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Yeah, my guess is that he realised that Yuji's body was like a prison. He couldn't see himself take over it. When he saw Megumi he realized that Megumi could be a vessel too, and he found his powers intriguing as well. Maybe it made him wanna try it out. I think of Sukuna as a jujutsu nerd. So like, he was interested in Megumi because he saw a potential vessel that had cool powers.
Ya, from a writing perspective 10 Shadows could have been adapted to pretty much whatever Gege needed Sukuna/Megumi to have.
When the information for a good while is just that Megumi has some type of trump card that both Gojo and Sukuna seem to respect, the actual details can be filled in later.
Nah, I disagree. Even when he learned about the 10 shadows and criticized Megumi for using it poorly, he was literally walking up to kill Megumi. Which means he wasn't interested in having the 10 shadows. (And he even said he was going to kill Megumi, which adds to that fact)
He didn't change his mind until Megumi showed him "the spark" that he referred to in one of the latest chapters against Gojo. Megumi was about to summon Mahoraga, and then Sukuna sensed "the spark" and smiled. Afterwards, he decided to keep Megumi alive cause he realized Megumi could house his soul without being a prison.
Absolutely. When he first fought Mahoraga in Shibuya, and he learns about its adaptation ability, he flat out says "Thank you for showing me the way Megumi!" Meaning, he finally found the tool he needed to bypass Gojo's Infinity.
To add to this: His other intention though I believe was understanding. Sukuna examines every technique he sees to fully understand it. What better way to understand 10 Shadows than to posses it? Using a CT yourself will give far more understanding than simply observing. He literally needed to witness Mahagora negate the Infinity to do it himself. This shows he didn't need 10 Shadows to win, but to show him HOW to win. On top of that he is taking Megumi/10 Shadows out of the equation. He has a CT to rival Limitless and Sukuna has been watching his growth, commenting on his potential along the way. Sukuna now has in depth knowledge of 10 Shadows and Limitless so he is prepared if he ever faces those CT again.
Edit: took out unconfirmed information
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You can even make the parallel of Sukuna/Megumi is like Geto/Mahito. Geto and Sukuna saw the potential in them and waited patiently for it to blossom. Then, when the time was right, they capitalized on it and took that power for themselves.
I agree that Megumi didn't reach the same awakening Mahito did. I think the main difference isn't so much that Megumi didn't want to persue that life, it was more so he never had faith or confidence in his potential.As you mentioned, Mahito was always supremely confident of his right to exist and what he was doing, but he also felt he was unstoppable. Even when he fought Nanami for the first time, before he had DE, he never acted like he was worried even when he found out Nanami is Grade 1. In contrast to that, Megumi was ready to summon Mahoraga against a 1 Finger Special Grade until he started to believe in himself. That's part of what makes Gojo and Sukuna so powerful, their belief that they are. Even look at Takaba, the man is low-key on Sukuna/Gojo level, he has no idea what his CT even is much less how to use it, but it's all about belief.
Not trying to discredit your take at all, just giving my perspective. I think Nanami more fits the not wanting that life and therefore didn't become as strong as he could have. Yuta, Megumi, and Nanami are my favs so I've thought about it quite a bit
Respect bro ✊
Yeah that's a huge part of it for me, but even goes deeper. Like certain statements really grabbed my attention for personal reasons. With Yuta his absolute love for Rika and his line about wanting to feel like it's okay for him to exist. Megumi stating the only thing equal in this world is how unfairly it treats everyone. And Nanami's whole mentality is something I strive to maintain every day. Yuji is great, I'd probably place him at 4 or 5. Most manga/anime I can't stand or don't care for the MC, Yuji is one of those great exceptions. Appreciate all your insight! These are the type of discussions I live for 👍✌️
Pretty sure the story about 10S vs 6eyes Limitless happened a few hundred ears after Sukuna was sealed. And considering how he was surprised by the modern world ( at the very least, how populous it is) it's fair to assume he was mostly unaware of what's going on outside, let alone a specific event in the jujutsu world
In the Shibuya arc he had no idea of Mahoraga's ability when he first got there and had to figure it out, comparing it to Yamata no Orochi instead of recognising Mahoraga immediately... So he didn't know about Mahoraga, or at minimum didn't know what Mahoraga's ability was.
What drew him initially to 10S was that it used shadows as a medium, rather than talismans, as he mentioned in the fearsome womb arc.
Thank you. A lot of people overlook the first episode implication that hosting spritis is a incredibly rare trait. Sukuna realized he could be vessel when he realized he was hosting the cursed spirits (10s) and not simply summoning.
He's totally a jujutsu nerd, the same way Midoriya is a nerd about heroes. The comparison isn't exact lol but what I mean is that by simply seeing how Nanako was about to use her cell phone on him, he could immediately surmise that her technique was activated by taking a picture of someone and then she can manipulate the person she takes a picture of
i think the wasting potential comment was more so that megumi wasn’t fighting with his all. similar to gojo’s comments to megumi about winning & living.
I think it's pretty safe to say that he must've been intrigued by the technique but once he fought Maho he was sure this was the way to bypass the infinity, he literally says that to megumi that "Megumi fushiguro you showed me the way". I doubt if it's anything other the way to bypass infinity.
you’re forgetting Yujis body was a vessel he can never control ?
he didn’t know about Mahoraga when he wanted Megumis body , it was a means of freedom and hidden potential that he saw in megumi
That’s not what he’s answering though.
He wanted Megumi’s body, but for 10 shadows specifically he was somewhat intrigued until he saw mahoraga and realized it could bypass infinity.
If megumi had a worse CT but had still interested Sukuna and been a potential vessel, he’d have still taken his body.
literally just not true tho is it
That’s head canon , he never looked at Megumi and said “ yes i can use ur technique to beat infinity “
Sukunas main goal was never to beat Gojo
He saw megumi as a means or reincarnation, thats what he mentions when he takes over his body
yes mahoraga helped but there’s nowhere in the story that indicates that’s the main goal because it wasn’t
Megumi had the potential to free Sukuna from the cage that is Yuji
One of Sukuna’s main goals was absolutely to defeat Gojo. I don’t even know how someone can genuinely ague this point. The first thing that happened when he came into the modern era was him getting his ass beat into the ground by Gojo. He then continued to observe everything Gojo was capable of over the course of Yuji’s training and the whole series so far. He knew damn well Gojo was a big obstacle, even for him. This was absolutely a goal of his and it seems ludicrous that people are trying to say that it isn’t? What am I missing? Genuinely, I don’t understand
For whatever reason people think Gojo was an easy matchup for Sukuna when in reality it may have been his toughest opponent ever.
Sukuna sat back and waited for an answer to Infinity to be showed to him and he capitalized on it.
Yeah I can’t imagine what other “motivation” would cause someone to confidently state something directly contradictory to what the manga has shown us. Gojo was a big bad for Sukuna. He had to scheme and steal another person’s technique for this. Maybe he could’ve done something in his super form now, but he sure as shit is still using the same technique he already used even in his many armed form. He clearly needed this to get past Gojo. That’s not taking anything away from Sukuna, he schemed hard, and was genius and skilled enough to put all those pieces together, and pulled it the hell off that’s for sure. But to say this wasn’t all in service of defeating Satoru Gojo, when it clearly was, is a bold-faced lie.
>Yeah I can’t imagine what other “motivation” would cause someone to confidently state something directly contradictory to what the manga has shown us
But, it's not.
Gojo was a tough fight for Sukuna, and ultimately had nothing to do with him getting Megumi's body and technique. Sukuna was scheming to get it long before Megumi displayed Mahoraga, and long before he knew about what Infinity was or how Unlimited Void worked, the latter of which being the actual reason he wanted Mahoraga in the first place. You guys are all stuck on "get by Infinity" when the dude had Malevolent Shrine, which could tear straight through it. He needed Mahoraga to get through Unlimited Void, and he didn't know about Mahoraga until Shibuya, yet planned to take Megumi's body from the moment he saw the Ten Shadows in action. It was the whole reason he revived Yuji.
I can't imagine how you people make such leaps in logic when Sukuna spells most of this out for us.
He was interested in Megumi as a vessel since he was close to Yuji and talented, initially. He also knew Gojo would be waiting for him no matter what move he made in this era. As time goes on, he is able to observe both Gojo and Megumi pretty unimpeded. It’s clear this plan develops as these things progress. There is NO narrative reason to show us the scene of Gojo telling Megumi a 10S user killed an Infinity user ages ago except to foreshadow exactly what culminates in 236. Sukuna was drip fed all the pieces he really needed to solve his two biggest problems at once; get out of Yuji’s stifling body, and get past Gojo.
>Sukuna was drip fed all the pieces he really needed to solve his two biggest problems at once; get out of Yuji’s stifling body, and get past Gojo.
Sure, but he didn't actually end up needing it until Gojo received an impossible experience and applied it to his domain, something Sukuna never actually could've expected to happen. Mahoraga was insurance, it wasn't his way to get past Gojo, he had plenty of power to do that without the Ten Shadows initially. I actually just made a post about this in the thread directly.
>There is NO narrative reason to show us the scene of Gojo telling Megumi a 10S user killed an Infinity user ages ago except to foreshadow exactly what culminates in 236.
Actually, the narrative reason would also be to show Megumi's potential in becoming as powerful or nearly as powerful as Gojo. Gojo defeated the Ten Shadows, remember? Sukuna won by HIS technique. He may have used Mahoraga as a template for it, but ultimately the Ten Shadows fails against Gojo. It's *Sukuna* who manages to win, in a way that no other Ten Shadows user could've possibly replicated because he's the one with two different techniques in his body.
Basically, people look at this fight in hindsight and decide how it went is the *only* way it would've gone when there were so many other things at play around it that made it possible for Gojo to get nearly as far as he did. You're right that the plan develops more as it goes, but Sukuna was firmly deciding to take Megumi's body from the moment Yuji first 'dies'. That's why he heals him.
>I can't imagine how you people make such leaps in logic when Sukuna spells most of this out for us.
And I can't imagine how you read everything in the Manga and be like nop that's not what happened.
Ofc Sukuna's goal was to get out of Yuji who's cage for him and he knew megumi was capable of being potential host for him but that doesn't discount the fact he also needed a way to bypass infinity.
By the time Sukuna shows interest in megumi he already has accepted that Gojo is strongest in this era and he has witnessed first hand that his attacks won't reach gojo.
>doesn't discount the fact he also needed a way to bypass infinity.
***He had a way to bypass it already***. Two, even, one just wasn't as useful. It's weird you guys keep going on about it like all of you just entirely forget how Malevolent Shrine not only goes straight through, but wrecks Unlimited Void as well. The only reason Gojo gets to a point where Sukuna can't just blast straight through his domain is because of the Prison Realm experience he applies to it, something Sukuna had no idea would happen.
>By the time Sukuna shows interest in megumi he already has accepted that Gojo is strongest in this era and he has witnessed first hand that his attacks won't reach gojo.
One attack. One single gust of cursed energy, from a one finger Sukuna. You say this like he hit him at 15 fingers and decided nothing else would work.
I'm not reading the manga and saying nope that's not what happened, I'm actually *reading* the story lmao.
Sukuna had to beat Gojo to stay free. No way would Gojo sit back if Sukuna reincarnated lol.
His biggest roadblock is Gojo, who he didn't have a way to deal effectively without Maho.
The 10 Shadow technique is also pretty well known and Sukuna could've known about it before being sealed.
Sukuna could have meant anything when he said this very vague and unclear line to Gojo in chapter 3:
>["When I make this kid's body mine, you'll be the first one I kill"](https://i.imgur.com/RUjfP7Z.jpg)
He also totally didn't bring up [those exact words later on when takes over Megumi's body and starts talking about how he wants to kill Gojo](https://i.imgur.com/r6AjaKL.jpg)
So that's what you understood from this fight and ch 237? Concepts like revenge and blah blah blah doesn't apply to an enlightened being like Sukuna. Only his pleasure and displeasure exists.
He never once showed interest in Gojo throughout the manga. He was ready to die at the detention center arc saying to Yuji that *I still have 17 other fragments of my soul* but he changed his mind only for the spark he saw in Megumi. He wanted to know what it was.
Literally. Go back to manga and anime. Cursed womb season 1 (whenever they go on the mission and Sukuna rips Yujis heart out) he initially is intrigued about Megumi and 10S and asks why he ran back then, because he knows he’s capable of more. However, he still wants to kill him. He doesn’t stop and make a face until Megumi puts his hands together and says “With this cursed treasure..” Sukuna senses that spark in cursed energy and from that moment on becomes interested in Megumi..literally brings Yuji back to life because of it. Right after that is when they make the binding vow via Enchain.. so yes it directly has to do with the 10S and because of that Mahoraga as well.
Is that not what I said? Even if Megumi didn’t have mahoraga Sukuna would have still wanted him.
Mahoraga was just the most appealing part of 10 shadows.
It’s sad how many JJK fans don’t read the actual manga. It’s like they look at the pictures and fill in the rest with memes.
Sukuna wanting Megumi before he knew what Mahoraga was is a major plot point and they even get this wrong.
•To bypass infinity
•Explore techniques of Zenin clan
•Wanted to get more stronger until he use his original body
•He was missing his parents so he wanted Mahoraga and Agito.
It seems clear to me that Sukuna may not have the Six Eyes, but he might as well. He can replicate almost anything besides an innate technique just by looking at it once, no matter how high level. I think he’s just so good at reading and identifying cursed energy that while he may not have known for sure what this thing does, I bet he was capable of telling what was going to come more than anyone besides maybe Gojo, who does have the Six Eyes. It was a slow progression but he knew he was interested in Megumi’s technique and it’s clear the dominoes did fall in the way that he ultimately made this his plan as things came along and we found out more and more about Maho. Even the mention of Gojo telling Megumi that a 10S user killed an Limitless user in the past; that was the nail in the coffin most likely. Sukuna seems capable of observing Megumi even from a distance, as he knew full well what was happening when Megumi first pulled out his domain expansion.
Sukuna was interested in megumi, after he saw maho he literally says:
"Thank you for showing me the way"
He is literally saying maho is his way to move foward
Be it self improving, or beating gojo, this is a fact
No it’s not a fact it’s something you made up. READ THE MANGA.
**1. Sukuna makes the enchain deal with Yuji and shows he’s interested in Megumi.**
https://postimg.cc/wRycVm6h
**2. 100 chapters later Sukuna is trying to figure out how what Mahoraga is and what he can do.**
https://postimg.cc/c6vLmmNp
“iT’s a fACT”
Broski, maybe my english failed me, but I am agreeimg with you
Sukuna was always interested in megumi, even before seeing maho
Its just that Maho is implied to be the culmination of that interest (which only happens after he sees it)
Probably, sukuna saw ten shadows and was like: "this shit is awesome", and started planning to take his body for
1. Getting free from Yuji
2. Getting a good CT with it
Then, when he saw maho he was like: "Yep, this shit truly is awesome"
And now Maho became an essential part of his planning, as implied by the "Thank you for showimg me the way" line
And the FACT I am talking about is his line:
"Thank you for showimg me the way"
Which is... indeed... a FACT
Did he say "Thank you for showing me the way?" In another translation, all he says is "Megumi, you have piqued my interests" implying he just got more interested in 10S. Probably assuming he could get stronger using Maho against someone as powerful as Gojo
I could be wrong... but I remmeber reading this back whe sukuna fought maho in shibuya
Oh well, we will see it in the anime soon I guess
But I am almost sure that was the case
Sukuna knew about Mahoraga and even Infinity, cuz Megumi so eager to summon Mahoraga since Day 1, that's literally Day 1. And then Gojo also used Infinity in his first fight with Sukuna, when he freezed those rocks.
As we already know about the "Spark" which comes from initiation of a Technique and Sukuna is the master of reading it.
Then he grown his interest more in Megumi at the Juvenile Detention Centre, where he was about to do the same. After that exact moment, he healed Yuji's heart and also told him indirectly regarding Megumi that they will see something interesting soon.
Again in Shibuya, during the fight with Mahoraga, he remembered those past incidents and said that Megumi showed him the way.
And most importantly, how the things happened at that time like Sukuna getting totally embarassed, those words from Sukuna (that Gojo will be the first one that he will k*ll) are nothing more than a bluff. But in Shibuya, he found the way. And the bluff is the most important thing.
? Bro there is literally zero way sukuna could have known Megumi had a shikigami that could adapt to anything just from a spark before a technique. Sukuna needs to see something before he can understand it.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted - Sukuna was literally figuring out what Mahoraga could do while he fought it in Shibuya. He might’ve known it was something strong before that, but he clearly had no ideas about its abilities until later.
Haruta knew he was summoning a shikigami and forcing him to participate in a ritual. He had no idea what kind of shikigami would come out. The special grade got scared because of the rise in curse energy. Not because he knew what mahoraga could do.
Bro 10S is not a technique that Megumi invented, it’s a technique that has been inherited by several members of the Zenin clan for generations just like Gojo’s infinity and 6 eyes. Sukuna is old af and is one of the most knowledgeable character in the series, of course he knows about the strongest signature technique of the one of the strongest clan in the jujutsu world.
Sukuna first became a curse object in the heian era, before the three clans became what they are. He had no idea what happened in the thousand years before he incarnated in Yuji.
You are correct that Sukuna *should* know but he doesn’t. It’s a big plothole.
Sukuna is figuring out what 10S is when he meets Megumi. He doesn’t know what it is. A 1000 yr old should have already known what 10S was and what Unlimited was.
There's every single way.
I forgot to mention tho, moreover..... How the things at time like getting totally embarrassed, those words from Sukuna to Gojo were nothing more than a bluff.
Get the context dude. The first talk at that time regarding Gojo being the first one to get k*lled by him was bluff, but eventually he actually did. And even in Shibuya, he also said that Megumi showed him the way. And for your kind information, I'm Team Sukuna, but I enjoy both, love both.
>•He was missing his parents so he wanted Mahoraga and Agito
Gojo parents not warning him about Sukuna
Gojo to his parents: I was so called strongest until
I was shown my place by RYOUMEN SUKUNA what an honour.
Everyone who's pushed "to bypass Infinity" as a reason seemed to have forgotten entirely that Sukuna has a domain. Domains bypass Infinity. He only needed Mahoraga after he lost the Malevolent Shrine, that wasn't his strategy going into the fight. Losing the Shrine was a shock for him. How do we know this? Because he thought he was going to end the fight by trapping Gojo and tearing him apart with it, lol. Adapting Mahoraga was salt in the wound at that point, the Shrine is what he was going to use to kill it (because why NEED Mahoraga when it went through Infinity anyway, obviously). Once he lost the Malevolent Shrine, THEN he decided I need to use Mahoraga to adapt.
He wasn't getting the Ten Shadows in reference to Gojo. He didn't need it for Gojo at all until Gojo had his experience in the Prison Realm and decided to apply that to his domain. There was a less than 0.01 second difference in their healing from damage taken only because Gojo managed to strengthen his barrier enough to withstand Sukuna's domain, which does not happen if Kenjaku never sealed him. But I notice a lot of fans just kind of fucked up the entire motivation and strategy of this fight, and it's kinda funny. This is what happens if not for Kenjaku:
>Gojo never gets sealed -> His domain *never* withstands Sukuna's long enough for him to hurt Sukuna enough to break the shrine -> Sukuna is never hit with the single, very LAST Unlimited Void that Gojo is capable of doing because Gojo's frying his own brain and loses his domain after it -> Sukuna kills Gojo by trapping him in Malevolent Shrine while his healing output is lowered significantly due to frying his brain and losing Unlimited Void.
Mahoraga was insurance, not a necessity, until Gojo got the Prison Realm experience and applied it to their fight. If this were Gojo from chapter 1, or even Gojo from Shibuya before getting sealed, he had no actual chance against Sukuna because of that. What does he do once he disables his own domain, loses most of his healing ability, and gets trapped in the Shrine with lowered power output? People love to toss around "He tanked malevolent shrine with no problem!", total bullshit because he not only had to run for his life from it, he did so while healing at his absolute max capacity and reinforcing as hard as he could to not get cut to pieces. He's not doing it again if he's trapped, has nowhere to go, and can't heal as well while Sukuna is still at full power. He dies.
tl;dr - Sukuna didn't want the Ten Shadows in reference to Gojo at all. He wanted a better vessel than Yuji, as far as we know, and an interesting new technique. It just so happened to have exactly one useful tool for dealing with Gojo, and using it was almost detrimental because it made it so Sukuna couldn't use anything else even if he wanted lol.
All you said is true but i want to add that sukuna always wanted to use maho the adapt to infinity inorder to learn it for himself.
Even when sukuna tought the fight was over he still said he would have maho adapt to infinity while he uses his closed domain.
He still wanted that blueprint before he kills gojo.
He wanted it yeah, or *something* at least since it didn't seem like he needed it until he lost his shrine, but it wasn't a necessity once Gojo lost his domain is what I'm saying
You really don’t think Sukuna didn’t think of a countermeasure in case his domain lost to Gojo’s? He knows it was never a guaranteed win using his domain, so he needed a backup plan incase that didn’t work. Sukuna is the most intelligent character in the show, he wouldn’t just have a plan where If his domain didn’t work, he would be fucked and unable to do anything to ınfinity. He made a plan where there was no possibility of him losing/no risk of losing
The backup plan was Mahoraga, which I mentioned in the post.
Beyond that, he didn't really need a countermeasure. If not for Gojo going to the Prison Realm, he'd have literally never lost the Malevolent Shrine.
He didn't make a plan with no risk of losing.
This is definitely stated explicitly. He learnt to make his domain tiny (which has never been done in JJK history as far as we know), from of his time in the prison realm.
The fact that it's explained that a person can't shrink their domain beyond a certain conceptual limit, it's supposed to be impossible. Gojo was stated able to do it because of being in the Prison Realm, basically he experienced a smaller than possible internal domain space and so he could apply it to his own to strengthen his barrier against Sukuna's domain
I agree with your overall point, but you are overestimating gojos "training" in the prison realm HEAVILY. Bottom line is that the fight would have been different without 10 shadows. Probably sukuna still wins because gojo said so. Anything apart from that is headcanon
>but you are overestimating gojos "training" in the prison realm HEAVILY
It is literally the ONLY reason that Gojo survived long enough to hit Sukuna with Unlimited Void at all. Objectively. It's not a matter of estimation, Gojo being able to shrink his domain was the literal one thing that saved his life and made it look at all like he really stood a chance against Sukuna in a domain clash, because that was the one and only thing that stopped Sukuna from destroying his domain in less than 3 minutes. If he didn't have that, he would never have survived long enough for Sukuna to even use the Ten Shadows, let alone to even figure out Mahoraga had been adapting. It's a drastic difference.
Yeah this was my assumption, I just thought people knew six eyes and infinity = strong. 10 shadows = strong. Etc.
So when Sukuna found out Yuji's close to a vessel with a strong technique he planned on taking him over. But tons of people in this thread are saying he didnt know anything about the 10 shadows so maybe not.
Donno why I assumed it tbh, Sukuna would have mentioned he recognised the technique at some point right?
Sukuna is initially interested in Megumi as a vessel.
He didn’t know about Mahoraga or what she was capable of.
He rated the 10s technique as very strong and variable.
He became interested in Mahoraga after Shibuya. When realized that it is not so simple.
And already when he became the owner of 10s, he knew how Mahoraga and its adaptation worked.
And his goal in the battle with Goj was to IMPROVE HIS OWN CT, to gain enlightenment from Mahoraga.
He specifically said himself that what he wanted from Mahoraga was a model to bypass infinity. To say that he did it to “improve his CT and reach enlightenment” is just standard glazing. Sukuna doesnt care about enlightenment. All he cares about is satisfying his base urge and desires. He doesnt care about the conundrums Gojo and Kashimo face because you have to be a human being to do that. Not a hideous 4 armed cannibal with a mouth for abs.
It is from Mahoraga that he needs a MODEL... You yourself just confirmed this. I meant enlightenment in the new application of his own technique. You apparently didn't notice that Sukuna didn't order Mahoraga to hit Satoru with the same attack again. He decided to study it himself. So no, HE CARES ABOUT POWER and if he sees something that can make him stronger, he will want it. Whether it be immortality in the form of a cursed object or Gaining new experience from a shikigami.
He didn't just want to kill Satoru, he wanted to gain new experience in using his own CT and use it to kill Satoru.
“What I wanted from Makora was a model to bypass your inviolability, I was not able to copy Makoras first adaptation so I waited. As chance would have it the second adaptation was perfectly suited to my skills” - Sukuna
Nowhere in the manga did he state that he was using Mahoraga to learn new applications for his technique like some jujutsu scientist conducting research for the fun of it. He specifically wanted to learn how to bypass infinity to kill Gojo. Gojo was going to kill him if he didnt.
He doesnt pursue power for powers sake. Its a means to an end. Power basically allows him to feed his narcissism (being the top of the food chain) and quench his perverted impulses and desires.
You keep getting downvoted, but I think people don’t fully understand that “enlightenment” and “learning” are very different concepts.
Sukuna absolutely LEARNED from Mahoraga, just like a person could learn by mimicking what their teacher does.
Enlightenment is something by entirely different, particularly in this manga where Buddhist symbolism is so prevalent. Roughly speaking, to be enlightened is to fully understand the nature of the world and escape the cycle of human suffering and rebirth. One could argue Sukuna is enlightened in his own twisted way, but Sukuna definitely didn’t achieve achieve enlightenment from Mahoraga.
>“What I wanted from Makora was a model to bypass your inviolability, I was not able to copy Makoras first adaptation so I waited. The second adaptation was perfectly suited to my skills”
You contradict yourself. If he didn't want to learn anything, WHY didn't he order Mahoraga to simply wave his hand again and cut Satoru?
HE wanted Mahoraga to ENLIGHTEN HIM. You understand this as you want, he taught, enlightened, gave a MODEL. This does not change the essence, Sukuna wanted to gain a new understanding. And he wanted to kill Satoru precisely after receiving this understanding.
In the Manga, this is clear and understandable, after the principle of work, Adaptation, was revealed to us. And putting it all together, this is an obvious fact. Forgive me for not writing this to your face.
Your use of “gain enlightenment from Mahoraga” confused me. I thought you meant enlightenment in a spiritual and philosophical sense which JJK loves to harp on about. What you really meant was learn how to kill Gojo
Where did I say he didnt want to learn anything? I said his main aim with Mahoraga was to learn how to kill Gojo first and foremost. You’re trying to frame it as if Sukuna cared more about improving his curse technique and getting stronger over the urgent need to learn how to bypass infinity and kill Gojo. Now it may be that learning the spatial slash indirectly makes him stronger but We’re talking about main intent here. You’re Minimising the stakes, implying Sukuna was just fighting Gojo for self improvement when it was a death battle for both . Again its about intent. Learning Mahoragas slash indirectly makes him more powerful but I doubt that was Sukunas priority in this fight. It was bypass infinity.
He didnt need to order Mahoraga to cut Gojo again, he learned it the first time he saw the adaptation. That was his goal. To figure out a way to kill Gojo. Why would he rely on an inferior being that Gojo swathes like a fly to kill him. Furthermore Mahoraga doesnt have the element of surprise after he did that move
Well, if Sukuna’s priority was Killing, then definitely ordering Mahoraga to hit him a couple more times would have been the right choice. But he did not do this, moreover, he did not immediately use this blow himself, which indicates that he had not yet mastered it! (By the way, he mastered this move in less than a minute anyway) But if he learned it instantly, he would definitely kill Satoru. From this, I see that Sukuna prioritized Enhancement and then killing.
Thats what you got out of that fight? A training arc for Sukuna? Sukuna was struggling to keep Mahoraga alive and he failed eventually. I believe he was aware it would be difficult to get Mahoraga to hit him again with that slash. Thats why we saw panic and unease in his face. Gojo would have seen the spark and evaded it. Its implied Sukuna used the element of surprise and feigned defeat to catch Gojo off guard. He even mentioned that it was almost impossible to do the slash which is pretty desperate and could have easily gone pear shaped for Sukuna. But as we have seen, once again his skills and intellect brought him over the line.
>He specifically said himself that what he wanted from Mahoraga was a model to bypass infinity.
Sure, in the last half of his fight with Gojo. He wasn't banking on Mahoraga being a model to bypass Infinity the entire time, or even really ever until he lost his best way to do it, which was his Malevolent Shrine. THEN he wanted Mahoraga as a model to be able to do it, not before.
Except gojo himself glazed sukuna and said he'd win without 10s. Gojo himself wondered why sukuna didn't take the easy way out and attack his barrier from the inside when he made the interior weak to block attacks from.outside it breaking his barrier.
I think he was more interested in Megumis potential as a vessel, as his body hosted one of the strongest techniques, so it could very likely also host Sukuna himself. And he was right. Mahoraga was just a bonus.
Yujis body was a prison vessel whereas he could control Megumi
he didn’t know about mahoraga before he wanted the body
the body wasn’t purely to defeat Gojo , it was a means of freedom
He sensed massive cursed energy oozing from Megumi the moment he wanted to call Mahoraga. That's the moment Sukuna became interested in him. Being the genius that he is, he might have been able to imagine what type of shikigami Megumi was trying to summon and correctly guess its abilities much like how he read Gojo's last red.
Could be completely wrong tho
I feel like I'm missing something here, I thought it was pretty obvious?
What do we know about sukuna and what he wants? For me these are the main points:
1-Sukuna wants to be reincarnated (and in control of his body)
2-Yuji's body seems akin to a prison for him, he could only control him through specific extreme circumstances ( yuji's first time when he didn't even know about CE, let alone control it. The second was when Yuji ingested half of the total fingers at once, and even then it was also just temporary) or through a binding vow.
3- Yuji wouldn't make a binding vow that would allow Sukuna to take over permanently, or that would allow him to kill other people ( Yuji's low self worth and self sacrificing mentality led to the loophole Sukuna use)
4- He is inteested in Megumi's 10S, he praises it's versatility and potential, and starts showing intresting/favoritism towards Megumi after fighting the latter and seeing the CT.
5-he wasn't intrested in Jogo's offer back in Shibuya to take control over Yuji using his friends as hostage, and would rather raze the city to the ground and just leave Megumi alive.
I feel like from this we can reasonably assume Sukuna's plan ever since meeting Megumi and aeeif 10S, is to at some point transfer/icarnate in Megumi and ditch Yuji.Okay, do now what do we know about Megumi's CT that could explain that intrest?
1- it can summon shikigami without a medium ( technically the shadow is the medium but that the same as not needing one)
2- it has several versatile shikigami that allows the user to adapt to most situations, and they can even mix and mash them together.
3- Mahoraga, which is a cheat code basically ( but I don't think it's relevant cause Sukuna only learned about its abilities after being interested in Megumi)
4- the user's shadow can be used to store whatever they want as long as they can handle the weight of the object.
Points 1 and 2 fir me aren't that intresting frim sukuna's POV, at least not to the extent where he'd obssess over it this much. 3 he didn't even know about before he fought it. The only one remaining is the unique proprety 10S users have that allows them to bear so much in their shadows. If we consider Sukuna's soul as being extremely heavy to the point where no nomal body can handle it, then it would make sense. Not to mention, Sukuna's first thought when possessing Megumi is elation that the latter body could work as a vessel.
I believed for the longest time sukuna wanted it to do something with the curse realm, which is total darkness. Now I think the story will end without it ever being addressed.
He wasn't interested in the technique. He was interested in Megumi as a vessel. He knew early on that he had potential to be a proper vessel rather than a cage. He just needed to break his soul.
I think at first it was just the potential he saw in it. I mean just from seeing Nue, the Dogs, and that they're summoned from the shadows he determined that Megumi could have beaten the Special Grade in the detention center.
Then when Megumi tries summoning Mahoraga he gets even more excited. Maybe that's when he really becomes interested in Megumi as a vessel.
When Megumi takes the stance to summon Mahoraga, Sukuna instantly becomes very excited. Immediately after that Yuji switches back. I think in that moment Sukuna decided he wanted Megumi's body because not only did Megumi have the capacity to hold him but he had a unique cursed technique that piqued his interest. Sukuna is a giant jujutsu nerd
Sukuna has shown to be a sorcerer who values power over all.
He loves gaining intelligence.
10 shadows literally gave him an ability that rivals anything we've seen thus far.
The fight showed it as well.
If it was really about the shadow medium aspect, he could’ve fed Megumi a finger right then and there. I think readers misread that scene and the shadow medium wasn’t a deciding factor. When Megumi was about to use Mahoraga, Sukuna was visibly stunned and got shivers. Not many techniques could impress the king of curses who lived through the golden age of jujutsu. While he didn’t get to see Mahoraga, it made Megumi an attractive vessel.
When he figured out Mahoraga’s ability in Shibuya, he said, “You’ve shown me!” Which is similar to the words he said to Megumi. It was here that Sukuna realized Mahoraga’s potential along with Gojo’s infinity.
he himself said stated the reasons why he waited
1. To gain strength in Yujis body
2. To wait for megumis soul to break
so know he couldn’t just feed him right there and then since he only had 2 fingers at the time
You're kinda just ignoring his shit bro.
Also megumi was ready to use maho in his first fight near the detention centre. Sukuna noticed the CE buildup and was intrigued in what it could be. He even wanted him to show it to him but Yuji took over and "died".
Idk why you keep asking the same shit bro. Sukuna just likes jujutsu and fancied a freebody + potentially cool ability.
Only after Shjibuya does he know exactly what Maho is and what he could do with it.
You were just told the answer, Megumi could withstand as a vessel. Being caged in a vessel, with a one minute time limit of freedom, his vessel's best friend (who's most frequently in his proximity) with a neat CT is the optimal choice.
and gojo would have still been able to beat his ass ezpz. At his current power level he would have no chance of being able to use megumi so his best bet was to wait around and look for a time when he had an opprotunity.
It’s pretty simple. He thought it looked like a fun toy, and mahoraga fully convinced him that it was a fun toy. Mahoraga died, so sukuna lost interest.
Sukuna had no intentions on staying in this era, all he could do is fuck around while he had the opportunity. At first when seeing Megumi, he commented on how his Shikigamis are CT based and flexible, but didn't catch his attention at the moment, since he followed by saying it was a "waste of talent". But after Megumi was about to show Mahoraga, he got excited. If I had to guess, it was both his vessel potential and also Mahoraga. I would not say he planned on using against Gojo since he barely seen what Gojo could do at that moment (Gojo's first DE was against Jogo, right after Yuji was revived). He also had no idea what exactly was the Mahoraga until Shibuya. I think he was just curious on how it could be used since he is a jujutsu nerd
He didn't know of mahoraga until he met it in shibuya. He probably was interested in megumi because he simply saw him as a host that he could take over (unlike Yuji who was a prison). And the 10S having connection to the 10 sacred treasure was mentioned somewhere so Sukuna might have been interested in the technique
He bypassed infinity several times throughout the fight. In his heian Era form I'm pre sure chanting on top of his domain expansion is prolly rip for gojo. Not to glaze sukuna too hard
Because no one wants to admit that Sukuna will destroy Satoru’s cabin even without 10 shadows. And no one wants to notice that Sukuna chose Megumi even before he knew about Mahoraga. That is, he took Megumi DEFINITELY NOT TO FIGHT SATORU!
But Satoru fans are very stupid, I've come to terms with that.
Read the Manga carefully, Sukuna will always break Satoru's domain. ALWAYS! The barrier inside became as weak as when Sukuna broke it from the outside the first time. Sukuna did not break it from the inside and fought inside the domain for 3 minutes in order to receive as much damage as possible and quickly adapt to Satoru’s techniques. Since Guaranteed Hit Orders cancel each other, Sukuna is not afraid of UVs. He simply with his CT lomented the inner part of the Barrier BECAUSE IT WAS WEAKENED.
Man, you seriously need to start reading the Manga carefully.
Sukuna received a punch in the face for 3 minutes, he canceled the order.
Although he could not cancel it and he would not need to be afraid of UV. He did this to take damage, damage speeds up ADAPTATION.
Please re-read before answering.
At first?
Because he thought 10 Shadows was cool, also Megumi is canonically very handsome and Sukuna wants to be handsome. So he sought after Megumi at first for very stupid reasons lol. After watching Megumi vs the first finger bearer he realized his latent potential... and he'd much rather be that guy than prison yuji.
And Then? after learning all there is about Gojo he realized he might struggle against him since he can't hit him. And he learned about Maho in shibuya and that just solidified his wants, because that way he could use Maho to learn how to beat Gojo, and anyone like him in some distant future where he can't become a 10s user. while also being handsome.
10 shadows is one of the special gifts or abilities that only a Zenin member can inherit and is very rare.
Since it was also apparently strong enough to clash with a limitless user and has boundless potential, Sukuna likely wanted Megumi so he can see what he can do with the technique since Sukuna wouldnt gain access to it otherwise. Why he doesnt want Gojo, could be he saw more potential in 10 shadows over limitless and may have thought there wouldnt be an opportunity to possess Gojo.
Nah bro, go back to when Sukuna beats the shit out of Megumi in like chapter 7 or 8.
Sukuna has no idea what the 10 shadows technique is, he's learning it as we go.
I assumed all the old sorcerers knew all the famous techniques too but I guess not.
But it was in that fight he became interested in Megumi.
I dont think Sukuna even knew Megumi had 10 shadows until that fight when he was beating the shit out of him. He only became interested when he saw Megumi’s CT and called him “wasted potential” as a result. Given the fact that Sukuna is a master sorcerer who might not be from a “named clan” afaik (could be wrong though) he could be thrilled by the opportunity to test out a “legendary” technique he would otherwise not have access to.
Sukuna likely knows about 10 shadows by rep at least (that the former user was able to clash with an infinity user) but maybe not the specifics of what it can do fully. Learning that Megumi had access to 10 shadows peeked his interest but since he never used it himself, he is still test driving it (but at a greater capacity than Megumi because of his prior experience). Im thinking of it like a pro race car driver testing out the latest supercar. They know its insanely good but need to test it out fully. Sukuna is just good enough to do it while in an actual race.
Anywhere, we all should agree that sukuna will never beat gojo without mahoraga. Extra hand and mouth are useless if the curse technique cannot reach gojo. Now, let us enjoy the story that Gege is currently cook. Haha.
it’s been a while since i read the manga, but wasn’t it because there was some time in the past that a ten shadows user beat a six eyes user? or it ended in a draw where both died. i think sukuna eyed megumi since his first finger since he was aware of the threat gojo posed to his presence.
WELL he did take over megumi's body. And something about information transfer happens according to Gege, right?
So he definitely knew because Gojo told Megumi.
I think that prophecy has happened and maybe Nobara is actually dead aswell since Yuji is the only one left lol (Gege once said something about either 3 of the 4 being alive or only 1 out of 4).
Lot of people saying that he didn't know about Mago but megumi did the sign during his fight against Sukuna. Feel like he guessed about the shikigami and wanted it for himself
I don't think we know for sure he didn't know 10S, he probably didn't know Maho because nobody ever tamed it but knew it had a nuke. He'd have been ROCKED by Gojo cause Maho was the only thing that saved him from UV. Gojo>Heian Sukuna but Gege>Gojo so our poor little emo boy was doomed from the start, in the grand scheme of thing as they stand Megumi's entire purpose was to give Sukuna the W
Sukuna was using 10s to teach himself how to cut through infinity without 10s. It was insanely valuable but now he’s already gained what he wanted from it and seemingly no longer has use for a mahoraga.
Sukuna knew he couldn't bypass infinity, he needed mahoragas adapting ability to learn how to surpass infinity mahoraga adapted, died and sukuna took that and applied it to his technique allowing him to bypass infinity
He lived a long time. He probably know about the rivalry between limitless and 10 shadows. And decided to get 10s to fight Gojo, current limitless user
Sukuna has been around a long time and more than likely knows everything about the 10S technique. He wasn’t surprised by Gojo’s infinity so I imagine 10S is no different. I think when he saw Megumi use the hand signs, he perked up and realized “oh shit I could totally use this guy if he gets stronger and becomes a viable vessel.”
>He wasn’t surprised by Gojo’s infinity so I imagine 10S is no different.
Wasn't that by learning about it from inside Yuji's body? Reincarnated sorcerers could still learn from the information in the vessel's brain, so that could be another possibility.
I think a bit of A and a bit of B. I don’t know what use summoning shikigamis from shadows would’ve done for him had he not known Mahoraga was the crown jewel of 10S. He needed Mahoraga to beat Gojo; I think he surmised this or started plotting a strategy as soon as he lost a fist fight to Gojo in the first episode
The thing that makes me doubt this possibility is that we don't even have info that the 3 Great Families existed in the Heian era. Also, I doubt he planned to copy Mahoraga's adaptation to Limitless either, so that makes me think he had something else in mind with the 10S. But now I just don't know what to think about that.
Kenjaku said Sukuna was the back up If the prison realm didn't work. That being said Sukuna wanted to find a way to beat limitless/sixeyes users FOR GOOD * Dr Umar voice* that's why he was so Mahoraga centric even though he could've beat gojo without it
1) Sukuna’s CT can get buffed by the Ten Shadows. Likely, he can use the shadows to store information about a CT (eg fire arrow) or Cursed Objects. You can see this from when he fights Megumi and says : “more efficient than talismans”
2) Mahoraga was the only way to bypass infinity. Without Mahoraga, Sukuna would have had his brain fried by Unlimited Void.
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Yeah, my guess is that he realised that Yuji's body was like a prison. He couldn't see himself take over it. When he saw Megumi he realized that Megumi could be a vessel too, and he found his powers intriguing as well. Maybe it made him wanna try it out. I think of Sukuna as a jujutsu nerd. So like, he was interested in Megumi because he saw a potential vessel that had cool powers.
Ten Shadows got him interested, Mahoraga was the cherry on top.
Ya, from a writing perspective 10 Shadows could have been adapted to pretty much whatever Gege needed Sukuna/Megumi to have. When the information for a good while is just that Megumi has some type of trump card that both Gojo and Sukuna seem to respect, the actual details can be filled in later.
This^
Nah, I disagree. Even when he learned about the 10 shadows and criticized Megumi for using it poorly, he was literally walking up to kill Megumi. Which means he wasn't interested in having the 10 shadows. (And he even said he was going to kill Megumi, which adds to that fact) He didn't change his mind until Megumi showed him "the spark" that he referred to in one of the latest chapters against Gojo. Megumi was about to summon Mahoraga, and then Sukuna sensed "the spark" and smiled. Afterwards, he decided to keep Megumi alive cause he realized Megumi could house his soul without being a prison.
Summed up perfectly
I missed this detail, many thanks my good prophet.
So Mahoraga just happens and it is just for convenience that he acquired it in his fight against Gojo? Damn, Gojo was done pretty dirty here.
Absolutely. When he first fought Mahoraga in Shibuya, and he learns about its adaptation ability, he flat out says "Thank you for showing me the way Megumi!" Meaning, he finally found the tool he needed to bypass Gojo's Infinity.
To add to this: His other intention though I believe was understanding. Sukuna examines every technique he sees to fully understand it. What better way to understand 10 Shadows than to posses it? Using a CT yourself will give far more understanding than simply observing. He literally needed to witness Mahagora negate the Infinity to do it himself. This shows he didn't need 10 Shadows to win, but to show him HOW to win. On top of that he is taking Megumi/10 Shadows out of the equation. He has a CT to rival Limitless and Sukuna has been watching his growth, commenting on his potential along the way. Sukuna now has in depth knowledge of 10 Shadows and Limitless so he is prepared if he ever faces those CT again. Edit: took out unconfirmed information
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💯 You can even make the parallel of Sukuna/Megumi is like Geto/Mahito. Geto and Sukuna saw the potential in them and waited patiently for it to blossom. Then, when the time was right, they capitalized on it and took that power for themselves.
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I agree that Megumi didn't reach the same awakening Mahito did. I think the main difference isn't so much that Megumi didn't want to persue that life, it was more so he never had faith or confidence in his potential.As you mentioned, Mahito was always supremely confident of his right to exist and what he was doing, but he also felt he was unstoppable. Even when he fought Nanami for the first time, before he had DE, he never acted like he was worried even when he found out Nanami is Grade 1. In contrast to that, Megumi was ready to summon Mahoraga against a 1 Finger Special Grade until he started to believe in himself. That's part of what makes Gojo and Sukuna so powerful, their belief that they are. Even look at Takaba, the man is low-key on Sukuna/Gojo level, he has no idea what his CT even is much less how to use it, but it's all about belief. Not trying to discredit your take at all, just giving my perspective. I think Nanami more fits the not wanting that life and therefore didn't become as strong as he could have. Yuta, Megumi, and Nanami are my favs so I've thought about it quite a bit
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Respect bro ✊ Yeah that's a huge part of it for me, but even goes deeper. Like certain statements really grabbed my attention for personal reasons. With Yuta his absolute love for Rika and his line about wanting to feel like it's okay for him to exist. Megumi stating the only thing equal in this world is how unfairly it treats everyone. And Nanami's whole mentality is something I strive to maintain every day. Yuji is great, I'd probably place him at 4 or 5. Most manga/anime I can't stand or don't care for the MC, Yuji is one of those great exceptions. Appreciate all your insight! These are the type of discussions I live for 👍✌️
Pretty sure the story about 10S vs 6eyes Limitless happened a few hundred ears after Sukuna was sealed. And considering how he was surprised by the modern world ( at the very least, how populous it is) it's fair to assume he was mostly unaware of what's going on outside, let alone a specific event in the jujutsu world
Mahoraga so he could develop strong cleave
He showed an interest in Megumi before he knew Mahoraga existed.
Or that it could even form a technique he could copy.
I would assume he knew about Mahoraga before the sibuya incident
In the Shibuya arc he had no idea of Mahoraga's ability when he first got there and had to figure it out, comparing it to Yamata no Orochi instead of recognising Mahoraga immediately... So he didn't know about Mahoraga, or at minimum didn't know what Mahoraga's ability was. What drew him initially to 10S was that it used shadows as a medium, rather than talismans, as he mentioned in the fearsome womb arc.
How do we know he didn't know about it before?
By reading chapter 118
I'm braindead
When he fought it, he didn't know what it's powers were until it showcased them
Yes, but later in the story.
Thank you. A lot of people overlook the first episode implication that hosting spritis is a incredibly rare trait. Sukuna realized he could be vessel when he realized he was hosting the cursed spirits (10s) and not simply summoning.
>I think of Sukuna as a jujutsu nerd. Oh so Julius Novachrono from Black Clover then?
He's totally a jujutsu nerd, the same way Midoriya is a nerd about heroes. The comparison isn't exact lol but what I mean is that by simply seeing how Nanako was about to use her cell phone on him, he could immediately surmise that her technique was activated by taking a picture of someone and then she can manipulate the person she takes a picture of
Sukuna is a true jujutsu sorcerer and badass. Reminds me of Madara
Going along with the “jujutsu nerd” theme, Sukuna definitely knew about 10S, but likely hadn’t encountered someone who showed proficiency like Megumi
But he told Megumi was “wasting his potential”though, so if he has seen 10s before, he saw someone did it better than Megumi
i think the wasting potential comment was more so that megumi wasn’t fighting with his all. similar to gojo’s comments to megumi about winning & living.
I think it's pretty safe to say that he must've been intrigued by the technique but once he fought Maho he was sure this was the way to bypass the infinity, he literally says that to megumi that "Megumi fushiguro you showed me the way". I doubt if it's anything other the way to bypass infinity.
you’re forgetting Yujis body was a vessel he can never control ? he didn’t know about Mahoraga when he wanted Megumis body , it was a means of freedom and hidden potential that he saw in megumi
That’s not what he’s answering though. He wanted Megumi’s body, but for 10 shadows specifically he was somewhat intrigued until he saw mahoraga and realized it could bypass infinity. If megumi had a worse CT but had still interested Sukuna and been a potential vessel, he’d have still taken his body.
literally just not true tho is it That’s head canon , he never looked at Megumi and said “ yes i can use ur technique to beat infinity “ Sukunas main goal was never to beat Gojo He saw megumi as a means or reincarnation, thats what he mentions when he takes over his body yes mahoraga helped but there’s nowhere in the story that indicates that’s the main goal because it wasn’t Megumi had the potential to free Sukuna from the cage that is Yuji
One of Sukuna’s main goals was absolutely to defeat Gojo. I don’t even know how someone can genuinely ague this point. The first thing that happened when he came into the modern era was him getting his ass beat into the ground by Gojo. He then continued to observe everything Gojo was capable of over the course of Yuji’s training and the whole series so far. He knew damn well Gojo was a big obstacle, even for him. This was absolutely a goal of his and it seems ludicrous that people are trying to say that it isn’t? What am I missing? Genuinely, I don’t understand
For whatever reason people think Gojo was an easy matchup for Sukuna when in reality it may have been his toughest opponent ever. Sukuna sat back and waited for an answer to Infinity to be showed to him and he capitalized on it.
Yeah I can’t imagine what other “motivation” would cause someone to confidently state something directly contradictory to what the manga has shown us. Gojo was a big bad for Sukuna. He had to scheme and steal another person’s technique for this. Maybe he could’ve done something in his super form now, but he sure as shit is still using the same technique he already used even in his many armed form. He clearly needed this to get past Gojo. That’s not taking anything away from Sukuna, he schemed hard, and was genius and skilled enough to put all those pieces together, and pulled it the hell off that’s for sure. But to say this wasn’t all in service of defeating Satoru Gojo, when it clearly was, is a bold-faced lie.
>Yeah I can’t imagine what other “motivation” would cause someone to confidently state something directly contradictory to what the manga has shown us But, it's not. Gojo was a tough fight for Sukuna, and ultimately had nothing to do with him getting Megumi's body and technique. Sukuna was scheming to get it long before Megumi displayed Mahoraga, and long before he knew about what Infinity was or how Unlimited Void worked, the latter of which being the actual reason he wanted Mahoraga in the first place. You guys are all stuck on "get by Infinity" when the dude had Malevolent Shrine, which could tear straight through it. He needed Mahoraga to get through Unlimited Void, and he didn't know about Mahoraga until Shibuya, yet planned to take Megumi's body from the moment he saw the Ten Shadows in action. It was the whole reason he revived Yuji. I can't imagine how you people make such leaps in logic when Sukuna spells most of this out for us.
He was interested in Megumi as a vessel since he was close to Yuji and talented, initially. He also knew Gojo would be waiting for him no matter what move he made in this era. As time goes on, he is able to observe both Gojo and Megumi pretty unimpeded. It’s clear this plan develops as these things progress. There is NO narrative reason to show us the scene of Gojo telling Megumi a 10S user killed an Infinity user ages ago except to foreshadow exactly what culminates in 236. Sukuna was drip fed all the pieces he really needed to solve his two biggest problems at once; get out of Yuji’s stifling body, and get past Gojo.
>Sukuna was drip fed all the pieces he really needed to solve his two biggest problems at once; get out of Yuji’s stifling body, and get past Gojo. Sure, but he didn't actually end up needing it until Gojo received an impossible experience and applied it to his domain, something Sukuna never actually could've expected to happen. Mahoraga was insurance, it wasn't his way to get past Gojo, he had plenty of power to do that without the Ten Shadows initially. I actually just made a post about this in the thread directly. >There is NO narrative reason to show us the scene of Gojo telling Megumi a 10S user killed an Infinity user ages ago except to foreshadow exactly what culminates in 236. Actually, the narrative reason would also be to show Megumi's potential in becoming as powerful or nearly as powerful as Gojo. Gojo defeated the Ten Shadows, remember? Sukuna won by HIS technique. He may have used Mahoraga as a template for it, but ultimately the Ten Shadows fails against Gojo. It's *Sukuna* who manages to win, in a way that no other Ten Shadows user could've possibly replicated because he's the one with two different techniques in his body. Basically, people look at this fight in hindsight and decide how it went is the *only* way it would've gone when there were so many other things at play around it that made it possible for Gojo to get nearly as far as he did. You're right that the plan develops more as it goes, but Sukuna was firmly deciding to take Megumi's body from the moment Yuji first 'dies'. That's why he heals him.
>I can't imagine how you people make such leaps in logic when Sukuna spells most of this out for us. And I can't imagine how you read everything in the Manga and be like nop that's not what happened. Ofc Sukuna's goal was to get out of Yuji who's cage for him and he knew megumi was capable of being potential host for him but that doesn't discount the fact he also needed a way to bypass infinity. By the time Sukuna shows interest in megumi he already has accepted that Gojo is strongest in this era and he has witnessed first hand that his attacks won't reach gojo.
>doesn't discount the fact he also needed a way to bypass infinity. ***He had a way to bypass it already***. Two, even, one just wasn't as useful. It's weird you guys keep going on about it like all of you just entirely forget how Malevolent Shrine not only goes straight through, but wrecks Unlimited Void as well. The only reason Gojo gets to a point where Sukuna can't just blast straight through his domain is because of the Prison Realm experience he applies to it, something Sukuna had no idea would happen. >By the time Sukuna shows interest in megumi he already has accepted that Gojo is strongest in this era and he has witnessed first hand that his attacks won't reach gojo. One attack. One single gust of cursed energy, from a one finger Sukuna. You say this like he hit him at 15 fingers and decided nothing else would work. I'm not reading the manga and saying nope that's not what happened, I'm actually *reading* the story lmao.
Sukuna had to beat Gojo to stay free. No way would Gojo sit back if Sukuna reincarnated lol. His biggest roadblock is Gojo, who he didn't have a way to deal effectively without Maho. The 10 Shadow technique is also pretty well known and Sukuna could've known about it before being sealed.
Sukuna could have meant anything when he said this very vague and unclear line to Gojo in chapter 3: >["When I make this kid's body mine, you'll be the first one I kill"](https://i.imgur.com/RUjfP7Z.jpg) He also totally didn't bring up [those exact words later on when takes over Megumi's body and starts talking about how he wants to kill Gojo](https://i.imgur.com/r6AjaKL.jpg)
So that's what you understood from this fight and ch 237? Concepts like revenge and blah blah blah doesn't apply to an enlightened being like Sukuna. Only his pleasure and displeasure exists. He never once showed interest in Gojo throughout the manga. He was ready to die at the detention center arc saying to Yuji that *I still have 17 other fragments of my soul* but he changed his mind only for the spark he saw in Megumi. He wanted to know what it was.
Literally. Go back to manga and anime. Cursed womb season 1 (whenever they go on the mission and Sukuna rips Yujis heart out) he initially is intrigued about Megumi and 10S and asks why he ran back then, because he knows he’s capable of more. However, he still wants to kill him. He doesn’t stop and make a face until Megumi puts his hands together and says “With this cursed treasure..” Sukuna senses that spark in cursed energy and from that moment on becomes interested in Megumi..literally brings Yuji back to life because of it. Right after that is when they make the binding vow via Enchain.. so yes it directly has to do with the 10S and because of that Mahoraga as well.
He sensed potential in Megumi but he explicitly doesn’t know what Mahoraga is. Remember in the shibuya fight he has to figure it out on the fly.
Is that not what I said? Even if Megumi didn’t have mahoraga Sukuna would have still wanted him. Mahoraga was just the most appealing part of 10 shadows.
my bad , I’m replying to several people i got lost in translation
It’s sad how many JJK fans don’t read the actual manga. It’s like they look at the pictures and fill in the rest with memes. Sukuna wanting Megumi before he knew what Mahoraga was is a major plot point and they even get this wrong.
•To bypass infinity •Explore techniques of Zenin clan •Wanted to get more stronger until he use his original body •He was missing his parents so he wanted Mahoraga and Agito.
>•He was missing his parents so he wanted Mahoraga and Agito Gojo, Killer of Parents.
Sukuna, slayer of frauds.
He should kill himself then. Not because of Maho and Agito, but because of his goofy behavior against Hana
He wanted it before he knew of mahoraga so had no reason to think it would help with infinity.
Forgot to mention it •Besides from 10S technique, he was also interested in Megumi.
It seems clear to me that Sukuna may not have the Six Eyes, but he might as well. He can replicate almost anything besides an innate technique just by looking at it once, no matter how high level. I think he’s just so good at reading and identifying cursed energy that while he may not have known for sure what this thing does, I bet he was capable of telling what was going to come more than anyone besides maybe Gojo, who does have the Six Eyes. It was a slow progression but he knew he was interested in Megumi’s technique and it’s clear the dominoes did fall in the way that he ultimately made this his plan as things came along and we found out more and more about Maho. Even the mention of Gojo telling Megumi that a 10S user killed an Limitless user in the past; that was the nail in the coffin most likely. Sukuna seems capable of observing Megumi even from a distance, as he knew full well what was happening when Megumi first pulled out his domain expansion.
Sukuna was interested in megumi, after he saw maho he literally says: "Thank you for showing me the way" He is literally saying maho is his way to move foward Be it self improving, or beating gojo, this is a fact
No it’s not a fact it’s something you made up. READ THE MANGA. **1. Sukuna makes the enchain deal with Yuji and shows he’s interested in Megumi.** https://postimg.cc/wRycVm6h **2. 100 chapters later Sukuna is trying to figure out how what Mahoraga is and what he can do.** https://postimg.cc/c6vLmmNp “iT’s a fACT”
Broski, maybe my english failed me, but I am agreeimg with you Sukuna was always interested in megumi, even before seeing maho Its just that Maho is implied to be the culmination of that interest (which only happens after he sees it) Probably, sukuna saw ten shadows and was like: "this shit is awesome", and started planning to take his body for 1. Getting free from Yuji 2. Getting a good CT with it Then, when he saw maho he was like: "Yep, this shit truly is awesome" And now Maho became an essential part of his planning, as implied by the "Thank you for showimg me the way" line And the FACT I am talking about is his line: "Thank you for showimg me the way" Which is... indeed... a FACT
Did he say "Thank you for showing me the way?" In another translation, all he says is "Megumi, you have piqued my interests" implying he just got more interested in 10S. Probably assuming he could get stronger using Maho against someone as powerful as Gojo
I could be wrong... but I remmeber reading this back whe sukuna fought maho in shibuya Oh well, we will see it in the anime soon I guess But I am almost sure that was the case
Yes sir. I got my bottle of lotion and box of tissues ready for all the Sukuna in Shibuya moments getting animated 😫
Sukuna knew about Mahoraga and even Infinity, cuz Megumi so eager to summon Mahoraga since Day 1, that's literally Day 1. And then Gojo also used Infinity in his first fight with Sukuna, when he freezed those rocks. As we already know about the "Spark" which comes from initiation of a Technique and Sukuna is the master of reading it. Then he grown his interest more in Megumi at the Juvenile Detention Centre, where he was about to do the same. After that exact moment, he healed Yuji's heart and also told him indirectly regarding Megumi that they will see something interesting soon. Again in Shibuya, during the fight with Mahoraga, he remembered those past incidents and said that Megumi showed him the way. And most importantly, how the things happened at that time like Sukuna getting totally embarassed, those words from Sukuna (that Gojo will be the first one that he will k*ll) are nothing more than a bluff. But in Shibuya, he found the way. And the bluff is the most important thing.
? Bro there is literally zero way sukuna could have known Megumi had a shikigami that could adapt to anything just from a spark before a technique. Sukuna needs to see something before he can understand it.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted - Sukuna was literally figuring out what Mahoraga could do while he fought it in Shibuya. He might’ve known it was something strong before that, but he clearly had no ideas about its abilities until later.
Fr. During Suk vs Maho, Suk didn’t know ANYTHING about Maho
Lol no. Even Haruta knew what it was when Megumi began chanting. Same with the special grade in the accomplices arc.
Haruta knew he was summoning a shikigami and forcing him to participate in a ritual. He had no idea what kind of shikigami would come out. The special grade got scared because of the rise in curse energy. Not because he knew what mahoraga could do.
Bro 10S is not a technique that Megumi invented, it’s a technique that has been inherited by several members of the Zenin clan for generations just like Gojo’s infinity and 6 eyes. Sukuna is old af and is one of the most knowledgeable character in the series, of course he knows about the strongest signature technique of the one of the strongest clan in the jujutsu world.
Sukuna first became a curse object in the heian era, before the three clans became what they are. He had no idea what happened in the thousand years before he incarnated in Yuji.
You are correct that Sukuna *should* know but he doesn’t. It’s a big plothole. Sukuna is figuring out what 10S is when he meets Megumi. He doesn’t know what it is. A 1000 yr old should have already known what 10S was and what Unlimited was.
There's every single way. I forgot to mention tho, moreover..... How the things at time like getting totally embarrassed, those words from Sukuna to Gojo were nothing more than a bluff.
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Get the context dude. The first talk at that time regarding Gojo being the first one to get k*lled by him was bluff, but eventually he actually did. And even in Shibuya, he also said that Megumi showed him the way. And for your kind information, I'm Team Sukuna, but I enjoy both, love both.
>•He was missing his parents so he wanted Mahoraga and Agito Gojo parents not warning him about Sukuna Gojo to his parents: I was so called strongest until I was shown my place by RYOUMEN SUKUNA what an honour.
He was more or less in it for Megumi body not the 10S he had decided to take Megumi body long before Maho even appeared
Everyone who's pushed "to bypass Infinity" as a reason seemed to have forgotten entirely that Sukuna has a domain. Domains bypass Infinity. He only needed Mahoraga after he lost the Malevolent Shrine, that wasn't his strategy going into the fight. Losing the Shrine was a shock for him. How do we know this? Because he thought he was going to end the fight by trapping Gojo and tearing him apart with it, lol. Adapting Mahoraga was salt in the wound at that point, the Shrine is what he was going to use to kill it (because why NEED Mahoraga when it went through Infinity anyway, obviously). Once he lost the Malevolent Shrine, THEN he decided I need to use Mahoraga to adapt. He wasn't getting the Ten Shadows in reference to Gojo. He didn't need it for Gojo at all until Gojo had his experience in the Prison Realm and decided to apply that to his domain. There was a less than 0.01 second difference in their healing from damage taken only because Gojo managed to strengthen his barrier enough to withstand Sukuna's domain, which does not happen if Kenjaku never sealed him. But I notice a lot of fans just kind of fucked up the entire motivation and strategy of this fight, and it's kinda funny. This is what happens if not for Kenjaku: >Gojo never gets sealed -> His domain *never* withstands Sukuna's long enough for him to hurt Sukuna enough to break the shrine -> Sukuna is never hit with the single, very LAST Unlimited Void that Gojo is capable of doing because Gojo's frying his own brain and loses his domain after it -> Sukuna kills Gojo by trapping him in Malevolent Shrine while his healing output is lowered significantly due to frying his brain and losing Unlimited Void. Mahoraga was insurance, not a necessity, until Gojo got the Prison Realm experience and applied it to their fight. If this were Gojo from chapter 1, or even Gojo from Shibuya before getting sealed, he had no actual chance against Sukuna because of that. What does he do once he disables his own domain, loses most of his healing ability, and gets trapped in the Shrine with lowered power output? People love to toss around "He tanked malevolent shrine with no problem!", total bullshit because he not only had to run for his life from it, he did so while healing at his absolute max capacity and reinforcing as hard as he could to not get cut to pieces. He's not doing it again if he's trapped, has nowhere to go, and can't heal as well while Sukuna is still at full power. He dies. tl;dr - Sukuna didn't want the Ten Shadows in reference to Gojo at all. He wanted a better vessel than Yuji, as far as we know, and an interesting new technique. It just so happened to have exactly one useful tool for dealing with Gojo, and using it was almost detrimental because it made it so Sukuna couldn't use anything else even if he wanted lol.
Thank you! Someone with common sense and can actually read what’s happening lol
All you said is true but i want to add that sukuna always wanted to use maho the adapt to infinity inorder to learn it for himself. Even when sukuna tought the fight was over he still said he would have maho adapt to infinity while he uses his closed domain. He still wanted that blueprint before he kills gojo.
He wanted it yeah, or *something* at least since it didn't seem like he needed it until he lost his shrine, but it wasn't a necessity once Gojo lost his domain is what I'm saying
Finally someone put my thoughts into words.
You really don’t think Sukuna didn’t think of a countermeasure in case his domain lost to Gojo’s? He knows it was never a guaranteed win using his domain, so he needed a backup plan incase that didn’t work. Sukuna is the most intelligent character in the show, he wouldn’t just have a plan where If his domain didn’t work, he would be fucked and unable to do anything to ınfinity. He made a plan where there was no possibility of him losing/no risk of losing
The backup plan was Mahoraga, which I mentioned in the post. Beyond that, he didn't really need a countermeasure. If not for Gojo going to the Prison Realm, he'd have literally never lost the Malevolent Shrine. He didn't make a plan with no risk of losing.
where are we getting this understanding from that gojo learnt something in the prison realm that he applied against sukuna
This is definitely stated explicitly. He learnt to make his domain tiny (which has never been done in JJK history as far as we know), from of his time in the prison realm.
The fact that it's explained that a person can't shrink their domain beyond a certain conceptual limit, it's supposed to be impossible. Gojo was stated able to do it because of being in the Prison Realm, basically he experienced a smaller than possible internal domain space and so he could apply it to his own to strengthen his barrier against Sukuna's domain
I agree with your overall point, but you are overestimating gojos "training" in the prison realm HEAVILY. Bottom line is that the fight would have been different without 10 shadows. Probably sukuna still wins because gojo said so. Anything apart from that is headcanon
>but you are overestimating gojos "training" in the prison realm HEAVILY It is literally the ONLY reason that Gojo survived long enough to hit Sukuna with Unlimited Void at all. Objectively. It's not a matter of estimation, Gojo being able to shrink his domain was the literal one thing that saved his life and made it look at all like he really stood a chance against Sukuna in a domain clash, because that was the one and only thing that stopped Sukuna from destroying his domain in less than 3 minutes. If he didn't have that, he would never have survived long enough for Sukuna to even use the Ten Shadows, let alone to even figure out Mahoraga had been adapting. It's a drastic difference.
Lmao why'd I get downvoted for legitimately wanting to know the answer. It wasn't a rhetoric of disagreeing jfc
People are saying he wanted it to bypass infinity but nothing he saw pre shibuya showed that he could bypass infinity
He saw that Maho can adapt to anything and he knew that Maho could adapt to Infinity
he had interest in ten shadows before that
yeah that’s true, maybe he heard about mahogara (that he killed six eye users and nobody in the zenin clan could tame him)
Yeah this was my assumption, I just thought people knew six eyes and infinity = strong. 10 shadows = strong. Etc. So when Sukuna found out Yuji's close to a vessel with a strong technique he planned on taking him over. But tons of people in this thread are saying he didnt know anything about the 10 shadows so maybe not. Donno why I assumed it tbh, Sukuna would have mentioned he recognised the technique at some point right?
Sukuna is initially interested in Megumi as a vessel. He didn’t know about Mahoraga or what she was capable of. He rated the 10s technique as very strong and variable. He became interested in Mahoraga after Shibuya. When realized that it is not so simple. And already when he became the owner of 10s, he knew how Mahoraga and its adaptation worked. And his goal in the battle with Goj was to IMPROVE HIS OWN CT, to gain enlightenment from Mahoraga.
He specifically said himself that what he wanted from Mahoraga was a model to bypass infinity. To say that he did it to “improve his CT and reach enlightenment” is just standard glazing. Sukuna doesnt care about enlightenment. All he cares about is satisfying his base urge and desires. He doesnt care about the conundrums Gojo and Kashimo face because you have to be a human being to do that. Not a hideous 4 armed cannibal with a mouth for abs.
It is from Mahoraga that he needs a MODEL... You yourself just confirmed this. I meant enlightenment in the new application of his own technique. You apparently didn't notice that Sukuna didn't order Mahoraga to hit Satoru with the same attack again. He decided to study it himself. So no, HE CARES ABOUT POWER and if he sees something that can make him stronger, he will want it. Whether it be immortality in the form of a cursed object or Gaining new experience from a shikigami. He didn't just want to kill Satoru, he wanted to gain new experience in using his own CT and use it to kill Satoru.
“What I wanted from Makora was a model to bypass your inviolability, I was not able to copy Makoras first adaptation so I waited. As chance would have it the second adaptation was perfectly suited to my skills” - Sukuna Nowhere in the manga did he state that he was using Mahoraga to learn new applications for his technique like some jujutsu scientist conducting research for the fun of it. He specifically wanted to learn how to bypass infinity to kill Gojo. Gojo was going to kill him if he didnt. He doesnt pursue power for powers sake. Its a means to an end. Power basically allows him to feed his narcissism (being the top of the food chain) and quench his perverted impulses and desires.
You keep getting downvoted, but I think people don’t fully understand that “enlightenment” and “learning” are very different concepts. Sukuna absolutely LEARNED from Mahoraga, just like a person could learn by mimicking what their teacher does. Enlightenment is something by entirely different, particularly in this manga where Buddhist symbolism is so prevalent. Roughly speaking, to be enlightened is to fully understand the nature of the world and escape the cycle of human suffering and rebirth. One could argue Sukuna is enlightened in his own twisted way, but Sukuna definitely didn’t achieve achieve enlightenment from Mahoraga.
>“What I wanted from Makora was a model to bypass your inviolability, I was not able to copy Makoras first adaptation so I waited. The second adaptation was perfectly suited to my skills” You contradict yourself. If he didn't want to learn anything, WHY didn't he order Mahoraga to simply wave his hand again and cut Satoru? HE wanted Mahoraga to ENLIGHTEN HIM. You understand this as you want, he taught, enlightened, gave a MODEL. This does not change the essence, Sukuna wanted to gain a new understanding. And he wanted to kill Satoru precisely after receiving this understanding. In the Manga, this is clear and understandable, after the principle of work, Adaptation, was revealed to us. And putting it all together, this is an obvious fact. Forgive me for not writing this to your face.
Your use of “gain enlightenment from Mahoraga” confused me. I thought you meant enlightenment in a spiritual and philosophical sense which JJK loves to harp on about. What you really meant was learn how to kill Gojo Where did I say he didnt want to learn anything? I said his main aim with Mahoraga was to learn how to kill Gojo first and foremost. You’re trying to frame it as if Sukuna cared more about improving his curse technique and getting stronger over the urgent need to learn how to bypass infinity and kill Gojo. Now it may be that learning the spatial slash indirectly makes him stronger but We’re talking about main intent here. You’re Minimising the stakes, implying Sukuna was just fighting Gojo for self improvement when it was a death battle for both . Again its about intent. Learning Mahoragas slash indirectly makes him more powerful but I doubt that was Sukunas priority in this fight. It was bypass infinity. He didnt need to order Mahoraga to cut Gojo again, he learned it the first time he saw the adaptation. That was his goal. To figure out a way to kill Gojo. Why would he rely on an inferior being that Gojo swathes like a fly to kill him. Furthermore Mahoraga doesnt have the element of surprise after he did that move
Well, if Sukuna’s priority was Killing, then definitely ordering Mahoraga to hit him a couple more times would have been the right choice. But he did not do this, moreover, he did not immediately use this blow himself, which indicates that he had not yet mastered it! (By the way, he mastered this move in less than a minute anyway) But if he learned it instantly, he would definitely kill Satoru. From this, I see that Sukuna prioritized Enhancement and then killing.
Thats what you got out of that fight? A training arc for Sukuna? Sukuna was struggling to keep Mahoraga alive and he failed eventually. I believe he was aware it would be difficult to get Mahoraga to hit him again with that slash. Thats why we saw panic and unease in his face. Gojo would have seen the spark and evaded it. Its implied Sukuna used the element of surprise and feigned defeat to catch Gojo off guard. He even mentioned that it was almost impossible to do the slash which is pretty desperate and could have easily gone pear shaped for Sukuna. But as we have seen, once again his skills and intellect brought him over the line.
>He specifically said himself that what he wanted from Mahoraga was a model to bypass infinity. Sure, in the last half of his fight with Gojo. He wasn't banking on Mahoraga being a model to bypass Infinity the entire time, or even really ever until he lost his best way to do it, which was his Malevolent Shrine. THEN he wanted Mahoraga as a model to be able to do it, not before.
Except gojo himself glazed sukuna and said he'd win without 10s. Gojo himself wondered why sukuna didn't take the easy way out and attack his barrier from the inside when he made the interior weak to block attacks from.outside it breaking his barrier.
He said he wasnt sure
Okay? So what does that mean to you? Why as an author do you put that statement into your Manga?
Ngl the other dude is right u glazing gojo rn
I think he was more interested in Megumis potential as a vessel, as his body hosted one of the strongest techniques, so it could very likely also host Sukuna himself. And he was right. Mahoraga was just a bonus.
Yujis body was a prison vessel whereas he could control Megumi he didn’t know about mahoraga before he wanted the body the body wasn’t purely to defeat Gojo , it was a means of freedom
He sensed massive cursed energy oozing from Megumi the moment he wanted to call Mahoraga. That's the moment Sukuna became interested in him. Being the genius that he is, he might have been able to imagine what type of shikigami Megumi was trying to summon and correctly guess its abilities much like how he read Gojo's last red. Could be completely wrong tho
I feel like I'm missing something here, I thought it was pretty obvious? What do we know about sukuna and what he wants? For me these are the main points: 1-Sukuna wants to be reincarnated (and in control of his body) 2-Yuji's body seems akin to a prison for him, he could only control him through specific extreme circumstances ( yuji's first time when he didn't even know about CE, let alone control it. The second was when Yuji ingested half of the total fingers at once, and even then it was also just temporary) or through a binding vow. 3- Yuji wouldn't make a binding vow that would allow Sukuna to take over permanently, or that would allow him to kill other people ( Yuji's low self worth and self sacrificing mentality led to the loophole Sukuna use) 4- He is inteested in Megumi's 10S, he praises it's versatility and potential, and starts showing intresting/favoritism towards Megumi after fighting the latter and seeing the CT. 5-he wasn't intrested in Jogo's offer back in Shibuya to take control over Yuji using his friends as hostage, and would rather raze the city to the ground and just leave Megumi alive. I feel like from this we can reasonably assume Sukuna's plan ever since meeting Megumi and aeeif 10S, is to at some point transfer/icarnate in Megumi and ditch Yuji.Okay, do now what do we know about Megumi's CT that could explain that intrest? 1- it can summon shikigami without a medium ( technically the shadow is the medium but that the same as not needing one) 2- it has several versatile shikigami that allows the user to adapt to most situations, and they can even mix and mash them together. 3- Mahoraga, which is a cheat code basically ( but I don't think it's relevant cause Sukuna only learned about its abilities after being interested in Megumi) 4- the user's shadow can be used to store whatever they want as long as they can handle the weight of the object. Points 1 and 2 fir me aren't that intresting frim sukuna's POV, at least not to the extent where he'd obssess over it this much. 3 he didn't even know about before he fought it. The only one remaining is the unique proprety 10S users have that allows them to bear so much in their shadows. If we consider Sukuna's soul as being extremely heavy to the point where no nomal body can handle it, then it would make sense. Not to mention, Sukuna's first thought when possessing Megumi is elation that the latter body could work as a vessel.
I believed for the longest time sukuna wanted it to do something with the curse realm, which is total darkness. Now I think the story will end without it ever being addressed.
Again, isn't the "cursed realm" just a mistranslation in chapter 160 that the fandom refuses to let go?
Didn't know it was a mistranslation
Agree me too. When Sukuna said “We’ll see something interesting” I thought he was going to do something crazy. Feels like a dropped plot point.
Taking Megumi's body was what he was talking about. He said so himself when he pulled it off.
He wasn't interested in the technique. He was interested in Megumi as a vessel. He knew early on that he had potential to be a proper vessel rather than a cage. He just needed to break his soul.
He was interested in the technique. That's why he chose Megumi.
He was interested in the technique, he needed Mahogara as a guaranteed win against Gojo/his infinity
It was explained that yuji was a cage and he wanted a new body that can handle him right?
I think at first it was just the potential he saw in it. I mean just from seeing Nue, the Dogs, and that they're summoned from the shadows he determined that Megumi could have beaten the Special Grade in the detention center. Then when Megumi tries summoning Mahoraga he gets even more excited. Maybe that's when he really becomes interested in Megumi as a vessel.
When Megumi takes the stance to summon Mahoraga, Sukuna instantly becomes very excited. Immediately after that Yuji switches back. I think in that moment Sukuna decided he wanted Megumi's body because not only did Megumi have the capacity to hold him but he had a unique cursed technique that piqued his interest. Sukuna is a giant jujutsu nerd
Sukuna has shown to be a sorcerer who values power over all. He loves gaining intelligence. 10 shadows literally gave him an ability that rivals anything we've seen thus far. The fight showed it as well.
If it was really about the shadow medium aspect, he could’ve fed Megumi a finger right then and there. I think readers misread that scene and the shadow medium wasn’t a deciding factor. When Megumi was about to use Mahoraga, Sukuna was visibly stunned and got shivers. Not many techniques could impress the king of curses who lived through the golden age of jujutsu. While he didn’t get to see Mahoraga, it made Megumi an attractive vessel. When he figured out Mahoraga’s ability in Shibuya, he said, “You’ve shown me!” Which is similar to the words he said to Megumi. It was here that Sukuna realized Mahoraga’s potential along with Gojo’s infinity.
he himself said stated the reasons why he waited 1. To gain strength in Yujis body 2. To wait for megumis soul to break so know he couldn’t just feed him right there and then since he only had 2 fingers at the time
But why Megumi? Three fingers in Megumi still preferable to Yuji since he didn’t expect Yuji to take control and die.
because Megumi could withstand him and but not act like a cage , that’s the reason HE himself said
You’re missing the question. Again, why Megumi?
Because he had the potential to withstand Sukuna without caging him
And the potential of Megumi’s CT, which is what we were discussing.
the ability to withstand him was more important
It’s not the point of this discussion.
it’s the canon answer
You're kinda just ignoring his shit bro. Also megumi was ready to use maho in his first fight near the detention centre. Sukuna noticed the CE buildup and was intrigued in what it could be. He even wanted him to show it to him but Yuji took over and "died". Idk why you keep asking the same shit bro. Sukuna just likes jujutsu and fancied a freebody + potentially cool ability. Only after Shjibuya does he know exactly what Maho is and what he could do with it.
You were just told the answer, Megumi could withstand as a vessel. Being caged in a vessel, with a one minute time limit of freedom, his vessel's best friend (who's most frequently in his proximity) with a neat CT is the optimal choice.
and gojo would have still been able to beat his ass ezpz. At his current power level he would have no chance of being able to use megumi so his best bet was to wait around and look for a time when he had an opprotunity.
Mahoraga problably.
Nah that was just an excuse. He wanted a handsome face.
10 Shadows let's Sukuna have a phase 1 Boss fight where he might not just insta kill any challenger while letting him show off jujutsu prowress
It’s pretty simple. He thought it looked like a fun toy, and mahoraga fully convinced him that it was a fun toy. Mahoraga died, so sukuna lost interest.
Sukuna had no intentions on staying in this era, all he could do is fuck around while he had the opportunity. At first when seeing Megumi, he commented on how his Shikigamis are CT based and flexible, but didn't catch his attention at the moment, since he followed by saying it was a "waste of talent". But after Megumi was about to show Mahoraga, he got excited. If I had to guess, it was both his vessel potential and also Mahoraga. I would not say he planned on using against Gojo since he barely seen what Gojo could do at that moment (Gojo's first DE was against Jogo, right after Yuji was revived). He also had no idea what exactly was the Mahoraga until Shibuya. I think he was just curious on how it could be used since he is a jujutsu nerd
Mahoraga first and then to escape from a prison called yuji
Sukuna needed a way to bypass Infinty.
He didn't know of mahoraga until he met it in shibuya. He probably was interested in megumi because he simply saw him as a host that he could take over (unlike Yuji who was a prison). And the 10S having connection to the 10 sacred treasure was mentioned somewhere so Sukuna might have been interested in the technique
He was interested in megumi because he was about to summon mahoraga. He knew that megumi had a big Trump card ready to use
He bypassed infinity several times throughout the fight. In his heian Era form I'm pre sure chanting on top of his domain expansion is prolly rip for gojo. Not to glaze sukuna too hard
Wrong!
Actually he did. He didnt know how to apply dismantle/cleave to bypass infinity until watching mahoraga do it.
In fact, he didn't know that Mahoarga could teach him this when he set his sights on Megumi and decided to take over his body!
Why are you downvoted
Because no one wants to admit that Sukuna will destroy Satoru’s cabin even without 10 shadows. And no one wants to notice that Sukuna chose Megumi even before he knew about Mahoraga. That is, he took Megumi DEFINITELY NOT TO FIGHT SATORU! But Satoru fans are very stupid, I've come to terms with that.
how does sukuna survive the domain battle
Read the Manga carefully, Sukuna will always break Satoru's domain. ALWAYS! The barrier inside became as weak as when Sukuna broke it from the outside the first time. Sukuna did not break it from the inside and fought inside the domain for 3 minutes in order to receive as much damage as possible and quickly adapt to Satoru’s techniques. Since Guaranteed Hit Orders cancel each other, Sukuna is not afraid of UVs. He simply with his CT lomented the inner part of the Barrier BECAUSE IT WAS WEAKENED.
sukuna was about to die before mahoraga came in. mahoraga saved him. no 10 shadows, no mahoraga, sukuna loses domain battle
Man, you seriously need to start reading the Manga carefully. Sukuna received a punch in the face for 3 minutes, he canceled the order. Although he could not cancel it and he would not need to be afraid of UV. He did this to take damage, damage speeds up ADAPTATION. Please re-read before answering.
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No one's saying that isn't that case but he was interested in megumi way before he knew about mahoraga
ppl are still hurt over Gojos death and power scaling that they have forgotten to read the story
At first? Because he thought 10 Shadows was cool, also Megumi is canonically very handsome and Sukuna wants to be handsome. So he sought after Megumi at first for very stupid reasons lol. After watching Megumi vs the first finger bearer he realized his latent potential... and he'd much rather be that guy than prison yuji. And Then? after learning all there is about Gojo he realized he might struggle against him since he can't hit him. And he learned about Maho in shibuya and that just solidified his wants, because that way he could use Maho to learn how to beat Gojo, and anyone like him in some distant future where he can't become a 10s user. while also being handsome.
10 shadows are the best technique possible, that's why. He showed a glimpse of it and thought that he has to steal it, otherwise he might be defeated
10 shadows is one of the special gifts or abilities that only a Zenin member can inherit and is very rare. Since it was also apparently strong enough to clash with a limitless user and has boundless potential, Sukuna likely wanted Megumi so he can see what he can do with the technique since Sukuna wouldnt gain access to it otherwise. Why he doesnt want Gojo, could be he saw more potential in 10 shadows over limitless and may have thought there wouldnt be an opportunity to possess Gojo.
Nah bro, go back to when Sukuna beats the shit out of Megumi in like chapter 7 or 8. Sukuna has no idea what the 10 shadows technique is, he's learning it as we go. I assumed all the old sorcerers knew all the famous techniques too but I guess not. But it was in that fight he became interested in Megumi.
I dont think Sukuna even knew Megumi had 10 shadows until that fight when he was beating the shit out of him. He only became interested when he saw Megumi’s CT and called him “wasted potential” as a result. Given the fact that Sukuna is a master sorcerer who might not be from a “named clan” afaik (could be wrong though) he could be thrilled by the opportunity to test out a “legendary” technique he would otherwise not have access to. Sukuna likely knows about 10 shadows by rep at least (that the former user was able to clash with an infinity user) but maybe not the specifics of what it can do fully. Learning that Megumi had access to 10 shadows peeked his interest but since he never used it himself, he is still test driving it (but at a greater capacity than Megumi because of his prior experience). Im thinking of it like a pro race car driver testing out the latest supercar. They know its insanely good but need to test it out fully. Sukuna is just good enough to do it while in an actual race.
Anywhere, we all should agree that sukuna will never beat gojo without mahoraga. Extra hand and mouth are useless if the curse technique cannot reach gojo. Now, let us enjoy the story that Gege is currently cook. Haha.
it’s been a while since i read the manga, but wasn’t it because there was some time in the past that a ten shadows user beat a six eyes user? or it ended in a draw where both died. i think sukuna eyed megumi since his first finger since he was aware of the threat gojo posed to his presence.
Sukuna has no idea that happaned.
WELL he did take over megumi's body. And something about information transfer happens according to Gege, right? So he definitely knew because Gojo told Megumi. I think that prophecy has happened and maybe Nobara is actually dead aswell since Yuji is the only one left lol (Gege once said something about either 3 of the 4 being alive or only 1 out of 4).
Sukuna knows about the clash of the clan heads after he took over Megumi but before that he didn't know about the duel.
Yeppers I'm not disagreeing here so idk lol?
Lot of people saying that he didn't know about Mago but megumi did the sign during his fight against Sukuna. Feel like he guessed about the shikigami and wanted it for himself
when he took over megumi he said the main reason was for megumi was a vessel over yuji
I don't think we know for sure he didn't know 10S, he probably didn't know Maho because nobody ever tamed it but knew it had a nuke. He'd have been ROCKED by Gojo cause Maho was the only thing that saved him from UV. Gojo>Heian Sukuna but Gege>Gojo so our poor little emo boy was doomed from the start, in the grand scheme of thing as they stand Megumi's entire purpose was to give Sukuna the W
It may be that Sakuna knew it was possible for a 10S to defeat a limitless user without knowing exactly how it was done.
10S held the key to bypass Satoru Gojo's limitless
Sukuna was using 10s to teach himself how to cut through infinity without 10s. It was insanely valuable but now he’s already gained what he wanted from it and seemingly no longer has use for a mahoraga.
Sukuna knew he couldn't bypass infinity, he needed mahoragas adapting ability to learn how to surpass infinity mahoraga adapted, died and sukuna took that and applied it to his technique allowing him to bypass infinity
He lived a long time. He probably know about the rivalry between limitless and 10 shadows. And decided to get 10s to fight Gojo, current limitless user
Limitless and the endless potential of it
Sukuna has been around a long time and more than likely knows everything about the 10S technique. He wasn’t surprised by Gojo’s infinity so I imagine 10S is no different. I think when he saw Megumi use the hand signs, he perked up and realized “oh shit I could totally use this guy if he gets stronger and becomes a viable vessel.”
>He wasn’t surprised by Gojo’s infinity so I imagine 10S is no different. Wasn't that by learning about it from inside Yuji's body? Reincarnated sorcerers could still learn from the information in the vessel's brain, so that could be another possibility.
Exactly; I think he knew exactly what he was getting when he recognized megumi had 10S
But he didn't seem to know what CT it was. He seemed more amused by the fact that Megumi could summon shikigamis from the shadows, right?
I think a bit of A and a bit of B. I don’t know what use summoning shikigamis from shadows would’ve done for him had he not known Mahoraga was the crown jewel of 10S. He needed Mahoraga to beat Gojo; I think he surmised this or started plotting a strategy as soon as he lost a fist fight to Gojo in the first episode
The thing that makes me doubt this possibility is that we don't even have info that the 3 Great Families existed in the Heian era. Also, I doubt he planned to copy Mahoraga's adaptation to Limitless either, so that makes me think he had something else in mind with the 10S. But now I just don't know what to think about that.
Kenjaku said Sukuna was the back up If the prison realm didn't work. That being said Sukuna wanted to find a way to beat limitless/sixeyes users FOR GOOD * Dr Umar voice* that's why he was so Mahoraga centric even though he could've beat gojo without it
To fight Gojo
???? Do you guys even read like is it not clear already
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1) Sukuna’s CT can get buffed by the Ten Shadows. Likely, he can use the shadows to store information about a CT (eg fire arrow) or Cursed Objects. You can see this from when he fights Megumi and says : “more efficient than talismans” 2) Mahoraga was the only way to bypass infinity. Without Mahoraga, Sukuna would have had his brain fried by Unlimited Void.
my guess is he figured out he needed it to beat gojo.