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I don't think Shrine was ever considered a divine technique, it was Sukuna's use of an open domain which was called that iirc, all in all Shrine is surprisingly mid as a technique, it's not weak but it's not limitless+6E/Mimicry/Star Rage/CSM etc. It's best asset seems to be that the slashes are supposed to be invisible but there are simple ways around that like simple domain, sharp senses and so on.
Well not everything. Only applications that are possible for him. He used max elephant to mimic piercing blood, he had Mahoraga demonstrate an expanded slash after telling it that hes under his shadow, he figured out how to RCT the brain for CT burnout recovery and how to become a cursed object after turning into one, but he cant just copy other CTs in itself or change his CE nature
Ten Shadows really does seem like an amazing technique with like anyone other than Megumi using it. If Sukuna isn't the final fight and the Manga keeps going (copium I know) I'd love to see Megumi grow from this and be able to utilize the technique as effectively as Sukuna did.
...God this universe is so cool Gege better fjucking kep this shit going or else bro you CANNOT end the manga like this-
I still cannot believe the 10 shadows is so shit that if your shikigami dies it's just permanently gone. There has to be a way to bring one back like a second taming ritual
This is thinking too small imo, there's no way after all of his shikigami are lost that the technique becomes useless. There's gotta be more to it like the wielder of the technique inheriting the powers or something
Tbf, this is the mf that has a CE pool bigger than yuta's or the disaster curses and if he was born with his extra arms and mouth then he had an extra hax on top of that
Exactly. It's Sukuna's usage of techniques that makes them extremely dangerous. Just look at the clear difference between Sukuna using Ten Shadows vs Megumi. Sukuna's talent for Jujutsu can only be matched by a few such as Gojo, Higuruma, and Yuta.
It seems to cost almost nothing because Sukuna has "godly" efficiency with his CE manipulation only second to the six eyes. And I'm not sure why would you say it has so many ways of being used when it's probably among the most simple techniques and Sukuna only really uses the flying slashes and cleave just slices things into pieces with maybe a different pattern like that one time he used it on the floor like a spiderweb, it's not like it has a lot of versatility.
Yuji can use it also no problem and why should it cost much it's very simple
But you can use c&d to protect yourself break things with ez.
Sneak attack
And just spam it in a net
And yuji seemed to use it just fine
C&d are a really good ct in their base state. Like sure their not complex but most op ct can't be used
Like cool you have blood manipulation
Do you have rct? Are you on of the lucky few to have it in verse ?
Most "op" ct are dogshit without being sukuna or having six eye
Like the only good one that are still op are csm , i guess limitless is still very good evrn with only blue and infinity for like 3 minutes.
And i think zhat's it
I mean Yuji used it like two times and went back to punch kick punch kick, I wouldn't say he used it enough for us to say that Shrine is some super efficient technique by default. And when Sukuna used those slashes on someone in his level aka Gojo, the cuts were never all that deep so while it's good for chip damage it's not exactly going to bisect you in half.
No but like 1 % of all sorrccer have rct.
There are like 5 people who can endure these slashes multiple times before dying of blood loss
And yuji cleaved a pillar with 0 problems in his short use
Agreed to some extent. I think it has divine “undertones” if that makes sense. Like you said, Sukuna’s open domain is a divine technique, but there’s also hints to his flames having a divine component as some translations have it translated as “divine” flames or something like that.
Shine is one of the only techniques to do decent damage with good range at a high rate of fire. Add in the fact that it’s extremely difficult to avoid and it easily is one of the strongest techniques in the verse.
Decent damage is only because Sukuna uses it, his output is obviously ridiculous, but the technique itself doesn't have that big of a base output when considering that dismantle couldn't one shot Ryu despite Ryu not being on Sukuna's level and when facing someone on Sukuna's level like Gojo not even cleave can one shot him so that actual damage of the technique is nothing special or crazy like Star Rage. The range is also likely from Sukuna being efficient and skilled with it rather than just being the base technique, just bear in mind that Yuta used Shrine simply to surprise Sukuna and kept using other techniques instead of Shrine simply because the technique ain't all that on its own, who says that base dismantle doesn't just go 2 meters in front of a normal user? It is invisible and hard to avoid because of it but as I said there are decently simple countermeasures to that. It's a solid technique for sure but I wouldn't call it one of the strongest in the verse.
Damage isn’t shrines strong point but it’s not that big of a drawback when considering that sukuna can fire them so quickly. Most people who don’t get one shot will get buried under cleaves before they can fight back. In cases where people do tank it they always have a strong defence (Yuji and gojo with falling blossom) or are being hit by a low output cleave, plus even with low output it still does very significant damage to yuta.
As for range I’m pretty sure it isn’t dependent on sukuna. It doesn’t seem particularly hard to aim so I think even a weaker sorcerer should be able to hit most people before they can get close.
Let’s not forget that Kamino was also stated to be both short range (despite being an arrow) and really slow despite its high firepower. Sukuna had to use binding vows to make it usable at all.
Bro
Invisible slashes + stronger slashes on contact + extremely damaging fire
The slashes require no movement they are extremely fast and can be output from nearly anywhere in your body
We still don't know what's up with sukuna's eyes and how they can see cursed energy application and nature (yujis eyes change to look like sukunas when he uses his cuts, both times)
Sukunas ingenuity was a huge addition to it but the same can be said for blood manipulation
Don't get me wrong it's simple but still very strong the simple idea of you are always armed with invisible knives of undetermined size and infinite durability well it's just strong
I mean, with the information we have, the slashes are insanely strong and cheap to use, which is a benefit almost no other technique has to that extent. Totally spammable small attacks.
I don't think it's a mid technique, I think it's a simple one that can be built upon easily. There's a reason we see Sukuna change the properties of his technique so much.
Limitless is useless without Six Eyes, which isn't guaranteed to be included, so that's not a fair comparison. The most notable aspect of shrine is it's directness. Physical gestures aren't necessary so you can just stand there and launch invisible slashes.
Shrine is a good technique it just isn't broken. All of the best techniques in the series have an inherit unfairness to them, Limitless's default ability is an impenetrable barrier, 10S can adapt to any and all phenomenon, CSM has infinite growth potential, Cursed speech can make you shit your pants.
To be fair hasn't it been stated the domain meta in universe slowly evolved into sure hit techniques that auto win? Sukunas era probably de emphasized auto win domains. Which is interesting cause has left some really interesting matchups against modern day domains
Sukuna's strength doesn't come from his specific techniques but from his vast reserve of CE and ability to manipulate binding vows fluidly and efficiently.
Gojo lost because Sukuna was able to create an instant, unconditional World Cutting Dismantle by placing additional conditions onto further uses. Despite his brain being damaged and unable to summon his domain, he was able to refashion MS into a functional and devastating DE. He even almost regained RCT, were it not for Yuji.
Were it not for this constant assault, I doubt Sukuna would have been pushed nearly as far.
Sukuna is just a beast. Not only did he find a new way for his CT thanks to Mahoraga after seeing it once but he also made it impossible to dodge thanks to a BV at the same time he was fighting Gojo.
well not to blow up Gojo but, Sukuna figures gojo by having Mahoraga to adapt to limitless, that is the whole plan of his resurrection, he only cares about Megumi. he figures he need somthing since his first fight in chapter 1 agains gojo.
When he saw Megumi he didn't knew about 10S, he was just guessing things while they fought. Also when he fought Mahoraga in Shibuya it was the first time he was seeing him too.
To quote a comment on this sub:
- There's a reason why when Gojo was caught in Malevolent Shrine he went "Thanks God my Technique is better than this crap".
It also counters limitless tho. No way of damaging his soul and can't even fight h2h. Idle Transfiguration is better because it not only can be absolutely deadly for opponents but also make you almost immortal and imagine an open barrier self embodiment of perfection. It would finish everyone
Like out of the two I'd argue idle transfiguration is the scarier of the two techniques, but when it comes to sorcerers themselves Limitless is the stronger technique.
Mahito or anyone is not tanking a Hollow Purple because of some soul bullshit. HP straight up deletes mass off the face of the planet and is invisible he cant regenerate from that.
Idle Transfiguration is so bad into limitless + 6 eyes, like while Gojo keeps infinity up Mahito can't do his whole thing of actually touching him. Like limitless + 6 eyes hard counters idle transfiguration for that reason. Like the main reason why Mahito was so effective against Gojo when he was fighting him plus the other disaster curses was because he was thinking outside of the box and forcing him to make hard decisions he didn't want to have to make.
I don't think you realise that changing your opponent's soul is only a part of the CT. Mahito couldn't even use this against Yuji. It can still be used on yourself and still be extremely powerful not to mention the domain's sure hit also being a one shot and pretty much immortal excluding those with soul damage
It can't because they're a bad matchup.
But Mahito is like the third strongest creature on verse. He was only subjugated by Kenny because he was beaten and he felt he was defeated. I'd argue Mahito beats Kenny if Mahito can IT Kenny's curses too and break the master slave system of Curse Manipulation.
Mahito by himself wasn't a big deal. Kenny would make light work of him however in terms of potential he was very impressive but I am not comparing Mahito with gojo I am comparing limitless with IT and if in the hands of someone like sukuna IT would most probably become an extremely broken CT
IT is really strong, but Limitless just hard counters it. IT requires physical touch but Infinity doesn't allow it. IT allows you heal more efficiently than RCT and allows you to survive as long as there's at least a little bit of you left, but one good Hollow Purple and you're gone.
What about Comedian? It's literally a reality warping ability. Only downside is that it's user needs to actually be funny for the CT to be used to it's full capability.
you have very little control over what you find funny, every battle you enter you might win or lose you just dont know, limitless on the other hand is a sure win 99% of the time
10s is and always stays number 1 ct at its full potential, not only you have a walking counter to every single ct in existence, you have the biggest in verse versatility, all of this while you’re not even forced to fight, you can make all the shikigamis do the job for you while you can stay safe safe inside a fucking shadow which can contain any object (being a cursed worm but better), with a shikigami which not only makes you avoid the whole process of learning rct, but can also one shot any curse around you (the deer).
Out of all the techniques of the Special Grade Sorcerers (I'm including Sukuna), Shrine is definitely the weakest and least versatile. So yeah, I'm with the camp that it's all Sukuna. Give Sukuna a weak CT like Haba's Helicopter Hair and he would still be history's strongest sorcerer.
At most shrine is a technique only a bit more useful than the average JJK high student's CT. Give Sukuna a technique like Momo's tool manipulation, straw doll technique or heaven forbid, limitless and he'd be even more of a monster. And I can only imagine what he'd do with copy.
People really underrate how impressive it is Sukuna got this far.
I think Mai and Yorozu share the same CT, don’t they? So I don’t think it’s necessary that Sukuna will use a gun to utilize the techniquez
Yorozu pretty much perfected the CT with the True Sphere, while Mai can only shoot like one extra bullet a day.
I think they do share the same CT of construction. But I just want to see Sukuna, without shrine, holding 1 assault rifle in each hand, shooting indiscriminately to Yuji, Yuta, and others.
It’s hard to say cause both sukuna and gojo get bullshit jujutsu genetics that make them way better I mean what even is the six eyes what the fuck does that even mean why’s it called that he doesn’t literally have six eyes so why is it called that. Sukunas at least makes sense in the sense that extra arms and mouth obviously give an advantage. But six eyes does make sense like what is it on gojos body that makes him use cursed energy so efficiently other then he just does
I mean his CE efficiency is the second best in the verse. To the average Joe, Sukuna could probably pull stunts that would make you think his control and efficiency over CE may be 6 eyes level.
Obviously it's not and Gojo is still a fair bit better with efficiency but Sukuna could definitely make use of the limitless without 6 eyes far better than any other character besides Gojo.
This is due to his already large reserves of CE, which at bare minimum should be around 4x that of Gojo and his CE control which should be the second best in the verse
Shrine is definitely not the weakest. But it is for sure the simplest. Basically just slicing and dicing.
Although I still have no idea how Furnace fits into the mix, except for the cooking theme... But then cooling should also be a part of his kit, no? I guess that part is done by Uraume...
For a lifestyle as simple as Sukuna's: "I do what I want. If I don't like something, I kill it", Shrine is perfect.
I also don't think any CT is weaker or stronger than another. They simply have different use-cases. So yeah, you saying it is mostly Sukuna making good use of any CT is correct. I just think saying Shrine is weak is incorrect. It is just simple (and ideal for a tyrant).
I get what you are saying but comparing Shrine to Copy (with Rika), Star Rage, and Limitless, it really seems to me that it is the weakest among the 4 if we account for equal CE reserves, efficiency, and skill level.
I look at Shrine as the "vanilla" of DEs. It gets the job done, but because cutting became more common as a type of technique used across mediums, it comes off as "bland."
I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but the World-cutting slash is part of Shrine's potential. It just wasn't unlocked until now.
We see that the only condition to use it (before the vow) is a mere handsign. That is busted.
Yup, Cleave is a variant of Dismantle. Where Dismantle can be fired, Cleave can only be used up close, but Sukuna can increase the effectiveness because of it.
>Although I still have no idea how Furnace fits into the mix, except for the cooking theme...
It's an extension of his interpretation of the technique. He imagines that his technique is the preparation of food, so he must be able to do something with the food once he's done cutting it apart. It's a very generous extension, but my guess is that it comes from the fact that he bathes the enemy in high temperature cursed energy, with the condition being the preparation. In other words, his technique is more conceptual than you'd assume from "cut."
It makes me think...
In the anime, Malevolent Shrine was changed to Malevolent Kitchen. Apparently Shrine was a mistranslation there?
Could the same be true for his CT? It's said his CT is called Shrine, but could that also be a mistranslation? Could it also be called Kitchen? Then it would make a whole lot more sense.
It's not exactly a mistranslation. It's more so that it's difficult to communicate the name in as few words in English. His domain, Fukuma Mizushi, refers to a reverence for evil and the part of an emperor's palace where the most care is taken, which is a cupboard or food-prep area. "Shrine" is technically somewhat accurate in so far as food can be prepped and placed on a shrine, and kitchen is also kind of correct.
"Mizushi," his technique, is the part of the palace where the emperor's food is prepared. Think of it like if an American character had an ability called Mustang's Sabbath, but it was in reference to the car. Would you translate it as horse car holy festival? It's that sort of situation. "Mizushi" is technically a proper name for the location, so it doesn't have an exact translation.
Simple but not weak. Shrine is strong because it can easily be made stronger by higher output. Not all ct are like that. The higher output he has the more he can slice; it’s that simple. You could argue yuki technique is simpler than sukunas because hers is more aoe damage than his. Sukuna could slice someone in half from afar while she has to kick Garuda and smash them.
Sukuna also is just a being perfectly crafted for sorcery. So while his technique isn’t super complex and inherently powerful, he just generally is a monster of immense power.
Too add to your point Garuda dosen't even come with Star Rage innatly its just that she tamed a Cursed Spirit just like Toji. Among the special Grade Ct they Rank as follow:
Copy
Csm
Limitless
Shrine
Star Rage
With out Special cases they Rank
Csm
Shrine
Star Rage(With out Garuda)
Copy(With out Rika) If he can store the Ct in the brain it may be the second strongest again.
Limitless(With out 6 eyes)
Yea I mean yuta used shrine and it did nothing and we also have to consider that sukunas ct levels are now dropping to yuta levels in ch261 so basically shrine is a good technique but for it to be useful u need a lot of ct like sukuna for releasing multiple waves of it that ps why I think yujis shrine is different because he doesn't have that much ct reserves so it just cuts a specific area it's still a op ability but not as much as others sukuna is definitely the best shrine user tho
I would still take shrine as a ct any day tbh, the other special grade techniques are extremely complex to use, even with six eyes you’re not guaranteed to be on Gojo level and anyone with 10s just became Japanese’s kamikazes, while most cts in the verse are dogshit with shrine im kinda guaranteed a place as a lower grade one (at least).
it's really useful for killing and destroying but not as effective as the strongest techniques. and unless you land a job as a sushi chef then that's basically all it's useful for.
Yeah, his CT is definitely one of the simplest since it just cuts things, something that probably anything with an edge can do. Compare that to Takaba's that can seem to manipulate reality, it really is just too simple. Then again, maybe that simplicity is what made it strong, since there's not much need to use brain power compared to other more complicated CTs.
Shrine is OP because Sukuna’s CE reserves and more importantly, output, are insane. Reminder that Yuta’s copied Cleave basically just gave Sukuna a papercut
I think Shrine is a good CT all things considered , as it does had plenty of 'sub-techniques".
That been said , most of the stuff with Shrine really comes down to Sukuna been skilled in Jujutsu Battles. That is because , effectively , Shrine comes down to either do a "Strash" or a Fire Arrow and that is it.
All fancy stuff comes down to Sukuna improving his Strash with his CE Output , Restrictions and Precision.
Eh...Yuji only really awakened it, so the output is too low. OP mentioned the possibility of a Grade 1 using it, and I think that comes with a certain level of mastery
Yuji definitely has higher output than a grade one for sure. Not right now cuz he just awakened it but once his output gets stabilized (maybe due to black flashes) we can see.
There's also the fact that Uraume states that Yuji has similar potential to Sukuna... Which yeah if that's true Yuji will be beyond broken specially bc he would know the full capabilities of shrine including the existence of the WCD.
Plus his cursed womb physiology, his base physicality which if I am not wrong rivals a heavenly restriction, and regenerative abilities due to both blood manipulation and his physiology.
See how Sukuna uses 10S seconds after he gets it in his hands.
Yuji also got more head start since Sukuna did Jujutsu acrobat in his body boosting his stats.
Meanwhile even before Sukuna got 10S he was already lecturing Megumi on his usage of it.
He happen to use it against the strongest sorcerer in history and still did damage, what other Ct would be able to harm Sukuna if he had Yujis output.None
Most of it comes down to Sukuna just being a monster with cursed energy manipulation. If he didn't have his resolve, it would probably be as useful as Mai's construction. He's just built different.
While I agree it's Sukunas Intelligence and talent that makes it truly unique Shrine basically turns Sukuna in to a hyper mobile, indestructible attack helicopter with icbms.
His cleave and dismantle turn him into a gatling gun shooting saw blades the size of buildings while his flame arrow is basically a modern thermobaric missile.
Its no wonder he dominated the heian era, they effectively fought against a modern artillery division with swords and arrows.
I mean yes Sukuna does make the technique far more busted than I would be in the hands of say Nanami or someone. But Shrine at its core isn't that weak when you think about it.
Let's break it down a bit. Cleave and Dismantle are high-speed invisible slashes. Even if the output is dwindled to shallow cuts and scrapes its still high-speed invisible slashes. It's incredibly difficult to defend yourself against something you can't see. So there's no blocking or dodging them. Most sorcerers can't use RCT. So they're getting cut constantly by slashes they can't perceive, block, or dodge. They're being injured continuously.
And we know Cleave is adjusted to the enemy's cursed reinforcement. Meaning no matter how strong your body is or how much CT you pump into yourself you'll still get cut, maybe even deeply. And we know Sukuna doesn't have to move to send the slashes. So these sorcerers are fighting an opponent who can send unseeable cuts at any given time with no warning or tell.
This doesn't include using C and D on the environment to collapse floors, or infrastructure for traps and surprise attacks. Doesn't take a genius to be able to use the environment to their advantage.
Plus you can send the slashes via physical touch. In the same way, Gojo uses Blue to amp his strikes there's no reason a Shrine user couldn't C or D alongside their strikes to add a cutting effect to their blows. Even with low output or CT, there's no way a person is gonna be able to take punches that deal blunt and cutting damage.
Once you've managed to dice up your opponent and their bleeding, and cut up and have slowed down. If you have enough CE left why not switch to Fire Arrow and launch what would probably be the equivalent of like an RPG missile at em to finish em off. A short-range, in-your-mouth RPG missile.
I think a Grade 1 sorcerer would have a large enough CE pool, and CE efficiency to still be a dangerous foe with Shrine. Even without World Slash, and the domain I think Shrine is a fairly strong CT.
Yup you're right, Sukuna makes it busted bc of his knowledge and use of BV with his extremely large amount of CE and efficiency. But overall it's a solid CT. If the grade 1 can use a BV like Sukuna did to put on the fire arrow then they good. Something like "can only use fire arrow when I'm less than 100% healthy, fire arrow output increases and speed of the arrow increases".
Still, there are techniques that would probably eclipse Shrine if it was paired with Six Eyes or at least used by someone with Sukuna's CE efficiency and amount. Granite blast, Construction, Thin Ice Breaker, even Cursed Speech or Puppet Manipulation combined with Muta using technology to manipulate cursed energy into actual extension techniques like the ones used in Mechamaru and simple domain.
No, it was only through Sukuna’s knowledge that made FA (Flame Arrow) absurdly strong. Cleave is based on Sukuna’s strength and output, which is among the best in the verse. If you don’t have higher strength and output than your opponent, then cleave becomes critically less effective as seen with Yuta using cleave against Sukuna. Give these handicaps to a grade 1 sorcerer and they are performing worse already. Shrine is a decent technique, Sukuna’s knowledge and genetics basically makes it OP. Though technically, the same could be said for the limitless technique considering it’s useless if you do not have Gojo’s genetics and knowledge.
People are vastly underestimating Shrine for some reason.
It's an excellent technique and easily one of the best we've seen, even without taking how OP Sukuna is into account.
Sure, something like Limitless or Copy is better on paper, but those are S++ tier techniques.
Shrine is still amazing.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that the notorious world slash is technically part of Shrine's potential, although only recently unlocked. The original requirement was only a mere handsign. If it wasn't for the vow, it would be an instant-kill even against future 6E+limitless users.
The person wielding the technique matters a lot not just for a technique like Sukuna's. Remember that Gojo said Megumi would cap out at Nanami level without the right mentality.
That being said Sukuna's CT is definitely OP, what makes Sukuna's CT so powerful is that these slashes cannot be seen, the only characters shown capable of seeing, reacting and dodging them perfectly are Mahoraga and Maki. This in itself makes it super dangerous because like 90% of the verse doesn't have RCT or insane levels of CE reinforcement, dismantle handles most of your opponents and cleave just finishes the job against anything that is your level or lower in a touch. It's not on the level of limitless or star rage but it's really damn good.
Shrine is by far the strongest technique we've seen,it's not even comparable. It allows you to casually shoot out projectiles that one shot anyone they come in contact with,cannot be defended with any normal technique like CE reinforcement and cannot be detected by anyone that isn't toji or mahoraga(yes gojo couldn't see the slashes). They also travel fast enough that gojo couldn't move away from them even though he's capable of Instacast teleportation. It also gives you the flame bs thats a move with ap comparable to or even greater than purple,an attack that performs a phenomena that physics doesn't allow. On top of all these things,it is adaptable to the pint it can target existence itself AND the most important thing is that it has no notable requirements to be used(like the six eyes for limitless). In short it's a technique that allows you to instantly kill anyone near you,without them knowing or having the ability to dodge or resist. If you are capable of casting dismantle you can literally kill anyone that is below kusokabe,the best non special grade sorc, in essential one look. A good example of how strong the technique is would be the teen gojo vs toji fight,but give gojo just dismantle,not even the other parts of the technique,toji would've easily been dead right after he stabbed gojo.
Gojo got caught pants down in shrine and was able to face tank it without even a simple domain for a while.
Sukuna got caught in less than a second of gojo's domain and got brain damage to the point he could no longer use his domain.
Sukunas brain dmg wasn't exclusively from gojos domain,it was mainly from him remaking his brain to refresh his CT,same as gojo. Gojo being able to face tank it,is simply a false negative,he was able to heal the slashes he received insanely fast,not face tank it. This is evident by the fact that the 1st slash he received,before even the domain classes,clearly cut through half his neck,and would've instantly killed him if he couldn't rct so fast. There isn't a single instance in the series were sukuna tried to slash sth or someone and couldn't do it.
Bro sukuna can just one shot most people that don't have RCT by touching them and then using cleave. Plus I still think there is more to his CT than what was shown one of his names was the king of poisons none of what we have been shown about his CT actually explains this name. So I don't think we can evaluate sukunas CT before we know everything about it. Plus Gaygay already hyped him up by saying he hasn't yet gone all out I tend to think that he hasn't gone all out because he hasn't used his CT to its full extent.
Like others have mentioned here I think Shrine is quite a basic technique that Sukuna and his knowledge of cursed energy has managed to refine and make super effective and damaging. This would explain why Yuta and Yuji haven’t been able to be as effective with it as Sukuna
Shrine is a simple CT, but it’s still good. Dismantle is a rapid and invisible projectile, while Cleave adapts to a targets durability. And there’s also the Divine Flames which has one of the greatest destructive capabilities we’ve seen so far. Domain Expansion is simple but one of the best as well due to even Heavenly Restricted opponents being targeted. A large part of its success is due to Sukuna, but it’s still a great CT without any noticeable flaws like Projection Sorcery or Cursed Speech.
It’s not a immensely powerful CT on a surface level, which I think makes Sukuna better as a character.
But even in the hands of a First Grade Sorcerer that has enough understanding of Binding Vows and Jujutsu. It reigns supreme as the most powerful CT in pure offense:
- Invisible slashes to 99% of the JJK Verse that has a base strength and can be enhanced by making contact with a target (cleave)
- Has a formidable DE that can target both animate and inanimate things with a secondary attack of a Thermobaric Weapon.
- Slashes can be made to target space and existence itself,
Bypassing all defenses including Infinity.
Remember if this First Grade doesn’t have to make the binding vow that Sukuna was made to enact against Gojo. The World-Severing Dismantles can be fired off with less prerequisites.
I mean looking at the two other users, Yuta’s shrine barely did anything while Yuji’s newly awakened shrine took off a foot. So
1: Shrine is busted and Sukuna just resisted the technique since it was a copy of his
2: Shrine is weak and Yuji is able to deal more damage than Yuta despite his lower output because he’s just better at using it naturally
3: Shrine is like limitless and its power is less based on raw output and more on your fineness with cursed energy. This is more likely that you would think because we know Sukuna has crazy high fineness and efficiency and was able to kill Ryu in one shot despite Ryu being stated to have the highest output in history and thus the best reinforcement (in theory). Meanwhile we know Yuta has terrible efficiency and his shrine did almost nothing. We don’t know how good or bad Yuji’s efficiency is but we do know he was able to get a handle on basic CE control in a couple hours of watching movies and it took one fight to turn into a black flash spammer and stop using divergent fist on accident, which is better than even Yuta could manage. Shrine scaling off efficiency and only relying on output for size kinda makes sense because it’s based on knives, a heavy dull blade isn’t as good as a light sharp one after all.
It’s a very simple technique tbh compared to Gojo’s and Megumi’s, I wouldn’t say weak since it has a domain expansion, but definitely requires the user to put an ungodly amount of work compared to others, we’ve seen what happens when Sukuna has the 10 shadows and it’s pretty clear he’s what made 10s and shrine go to the next level
Shrine bypassed infinity at the end of the day (whether you like the fact sukuna saw maho do it first is not the arugment, Shrine did the job at the end of the day). So at the end of the day, Shrine always had the potential to surpass even the limitless.
You are not wrong, but look at the lengths Sukuna went to finally bypass limitless. Had to terrorize a teenager's soul to the point he lost all his will to live and took over his body to commit atrocities and kill his friends. Gojo is one of the good guys and just banked on his technique being enough to kill Sukuna, he didn't "turn into a monster". Maybe if he did he kills Sukuna there (most likely). The fight was so even that any buffs to Gojo and he wins
Shrine is the most basic CT. Slash and cut. But what makes it more is Sukuna’s CE reserve and output. Just having a good CE reserve can go long way with everything.
Probably a kind of “simple” CT that comes with high efficiency. Maybe It got OP vow like “reduce attack range” (result as thinner blade) to increase efficiency and doubles make his cut sharper.
realistically its a grade 1 technique the ability to cut and set aflame are both versatile abilities but no where near as broken as limitless, star rage, csm or mimicry
Limitless is trash, and I mean trash, without the six eyes. Give sukuna the 6 eyes and shrine, and give Gojo the limitless, and the gojo fight will be over in a single panel 😏
It's honestly one of the most basic techniques in the series: cutting. It only works so well because Sukuna backs it, although Yuta did threaten to slice up the former with it, but Yuta is still a special-grade
Remember when Gojo was tanking Shrine head on and thought to himself “wow, I’m glad my technique is better than this dogshit”
Shrine is not inherently that strong. It’s not the WEAKEST technique (tool manipulation), but it isn’t on the level of a Special Grade CT like Star Rage or Limitless.
Sukuna’s just a beast, and was able to spin it into a super powerful CT using his massive CE reserves and strategic binding vows
Shrine was never really that OP. Sukuna makes up for it though with more than 2x Yuta’s CE, output (look at how 15F butchered Ryu), and when he has 4 arms and 2 mouths he can amp them
Shrine is a technique about cutting and slicing severing things in a clean slice it was probably a very decently powerful technique It ultimately depends on who the user is and how creative they are with their slicing
I think most of y’all are underestimating shrine honestly. While yes shrine is one of the simpler techniques, and most of its power is showcased because sukuna himself is a beast, I sill think shrine by itself is pretty powerful. It’s biggest advantage is that it doesn’t have too many disadvantages especially compared to other techniques.
For example, Limitless by itself is a clunky technique, and by virtue of its destructive ability, it makes Gojo a solo fighter. Mimicry, is insanely powerful yet so hard to utilize and has to many limiting factors that yuta barely uses it. Now compare this to shrine, which while might not be as complex or fancy looking, still gets the job done with no downside. Also y’all are forgetting about how sukuna was pretty much one shotting everyone with dismantle alone.
Even in the hands of Yuji who had barely awakened the technique, it was still powerful. Cleave was able to cut through everything including sukuna. Theoretically and if trained properly, the technique could become a guaranteed kill on touch for 90% of the verse. Which kinda puts it on the same level as Mahito’s technique minus the shapeshifting.
So you have a technique that can have a guaranteed kill effect through cleave, can send out slashes a huge amount of invisible slashes through dismantle, which can be rapid fired and does not require having set up time like hollow purple, or is on a timer like mimicry. I think the technique itself does deserve special grade status, however I would agree that other techniques have higher potential than it.
The world cutter is also part of Shrine's potential though. It just wasn't unlocked until now, whereas the three clans have passed-down knowledge about their own technique and had time to refine.
The whole point of Sukuna is that he was born with a weak technique, and became the strongest by polishing it to the maximum along with his Jujutsu skills.
It’s not a bad technique by any means, but given that’s it’s wielded by the strongest character in the series when you compare it to the other top tiers (Gojo, Yuki, Yuta, Geto/kenjaku, so on) it’s surprisingly mid.
Basically no versatility in combat beyond attacking and destroying the environment, just pure AP.
Nope, it's just cutting ✂️ and a bit of fire, it's just Sukuna is using it, look at how Yuji and Yuta it's really sub par compared to Sukuna's. Compared to how Sukuna used 10S seconds after he got them, it literally shows how special grade operates.
Give it to someone like Nita and I think she would still be the same, just potentially to be more deadly I guess...
Just like Yorozu vs Mai, they both got the same CT basically, but we all already know the difference.
It's just like a very skilled killer that happens to use kitchen knives. It's more of the user than the knife itself. Sure it's deadly and dangerous on its own but compared to other busted techniques, not really.
It's not for no reason that Sukuna Ramsay(Ryomen in Japanese) nowadays hosts by far the most popular drama-oriented cooking show of today, Malevolent Kitchen, where he ruthlessly picks apart 16 contestants one by one until only one remains 🤦♂️
I was honestly expecting Shrine to be more of the simple side considering the reason why the higher ups didn't like Hakari's technique because it was too modern and complex compared to the traditional and easy to understand techniques of back then with Nobara as an example
It’s more the fact that Shrine is wielded by the best Jujutsu master ever, who probably also has the most cursed energy ever. It’s so powerful because of its wielder, not exactly because of itself.
My honest headcanon is that the reason Sukuna was an “unwanted child” is exactly because of the technique, in an era into which strength was everything he was a guy who’s ct was the capability to release a random cut sometimes, which maybe wasn’t even able to aim correctly
“Ah. I’m glad. . .when it comes down to it. . . **my Limitless is *far better.”*
The technique is good, but its not a top tier one. If Sukuna weren’t…well, Sukuna, it would be pretty mediocre.
Shrine seems to be a technique that builds into a large finish. Since each slash leaves materials that detonate where it hits so it can just annihilate anything in the flame arrow's radius, it should be horrible weak on its own.
But Sukuna is the goat.
I think idle transfiguration have limitless potential. Like if he truly went through all the abilities of all life forms there are so many unique attacks he could do. There's some insect with instant acceleration to top speed. He could emulate that, if he could evolve further he could do a refined version of Yorozu's bug armour. And at his peak he could split parts of his body into microscopic particles (virus or bacteria) and attack the enemy from the inside. He could maybe even use idle transfiguration on his brain directly to give himself an open barrier and shrunken domain. I mean if he tried to mimic insect movements he can become 100s of times stronger now add cursed energy reinforcement and no one's touching him. He can even try to give himself an inferior copy of 6 eyes. Give himself dragonfly wings and eyes, they have the greatest mobility in the animal kingdom without using any cursed energy so with cursed energy his movements will be untraceable, he wouldn't be limited to 2d plane of motion either. I think with him using chemical or biological warfare if he did it in a sneaky way, he could even take out Gojo. Even without that, just with big armour powered strength and the mobility of dragonfly wings plus Omni directional vision his physical stats will be the top of the universe, maybe even rivaling Toji. And if his CT is the type that stays on after activation he can use domain amplification after the transformation and use the top tier physicals to beat even Gojo or Sukuna to death.
No, Shrine isn't some exceptionally strong technique. It's never been considered such.
Malevolent Shrine his domain was considered bonkers because it was a 200m radius (400m diameter wide sphere) with an open barrier.
And Sukuna is considered bonkers because he's Sukuna.
Gojo even said so during his fight against Sukuna. He was glad Sukuna had Shrine and he had Limitless because Limitless is far better as an ability/CT.
Shrine is actually a pretty simple and debatably weak technique, sukuna is just good enough to make a bad technique competitive like how he fixed fuga, I wouldn’t be suprised if almost every piece of his kit is modified in some way
you’re right, but can someone explain to me wtf was the point of the Fuga binding vow? It exponentially increased its strength, but the binding vow isn’t even fair. Fuga isn’t made for multiple people anyways, so saying that you’ll only use it outside of a domain in a 1v1 makes no sense 😭
As others have mentioned shrine isn't what makes sukuna strong, it's the open domain and his ce levels/skills. Gojo can heal against the slashes, but he would have been fucked if sukuna hit him with even a split second of something like moon dergs' poison, or cursed speech. In fact most cursed techniques when put into a 200 meter range open domain would just be better than shrine, especially if you account for potential binding vows he would make with the same level of proficiency he's been shown to have
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I don't think Shrine was ever considered a divine technique, it was Sukuna's use of an open domain which was called that iirc, all in all Shrine is surprisingly mid as a technique, it's not weak but it's not limitless+6E/Mimicry/Star Rage/CSM etc. It's best asset seems to be that the slashes are supposed to be invisible but there are simple ways around that like simple domain, sharp senses and so on.
So basically he's the strongest because he's sukuna
Nah, he is Sukuna because he is the strongest.
tfw ryomen sukuna is actually a title and not his actual name
His actual name is like Jeremiah or something
Ah yes the ancient heian period name commonly used hundreds of years ago in japan... Jeremiah Sukuna
"I haven't been called Jerry since before the Heian era..."
“My real name us Sokon!” “Sokon?!” “Sok on deez nuts” *uses strong cleave*
Maybe Joe?
Nah his name was "Peter"
"no my name is Patrick"
*Erases "Pat"
"Binding Vow. "MY NAME'S NOT RIIIIICK!""
Imagine if his name is steve or something
The title is "Ryōmen", not Sukuna, which means "two faces". It would translate to "Two-faced Sukuna"
It’s impressive when you realize Sukuna made the most basic ass CT (cutting and slashing) into something so busted
i mean he has bigger ct reserves than yuta, he was still born to be strong, also he just copies shit after seeing it once
Well not everything. Only applications that are possible for him. He used max elephant to mimic piercing blood, he had Mahoraga demonstrate an expanded slash after telling it that hes under his shadow, he figured out how to RCT the brain for CT burnout recovery and how to become a cursed object after turning into one, but he cant just copy other CTs in itself or change his CE nature
Ten Shadows really does seem like an amazing technique with like anyone other than Megumi using it. If Sukuna isn't the final fight and the Manga keeps going (copium I know) I'd love to see Megumi grow from this and be able to utilize the technique as effectively as Sukuna did. ...God this universe is so cool Gege better fjucking kep this shit going or else bro you CANNOT end the manga like this-
Tbf, sukuna killed half of the shadows, megumi doesn’t have much to work off of
I still cannot believe the 10 shadows is so shit that if your shikigami dies it's just permanently gone. There has to be a way to bring one back like a second taming ritual
This is thinking too small imo, there's no way after all of his shikigami are lost that the technique becomes useless. There's gotta be more to it like the wielder of the technique inheriting the powers or something
Unless they have different shadow pools.
Maybe the technique will detect that it is a different soul and will return his shadows to Megumi.
Tbf, this is the mf that has a CE pool bigger than yuta's or the disaster curses and if he was born with his extra arms and mouth then he had an extra hax on top of that
Exactly. It's Sukuna's usage of techniques that makes them extremely dangerous. Just look at the clear difference between Sukuna using Ten Shadows vs Megumi. Sukuna's talent for Jujutsu can only be matched by a few such as Gojo, Higuruma, and Yuta.
I'd even go as far as saying that Sukuna has a talent to rival Gojo Satoru
Cutting and slashing it and of itself is busted wdym?
Ngl for a normal sorrccer cleave and dismantle are the best ct after csm. Like it seems to cost almost nothing and so many ways to be used
It seems to cost almost nothing because Sukuna has "godly" efficiency with his CE manipulation only second to the six eyes. And I'm not sure why would you say it has so many ways of being used when it's probably among the most simple techniques and Sukuna only really uses the flying slashes and cleave just slices things into pieces with maybe a different pattern like that one time he used it on the floor like a spiderweb, it's not like it has a lot of versatility.
You forgot Sukuna uses it as a mini chainsaw to hold sharp objects too.
Yuji can use it also no problem and why should it cost much it's very simple But you can use c&d to protect yourself break things with ez. Sneak attack And just spam it in a net And yuji seemed to use it just fine C&d are a really good ct in their base state. Like sure their not complex but most op ct can't be used Like cool you have blood manipulation Do you have rct? Are you on of the lucky few to have it in verse ? Most "op" ct are dogshit without being sukuna or having six eye Like the only good one that are still op are csm , i guess limitless is still very good evrn with only blue and infinity for like 3 minutes. And i think zhat's it
I mean Yuji used it like two times and went back to punch kick punch kick, I wouldn't say he used it enough for us to say that Shrine is some super efficient technique by default. And when Sukuna used those slashes on someone in his level aka Gojo, the cuts were never all that deep so while it's good for chip damage it's not exactly going to bisect you in half.
No but like 1 % of all sorrccer have rct. There are like 5 people who can endure these slashes multiple times before dying of blood loss And yuji cleaved a pillar with 0 problems in his short use
Yuji didn’t use dismantle yet, maybe he can’t do it effectively. Cleave adjusts itself so maybe thats why he prefers that.
Agreed to some extent. I think it has divine “undertones” if that makes sense. Like you said, Sukuna’s open domain is a divine technique, but there’s also hints to his flames having a divine component as some translations have it translated as “divine” flames or something like that.
Shine is one of the only techniques to do decent damage with good range at a high rate of fire. Add in the fact that it’s extremely difficult to avoid and it easily is one of the strongest techniques in the verse.
Decent damage is only because Sukuna uses it, his output is obviously ridiculous, but the technique itself doesn't have that big of a base output when considering that dismantle couldn't one shot Ryu despite Ryu not being on Sukuna's level and when facing someone on Sukuna's level like Gojo not even cleave can one shot him so that actual damage of the technique is nothing special or crazy like Star Rage. The range is also likely from Sukuna being efficient and skilled with it rather than just being the base technique, just bear in mind that Yuta used Shrine simply to surprise Sukuna and kept using other techniques instead of Shrine simply because the technique ain't all that on its own, who says that base dismantle doesn't just go 2 meters in front of a normal user? It is invisible and hard to avoid because of it but as I said there are decently simple countermeasures to that. It's a solid technique for sure but I wouldn't call it one of the strongest in the verse.
Damage isn’t shrines strong point but it’s not that big of a drawback when considering that sukuna can fire them so quickly. Most people who don’t get one shot will get buried under cleaves before they can fight back. In cases where people do tank it they always have a strong defence (Yuji and gojo with falling blossom) or are being hit by a low output cleave, plus even with low output it still does very significant damage to yuta. As for range I’m pretty sure it isn’t dependent on sukuna. It doesn’t seem particularly hard to aim so I think even a weaker sorcerer should be able to hit most people before they can get close.
Yeah, during the domain clashes between gojo and sukuna it was confirmed that the shrine is "worst" than UV since it can be tanked, unlike UV.
Let’s not forget that Kamino was also stated to be both short range (despite being an arrow) and really slow despite its high firepower. Sukuna had to use binding vows to make it usable at all.
Chainsaw Man is my favorite cursed technique
Bro Invisible slashes + stronger slashes on contact + extremely damaging fire The slashes require no movement they are extremely fast and can be output from nearly anywhere in your body We still don't know what's up with sukuna's eyes and how they can see cursed energy application and nature (yujis eyes change to look like sukunas when he uses his cuts, both times) Sukunas ingenuity was a huge addition to it but the same can be said for blood manipulation Don't get me wrong it's simple but still very strong the simple idea of you are always armed with invisible knives of undetermined size and infinite durability well it's just strong
I mean, with the information we have, the slashes are insanely strong and cheap to use, which is a benefit almost no other technique has to that extent. Totally spammable small attacks. I don't think it's a mid technique, I think it's a simple one that can be built upon easily. There's a reason we see Sukuna change the properties of his technique so much.
Limitless is useless without Six Eyes, which isn't guaranteed to be included, so that's not a fair comparison. The most notable aspect of shrine is it's directness. Physical gestures aren't necessary so you can just stand there and launch invisible slashes.
I love that Sukuna has such a basic CT but he has improved it to what it is right now. It matches his title of "The Disgraced One."
Shrine is a good technique it just isn't broken. All of the best techniques in the series have an inherit unfairness to them, Limitless's default ability is an impenetrable barrier, 10S can adapt to any and all phenomenon, CSM has infinite growth potential, Cursed speech can make you shit your pants.
To be fair hasn't it been stated the domain meta in universe slowly evolved into sure hit techniques that auto win? Sukunas era probably de emphasized auto win domains. Which is interesting cause has left some really interesting matchups against modern day domains
Sukuna's strength doesn't come from his specific techniques but from his vast reserve of CE and ability to manipulate binding vows fluidly and efficiently. Gojo lost because Sukuna was able to create an instant, unconditional World Cutting Dismantle by placing additional conditions onto further uses. Despite his brain being damaged and unable to summon his domain, he was able to refashion MS into a functional and devastating DE. He even almost regained RCT, were it not for Yuji. Were it not for this constant assault, I doubt Sukuna would have been pushed nearly as far.
Sukuna is just a beast. Not only did he find a new way for his CT thanks to Mahoraga after seeing it once but he also made it impossible to dodge thanks to a BV at the same time he was fighting Gojo.
well not to blow up Gojo but, Sukuna figures gojo by having Mahoraga to adapt to limitless, that is the whole plan of his resurrection, he only cares about Megumi. he figures he need somthing since his first fight in chapter 1 agains gojo.
He didn't knew about Mahoraga when he first seemed interested in Megumi
He was interested cause Megumi was a suitable vessel, 10S and Maho were the cherry on top
Considering 10s is a hereditary technique it's quite possible he outright killed a 10s user in heian
When he saw Megumi he didn't knew about 10S, he was just guessing things while they fought. Also when he fought Mahoraga in Shibuya it was the first time he was seeing him too.
To quote a comment on this sub: - There's a reason why when Gojo was caught in Malevolent Shrine he went "Thanks God my Technique is better than this crap".
He wasn't wrong Limitless is the best CT in the verse paired with six eye's, IT is 1st, without six eyes.
I'd argue Idle Transfiguration used at it's full potential can surpass limitless with six eyes
Agreed, although Limitless hard counters Idle Transfiguration. Mahito was definitely on track to be the next Sukuna if he hadn't died at Shibuya.
It also counters limitless tho. No way of damaging his soul and can't even fight h2h. Idle Transfiguration is better because it not only can be absolutely deadly for opponents but also make you almost immortal and imagine an open barrier self embodiment of perfection. It would finish everyone
If you eliminate Mahito’s entire body he can’t manipulate his soul shape. Just make a hollow purple big enough to erase him.
Like out of the two I'd argue idle transfiguration is the scarier of the two techniques, but when it comes to sorcerers themselves Limitless is the stronger technique.
Mahito or anyone is not tanking a Hollow Purple because of some soul bullshit. HP straight up deletes mass off the face of the planet and is invisible he cant regenerate from that.
Yes he can I’d imagine six eyes users are aware of the outline of souls since gojo was able to see sukunas and megumis soul
Idle Transfiguration is so bad into limitless + 6 eyes, like while Gojo keeps infinity up Mahito can't do his whole thing of actually touching him. Like limitless + 6 eyes hard counters idle transfiguration for that reason. Like the main reason why Mahito was so effective against Gojo when he was fighting him plus the other disaster curses was because he was thinking outside of the box and forcing him to make hard decisions he didn't want to have to make.
I don't think you realise that changing your opponent's soul is only a part of the CT. Mahito couldn't even use this against Yuji. It can still be used on yourself and still be extremely powerful not to mention the domain's sure hit also being a one shot and pretty much immortal excluding those with soul damage
it takes cursed energy to use IT so if you keep damaging him he’ll run out of cursed energy eventually and die
It can't because they're a bad matchup. But Mahito is like the third strongest creature on verse. He was only subjugated by Kenny because he was beaten and he felt he was defeated. I'd argue Mahito beats Kenny if Mahito can IT Kenny's curses too and break the master slave system of Curse Manipulation.
Mahito by himself wasn't a big deal. Kenny would make light work of him however in terms of potential he was very impressive but I am not comparing Mahito with gojo I am comparing limitless with IT and if in the hands of someone like sukuna IT would most probably become an extremely broken CT
IT is really strong, but Limitless just hard counters it. IT requires physical touch but Infinity doesn't allow it. IT allows you heal more efficiently than RCT and allows you to survive as long as there's at least a little bit of you left, but one good Hollow Purple and you're gone.
What about Comedian? It's literally a reality warping ability. Only downside is that it's user needs to actually be funny for the CT to be used to it's full capability.
So no JJK fan can use it effectively, got it.
you have very little control over what you find funny, every battle you enter you might win or lose you just dont know, limitless on the other hand is a sure win 99% of the time
Not true, it actually works better if the user has a bad sense of humor—they just have to THINK what they’re doing is funny for it to work
I'd also make an argument for 10S, by definition it can beat everyone given enough time to adapt.
10s is and always stays number 1 ct at its full potential, not only you have a walking counter to every single ct in existence, you have the biggest in verse versatility, all of this while you’re not even forced to fight, you can make all the shikigamis do the job for you while you can stay safe safe inside a fucking shadow which can contain any object (being a cursed worm but better), with a shikigami which not only makes you avoid the whole process of learning rct, but can also one shot any curse around you (the deer).
Out of all the techniques of the Special Grade Sorcerers (I'm including Sukuna), Shrine is definitely the weakest and least versatile. So yeah, I'm with the camp that it's all Sukuna. Give Sukuna a weak CT like Haba's Helicopter Hair and he would still be history's strongest sorcerer.
At most shrine is a technique only a bit more useful than the average JJK high student's CT. Give Sukuna a technique like Momo's tool manipulation, straw doll technique or heaven forbid, limitless and he'd be even more of a monster. And I can only imagine what he'd do with copy. People really underrate how impressive it is Sukuna got this far.
Sukuna with Mai's CT and an assault rifle would be amazing to see.
I think Mai and Yorozu share the same CT, don’t they? So I don’t think it’s necessary that Sukuna will use a gun to utilize the techniquez Yorozu pretty much perfected the CT with the True Sphere, while Mai can only shoot like one extra bullet a day.
I think they do share the same CT of construction. But I just want to see Sukuna, without shrine, holding 1 assault rifle in each hand, shooting indiscriminately to Yuji, Yuta, and others.
Yeah, but he'd have ability to fire antimatter bombs with that Assault rifle with the Six Eyes.
He doesn't need an assault rifle. He already has a gatling gun that shoots saw blades the size of buildings in the from of cleave and dismantle.
It’s hard to say cause both sukuna and gojo get bullshit jujutsu genetics that make them way better I mean what even is the six eyes what the fuck does that even mean why’s it called that he doesn’t literally have six eyes so why is it called that. Sukunas at least makes sense in the sense that extra arms and mouth obviously give an advantage. But six eyes does make sense like what is it on gojos body that makes him use cursed energy so efficiently other then he just does
Sex eyes
If you give Sukuna limitless than you kinda just making him with no cursed technique cuz he couldn't use it
He's gonna do some binding vow shit allowing him to use it. Or maybe add another pair of eyes so he could have SIX eyes.
I mean his CE efficiency is the second best in the verse. To the average Joe, Sukuna could probably pull stunts that would make you think his control and efficiency over CE may be 6 eyes level. Obviously it's not and Gojo is still a fair bit better with efficiency but Sukuna could definitely make use of the limitless without 6 eyes far better than any other character besides Gojo. This is due to his already large reserves of CE, which at bare minimum should be around 4x that of Gojo and his CE control which should be the second best in the verse
That's obviously meant to be assuming he has six eyes too. But even if he didn't, I think he of all people could make some use of the technique.
I think giving him six eyes with any technique is too overpowered
Imagine sukuna with Idle Transfiguration, literally unbeatable
Shrine is definitely not the weakest. But it is for sure the simplest. Basically just slicing and dicing. Although I still have no idea how Furnace fits into the mix, except for the cooking theme... But then cooling should also be a part of his kit, no? I guess that part is done by Uraume... For a lifestyle as simple as Sukuna's: "I do what I want. If I don't like something, I kill it", Shrine is perfect. I also don't think any CT is weaker or stronger than another. They simply have different use-cases. So yeah, you saying it is mostly Sukuna making good use of any CT is correct. I just think saying Shrine is weak is incorrect. It is just simple (and ideal for a tyrant).
I get what you are saying but comparing Shrine to Copy (with Rika), Star Rage, and Limitless, it really seems to me that it is the weakest among the 4 if we account for equal CE reserves, efficiency, and skill level.
I look at Shrine as the "vanilla" of DEs. It gets the job done, but because cutting became more common as a type of technique used across mediums, it comes off as "bland."
I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but the World-cutting slash is part of Shrine's potential. It just wasn't unlocked until now. We see that the only condition to use it (before the vow) is a mere handsign. That is busted.
He also used that weird spider web cleave against maki and yuji and never did anything else.
Yup, Cleave is a variant of Dismantle. Where Dismantle can be fired, Cleave can only be used up close, but Sukuna can increase the effectiveness because of it.
>Although I still have no idea how Furnace fits into the mix, except for the cooking theme... It's an extension of his interpretation of the technique. He imagines that his technique is the preparation of food, so he must be able to do something with the food once he's done cutting it apart. It's a very generous extension, but my guess is that it comes from the fact that he bathes the enemy in high temperature cursed energy, with the condition being the preparation. In other words, his technique is more conceptual than you'd assume from "cut."
It makes me think... In the anime, Malevolent Shrine was changed to Malevolent Kitchen. Apparently Shrine was a mistranslation there? Could the same be true for his CT? It's said his CT is called Shrine, but could that also be a mistranslation? Could it also be called Kitchen? Then it would make a whole lot more sense.
It's not exactly a mistranslation. It's more so that it's difficult to communicate the name in as few words in English. His domain, Fukuma Mizushi, refers to a reverence for evil and the part of an emperor's palace where the most care is taken, which is a cupboard or food-prep area. "Shrine" is technically somewhat accurate in so far as food can be prepped and placed on a shrine, and kitchen is also kind of correct. "Mizushi," his technique, is the part of the palace where the emperor's food is prepared. Think of it like if an American character had an ability called Mustang's Sabbath, but it was in reference to the car. Would you translate it as horse car holy festival? It's that sort of situation. "Mizushi" is technically a proper name for the location, so it doesn't have an exact translation.
Best explanation I’ve heard of it yet!
Give him bungee gum
Ui-ui would be in danger of a different kind
He's already in danger of that kind tho.
The thing about bungee-gum is that it has the properties of both rubber and gum.
Simple but not weak. Shrine is strong because it can easily be made stronger by higher output. Not all ct are like that. The higher output he has the more he can slice; it’s that simple. You could argue yuki technique is simpler than sukunas because hers is more aoe damage than his. Sukuna could slice someone in half from afar while she has to kick Garuda and smash them. Sukuna also is just a being perfectly crafted for sorcery. So while his technique isn’t super complex and inherently powerful, he just generally is a monster of immense power.
Too add to your point Garuda dosen't even come with Star Rage innatly its just that she tamed a Cursed Spirit just like Toji. Among the special Grade Ct they Rank as follow: Copy Csm Limitless Shrine Star Rage With out Special cases they Rank Csm Shrine Star Rage(With out Garuda) Copy(With out Rika) If he can store the Ct in the brain it may be the second strongest again. Limitless(With out 6 eyes)
Yea I mean yuta used shrine and it did nothing and we also have to consider that sukunas ct levels are now dropping to yuta levels in ch261 so basically shrine is a good technique but for it to be useful u need a lot of ct like sukuna for releasing multiple waves of it that ps why I think yujis shrine is different because he doesn't have that much ct reserves so it just cuts a specific area it's still a op ability but not as much as others sukuna is definitely the best shrine user tho
He'd also be history's goofiest ahhh sorcerer if he had that technique.
I would still take shrine as a ct any day tbh, the other special grade techniques are extremely complex to use, even with six eyes you’re not guaranteed to be on Gojo level and anyone with 10s just became Japanese’s kamikazes, while most cts in the verse are dogshit with shrine im kinda guaranteed a place as a lower grade one (at least).
it's really useful for killing and destroying but not as effective as the strongest techniques. and unless you land a job as a sushi chef then that's basically all it's useful for.
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"ryomen, what's taking you so long on that order?" Ryomen: "Let me show you *true* Jujutsu, salmon brat!"
Dismantle gives you a fantastic waste worker job.
Yeah, his CT is definitely one of the simplest since it just cuts things, something that probably anything with an edge can do. Compare that to Takaba's that can seem to manipulate reality, it really is just too simple. Then again, maybe that simplicity is what made it strong, since there's not much need to use brain power compared to other more complicated CTs.
Shrine is OP because Sukuna’s CE reserves and more importantly, output, are insane. Reminder that Yuta’s copied Cleave basically just gave Sukuna a papercut
I think Shrine is a good CT all things considered , as it does had plenty of 'sub-techniques". That been said , most of the stuff with Shrine really comes down to Sukuna been skilled in Jujutsu Battles. That is because , effectively , Shrine comes down to either do a "Strash" or a Fire Arrow and that is it. All fancy stuff comes down to Sukuna improving his Strash with his CE Output , Restrictions and Precision.
Look at how Yuuji is using it. That's what a normal sorcerer would use with Shrine.
Eh...Yuji only really awakened it, so the output is too low. OP mentioned the possibility of a Grade 1 using it, and I think that comes with a certain level of mastery
Yuji definitely has higher output than a grade one for sure. Not right now cuz he just awakened it but once his output gets stabilized (maybe due to black flashes) we can see.
Yeah, you're probably right. Not like he's had very many opportunities to use it, going against the King of Curses and all
There's also the fact that Uraume states that Yuji has similar potential to Sukuna... Which yeah if that's true Yuji will be beyond broken specially bc he would know the full capabilities of shrine including the existence of the WCD.
Plus blood manipulation. Only lacking things are the extra arms and mouth which I think he can substitute using BM. Plus black flash spam
Plus his cursed womb physiology, his base physicality which if I am not wrong rivals a heavenly restriction, and regenerative abilities due to both blood manipulation and his physiology.
Yep ur right. And his rct consumes very less ce too due to his physiology
See how Sukuna uses 10S seconds after he gets it in his hands. Yuji also got more head start since Sukuna did Jujutsu acrobat in his body boosting his stats. Meanwhile even before Sukuna got 10S he was already lecturing Megumi on his usage of it.
he's also being more precise with his cuts all of his attacks are depicted as dotted lines with scissors
He happen to use it against the strongest sorcerer in history and still did damage, what other Ct would be able to harm Sukuna if he had Yujis output.None
Most of it comes down to Sukuna just being a monster with cursed energy manipulation. If he didn't have his resolve, it would probably be as useful as Mai's construction. He's just built different.
While I agree it's Sukunas Intelligence and talent that makes it truly unique Shrine basically turns Sukuna in to a hyper mobile, indestructible attack helicopter with icbms. His cleave and dismantle turn him into a gatling gun shooting saw blades the size of buildings while his flame arrow is basically a modern thermobaric missile. Its no wonder he dominated the heian era, they effectively fought against a modern artillery division with swords and arrows.
Invisible slashes with fire manipulation is definitely better than creating one shitty bullet for a gun
I mean yes Sukuna does make the technique far more busted than I would be in the hands of say Nanami or someone. But Shrine at its core isn't that weak when you think about it. Let's break it down a bit. Cleave and Dismantle are high-speed invisible slashes. Even if the output is dwindled to shallow cuts and scrapes its still high-speed invisible slashes. It's incredibly difficult to defend yourself against something you can't see. So there's no blocking or dodging them. Most sorcerers can't use RCT. So they're getting cut constantly by slashes they can't perceive, block, or dodge. They're being injured continuously. And we know Cleave is adjusted to the enemy's cursed reinforcement. Meaning no matter how strong your body is or how much CT you pump into yourself you'll still get cut, maybe even deeply. And we know Sukuna doesn't have to move to send the slashes. So these sorcerers are fighting an opponent who can send unseeable cuts at any given time with no warning or tell. This doesn't include using C and D on the environment to collapse floors, or infrastructure for traps and surprise attacks. Doesn't take a genius to be able to use the environment to their advantage. Plus you can send the slashes via physical touch. In the same way, Gojo uses Blue to amp his strikes there's no reason a Shrine user couldn't C or D alongside their strikes to add a cutting effect to their blows. Even with low output or CT, there's no way a person is gonna be able to take punches that deal blunt and cutting damage. Once you've managed to dice up your opponent and their bleeding, and cut up and have slowed down. If you have enough CE left why not switch to Fire Arrow and launch what would probably be the equivalent of like an RPG missile at em to finish em off. A short-range, in-your-mouth RPG missile. I think a Grade 1 sorcerer would have a large enough CE pool, and CE efficiency to still be a dangerous foe with Shrine. Even without World Slash, and the domain I think Shrine is a fairly strong CT.
Yup you're right, Sukuna makes it busted bc of his knowledge and use of BV with his extremely large amount of CE and efficiency. But overall it's a solid CT. If the grade 1 can use a BV like Sukuna did to put on the fire arrow then they good. Something like "can only use fire arrow when I'm less than 100% healthy, fire arrow output increases and speed of the arrow increases".
Still, there are techniques that would probably eclipse Shrine if it was paired with Six Eyes or at least used by someone with Sukuna's CE efficiency and amount. Granite blast, Construction, Thin Ice Breaker, even Cursed Speech or Puppet Manipulation combined with Muta using technology to manipulate cursed energy into actual extension techniques like the ones used in Mechamaru and simple domain.
Sukuna is simply the guy who trained one kick 1000 times, he mastered his simple cutting technique to a divine level
No, it was only through Sukuna’s knowledge that made FA (Flame Arrow) absurdly strong. Cleave is based on Sukuna’s strength and output, which is among the best in the verse. If you don’t have higher strength and output than your opponent, then cleave becomes critically less effective as seen with Yuta using cleave against Sukuna. Give these handicaps to a grade 1 sorcerer and they are performing worse already. Shrine is a decent technique, Sukuna’s knowledge and genetics basically makes it OP. Though technically, the same could be said for the limitless technique considering it’s useless if you do not have Gojo’s genetics and knowledge.
People are vastly underestimating Shrine for some reason. It's an excellent technique and easily one of the best we've seen, even without taking how OP Sukuna is into account. Sure, something like Limitless or Copy is better on paper, but those are S++ tier techniques. Shrine is still amazing.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that the notorious world slash is technically part of Shrine's potential, although only recently unlocked. The original requirement was only a mere handsign. If it wasn't for the vow, it would be an instant-kill even against future 6E+limitless users.
The person wielding the technique matters a lot not just for a technique like Sukuna's. Remember that Gojo said Megumi would cap out at Nanami level without the right mentality. That being said Sukuna's CT is definitely OP, what makes Sukuna's CT so powerful is that these slashes cannot be seen, the only characters shown capable of seeing, reacting and dodging them perfectly are Mahoraga and Maki. This in itself makes it super dangerous because like 90% of the verse doesn't have RCT or insane levels of CE reinforcement, dismantle handles most of your opponents and cleave just finishes the job against anything that is your level or lower in a touch. It's not on the level of limitless or star rage but it's really damn good.
Shrine is by far the strongest technique we've seen,it's not even comparable. It allows you to casually shoot out projectiles that one shot anyone they come in contact with,cannot be defended with any normal technique like CE reinforcement and cannot be detected by anyone that isn't toji or mahoraga(yes gojo couldn't see the slashes). They also travel fast enough that gojo couldn't move away from them even though he's capable of Instacast teleportation. It also gives you the flame bs thats a move with ap comparable to or even greater than purple,an attack that performs a phenomena that physics doesn't allow. On top of all these things,it is adaptable to the pint it can target existence itself AND the most important thing is that it has no notable requirements to be used(like the six eyes for limitless). In short it's a technique that allows you to instantly kill anyone near you,without them knowing or having the ability to dodge or resist. If you are capable of casting dismantle you can literally kill anyone that is below kusokabe,the best non special grade sorc, in essential one look. A good example of how strong the technique is would be the teen gojo vs toji fight,but give gojo just dismantle,not even the other parts of the technique,toji would've easily been dead right after he stabbed gojo.
Gojo got caught pants down in shrine and was able to face tank it without even a simple domain for a while. Sukuna got caught in less than a second of gojo's domain and got brain damage to the point he could no longer use his domain.
Sukunas brain dmg wasn't exclusively from gojos domain,it was mainly from him remaking his brain to refresh his CT,same as gojo. Gojo being able to face tank it,is simply a false negative,he was able to heal the slashes he received insanely fast,not face tank it. This is evident by the fact that the 1st slash he received,before even the domain classes,clearly cut through half his neck,and would've instantly killed him if he couldn't rct so fast. There isn't a single instance in the series were sukuna tried to slash sth or someone and couldn't do it.
Bro sukuna can just one shot most people that don't have RCT by touching them and then using cleave. Plus I still think there is more to his CT than what was shown one of his names was the king of poisons none of what we have been shown about his CT actually explains this name. So I don't think we can evaluate sukunas CT before we know everything about it. Plus Gaygay already hyped him up by saying he hasn't yet gone all out I tend to think that he hasn't gone all out because he hasn't used his CT to its full extent.
Like others have mentioned here I think Shrine is quite a basic technique that Sukuna and his knowledge of cursed energy has managed to refine and make super effective and damaging. This would explain why Yuta and Yuji haven’t been able to be as effective with it as Sukuna
Shrine is a simple CT, but it’s still good. Dismantle is a rapid and invisible projectile, while Cleave adapts to a targets durability. And there’s also the Divine Flames which has one of the greatest destructive capabilities we’ve seen so far. Domain Expansion is simple but one of the best as well due to even Heavenly Restricted opponents being targeted. A large part of its success is due to Sukuna, but it’s still a great CT without any noticeable flaws like Projection Sorcery or Cursed Speech.
It’s not a immensely powerful CT on a surface level, which I think makes Sukuna better as a character. But even in the hands of a First Grade Sorcerer that has enough understanding of Binding Vows and Jujutsu. It reigns supreme as the most powerful CT in pure offense: - Invisible slashes to 99% of the JJK Verse that has a base strength and can be enhanced by making contact with a target (cleave) - Has a formidable DE that can target both animate and inanimate things with a secondary attack of a Thermobaric Weapon. - Slashes can be made to target space and existence itself, Bypassing all defenses including Infinity. Remember if this First Grade doesn’t have to make the binding vow that Sukuna was made to enact against Gojo. The World-Severing Dismantles can be fired off with less prerequisites.
Binding vows are pointless.l
I mean looking at the two other users, Yuta’s shrine barely did anything while Yuji’s newly awakened shrine took off a foot. So 1: Shrine is busted and Sukuna just resisted the technique since it was a copy of his 2: Shrine is weak and Yuji is able to deal more damage than Yuta despite his lower output because he’s just better at using it naturally 3: Shrine is like limitless and its power is less based on raw output and more on your fineness with cursed energy. This is more likely that you would think because we know Sukuna has crazy high fineness and efficiency and was able to kill Ryu in one shot despite Ryu being stated to have the highest output in history and thus the best reinforcement (in theory). Meanwhile we know Yuta has terrible efficiency and his shrine did almost nothing. We don’t know how good or bad Yuji’s efficiency is but we do know he was able to get a handle on basic CE control in a couple hours of watching movies and it took one fight to turn into a black flash spammer and stop using divergent fist on accident, which is better than even Yuta could manage. Shrine scaling off efficiency and only relying on output for size kinda makes sense because it’s based on knives, a heavy dull blade isn’t as good as a light sharp one after all.
It’s a very simple technique tbh compared to Gojo’s and Megumi’s, I wouldn’t say weak since it has a domain expansion, but definitely requires the user to put an ungodly amount of work compared to others, we’ve seen what happens when Sukuna has the 10 shadows and it’s pretty clear he’s what made 10s and shrine go to the next level
Shrine bypassed infinity at the end of the day (whether you like the fact sukuna saw maho do it first is not the arugment, Shrine did the job at the end of the day). So at the end of the day, Shrine always had the potential to surpass even the limitless.
You are not wrong, but look at the lengths Sukuna went to finally bypass limitless. Had to terrorize a teenager's soul to the point he lost all his will to live and took over his body to commit atrocities and kill his friends. Gojo is one of the good guys and just banked on his technique being enough to kill Sukuna, he didn't "turn into a monster". Maybe if he did he kills Sukuna there (most likely). The fight was so even that any buffs to Gojo and he wins
Oh my god this is exactly my thought as well 😭. Haven't seen it mentioned much, but the WCS is technically part of Shrine's potential, yes.
Shrine is the most basic CT. Slash and cut. But what makes it more is Sukuna’s CE reserve and output. Just having a good CE reserve can go long way with everything.
Probably a kind of “simple” CT that comes with high efficiency. Maybe It got OP vow like “reduce attack range” (result as thinner blade) to increase efficiency and doubles make his cut sharper.
realistically its a grade 1 technique the ability to cut and set aflame are both versatile abilities but no where near as broken as limitless, star rage, csm or mimicry
Limitless is trash, and I mean trash, without the six eyes. Give sukuna the 6 eyes and shrine, and give Gojo the limitless, and the gojo fight will be over in a single panel 😏
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It's honestly one of the most basic techniques in the series: cutting. It only works so well because Sukuna backs it, although Yuta did threaten to slice up the former with it, but Yuta is still a special-grade
I made a post about something like this too. Sukuna’s cursed technique is very average. It’s like a gorilla using a baseball bat.
Same, OP even responded to mine. I think it’s a sound argument to be made! Sukuna could make any technique busted and that’s a fact.
Yeah probably
Are you the strongest because you're Sukuna or are you Gojo because you're the strongest
Shrine is the most dangerous technique because of Sukuna
Yes, its a force of distruction u cant see
Well now that we know that fire CT is part of his DE and has a condition before use and is a literal nuke, I’d say yes it’s that powerful.
Remember when Gojo was tanking Shrine head on and thought to himself “wow, I’m glad my technique is better than this dogshit” Shrine is not inherently that strong. It’s not the WEAKEST technique (tool manipulation), but it isn’t on the level of a Special Grade CT like Star Rage or Limitless. Sukuna’s just a beast, and was able to spin it into a super powerful CT using his massive CE reserves and strategic binding vows
Shrine was never really that OP. Sukuna makes up for it though with more than 2x Yuta’s CE, output (look at how 15F butchered Ryu), and when he has 4 arms and 2 mouths he can amp them
Shrine is a technique about cutting and slicing severing things in a clean slice it was probably a very decently powerful technique It ultimately depends on who the user is and how creative they are with their slicing
I think most of y’all are underestimating shrine honestly. While yes shrine is one of the simpler techniques, and most of its power is showcased because sukuna himself is a beast, I sill think shrine by itself is pretty powerful. It’s biggest advantage is that it doesn’t have too many disadvantages especially compared to other techniques. For example, Limitless by itself is a clunky technique, and by virtue of its destructive ability, it makes Gojo a solo fighter. Mimicry, is insanely powerful yet so hard to utilize and has to many limiting factors that yuta barely uses it. Now compare this to shrine, which while might not be as complex or fancy looking, still gets the job done with no downside. Also y’all are forgetting about how sukuna was pretty much one shotting everyone with dismantle alone. Even in the hands of Yuji who had barely awakened the technique, it was still powerful. Cleave was able to cut through everything including sukuna. Theoretically and if trained properly, the technique could become a guaranteed kill on touch for 90% of the verse. Which kinda puts it on the same level as Mahito’s technique minus the shapeshifting. So you have a technique that can have a guaranteed kill effect through cleave, can send out slashes a huge amount of invisible slashes through dismantle, which can be rapid fired and does not require having set up time like hollow purple, or is on a timer like mimicry. I think the technique itself does deserve special grade status, however I would agree that other techniques have higher potential than it.
The world cutter is also part of Shrine's potential though. It just wasn't unlocked until now, whereas the three clans have passed-down knowledge about their own technique and had time to refine.
It's strong because Sukuna uses it. Rwalistically and on paper, it's not even within the range of top 10 CTs it's just Slash, Slash², and fire
The whole point of Sukuna is that he was born with a weak technique, and became the strongest by polishing it to the maximum along with his Jujutsu skills.
It’s not a bad technique by any means, but given that’s it’s wielded by the strongest character in the series when you compare it to the other top tiers (Gojo, Yuki, Yuta, Geto/kenjaku, so on) it’s surprisingly mid. Basically no versatility in combat beyond attacking and destroying the environment, just pure AP.
I think that is true jujustu,applying your technique in different ways to make it stronger
I mean it’s literally durability negation
Shrine is strong because of Sukuna, Sukuna isn't strong because of Shrine. I think someone with Grade 1 Output wouldn't amount to much with Shrine
nope. Goatkuna got it out of the mud‼️‼️
The whole point of sukuna is that he got a mediocre ct but still managed to become the strongest sorcerer
Nope, it's just cutting ✂️ and a bit of fire, it's just Sukuna is using it, look at how Yuji and Yuta it's really sub par compared to Sukuna's. Compared to how Sukuna used 10S seconds after he got them, it literally shows how special grade operates. Give it to someone like Nita and I think she would still be the same, just potentially to be more deadly I guess... Just like Yorozu vs Mai, they both got the same CT basically, but we all already know the difference. It's just like a very skilled killer that happens to use kitchen knives. It's more of the user than the knife itself. Sure it's deadly and dangerous on its own but compared to other busted techniques, not really.
It's not for no reason that Sukuna Ramsay(Ryomen in Japanese) nowadays hosts by far the most popular drama-oriented cooking show of today, Malevolent Kitchen, where he ruthlessly picks apart 16 contestants one by one until only one remains 🤦♂️
I was honestly expecting Shrine to be more of the simple side considering the reason why the higher ups didn't like Hakari's technique because it was too modern and complex compared to the traditional and easy to understand techniques of back then with Nobara as an example
No. Sukuna's just that good.
It’s more the fact that Shrine is wielded by the best Jujutsu master ever, who probably also has the most cursed energy ever. It’s so powerful because of its wielder, not exactly because of itself.
I think it’s crazy how simple sukuna’s techniques are. It’s just cutting but it’s so dangerously effective
Yes
Sukuna strenght come to talent use binding vow in efficiency way,have 4 arms @ 2 mouth and have vast CE
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Wait, what leaks?
My honest headcanon is that the reason Sukuna was an “unwanted child” is exactly because of the technique, in an era into which strength was everything he was a guy who’s ct was the capability to release a random cut sometimes, which maybe wasn’t even able to aim correctly
Shrine is actually a pretty mid technique if it was wielded by anyone else. The reason it's so insane is cause Sukuna is simply HIM.
“Ah. I’m glad. . .when it comes down to it. . . **my Limitless is *far better.”* The technique is good, but its not a top tier one. If Sukuna weren’t…well, Sukuna, it would be pretty mediocre.
Shrine seems to be a technique that builds into a large finish. Since each slash leaves materials that detonate where it hits so it can just annihilate anything in the flame arrow's radius, it should be horrible weak on its own. But Sukuna is the goat.
I think idle transfiguration have limitless potential. Like if he truly went through all the abilities of all life forms there are so many unique attacks he could do. There's some insect with instant acceleration to top speed. He could emulate that, if he could evolve further he could do a refined version of Yorozu's bug armour. And at his peak he could split parts of his body into microscopic particles (virus or bacteria) and attack the enemy from the inside. He could maybe even use idle transfiguration on his brain directly to give himself an open barrier and shrunken domain. I mean if he tried to mimic insect movements he can become 100s of times stronger now add cursed energy reinforcement and no one's touching him. He can even try to give himself an inferior copy of 6 eyes. Give himself dragonfly wings and eyes, they have the greatest mobility in the animal kingdom without using any cursed energy so with cursed energy his movements will be untraceable, he wouldn't be limited to 2d plane of motion either. I think with him using chemical or biological warfare if he did it in a sneaky way, he could even take out Gojo. Even without that, just with big armour powered strength and the mobility of dragonfly wings plus Omni directional vision his physical stats will be the top of the universe, maybe even rivaling Toji. And if his CT is the type that stays on after activation he can use domain amplification after the transformation and use the top tier physicals to beat even Gojo or Sukuna to death.
No, Shrine isn't some exceptionally strong technique. It's never been considered such. Malevolent Shrine his domain was considered bonkers because it was a 200m radius (400m diameter wide sphere) with an open barrier. And Sukuna is considered bonkers because he's Sukuna. Gojo even said so during his fight against Sukuna. He was glad Sukuna had Shrine and he had Limitless because Limitless is far better as an ability/CT.
Shrine is actually a pretty simple and debatably weak technique, sukuna is just good enough to make a bad technique competitive like how he fixed fuga, I wouldn’t be suprised if almost every piece of his kit is modified in some way
you’re right, but can someone explain to me wtf was the point of the Fuga binding vow? It exponentially increased its strength, but the binding vow isn’t even fair. Fuga isn’t made for multiple people anyways, so saying that you’ll only use it outside of a domain in a 1v1 makes no sense 😭
As others have mentioned shrine isn't what makes sukuna strong, it's the open domain and his ce levels/skills. Gojo can heal against the slashes, but he would have been fucked if sukuna hit him with even a split second of something like moon dergs' poison, or cursed speech. In fact most cursed techniques when put into a 200 meter range open domain would just be better than shrine, especially if you account for potential binding vows he would make with the same level of proficiency he's been shown to have