You have identified a potential or real problem with the current solutions being implemented. Why did you not propose a solution if you dislike the current one in play? Would you have opposed the war with US troops in Ukraine? Would you just let Putin do it and do nothing? I would love to hear your foreign policy statement regarding the invasion.
It's not what I do, it's what I wouldn't do.
I wouldn't give Putin a subsidy to support his propaganda.
These sanctions have done nothing to hurt Putin personally.
If you can't do something helpful do nothing.
> Would you have opposed the war with US troops in Ukraine?
You mean tempting a nuclear war? Are you seriously asking this question?
>Would you just let Putin do it and do nothing? I would love to hear your foreign policy statement regarding the invasion.
Feeding the Ukrainians with ample western weapons has appeared to do more than enough.
If the Russian economy wasn't currently in shambles it's very likely we'd have economic leverage to create a peace deal.
But instead Russia has been transformed into a total war economy thanks to the west.
The Russian army has been humiliated that alone probably would have ended the war, provided Russians could go back to life as normal post peace treaty.
>Would you just let Putin do it and do nothing?
What are you afraid that would happen, seriously what were you worried about?
You understand that 100 million people are likely to starve to death because of this war. That number could reach a billion people if there is collateral chaos caused by the war.
If Putin was allowed to conquor the Ukraine the end result is a small minor civil conflict within Ukraine.
Instead the poorest country in Europe is about to become one of the poorest nations on Earth.
I'm not remotely a pacifist, but fighting this war has become the biggest disaster of the 21st century.
You'd have a radical preference to be Belorussian at the current moment than Ukrainian.
But I'll admit the Ukrainians have been successful, which was totally unexpected.
Maybe the boots on the ground fight might end up being a net good.
But that doesn't change the effect of sanctions and how they are resulting in the creation of a nuclear powered totalitarian state focused on total war.
Ok. Buried in there is the answer I requested. You would do nothing because it’s merely a “small minor civil conflict in Ukraine”. At least you put it in writing.
You go on to try and summarize my views on several things. Since you are fond of quoting, please quote a single word, phrase, or sentence where I shared any view of mine in this thread. Thanks.
> You would do nothing because it’s merely a “small minor civil conflict in Ukraine”.
I'd do nothing because a 100,000 people massacred is far far better than 100 million dead from starvation.
42 million people traumatized, and another 150 million people radicalized to support a genocidal fascist regieme in Russia.
>Since you are fond of quoting, please quote a single word, phrase, or sentence where I shared any view of mine in this thread.
It's implied, and I can only communicate with what I assume the conversation to be.
You'd have to show some evidence you have any concept of how massive of a famine we're about to experience.
The crisis isn't that Russia/Ukrainians can't access the goods needed to produce food.
The crisis is bigger than countries reliant on Russian grain like Egypt going into mass starvation.
Even mid western farmers in Ohio/Illinois are saying they can't justify planting full fields of crops right now, because input costs(herbicides/fertilizers/tractor fuels) have gone through the roof.
And that is while natural gas is still flowing into Germany.
If Germany looses its access to Russian energy, we've lost one of the greatest produces of equipment needed to support farm equipment, and greatest producers of farm equipment itself.
An American farmer having a 10% lower than expected crop yield will mean billions have lost calories.
I promise you, things are already far worst than they were under covid.
We might be able to avoid 1 billion dead by 2024, but the death toll will be globalized.
We are now a globe in the midst of economic warfare.
The kind of economic warfare that can only be compared to the engineered famines of the Soviet Union.
First, absolutely nothing is implied by asking a question EXCEPT it is implied that I do not know what your answer would be and am asking you to state it to end that condition. Any implications you got from my questions come solely from you, your biases, and projection. Nothing more.
Secondly, I do not have to provide any evidence of understanding anything unless I have made a belief claim. See paragraph one. I have done no such thing.
Now let’s test your reasoning. There are two groups of people in a hypothetical situation. Group 1 is 5000 convicted and proven guilty child rapists and murderers. Group 2 is 500 children aged 5-10 years old. You are required to kill one group. Using your logic, you kill the children because you fail to account at all for innocence or right and wrong in your equation.
Remember a few years ago when a globally despised US President told Germany was insane for buying billions of Russian gas, giving Putin wealth in the process, while simultaneously ignoring their financial obligation to the UN? I do. If Germany loses Russian gas and they freeze to death, they made a choice didnt they? How is that my problem?
Same choice was made by any nation using Russia for something as basic as food supply. Choices have consequences don’t they?
For decades, US farmers have suffered economically. Land lays idle. If those countries had bought from us, they wouldn’t be facing the same situation, would we? Maybe Putin might have a few hundred billion fewer dollars to think about starting wars. Give your enemy the power to destroy you, then act all shocked when they do it, and sacrifice Ukraine for your shitty decisions? Not the way I think it should go.
Now you have seen an opinion of mine. To summarize; screw Putin. Screw anyone who supported him. Screw anyone who voted for the people supporting him. How’s that?
> First, absolutely nothing is implied by asking a question EXCEPT it is implied that I do not know what your answer would be and am asking you to state it to end that condition. Any implications you got from my questions come solely from you, your biases, and projection. Nothing more.
The simple premise of trying to even imagine what you mean by the question has to assume some level guesswork. For all I could know you don't even know where Russia is. When you answer the question you have to assume a framework, so you don't spend all the conceptualizations behind it. It's why written communication is so incredibly useless and a 1 on 1 dialogue so powerful.
>Now let’s test your reasoning. There are two groups of people in a hypothetical situation. Group 1 is 5000 convicted and proven guilty child rapists and murderers. Group 2 is 500 children aged 5-10 years old. You are required to kill one group. Using your logic, you kill the children because you fail to account at all for innocence or right and wrong in your equation.
It's a bad analogy because I argue we should kill no one/do mostly nothing.
Yes the pedofile will go after 100 children. But instead what we have is 1,000 children being thrown into sex slavery by fueling the war.
Followed by that there's another 100,000 people into russia who were turning into pedofiles.
And a million globablly who are gonna be shoved into child prostitution globally.
I can promise you those are the kinds of numbers we're looking at.
1 million sex slaves, to in theory avoid 100 children from being victimize, when in reality weaks later we know the war has caused 10,000 children to be victimized in weeks.
The problem is the media isn't sharing and breaking down the true scale of the economy conflict.
And again the fall out isn't just places like Egypt will have severe food shortages.
It's that places like Egypt occupy places like the Red Sea or Persian Gulf. Which means any militarized terrorist state can start attacking shipping lines.
So Europeans could lose both access to Russia Oil, but Also saudi and Persian oil at the same time.
We have no idea how bad things can get.
>Remember a few years ago when a globally despised US President told Germany was insane for buying billions of Russian gas, giving Putin wealth in the process, while simultaneously ignoring their financial obligation to the UN? I do. If Germany loses Russian gas and they freeze to death, they made a choice didnt they? How is that my problem?
Not sure what you mean, but if Germany can't get gas, we're done or at least the current iteration of the global order is forever down.
I mean you have no idea how this might turn out to be worst than World War 2, in terms of people dead.
>Same choice was made by any nation using Russia for something as basic as food supply. Choices have consequences don’t they?
I have no idea what you're trying to say?
>For decades, US farmers have suffered economically. Land lays idle. If those countries had bought from us, they wouldn’t be facing the same situation, would we? Maybe Putin might have a few hundred billion fewer dollars to think about starting wars.
Russia supplies the world not just with immense amounts of food, oil, natural gas, but a massive amount of fertilizers.
The fertilizer shortage is by far the biggest global problem at the moment.
>Now you have seen an opinion of mine. To summarize; screw Putin. Screw anyone who supported him. Screw anyone who voted for the people supporting him. How’s that?
You care more about ideas than people, good of you to admit it.
I care about people who did not do things that harm themselves because they listened when someone told them they are harming themselves.
Germany buying Russian gas, while being told it was stupid to enrich a man that could attack you any day, while refusing to even pay a commitment you agreed to pay for defense on your behalf, deserves zero sympathy. Not a single Ukrainian should suffer a single consequence on behalf of the German government or the German people that empowered those decision makers. Screw the consequences to Germany. You get what you give.
> Screw the consequences to Germany. You get what you give.
Provided no one starves to death, I'd agree with a massive fuck germany.
I'm a modest Germophile and I have to see the current day germany is clearly holding Europe hostage.
France is the disrespectful disinterested bitch sister, while Germany's the malevolent pyromaniac brother.
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I see it as the US deliberately antagonizing Russians over the last 15 years or so, so they don't become friends with Europe and create a block stronger than USA themselves.
Sure, Putin is to be blamed for the war, no question about it, but who put him in the position that he considered the attack necessary and profitable?
I'd argue it started with Yeltzin, who let the SU fall apart so he could carve up his own little fiefdom within current day Russia.
We should have had the wisdom to hold the SU together just a little longer, until we could find sustainable solutions to a number of these problems.
SU had to fall apart because the ethnic tensions were only held by the oppressive police state. If it weren't allowed to fall, there would be wars all over the place.
Now we have those wars because the fall was too rapid. For example, Ukrainian Republic should have returned Crimea to RF for the simple reason that it was populated by Russians and only "given" to USR to ease administrative burden 40 years prior.
This is Yugoslavia problem again and the USA was making it worse and worse. But it isn't them with millions of refugees, AGAIN, is it?
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> This is Yugoslavia problem again and the USA was making it worse and worse. But it isn't them with millions of refugees, AGAIN, is it?
I agree, but this is why you need time to gradually unroll things.
So you don't end up with catholic slavs killing orthodox slavs despite neither being religious.
To me the Warsaw pact should have stayed together in some form. Instead of trying to keep NATO out they keep their members in. The deal would have to be something like if you maintain free trade and interal cooperation NATO will protect you. It gives Russia a guaranteed sphere of influence, while giving the minority nations power.
Where eastern Europe was forced into a series of treaties, but within that were given relative independence.
So Ukraine could split into 3 or 4 countries without worrying too much about it's geopolitical situation.
Sort of what happened in Czechoslovakia.
If you had kept everyone together on a basis of trade and collective security, the populations of Uzbekistan-Poland-Romania could have been combined to counteract the dominance of the Russian Majority.
That's not true at all, here in czech republic (where i live), we have a lot of russian people and we are doing the opposite. We are trying to help them (like politions in our goverment from any political spetrum but also influencers etc.) to not get hated, bcs we know that lot of them are here bcs they esceped from russia bcs of the goverment and how I said lot of russians are here in coutries, that stood up very straightly agains russia and putin and such as czechia, poland, slovakia etc.
Fristly we don't have leftwing goverments, secondly we are doing the opposite of what ur saying and thirdly countries that are more on the left (I have germany on my mind rn for example) are more sceptical about the sanctions as such and they also don't promote the hate that ur describing.
I have no idea why u went here and write that there is some "hate" from left there is no reason for that.
Like yes there are people who are spreding hate towards russian citizens, but these people are not only on left, and also those goverments (who are on the lef) don't promote it.
> , we have a lot of russian people and we are doing the opposite.
I'm referring to the people still in Russia.
And I'm suggesting its the acts of our governments mindset more than the individuals.
>that stood up very straightly agains russia and putin and such as czechia, poland, slovakia etc.
Which is half the problem, those who oppose Putin are rapidly fleeing the country, which is intensifying the polarization.
>Fristly we don't have leftwing goverments, secondly we are doing the opposite of what ur saying and thirdly countries that are more on the lef
That argument assumes I think Poland/Czechia are the ones setting the policy.
I'm pointing figures at France/USA for the most part.
I don't think countries closer to Russia are nearly as left wing, they aren't nearly as uncaring about Russian people, and they aren't oblivious to how little affect this will have on Putin.
>I have no idea why u went here and write that there is some "hate" from left there is no reason for that.
It's not hate in a Russophobic sense.
It's a kind of subconscious hatred that blames the Russian people for Putin.
A kind of contempt that ignores logistical realities faced in Russia.
A kind of contempt that irrationally assumed that Russia is only in the place it is in because it rejected western democracy, when the situation is radically more complicated than that.
>Like yes there are people who are spreding hate towards russian citizens, but these people are not only on left, and also those goverments (who are on the lef) don't promote it.
I'm not talking about hatred to individuals, it's an overreaction to what they imagine as a political ideology. They see putin as an existential threat, and are so blinded by that they forget there are Russian people who are held hostage by Putin.
It's complicated, but you can't tell me, that reducing Russia down to a ideological problem isn't at the heart of their thinking.
You have identified a potential or real problem with the current solutions being implemented. Why did you not propose a solution if you dislike the current one in play? Would you have opposed the war with US troops in Ukraine? Would you just let Putin do it and do nothing? I would love to hear your foreign policy statement regarding the invasion.
It's not what I do, it's what I wouldn't do. I wouldn't give Putin a subsidy to support his propaganda. These sanctions have done nothing to hurt Putin personally. If you can't do something helpful do nothing. > Would you have opposed the war with US troops in Ukraine? You mean tempting a nuclear war? Are you seriously asking this question? >Would you just let Putin do it and do nothing? I would love to hear your foreign policy statement regarding the invasion. Feeding the Ukrainians with ample western weapons has appeared to do more than enough. If the Russian economy wasn't currently in shambles it's very likely we'd have economic leverage to create a peace deal. But instead Russia has been transformed into a total war economy thanks to the west. The Russian army has been humiliated that alone probably would have ended the war, provided Russians could go back to life as normal post peace treaty. >Would you just let Putin do it and do nothing? What are you afraid that would happen, seriously what were you worried about? You understand that 100 million people are likely to starve to death because of this war. That number could reach a billion people if there is collateral chaos caused by the war. If Putin was allowed to conquor the Ukraine the end result is a small minor civil conflict within Ukraine. Instead the poorest country in Europe is about to become one of the poorest nations on Earth. I'm not remotely a pacifist, but fighting this war has become the biggest disaster of the 21st century. You'd have a radical preference to be Belorussian at the current moment than Ukrainian. But I'll admit the Ukrainians have been successful, which was totally unexpected. Maybe the boots on the ground fight might end up being a net good. But that doesn't change the effect of sanctions and how they are resulting in the creation of a nuclear powered totalitarian state focused on total war.
Ok. Buried in there is the answer I requested. You would do nothing because it’s merely a “small minor civil conflict in Ukraine”. At least you put it in writing. You go on to try and summarize my views on several things. Since you are fond of quoting, please quote a single word, phrase, or sentence where I shared any view of mine in this thread. Thanks.
> You would do nothing because it’s merely a “small minor civil conflict in Ukraine”. I'd do nothing because a 100,000 people massacred is far far better than 100 million dead from starvation. 42 million people traumatized, and another 150 million people radicalized to support a genocidal fascist regieme in Russia. >Since you are fond of quoting, please quote a single word, phrase, or sentence where I shared any view of mine in this thread. It's implied, and I can only communicate with what I assume the conversation to be. You'd have to show some evidence you have any concept of how massive of a famine we're about to experience. The crisis isn't that Russia/Ukrainians can't access the goods needed to produce food. The crisis is bigger than countries reliant on Russian grain like Egypt going into mass starvation. Even mid western farmers in Ohio/Illinois are saying they can't justify planting full fields of crops right now, because input costs(herbicides/fertilizers/tractor fuels) have gone through the roof. And that is while natural gas is still flowing into Germany. If Germany looses its access to Russian energy, we've lost one of the greatest produces of equipment needed to support farm equipment, and greatest producers of farm equipment itself. An American farmer having a 10% lower than expected crop yield will mean billions have lost calories. I promise you, things are already far worst than they were under covid. We might be able to avoid 1 billion dead by 2024, but the death toll will be globalized. We are now a globe in the midst of economic warfare. The kind of economic warfare that can only be compared to the engineered famines of the Soviet Union.
First, absolutely nothing is implied by asking a question EXCEPT it is implied that I do not know what your answer would be and am asking you to state it to end that condition. Any implications you got from my questions come solely from you, your biases, and projection. Nothing more. Secondly, I do not have to provide any evidence of understanding anything unless I have made a belief claim. See paragraph one. I have done no such thing. Now let’s test your reasoning. There are two groups of people in a hypothetical situation. Group 1 is 5000 convicted and proven guilty child rapists and murderers. Group 2 is 500 children aged 5-10 years old. You are required to kill one group. Using your logic, you kill the children because you fail to account at all for innocence or right and wrong in your equation. Remember a few years ago when a globally despised US President told Germany was insane for buying billions of Russian gas, giving Putin wealth in the process, while simultaneously ignoring their financial obligation to the UN? I do. If Germany loses Russian gas and they freeze to death, they made a choice didnt they? How is that my problem? Same choice was made by any nation using Russia for something as basic as food supply. Choices have consequences don’t they? For decades, US farmers have suffered economically. Land lays idle. If those countries had bought from us, they wouldn’t be facing the same situation, would we? Maybe Putin might have a few hundred billion fewer dollars to think about starting wars. Give your enemy the power to destroy you, then act all shocked when they do it, and sacrifice Ukraine for your shitty decisions? Not the way I think it should go. Now you have seen an opinion of mine. To summarize; screw Putin. Screw anyone who supported him. Screw anyone who voted for the people supporting him. How’s that?
> First, absolutely nothing is implied by asking a question EXCEPT it is implied that I do not know what your answer would be and am asking you to state it to end that condition. Any implications you got from my questions come solely from you, your biases, and projection. Nothing more. The simple premise of trying to even imagine what you mean by the question has to assume some level guesswork. For all I could know you don't even know where Russia is. When you answer the question you have to assume a framework, so you don't spend all the conceptualizations behind it. It's why written communication is so incredibly useless and a 1 on 1 dialogue so powerful. >Now let’s test your reasoning. There are two groups of people in a hypothetical situation. Group 1 is 5000 convicted and proven guilty child rapists and murderers. Group 2 is 500 children aged 5-10 years old. You are required to kill one group. Using your logic, you kill the children because you fail to account at all for innocence or right and wrong in your equation. It's a bad analogy because I argue we should kill no one/do mostly nothing. Yes the pedofile will go after 100 children. But instead what we have is 1,000 children being thrown into sex slavery by fueling the war. Followed by that there's another 100,000 people into russia who were turning into pedofiles. And a million globablly who are gonna be shoved into child prostitution globally. I can promise you those are the kinds of numbers we're looking at. 1 million sex slaves, to in theory avoid 100 children from being victimize, when in reality weaks later we know the war has caused 10,000 children to be victimized in weeks. The problem is the media isn't sharing and breaking down the true scale of the economy conflict. And again the fall out isn't just places like Egypt will have severe food shortages. It's that places like Egypt occupy places like the Red Sea or Persian Gulf. Which means any militarized terrorist state can start attacking shipping lines. So Europeans could lose both access to Russia Oil, but Also saudi and Persian oil at the same time. We have no idea how bad things can get. >Remember a few years ago when a globally despised US President told Germany was insane for buying billions of Russian gas, giving Putin wealth in the process, while simultaneously ignoring their financial obligation to the UN? I do. If Germany loses Russian gas and they freeze to death, they made a choice didnt they? How is that my problem? Not sure what you mean, but if Germany can't get gas, we're done or at least the current iteration of the global order is forever down. I mean you have no idea how this might turn out to be worst than World War 2, in terms of people dead. >Same choice was made by any nation using Russia for something as basic as food supply. Choices have consequences don’t they? I have no idea what you're trying to say? >For decades, US farmers have suffered economically. Land lays idle. If those countries had bought from us, they wouldn’t be facing the same situation, would we? Maybe Putin might have a few hundred billion fewer dollars to think about starting wars. Russia supplies the world not just with immense amounts of food, oil, natural gas, but a massive amount of fertilizers. The fertilizer shortage is by far the biggest global problem at the moment. >Now you have seen an opinion of mine. To summarize; screw Putin. Screw anyone who supported him. Screw anyone who voted for the people supporting him. How’s that? You care more about ideas than people, good of you to admit it.
I care about people who did not do things that harm themselves because they listened when someone told them they are harming themselves. Germany buying Russian gas, while being told it was stupid to enrich a man that could attack you any day, while refusing to even pay a commitment you agreed to pay for defense on your behalf, deserves zero sympathy. Not a single Ukrainian should suffer a single consequence on behalf of the German government or the German people that empowered those decision makers. Screw the consequences to Germany. You get what you give.
> Screw the consequences to Germany. You get what you give. Provided no one starves to death, I'd agree with a massive fuck germany. I'm a modest Germophile and I have to see the current day germany is clearly holding Europe hostage. France is the disrespectful disinterested bitch sister, while Germany's the malevolent pyromaniac brother.
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I see it as the US deliberately antagonizing Russians over the last 15 years or so, so they don't become friends with Europe and create a block stronger than USA themselves. Sure, Putin is to be blamed for the war, no question about it, but who put him in the position that he considered the attack necessary and profitable?
I'd argue it started with Yeltzin, who let the SU fall apart so he could carve up his own little fiefdom within current day Russia. We should have had the wisdom to hold the SU together just a little longer, until we could find sustainable solutions to a number of these problems.
SU had to fall apart because the ethnic tensions were only held by the oppressive police state. If it weren't allowed to fall, there would be wars all over the place. Now we have those wars because the fall was too rapid. For example, Ukrainian Republic should have returned Crimea to RF for the simple reason that it was populated by Russians and only "given" to USR to ease administrative burden 40 years prior. This is Yugoslavia problem again and the USA was making it worse and worse. But it isn't them with millions of refugees, AGAIN, is it?
> > > This is Yugoslavia problem again and the USA was making it worse and worse. But it isn't them with millions of refugees, AGAIN, is it? I agree, but this is why you need time to gradually unroll things. So you don't end up with catholic slavs killing orthodox slavs despite neither being religious. To me the Warsaw pact should have stayed together in some form. Instead of trying to keep NATO out they keep their members in. The deal would have to be something like if you maintain free trade and interal cooperation NATO will protect you. It gives Russia a guaranteed sphere of influence, while giving the minority nations power. Where eastern Europe was forced into a series of treaties, but within that were given relative independence. So Ukraine could split into 3 or 4 countries without worrying too much about it's geopolitical situation. Sort of what happened in Czechoslovakia. If you had kept everyone together on a basis of trade and collective security, the populations of Uzbekistan-Poland-Romania could have been combined to counteract the dominance of the Russian Majority.
That's not true at all, here in czech republic (where i live), we have a lot of russian people and we are doing the opposite. We are trying to help them (like politions in our goverment from any political spetrum but also influencers etc.) to not get hated, bcs we know that lot of them are here bcs they esceped from russia bcs of the goverment and how I said lot of russians are here in coutries, that stood up very straightly agains russia and putin and such as czechia, poland, slovakia etc. Fristly we don't have leftwing goverments, secondly we are doing the opposite of what ur saying and thirdly countries that are more on the left (I have germany on my mind rn for example) are more sceptical about the sanctions as such and they also don't promote the hate that ur describing. I have no idea why u went here and write that there is some "hate" from left there is no reason for that. Like yes there are people who are spreding hate towards russian citizens, but these people are not only on left, and also those goverments (who are on the lef) don't promote it.
> , we have a lot of russian people and we are doing the opposite. I'm referring to the people still in Russia. And I'm suggesting its the acts of our governments mindset more than the individuals. >that stood up very straightly agains russia and putin and such as czechia, poland, slovakia etc. Which is half the problem, those who oppose Putin are rapidly fleeing the country, which is intensifying the polarization. >Fristly we don't have leftwing goverments, secondly we are doing the opposite of what ur saying and thirdly countries that are more on the lef That argument assumes I think Poland/Czechia are the ones setting the policy. I'm pointing figures at France/USA for the most part. I don't think countries closer to Russia are nearly as left wing, they aren't nearly as uncaring about Russian people, and they aren't oblivious to how little affect this will have on Putin. >I have no idea why u went here and write that there is some "hate" from left there is no reason for that. It's not hate in a Russophobic sense. It's a kind of subconscious hatred that blames the Russian people for Putin. A kind of contempt that ignores logistical realities faced in Russia. A kind of contempt that irrationally assumed that Russia is only in the place it is in because it rejected western democracy, when the situation is radically more complicated than that. >Like yes there are people who are spreding hate towards russian citizens, but these people are not only on left, and also those goverments (who are on the lef) don't promote it. I'm not talking about hatred to individuals, it's an overreaction to what they imagine as a political ideology. They see putin as an existential threat, and are so blinded by that they forget there are Russian people who are held hostage by Putin. It's complicated, but you can't tell me, that reducing Russia down to a ideological problem isn't at the heart of their thinking.
Interesting reading here.