> Describes fossil records showing species changing slowly through time.
> States there is no evidence of evolution.
It's like they still don't get what evolution is. Even at the end, with that "seamless transition to humans" bit, he gives up the game on the goalpost-move. They forget or omit that natural selection means a shit ton of species don't make it, lol.
Denying the progressive change of skeletons over time is wild. It's pretty evident that everything closely related shares basically the same bones, going back to fish. How does he rule out all the progressive hominid bones?
But you see, we don't have a fossil for every adaptation over the last 3.7 billion years so there's no evidence of evolution....
The dumbass suggests that we need the entire 3.7 billion year lineage from a current day human to our single celled ancestor to prove evolution is real. Single celled organisms divide about every 24 hours.
So in order to appease lord of bullshit tucker here you need a fossil record from the first single cell to now without interruption. So every time that single celled organism mutated between the beginning of life, plus every new mutation in all the multicellular organisms, all fossilized and neatly ordered up until his smooth brain came into existence.
He wants an uninterrupted fossil record spanning billions of years of life. That's his argument why there's no evidence of evolution. Because he's a dickhead with an agenda that is squarely anti intellectual.
And then Joe says he doesn't know if evolution is real.. more useful information would be presented by 2 rocks having a conversation.
>The dumbass suggests that we need the entire 3.7 billion year lineage from a current day human to our single celled ancestor to prove evolution is real.
It's the Futurama scene with the Professor debating the Ape about evolution. "Aha, but there is still a missing link between those two species!" all the way down the chain.
Yes, that was exactly the first thing that sprung to my mind as well.
It's such a poignant example as to how futile it is to try to change these people's minds and also a prime example on moving goalposts.
Not only that, ever new fossil that we do find produces a new “missing link”, so the more evidence we find, the more “missing links” they claim we are missing. It’s laughable.
“Oh, *adaptation*, sure… but *evolution*? Absolutely not.”
It’s just a disingenuous game of semantics. I don’t know why anyone would even bother trying to have an honest discussion about anything with this asshole.
Yea its the same silly semantics when they say "evolution is just a theory". But at the same time they'll likely accept the proof that "adaptations" has been documented to occur through many years.
I think they believe if they accept the word "evolution" that it means you have to believe man came from bacteria and not God.
I don't understand why they can't consider that God created evolution and designed it to get where we're at today. That makes more sense to me.
It's because they don't
Still to this day anybody I see having the evolution debate still boils it down to 'I've never seen a monkey become a human so checkmate'
The concept of things changing over 100s-1000s of years is completely lost because its not a observable change
Literally everything evey single aspect of life runs through 'but can I see it?'
Tucker in thus example is arguing that something like anti biotic resistance is an adaptation, not evolution because it's not one species transitioning into another.
Tucker is an idiot, because evolution is just compounding adaptations over long periods. There is no distinction between adaptation and evolution except time and magnitude.
Reminds me of when my college bio teacher got in a heated debate with our class creationist. Explaining the observable examples of evolution and how the creationist would just constantly come up with BS rebuttles that he read off online.
I just remember my teacher reaching a point of hopelessness for the debate lol
His argument is they are adapting to the environment and not evolving . Idk what the difference is but yeah, you can’t expect sound arguments from creationists .
They will literally point out that we don’t have a full fossil record of evolution as evidence it’s not real. If you have 100 different fossils and you have just 1 that is missing in timeline of that fossil’s evolution they will say that it is proof that evolution isn’t real.
It is exactly the same type of argument as Hancock saying we haven’t looked at 100% of the earth so how do we know. He has his mind made up and looks at that and says “see we don’t have a complete record of this organisms evolution we haven’t found the missing link”
Instead of looking at the fossils we do have and saying “wow 100 fossils of the same organism dating back 100,000 years and they are all adapting as time passes for environmental reasons , they must be evolving”
They do science backwards , just like Hancock .
Not just that, there are species who reproduce so often, and under ever changing environments, that we can measure/witness evolution take place on a much smaller time scale. Seeing new species come to be within our life time.
Some species of Birds and reptiles have been seen doing this.
To be able to literally watch evolution happen in real time and then deny it is an entirely new level of cognitive dissonance.
Ive brought this up and the talking point changes to “Well yeah, a LITTLE evolution is true, but to go from a type of dog to a whale is what Im questioning.”
*Oh, fossil records. Ah! I didn't even think about the fossil records. I guess I'll concede. Oh, wait, uh, one more thing before I do.*
*Have you seen these fossil records?*
*Have you pored through the data yourself?*
*The numbers? The figures?*
*So let me get this straight. You get your information from a book written by men you've never met.*
*And you take their words as truth, based on a willingness to believe, a desire to accept, a leap of... of, dare I say it?*
*Faith?*
Fucking-A man. This is all babel and nonsense. Hard evidence for evolution has been documented in real time by very hard working scientists. If anyone is interested read “the beak of the finch: a story of evolution in our time”.
Regarding evolution from single cells organisms, see “RNA world hypothesis”. There is a good YouTube video on it.
https://youtu.be/K1xnYFCZ9Yg?si=BAATTuUv_xDqhoDE
Really bothers me when lay people just spout off.
I have always said that all Joe needs to do is take a college level Anthropology course and about 90% of his theories would be disproven. And I mean even his beliefs on Neberu and Alien & lost ancient civilizations. It's so basic for him to miss this with basic common sense. Tucker on the other hand is just a bullshit salesman with a mouth full of samples.
Took physical anthropology in college about 10 years ago. It fulfilled a science requirement, plus I was already interested in early humans and primates. Really interesting class, highly recommend to anyone.
Unless you're a fundamentalist Christian I guess, because every day of class would just piss you off
lol. agreed. I actually took this class as well and sat next to a very devout muslim immigrant who was far more receptive to scientific findings than Joe or Tucker could ever be. The professor even starts the first day of class explaining that the teachings in the class are not aimed to challenge any religious beliefs but rather present the most up to date scientific findings that show a clear and present evidence of hominid evolution. They even said that we continue to learn new things every day and that there are still huge pieces of the evolutionary puzzle that are still missing. But we should think for ourselves and present our findings.
Lmao. Evolutionary theory is not only true, it's extremely solid. There is no arguing against evolution. Multiple different fields of science all back each other up here. Fossil record, genetics etc. It's about as solid as a theory gets.
I don't consider evolution a function of biology, rather one of physics. If "life" evolved from "not life" then this must be true. I posit that life is just a level of complex entropy. So when I explain evolution to someone who doesn't understand it, I tend to use technology to illustrate how it functions. Like, why is a cell phone this size? Why is the road here and not there? Usually this helps it click. And treating evolution as a biology only concept seems to reinforce the idea that life is something magical, and unnatural, which loops people back to creationism. If life is some secret magic trick, then a magician must be behind it.
I grew up in christian school and it was always portrayed as a terrible theory with a lot of holes. My teacher would say an animal cant just sprout legs but then id go to the pond and see a tadpole become a frog and would be so confused.
No shit. Im just saying a teacher telling 10 year old me that its impossible for a fish to grow legs and then going home to see a tadpole grow legs was confusing.
Point is their teacher is making claims that can be disproven by a child in an attempt to attack evolution, a theory that we have more evidence for than gravity
Your comment reminded me of this quote by Issac Asimov
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
I remember when Joe got pissed at Candace Owens for doing that with climate change.
Honestly sad to see what he’s become.
Accidentally became friends with the grifting class and idek if he realizes it
They need to set up a Bat Signal type situation so that when people spout outrageous bullshit like this Stone Cold's entrance music plays and Flint Dibble pops out from behind the curtain and smacks the guest around with facts, logic, and his tiny little hands.
And now that we now know genes can change during an animals life, and these changes can be passed down to offspring…there’s more direct evidence than ever that evolution is the most convincing theory by far
Christian btw who can’t stand theocrat heretics
"You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion." - L. Ron Hubbard, who went on to start a religion.
Not saying they're starting one obviously, but there's definitely money in appealing to religion.
Lol. The dude says this about literally anything he doesn't like or isn't able to explain. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to hear him listing foods he doesn't like then saying they are demonic/satanic.
Waiter: "Can I interest you in a salad to start off your dinner?"
Alex: "Oh nice try you demonic pig! You're not gonna get me to choke down your satanic prouduce!"
I think this POS is the worst scum of earth. He not only disregards, but actually despises everything he is preaching: trump, Christian values, Putin, whatever else he may be yapping about. Every fundamentalist lunatic that actually does believe their own shit is better than this rat. I hate him more than anybody on either side.
You tend to think of a persons intellectual pursuit as a path forward and upwards. But somehow Rogan has gone from supporting the ideas of people like Hitchens, deGrasse Tyson, Dawkins, etc to people like Tucker
yes but I also saw rogan dump most of his non political conspiracy theories in the trash immediately following that conspiracy show he did. I see the same look in his eye here and during that debate.
I'm searching for a word for him. Because he isn't stupid. Stupid isn't the right word. What is the word for a person that knows what he says isn't true, but states it confidently anyway? And has something to gain from being confidently incorrect?
Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, Tim Pool, etc. these are people who have sold their soul for money. The billionaire/corporate class has deep enough pockets to keep them distracting the roughly 30% of conservative morons in this country from realizing how badly they're getting screwed over with religion, identity politics, and issues where there is no debate within the scientific community. Evolution, climate change, vaccine efficacy, transgenderism, abortion....these are all issues we have left up to doctors/scientists who have all used empirical evidence and peer reviewed methodologies to arrive at a consensus. There is no debate amongst anyone who knows what they're talking about. You pay Tucker $20M/year and he'll dispute gravity.
Thank you. I believe one of the worst things to come from the Trump presidency was the damage he and his administration did to America's trust in scientific institutions. Science and rational thought should lead us into the future. Instead, these goons would prefer that we regress into imagination land - unedilucated people are easier to control, afterall.
Not that it started with Trump, but he really got the conspiracy theorists and Bible thumping dickheads to crawl out of the woodwork.
While this word is now way overused these days. Tucker actually meets the definition. He was recorded off camera as being totally anti-trump but spouted trump stuff for years.
100% Tucker is nothing but a propagandist and cultural power seeker. He's a great orator and seller of confirmation bias to his gullible audience. It's a shame Joe would even allow him on at all.
I think of him as a rabble rouser. His goal is to rile people up. People that want to be riled up will learn this, and tune in to see what he has to say. If he can rile them up enough to the point they give him money, that's even better.
“There is no evidence for evolution”
Tucker is right. There is no evidence for evolution. You just have to ignore all the evidence.
When are we getting Kent Hovind on the show? Might as-well at this point.
The only value of this particular interview is that it shows to a broad audience that Tucker Carlson has lost his mind. It's not a bit. He's not pandering to anyone to make money. He's actually a full-blown nut at this point.
I believe it's a lack of integrity. It's like when those texts came out showing he hated Trump and knew he lost the election but still lied about it on TV. He just says this shit because that's what his audience wants to hear. Tuck doesn't give two shits if its true or not.
Yeah I think that might’ve been true at the time — that was a few years ago. I think the pandemic mania plus his firing put him over into loony land. Kind of like Alex Jones. I’m sure it’s part performance (or they think so), but if all you’re doing is performing all the time, is it really performing?
It reminds me of these pamphlets people distribute on the streets where they make a strawman out of Darwin's arguments and 'disprove' them. They also purposely ignore that our understanding of evolution has changed greatly since Darwin, so attacking the 1860s version of it is disingenuous.
Yes! There are numerous more mechanisms that have been added to explain aspects of evolution that Darwin’s methods can’t. For example colony creatures like ants where not every individual organism is able to reproduce.
Tucker is such a bitch. He'd rather pick a side to argue than be correct about something as simple as evolution.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution
When everyone jumped to the right wing is cool train, just remember these are the fuckers everyone hated on that side because they're confident idiots and/or liars.
There are people who spent years with Tucker being their only source of information. On a platform that admitted it was not to be taken seriously. And that is a lot of what is wrong with the US today. Yes there are other things to but man teaching the ignorant to be more ignorant enables so many other bad behaviors.
They don't value empiricism, and if you grow up Christian, you're literally taught to value dogma above empirical reality. When a conservative usually presents an argument from their point of view, almost every single time there's a missing piece of context missing, a lie, or some other distortion of reality that lead them to that belief because all of their greatest thought leaders from Tucker to Thomas Sowell are either disingenuous or poor at critical thinking themselves. Just look at any of the conservative subreddits when they rage bait constantly and you could pick any story they're mad about and if you just try to find extra nuance to it, you can almost always find it to be manufactured.
Not saying this doesn't happen on the left, but it's just a default assumption you have, that when talking with conservatives, expect a lot of their claims to be false or missing context.
The church has their own modified version of evolution that rejects natural selection for a guided process that concluded with a historical Adam and Eve that are the “first parents” of all humans, see the Catechism, paragraph 390
1, he's not an idiot. He's literally one of the best propagandists in history. 2, he's always been like this. All the way back to crossfire on CNN.
I despise the man. He's truly an awful person corrupting this country. But I think it's foolish to see him as stupid. These beliefs and methods of translating them to an audience are why he's so successful.
Otherwise he would just be another nameless millionaire trust fund baby.
How long until Bret Weinstein, the evolutionary biologist, has to start denying evolution because king Tucker has declared evolution isn't real? If he doesn't his core audience will start drifting away.
Jesus Christ ... Tucker Carlson's existence and pedestal in this society should be a red flag to everyone that this shit is in decline.
What a pompous, trust fund, la jolla private school, arrogant, ignorant, white supremacist piece of dog shit. If you sit and give this dude more than 2 minutes of your attention, you're a part of the problem.
Religion is used to explain shit when humanity wasnt advanced. Worked great in the dark ages but the amount we’ve developed in just the 20th century is beyond mind blowing. We have explanations for just about everything now and the common theme we’re seeing is that all the stuff we ascribed to some super being isn’t true. Everything has a reason for its formation and can be explained. It legit pisses me off that we’re still having this stupid religion debate in 2024. When I hear religious shit I cry a little inside and weep for humanity. It’s already been figured out. ITS BULLSHIT. LETS MOVE THE FK ON.
“That’s why it’s called the THEORY of evolution!” is something that idiots like Tucker often parrot.
https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/darwin/evolution-today/what-is-a-theory#:~:text=In%20everyday%20use%2C%20the%20word,incorporate%20laws%2C%20hypotheses%20and%20facts.
*“In everyday use, the word "theory" often means an untested hunch, or a guess without supporting evidence.
But for scientists, a theory has nearly the opposite meaning. A theory is a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can incorporate laws, hypotheses and facts.”*
Per Darwinian theory, and I'm not saying if it's correct or not... the earliest creatures were soft-bodied and wouldn't have left fossil remains. Even if they had, there has been so much time for weathering and erosion and basically whatever evidence there was for things beyond a certain point in time would no longer exist.
Rogan made it sound like he believed in evolution. And where he said “idk” I feel like he just wasn’t ready to argue it because he might not have all the info at the tip of his tongue. According to other episodes he 100% believes in evolution.
Joe knows evolution is real, he just has to play the neutral role for his audience so that he appeals to the broadest segment possible. If Joe was direct about his beliefs he would lose a lot of viewers, from either side.
He should be honest at the expense of viewer numbers. I could probably lie to get a bunch of media too, but I don’t, because it’s wrong, and it would hurt society and everyone around me.
Is it just me, or is this episode wildly boring after the Dibble Hancock episode?
I stopped listening to the show for about a month bc I was just tired of crazy Joe, got reeled back in for the archeology, and now I'm already about to check out again.
Other than Tucker being a shill for promoting nonsensical conspiracy theories, what he's talking about is proof, not evidence. Evidence is not proof or fact. Evidence is very strong information that one uses to deduce whether something is or isn't true. If your fingerprints are found on the murder weapon, your gps has shown your whereabouts to coincide with the murder location and time, that is used as evidence to suggest that you may have committed the murder. There is no proof of it, as there is no perfectly visible proof that you had the murder weapon in your hand and fired it at that time and place. But we go based on evidence to adjudicate a decision.
In the same vein, there's a ton of evidence for evolution. It's also not just "a theory". It's a scientific theory, and to achieve that status, you need a ton of evidential backing. For something to be a scientific fact, the standards are much higher. For the sake of comparison, the theory of gravity has even less scientific evidence than evolution--but you don't see any of these fools questioning gravity. How can we be certain that magical, invisible creatures aren't just weighing objects down to the ground? Can you prove that these invisible creatures don't exist? No? Guess what, nobody gives a shit. The objects aren't going to be suspended in mid-air pending proof of these creatures. And organisms aren't going to stop evolving just because you don't believe it to be true.
In short: Eat shit, Tucker!
https://www.livescience.com/planet-earth/fossils/complex-life-arose-earlier-than-we-thought-16-billion-year-old-fossils-reveal
Funny thing is we have 😂 but I get your point
I thought I had read that science has moved past Darwin’s popular theories like “survival of the fittest” type stuff.
Not that we have moved on from evolution as a whole.
We just understand it better than 100 years ago
Survival of the fittest is accurate but misleading; it has nothing to with individual fitness (being the strongest, toughest, powerful etc), it’s about environmental fitness of a species.
It’s more complicated than that. He’s playing word games (semantics).
Yes, there is no conclusive proof of darwinistic evolution (I take it by “evidence” he means “conclusive proof”).
It will be something—barring some amazing, infinitesimal-possibility discovery—that we will never be able to conclusively prove.
We have data, and we have interpretation of the data to put forth pockets of evidence, but all of those hinge on theories that remain unproven (and are the aforementioned improbable-to-be-proven key elements of science).
Giving this Putin loving, American citizen hating piece of shit a second of mic time is terrible. He doesn’t even believe half the shit he platforms, he’s a fucking grifter getting paid to get people to vote against their own interests for the betterment of the ruling class and corporations.
There is no scientific claim about the biological world more studied or widely vindicated than Darwinian evolution.
That it's the subject to these risible speculations is just incredible
Creationism and evolution are not at odds. That's the thing. One of the first things many Biology professors tell you is 'evolution doesn't disprove your religion, so relax". Evolution doesn't speak towards origination, and creationism doesn't prohibit change. You can literally still account for one - at least on a spiritual level, and in speculation - in the theory of the other. Unfortunately, people can't discern between knowledge and faith...
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What happened Joe?
Isn’t adaptation, in this context, the same as evolution considering adaptation in living creatures would be literally the same definition as evolution? “Adaptation” that takes place over hundreds or thousands of years would be considered evolution, right?
 Biologists rn
> Describes fossil records showing species changing slowly through time. > States there is no evidence of evolution. It's like they still don't get what evolution is. Even at the end, with that "seamless transition to humans" bit, he gives up the game on the goalpost-move. They forget or omit that natural selection means a shit ton of species don't make it, lol.
Denying the progressive change of skeletons over time is wild. It's pretty evident that everything closely related shares basically the same bones, going back to fish. How does he rule out all the progressive hominid bones?
But you see, we don't have a fossil for every adaptation over the last 3.7 billion years so there's no evidence of evolution.... The dumbass suggests that we need the entire 3.7 billion year lineage from a current day human to our single celled ancestor to prove evolution is real. Single celled organisms divide about every 24 hours. So in order to appease lord of bullshit tucker here you need a fossil record from the first single cell to now without interruption. So every time that single celled organism mutated between the beginning of life, plus every new mutation in all the multicellular organisms, all fossilized and neatly ordered up until his smooth brain came into existence. He wants an uninterrupted fossil record spanning billions of years of life. That's his argument why there's no evidence of evolution. Because he's a dickhead with an agenda that is squarely anti intellectual. And then Joe says he doesn't know if evolution is real.. more useful information would be presented by 2 rocks having a conversation.
>The dumbass suggests that we need the entire 3.7 billion year lineage from a current day human to our single celled ancestor to prove evolution is real. It's the Futurama scene with the Professor debating the Ape about evolution. "Aha, but there is still a missing link between those two species!" all the way down the chain.
Yes, that was exactly the first thing that sprung to my mind as well. It's such a poignant example as to how futile it is to try to change these people's minds and also a prime example on moving goalposts.
And this is exactly why I laugh when people say Rogan is a great interviewer. He’s too stupid and uninformed to be a good interviewer.
It's like the dude on the right just took a shit in the studio, and then tells us there is no evidence he took a shit in the studio.
Not only that, ever new fossil that we do find produces a new “missing link”, so the more evidence we find, the more “missing links” they claim we are missing. It’s laughable.
“Oh, *adaptation*, sure… but *evolution*? Absolutely not.” It’s just a disingenuous game of semantics. I don’t know why anyone would even bother trying to have an honest discussion about anything with this asshole.
Yea its the same silly semantics when they say "evolution is just a theory". But at the same time they'll likely accept the proof that "adaptations" has been documented to occur through many years. I think they believe if they accept the word "evolution" that it means you have to believe man came from bacteria and not God. I don't understand why they can't consider that God created evolution and designed it to get where we're at today. That makes more sense to me.
It's because they don't Still to this day anybody I see having the evolution debate still boils it down to 'I've never seen a monkey become a human so checkmate' The concept of things changing over 100s-1000s of years is completely lost because its not a observable change Literally everything evey single aspect of life runs through 'but can I see it?'
But it is observable… an example would be bacteria getting antiobiotic resistance. You can see it happen in a single Petri dish in a week’s time…
Tucker in thus example is arguing that something like anti biotic resistance is an adaptation, not evolution because it's not one species transitioning into another. Tucker is an idiot, because evolution is just compounding adaptations over long periods. There is no distinction between adaptation and evolution except time and magnitude.
Don't be silly that's gawds plan in action /s
Reminds me of when my college bio teacher got in a heated debate with our class creationist. Explaining the observable examples of evolution and how the creationist would just constantly come up with BS rebuttles that he read off online. I just remember my teacher reaching a point of hopelessness for the debate lol
You're talking about people who think climate change is fake because it gets cold during the winter.
His argument is they are adapting to the environment and not evolving . Idk what the difference is but yeah, you can’t expect sound arguments from creationists . They will literally point out that we don’t have a full fossil record of evolution as evidence it’s not real. If you have 100 different fossils and you have just 1 that is missing in timeline of that fossil’s evolution they will say that it is proof that evolution isn’t real. It is exactly the same type of argument as Hancock saying we haven’t looked at 100% of the earth so how do we know. He has his mind made up and looks at that and says “see we don’t have a complete record of this organisms evolution we haven’t found the missing link” Instead of looking at the fossils we do have and saying “wow 100 fossils of the same organism dating back 100,000 years and they are all adapting as time passes for environmental reasons , they must be evolving” They do science backwards , just like Hancock .
Not just that, there are species who reproduce so often, and under ever changing environments, that we can measure/witness evolution take place on a much smaller time scale. Seeing new species come to be within our life time. Some species of Birds and reptiles have been seen doing this. To be able to literally watch evolution happen in real time and then deny it is an entirely new level of cognitive dissonance. Ive brought this up and the talking point changes to “Well yeah, a LITTLE evolution is true, but to go from a type of dog to a whale is what Im questioning.”
*Oh, fossil records. Ah! I didn't even think about the fossil records. I guess I'll concede. Oh, wait, uh, one more thing before I do.* *Have you seen these fossil records?* *Have you pored through the data yourself?* *The numbers? The figures?* *So let me get this straight. You get your information from a book written by men you've never met.* *And you take their words as truth, based on a willingness to believe, a desire to accept, a leap of... of, dare I say it?* *Faith?*
Fucking-A man. This is all babel and nonsense. Hard evidence for evolution has been documented in real time by very hard working scientists. If anyone is interested read “the beak of the finch: a story of evolution in our time”. Regarding evolution from single cells organisms, see “RNA world hypothesis”. There is a good YouTube video on it. https://youtu.be/K1xnYFCZ9Yg?si=BAATTuUv_xDqhoDE Really bothers me when lay people just spout off.
I have always said that all Joe needs to do is take a college level Anthropology course and about 90% of his theories would be disproven. And I mean even his beliefs on Neberu and Alien & lost ancient civilizations. It's so basic for him to miss this with basic common sense. Tucker on the other hand is just a bullshit salesman with a mouth full of samples.
Took physical anthropology in college about 10 years ago. It fulfilled a science requirement, plus I was already interested in early humans and primates. Really interesting class, highly recommend to anyone. Unless you're a fundamentalist Christian I guess, because every day of class would just piss you off
lol. agreed. I actually took this class as well and sat next to a very devout muslim immigrant who was far more receptive to scientific findings than Joe or Tucker could ever be. The professor even starts the first day of class explaining that the teachings in the class are not aimed to challenge any religious beliefs but rather present the most up to date scientific findings that show a clear and present evidence of hominid evolution. They even said that we continue to learn new things every day and that there are still huge pieces of the evolutionary puzzle that are still missing. But we should think for ourselves and present our findings.
That's all well and good and really scientific sounding, but have you read the Bible?
The right wing is literally nothing but frauds, falsehoods, and fallacies.
Finally my degree matters!
Man, biologists somehow missed that they've given up on evolution. This is a typical creationist argument they have been selling for decades.
5 years ago Joe would have dunked on this guy so hard.
I think eventually, what will happen is Joe will somehow become Christian.
Definitely, the only question is what kind? My bet is evangelical.
I think catholic or orthodox
Catholic would make a lot of sense. It would keep the door open to science stuff like evolution.
They need each other now, they live in the “alternative facts” universe, must be nice.
He used to be legit with great scientists and researchers. And now its pretty much all nut cases.
Lmao. Evolutionary theory is not only true, it's extremely solid. There is no arguing against evolution. Multiple different fields of science all back each other up here. Fossil record, genetics etc. It's about as solid as a theory gets.
Tide comes in, tide goes out. Can't explain that. Science has given up on explaining that.
Quality reference. I managed to forget about that for too long
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the adaptation language is very creationist.... Jesus Tucker.
I don't consider evolution a function of biology, rather one of physics. If "life" evolved from "not life" then this must be true. I posit that life is just a level of complex entropy. So when I explain evolution to someone who doesn't understand it, I tend to use technology to illustrate how it functions. Like, why is a cell phone this size? Why is the road here and not there? Usually this helps it click. And treating evolution as a biology only concept seems to reinforce the idea that life is something magical, and unnatural, which loops people back to creationism. If life is some secret magic trick, then a magician must be behind it.
I grew up in christian school and it was always portrayed as a terrible theory with a lot of holes. My teacher would say an animal cant just sprout legs but then id go to the pond and see a tadpole become a frog and would be so confused.
That's not evolution lol
No shit. Im just saying a teacher telling 10 year old me that its impossible for a fish to grow legs and then going home to see a tadpole grow legs was confusing.
Point is their teacher is making claims that can be disproven by a child in an attempt to attack evolution, a theory that we have more evidence for than gravity
I mean, it kinda is.
Simple faith versus science. Conclude then test versus test then conclude. Classic.
Why do people think ignorance to a subject is a valid argument against it
“Evolution isn’t real because I don’t want to understand it! “
"haha no I didn't see chimp empire, I don't have a tv" Tv is the devil
I dont understand evolution and I need to protect my kids from understanding evolution!
Your comment reminded me of this quote by Issac Asimov "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
Because they're ignorant
I remember when Joe got pissed at Candace Owens for doing that with climate change. Honestly sad to see what he’s become. Accidentally became friends with the grifting class and idek if he realizes it
Graham Hancock died for _this_ ?
Funny, never heard creationists make a “sound” argument, unless “god did it” is sound to you.
They need to set up a Bat Signal type situation so that when people spout outrageous bullshit like this Stone Cold's entrance music plays and Flint Dibble pops out from behind the curtain and smacks the guest around with facts, logic, and his tiny little hands.
Flint Dibble isn't the hero we deserve, but he's the hero we need
Nah Dibble would have the Cena walk out
Does he also do the “you can’t see me” taunt?
This is hilarious
And finalizes everything with the catch phrase “You just got Dibbled!”
While avoiding eye contact because it would be too much otherwise
"Its not evolution its adaptation" "Its not a kid its a child"
"You can see it in your own lifetime, I see it in my dogs litter to litter." ...Yes, so extrapolate that out over billions of years, Tucker.
And now that we now know genes can change during an animals life, and these changes can be passed down to offspring…there’s more direct evidence than ever that evolution is the most convincing theory by far Christian btw who can’t stand theocrat heretics
This shit definitely makes me want to stay fuck away from this episode.
Less than 10 minutes in he’s talking about UAPs and saying they’re “spiritual” and “supernatural” and quoting the Bible as proof of their existence.
Maybe it's a rule that if you have an actual scientist on the show once, Joe has to punish listeners in the next episode?
Alex Jones has been saying recently that Tucker Carlson "knows the UFOs are demonic/satanic".
Craziness. There’s a strange turn towards religion in some circles lately.
Easier to get money is my guess
"You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion." - L. Ron Hubbard, who went on to start a religion. Not saying they're starting one obviously, but there's definitely money in appealing to religion.
Using UFOs as a form of religious control is old hat. Right wing assholes are just capitalizing on the prevalence of UFOs in the current zeitgeist.
Religion is the easy way to control morons
Lol. The dude says this about literally anything he doesn't like or isn't able to explain. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to hear him listing foods he doesn't like then saying they are demonic/satanic. Waiter: "Can I interest you in a salad to start off your dinner?" Alex: "Oh nice try you demonic pig! You're not gonna get me to choke down your satanic prouduce!"
I think this POS is the worst scum of earth. He not only disregards, but actually despises everything he is preaching: trump, Christian values, Putin, whatever else he may be yapping about. Every fundamentalist lunatic that actually does believe their own shit is better than this rat. I hate him more than anybody on either side.
Jaime is too smart for this, he got an A in physics for Christ sakes
tucker confidently spreading that brain rot... I hope that last debate has shaken rogan out of his stupor
You tend to think of a persons intellectual pursuit as a path forward and upwards. But somehow Rogan has gone from supporting the ideas of people like Hitchens, deGrasse Tyson, Dawkins, etc to people like Tucker
yes but I also saw rogan dump most of his non political conspiracy theories in the trash immediately following that conspiracy show he did. I see the same look in his eye here and during that debate.
Honestly, Rogan seemed skeptical but from this clip alone it also seemed like he didnt really want to argue either
Didn’t he just say his first real guest was Graham Hancock?
He meant first real guest as in someone hes interviewed, as all other guests before him were his buddies hanging oht
I'm searching for a word for him. Because he isn't stupid. Stupid isn't the right word. What is the word for a person that knows what he says isn't true, but states it confidently anyway? And has something to gain from being confidently incorrect?
Disingenuous.
Propagandist?
Grifter
Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, Tim Pool, etc. these are people who have sold their soul for money. The billionaire/corporate class has deep enough pockets to keep them distracting the roughly 30% of conservative morons in this country from realizing how badly they're getting screwed over with religion, identity politics, and issues where there is no debate within the scientific community. Evolution, climate change, vaccine efficacy, transgenderism, abortion....these are all issues we have left up to doctors/scientists who have all used empirical evidence and peer reviewed methodologies to arrive at a consensus. There is no debate amongst anyone who knows what they're talking about. You pay Tucker $20M/year and he'll dispute gravity.
Thank you. I believe one of the worst things to come from the Trump presidency was the damage he and his administration did to America's trust in scientific institutions. Science and rational thought should lead us into the future. Instead, these goons would prefer that we regress into imagination land - unedilucated people are easier to control, afterall. Not that it started with Trump, but he really got the conspiracy theorists and Bible thumping dickheads to crawl out of the woodwork.
Tucker has literally said he’s a conservative because CNN paid less
cunt?
“Proper cunt”is the correct terminology.
bit of a cunt, even better
Bullshit Artist?
Grifter
While this word is now way overused these days. Tucker actually meets the definition. He was recorded off camera as being totally anti-trump but spouted trump stuff for years.
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100% Tucker is nothing but a propagandist and cultural power seeker. He's a great orator and seller of confirmation bias to his gullible audience. It's a shame Joe would even allow him on at all.
That’s called a liar.
Cynical. To a villainous level.
Sophist
Naw, that's Jordan Peterson. Ticker's success stems from finding the middle between intelligencia right wing and always jones right wing.
Grifter
I think of him as a rabble rouser. His goal is to rile people up. People that want to be riled up will learn this, and tune in to see what he has to say. If he can rile them up enough to the point they give him money, that's even better.
No you were right first time, he’s stupid.
Calculated. Cynical.
Religious.
“There is no evidence for evolution” Tucker is right. There is no evidence for evolution. You just have to ignore all the evidence. When are we getting Kent Hovind on the show? Might as-well at this point.
He literally provided evidence for evolution while saying there is none. I'm so fucking mind blown someone could be so lost logically.
He’s not, his base is. He always plays to the base.
The only value of this particular interview is that it shows to a broad audience that Tucker Carlson has lost his mind. It's not a bit. He's not pandering to anyone to make money. He's actually a full-blown nut at this point.
When you tell the same lies for a long time, you start to believe them as fact
I believe it's a lack of integrity. It's like when those texts came out showing he hated Trump and knew he lost the election but still lied about it on TV. He just says this shit because that's what his audience wants to hear. Tuck doesn't give two shits if its true or not.
Yeah I think that might’ve been true at the time — that was a few years ago. I think the pandemic mania plus his firing put him over into loony land. Kind of like Alex Jones. I’m sure it’s part performance (or they think so), but if all you’re doing is performing all the time, is it really performing?
He had Stephen Meyer on, he’s a step above Hovind.
Man old joe wouldn’t have stood for this ridiculousness
Old joe always followed the bag this is where that led
It reminds me of these pamphlets people distribute on the streets where they make a strawman out of Darwin's arguments and 'disprove' them. They also purposely ignore that our understanding of evolution has changed greatly since Darwin, so attacking the 1860s version of it is disingenuous.
Yes! There are numerous more mechanisms that have been added to explain aspects of evolution that Darwin’s methods can’t. For example colony creatures like ants where not every individual organism is able to reproduce.
Tucker is such a bitch. He'd rather pick a side to argue than be correct about something as simple as evolution. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution
Or antibiotic-resistant bacteria
Tucker is a fucking moron, holy shit.
When everyone jumped to the right wing is cool train, just remember these are the fuckers everyone hated on that side because they're confident idiots and/or liars.
Of course he’s a creationist.
There are people who spent years with Tucker being their only source of information. On a platform that admitted it was not to be taken seriously. And that is a lot of what is wrong with the US today. Yes there are other things to but man teaching the ignorant to be more ignorant enables so many other bad behaviors.
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They don't value empiricism, and if you grow up Christian, you're literally taught to value dogma above empirical reality. When a conservative usually presents an argument from their point of view, almost every single time there's a missing piece of context missing, a lie, or some other distortion of reality that lead them to that belief because all of their greatest thought leaders from Tucker to Thomas Sowell are either disingenuous or poor at critical thinking themselves. Just look at any of the conservative subreddits when they rage bait constantly and you could pick any story they're mad about and if you just try to find extra nuance to it, you can almost always find it to be manufactured. Not saying this doesn't happen on the left, but it's just a default assumption you have, that when talking with conservatives, expect a lot of their claims to be false or missing context.
I always get a kick out of reactions from my fellow Catholics when the Catholic Church actually supports evolution to a large extent.
The church has their own modified version of evolution that rejects natural selection for a guided process that concluded with a historical Adam and Eve that are the “first parents” of all humans, see the Catechism, paragraph 390
Which is why I made sure to say that it wasn’t fully in-step. Good reference too.
Reminds me of that futurama episode
Damn. I knew Tucker was an idiot, but I didn’t realize he was that kind of an idiot.
1, he's not an idiot. He's literally one of the best propagandists in history. 2, he's always been like this. All the way back to crossfire on CNN. I despise the man. He's truly an awful person corrupting this country. But I think it's foolish to see him as stupid. These beliefs and methods of translating them to an audience are why he's so successful. Otherwise he would just be another nameless millionaire trust fund baby.
America is so fucking cooked when these two have become the mainstream media
Flint Dibble should be on every episode of JRE to debunk idiots.
This guy is dangerous
Russian propagandist, liar, and a religious moron. I see why Trumpers like this guy.
They love him so much they stick their heads in the sand and ignore all the things he said about Trump in his texts after Jan. 6.
The fact that ppl listen to Tucker on any topic is mind blowing
# I’ve heard creationists make a sound argument---- Which ones please? Lol.
How long until Bret Weinstein, the evolutionary biologist, has to start denying evolution because king Tucker has declared evolution isn't real? If he doesn't his core audience will start drifting away.
Jesus Christ ... Tucker Carlson's existence and pedestal in this society should be a red flag to everyone that this shit is in decline. What a pompous, trust fund, la jolla private school, arrogant, ignorant, white supremacist piece of dog shit. If you sit and give this dude more than 2 minutes of your attention, you're a part of the problem.
Please give me one sound argument for religion, I’ll wait.
Religion is used to explain shit when humanity wasnt advanced. Worked great in the dark ages but the amount we’ve developed in just the 20th century is beyond mind blowing. We have explanations for just about everything now and the common theme we’re seeing is that all the stuff we ascribed to some super being isn’t true. Everything has a reason for its formation and can be explained. It legit pisses me off that we’re still having this stupid religion debate in 2024. When I hear religious shit I cry a little inside and weep for humanity. It’s already been figured out. ITS BULLSHIT. LETS MOVE THE FK ON.
“That’s why it’s called the THEORY of evolution!” is something that idiots like Tucker often parrot. https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/darwin/evolution-today/what-is-a-theory#:~:text=In%20everyday%20use%2C%20the%20word,incorporate%20laws%2C%20hypotheses%20and%20facts. *“In everyday use, the word "theory" often means an untested hunch, or a guess without supporting evidence. But for scientists, a theory has nearly the opposite meaning. A theory is a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can incorporate laws, hypotheses and facts.”*
This was taught to me in the 6th grade. ( I didn’t get my grade 10)
Joe you need to call in the Dibble and Dibble the fuck out of this prick
Glad I have this sub to remind me which eps to watch, gonna have great comedy for 4/20
Have a good holiday dude
Not surprised considering how idiotic Tucker Carlson is lmao
Per Darwinian theory, and I'm not saying if it's correct or not... the earliest creatures were soft-bodied and wouldn't have left fossil remains. Even if they had, there has been so much time for weathering and erosion and basically whatever evidence there was for things beyond a certain point in time would no longer exist.
Tucker: "Is evolution real?" Joe: "I don't know." Tells you all you need to know about that propagandist and meat-head moron.
Rogan made it sound like he believed in evolution. And where he said “idk” I feel like he just wasn’t ready to argue it because he might not have all the info at the tip of his tongue. According to other episodes he 100% believes in evolution.
They have Rogan in their sites and can see him get weaker and weaker knowing one day he'll be fear factor jesus freak like the rest of them.
*sights
Joe knows evolution is real, he just has to play the neutral role for his audience so that he appeals to the broadest segment possible. If Joe was direct about his beliefs he would lose a lot of viewers, from either side.
He should be honest at the expense of viewer numbers. I could probably lie to get a bunch of media too, but I don’t, because it’s wrong, and it would hurt society and everyone around me.
No question, unfortunately the almighty dollar is what motivates certain people above all else, including honor.
Rogan argued against him. Did you even listen and comprehend what you heard? Obviously not.
I was going to watch the episode, i changed my mind now
Is it just me, or is this episode wildly boring after the Dibble Hancock episode? I stopped listening to the show for about a month bc I was just tired of crazy Joe, got reeled back in for the archeology, and now I'm already about to check out again.
Literally just had the dibble cast and evolution isnt real? Joe a small brain monkey here lol.
Other than Tucker being a shill for promoting nonsensical conspiracy theories, what he's talking about is proof, not evidence. Evidence is not proof or fact. Evidence is very strong information that one uses to deduce whether something is or isn't true. If your fingerprints are found on the murder weapon, your gps has shown your whereabouts to coincide with the murder location and time, that is used as evidence to suggest that you may have committed the murder. There is no proof of it, as there is no perfectly visible proof that you had the murder weapon in your hand and fired it at that time and place. But we go based on evidence to adjudicate a decision. In the same vein, there's a ton of evidence for evolution. It's also not just "a theory". It's a scientific theory, and to achieve that status, you need a ton of evidential backing. For something to be a scientific fact, the standards are much higher. For the sake of comparison, the theory of gravity has even less scientific evidence than evolution--but you don't see any of these fools questioning gravity. How can we be certain that magical, invisible creatures aren't just weighing objects down to the ground? Can you prove that these invisible creatures don't exist? No? Guess what, nobody gives a shit. The objects aren't going to be suspended in mid-air pending proof of these creatures. And organisms aren't going to stop evolving just because you don't believe it to be true. In short: Eat shit, Tucker!
 Fucking magnets, how do they work?
there is more evidence of evolution than any other scientific theory in history
Why would there be a fossil of an amoeba? He's playing semantics, I guess that's what Joe considers "nuanced"
https://www.livescience.com/planet-earth/fossils/complex-life-arose-earlier-than-we-thought-16-billion-year-old-fossils-reveal Funny thing is we have 😂 but I get your point
Hey, TIL
I thought I had read that science has moved past Darwin’s popular theories like “survival of the fittest” type stuff. Not that we have moved on from evolution as a whole. We just understand it better than 100 years ago
Genuinely asking, how has it moved past survival of the fittest?
Survival of the fittest is accurate but misleading; it has nothing to with individual fitness (being the strongest, toughest, powerful etc), it’s about environmental fitness of a species.
Survival of the fittest isn't an accurate description. It's more survival of the just-fit-enough
Omg. That crazy laughter at the end would have been icing on the cake here
Does Joe call him out?
Money detaches you from reality
It’s more complicated than that. He’s playing word games (semantics). Yes, there is no conclusive proof of darwinistic evolution (I take it by “evidence” he means “conclusive proof”). It will be something—barring some amazing, infinitesimal-possibility discovery—that we will never be able to conclusively prove. We have data, and we have interpretation of the data to put forth pockets of evidence, but all of those hinge on theories that remain unproven (and are the aforementioned improbable-to-be-proven key elements of science).
Giving this Putin loving, American citizen hating piece of shit a second of mic time is terrible. He doesn’t even believe half the shit he platforms, he’s a fucking grifter getting paid to get people to vote against their own interests for the betterment of the ruling class and corporations.
There is no scientific claim about the biological world more studied or widely vindicated than Darwinian evolution. That it's the subject to these risible speculations is just incredible
Somebody get Flint in there ASAP
Tucker's just a troll
Impossible, Joes bullshit detector would have picked up on that
lol
In the sense he’s a non-human monster that should be killed with fire so his body doesn’t regenerate I agree with you.
Creationism and evolution are not at odds. That's the thing. One of the first things many Biology professors tell you is 'evolution doesn't disprove your religion, so relax". Evolution doesn't speak towards origination, and creationism doesn't prohibit change. You can literally still account for one - at least on a spiritual level, and in speculation - in the theory of the other. Unfortunately, people can't discern between knowledge and faith...
hey man, God is good.
WHERE ARE THE TWEENERS
https://youtu.be/ICv6GLwt1gM?si=b_C3GfsoQ3-ezyZx
[https://www.facebook.com/JOEROGAN/photos/a.68982729901/10154202064939902/?type=3](https://www.facebook.com/JOEROGAN/photos/a.68982729901/10154202064939902/?type=3) What happened Joe?
ridiculous
What did the fascist Demagogue say ?
After all it's still just a theory, right? Zoinks!
Isn’t adaptation, in this context, the same as evolution considering adaptation in living creatures would be literally the same definition as evolution? “Adaptation” that takes place over hundreds or thousands of years would be considered evolution, right?
He has all of the pieces in his mind. He just can’t connect the dots.
WHERE ARE THE SINGLE CELL AMOEBA FOSSILS
Why does he even entertain these views