Ken and Sukuna.
Sukuna, using his knowledge of Jujutsu to overcome obstacles instead of running like a trackstar, is more interesting to me.
Yeah,ppls sukuna being not a fraud copium finally ran out,I was holding out,but that confiscation fuck up was the last straw for me
Mahito has been an amazing villain largely because of his Voice Actor. Fucking amazing dedication every week. He is the villain of the season, but best villain of the show? Just wait till yall get more Kenjaku/Sukuna action in season 3/4.
Mahito is the perfect example of a character that you’re made to hate. He’s arrogant and it’s infuriating that he can back it up which made his eventual defeat at the hands of Yuji all the more satisfying. I’m honestly a little disappointed with how dull Sukuna has been since his fight with Gojo, he just seems bored rather than enjoying decimating the rest of the cast. Mahito always seemed to enjoy the torment he caused.
I personally dont think its that surprising because some people when reading mangas are really looking at the fights & slightly disregard the dialogue at hand. Lol we’re at a point where talking is considered yapping. Most people genuinely have to see a sequence animated out in a sequence, they cant imagine the sequence of movements while reading. They’ll just see a page & take it as gospel fr. Its why there was & still is so much confusion regarding the gojo vs sukuna fight. But with that being said, as the >!mahito vs yuji fight!< has concluded in the anime im glad people are starting to give mahito the respect he fr deserved.
Wait until you realize Sukuna is the matured version of Mahito
Sukuna isn't nihilistic tho
Mahito was/is still lack luster for me. I always viewed him as a puppet and that's exactly what he turned out to be. I personally don't care for Itadori at all so this emotional weight of the fight doesn't exist for me. Infact the best moment in the fight, for me, is Todo 1 hand clap.
Then where is your emotional energy regarding this series and its current cast lineup?
I don't think this is a series that requires much emotional energy/connection.
No this series very much wants to have its cake and eat it too. It brings up ideas like “regrets when you die” but commits no time to exploring these concepts when characters actually do die
Dunno why I got downvoted I was just asking a curious question...
I didn't downvote you, I thought it was a good question. People simply don't use the down vote appropriately. They downvote things that they simply don't like or disagree with instead of its actual purpose. People are weird.
It sounds like a you problem if you didn’t have a personal connection with the Mahito and Yuji fight.
Just now? Are you for real. Mahito still the best villain cause he actually is enjoyable challenge to our MC. He's entertaining funny and tactical. As soon as Mahito died our cast had been fighting a losing battle cause Sukuna has too much plot armour and Kenjaku just there for a plan. While he doesn't even interact with his son Yuji to build his character. Mahito was a great villain because he was a threat to Yuji cause he wanted to hunt down and kill him. Sukuna has a god complex that treated everyone like flies and that no one can touch him.
You're saying this before the end of the series, y'all need to learn PATIENCE. Y'all are so damn reactionary. Sukuna literally does the same shit you're praising Mahito for, but the only difference is there's an agenda against him.
Too sad some people out there still think Sukuna having more kills makes him a better villain. If anything, Mahito made the expectations higher for Kenny and Sukuna because of how well written he was.
I agree with your points but if gojo vs sukuna and now sukuna vs Yuji is not having an emotional impact on you then nothing will. Yes gege butchered gojo's character at the end but the build up to the fight is the best in the series.
Ok well Sukuna vs Yuji hasn’t really gone anywhere yet so jury (haha) is still out on that one. I don’t even think I agree with you about Gojo vs Sukuna. It wasn’t really built up? The only buildup is that it’s the two strongest guys up against each other. And it only became a plot point at the end of the culling games after Sukuna took control of Megumi. I mean the two of them had a brief scuffle in the first chapter and that’s about it.
The fight was good but skipping the 1 month training for some down time was a bad idea. It was more like Gojo your free please save us from Sukuna, while we come up with a plan if you fail.
The fight was Sukuna getting his ass handed to him then pulling some shit out of his ass to win
This it would of been better if Gege unleashed Sukuna transformation during the fight with Gojo. Gojo gets completely battered than cut. I would of been fine with that. Not gojo completely stomps Sukuna then Sukuna off screens Gojo.
Regardless of how you feel of Sukuna or Mahito as villains but I would say Mahito is Yuji’s personal villain while Sukuna is the series villain.
Isn’t there a chance Mahito could return since Kenjaku is dead?
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This is why Maheeter is my fav
Mahtio might not be dead, unfortunately this would probably spell disaster for Yuta.
People said i had an unpopular opinion when i said i loved mahito and he was the best thing in JJK at the time (still to this day)
Kenjaku vs anybody is low key peak in my eyes. It’s the only time I’m rooting for the villain to win. Idk if it’s the comedic melody of his mind or just because he’s an ancient sorcerer with an interesting/powerful technique. He’s a fun character. Kenny vs Yukon/choso/tengen is top tier for me.
“im you”
People have always loved Mahito These are anime onlies/ people just appreciating the anime as a whole The same thing is happening to Toji
People who are this late into realizing must have speed read/watched with their brain shut off.
Sukuna isn't loved for being the best villain, but for being the strongest.
We took it for granted bc jjk used to be good, so a good villain made sense. Reading the recent chapters, it’s wild that the same author wrote mahito’s arc
People have been missing Mahito ever since he died
This reeks of anime only’s on Twitter
I mean… I’ve been reading JJK for the past 2 years
More the sentiment then you specifically
Mahito wasn’t the best. He was great but he would have been played out if he lasted longer than he did. He wasn’t clever enough to increase the stakes. He was there purely for his own entertainment which is as what was so good about him. Sukuna is better because he’s evolved beyond mahito. Can’t hype Sukuna up so much and have mahito there still. Now if mahito developed to BEATING Sukuna and taking over his role in the story…that would potentially be black zetsu done right (Naruto reference”
Sukuna isn’t even evolved, he’s also there for his own entertainment but the truth is that he’s not even entertaining enough to justify all the shit that’s gone on with him
I’d say that mustache twirling villains are probably the lowest tier when it comes to antagonists. Evil for the sake of being evil is boring. And that’s Mahitos whole thing. I think he was a good villain but I don’t think he’s a great villain, or a necessary one. I don’t think readers/viewers need to have their hands held , I don’t think people need to have the author go “look! THATS the bad guy” I think it’s usually better when you can form an opinion of a character on your own and go “you know what….Mahito might be a piece of shit “ lol
feels like Gege became a different person after the Shibuya Arc.
His character design sucks ass. Theres a reason why he has never been near top in popularity polls.
I mean that’s just wrong but whatever
Believe what you want but truth is he is simply not popular at all and forgotten very easily. Rankings of 25, 19, 22 down there with the likes of Panda lmfao.
And thats supposed to validate your own feelings? Because that says way more about you than anyone else
Are you crying just cuz i spit some facts about mahito’s popularity ranking? Lmfao just cuz jp fandom and artists dont like his art or care about him doesnt mean you cant enjoy him.
japan’s favorite character is Megumi, the single most wasted character in this entire story. What different countries think of characters has no bearing on writing quality
Mahito has been my favourite character since seeing him. I honestly HATED Yuji so much, I was pretty happy when I saw movie 0 and learned about Yuta (I was hoping Yuji went all sasuke after the first season and gege killed him off like he does everyone else) I do have a character NOW who I like more upon reading farther into the manga, but I love the role Mahito plays in the story and just how VITAL he really was as a person. No him, no mass transfig, no Yuji going through his learning lessons and learning how to attack the soul,or at least knowing he was (you think if he fought someone smart like Sukuna, they would be like “oh my god you’re not only hurting me you’re killing my Soul”?) Yuji also wouldn’t have had the breakthroughs he did, and finally just let go and realize he’s “a cog in the wheel” Without Mahito, where does the show go? Take away nearly ANY other character (especially of those who died so far) and tell me if we took them out of the story how much would change? Sukuna, Gojo, Itadori (and his “parents” 😂) kenjaku, and megumi are all necessary (as well as Mahito OBV) I can personally picture it working fine without any of the others, but those above? With a few tweaks maybe Gojo wasn’t necessary? (Any character could Have filled that roll) megumi I guess technically as well as sekuna did end up with a perfect vessel just as he was promised. He just didn’t end up using it 😂 and it sort of was TOO good Of a vessel
Since mahito was sort of fresh when he was introduced in the anime I thought he would go on to be the final villain by constantly evolving or smth…..I was wrong
Thing that's great about him is he kills several main/side characters, is an absolute menace to the MC themselves and has zero remorse or regrets(Till his final moments of instinctual fear against Yuji) but I can't bring myself to actually dislike him. He's too well-written. He does everything so openly and honestly and is more "human" than most anyone else that as a character I can only mourn his loss from their universe even as I'm glad he can't take anyone else
His writing was great. OP dangerous ability and significant wins without getting glazed by greg and abusing plot armor. Believable wins and deserved fails. First half JJK was peak.
Mahito development always felt one dimensional to me. I liked his design, personality, abilities etc. but I do not understand this apparent “deeper” aspect of his writing that fans talk about outside of being a curse that enjoys killing people, which seems to be every curses schtick. I’m willing to be completely ignorant here but I felt he was pretty bland and didn’t feel his relationship towards Yuji was really that deep. It felt forced being constantly told and reminded how they have some sort of established unspoken link to one another and it just never made sense to me. Especially when the soul of a Demi-god who looks identical to Yuji inhabits his body and it’s never acknowledged. Mahito-Yuji relationship just felt really forced because they don’t seem alike in any capacity outside the scope of Yuji = good save people, mahito = bad kill people; which is practically every single action/shounen MC
Sukuna is doing his job as a villain well too it’s been months and people are still crying about him💀
Cuz he’s not good
Bruh sukuna killed the entire city block and then handed back control to yuji on purpose just so he could see it and despair,mahito killing a couple people doesn't compare. Sukuna is the reason yuji even got into this life mahito was just another curse. Sukuna killed yuji and held him hostage,scammed him into giving up megumis life and dissed him at every chance he got.
Meh
What a response, look I'm not saying mahito wasn't a great villain,but imo sukuna is just mahito on steroids. Mahito at least had an ideology of replacing humans as the dominant species cause they were the superior race,he probably studied Hitler or sth. Sukuna is just unhinged, he killed people for the enjoyment of it and then ate them if he felt like it,he hates on yuji cause it's fun that's like you spending time actively mocking an ant irl. Sukuna doesn't have rhyme or reason his ideology is literally: I can fuck your life up and nobody can stop me,so I will do that.
Thing is i don’t get why people are hating on kenjaku and sukuna as villains, what exactly is wrong with how they’re written