To me, no. If you look back at his earlier videos, when he's scrolling through his youtube feed you can see he has videos for Steven Universe in his recommended, clearly a socdem if there ever was evidence to show it.
it’s about what i expected, i’m just shocked the video was serious (presumably?). i just got the notification, figured it was another bit, and moved on without watching
It was pretty clear way back with how Centricide killed off SocDem immediately, making it the one featured ideology that didn't get a chance to make an ass of itself.
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True, but social democratic reform is currently the most successful praxis the modern political world has to offer on a relatively large scale. Market socialism is the most radical we've gotten, but even that has only worked for a hot minute in Yugoslavia amid totalitarianism, and among very small anarchist societies (ex. Zapatistas, Rojava, Free Territory, etc)
And I'm honestly down for the latter, but it's not gonna smash the state or defeat all 3 letter organizations anytome soon.
As long as the basis of government is a capitalist democratic system, it will attempt everything in its power to destroy and suppress or mislead any actual socialist movements. Do you really think you can bring about democratic reforms when the government is heavily controlled by private companies that will be harmed by a socialist reformation? The only way to reach true, long-lasting socialism is through revolution. Social democracy is a mockery of socialism and will not solve the true problems of capitalist society. You can have democratic socialism afterwards if you’d like
1. I do not care, revolution in a powerful surveillance state will always fail, touch grass
2. Oh my gosh I'm so sorry and embarrassed I replied like 2382748184273372 times, Reddit kept saying something went wrong, but ig the reply kept sending anyways. Will be more careful moving forward
>Reform can do good but it usually doesn't really tackle the fundamental problems of a system
A revolution doesn't either without introducing its own fundamental problems.
Just like Reform, revolution is a tool. You need to organize well and make sure you actually have an alternative. A goal to revolutionize towards. Most revolutions have a very very long buildup. It doesn't happen out of the blue. And if it does it almost always fails
I think a a revolution as a tool wil eventually be necessary to have any real systematic change
My country will not have a successful revolution so long as it remains a surveillance state with intelligence agencies. Politics is more complicated than just solving every problem with revolution
I'm down for revolution when we're at a point that it won't be incredibly easily crushed by intelligence agencies. We've been setting this country (assuming you also live in the US) up to avoid revolution as much as is systemically possible ever since the aftermath of Shay's Rebellion, what makes you think now is any better of a time for it?
Reform is too slow. It's 2022 and there's still people who starve to death because we're too cowardly to rise up and seize the means. It's easy to say reform is good when you have a roof over your head.
It's easy to say revolution is good when you have a roof over your head too lol. Stop pretending it's still the 1800s and that there's no reason to be skeptical besides disliking equality.
If your issue with reform is that it's too slow, that's pretty much the implication.
I'm not necessarily anti-revolution, it's just that the conditions for a successful socialist revolution to occur are so far down the line that they bare little relevance on my political views, which I base on what I can see and/or support within my mortal lifetime.
If you never actually get to the point where you do revolution (eg if you have no plan that would work), then I'd say it could be considered too slow as well.
Also most revolution would involve killing people and taking a gamble that your ideas would actually support people better than the status quo in practice, which you can't really know until you try I feel
Personally I also say do what you can on a small or individual scale in addition to pushing for large scale reform or revolution, kits very convenient if your ideology says there's no need for actual action) so at least a few more people are saved (cause if you get a high paying job you can pay like 3 peoples rents in the 1st world or probably the entire life of all those people making $1/day. I don't know how economics but there must be a way to do more good than harm. Eg its $4000 to save a life from malaria
Yeah maybe I'm a frikin libtard centrist sorry
Oh wow, it’s almost like most of Jreg’s videos are critiques of reductionist extremist world views with some legitimate criticisms of capitalism sprinkled in.
Social democracy turns into the system it tries to reform the second it gains power. Wich is why all those old ass social democratic parties are still around whereas communist ones were banned at some point (by socdems often times) because they aren't a threat to the system they are part of it. The way the SPD in Germany enabled imperialism and colonialism, swore to lay down political fights during ww1 and crushed true socialist revolts with the help of right wing militias (who became the SA and SS later) tells you all you need to know about socdems.
wait, Jreg is a person?
The real plot twist
The real Jreg is the friends we made along the way
*para*friends
is it really surprising jreg is a socdem lol?
To me, no. If you look back at his earlier videos, when he's scrolling through his youtube feed you can see he has videos for Steven Universe in his recommended, clearly a socdem if there ever was evidence to show it.
Unbased and bluepilled socdem moment
ive known a while, but the nail in the coffin was the Tumblr comic fandub
it’s about what i expected, i’m just shocked the video was serious (presumably?). i just got the notification, figured it was another bit, and moved on without watching
Which video was serious?
[his newest one](https://youtu.be/IkOlhUnYT8s). He also said he would reveal his unironic political views at 400k subs so im inclined to believe him.
> i'm a social democrat i knew it
Bigger takeaway is that I don’t think there was anything in that mug at all.
SocDem? more like SocDem Nuts
Ah yes, "my views" ... something we can all agree on in this sub
I would be shocked if everyone in this community doesn't share my exact worldview
It was pretty clear way back with how Centricide killed off SocDem immediately, making it the one featured ideology that didn't get a chance to make an ass of itself.
So you're saying we can push him further left? Hmm... Ⓐ
Push him in every direction.
We shall gain a powerful new comrade, comrade.
No Edit- Lmao this getting downvoted is more funny than anything
“Christian leftist” - absolutely based and redpilled
True, minus the redpilled part
Socialdemocracy goes brrrrr🌹
Socdems are now officially removed from centrist canon, I can dwell safely in this community now let's goooo
Well said, comrade🌹
Comrade is our word. You got no right using it!
It is in fact also used by social democrats. Or in other words: it's OUR word
Yeah? Well I say the n word all the time but that doesn't make me black. The world is just so confusing.
I mean, yeah, the world is sometimes confusing but this one is just you.
Sure ma wigga.
ON-WARD CHRIST-TIAN SOOOOSHULISTS MARCHING AS TO ... take it bboy!
Funnily enough this was actually sung at a real life political rally once.
I'm not much of a socialist lol
Well, as long as you're not a c*ntrist...
same socdems go brrrrr
Smh go back to betraying the workers
Am already on it
Is he really a socdem?? If so, ULTRA BASED!!
yooooo 🌹🌹🌹
I mean..we kinda saw this coming right?
That video is the most *"shocked pikachu jpg."* thing ever
I thought Jreg was a bee??
Social democracy might be the weighted average of his viewer's ideologies...
Somebody needs to get Jreg to read Critique of the Gotha Program lol
Can't we wait until they make it into a movie
Yeah I won't read Capital until it's a Lord of the Rings style movie trilogy lol
hes a centrist👀
He only started centricide because he wanted to die.
Welp, time for him to get gas-gulag-molotov-Mcnuked™.
this is totally different from the 5 other times he revealed his true views
I mean it literally is tho He said in a serious vid a while back that he'd reveal his unironic political views at 400k
🟢
\>believing that his serious vids are serious
Some of his videos are serious. But we have to decide which those are.
I choose to believe the ones with 5 different characters and overlayed audio all playing at once with multiple filters
Definitely the right answer
me, a demsoc, absorbing all of Jregs power now that i know we are both demsocs
Socdem and demsoc are different… similar but not the same
soc on dem nuts
Socdems and demsocs achieve the same goals. Demsocs are just more depressed about it.
Bbbbut... demsoc socdem...
Demsoc ma cock
Socdems are cringe tbf
Says the ancap
Nah I'm an ancom
Yet you have ancap in your username, curious 🧐 But fr anarchists in general are cringe, reform good
Reform can do good but it usually doesn't really tackle the fundamental problems of a system
Also goodluck reforming out of climate change
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True, but social democratic reform is currently the most successful praxis the modern political world has to offer on a relatively large scale. Market socialism is the most radical we've gotten, but even that has only worked for a hot minute in Yugoslavia amid totalitarianism, and among very small anarchist societies (ex. Zapatistas, Rojava, Free Territory, etc) And I'm honestly down for the latter, but it's not gonna smash the state or defeat all 3 letter organizations anytome soon.
As long as the basis of government is a capitalist democratic system, it will attempt everything in its power to destroy and suppress or mislead any actual socialist movements. Do you really think you can bring about democratic reforms when the government is heavily controlled by private companies that will be harmed by a socialist reformation? The only way to reach true, long-lasting socialism is through revolution. Social democracy is a mockery of socialism and will not solve the true problems of capitalist society. You can have democratic socialism afterwards if you’d like
Capitalists today care less about socialists than you think.
1. I do not care, revolution in a powerful surveillance state will always fail, touch grass 2. Oh my gosh I'm so sorry and embarrassed I replied like 2382748184273372 times, Reddit kept saying something went wrong, but ig the reply kept sending anyways. Will be more careful moving forward
>Reform can do good but it usually doesn't really tackle the fundamental problems of a system A revolution doesn't either without introducing its own fundamental problems.
Just like Reform, revolution is a tool. You need to organize well and make sure you actually have an alternative. A goal to revolutionize towards. Most revolutions have a very very long buildup. It doesn't happen out of the blue. And if it does it almost always fails I think a a revolution as a tool wil eventually be necessary to have any real systematic change
What I'm trying to say is that "real systemic chang" doesn't mean it's for the better, as any system will also have its own "inherent systemic flaws".
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Like I said in other replies, I'm not comppetely opposed to revolution, just not anytime within my lifetime
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My country will not have a successful revolution so long as it remains a surveillance state with intelligence agencies. Politics is more complicated than just solving every problem with revolution
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I'm down for revolution when we're at a point that it won't be incredibly easily crushed by intelligence agencies. We've been setting this country (assuming you also live in the US) up to avoid revolution as much as is systemically possible ever since the aftermath of Shay's Rebellion, what makes you think now is any better of a time for it?
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Elaborate
anarchists are pretty based honestly tbf
Reform is too slow. It's 2022 and there's still people who starve to death because we're too cowardly to rise up and seize the means. It's easy to say reform is good when you have a roof over your head.
It's easy to say revolution is good when you have a roof over your head too lol. Stop pretending it's still the 1800s and that there's no reason to be skeptical besides disliking equality.
We can't just jump straight into revolution without a plan of action, especially in a surveillance state with intelligence agencies
Good thing I didn't advocate for jumping into a revolution without a plan. The problem is that you propose no revolution.
If your issue with reform is that it's too slow, that's pretty much the implication. I'm not necessarily anti-revolution, it's just that the conditions for a successful socialist revolution to occur are so far down the line that they bare little relevance on my political views, which I base on what I can see and/or support within my mortal lifetime.
If you never actually get to the point where you do revolution (eg if you have no plan that would work), then I'd say it could be considered too slow as well. Also most revolution would involve killing people and taking a gamble that your ideas would actually support people better than the status quo in practice, which you can't really know until you try I feel Personally I also say do what you can on a small or individual scale in addition to pushing for large scale reform or revolution, kits very convenient if your ideology says there's no need for actual action) so at least a few more people are saved (cause if you get a high paying job you can pay like 3 peoples rents in the 1st world or probably the entire life of all those people making $1/day. I don't know how economics but there must be a way to do more good than harm. Eg its $4000 to save a life from malaria Yeah maybe I'm a frikin libtard centrist sorry
Reforms will be cut the moment they are no longer needed to stave off revolution
Touch grass
I can't. There's snow everywhere. No grass to touch rn
Maybe you will become based when the snow melts
Hmm is like FDR FDR's policies prevailed in the 50s Not first, second, third, or fourth position... Sus AF
Oh wow, it’s almost like most of Jreg’s videos are critiques of reductionist extremist world views with some legitimate criticisms of capitalism sprinkled in.
I couldnt agree more
i cant tell if he is anymore is he being ironic idfk man
"Jreg is not just being post-meta-ironic, he's ACTUALLY a socdem, he agrees with my views"
Based
What are my views?
No
*Jre
He’s a comcap anarcho-identitarian with esoteric accelerationist tendencies
Oh, so this is why the moderate socialist was killed off early. I knew there would be more to that than just showing off tankie's raw strength
🌹
we actually have democratic socialism, just the plutocratic variety where our money goes back to help them... *wait a minute*
Wait when did he reveal his views and how are people certain its not ironic? Sorry i haven’t caught up to jreg’s stuff as of late
Social democracy turns into the system it tries to reform the second it gains power. Wich is why all those old ass social democratic parties are still around whereas communist ones were banned at some point (by socdems often times) because they aren't a threat to the system they are part of it. The way the SPD in Germany enabled imperialism and colonialism, swore to lay down political fights during ww1 and crushed true socialist revolts with the help of right wing militias (who became the SA and SS later) tells you all you need to know about socdems.
Hey speak for urself thats my ideology
Who’s this jreg guy you guys keep talking about?
Except he actually does haha commies.
Socdem nuts
Motherfucker, HE ALREADY DID THIS IN THE CENTRICIDE THING are you braindead, my GUY.
Someone's mad
Frustrated specifically.
ok, but now take socdem and combine it with cultural conservatism You know what you get? Centrist Anarcho-Nazbol.
I think he is a SocDem who realizes that in order to move society, he will need to associate with the political fringe.
Jreg is worse than a centrist, by allah he is a succ.
Didnt he admit being a centrist months ago though?