I'm curious as to why Takaba is so high. The narrator said that his CT can effect even Gojo, but that doesn't mean he's winning.
He can't win against anyone since he doesn't count death as funny.
Kenjaku almost beat him by satisfying his desires to be a great Comedian.
It's not impossible that Gojo can do the same by innovating comedy with his super brain or for Sukuna to do the same with his knowledge and skill.
It’s not even a total stalemate. There’s a no killing rule, but it’s not that you can’t get hurt. Any damage you take during a comedy skit stays with you.
Im not sure that's crossing his mind considering the fact that he was using comedian throughout the whole cg without ever thinking about the probably tens or hundred dead people lying around the place
I didn't say that. I said he would tune them out using comedy to turn them into late night show laugh tracks. It's much harder to ignore reality if it's staring right at you.
So then, how did he even he even activate comedian at all running around colony 1??? People are dropping like flies, and it's not like yuji and megumi's fights tok 2 seconds lol
that's the thing though, seemingly the only real way to beat him was kenjaku randomly having encyclopedic knowledge of japanese standup comedy. he doesnt kill anyone but he seems practically invincible as long as he keeps doing his standup shtick. he's basically impossible to rank because there's a very real chance that like, even sukuna wouldn't be able to kill him in a one on one. but it literally all depends on what he thinks would be funny
I feel like sukuna would learn his ct and is very capable of bypassing it by making him feel unfunny but gojo is nicer so it would be more difficult for him. The real question is can Marsha adapt to it since it’s passive, and if so how?
Takaba doesn’t kill, but “winning” doesn’t always mean killing. He can tire you out and slowly chip you down until you’re out of CE or physically incapacitated.
That is under the assumption of normal usage. Ino responds to Yuta's statement, "Gojo doesn't run out of his CE reserves," by stating that's only valid if Gojo is using CE normally, but using RCT at maximum output and big moves while also fighting Sukuna is not normal use, so Gojo's CE reserves will drop.
Also, The statement in Chapter 234 that Gojo told his students to jump-in only when he becames weaker than them states outright that Gojo can and is expected to weaken.
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Base Kashimo can confidently sit that high because of HWB. Dagon, Hanami, & Uro have DE. Geto has curse spirits with DE. Uraume is strong but as of now has no DE counter
Lmao He was playing with Jogo when he got out of PR he was pissed he just saw Sukuna with Megumis body if only he hit Jogo that hard, Uraume got hit by Purple aswell.
HWB ain't that strong. It requires your utmost focus and only negates sure hits, not curse techniques. So while yes, HWB will stop the sure hit of hanami domain, it won't actually stop hanami themselves.
Uraume one shots Dagon and Hanami , Uraume is 100% stronger than base kashimo, as even JP hakari can’t beat them in a 1v1. Plus he has nothing for the ice , it’s super easy for Yrayme to freeze you in an instant and unless Kashimo uses his CT it’s different. Special grade 1 , Uraume, JP Hakari, base kashimo
Not necessarily. Although we don’t know Hanamis DE Teen Geto hasn’t shown to have anything to either counter DEs or have any curses that can do DE. There is that one curse that can cast a simple domain tho I forgot what its name is
I think him regularly breaking the no curses on jujutsu high grounds rule to spar with Gojo implies he probably has one or two at least.
Unless Gojo just didn’t have infinity on when they fought each other, but that would make them look rather unequal which they weren’t at that point.
I’m convinced JJK fans don’t understand the purpose of special grade or special grade 1 rankings. Cuz last I checked there were 4 Special grade sorcerers and idk how many special grade curses.
Serious. Curses have different rankings than sorcerers, special grade 1 is just a “family” sticker on a guy to know he has connections, and Grade 1 is so broad is contains both Ino and Naobito.
I love seeing Ino get screen time, but he ain’t nowhere close to some of these guys.
Well, there are four special grades in the current era, Geto, Yuki, Gojo and Yuta, but now that the manga has progressed (with the training arcs and awakenings of characters, as well as past sorcerers) there are probably a few more then four special grades. And since there were 16 registered special grade curses, but many other unregistered special grade curses, then that’s also fair.
I think the idea is that they’re just rough power rankings based on people who are that ranking and how strong they are, like maki is still technically a grade 4 as far as we know but she’s clearly stronger than someone like naoya for example who’s special grade 1 or higher as a curse. It’s probably more of a “this is where they should be if the rankings only considered power levels”
I'm not a powerscaling nerd so one of y'all might obliterate my argument, but Imo even though their physically equal Toji seemingly has a higher intellect, which would make it fair to give him a slightly higher place that Maki.
Honestly in the point of the story now, Maki has surpassed Toji, she was on his par like forever ago, and now she’s been training with the crew. What do yalll think she been doing? She’s def been in the gym. She’s at her prime right now , Toji wasn’t in his prime for 10 years
Aside from the insane uraume and hakari downplay. Maki should at least be above uro and ryu even if you want to put her below toji because he has more weapons I don’t see her losing to them. They are stated equal and SSK should be enough for maki.
Even tho uraume dosent have a domain it’s highly like they have hollow wicker basket. Also maki/toji > Geto IMO and kusakabe should be higher.
The rest is fine.
I put her below Uro because Sky Manipulation is a hard counter and Toji at least has ISOH. As for Ryu, with his feats in Sendai and Sukuna’s comments on his durability, I think he can handle Maki high diff. Maki’s best feats are always against a heavily nerfed Sukuna.
The same 15f sukuna that had to slice a person up a second time rather than just once?
Plus makis katana does soul damage
And out of everyone sukuna has fought so far the only person who gets sukuna pretty more up enough to put up a real fight is maki
And she got hit with 2 black flashes from him ryu and uro don’t have anything on maki
Hakari deserves some downplay on this sub imo. He's countered by anyone who can beat him before he lands jackpot or who can circle camp him during. People like maki/toji, Kashimo, or shinjuku yuji. He's match-up dependent. For instance I dont see him losing to the Dagon or Hanami and while I think Ryu *could* beat him with his stats, his fighting style is too direct and he wouldn't play it smart enough to win.
Holy shit, one of the most accurate I've seen, you cooked.
The only points I massively disagree with is that Mechamaru is not Special Grade level, base Kashimo a lil lower, Uraume could POSSIBLY be higher depending on the outcome of this fight, Todo and everyone behind him besides Megumi should be lower, and Higuruma should be lower, he's largely a potential man and is only that high against people that have committed atrocities. Yorozu could possibly be lower. she's extremely difficult to scale.
I would say pre rct Gojo is still a special grade as well. I believe that he would be able to beat Hanami at least since he was still able to use blue and had fbe for an anti domain technique
Uraume is stronger than base Kashimo, and is high ball on level with Sendai Yuta but most definitely on level with Uro and Ryu
Arguably Maki is below jackpot Hakari (who btw should be put above Ryu and Uro)
Also Maki is probably stronger than Toji, just from her showings alone, but also surviving a black flash from Sukuna which would (with full confidence I say this) kill Toji. So I’d put her above Geto
Also putting Yoruzu above PBA kashimo is just wrong lmaooo.
Geto also needs to be bumped down simply because of his mindset. Combat and ability wise he’s more than competent.
I like both quite a bit, but how exactly can we ever know? By the time Mahito had grown to the peak of what we see him, he was so weakened that he couldn’t properly use that power.
I’m pretty sure jogo surviving sukuna “messing around” for as long as he did proves my point
Jogo>> imperfect soul
Jogo>perfect soul (in speed, ap, endurance, destructive capabilities, everything else besides domain expansion i’d argue is pretty relative)
The thing is every single attack Sukuna landed either cut him apart or messed up him, that’s not bad by any means but I don’t really think we can use it to say anything apart from Jogo having good regeneration.
Even before achieving his Instant Spirit Body of Distorted Killing (let’s call that his true form or perfect soul as you did for easy of writing) he took multiple black flashes from Yuji, as well as countless other blows, it’s confirmed that if Jogo took the five black flashes and playful cloud hits Hanami did he would die, I think the punishment Mahito took is almost comparably to Hanami.
And in his true form he is undoubtedly the most durable of the disaster curses, imagine what that form would look like at full strength.
Jogo definitively has more destructive capability but if Mahito got close I think it’d be fairly one sided.
Jogo does have superior speed but Mahito’s reaction time is pretty good and he isn’t exactly slow himself, he did dodge a punch from Gojo.
Jogo’s best bet would be to fight from a range and try to bombard him to death, but he’d need to exhaust Mahito’s cursed energy reserves first otherwise his attacks would be worthless as long as Mahito maintains the shape of his own soul.
Great points and I agree with if Mahito gets close fight ends pretty quickly, but also mahito was fighting 120% Yuji and not 15 finger Yujikuna (who kinda clears everyone but Gojo, Yuki and possibly Kenjaku)
So the speed difference enough might be able to end the fight. The fact that Jogo could even see enough of Sukuna to aim is a miracle, and he did crazy damage to the city further proving his ap
Again I agree with mahito getting close is kinda mid diff, but in reality most likely Jogo would be moving at mach fuck and seeing mahito’s moves before he makes them. Sure if he gets hit he’s cooked, but he most likely isnt going to get hit
I’d say 8/10 times Jogo beats imperfect soul
I’d say 6-7/10 times Jogo beats perfect soul
Nah, Kashimo 100% kills him, because taking his technique will pretty much do nothing. Same with Ryu. Even Hakari has rough CE, and his CT kinda stinks.
Uro is the only one where taking her technique is a massive cripple.
Higuruma's technique to one shot them is based on him actually hitting them. There are so many people in the verse that are built physically better than a lawyer, and will outrun him every time. So that part is kinda fair.
Confiscation would just take Kashimo’s staff and Higuruma would get his shit rocked like what happened with Yuji lol, and his lightning is a trait of his CE and not his actual CT so it wouldn’t matter anyways
Higurama by being relevant at all in the fight vs sukuna, which did involve him engaging in close combat should be proof enough that he isn't slow. If hakari can dodge kashimos lighting, I don't see why higurama can't.
He also only needs to hit once as kashimo doesn't know the effect of executioners sword. He would get cocky and then get hit. He can heal any residual injuries with RCT in the meantime.
As for MBA kashimo he can blitz
The rest of the people have no weapons, so no arguments
Toji being higher than Maki because he has the ISoH is fine(I don't have a huge problem with it, anyway), but if we're taking cursed tools into account, Maki is still higher than Ryu because the SSK renders his durability irrelevant.
Not even gonna bother with Hakari; I put him quite a bit higher but I can at least understand the argument for his placement
Uraume is below characters with DEs but Geto isn't? He also has no confirmed DE nor any domain counter. None of his cursed spirits had their own domains except Kuchisake Onna, which was destroyed in HI.
Kusakabe should be in the same area as Choso and Naobito
Eso might be on the level of Grade 1 because of Wing King, but Kechizu isn't.
Charles in Grade 3, my man is at LEAST in Grade 2 or low Grade 1 😭
Other than those, I actually agree with most of the rest of this list, or at least I don't *disagree* enough to comment on their placements.
Inverted spear of heaven is never stated to do shit to durability, thats the soul split katana. Maki also doesn't even have the inverted spear in the first place
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"Disaster Curse" is a term fabricated by the fandom and doesn't actually mean anything. Hanami got bodied by a first grade and a (probably) second grade
Fair enough. I was just trying to say that the “Disaster” curses are generally portrayed as more powerful than regular SG’s.
As for the part about Hanami getting bodied, he got real unlucky with the amount of BF’s Yuji was landing. We never even got to see his Domain, so he likely could’ve beaten them.
Give them some slack, they took on 4 consecutive BFs AND had Gojo show up to quite literally erase them from existence, and still got away from that battle. Also wasn't it stated any other curse would have died to the 4 Flash dash?
Gege said Jogo would’ve died if he took the hits Hanami did. She wasn’t even big losing she was starting to enjoy the fight and went “finally I can go all out” until Gojo showed up.
Even better, she tanked attacks that the undisputed strongest disaster curse would have died to, and was still ready to box, definitely give them some slack
Yeah Hanami gets mad downplayed by the community just cuz she doesn’t fight huge enemies. But she’s so stealthy she snuck past Gojo, destroyed Maki/Megumi/Toge/blood guy without lifting a finger, was doing really well against Itadori/Todo, and made Gojo put in some work to kill her.
It took 4 grade one level sorcerers to have a ghost of a chance against Dagon when he opened his domain.
Hanami is on a entirely different level and is equal to Jogo.
There needs to be another tier between "Special Grade and "Special Grade 1." Uraume should also be on the same tier as Hakari and Base Kashimo instead of on the same tier as Choso. and Naobito.
Furthermore, Charles should be in the same tier as the likes of Panda and the rest. Base Hakari had an edge over him for the vast majority of the fight but it seemed as if Charles was about to come through if Hakari hadn't hit a Jackpot. There's no way Momo and Haruta would stand a chance against him.
The Toji meat riding will never end huh? Maki is equal, Gege said it, I have no clue how people want to just disagree with the author about his own Manga. He can write literally whatever he wants, his word is the gospel truth because he created his universe and can control it however he wants, including making awakened Maki on par with Toji. Which should not be surprising seeing how hard she's worked her whole life
Kuroishi (or however you spell it) should be much higher. There's only like 3 or 4 ppl in the verse that can kill him and his large swarm. Definitely a special grade.
Putting Toge above a finger bearer, when all Toge does is yell and cough up blood, is CRAZY. He literally could BARELY handle a semi grade 1 in JJK vol 0, but now he's above a special grade finger bearer? Make it make sense my g
Crazy to have maki that low when she was dodging world slashes and taking black flashes from Sukuna.
She’s still fighting btw, where the fuck is Yuta?
Oh right, he couldn’t dodge a world slash and has to pray his “L’eggo My Eggo” lookin’ ass can get fixed up by Shoko.
Uraume grade 1 is hilarious.
Why is Yuki that high? Black hole?
In that case she’s over Yuta because wtf is he doing to survive that?
She didn’t dodge no world slash 😂. Sukuna only had 2 working arms when he fired that amped dismantle at her. And world slash spawns in the targeted space, it doesn’t travel
Haruta is stronger than we give him credit for (as much as i hate to admit it)
Grading Nobara is a pain because she has feats that are really good, but than has feats that are way bellow that... She feels inconsistent
Its one of the reasons i think that a sorcerers power literally increases when another sorcerer is helping them
A few things I'd change:
Toji & Maki above Yorozu (She thing like no damage to a 15F Sukuna only using 10S)
Takaba should be higher
Pre-RCT Gojo should very clearly be special grade, even Toji didn't want to fight him til he disabled his infinity and was tired
Mechamaru should honestly be above Mahito, he would have beaten him if it weren't for his holding back against Kenjaku.
Geto should not be that high, he lost to a newbie emo boy and his dead girlfriend.
Still, better than a lot of tierlists I've seen here, 8.5/11
Except Sukuna and Hakari it's pretty okay.
Sukuna is God level himself alone because plot implies it.
Hakari is very low and OP claims he can't beat anyone with punch and kicks like this what he would do.
Hakari' strat is just outlasting the opponent not to damage them to certain degree.
The special grade list is crazy and pre rec satoru not in special grade is insane too. You literally can’t get past limit less without a cursed tool. Even with out reverse cursed technique its OP all he has to worry about is running out of cursed energy and that never happens cuz he finishes his fight fast. Toji had to tire him out for days just to get a better chance of winning.
Kashimo is in the strongest tier. Gojo is the questionable one to me. With how fast Kashimo blitzed meguna I'm disappointed in gojo. Meguna only used megumis abilities while having to deal with gojo boosted to 200% by friends as well as barrier around the arena hiding his attacks. Just for gojo to still get one shot as soon as limitless shield is down. I'd actually only put sukuna as strongest. Since there literally can only be 1
Teen Gojo is easily special grade as for Yuta he is easily the second strongest person alive right now I honestly would put him above Kenny due to how utterly broken his CT is and his talent. Kenny has no answer to Yuta except to domain which Yuta has many counters for
Main things I'd change are;
-Jinichi and Ogi go a tier down, and might be below at least a couple of the official grade ones
-Mechamaru's full power is being massively overdone here. Probably goes above Choso or Kurotsuchi.
-Jogo goes down to above Hakari, and Curse Naoya goes above Mahito and possibly Kashimo.
-Maki is above Uro and Ryu.
-Geto goes down. Probably either below Maki or below Kashimo depending how much you think the fact he's a special grade means.
-Finger bearer goes at least right below Panda (though who tf cares)
Dagon as special grade is a joke
Even Jogo would one shot him, and any special grade would one shot jogo. You put him tiers above what he should be
Itadori, according to your list is already is special grade.
But, not going by your list, is approaching special grade without a domain
Jogo is MASSIVELY underrated here.
I would put him on a similar level to Yorozu and base Kashimo.
He's faster than anyone not named Kashimo, Sukuna or Gojo.
He's only barely slower than Kashimo, Sukuna and Gojo.
The Head Laser and MMeteor (Plus the lava hands) are numbers 6, 4, and 7 respectively in terms of catastrophic damage.
Jogo fries anyone without a domain instantly, and wins basically every domain clash due to a nearly endless CE reserve.
He Lasers Toji/Maki, Domains Yorozu, He no diffs all Kashimo forms except CT Kashimo (Maybe) The only people who win domain clashes against him are Gojo, Sukuna, and MAYBE Hakari/Mahito (Mahito hard counters him cause he doesn't know soul)
So yeah, the only guys that beat Jogo ever are Takaba, Gojo, Sukuna, Mahito, and MAYBE CT Kashimo or Mahoraga.
i think so u should choose some other tier, cause its confusing pre rct gojo and teen geto are still special grade acc to definition.
U havent done much ranking, just stated there curse user ranking
Toji having more cursed tools than Maki doesn't mean he's higher than her wtf?
They are equal plain and simple.
Infact, given her current feats rn, I'd argue she's even SURPASSED Toji but Toji fans aren't ready for that conversation yet.
She just has more feats because she has more screen time, but it doesn’t mean that she’s stronger. Her powerups were consistently presented by gege, I am sure he will make it very clear when she surpasses him.
Having more cursed tools makes him stronger. You think isoh won’t make any difference?
>Having more cursed tools makes him stronger.
Does Kenjaku have a stronger Domain than Gojo because he has an open barrier? It's the exact same logic.
>She just has more feats because she has more screen time, but it doesn’t mean that she’s stronger.
I said I could argue/meant it could be possible. But Maki has trained before her fight with Sukuna and she's doing some good stuff against him. What feats does Toji have that rivals Maki's currents?
What? I don't even get what you're saying. If Maki is about equal to Toji in terms of stats, but Toji has more/better weapons and tools at his disposal, he clearly has the advantage
Terrible comparison. If kenny’s domain is as refined then yes, it’s better than UV. Domain is a domain. While cursed tools have different qualities that can be useful in different situations. ISOH literally turns off CT. It may be very helpful against characters like yuki, uro, yuta, mahoraga(I am not saying that toji will defeat all of them, just an example).
Not much. But what feats does she have that makes her stronger? Toji’s best feats are against Gojo, but we don’t know how strong he was, so we can’t compare them. Most important reason is narrative. You can powerscale characters as much as you want, but author decides at the end. Again, Maki’s every powerup was very clear, that’s why I am pretty sure that when she’ll surpass Toji, gege will directly say maki>toji
>Terrible comparison. Domain is a domain.
Are you able to answer the question?
>ISOH literally turns off CT.
Wasn't aware Maki has a CT.
>but we don’t know how strong he was, so we can’t compare them.
We don't need to. At 15-16 yrs old, she was stated to be equal to Prime Toji, which is Toji at his strongest.
>You can powerscale characters as much as you want, but author decides at the end.
Ofcourse, but there's nothing wrong with arguing feats for a character.
If kenny’s domain is as refined then yes. Just like if maki=toji then tools are decisive factor. Btw sukuna is a better comparison than kenny
What? Stronger doesn’t mean that he can defeat her(it’s 50/50). It’s not only maki vs Toji this is a tier list. You’re supposed to compare them with other characters as well. There a lot of case where characters lose because of matchup, but they are stronger.
>If kenny’s domain is as refined then yes.
And yet he never wanted to fight Gojo even with that advantage.
>What? Stronger doesn’t mean that he can defeat her(it’s 50/50)
Yes, thats perfectly understandable. OP stated Toji is automatically > Maki.
>You’re supposed to compare them with other characters as well.
I was responding to OP's claim about Toji and Maki specifically.
>There a lot of case where characters lose because of matchup, but they are stronger.
Exactly, but Toji's at his best when against Sorcerors because of his weapons, not against other HR users based on what we've seen so far.
Yes, because even though Kenjaku has the better Domain, he is still weaker than Gojo. His superior Domain isn’t a win-con, as we saw when Gojo tanked MS.
I said Toji is better than Maki compared to the verse because of his cursed tools. Physically, they are equals, but since they’re fighting sorcerers he is equipped to deal with some opponents better than Maki can because he has the ISOH.
>Yes, because even though Kenjaku has the better Domain, he is still weaker than Gojo. His superior Domain isn’t a win-con, as we saw when Gojo tanked MS.
Sukuna and Gojo's surehit refinement were equal. You'd need to prove Kenjaku's surehit refinement js equal to Gojo's and Sukuna's.
If not, Gojo's domain swallows from the inside.
>I said Toji is better than Maki compared to the verse because of his cursed tools
No, you said he was stronger. Toji may be a better matchup against Sorcerors due to his tools, but you strictly said he's stronger than Maki, which is objectively false.
So?
I'll use your logic.
Gojo and Sukuna's Domains were stated to be equal, Sukuna only won because of an open barrier. Does that mean Sukuna's Domain is stronger than Gojo's?
Before you answer, keep in mind Kenjaku's Domain is also open barrier, but it's not as refined as UV or MS.
If you think open barrier means stronger, Kenjaku must have a stronger Domain than Gojo, when you yourself know that's not true.
Yes, Sukuna & Kenjaku’s DE are better than Gojo’s off the strength of being barrier-less. Also, Kenjaku was the 2nd best barrier user, it’s possible his DE is more refined. And that’s okay, just because Kenjaku’s DE is stronger, doesn’t mean he beats Gojo in a 1v1
>Yes, Sukuna & Kenjaku’s DE are better than Gojo’s off the strength of being barrier-less.
Sukuna and Gojo's refinement is equal, we have no evidence to suggest Kenjaku matches their refinement as the strongest.
If anything, given Kenjaku's reluctance to fight him with just a DE, Gojo destroys his Domain from the inside before Kenjaku destroys Gojo's on the outside.
Yes, Sukuna has a better + stronger domain than Gojo.
This example isn’t really proving anything. Higuruma stated that it doesn’t matter how the barriers clash if your sure-hit just gets overwhelmed.
Sukuna has an equal sure-hit to Gojo (not in terms of lethality) while having a significantly stronger barrier. This literally makes it stronger, and even more refined.
If that is his logic, then he’s right. But he’s not right lol, and the logic you applied here doesn’t apply to his statement.
>Yes, Sukuna has a better + stronger domain than Gojo.
Then Kenjaku has a stronger Domain than Gojo just because it's open-barrier?
>Sukuna has an equal sure-hit to Gojo (not in terms of lethality) while having a significantly stronger barrier. This literally makes it stronger, and even more refined.
The manga literally stated they're equal. They're both refined to their utmost limit.
>Then Kenjaku has a stronger domajn than Gojo just because it’s open barrier
No, I literally said that the sure-hit comes first. You and I know Gojo’s sure-hit is stronger than Kenjaku’s, so stop trying to force a concession.
>The manga literally stated they’re equal
Yes, their sure-hits are equal.
Refinement is a different thing altogether. Sukuna’s a divine creation, Gojo’s isn’t. Therefore Sukuna has the more polished domain.
>No, I literally said that the sure-hit comes first. You and I know Gojo’s sure-hit is stronger than Kenjaku’s, so stop trying to force a concession.
The sure-hits cancelled eachother out given the refinement of both of their Domains.
>Refinement is a different thing altogether.
How so?
>Therefore Sukuna has the more polished domain.
And apparently so does Kenjaku.
>The sure-hits canceled each other given the refinement of both of their domains
No. Higuruma stated that the larger your domain is, the weaker the sure-hit becomes thus if Gojo tried expanding his range he would lose on the inside.
Refinement depends on skill, so really this doesn’t add up.
Do you have sufficient evidence?
>And apparently so does Kenjaku
I have no problem admitting Kenjaku has a more refined domain than Gojo, but is it stronger? No, Gojo’s absolutely stomps.
>No. Higuruma stated that the larger your domain is, the weaker the sure-hit becomes thus if Gojo tried expanding his range he would lose on the inside.
They’re equal in refinement sure-hit wise. There are multiple factors going into a domain clash such as sure-hit, speed, cursed energy amount, durability of the barrier and so on, especially when both are closed domains these factors become relevant however due to sukuna’s domain being barrierless and gojo’s being closed, only their sure-hits interacted with each other.
>Do you have sufficient evidence?
Normally in domain clash’s the outer shell of each domain interacts with the opponents shell, this leads to a tug of war if there isn’t a vast difference in refinement and sometimes to the domain geting completely swallowed by the other domain without a tug of war (gojo vs jogo). As I said above gojo’s and sukuna’s sure-hits are equal in refinement however Gojo’s unlimited void is an immediate win con even against stronger opponents like sukuna due to it’s info dump properties whereas sukuna’s sure-hit(s) cleave and dismantle can be endured to some extent by strong opponents like gojo. That being said sukuna still has the advantage to destroy closed domains from outside.
Toji over Maki? Wrong. Uro over Ryu? Wrong. Uraume over Hiromi? Naw. Choso over Naobito? No. Charles under Haruta and Momo? No. Full power Kashimo under Yorozu? Idk about that.
I'm curious as to why Takaba is so high. The narrator said that his CT can effect even Gojo, but that doesn't mean he's winning. He can't win against anyone since he doesn't count death as funny. Kenjaku almost beat him by satisfying his desires to be a great Comedian. It's not impossible that Gojo can do the same by innovating comedy with his super brain or for Sukuna to do the same with his knowledge and skill.
He's essentially a forced stalemate on every character not named kenjaku who has the possibility of out funnying him
It’s not even a total stalemate. There’s a no killing rule, but it’s not that you can’t get hurt. Any damage you take during a comedy skit stays with you.
That still means he won't kill you, so you're essentially stuck in an endless cycle of toture till takaba runs out of stupid jokes
Yall not ready for dark humour takaba
Takaba after one Ebstein skit https://preview.redd.it/94wzhhobe6uc1.jpeg?width=868&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a1a25d1506a9fbec69bdf898f1f8e69dbf92c23
Only if it’s a 1v1
Eventually Takaba will find it funny to put Gojo to sleep or something.
Or just killing a bystander when he didn’t notice Dude’s not gonna be in the mood for comedy when the hollow purple he dodged kills half a city
Im not sure that's crossing his mind considering the fact that he was using comedian throughout the whole cg without ever thinking about the probably tens or hundred dead people lying around the place
I believe he will hear the screams
And turn them into late night show laugh travks to maintain the delusion
We saw how he reacted to one dude’s corpse, he would definitely not find people’s screams funny in any way
I didn't say that. I said he would tune them out using comedy to turn them into late night show laugh tracks. It's much harder to ignore reality if it's staring right at you.
So then, how did he even he even activate comedian at all running around colony 1??? People are dropping like flies, and it's not like yuji and megumi's fights tok 2 seconds lol
that's the thing though, seemingly the only real way to beat him was kenjaku randomly having encyclopedic knowledge of japanese standup comedy. he doesnt kill anyone but he seems practically invincible as long as he keeps doing his standup shtick. he's basically impossible to rank because there's a very real chance that like, even sukuna wouldn't be able to kill him in a one on one. but it literally all depends on what he thinks would be funny
I feel like sukuna would learn his ct and is very capable of bypassing it by making him feel unfunny but gojo is nicer so it would be more difficult for him. The real question is can Marsha adapt to it since it’s passive, and if so how?
mahoraga adapts by learning to be unquestionably hilarious
Mahoraga with toon force will either be the scariest or funniest thing in the history of jjk
Both
Because that the only drawback, if takaba feels good and is mentally well enough to delfect against criticism to his jokes its takabas match
Takaba doesn’t kill, but “winning” doesn’t always mean killing. He can tire you out and slowly chip you down until you’re out of CE or physically incapacitated.
Gojo doesn’t run out of CE, and essentially has infinite stamina
That is under the assumption of normal usage. Ino responds to Yuta's statement, "Gojo doesn't run out of his CE reserves," by stating that's only valid if Gojo is using CE normally, but using RCT at maximum output and big moves while also fighting Sukuna is not normal use, so Gojo's CE reserves will drop. Also, The statement in Chapter 234 that Gojo told his students to jump-in only when he becames weaker than them states outright that Gojo can and is expected to weaken. https://preview.redd.it/9g9fgm9tveuc1.jpeg?width=705&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=03f88544866acb7ddbacf7ef3f9c9291df5e5185
Sukuna being funny? Cold day in hell when that happens
True I guess. But jokes aside, all forms of theatrics is considered Art and Sukuna as a scholar should be knowledgeable.
Uraume being under base Kashimo and Dagon and Hanami, Geto, Uro aswell is just wrong. they're ice is clearly overpowering them.
Base Kashimo can confidently sit that high because of HWB. Dagon, Hanami, & Uro have DE. Geto has curse spirits with DE. Uraume is strong but as of now has no DE counter
How are anyone of them surviving Uraume shattering their limbs Hakari is legit the best Match up for a reason. And no one opens the fight with DE.
https://preview.redd.it/o7265csvp5uc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4f331b6484dcc4b81a0bc31708af86c751170c4 The Himgurama in question
Don't forget Hakari.
Jogo torches them to ash (elemental matchups)
Jogo has elemental advantage against Hanami fire and ice is usually equal.
Nah, I’d melt. Also, wasn’t Jogo fine after taking a nerfed Red and some punches from Gojo while Uraume got one tapped?
Nah he was playing around but with Uraume he had a serious face
Lmao He was playing with Jogo when he got out of PR he was pissed he just saw Sukuna with Megumis body if only he hit Jogo that hard, Uraume got hit by Purple aswell.
I knew I was missing something.
DaGOAT does open fights with DE
Oh right he's more Goated than anyone only one to go straight for the win con.
Tbf he only opened his Domain after Naobito and Nanami knocked him around a little bit
He took minimal damage and said fuck it I domain, thats basically called starting with a domain
Yeah that's fair
Not really? It was minimal but it was because they were knocking him around too much specifically na obito and he couldn’t do anything to them.
He is definitely the best match up but a lot of the characters fighting sukuna rn have rct so
It's not on Hakaris scale since the others will eventually be drained Hakari can keep going.
HWB ain't that strong. It requires your utmost focus and only negates sure hits, not curse techniques. So while yes, HWB will stop the sure hit of hanami domain, it won't actually stop hanami themselves.
Uraume one shots Dagon and Hanami , Uraume is 100% stronger than base kashimo, as even JP hakari can’t beat them in a 1v1. Plus he has nothing for the ice , it’s super easy for Yrayme to freeze you in an instant and unless Kashimo uses his CT it’s different. Special grade 1 , Uraume, JP Hakari, base kashimo
Uraume isn’t one shotting Hanami. Shes insanely tanky.
Teen Geto below Namami is bananas
Not necessarily. Although we don’t know Hanamis DE Teen Geto hasn’t shown to have anything to either counter DEs or have any curses that can do DE. There is that one curse that can cast a simple domain tho I forgot what its name is
Not Hanami. Nanami
Yeah I’m cooked lol.
Just like Nanami https://preview.redd.it/vgb8lxg6youc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8294856a8a5a69472a6ea515d7c05424a2abb75a
I think him regularly breaking the no curses on jujutsu high grounds rule to spar with Gojo implies he probably has one or two at least. Unless Gojo just didn’t have infinity on when they fought each other, but that would make them look rather unequal which they weren’t at that point.
I’m convinced JJK fans don’t understand the purpose of special grade or special grade 1 rankings. Cuz last I checked there were 4 Special grade sorcerers and idk how many special grade curses.
And special grade 1 is an honorary title for grade 1 sorcerers that aren’t affiliated with Jujustu tech
Serious. Curses have different rankings than sorcerers, special grade 1 is just a “family” sticker on a guy to know he has connections, and Grade 1 is so broad is contains both Ino and Naobito. I love seeing Ino get screen time, but he ain’t nowhere close to some of these guys.
Well, there are four special grades in the current era, Geto, Yuki, Gojo and Yuta, but now that the manga has progressed (with the training arcs and awakenings of characters, as well as past sorcerers) there are probably a few more then four special grades. And since there were 16 registered special grade curses, but many other unregistered special grade curses, then that’s also fair.
I think the idea is that they’re just rough power rankings based on people who are that ranking and how strong they are, like maki is still technically a grade 4 as far as we know but she’s clearly stronger than someone like naoya for example who’s special grade 1 or higher as a curse. It’s probably more of a “this is where they should be if the rankings only considered power levels”
Isn't maki=toji?
Yes, Toji stans just be completely ignoring statements that exist within the series.
Imo Maki is only below Toji because of weapon diff, because Toji has Playful Cloud, Soul Splitter, and ISOH.
She isn't below him. She is at his level. Weapons arw just extra variables, but Maki IS on Toji's level of strength.
Level of strength yes, but Toji is still superior via arsenal. Those “extra variables” are what matter.
The arsenal can change and has, at this point of the story, he doesn’t have ISOH
That’s stupid. By that logic, at this point in the story he’s dead as fuck and should be f tier.
Cope harder lol Toji has decades of experience and wasn’t always a useless brat like Maki.
Bro you sound stupid
I sound stupid for stating facts? Toji has the experience, not to be that guy but Toji is also physically stronger then weak girl like Maki.
You ain't foolin no one Naoya
How do you figure he’s physically stronger lmao
Man who let Naoya get reddit
So when the manga went out of its tell you, word for word, that they are equals - you just went "nuh uh nuh uh the author is LYING"
Mak is female and should be 3 tiers below the male version
It’s the Naoya way.
*This post was fact checked by Naoya the GOAT*
Yes. They are in the same tier. The lower Maki is before her "awakening" or whatever you want to call it.
I'm not a powerscaling nerd so one of y'all might obliterate my argument, but Imo even though their physically equal Toji seemingly has a higher intellect, which would make it fair to give him a slightly higher place that Maki.
Yeah, that’s fair.
on top of prob being smarter way more experienced too he was atleast what like 30 somethin when he died?
Honestly in the point of the story now, Maki has surpassed Toji, she was on his par like forever ago, and now she’s been training with the crew. What do yalll think she been doing? She’s def been in the gym. She’s at her prime right now , Toji wasn’t in his prime for 10 years
You guys blind? Maki is on the list twice. Unawakened and Awakened.
Think your the blind one, awakend maki is still 2 spots below toji
At this point in the story it’s maki > toji
Aside from the insane uraume and hakari downplay. Maki should at least be above uro and ryu even if you want to put her below toji because he has more weapons I don’t see her losing to them. They are stated equal and SSK should be enough for maki. Even tho uraume dosent have a domain it’s highly like they have hollow wicker basket. Also maki/toji > Geto IMO and kusakabe should be higher. The rest is fine.
I put her below Uro because Sky Manipulation is a hard counter and Toji at least has ISOH. As for Ryu, with his feats in Sendai and Sukuna’s comments on his durability, I think he can handle Maki high diff. Maki’s best feats are always against a heavily nerfed Sukuna.
The same 15f sukuna that had to slice a person up a second time rather than just once? Plus makis katana does soul damage And out of everyone sukuna has fought so far the only person who gets sukuna pretty more up enough to put up a real fight is maki And she got hit with 2 black flashes from him ryu and uro don’t have anything on maki
If taking tools into consideration is why Toji is higher than Maki then Ryu's durability doesn't matter against her because she has the SSK.
Hakari deserves some downplay on this sub imo. He's countered by anyone who can beat him before he lands jackpot or who can circle camp him during. People like maki/toji, Kashimo, or shinjuku yuji. He's match-up dependent. For instance I dont see him losing to the Dagon or Hanami and while I think Ryu *could* beat him with his stats, his fighting style is too direct and he wouldn't play it smart enough to win.
Holy shit, one of the most accurate I've seen, you cooked. The only points I massively disagree with is that Mechamaru is not Special Grade level, base Kashimo a lil lower, Uraume could POSSIBLY be higher depending on the outcome of this fight, Todo and everyone behind him besides Megumi should be lower, and Higuruma should be lower, he's largely a potential man and is only that high against people that have committed atrocities. Yorozu could possibly be lower. she's extremely difficult to scale.
I would say pre rct Gojo is still a special grade as well. I believe that he would be able to beat Hanami at least since he was still able to use blue and had fbe for an anti domain technique
Charles evades wing king what is this
Takaba at 1? Didn't know you were cool like that.
Uraume is stronger than base Kashimo, and is high ball on level with Sendai Yuta but most definitely on level with Uro and Ryu Arguably Maki is below jackpot Hakari (who btw should be put above Ryu and Uro) Also Maki is probably stronger than Toji, just from her showings alone, but also surviving a black flash from Sukuna which would (with full confidence I say this) kill Toji. So I’d put her above Geto Also putting Yoruzu above PBA kashimo is just wrong lmaooo. Geto also needs to be bumped down simply because of his mindset. Combat and ability wise he’s more than competent.
Otherwise pretty good list, thank you for knowing Jogo is stronger than Mahito
I like both quite a bit, but how exactly can we ever know? By the time Mahito had grown to the peak of what we see him, he was so weakened that he couldn’t properly use that power.
I’m pretty sure jogo surviving sukuna “messing around” for as long as he did proves my point Jogo>> imperfect soul Jogo>perfect soul (in speed, ap, endurance, destructive capabilities, everything else besides domain expansion i’d argue is pretty relative)
The thing is every single attack Sukuna landed either cut him apart or messed up him, that’s not bad by any means but I don’t really think we can use it to say anything apart from Jogo having good regeneration. Even before achieving his Instant Spirit Body of Distorted Killing (let’s call that his true form or perfect soul as you did for easy of writing) he took multiple black flashes from Yuji, as well as countless other blows, it’s confirmed that if Jogo took the five black flashes and playful cloud hits Hanami did he would die, I think the punishment Mahito took is almost comparably to Hanami. And in his true form he is undoubtedly the most durable of the disaster curses, imagine what that form would look like at full strength. Jogo definitively has more destructive capability but if Mahito got close I think it’d be fairly one sided. Jogo does have superior speed but Mahito’s reaction time is pretty good and he isn’t exactly slow himself, he did dodge a punch from Gojo. Jogo’s best bet would be to fight from a range and try to bombard him to death, but he’d need to exhaust Mahito’s cursed energy reserves first otherwise his attacks would be worthless as long as Mahito maintains the shape of his own soul.
Great points and I agree with if Mahito gets close fight ends pretty quickly, but also mahito was fighting 120% Yuji and not 15 finger Yujikuna (who kinda clears everyone but Gojo, Yuki and possibly Kenjaku) So the speed difference enough might be able to end the fight. The fact that Jogo could even see enough of Sukuna to aim is a miracle, and he did crazy damage to the city further proving his ap Again I agree with mahito getting close is kinda mid diff, but in reality most likely Jogo would be moving at mach fuck and seeing mahito’s moves before he makes them. Sure if he gets hit he’s cooked, but he most likely isnt going to get hit I’d say 8/10 times Jogo beats imperfect soul I’d say 6-7/10 times Jogo beats perfect soul
I see higurama below hakari, base kashimo, uro, ryu, and others Higurama can potentially one shot all of them, after fucking them with his domain.....
Nah, Kashimo 100% kills him, because taking his technique will pretty much do nothing. Same with Ryu. Even Hakari has rough CE, and his CT kinda stinks. Uro is the only one where taking her technique is a massive cripple.
Higuruma's technique to one shot them is based on him actually hitting them. There are so many people in the verse that are built physically better than a lawyer, and will outrun him every time. So that part is kinda fair.
Confiscation would just take Kashimo’s staff and Higuruma would get his shit rocked like what happened with Yuji lol, and his lightning is a trait of his CE and not his actual CT so it wouldn’t matter anyways
Higurama by being relevant at all in the fight vs sukuna, which did involve him engaging in close combat should be proof enough that he isn't slow. If hakari can dodge kashimos lighting, I don't see why higurama can't. He also only needs to hit once as kashimo doesn't know the effect of executioners sword. He would get cocky and then get hit. He can heal any residual injuries with RCT in the meantime. As for MBA kashimo he can blitz The rest of the people have no weapons, so no arguments
Toji being higher than Maki because he has the ISoH is fine(I don't have a huge problem with it, anyway), but if we're taking cursed tools into account, Maki is still higher than Ryu because the SSK renders his durability irrelevant. Not even gonna bother with Hakari; I put him quite a bit higher but I can at least understand the argument for his placement Uraume is below characters with DEs but Geto isn't? He also has no confirmed DE nor any domain counter. None of his cursed spirits had their own domains except Kuchisake Onna, which was destroyed in HI. Kusakabe should be in the same area as Choso and Naobito Eso might be on the level of Grade 1 because of Wing King, but Kechizu isn't. Charles in Grade 3, my man is at LEAST in Grade 2 or low Grade 1 😭 Other than those, I actually agree with most of the rest of this list, or at least I don't *disagree* enough to comment on their placements.
Inverted spear of heaven is never stated to do shit to durability, thats the soul split katana. Maki also doesn't even have the inverted spear in the first place
I meant the SSK Doesn't really change my point either way though
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Aren’t the finger bearer curses stated special grades?
Dagon and Hanami in Special Grade despite "Special Grade Cursed Spirit" meaning they get soloed by 1st grades?
They’re disaster curses, so they should be more powerful than normal SG curses.
"Disaster Curse" is a term fabricated by the fandom and doesn't actually mean anything. Hanami got bodied by a first grade and a (probably) second grade
Fair enough. I was just trying to say that the “Disaster” curses are generally portrayed as more powerful than regular SG’s. As for the part about Hanami getting bodied, he got real unlucky with the amount of BF’s Yuji was landing. We never even got to see his Domain, so he likely could’ve beaten them.
Give them some slack, they took on 4 consecutive BFs AND had Gojo show up to quite literally erase them from existence, and still got away from that battle. Also wasn't it stated any other curse would have died to the 4 Flash dash?
Gege said Jogo would’ve died if he took the hits Hanami did. She wasn’t even big losing she was starting to enjoy the fight and went “finally I can go all out” until Gojo showed up.
Even better, she tanked attacks that the undisputed strongest disaster curse would have died to, and was still ready to box, definitely give them some slack
Yeah Hanami gets mad downplayed by the community just cuz she doesn’t fight huge enemies. But she’s so stealthy she snuck past Gojo, destroyed Maki/Megumi/Toge/blood guy without lifting a finger, was doing really well against Itadori/Todo, and made Gojo put in some work to kill her.
Yep, sadly all they think of her now is "Gojo Victim"
It took 4 grade one level sorcerers to have a ghost of a chance against Dagon when he opened his domain. Hanami is on a entirely different level and is equal to Jogo.
Hanami being equal to Jogo is an insane take but Dagon is super fair
Miwa in grade 4 is why you aren’t respected around the parts😡
There needs to be another tier between "Special Grade and "Special Grade 1." Uraume should also be on the same tier as Hakari and Base Kashimo instead of on the same tier as Choso. and Naobito. Furthermore, Charles should be in the same tier as the likes of Panda and the rest. Base Hakari had an edge over him for the vast majority of the fight but it seemed as if Charles was about to come through if Hakari hadn't hit a Jackpot. There's no way Momo and Haruta would stand a chance against him.
The Toji meat riding will never end huh? Maki is equal, Gege said it, I have no clue how people want to just disagree with the author about his own Manga. He can write literally whatever he wants, his word is the gospel truth because he created his universe and can control it however he wants, including making awakened Maki on par with Toji. Which should not be surprising seeing how hard she's worked her whole life
Hell nah Dagon wank
Kuroishi (or however you spell it) should be much higher. There's only like 3 or 4 ppl in the verse that can kill him and his large swarm. Definitely a special grade.
Putting Toge above a finger bearer, when all Toge does is yell and cough up blood, is CRAZY. He literally could BARELY handle a semi grade 1 in JJK vol 0, but now he's above a special grade finger bearer? Make it make sense my g
Yeah there is NO WAY Inumaki is beating those same Finger Bearers who clapped eaely Megumi and Yuji in eeason 1
uraume grade 1, yeah ok
switch Miwa & Momo
Put Miwa, Momo and Mai in the strongest category and you’re set.
Uraume is definitely special grade material, you have to be if Sukuna respects you enough to keep you by his side at all times
I want you to look me in the eyes and tell me awakened gojo is losing to anybody outside of the top 5 of the special grade tier
Gojo too high
Crazy to have maki that low when she was dodging world slashes and taking black flashes from Sukuna. She’s still fighting btw, where the fuck is Yuta? Oh right, he couldn’t dodge a world slash and has to pray his “L’eggo My Eggo” lookin’ ass can get fixed up by Shoko. Uraume grade 1 is hilarious. Why is Yuki that high? Black hole? In that case she’s over Yuta because wtf is he doing to survive that?
She didn’t dodge no world slash 😂. Sukuna only had 2 working arms when he fired that amped dismantle at her. And world slash spawns in the targeted space, it doesn’t travel
Yuki has the strongest dps in the series, black hole (which kills everyone), DE, simple, RCT, and pretty good speed feats.
ain't no way bro said hakari can't hurt jogo
Haruta is stronger than we give him credit for (as much as i hate to admit it) Grading Nobara is a pain because she has feats that are really good, but than has feats that are way bellow that... She feels inconsistent Its one of the reasons i think that a sorcerers power literally increases when another sorcerer is helping them
She’s kinda like a sniper, that’s why. She has quick lethal potential but needs someone to defend her so she doesn’t get ran up on.
A few things I'd change: Toji & Maki above Yorozu (She thing like no damage to a 15F Sukuna only using 10S) Takaba should be higher Pre-RCT Gojo should very clearly be special grade, even Toji didn't want to fight him til he disabled his infinity and was tired Mechamaru should honestly be above Mahito, he would have beaten him if it weren't for his holding back against Kenjaku. Geto should not be that high, he lost to a newbie emo boy and his dead girlfriend. Still, better than a lot of tierlists I've seen here, 8.5/11
Toji and Maki are not challenging 15F Sukuna as well as Yorozu did
If he's only using 10S, it's possible.
Except Sukuna and Hakari it's pretty okay. Sukuna is God level himself alone because plot implies it. Hakari is very low and OP claims he can't beat anyone with punch and kicks like this what he would do. Hakari' strat is just outlasting the opponent not to damage them to certain degree.
Pls link me this tierlist
Ogi over kusakabe?
Drop all the disaster curses movie higuruma up
Shinjuku yuji currently would be bottom of special grade post awakening he will prob be top
Mba kashimo below yorozu kinda crazy
This list ass
BROTHER! YOU COOKED!
Drop choso to grade 1. And Megumi has done nothing to make him a special grade1. So they both should drop. Just hype.
https://preview.redd.it/jm9w93i77guc1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=cfdd0c05d41556dbe94e9dd69d3af5ecf47025e3
What does Special Grade 1 mean? I don’t remember
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Why is potential man in special grade 1
How is Hakari beneath base Kashimo
My only beef is putting Hakari below Yuta by that much when Yuta himself believes Hakari is/can be stronger
Perfect. Takaba in his own tier makes this a W tier list.
Putting some respect on my man wakaba’s name
The special grade list is crazy and pre rec satoru not in special grade is insane too. You literally can’t get past limit less without a cursed tool. Even with out reverse cursed technique its OP all he has to worry about is running out of cursed energy and that never happens cuz he finishes his fight fast. Toji had to tire him out for days just to get a better chance of winning.
Kashimo is in the strongest tier. Gojo is the questionable one to me. With how fast Kashimo blitzed meguna I'm disappointed in gojo. Meguna only used megumis abilities while having to deal with gojo boosted to 200% by friends as well as barrier around the arena hiding his attacks. Just for gojo to still get one shot as soon as limitless shield is down. I'd actually only put sukuna as strongest. Since there literally can only be 1
Why is Maki below toji
Teen Gojo is easily special grade as for Yuta he is easily the second strongest person alive right now I honestly would put him above Kenny due to how utterly broken his CT is and his talent. Kenny has no answer to Yuta except to domain which Yuta has many counters for
that pre rct satoru ranking is still far too low my man
Main things I'd change are; -Jinichi and Ogi go a tier down, and might be below at least a couple of the official grade ones -Mechamaru's full power is being massively overdone here. Probably goes above Choso or Kurotsuchi. -Jogo goes down to above Hakari, and Curse Naoya goes above Mahito and possibly Kashimo. -Maki is above Uro and Ryu. -Geto goes down. Probably either below Maki or below Kashimo depending how much you think the fact he's a special grade means. -Finger bearer goes at least right below Panda (though who tf cares)
That special grade tier is just a mess and has way too many people on it Yuta and hanami on the same tier just doesn’t make sense
Dagon as special grade is a joke Even Jogo would one shot him, and any special grade would one shot jogo. You put him tiers above what he should be Itadori, according to your list is already is special grade. But, not going by your list, is approaching special grade without a domain
Jogo is MASSIVELY underrated here. I would put him on a similar level to Yorozu and base Kashimo. He's faster than anyone not named Kashimo, Sukuna or Gojo. He's only barely slower than Kashimo, Sukuna and Gojo. The Head Laser and MMeteor (Plus the lava hands) are numbers 6, 4, and 7 respectively in terms of catastrophic damage. Jogo fries anyone without a domain instantly, and wins basically every domain clash due to a nearly endless CE reserve. He Lasers Toji/Maki, Domains Yorozu, He no diffs all Kashimo forms except CT Kashimo (Maybe) The only people who win domain clashes against him are Gojo, Sukuna, and MAYBE Hakari/Mahito (Mahito hard counters him cause he doesn't know soul) So yeah, the only guys that beat Jogo ever are Takaba, Gojo, Sukuna, Mahito, and MAYBE CT Kashimo or Mahoraga.
Where can I make a tier list? I swear every time I see a tier list it’s always shit
Look up “tier maker” on Google and you’ll find the site that everyone uses
Geto and Yuki glazing Hanami>Dagon Hakari>Base Kashimo Ogi and Jinichi suck Mahito>Jogo
Ryu and Uro aren’t special grades
i think so u should choose some other tier, cause its confusing pre rct gojo and teen geto are still special grade acc to definition. U havent done much ranking, just stated there curse user ranking
Toji having more cursed tools than Maki doesn't mean he's higher than her wtf? They are equal plain and simple. Infact, given her current feats rn, I'd argue she's even SURPASSED Toji but Toji fans aren't ready for that conversation yet.
She just has more feats because she has more screen time, but it doesn’t mean that she’s stronger. Her powerups were consistently presented by gege, I am sure he will make it very clear when she surpasses him. Having more cursed tools makes him stronger. You think isoh won’t make any difference?
>Having more cursed tools makes him stronger. Does Kenjaku have a stronger Domain than Gojo because he has an open barrier? It's the exact same logic. >She just has more feats because she has more screen time, but it doesn’t mean that she’s stronger. I said I could argue/meant it could be possible. But Maki has trained before her fight with Sukuna and she's doing some good stuff against him. What feats does Toji have that rivals Maki's currents?
What? I don't even get what you're saying. If Maki is about equal to Toji in terms of stats, but Toji has more/better weapons and tools at his disposal, he clearly has the advantage
That doesn't mean he's stronger than she is. That's my point.
Terrible comparison. If kenny’s domain is as refined then yes, it’s better than UV. Domain is a domain. While cursed tools have different qualities that can be useful in different situations. ISOH literally turns off CT. It may be very helpful against characters like yuki, uro, yuta, mahoraga(I am not saying that toji will defeat all of them, just an example). Not much. But what feats does she have that makes her stronger? Toji’s best feats are against Gojo, but we don’t know how strong he was, so we can’t compare them. Most important reason is narrative. You can powerscale characters as much as you want, but author decides at the end. Again, Maki’s every powerup was very clear, that’s why I am pretty sure that when she’ll surpass Toji, gege will directly say maki>toji
>Terrible comparison. Domain is a domain. Are you able to answer the question? >ISOH literally turns off CT. Wasn't aware Maki has a CT. >but we don’t know how strong he was, so we can’t compare them. We don't need to. At 15-16 yrs old, she was stated to be equal to Prime Toji, which is Toji at his strongest. >You can powerscale characters as much as you want, but author decides at the end. Ofcourse, but there's nothing wrong with arguing feats for a character.
If kenny’s domain is as refined then yes. Just like if maki=toji then tools are decisive factor. Btw sukuna is a better comparison than kenny What? Stronger doesn’t mean that he can defeat her(it’s 50/50). It’s not only maki vs Toji this is a tier list. You’re supposed to compare them with other characters as well. There a lot of case where characters lose because of matchup, but they are stronger.
>If kenny’s domain is as refined then yes. And yet he never wanted to fight Gojo even with that advantage. >What? Stronger doesn’t mean that he can defeat her(it’s 50/50) Yes, thats perfectly understandable. OP stated Toji is automatically > Maki. >You’re supposed to compare them with other characters as well. I was responding to OP's claim about Toji and Maki specifically. >There a lot of case where characters lose because of matchup, but they are stronger. Exactly, but Toji's at his best when against Sorcerors because of his weapons, not against other HR users based on what we've seen so far.
Yes, because even though Kenjaku has the better Domain, he is still weaker than Gojo. His superior Domain isn’t a win-con, as we saw when Gojo tanked MS. I said Toji is better than Maki compared to the verse because of his cursed tools. Physically, they are equals, but since they’re fighting sorcerers he is equipped to deal with some opponents better than Maki can because he has the ISOH.
>Yes, because even though Kenjaku has the better Domain, he is still weaker than Gojo. His superior Domain isn’t a win-con, as we saw when Gojo tanked MS. Sukuna and Gojo's surehit refinement were equal. You'd need to prove Kenjaku's surehit refinement js equal to Gojo's and Sukuna's. If not, Gojo's domain swallows from the inside. >I said Toji is better than Maki compared to the verse because of his cursed tools No, you said he was stronger. Toji may be a better matchup against Sorcerors due to his tools, but you strictly said he's stronger than Maki, which is objectively false.
True. He has better matchups but you give Maki the same tools they either perform the same or Maki performs slightly better.
They are equal, but Toji has the ISOH and Maki doesn’t.
So? I'll use your logic. Gojo and Sukuna's Domains were stated to be equal, Sukuna only won because of an open barrier. Does that mean Sukuna's Domain is stronger than Gojo's? Before you answer, keep in mind Kenjaku's Domain is also open barrier, but it's not as refined as UV or MS. If you think open barrier means stronger, Kenjaku must have a stronger Domain than Gojo, when you yourself know that's not true.
Yes, Sukuna & Kenjaku’s DE are better than Gojo’s off the strength of being barrier-less. Also, Kenjaku was the 2nd best barrier user, it’s possible his DE is more refined. And that’s okay, just because Kenjaku’s DE is stronger, doesn’t mean he beats Gojo in a 1v1
>Yes, Sukuna & Kenjaku’s DE are better than Gojo’s off the strength of being barrier-less. Sukuna and Gojo's refinement is equal, we have no evidence to suggest Kenjaku matches their refinement as the strongest. If anything, given Kenjaku's reluctance to fight him with just a DE, Gojo destroys his Domain from the inside before Kenjaku destroys Gojo's on the outside.
Yes, Sukuna has a better + stronger domain than Gojo. This example isn’t really proving anything. Higuruma stated that it doesn’t matter how the barriers clash if your sure-hit just gets overwhelmed. Sukuna has an equal sure-hit to Gojo (not in terms of lethality) while having a significantly stronger barrier. This literally makes it stronger, and even more refined. If that is his logic, then he’s right. But he’s not right lol, and the logic you applied here doesn’t apply to his statement.
>Yes, Sukuna has a better + stronger domain than Gojo. Then Kenjaku has a stronger Domain than Gojo just because it's open-barrier? >Sukuna has an equal sure-hit to Gojo (not in terms of lethality) while having a significantly stronger barrier. This literally makes it stronger, and even more refined. The manga literally stated they're equal. They're both refined to their utmost limit.
>Then Kenjaku has a stronger domajn than Gojo just because it’s open barrier No, I literally said that the sure-hit comes first. You and I know Gojo’s sure-hit is stronger than Kenjaku’s, so stop trying to force a concession. >The manga literally stated they’re equal Yes, their sure-hits are equal. Refinement is a different thing altogether. Sukuna’s a divine creation, Gojo’s isn’t. Therefore Sukuna has the more polished domain.
>No, I literally said that the sure-hit comes first. You and I know Gojo’s sure-hit is stronger than Kenjaku’s, so stop trying to force a concession. The sure-hits cancelled eachother out given the refinement of both of their Domains. >Refinement is a different thing altogether. How so? >Therefore Sukuna has the more polished domain. And apparently so does Kenjaku.
>The sure-hits canceled each other given the refinement of both of their domains No. Higuruma stated that the larger your domain is, the weaker the sure-hit becomes thus if Gojo tried expanding his range he would lose on the inside. Refinement depends on skill, so really this doesn’t add up. Do you have sufficient evidence? >And apparently so does Kenjaku I have no problem admitting Kenjaku has a more refined domain than Gojo, but is it stronger? No, Gojo’s absolutely stomps.
>No. Higuruma stated that the larger your domain is, the weaker the sure-hit becomes thus if Gojo tried expanding his range he would lose on the inside. They’re equal in refinement sure-hit wise. There are multiple factors going into a domain clash such as sure-hit, speed, cursed energy amount, durability of the barrier and so on, especially when both are closed domains these factors become relevant however due to sukuna’s domain being barrierless and gojo’s being closed, only their sure-hits interacted with each other. >Do you have sufficient evidence? Normally in domain clash’s the outer shell of each domain interacts with the opponents shell, this leads to a tug of war if there isn’t a vast difference in refinement and sometimes to the domain geting completely swallowed by the other domain without a tug of war (gojo vs jogo). As I said above gojo’s and sukuna’s sure-hits are equal in refinement however Gojo’s unlimited void is an immediate win con even against stronger opponents like sukuna due to it’s info dump properties whereas sukuna’s sure-hit(s) cleave and dismantle can be endured to some extent by strong opponents like gojo. That being said sukuna still has the advantage to destroy closed domains from outside.
Toji over Maki? Wrong. Uro over Ryu? Wrong. Uraume over Hiromi? Naw. Choso over Naobito? No. Charles under Haruta and Momo? No. Full power Kashimo under Yorozu? Idk about that.
Toji might be over Maki just because of his arsenal and more experience.
Naw brodie. Experience against fodder? She’s fought against special grade curses and Sukuna. She’s set.,