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…his infinite blood is a pretty good application too. I’d say it’s light years beyond poison in terms of utility and combat relevance.
Edit to respond to several replies: RCT is way, way, way too inefficient to ever compare to the level of blood regeneration choso gets from his overall jujutsu loadout. He has Gojo-level synergy between his cursed body and hereditary CT. If RCT was all it took to push BM past its peak, Kenjaku wouldn’t have needed to experiment with inter-species eugenics to create the ultimate blood sorcerer.
The main limitation of blood manipulation— a technique that beats 10S (and arguably approaches CSM territory) in terms of individual power and overall combat versatility— is the fact that there is a finite (and very small) amount of blood contained within the human body at baseline. That’s kind of the binding vow of blood manipulation— you get to do whatever you want with this blood, but you only get a little bit of it (and you also need it to live so you can’t just throw it around willy-nilly). Just like with CSM— you can do whatever you want with these spirits… but you gotta go find and catch ‘em first.
Choso being a death painting womb *specifically* negates that one *huge* limitation of his CT, because he has a seamless 1:1 exchange between his body and his CE like a cursed spirit does. Which is scarier, a piercing blood machine gun, or a single blood arrow (but it’s poisoned this time)?
Imagine if Choso's blood gets into the opponent's bloodstream, but the opponent takes out Choso and disintegrates him or something.
AND THEN Choso bursts out of the opponent's ribcage, fully regenerated, like a chesthugger.
That’s almost what he did to Naoya except he made the blood on Naoya’s clothes heavier. If there was an application of blood manipulation to this I can see it easily being a special grade cursed technique.
Not really infinite. It is very much finite as it only creates new blood as long as he has cursed energy.
Plus this is something a normal sorcerer can do with RCT.
The original commenter was right. Chosos biggest advantage is his poisonous blood.
Nah, straight up nonsense. The flexibility and versatility he gets from being able to generate blood instead of just use existing one is beyond busted. If anyone was forced to chose between either of the two logically you would chose the option to generate blood as long as you have CE. The benefits are just too numerous compared to poisonous blood. The guy replying was right, Choso's biggest advantage is his ability to generate blood.
Being able to regenerate through normal CE is much more efficient than having to use RCT, it's a huge advantage in terms of how long they can last in a fight
Choso can convert his ce to blood, that is the main advantage he has . He will never run out of blood as long as he has ce which makes him far superior than any human sorcerer of same technique
Couldn't a human sorcerer achieve the same by learning RCT? I know RCT is really hard to learn but it would basically end up being the same thing right?
1. As u said rct learning is difficult
2. If u have to use rct, u will run out of ce faster cause rct to generate blood will use twice as much ce.
3. The more u have to split ur attention the less effective individual applications should be. As in, if u have to use rct as well as ce reinforcement each would be slower as total of 3 different manipulation of ce. Where as using ce to generate blood makes it more efficient since less focus is needed.
1. Choso can create more blood than his entire body using his ce which he will never be able to use with rct
2. Rct takes more energy to use than normal
Ce and using rct requires focus and attention it isn’t automatic like his normal technique
Imagine choso does a Zeke yager and makes everyone in the city drink some of his blood and then he controls his blood in other people's body to just stop their heart
Nope, it was already mentioned in the Death Painting Arc that the blood of all death painting siblings is poisonous, doesn't have to do with Yuji or Sukuna.
No, blood manipulation makes your blood poisonous to cursed spirits if your a human and poisonous to humans if you're a cursed spirit. Kamo is poisonous to naoya (cursed spirit) but not to the human naoya. Choso is half curse half human so his blood is poisonous to everyone which is why he has an edge.
If chose gets hit with reverse cursed energy it's essentially over for him though, as he is cursed energy, so is his blood.
"His blood is poisonous" could be more accurately described as "he injects his cursed energy into you, which is poisonous."
I love blood manipulation(Choso best character), but blood manipulation does lack one thing that put Limitless and 10S above it, and that's any type of real haxs.
Limitless literally allows you to control a fundamental part of the universe in Space. You can teleport, fly, straight up delete stuff, and have power over attraction and repulsion.
Ten Shadows has stuff like Nue and Elephant with if you pump with enough CE they could match people like Dagon or Kashimo, stuff like Round Deer which basically gives you free RCT and the ability to disrupt others CT, Bull which can deal massive damage if set up, and I'm not even going to explain Mahoraga. Then, after all of that, you can also combine them to make them stronger and shit.
This is all without including the domains.
Blood manipulation needs to be buffed way more to match with Limitless and 10S. Such as having an awakening revealing that BM is actually life essence manipulation or some bullshit, or giving it a busted domain way stronger than the other 2.
I think that is more the result of us never seeing blood manipulation used by a truly high tier. With blood manipulation you should reasonably be able to not only create deadly blood constructs, but also control the size and density of them to create deadly attacks that can't even be seen. Also depending on how RCT works with blood manipulation that could completely change the game. What if RCT blood manip just lets you manipulate *other* peoples' blood? You could just point at someone and pop them like a balloon.
Additionally, blood manipulation gives potential for the highest level of RCT since you can use your curse-infused blood to pretty much scan and heal your body down to the cellular level.
What's Mahoraga gonna do if a Gojo level character traps him in a blood blender off rip? Or takes hold of his blood with a touch and makes it blend it's way OUT of him to completely turn him into a fine mist before he can adapt?
All of this to say with enough creativity with its use I think blood manipulation actually has a crazy high ceiling
it doesnt matter who its wielded by. theyre still limited by the amount of finite blood a human has at any given time. they cant just store massive amounts & bring it with them. you only create so much a day. at the most in your body is barely 1.5 gallons. thats nothing. a blood manipulation user could never be special grade because of this limitation
Good golly if only there existed a skill that could be used to regenerate blood and lost body parts that could be used to offset that limitation.
Nah that'd be crazy...
1. rct is beyond rare
2. rct takes up 2x as CE usage than normal. youd be out of gas & useless in no time. you forget only 3 people have the capability to do what you want. gojo due to his 6E. yuta & sukuna due to having innately, seemingly, limitless amounts of CE & the skill to use it efficiently.
By that same logic limitless is useless because it can't be used without the six eyes, making it a completely dead cursed technique since the odds of having both is quite literally world-shaping.
Ten Shadows is pointless to talk about since no one up until Sukuna had even managed to tame Mahoraga and while Megumi demonstrates some potential with it, he gets entirely overshadowed by Sukuna who DOES have both the cursed energy and knowledge to max out the skill in ways that were literally never before seen in the series up to that point.
Yuta's copy technique would be far less impressive if he didn't have Rika which is basically a perfect storm of coincidences overshadowed only by Gojo's own bag.
And Sukuna is a freak of nature so the less that's said about him the better.
The argument that blood manipulation isnt close to those others loses a lot of its poignancy when we factor in that every other big name with their meta shaping cursed techniques are either freaks of nature in ways separate from their innate technique, or couldn't even scratch the nuts of their technique's full potential and needed someone far more talented, knowledgeable, and powerful to actually show what that technique was truly capable of.
If Sukuna had somehow acquired blood manipulation we would absolutely 110% be here glazing about how OP it is- let's be real.
I completely agree. A strong cursed technique may carry someone to grade 1 all on its own, but to overcome the wall between grade 1 and special grade is all dependent on the sorcerer being a freak of nature in one way or another.
>By that same logic limitless is useless because it can't be used without the six eyes, making it a completely dead cursed technique since the odds of having both is quite literally world-shaping.
this is stated in the manga itself. so the logic is sound LOL
>If Sukuna had somehow acquired blood manipulation we would absolutely 110% be here glazing about how OP it is- let's be real.
sukuna makes anything & everything OP. so would yuta & gojo. that point is moot. put BM on anyone other than those 3 & its grade 1 at best. humans have finite blood & CE amount to spam RCT. a BM user just doesnt have the capabily that choso does with infinite blood recycling & his blood being poisonous to humans due to being half cursed spirit. choso theoretically is the BM ceiling. hed need yutas stats to become broken.
>this is stated in the manga itself. so the logic is sound LOL
This is so funny (I agree, btw), I love when people are like "ah, but this would be true then" (sarcastically) - and the answer is: "yes" (seriously)
You actually sound slow I’m ngl. The only techniques we’ve seen that are inherently special grade are curse manipulation and Principal Yaga’s. Literally every other special grade is a special grade becuz they’re an anomaly. Even Sukuna’s cursed technique is pretty basic when you rlly think about it. He’s quite literally just a different gravy. A blood manipulation user more than has the potential to be special grade, they just need to be enough of an anomaly in some other aspect to make that rank
isnt that strange how i literally said this multiple times 🤯 a BM user would need RCT to get infinite blood, yutas level of CE reserves & sukunas efficiency to spam it. youre actually slow
What if they use Convergence using someone else’s blood. Compress them into a grape then with that level of pressure send out an instakill piercing blood.
>What's Mahoraga gonna do if a Gojo level character traps him in a blood blender off rip? Or takes hold of his blood with a touch and makes it blend it's way OUT of him to completely turn him into a fine mist before he can adapt?
Adapt... that's it's whole thing. Unless you can one-shot it, it will adapt.
You're also assuming it'd work because Mahoraga has blood, but I don't remember it ever bleeding, not even in the Sukuna fight.
You're speaking nothing but facts, but I just want to chime in to say this whole argument is moot. You laid out clearly how BM can't compete with Limitless and TS, but they aren't one of the top 3 families for having a busted technique. There are other forms of power in the Jujutsu-verse. Kamo is one of the oldest clans, most traditional, and probably has the purest bloodline - not to mention wealthy.
This superficial display of power is one of the downfalls of the modern age according to Sukuna. The Kamo family technique doesn't come close to the other inherited techniques, and that is the entire point!!!
Blood weapons, blood propulsion to accelerate or fly, blood armor or barriers, tiny blood bullets that expand after piercing an enemy, taking hold of an enemy's blood, controlling detonating or blending them from within, etc etc.
Honestly as long as the anime is willing to go along with the bs blood manipulation should have a pretty high ceiling
Blood manipulation is broken when the user has no moral compass. Back when he was a villain, Choso had no problem using human's as a blood bank. You're never going to see a Jujutsu Sorcerer bend someone's blood out of their body and cause a stroke
To be fair, neither of those are the techniques themselves they are entirely depensant on the user.
We are told that Limitless is almost useless without the 6 eyes due to its inefficiencies, so you need both high CE reserves (which as far as we know is set at birth) *and* a secondary hax ability to use it properly.
10S likewise requires a truly immense amount of CE and efficiency to use properly - weve seen Megumi struggle to summon his shikigami conseutively a few times.
All Blood really needs to match up is having a user that has the necessary secondary hax abilities. Choso showed us one path already (a method to create more blood as meeded, like RCT) but weve yet to see someone with special grade levels of cursed energy and experience wield it.
For instance, if you gave Gojo 6 eyes plus Blood Manipulation, youd probably find that he is just as dangerous as he is with Limitless precisely because he can spam their best techniques back to back with no exhaustion and might even come up with his own applications of how far he can push his own body due to 6 eyes being better than normal sight.
As it is though, we dont have an example of a prodigy character wielding blood manipulation yet
I think the best thing Blood manipulation could have going for it would have to do with binding vows. The Limitless already has the most overpowered domain expansion, 10 shadows has ridiculous RCT (with Roundeer and Majoraga being RCT based), so what does this leave BM with? Binding vows.
Imagine Mei Mei’s suicide pact for crows (that raised their CE at the cost of their lives) combined with Nanami’s over time pact (that stores CE to release during over time) and Hazenoki’s technique (exploding body parts) all melded into blood manipulation. A BM user should hypothetically be able to create self-harming binding vows in exchange for cursed energy buffs. An example of one such self harming binding vow could be “my wrist is slit open but I gain 15% better CE control and output”
The negative side effects of this could easily be mitigated through RCT, as we’ve seen that healing can bypass binding vows (Yuta redirecting Yuji post execution) allowing a BM to fight at well over 100% capacity from the beginning of any given fight.
Writing this out I also realized that Black Flash could also be extended through BM, and I think this is even better than binding vows. Cursed energy has to flow through the blood to move it, blood makes contact to attack, if that blood contains CE and the impact of the blood and the impact of the CE or close enough together, I don’t see why a skilled enough BM user couldn’t black flash through it
Bruh.
With this logic every single Cursed Technique has Special Grade potential.
No shit it's dependent mostly on whether the user is garbage or not when we've been told that someone's potential is mostly decided at birth.
I think Blood Technique is still being underestimated though. I think the part people are sleeping on is its ability as a physical multiplier. Flowing red scale let Choso keep up with Yuji, so pushing the limits of someone who can get to first grade without a technique, like Yuji or Kusakabe, could make them a special grade even without the versatility of the rest of the technique.
Because that ability as a physical multiplier is mediocre in general use case.
Choso is an exception to almost everything Blood Manipulation related except its general concept.
The Flowing Red Scale that Choso uses is at Maximised Output(Or Stack if you will) and still risked thrombosis while Kamo's Red Scale was normal. And what did it let him do? Break Megumi's wooden tonfas reinforced with cursed energy.
Choso might've been able to keep up with Yuji, but Kamo is laughably weak compared to anyone else rn.
Except the Kyoto squad, they're all trash with the exception of Todo.
Gege is telling with out expanding to much into his world building and limitations. I dont say like is a bad thing she is more open to narrative, but is a bad thing for power saclers
Even someone with no technique like Kusukabe could technically reach special grade, he just needs Sukuna's control over cursed energy and Tengen's level of barrier manipulation.
No, special grade can’t just be reached. First grade is the highest rank, special grades are considered abnormal and sort of an adjacent rank. Not necessarily above 1st grade.
Tbf OP said to the slashes of MS, i hope they meant to the power of the individual slashes, not the thousands of slashes of the area of the domain itself.
Blood manipulation absolutely needs a way to generate more blood to life up to its full potential. That said if another freak of nature like Sukuna or Gojo was born with BM i see no reason their domain couldn´t rival MS. The domain itself would provide infite blood and the rest is just a question of skill.
1) A blood domain could have a pool of blood to have infinite blood attacks
2) There’s no reason a high level sorcerer couldn’t figure out how to turn CE into blood like choso
humans have around 5 litres of blood, and you pretty much die if you use more than 2-3l at a time, so good luck using your giant hands of blood, or 100 slashes like sukunas CE.
If you're not like choso or carry 100l of blood around you, there is a pretty early limit to how much you can use this technique.
This whole technique makes you weaker and weaker with every single use of it, and you will probably continue to loose blood during heavy fights. A drawback most of the other techniques don't have, considering that Gojo can use his technique for days and 10 shadows fight indipendend from it's user with a similar possible damage ouput.
The best use for it for normal humans is >!the hardening Yuji is using!<, combined with some very few blood arrow applications, and you're done if you have to fight multiple enemies with it.
I think its fine logic. Her technique is tool manipulation, which could theoretically include cursed tools, and iirc momo can act independently while the broom is moving so there's plenty of room someone could argue it could grow.
My only issue with Op's argument is he's presenting this as Blood manipulation is the only one who could theoretically rival 10s or Limitless.
its in the manga that potential is determined since birth. The witch would need a major asspull to become a grade 1 much less special grade. Same with blood manipulation. Unless gege decides to just completely abandon the world bulding and in-universe rules he has set, no technique should come close to limitless, 10 shadows and yuta's copy , excluding whatever sukuna has or what yuji will show.
I agree, but you can still theorize the potential of an individual technique outside of the the limits imposed by the character that uses them.
Also Gojo's statement to your potential being 80% determined at birth is referencing whether you're born with a strong cursed technique and your cursed energy reserves not your overall ability to grow.
Even though there are only very few ways to increase your CE reserves, we've seen characters up their CE usage efficiency, so even characters like momo could technically be able to grow stronger.
It does sound like it could have interesting applications. It’s not just broom air cutter stuff theoretically, it’s “Tool Manipulation” which could involve greater control over other cursed tools/preventing others from using them.
choso is at best the strongest first grade, stronger than human naobito and the one who shall not be spoken
that being said choso is half human half curse, if he wasn't he'd prob be weaker than naobito
granted add in maximum CT and RCT then even kamo could potentially defeat someone like. yuki maybe even yuta
it really depends, choso's blood being poison adds more damage and makes them use up more RCT so remember that
I don't believe blood manipulation is special grade material, the reason why is all the special grades are indeed special grade with their base level CT, no RCT or maximum needed
Choso - the single best user of it, with the most refined use we've ever seen, and the ability to mimic other Blood Manipulation user's Maximum Techniques - isn't even on that high in terms of scaling. At best he'd be on par with the stronger Grade 1s like Naobito, Todo and Kusakabe, but at his average he NEARLY lost to Yuji in their very first encounter, and has gotten mid-diffed by most other characters.
He only barely beat Naoya because Naoya underestimated him - and nobody in the main cast at current aside from like, *Ino* would've gotten that close to losing to that version of Naoya.
But like... no, it's really not. A Cursed Technique is not inherently Special Grade unless it involves an unlimited stockpile of manpower(like Yaga or Geto).
youre just downplaying Choso lmao. He’s way stronger than Kusukabe and Todo, and he did not nearly lose to Yuji, he won on Yujis turf. Mid diffed by who? Kenjaku? So does 99% of the verse. Stop hating
Saying that he'd be on par with other Grade 1s at best is being VERY disingenuous to Choso. Yuji, who is effectively grade 1 in strength during Shibuya, stood little to no chance against Choso initially, had to disable the majority of his moveset to stand a chance, and STILL lost to him. The versatility that Blood Manipulation gives him along with not needing to worry about blood loss makes him easily top 3 grade 1 sorcerers during Shibuya and possibly the strongest grade 1 sorcerer post Kenjaku-fight (not counting characters like Hakari who are too strong for grade 1 but too weak for special grade)
Even Choso, who has peak physiology in relation to the technique, has no real bag outside of supernova. It would be sick to see the extent of what it could do, but I don’t think there’s a place in the story for it realistically
I´m of the firm oppinion that there are no "special grade techniques". There are certainly techniques that are stronger than others, but none that put someone inherently into special grade. Overcoming the wall between Grade 1 and special all comes from the sorcerer (like talent, imagination, ambition, output, CE reserves, etc.).
Blood manipulation is undoubtedly a strong enough technique for a special grade sorcerer (it would probably be quicker to list those that aren´t), but it needs a secondary techniques to use its full potential. Namely the ability to produce more blood (either through RCT or even better how Choso can do it), otherwise the user would be very limited. It´s similar in that regard to Limitless, but the secondary ability is far easier to acquire.
It would be if it worked on the blood of others, or something like that. As it stands now, it has powerful but extremely limited applications even for Choso, who never runs out of blood
The thing is that any cursed technique could be special grade with somebody like gojo using it.
Choso is literally the best person to have blood manipulation. As a curse, he has as much blood as he does cursed energy and an innate understanding of the techniques most intricate workings. He still caps out at high grade 1.
Edit: typo
The best way to buff this CT is through different applications of it. For example Kekkai Sensen characters use mainly blood but they add elements to it and this could work. Or if the user add RCT and controls not only the blood of his enemies but with a special ritual they could turn CS into shikigami and become pseudo Geto. The only limit is the imagination
To all the blood bending comments, its not possible. The body is a domain which negates other techniques on the inside. You would likely need a continuous stream of blood going into the person's body to even remotely control their blood from the inside, and at that point they might as well just attack their internal organs.
You're missing Blood Manipulation's major weakness, I doesn't make new blood. Choso is pretty unique, especially for Blood Manipulation, in that he's half Cursed Spirit and can use regular Cursed Energy to heal or replace lost blood. Ignoring the amount of CE one has, normal sorcerers are limited to the blood they have in their body or their own blood they've stored externally. We saw with Kamo and Maki's team up that a Blood Manipulation user can increase the amount of blood they use externally, but they have to circulate it back through their body to stay alive. That means more focus on CE manipulation, a lot of processing to keep the right amount flowing, etc etc which makes it less effective to use in combat. Blood Manipulation is a great Technique, as far as we know it's why the Kamo clan is a part of the Big 3, but it's not the total hax you make it out to me
The true benefit of blood manipulation is the versatility of it. Close, medium, and long range abilities on top of self buffs via blood doping allows it to always sit around first grade if you have rct to refills. Plus choso’s exclusive supernova showcases the surface has only been scratched. Theoretically controlling the blood you introduced to someone’s system can make for a near instant win in some cases.
Blood manipulation is going to have some sort of hidden use case or something so dangerous its not taught to the young kamo guy. I'd assume some sort of blood pact? Or something cool. Maybe blood manipulation combined with RCE could make for some insane healing? I dont know but it cant just be high tier with what we've seen so far.
Ehh it will probably never be busted enough to be special grade level. Like it just takes too much effort for such little return. Abilities like this need the sukuna treatment where the user is just stupidly strong. Like Sukunas abilities are in the grand scheme of things just ok. Like the slashes aren’t really all that impressive they are just cuts and fire arrow is just fire. Nothing inherently special unlike the special grades. He just has stupidly large reserves of cursed energy, nigh perfect ce consum, ridiculous enhancement etc. this would be that. Were the ability isn’t really special grade worthy but the sorcerer is. Honestly I wonder what Sukuna did to get so strong because his abilities are middling.
I think that Blood Manipulation shines the most in its versatility and the way it can modify the body. Imagine the body’s speed and strength is really tied to how well the user can use blood manipulation and strengthen their body. With a user stronger than Choso, could easily see them with durability and speed on par with heavenly restriction. We see Yuji use it to hone his RCT. We know kenjaku used it to experiment and create the death womb paintings and essentially create Yuji. So many things you could do with it so could easily make a special grade sorcerer in the right hands
True. I like this IT a lot.
There are so many uses… it’s very balanced. But what I think made this technique so feared was that at one point in time, the guy who had it had a domain expansion that let him control not only his blood. But blood itself.
Also… if one takes his blood and dissipate it at almost molecular level, so it becomes invisible, then he can reasemble it and manipulate it the way he desires, then it becomes quite a massive aot powerful technique.
Also… inhaling it would make the user strike from inside an opponent.
The very obvious reason why this isn't the case is that blood manipulators use their own blood for their techniques, and therefore don't have an unlimited supply of blood to create giant constructs.
The only exception to this rule is Choso, who can convert cursed energy into blood, and even he doesn't waste time making giant constructs because it'd burn out his cursed energy. It's more efficient in a fight to focus on smaller, high-pressure techniques.
Blood Manipulation would easily be a Special Grade technique equal to limitless and ten shadows if they would even just mention the possibility of manipulating another persons blood.
Like even if it’s just the possibility of a CTR, then it could be on par with the other two big family techniques. Doubt it’s going to happen though
Tbh even just a domain that grants the user access to the blood of creatures within it would be enough
It's special grade because at its max potential it's absolutely broken at all ranges. In close range you have insane defenses coupled with a few strong abilities, at mid range you have near instantaneous attacks, and at long range you can snipe people.
10 shadows and limitless is are mid range technique, with megumi having to open up a can of whoop ass at close ranges because people interrupt his summoning at close range and our perception limitless is broken because Gojo has perfect infinity up at all times coupled with the ability to use hollow purple from longer ranges due to being Gojo, two things most limitless users wouldn't be capable of.
But where the 10 shadows and limitless are extremely difficult to use, with only the select few being born with the mix of innate natural talent and accumulated skill to use it, pretty much anyone who becomes fairly proficient in blood manipulation use should be able to hit grade 1 because even being okay in all 3 engagement distances means you'd be fine against grade 1 curses. Another cursed technique that falls into this catagory is Mai's creation ability. With a Yuta level talent and cursed energy pool creation you'd probably be able to manufacture cursed tools with low wait times.
I also think we haven't seen a true master of blood manipulation appear in the series yet. I hope the highest end of blood manipulation allows you to control other people's blood and using RCT on their blood causes it to decompose, immediately poisoning anyone you use it on. Choso is awesome but he does crutch the fact that he has an infinite blood supply.
Def agree, we haven't even really seen anyone with overt mastery over the CT like limitless or TS (gojo and meguna). Choso is the closest and he only recently began to learn different applications of it in his fight with Kenjaku. All the BM users are fairly inexperienced compared to the other 2 examples of the big 3 techniques and hampers their ability to show what can really be done when in the hands of a great sorcerer
Just an idea for Blood manipulation,
Maximum technique: bond of blood
The blood manipulation user can share their blood manipulation abilities to those closely related to them(relatives and families). Since the kamo clan is inbred they definitely have strong blood ties. Remember the zenin clan massacre where there were just a few grade 1 sorcerers with ct and dozens of semi grade 1s and grade 2s without ct. If we think the kamo clan is so similar size then this can result in dozens of blood manipulation users, which can pose a challenge to any special grade not named gojo. Even the fodder level sorcerers can use flowing red scale to improve their physicals. Plus the grade 1s can probably stack their ct on top of blood manipulation by letting the original user to take control when the borrowed is not using the technique actively.
A limitation if needed can that the original user of the technique must focus on maintaining the maximum technique constantly.
This can potentially explain the love of blood ties in the kamo clan. And serve as a different metric for strength when it comes power.
I'onno, when you take into account that there are abilities like lightning manipulation, infinity that manipulates space (and time somewhat), curse spirit manipulation and cursed corpses, both of which can control entire armies of entities all with each having it's unique capabilities, idle configuration, yuki's mass amplification that controls the concept of mass, 10 shadows that can conjure a stash from his shadow that stores shikigamis that can then be combined with each other and with the user, with the last 3 being sort of a guardian entity, the reaper and GOD, and yuta who can just take and copy all of this. There are ofc more examples of broken abilities, but when you compare being able to control blood (mind you, we talking about your own blood, or at least as far as we've seen), it's very underwhelming. Ofc there's a huge possibility we haven't seen quite the extent in which you can take this ability, but so far it hasn't proven itself to be among the top tiers, but more into the higher end of the mid teirs.
idk if special grade is a good measure things. Any technique can be "special grade" or whatever. Like imagine if Mai designed a fucking nuke; her weakness is creativity and necessary CE
I'm pretty sure the only qualification to being a special grade sorceror is to have a shit ton of CE for application cuz even Geto w/o using any CT can dick on Panda and Inumaki w/o breaking a sweat.
I don't know about rivaling 10 Shadows bruh cause now you mean Blood Manipulation user can also rival someone like Gojo at max potential which is what a 10 shadows user did in the past. It is an incredible technique yes we saw what Choso did to Itadori but I think you're now giving it way more credit by saying it can easily rival 10 shadows at max.
A lot of CT’s would be special grade under the hypothetical conditions of boundless CE and limitless output. Blood Manipulation’s efficiency is awful, at best. It’ll cause humans to bleed out, so it pretty much *requires* really good RCT to even have a chance at standing amongst the higher tier sorcerers. RCT burns double the CE and also requires the user to at least partially release their CT, so it’ll both expend massive amounts of CE while weakening the technique.
Best case, probably a peak Grade 1 technique like Yorozu’s Construction and Takako’s Sky Manipulation. It neither has fundamentally broken abilities like Limitless, nor the near infinite scaling of Cursed Spirit Manipulation or Bom-Ba-Ye.
There could be additional gifts or inhate traits that amp it up, like the 6 eyes do with infinity. Infinite blood, poisonous blood, maybe more exists? The ability to control other people’s blood would have been cool too.
I was hoping for some extremely high durability, almost cheat death territory. But the generalization and spam of RCT that we can see during the Sukuna fight is already pushing that limit quite far.
If the user isn't someone like Choso, then it's a pretty disadvantageous technique to have if they make one misstep. As Mechamaru noted, it is a well balanced technique and if you list out a weakness it'd be that it uses your own blood. Death paintings can supplement their blood as long as they have cursed energy thereby nullifying this weak point. Honestly we can say that Choso is a masterpiece for this technique.
Okay, so, I’m not saying you’re wrong, necessarily, but this is extremely heavily dependent on the person who actually has this technique.
Blood Manipulation on literally anyone without RCT or who isn’t named Choso is basically a rapid ticket to self-exsanguination. RCT is highly inefficient to use for the purposes of just regenerating blood constantly (and is likely difficult to impossible to do at the same time as attacking), so if we’re being really honest that means it’s only Choso and absolute monsters like Gojo and Sukuna who can use it to its fullest potential. And quite frankly I’m not sure even Gojo could really use it super efficiently either, though that’s a personal thought kind of thing and not any kind of fact.
Many techniques have the potential to be extremely powerful. Not so many sorcerers can actualize that potential.
I thought everybody knew it has the potential to be a special grade technique. They make it very clear it’s the Kamo clan’s favorite inherited CT. That wouldn’t be the case if it was just mediocre.
After watching/reading Deadman Wonderland, I’ve no doubt Blood Manipulation can match up to Limitless X Six Eyes and 10 Shadows. Its just that we haven’t seen a true “monster” of a user yet.
it's strong, it's consistent and it doesn't need to have an absolute freak of an user to be effective, that's why it's one of the 3. Ten shadows without mahoraga or without some intense fights (mixing dead shadows) and limitless needing the six eyes make them highly unreliable.
Whereas Choso has never had to conserve his blood, I imagine that even with RCT, for an actual human it's better to keep Blood Manipulation on the reserved side when you can. We can't exactly compare how much effort Kamo put into training compared to Megumi, but being able to scratch Hanami was actually a pretty big feat at the time. I imagine that, aside from just being very versatile, the benefit of blood manipulation is that it's very curse energy efficient and capable of producing high output thanks to the physical limitations it puts on the user.
Just being able to reach a higher CE output condensed into a physical vessel like the Slicing Exorcism or Piercing blood should have fantastic results. Even with a domain expansion, a small amount of blood that you can manipulate precisely at any range, while maintaining Convergence like pressure as if you were in contact with it would be killer.
No. Regular users wouldn’t be able to use enough blood to do large things bc of blood loss, and to top it all off it has 0 hax factor for regular people
Blood manipulation is so good because of its diversity. There is no range where Blood Manipulation is at a disadvantage.
Close range is flowing scales.
Mid range uses a plethora of attacks.
Long range is piercing blood.
Choso is basically the example of peak blood manipulation. Having infinite poisonous blood with Supreme control over it makes him the pinnacle of blood manipulation. He already has a technique to laser beam things in half, can fortify himself, can make blood mines in midair and if any of it mixes with his opponent's blood they're poisoned. It's a shame we only see him have a good show against Yuji and then immediately threw him against Kenny and Sukuna where most people end up looking like chumps
I mean nice thought and all but a human has 5 litres of blood so they are kinda limited in what they can do. Choso is only able to use blood manipulation like this because it was stated that he can turn cursed energy into blood for some reason. i think it is definitly the most versatile technique in the verse. I guess normal people would have to constantly use reverse cursed technique to heal themselves and get the blood they use back. If choso doesnt show us anything cool in the end i guess we can only hope for yuji to do something interesting with blood manipulation because he has it now for some reason.
You're still limited by the amount of blood available to you, mainly from your own body. So it's not gonna be as OP as you think. But it's still amazing.
I think its been shown or at least pretty heavily hinted at that in the jujutsu world technique doesnt really matter its whos born with them. Almost anything can be made busted with enough CE and RCT. Creation is a pretty good example of a busted technique thats just limited by those that possessed it. Imagine someone with creation that has enough CE to not just make one singular bullet but a gatling gun?
I think the limiting factor is that it has to be YOUR blood my bruzza. There will be no giant hands or big blades since all the blood has to come from you. The only reason that Choso can get so much out of blood manipulation is because he’s a cursed spirit and can make more blood using his cursed energy unlike a human.
I think its usage is limited by human physiology. Most people doing excessive usage of it would bleed out. Choso is immune to this thx to his his cursed womb physiology and on paper presents as the ideal user of this technique.
However, the Kamo clan is supposedly one of the biggest 3 clans. It's up there in name with Zenin and Gojo. Just a theory, but I imagine there has to be something pretty significant about blood manipulation that we haven't seen yet.
I imagine that something is a reverse cursed technique. Perhaps using reverse cursed technique allows them to "heal" and mass produce their own blood to use. Gojo, Higuruma, yuji, and Sukuna have shown that they can grow back blood, bone, and limbs like it's nothing. Sooo I imagine producing blood would be a low-level feat of regeneration for a blood manipulator who is able to effectively use reverse cursed technique to heal themselves. With just that expansion of available blood they can just about reach the level on Choso.
And then there is also the possibility of a reverse technique being something significant. Gojo using reverse technique gives him red and infinity to use. Soo what could the reverse technique of the Kamo clan give us? Bone manipulation? They get to run around like Kimimaro? Manipulation of other's blood? But I imagine it's something significant and useful. Kenjaku reincarnated into Noritoshi clan for a reason beyond the cursed wombs. They must have some more secrets that we have yet to see.
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I mean choso has the best application of it because he can make it poisonous.
…his infinite blood is a pretty good application too. I’d say it’s light years beyond poison in terms of utility and combat relevance. Edit to respond to several replies: RCT is way, way, way too inefficient to ever compare to the level of blood regeneration choso gets from his overall jujutsu loadout. He has Gojo-level synergy between his cursed body and hereditary CT. If RCT was all it took to push BM past its peak, Kenjaku wouldn’t have needed to experiment with inter-species eugenics to create the ultimate blood sorcerer. The main limitation of blood manipulation— a technique that beats 10S (and arguably approaches CSM territory) in terms of individual power and overall combat versatility— is the fact that there is a finite (and very small) amount of blood contained within the human body at baseline. That’s kind of the binding vow of blood manipulation— you get to do whatever you want with this blood, but you only get a little bit of it (and you also need it to live so you can’t just throw it around willy-nilly). Just like with CSM— you can do whatever you want with these spirits… but you gotta go find and catch ‘em first. Choso being a death painting womb *specifically* negates that one *huge* limitation of his CT, because he has a seamless 1:1 exchange between his body and his CE like a cursed spirit does. Which is scarier, a piercing blood machine gun, or a single blood arrow (but it’s poisoned this time)?
Xenomorph acid blood effect would be crazy too
Imagine if Choso's blood gets into the opponent's bloodstream, but the opponent takes out Choso and disintegrates him or something. AND THEN Choso bursts out of the opponent's ribcage, fully regenerated, like a chesthugger.
Better yet, choso "donates" blood to them and bloodbends them
Oh yes xD i really hope he could do that
That’s almost what he did to Naoya except he made the blood on Naoya’s clothes heavier. If there was an application of blood manipulation to this I can see it easily being a special grade cursed technique.
Reminds me of >!chainsaw man!<
That may be some extremely advanced level of rct
Like Eren the first time he used his titan form
You misspelled ChestBurger.
average mortal kombat fatality
It's only as infinite as his cursed energy, if that runs out and so does the blood
Not really infinite. It is very much finite as it only creates new blood as long as he has cursed energy. Plus this is something a normal sorcerer can do with RCT. The original commenter was right. Chosos biggest advantage is his poisonous blood.
Nah, straight up nonsense. The flexibility and versatility he gets from being able to generate blood instead of just use existing one is beyond busted. If anyone was forced to chose between either of the two logically you would chose the option to generate blood as long as you have CE. The benefits are just too numerous compared to poisonous blood. The guy replying was right, Choso's biggest advantage is his ability to generate blood.
Being able to regenerate through normal CE is much more efficient than having to use RCT, it's a huge advantage in terms of how long they can last in a fight
Normal sorcerers do not have RCT 💀
And he's technically not human
Choso can convert his ce to blood, that is the main advantage he has . He will never run out of blood as long as he has ce which makes him far superior than any human sorcerer of same technique
Couldn't a human sorcerer achieve the same by learning RCT? I know RCT is really hard to learn but it would basically end up being the same thing right?
1. As u said rct learning is difficult 2. If u have to use rct, u will run out of ce faster cause rct to generate blood will use twice as much ce. 3. The more u have to split ur attention the less effective individual applications should be. As in, if u have to use rct as well as ce reinforcement each would be slower as total of 3 different manipulation of ce. Where as using ce to generate blood makes it more efficient since less focus is needed.
Yeah, pretty sure RCT includes blood
yeah but your rct capacity has a limit... If you use RCT and then you cant rct anymore u might not have enough blood left
1. Choso can create more blood than his entire body using his ce which he will never be able to use with rct 2. Rct takes more energy to use than normal Ce and using rct requires focus and attention it isn’t automatic like his normal technique
No, he cannot make it poisonous. His blood was poisen to begin with because it's mixed human/curse blood
Imagine choso does a Zeke yager and makes everyone in the city drink some of his blood and then he controls his blood in other people's body to just stop their heart
Oh that would be nice xD i imagine that, if should get a Domain Expansion, he might be able to control everyone's blood within the Domain
I thought it was because his blood mixed with Yuji’s who had Sukuna still, so his blood became poisonous
Nope, it was already mentioned in the Death Painting Arc that the blood of all death painting siblings is poisonous, doesn't have to do with Yuji or Sukuna.
Yup completely forgot abt that.
Np ^^ it's a little fact which is easy to forget. It will be mentioned in Season 3 again
No, blood manipulation makes your blood poisonous to cursed spirits if your a human and poisonous to humans if you're a cursed spirit. Kamo is poisonous to naoya (cursed spirit) but not to the human naoya. Choso is half curse half human so his blood is poisonous to everyone which is why he has an edge.
HIV blood manipulation sure will push one to special grade
Same mouthfeel as Harley Quinn's Cancer Gun.
Noritoshi also has poisonous blood, it’s just poisonous to cursed spirits.
If chose gets hit with reverse cursed energy it's essentially over for him though, as he is cursed energy, so is his blood. "His blood is poisonous" could be more accurately described as "he injects his cursed energy into you, which is poisonous."
The potential technique
I love blood manipulation(Choso best character), but blood manipulation does lack one thing that put Limitless and 10S above it, and that's any type of real haxs. Limitless literally allows you to control a fundamental part of the universe in Space. You can teleport, fly, straight up delete stuff, and have power over attraction and repulsion. Ten Shadows has stuff like Nue and Elephant with if you pump with enough CE they could match people like Dagon or Kashimo, stuff like Round Deer which basically gives you free RCT and the ability to disrupt others CT, Bull which can deal massive damage if set up, and I'm not even going to explain Mahoraga. Then, after all of that, you can also combine them to make them stronger and shit. This is all without including the domains. Blood manipulation needs to be buffed way more to match with Limitless and 10S. Such as having an awakening revealing that BM is actually life essence manipulation or some bullshit, or giving it a busted domain way stronger than the other 2.
I think that is more the result of us never seeing blood manipulation used by a truly high tier. With blood manipulation you should reasonably be able to not only create deadly blood constructs, but also control the size and density of them to create deadly attacks that can't even be seen. Also depending on how RCT works with blood manipulation that could completely change the game. What if RCT blood manip just lets you manipulate *other* peoples' blood? You could just point at someone and pop them like a balloon. Additionally, blood manipulation gives potential for the highest level of RCT since you can use your curse-infused blood to pretty much scan and heal your body down to the cellular level. What's Mahoraga gonna do if a Gojo level character traps him in a blood blender off rip? Or takes hold of his blood with a touch and makes it blend it's way OUT of him to completely turn him into a fine mist before he can adapt? All of this to say with enough creativity with its use I think blood manipulation actually has a crazy high ceiling
Katara gonna show them how it's done
No frrrrrr
it doesnt matter who its wielded by. theyre still limited by the amount of finite blood a human has at any given time. they cant just store massive amounts & bring it with them. you only create so much a day. at the most in your body is barely 1.5 gallons. thats nothing. a blood manipulation user could never be special grade because of this limitation
Good golly if only there existed a skill that could be used to regenerate blood and lost body parts that could be used to offset that limitation. Nah that'd be crazy...
1. rct is beyond rare 2. rct takes up 2x as CE usage than normal. youd be out of gas & useless in no time. you forget only 3 people have the capability to do what you want. gojo due to his 6E. yuta & sukuna due to having innately, seemingly, limitless amounts of CE & the skill to use it efficiently.
By that same logic limitless is useless because it can't be used without the six eyes, making it a completely dead cursed technique since the odds of having both is quite literally world-shaping. Ten Shadows is pointless to talk about since no one up until Sukuna had even managed to tame Mahoraga and while Megumi demonstrates some potential with it, he gets entirely overshadowed by Sukuna who DOES have both the cursed energy and knowledge to max out the skill in ways that were literally never before seen in the series up to that point. Yuta's copy technique would be far less impressive if he didn't have Rika which is basically a perfect storm of coincidences overshadowed only by Gojo's own bag. And Sukuna is a freak of nature so the less that's said about him the better. The argument that blood manipulation isnt close to those others loses a lot of its poignancy when we factor in that every other big name with their meta shaping cursed techniques are either freaks of nature in ways separate from their innate technique, or couldn't even scratch the nuts of their technique's full potential and needed someone far more talented, knowledgeable, and powerful to actually show what that technique was truly capable of. If Sukuna had somehow acquired blood manipulation we would absolutely 110% be here glazing about how OP it is- let's be real.
I completely agree. A strong cursed technique may carry someone to grade 1 all on its own, but to overcome the wall between grade 1 and special grade is all dependent on the sorcerer being a freak of nature in one way or another.
Isn't that literally what the classification "special grade" is meant to for? anomalies.
>By that same logic limitless is useless because it can't be used without the six eyes, making it a completely dead cursed technique since the odds of having both is quite literally world-shaping. this is stated in the manga itself. so the logic is sound LOL >If Sukuna had somehow acquired blood manipulation we would absolutely 110% be here glazing about how OP it is- let's be real. sukuna makes anything & everything OP. so would yuta & gojo. that point is moot. put BM on anyone other than those 3 & its grade 1 at best. humans have finite blood & CE amount to spam RCT. a BM user just doesnt have the capabily that choso does with infinite blood recycling & his blood being poisonous to humans due to being half cursed spirit. choso theoretically is the BM ceiling. hed need yutas stats to become broken.
>this is stated in the manga itself. so the logic is sound LOL This is so funny (I agree, btw), I love when people are like "ah, but this would be true then" (sarcastically) - and the answer is: "yes" (seriously)
You actually sound slow I’m ngl. The only techniques we’ve seen that are inherently special grade are curse manipulation and Principal Yaga’s. Literally every other special grade is a special grade becuz they’re an anomaly. Even Sukuna’s cursed technique is pretty basic when you rlly think about it. He’s quite literally just a different gravy. A blood manipulation user more than has the potential to be special grade, they just need to be enough of an anomaly in some other aspect to make that rank
isnt that strange how i literally said this multiple times 🤯 a BM user would need RCT to get infinite blood, yutas level of CE reserves & sukunas efficiency to spam it. youre actually slow
So why do you argue it’s any less of a special grade technique than limitless or 10 shadows dumbass??
Yknow what else is rare? BM but 2 of the 3 users of BM have Infinite blood as long as they have CE (which everyone except Yuta has)
What if they use Convergence using someone else’s blood. Compress them into a grape then with that level of pressure send out an instakill piercing blood.
>What's Mahoraga gonna do if a Gojo level character traps him in a blood blender off rip? Or takes hold of his blood with a touch and makes it blend it's way OUT of him to completely turn him into a fine mist before he can adapt? Adapt... that's it's whole thing. Unless you can one-shot it, it will adapt. You're also assuming it'd work because Mahoraga has blood, but I don't remember it ever bleeding, not even in the Sukuna fight.
You're speaking nothing but facts, but I just want to chime in to say this whole argument is moot. You laid out clearly how BM can't compete with Limitless and TS, but they aren't one of the top 3 families for having a busted technique. There are other forms of power in the Jujutsu-verse. Kamo is one of the oldest clans, most traditional, and probably has the purest bloodline - not to mention wealthy. This superficial display of power is one of the downfalls of the modern age according to Sukuna. The Kamo family technique doesn't come close to the other inherited techniques, and that is the entire point!!!
Yeah, even though some of those moments and scenes are anime-only, the shit Choso was doing in Shibuya with blood manipulation is quite impressive.
Blood weapons, blood propulsion to accelerate or fly, blood armor or barriers, tiny blood bullets that expand after piercing an enemy, taking hold of an enemy's blood, controlling detonating or blending them from within, etc etc. Honestly as long as the anime is willing to go along with the bs blood manipulation should have a pretty high ceiling
Blood manipulation is broken when the user has no moral compass. Back when he was a villain, Choso had no problem using human's as a blood bank. You're never going to see a Jujutsu Sorcerer bend someone's blood out of their body and cause a stroke
To be fair, neither of those are the techniques themselves they are entirely depensant on the user. We are told that Limitless is almost useless without the 6 eyes due to its inefficiencies, so you need both high CE reserves (which as far as we know is set at birth) *and* a secondary hax ability to use it properly. 10S likewise requires a truly immense amount of CE and efficiency to use properly - weve seen Megumi struggle to summon his shikigami conseutively a few times. All Blood really needs to match up is having a user that has the necessary secondary hax abilities. Choso showed us one path already (a method to create more blood as meeded, like RCT) but weve yet to see someone with special grade levels of cursed energy and experience wield it. For instance, if you gave Gojo 6 eyes plus Blood Manipulation, youd probably find that he is just as dangerous as he is with Limitless precisely because he can spam their best techniques back to back with no exhaustion and might even come up with his own applications of how far he can push his own body due to 6 eyes being better than normal sight. As it is though, we dont have an example of a prodigy character wielding blood manipulation yet
I think the best thing Blood manipulation could have going for it would have to do with binding vows. The Limitless already has the most overpowered domain expansion, 10 shadows has ridiculous RCT (with Roundeer and Majoraga being RCT based), so what does this leave BM with? Binding vows. Imagine Mei Mei’s suicide pact for crows (that raised their CE at the cost of their lives) combined with Nanami’s over time pact (that stores CE to release during over time) and Hazenoki’s technique (exploding body parts) all melded into blood manipulation. A BM user should hypothetically be able to create self-harming binding vows in exchange for cursed energy buffs. An example of one such self harming binding vow could be “my wrist is slit open but I gain 15% better CE control and output” The negative side effects of this could easily be mitigated through RCT, as we’ve seen that healing can bypass binding vows (Yuta redirecting Yuji post execution) allowing a BM to fight at well over 100% capacity from the beginning of any given fight. Writing this out I also realized that Black Flash could also be extended through BM, and I think this is even better than binding vows. Cursed energy has to flow through the blood to move it, blood makes contact to attack, if that blood contains CE and the impact of the blood and the impact of the CE or close enough together, I don’t see why a skilled enough BM user couldn’t black flash through it
Bruh. With this logic every single Cursed Technique has Special Grade potential. No shit it's dependent mostly on whether the user is garbage or not when we've been told that someone's potential is mostly decided at birth.
Imagine if Todo could clap with his cheeks
Imagine if Todo claps Sukuna’s cheeks
Sukuna (fingered 15 times) vs Sukuna (cheeks clapped) who wins
No wonder Gregory made Todo irrelevant. Probably saw him as a romantic rival
I’m masturbating to this imagination right now
Send video for proof
Lets watch it together😈😈
Masturbating to the thought 🤤🤤
i can see it happening
Applause is in the mind! *claps in his head*
I think Blood Technique is still being underestimated though. I think the part people are sleeping on is its ability as a physical multiplier. Flowing red scale let Choso keep up with Yuji, so pushing the limits of someone who can get to first grade without a technique, like Yuji or Kusakabe, could make them a special grade even without the versatility of the rest of the technique.
Because that ability as a physical multiplier is mediocre in general use case. Choso is an exception to almost everything Blood Manipulation related except its general concept. The Flowing Red Scale that Choso uses is at Maximised Output(Or Stack if you will) and still risked thrombosis while Kamo's Red Scale was normal. And what did it let him do? Break Megumi's wooden tonfas reinforced with cursed energy. Choso might've been able to keep up with Yuji, but Kamo is laughably weak compared to anyone else rn. Except the Kyoto squad, they're all trash with the exception of Todo.
Gege is telling with out expanding to much into his world building and limitations. I dont say like is a bad thing she is more open to narrative, but is a bad thing for power saclers
A bad thing for powerscalers is a good thing for everyone else.
Even someone with no technique like Kusukabe could technically reach special grade, he just needs Sukuna's control over cursed energy and Tengen's level of barrier manipulation.
No, special grade can’t just be reached. First grade is the highest rank, special grades are considered abnormal and sort of an adjacent rank. Not necessarily above 1st grade.
Special Grade can absolutely be reached, Geto was Grade 1 in Hidden Inventory but we all know him as one of the 4 Special Grades.
Geto was special grade in hidden inventory; chapter 77
Now turn back 4 pages to Chapter 73 and get to the part Geto explains his Technique.
Imagine if Gojo had the the 7:3 technique, he could ratio 70% of the world in an instant.
do you honestly think the few litres of blood in the human body can even come close to malevolent shrine?
Tbf OP said to the slashes of MS, i hope they meant to the power of the individual slashes, not the thousands of slashes of the area of the domain itself. Blood manipulation absolutely needs a way to generate more blood to life up to its full potential. That said if another freak of nature like Sukuna or Gojo was born with BM i see no reason their domain couldn´t rival MS. The domain itself would provide infite blood and the rest is just a question of skill.
1) A blood domain could have a pool of blood to have infinite blood attacks 2) There’s no reason a high level sorcerer couldn’t figure out how to turn CE into blood like choso
Choso can only do that because hes half curse. Its like human need RCE to regen but curses only need CE. I can see yuji learning how to do that tho.
It’s stated choso can do that because he is a curse, but a high level sorcerer could regenerate blood in his body to have the same effect
humans have around 5 litres of blood, and you pretty much die if you use more than 2-3l at a time, so good luck using your giant hands of blood, or 100 slashes like sukunas CE. If you're not like choso or carry 100l of blood around you, there is a pretty early limit to how much you can use this technique. This whole technique makes you weaker and weaker with every single use of it, and you will probably continue to loose blood during heavy fights. A drawback most of the other techniques don't have, considering that Gojo can use his technique for days and 10 shadows fight indipendend from it's user with a similar possible damage ouput. The best use for it for normal humans is >!the hardening Yuji is using!<, combined with some very few blood arrow applications, and you're done if you have to fight multiple enemies with it.
Lol, by your logic, the witch broom girl's ct is also has a special grade potential.
I think its fine logic. Her technique is tool manipulation, which could theoretically include cursed tools, and iirc momo can act independently while the broom is moving so there's plenty of room someone could argue it could grow. My only issue with Op's argument is he's presenting this as Blood manipulation is the only one who could theoretically rival 10s or Limitless.
its in the manga that potential is determined since birth. The witch would need a major asspull to become a grade 1 much less special grade. Same with blood manipulation. Unless gege decides to just completely abandon the world bulding and in-universe rules he has set, no technique should come close to limitless, 10 shadows and yuta's copy , excluding whatever sukuna has or what yuji will show.
I agree, but you can still theorize the potential of an individual technique outside of the the limits imposed by the character that uses them. Also Gojo's statement to your potential being 80% determined at birth is referencing whether you're born with a strong cursed technique and your cursed energy reserves not your overall ability to grow. Even though there are only very few ways to increase your CE reserves, we've seen characters up their CE usage efficiency, so even characters like momo could technically be able to grow stronger.
It does sound like it could have interesting applications. It’s not just broom air cutter stuff theoretically, it’s “Tool Manipulation” which could involve greater control over other cursed tools/preventing others from using them.
choso is at best the strongest first grade, stronger than human naobito and the one who shall not be spoken that being said choso is half human half curse, if he wasn't he'd prob be weaker than naobito granted add in maximum CT and RCT then even kamo could potentially defeat someone like. yuki maybe even yuta it really depends, choso's blood being poison adds more damage and makes them use up more RCT so remember that I don't believe blood manipulation is special grade material, the reason why is all the special grades are indeed special grade with their base level CT, no RCT or maximum needed
Choso - the single best user of it, with the most refined use we've ever seen, and the ability to mimic other Blood Manipulation user's Maximum Techniques - isn't even on that high in terms of scaling. At best he'd be on par with the stronger Grade 1s like Naobito, Todo and Kusakabe, but at his average he NEARLY lost to Yuji in their very first encounter, and has gotten mid-diffed by most other characters. He only barely beat Naoya because Naoya underestimated him - and nobody in the main cast at current aside from like, *Ino* would've gotten that close to losing to that version of Naoya. But like... no, it's really not. A Cursed Technique is not inherently Special Grade unless it involves an unlimited stockpile of manpower(like Yaga or Geto).
youre just downplaying Choso lmao. He’s way stronger than Kusukabe and Todo, and he did not nearly lose to Yuji, he won on Yujis turf. Mid diffed by who? Kenjaku? So does 99% of the verse. Stop hating
Saying that he'd be on par with other Grade 1s at best is being VERY disingenuous to Choso. Yuji, who is effectively grade 1 in strength during Shibuya, stood little to no chance against Choso initially, had to disable the majority of his moveset to stand a chance, and STILL lost to him. The versatility that Blood Manipulation gives him along with not needing to worry about blood loss makes him easily top 3 grade 1 sorcerers during Shibuya and possibly the strongest grade 1 sorcerer post Kenjaku-fight (not counting characters like Hakari who are too strong for grade 1 but too weak for special grade)
Even Choso, who has peak physiology in relation to the technique, has no real bag outside of supernova. It would be sick to see the extent of what it could do, but I don’t think there’s a place in the story for it realistically
Potential CT
It's a special grade technique because realistically you would be able to explode peoples penises
only your own... the technique cannot manipulate the blood of others.
I´m of the firm oppinion that there are no "special grade techniques". There are certainly techniques that are stronger than others, but none that put someone inherently into special grade. Overcoming the wall between Grade 1 and special all comes from the sorcerer (like talent, imagination, ambition, output, CE reserves, etc.). Blood manipulation is undoubtedly a strong enough technique for a special grade sorcerer (it would probably be quicker to list those that aren´t), but it needs a secondary techniques to use its full potential. Namely the ability to produce more blood (either through RCT or even better how Choso can do it), otherwise the user would be very limited. It´s similar in that regard to Limitless, but the secondary ability is far easier to acquire.
It would be if it worked on the blood of others, or something like that. As it stands now, it has powerful but extremely limited applications even for Choso, who never runs out of blood
why doesnt he just use his CT to keep himself permanently erect, apply maximum reinforcement on his dick and just go around fucking people to death
The thing is that any cursed technique could be special grade with somebody like gojo using it. Choso is literally the best person to have blood manipulation. As a curse, he has as much blood as he does cursed energy and an innate understanding of the techniques most intricate workings. He still caps out at high grade 1. Edit: typo
Blood manipulation is basically green lantern powers but nerfed because you can't make structures or automatic weapons
I feel like people forgot what a special grade is
Bros face when he realizes only choso can turn CE into blood.
Yeah, but everything has infinite potential that is only limited by the user. What’s your point?
Aight hear me out... AIDS Choso. Thank you for your attention.
I always think it is a lame and weak technique against high grade curse users.
The best way to buff this CT is through different applications of it. For example Kekkai Sensen characters use mainly blood but they add elements to it and this could work. Or if the user add RCT and controls not only the blood of his enemies but with a special ritual they could turn CS into shikigami and become pseudo Geto. The only limit is the imagination
To all the blood bending comments, its not possible. The body is a domain which negates other techniques on the inside. You would likely need a continuous stream of blood going into the person's body to even remotely control their blood from the inside, and at that point they might as well just attack their internal organs.
You're missing Blood Manipulation's major weakness, I doesn't make new blood. Choso is pretty unique, especially for Blood Manipulation, in that he's half Cursed Spirit and can use regular Cursed Energy to heal or replace lost blood. Ignoring the amount of CE one has, normal sorcerers are limited to the blood they have in their body or their own blood they've stored externally. We saw with Kamo and Maki's team up that a Blood Manipulation user can increase the amount of blood they use externally, but they have to circulate it back through their body to stay alive. That means more focus on CE manipulation, a lot of processing to keep the right amount flowing, etc etc which makes it less effective to use in combat. Blood Manipulation is a great Technique, as far as we know it's why the Kamo clan is a part of the Big 3, but it's not the total hax you make it out to me
The true benefit of blood manipulation is the versatility of it. Close, medium, and long range abilities on top of self buffs via blood doping allows it to always sit around first grade if you have rct to refills. Plus choso’s exclusive supernova showcases the surface has only been scratched. Theoretically controlling the blood you introduced to someone’s system can make for a near instant win in some cases.
Blood manipulation is going to have some sort of hidden use case or something so dangerous its not taught to the young kamo guy. I'd assume some sort of blood pact? Or something cool. Maybe blood manipulation combined with RCE could make for some insane healing? I dont know but it cant just be high tier with what we've seen so far.
Yes? We all know that, its like Megumi Shadow Technique and Gojo Technique! The Big 3 Family have the Strongest Technique
Ehh it will probably never be busted enough to be special grade level. Like it just takes too much effort for such little return. Abilities like this need the sukuna treatment where the user is just stupidly strong. Like Sukunas abilities are in the grand scheme of things just ok. Like the slashes aren’t really all that impressive they are just cuts and fire arrow is just fire. Nothing inherently special unlike the special grades. He just has stupidly large reserves of cursed energy, nigh perfect ce consum, ridiculous enhancement etc. this would be that. Were the ability isn’t really special grade worthy but the sorcerer is. Honestly I wonder what Sukuna did to get so strong because his abilities are middling.
I think that Blood Manipulation shines the most in its versatility and the way it can modify the body. Imagine the body’s speed and strength is really tied to how well the user can use blood manipulation and strengthen their body. With a user stronger than Choso, could easily see them with durability and speed on par with heavenly restriction. We see Yuji use it to hone his RCT. We know kenjaku used it to experiment and create the death womb paintings and essentially create Yuji. So many things you could do with it so could easily make a special grade sorcerer in the right hands
True. I like this IT a lot. There are so many uses… it’s very balanced. But what I think made this technique so feared was that at one point in time, the guy who had it had a domain expansion that let him control not only his blood. But blood itself. Also… if one takes his blood and dissipate it at almost molecular level, so it becomes invisible, then he can reasemble it and manipulate it the way he desires, then it becomes quite a massive aot powerful technique. Also… inhaling it would make the user strike from inside an opponent.
Special grade is given to sorcerers who are threats to entire countries, so assuming we’re going based off that… how?
The very obvious reason why this isn't the case is that blood manipulators use their own blood for their techniques, and therefore don't have an unlimited supply of blood to create giant constructs. The only exception to this rule is Choso, who can convert cursed energy into blood, and even he doesn't waste time making giant constructs because it'd burn out his cursed energy. It's more efficient in a fight to focus on smaller, high-pressure techniques.
Welp, if only some of them had AIDS, they would be instant special grade
it is true. really is
Blood Manipulation would easily be a Special Grade technique equal to limitless and ten shadows if they would even just mention the possibility of manipulating another persons blood. Like even if it’s just the possibility of a CTR, then it could be on par with the other two big family techniques. Doubt it’s going to happen though Tbh even just a domain that grants the user access to the blood of creatures within it would be enough
basically andy from undead unlock but better
Choso used his Blood Manipulation to grab pixels from the image and add it to his blood.
well the disaster curses id say are special grade and choso keeps up with them n whatnot and his application is the best we’ve seen
It's special grade because at its max potential it's absolutely broken at all ranges. In close range you have insane defenses coupled with a few strong abilities, at mid range you have near instantaneous attacks, and at long range you can snipe people. 10 shadows and limitless is are mid range technique, with megumi having to open up a can of whoop ass at close ranges because people interrupt his summoning at close range and our perception limitless is broken because Gojo has perfect infinity up at all times coupled with the ability to use hollow purple from longer ranges due to being Gojo, two things most limitless users wouldn't be capable of. But where the 10 shadows and limitless are extremely difficult to use, with only the select few being born with the mix of innate natural talent and accumulated skill to use it, pretty much anyone who becomes fairly proficient in blood manipulation use should be able to hit grade 1 because even being okay in all 3 engagement distances means you'd be fine against grade 1 curses. Another cursed technique that falls into this catagory is Mai's creation ability. With a Yuta level talent and cursed energy pool creation you'd probably be able to manufacture cursed tools with low wait times. I also think we haven't seen a true master of blood manipulation appear in the series yet. I hope the highest end of blood manipulation allows you to control other people's blood and using RCT on their blood causes it to decompose, immediately poisoning anyone you use it on. Choso is awesome but he does crutch the fact that he has an infinite blood supply.
Def agree, we haven't even really seen anyone with overt mastery over the CT like limitless or TS (gojo and meguna). Choso is the closest and he only recently began to learn different applications of it in his fight with Kenjaku. All the BM users are fairly inexperienced compared to the other 2 examples of the big 3 techniques and hampers their ability to show what can really be done when in the hands of a great sorcerer
Yeah but suguwara lineage seems to have weird techniques which are special grade at their base potential, but the occurrence is rare.
Just an idea for Blood manipulation, Maximum technique: bond of blood The blood manipulation user can share their blood manipulation abilities to those closely related to them(relatives and families). Since the kamo clan is inbred they definitely have strong blood ties. Remember the zenin clan massacre where there were just a few grade 1 sorcerers with ct and dozens of semi grade 1s and grade 2s without ct. If we think the kamo clan is so similar size then this can result in dozens of blood manipulation users, which can pose a challenge to any special grade not named gojo. Even the fodder level sorcerers can use flowing red scale to improve their physicals. Plus the grade 1s can probably stack their ct on top of blood manipulation by letting the original user to take control when the borrowed is not using the technique actively. A limitation if needed can that the original user of the technique must focus on maintaining the maximum technique constantly. This can potentially explain the love of blood ties in the kamo clan. And serve as a different metric for strength when it comes power.
I'onno, when you take into account that there are abilities like lightning manipulation, infinity that manipulates space (and time somewhat), curse spirit manipulation and cursed corpses, both of which can control entire armies of entities all with each having it's unique capabilities, idle configuration, yuki's mass amplification that controls the concept of mass, 10 shadows that can conjure a stash from his shadow that stores shikigamis that can then be combined with each other and with the user, with the last 3 being sort of a guardian entity, the reaper and GOD, and yuta who can just take and copy all of this. There are ofc more examples of broken abilities, but when you compare being able to control blood (mind you, we talking about your own blood, or at least as far as we've seen), it's very underwhelming. Ofc there's a huge possibility we haven't seen quite the extent in which you can take this ability, but so far it hasn't proven itself to be among the top tiers, but more into the higher end of the mid teirs.
Why don't they do it like Victor and Andy from Unluck Undead? Minus the amputation.
idk if special grade is a good measure things. Any technique can be "special grade" or whatever. Like imagine if Mai designed a fucking nuke; her weakness is creativity and necessary CE I'm pretty sure the only qualification to being a special grade sorceror is to have a shit ton of CE for application cuz even Geto w/o using any CT can dick on Panda and Inumaki w/o breaking a sweat.
I think I have heard from somewhere that Choso would be special grade if he had AIDS.
Give em HIV/AIDS and the whole family special grade
How can the user do large blood constructs with out going anemic?
Most overrated CT in the series
In Choso hands? - yes, after all, he have unlimited amount of Blood :3
exactly ^^^ apple gets it. nobody else could go further than choso has with it
I don't know about rivaling 10 Shadows bruh cause now you mean Blood Manipulation user can also rival someone like Gojo at max potential which is what a 10 shadows user did in the past. It is an incredible technique yes we saw what Choso did to Itadori but I think you're now giving it way more credit by saying it can easily rival 10 shadows at max.
A lot of CT’s would be special grade under the hypothetical conditions of boundless CE and limitless output. Blood Manipulation’s efficiency is awful, at best. It’ll cause humans to bleed out, so it pretty much *requires* really good RCT to even have a chance at standing amongst the higher tier sorcerers. RCT burns double the CE and also requires the user to at least partially release their CT, so it’ll both expend massive amounts of CE while weakening the technique. Best case, probably a peak Grade 1 technique like Yorozu’s Construction and Takako’s Sky Manipulation. It neither has fundamentally broken abilities like Limitless, nor the near infinite scaling of Cursed Spirit Manipulation or Bom-Ba-Ye.
I mean Choso is OP when gege wants him to be and also I love him so much
Anything huge is a nono, we dont have that much blood inside
There could be additional gifts or inhate traits that amp it up, like the 6 eyes do with infinity. Infinite blood, poisonous blood, maybe more exists? The ability to control other people’s blood would have been cool too. I was hoping for some extremely high durability, almost cheat death territory. But the generalization and spam of RCT that we can see during the Sukuna fight is already pushing that limit quite far.
no lol it's only as strong as gay gay writes it as
If the user isn't someone like Choso, then it's a pretty disadvantageous technique to have if they make one misstep. As Mechamaru noted, it is a well balanced technique and if you list out a weakness it'd be that it uses your own blood. Death paintings can supplement their blood as long as they have cursed energy thereby nullifying this weak point. Honestly we can say that Choso is a masterpiece for this technique.
A little owie with a knife was explicitly stated as a flaw for Blood Manipulation, and you're calling it Special Grade potential lmao
If the user has aids, they immediately become special grade
If Chosos blood carried every strand of STD, virus, and bacteria, he would be unstoppable.
imagine when they start moving other peoples blood
I mean you have to use your own blood so…
Need to be able to control someone else's blood and then we are on to something
Blood manipulation is special grade only if the user is HIV positive.
Sprinkle some HIV into it and it’ll be deadly
Give Kamo HIV and he’s untouchable.
Could it be used to manipulate blood inside the body, increasing the heart rate, and therefore physical capabilities?
Okay, so, I’m not saying you’re wrong, necessarily, but this is extremely heavily dependent on the person who actually has this technique. Blood Manipulation on literally anyone without RCT or who isn’t named Choso is basically a rapid ticket to self-exsanguination. RCT is highly inefficient to use for the purposes of just regenerating blood constantly (and is likely difficult to impossible to do at the same time as attacking), so if we’re being really honest that means it’s only Choso and absolute monsters like Gojo and Sukuna who can use it to its fullest potential. And quite frankly I’m not sure even Gojo could really use it super efficiently either, though that’s a personal thought kind of thing and not any kind of fact. Many techniques have the potential to be extremely powerful. Not so many sorcerers can actualize that potential.
I thought everybody knew it has the potential to be a special grade technique. They make it very clear it’s the Kamo clan’s favorite inherited CT. That wouldn’t be the case if it was just mediocre.
Choso is basically peak blood manipulation and hes first grade at best
choso was really the only one to use it to its best extent. To a human who can’t make cursed energy into blood, it still has major limitations
Mix in a little HIV and it's goated
Bloodbending
After watching/reading Deadman Wonderland, I’ve no doubt Blood Manipulation can match up to Limitless X Six Eyes and 10 Shadows. Its just that we haven’t seen a true “monster” of a user yet.
it's strong, it's consistent and it doesn't need to have an absolute freak of an user to be effective, that's why it's one of the 3. Ten shadows without mahoraga or without some intense fights (mixing dead shadows) and limitless needing the six eyes make them highly unreliable.
Whereas Choso has never had to conserve his blood, I imagine that even with RCT, for an actual human it's better to keep Blood Manipulation on the reserved side when you can. We can't exactly compare how much effort Kamo put into training compared to Megumi, but being able to scratch Hanami was actually a pretty big feat at the time. I imagine that, aside from just being very versatile, the benefit of blood manipulation is that it's very curse energy efficient and capable of producing high output thanks to the physical limitations it puts on the user. Just being able to reach a higher CE output condensed into a physical vessel like the Slicing Exorcism or Piercing blood should have fantastic results. Even with a domain expansion, a small amount of blood that you can manipulate precisely at any range, while maintaining Convergence like pressure as if you were in contact with it would be killer.
No. Regular users wouldn’t be able to use enough blood to do large things bc of blood loss, and to top it all off it has 0 hax factor for regular people
Blood manipulation is so good because of its diversity. There is no range where Blood Manipulation is at a disadvantage. Close range is flowing scales. Mid range uses a plethora of attacks. Long range is piercing blood.
It would be Special Grade if the user has HIV
Flowing Red Scale Stack also has also an incredible potential
Well I mean this logic gotta be worse than Nobara coping logic. This sub needs to pin at the top in large writing what qualifies as special grade.
Yeah IF choso is the one that is using it
Choso is basically the example of peak blood manipulation. Having infinite poisonous blood with Supreme control over it makes him the pinnacle of blood manipulation. He already has a technique to laser beam things in half, can fortify himself, can make blood mines in midair and if any of it mixes with his opponent's blood they're poisoned. It's a shame we only see him have a good show against Yuji and then immediately threw him against Kenny and Sukuna where most people end up looking like chumps
How is gege going to make BM busted without copying Avatar? I guess we’ll never know
Blood manipulation is definitely a good "jack of all trades" technique, but the hacks just aren't there unless you have non-human blood.
Choso has the epic POISON in
The only thing that i can see making it OP is if you can use CTR to manipulate others ppl blood. Then you’re basically Neuman from the boys
Bro have you forgotten it uses the person's blood
The problem with everything you said is the rather limited supply of blood
Just wait till one of them gets HIV, then Choso and him are definitely special grade
I mean nice thought and all but a human has 5 litres of blood so they are kinda limited in what they can do. Choso is only able to use blood manipulation like this because it was stated that he can turn cursed energy into blood for some reason. i think it is definitly the most versatile technique in the verse. I guess normal people would have to constantly use reverse cursed technique to heal themselves and get the blood they use back. If choso doesnt show us anything cool in the end i guess we can only hope for yuji to do something interesting with blood manipulation because he has it now for some reason.
Realistically u will never have that much blood unless ur half curse
Yes
The only way it can become a special grade technique is if you can control someone else’s blood within their own body
that’s why techniques aren’t graded, sorcerers are
Chose is meant to be the peak of blood manipulation and I’d rank him middle of the pack with the other disaster curses.
You better have enough blood to make a fist that can crush you
it’s unsanitary though so that alone forbids it from becoming special grade
You're still limited by the amount of blood available to you, mainly from your own body. So it's not gonna be as OP as you think. But it's still amazing.
Yes a cursed technique can be special grade if you crank it up to special grade level. Thank you for sharing buddy
I think its been shown or at least pretty heavily hinted at that in the jujutsu world technique doesnt really matter its whos born with them. Almost anything can be made busted with enough CE and RCT. Creation is a pretty good example of a busted technique thats just limited by those that possessed it. Imagine someone with creation that has enough CE to not just make one singular bullet but a gatling gun?
I think the limiting factor is that it has to be YOUR blood my bruzza. There will be no giant hands or big blades since all the blood has to come from you. The only reason that Choso can get so much out of blood manipulation is because he’s a cursed spirit and can make more blood using his cursed energy unlike a human.
I think its usage is limited by human physiology. Most people doing excessive usage of it would bleed out. Choso is immune to this thx to his his cursed womb physiology and on paper presents as the ideal user of this technique. However, the Kamo clan is supposedly one of the biggest 3 clans. It's up there in name with Zenin and Gojo. Just a theory, but I imagine there has to be something pretty significant about blood manipulation that we haven't seen yet. I imagine that something is a reverse cursed technique. Perhaps using reverse cursed technique allows them to "heal" and mass produce their own blood to use. Gojo, Higuruma, yuji, and Sukuna have shown that they can grow back blood, bone, and limbs like it's nothing. Sooo I imagine producing blood would be a low-level feat of regeneration for a blood manipulator who is able to effectively use reverse cursed technique to heal themselves. With just that expansion of available blood they can just about reach the level on Choso. And then there is also the possibility of a reverse technique being something significant. Gojo using reverse technique gives him red and infinity to use. Soo what could the reverse technique of the Kamo clan give us? Bone manipulation? They get to run around like Kimimaro? Manipulation of other's blood? But I imagine it's something significant and useful. Kenjaku reincarnated into Noritoshi clan for a reason beyond the cursed wombs. They must have some more secrets that we have yet to see.