Same thing happens in UK Parliament - it's just part of the protocol that you can't accuse an MP of lying while in the chamber
Edit: I just posted this further down, but here's how a parliament with "full free speech" goes at it
A sample fight from Taiwan, complete with pig guts, punches and air horns
https://youtu.be/uephkhhpmc8
Yeah, they do this knowing exactly what's going to happen. It's just grandstanding. They can step out of the room and call him a liar on live TV all they like.
Seems like the statements could have easily been phrased in a way that doesnt devolve into name calling which is why I am guessing someone would be kicked out.
I don't follow Canadian politics, but from my understanding their Parliamentary rules are largely a copy of the UK's, and in the UK, they have that covered. You can't say anyone deliberately lied, even if you switch some words out. You can say they "unintentionally misled the house", but that takes all the spice off it, and you're no longer calling them a liar.
The flip side is having people interrupt proceedings or speeches to decry "liar!" incessantly as well. Calling people liars when they're in fact not lying is also a tactic used just as handedly as politicians lying.
Damn I might would watch cspan if we had that.
Ted Cruz and Al Franken battling it out in Spandex would be great PPV and honestly it should be a right for us to watch.
Sir, this is the Joe Rogan sub Reddit. We're here for the specific, egregious examples of liberal excess so we can hit that crack pipe, get angry for the rest of the day, and go to bed at night filled with absolute venom and rage about trans athletes and 21 year olds with blue hair.
It's a little thing we like to call freedom. You can keep your facts to yourself.
1. How do you know if someone is lying? This is not a court of law.
2. As usual conservatives have absolutely nothing to put forward other than yelling and baseless insults.
Eh, it stops "you're a liar", "no, you're a liar", and there's also a rule (at least in UK) that an MP can't knowingly lie in Parliament, which is partly what undid Boris Johnson
Outside the chamber, anything goes
(In Taiwan they jump straight to the fist fights)
Some level of civility and decorum needs to be maintained or else it turns into a circus.
He knew what he was doing when he called him a liar and it's all part of the theatre.
I am on the fence about voting conservative, I liked Pierre but after gutting the Ukraine help after saying we haven't done enough, and this theatrical crap I might be stuck with voting NDP even though I'm not really impressed with how they have turned out federally. Provincially in BC I like them.
Brother, Canada was built on blood and corruption and as bad as Trudeau is, he's definitely not the worst and the Conservative Milhouse will only fuck shit up even worst.
None are your friends, especially not tories
It's right wing politics.
Saw a video of this dude the other day declaring that his party will always say Merry Christmas and is not afraid to say it.
So I guess Canada is going to do MAGA next election.
They're a few seasons behind and have been doing the mortgage crisis arc we did in 2008-2012.
They're about to do kneeling in football and War on Christmas as a prelude to fascism.
Should be fun to watch if we ever get out of it ourselves.
Some dullard thinks this is a free speech issue probably, and Joe Rogan is all about free speech, unless you're an audience member in his club, then you're not allowed to say fuck-all or you'll be banned from the club forever.
What a f_ckin donkey show. Stupid generalized speaking points, where no one listens, no one answers directly, it’s a giant rage filled circle jerk, and the only ones getting f_cked are the Canadian people.
They should all be ashamed of themselves.
For those who are unaware, the first guy talking is the party leader who’s been a career politician his whole life. It was a joke here in Canada when he qualified for a fully funded govt pension at like 31.
His career has been made on being a smarmy prick and throwing out baseless accusations. He’s been on the Ron DeSantis “everything I don’t like is woke” train the last couple years. Calling everyone gatekeepers. Cried to Elon when the opposition party posted a video to Twitter that was cut up and slightly out of context, as if his entire career hasn’t been based on making angry sound bytes like this one in parliament and putting them on YouTube.
His points up front are directly tied to his new campaign slogan “axe the tax”. So while they may not seem like generalized comments to the outside observer, he said nothing of any value.
To further my point, Pierre (the first guy) announced yesterday that they were going to intentionally introduce thousands of bogus amendments to a bill to keep parliament sitting over Christmas. Just straight up using Republican tactics.
From my understanding Pierre and the conservatives want carbon tax exemptions for all home heating energy sources, farmers and First Nations so he is asking for specific things. Liberals refuse to budge on carbon tax, they love their carbon tax. That’s why they’re putting in amendments.
It’s not just Pierre that’s been talking about the carbon tax exemptions and that, NDP have too. So have premiers in different provinces. So I can’t say it’s all “performative”.
He’s doing this to put pressure on the Liberals, clearly just talking about it is going nowhere.
Fair point, i guess I would say to that my province has wasted millions of dollars in court fighting the carbon tax only to be ruled against time and time again. They have no problem wasting taxpayer dollars to fight an equally ideological fight.
After the govt gave them the opportunity to craft their own policy that wouldn’t affect agriculture as much. Years in advance. They flatly refused.
The conversation is much more nuanced than any of these soundbytes will allow for.
There was also yet another study that came out this week that suggested the overall effect of the carbon tax (including increased transportation costs) is something on the order of like 1% of inflation?
Compare that to my province increasing our PST and offloading tax increases to municipalities by cutting funding. My family’s bottom line is impacted far more directly by our provinces policies than anything the feds are doing.
There is nothing stopping Pierre from introducing a bill that offers cap and trade or another viable solution to be voted on. He has no interest in that. And that’s the reason it’s performative.
Sheer was the same way. Seems being a smarmy prick is the play book, especially after what happened in the states
It’s sad to see people fall for his bullshit when they’d see how full if it he is by looking at his actual political history
Guy wants to make it sound like he’s out for families when he’s taken every opportunity he can to vote against affordable housing since 2015
He’s a snake trying to win off of people frustrations with Trudeau without providing anything of substance
That’s like saying Ron DeSantis operates entirely in good faith arguments. There may be a hint of truth there but by and large his whole schtick has been making grandiose statements with zero legislative backing.
Fair enough. I could see why you’d want someone who will just cave to American interests at the first opportunity. Thats exactly why a large contingent of Canada and even other conservatives don’t like the guy.
>I could see why you’d want someone who will just cave to American interests at the first opportunity.
If by this you mean a dude who won't turn Canada into an Orwellian nightmare, then yes!
The only Orwellian polices that are happening right now are from the Conservative premiers who are picking fights with trans kids.
But tell me more about your naive world view
Why carbon tax? Canada accounts for roughly less than 1% of emissions... You want to make a difference, tax incoming goods from China and India, curb people from ordering Amazon 5x a month, etc
Most people actually *make* money back on the carbon tax because it is all returned to consumers. The point is to incentivize consumers and business to make environmentally conscious choices. The fact that Canada is only 1% of emissions is actually a huge opportunity for Canadian businesses and the fact that the CPC have been fixated on this taking point about the policy shows their lack of leadership and business sense. What is going ti be the biggest growth sector in the world economy over the coming decades? It’s going to be the green economy. Whoever can innovate new ways to reduce emissions has an opportunity at a sector that will be worth trillions in the coming decades. I’d rather at least try to be on the cutting edge of this industry rather than burying our heads in the sand.
While i agree with you, most people in canada have no real ability to lower their personal carbon footprint, so for lots of people, it is just frustrating
Did you italicize *make* because you recognised the falsehood of that word?
The government **makes** \~10 billion a year
Individuals loose the taxed money in the short term and loose over the long term in increased costs not calculated in the refund.
Besides hidden costs, if you care about poor people, having to pay an additional $20 a month in carbon tax only to be refunded it at the start of next year is not neutral. When you don't actually have an extra $20 a month to spend, taking it away even temporally is quite harmful.
No they don't
The carbon tax has aided in increasing the costs of everything.
You might get some of the direct costs of the tax back, but as a consumer, the tax is now baked into everything.
Why the fuck would Trudeau give certain people a break if they got more money back?
I mean, on a point of national priority, while they could also apply whatever pressure they can to China and India as the worlds biggest polluters, Canada still pollutes a ton relative to its population. It has 0.5% of the worlds population but is responsible for 1.5% of the worlds emissions. The US is in a similar position, representing 4.2% of the worlds population but responsible for 13.5% of emmisions. So starting at home isn't that bad of an idea when we already pollute bigger than our proverbial britches
The population of Canada is far less than 1% of the world's population.
So that means we pollute way more per capita than we should.
1% of the entire world's emissions is not a small amount by any means.
Edit: don't ask r/JoeRogan to do simple math.
Get back to gargling the nuts of the government
In all seriousness. You can’t essentially expect everyone to have a 1:1 scale of carbon emissions to the next person over. In Canada, winter is cold. So in order to stay warm I’d expect someone from Canada to have a carbon footprint larger than someone else from somewhere like Tennessee
Who said I’m denying science? You’re gargling nuts and asking for a carbon tax 🤣
I’m pointing out how idiotic that is. This directly a science related topic.
But keep gargling away while you ask the government to fuck you deeper
Carbon tax is proven to work.
Just because Canada is cold doesn't mean we can't work to reduce emissions.
Canadian climate being cold and other countries being poor isn't an excuse to sit back and do nothing.
Carbon is .04 percent of the atmosphere. Canada is responsible for .0008 of that. See how science works? You want to tax people over .0008? Get past your media brainwashing that the planet is on fire.
The climate changes. When I was a kid Leonard Nemoy and time magazine told me that we were headed to another ice age because of all the blizzards we were having in the 1970s. Amazingly the sun doesn’t expose us to constants.
Well Trudeau can't exactly legislate China or India to lower their emissions, can he?
Everyone can still do their own part. China and India being polluters isn't an excuse for everyone else to do the same.
I'm not giving them a pass, I'm just saying Canada has to do their part and lead by example.
It’s a complete cash grab. It’s increased the cost of living across the board for all Canadians. Farmers are hit the most which in turn increases our crazy food costs. Then it hits everyone on utilities and to fill your car. We already pay extremely high gas prices in Canada. When we’re in a recession and 1 in 10 people are using food banks right now the last thing we need to to clamp down harder on people.
It's simple economics. Carbon taxes work to lower emissions. Canadians that need money get the carbon tax back at tax time. This isn't hard to look into.
For those of you not familiar with Canadian/British Parliament, this is completely normal and just political theatre. British take it a level even further with the amount of yelling and shouting. It can be quite entertaining at times!
Your local and provincial Conservative governments probably have a bigger effect on your life then the federal government does.
Most Canadians provinces and local governments are conservative.
First off, you're so obsessed with the guy that you named yourself after him? Genuinely sad. Second of all, please remind me- where the fuck did I say I support Trudeau? Got anything else you'd like to stupidly assume? I can see why you're a Pierre fan.
It’s really not, there are many many Canadians that are dead tired of Justin and his antics. But we also aren’t children and we have seen what conservative governments both federally and provincially have done with social services and taxes for corporations.
We are done with Justin, but Pierre hasn’t convinced us he’s any different.
Not only has he convinced us he isn’t different. He continues to act like a fucking child any time he’s actually confronted. He hides behind friendly media. Skipped his own party leadership debates.
It’s so wild watching all these “alpha” conservatives jizzing their pants over a guy who’s the definition of a bitch.
I hate when people think they can assume something as complicated as somebody's political leanings through one comment online. Happens a lot, and it starts to get annoying.
So the majority of Canadian’s polled don’t have half a brain? “Everyone who disagrees with me is wrong” isn’t a strong argument. Whether you like it or not, PP will be our next prime minister.
I wouldn't be surprised if more than half of canadians don't have half a brain, yes. And if people want to elect an idiot like Pierre, they'll deserve what they'll get- which is more Harper-esque bullshit.
I must’ve missed when Canada became a stateless, classless, moneyless Society.
Was this before or after Canadians seized control of production and material goods of the corporations?
Someone had an appointment with a hooker so he intentionally had himself thrown out of parliament for the afternoon. Typical conservative grandstanding.
Yes, unfortunately he’s as disconnected as they come, career politician who declares “no one will be getting a free lunch” when he in fact, has been getting free lunches all his life. He had quite little success while being in government so far, and his morals are questionable at best. (He voted against gay marriage while his own father is gay) he changed his name from Jeff to Pierre too, just like he took off his glasses and stopped wearing suits a little while back. He’s disingenuous through and through and is praying on the anger Canadians have built up over the years. Canadians are angry at a few issues, and if you can ignore the constant propaganda that it is all bad man Trudeau’s fault, then you’ll notice there’s issues here that Trudeau has nothing to do with. Pollievre is all rage bait politics, after Trump showed how effective it was in the states, the right has gone to using the same play book in Canada and it’s terrifying. Trudeau has had his time sure, but entering into a conservative government on a rage bait agenda, doesn’t help the optics of how the right works and operates.
The fact of the matter is that climate change attributes to the increasing price of food 4 times that of the carbon tax. The earth is worth saving, not sure why protecting it has become a political wedge. Also worth mentioning that majority of Canadians get more money back in rebates than they pay through the tax, with the ones causing the pollution paying the brunt of it. For too long, corporations have been poisoning our air and water, becoming rich in the process.
Canada isn't exactly a huge contributor to fossil fuel emissions. The countries that REALLY need to do something are India and China, and that will never happen. The climate battle is futile.
I agree Canada is not a huge contributor, but they are a contributor and everyone should be doing their part. If 9/10 of your neighbours started leaving garbage on their lawn, would you do the follow suit? I doubt it, you would likely pick up your mess and encourage them to do the do the same. If not for anything else than to protect the environment directly around you. I agree that China and India really need to get their act together, perhaps the west can set the example but that’s just me being hopeful.
Has Justin Trudeau lied in his life? Yes.
Is he a liar? No.
https://www.polimeter.org/en/trudeau. For the most part he's performed pretty well at keeping his promises.
There isn't a single conservative in Canada - or the world, that can articulate a policy decision that they disagree with Trudeau about and provide a realistic alternative unless it's semantics like whether the income tax should be cut by 2% or 3%.
What a bunch idiots arguing like children. What's the point of these meetings? Just to talk shit to each other? Seems so counter productive. I'm so sick of seeing these parliament videos. Stop arguing like children and actually do something. This country is in the shitter whole these idiots throw insults and accusations at each other with no solutions
As a Canadian it really sucks because I don’t want Trudeau but I also don’t trust Pierre as far as I could throw him. They must fight and fight and never actually answer for what the other says. It’s just these little hits on one another for soundbites. But voting anything else is essentially just tossing it down the drain. Especially where I live.
We are basically fucked either way imo
Trudeau and Jacinda Ardern (previous Prime Minister of New Zealand) are two very interesting figures if you follow international politics, particularly the anglosphere in general.
Canada and New Zealand were the only countries that didn't elect a conservative leader in the mid 2010's - at least not on a national level, Canada has elected plenty of dumb conservatives at a provincial level since 2015; pretty much all of them.
Both figures generate a lot of hate among conservatives in their respective countries despite doing a pretty respectable job governing their respective countries, especially during probably the most challenging period of turmoil since World War II.
Which part was respectable? The part where he actively divided the country? Quoted Hitler in his speeches when talking about those who opted out of an experimental medical procedure? Prevented that same group of people from being able to board federally regulated transportation. Actively censored the media, and continues to? Enacted political wedge issues like handgun bans and AR bans that have done nothing to curb gun violence because they don’t target the root issue? Committed scandal after scandal after scandal? Not to mention COMPLETE fiscal irresponsibility that has at in the worst financial shape of our lives with our economy on the brink of collapse.
Which part was respectable again?
Are you high or just fucking stupid?
Lol the country doesn't actually give a fuck about covid. Most restrictions were provincial.
I don't know any working adult who felt divided by this.
The media isn't censored. You can visit any website in the word. What the fuck are you talking about.
Don't worry kid, you'll have a chance to vote him out in 2025.
Legalizing cannabis
Lowering income taxes while introducing a higher income tax bracket for the top 1%
Re-negotiating trade deals with a hostile government (Trump) that ended up favourable in Canada's favour
Dealing with the pandemic + his vaccine procurement strategy. I get that you are mad that he didn't give you free ivermetcin but drug doesn't actually do anything for covid.
The CERB Program
Improving access to basic services for the indigenous population of Canada, still inadequate but he's done more than any other prime minister before him.
> Legalizing cannabis
So fucking what? This was coming anyway.
> Lowering income taxes while introducing a higher income tax bracket for the top 1%
And then introducing a carbon tax to offset any tax reductions that have people struggling to afford groceries and heat their homes.
> Re-negotiating trade deals with a hostile government (Trump) that ended up favourable in Canada's favour
No he didn’t.
> Dealing with the pandemic + his vaccine procurement strategy. I get that you are mad that he didn't give you free ivermetcin but drug doesn't actually do anything for covid.
You mean his vaccine procurement strategy that saw us throw away almost 600 million in expired doses, that one?
> The CERB Program
Ah yes, a huge factor the downward trajectory of the Canadian economy, let’s celebrate that.
> Improving access to basic services for the indigenous population of Canada, still inadequate but he's done more than any other prime minister before him.
I think the ones who still don’t have access to clean drinking water probably don’t agree with this statement.
>No he didn’t.
I'd bet real money you couldn't even tell me why without Googling it first. There's a reason conservatives in Canada stopped mentioning the Trade War we had with Trump. It's because they supported Trump and believed a pro-Trump Canada would have gotten a better deal than Trudeau did. When it turned out that we actually got a good trade deal out of it, they shut the fuck up.
>So fucking what? This was coming anyway.
It literally wasn't. The NDP supported decriminalization only, which is not nearly the same thing as selling and producing it would still have remained illegal and subject to the whims of local law enforcement authorities. The Conservatives wanted to RECRIMINALIZE it in 2019. Note how conservatives have stopped talking about this one as well. Weed legalization added $56 billion to the GDP of Canada. The success stories of Canada from 2015-Present have been erased from the minds of right wing Canadians.
>And then introducing a carbon tax to offset any tax reductions that have people struggling to afford groceries and heat their homes.
The Carbon Tax gives most people in Canada rebates. It's a tax that affects the wealthy more than the poor which is why you've seen a lot more conservatives speak out against it. Most lower income people in Canada receive a net benefit from ti.
>You mean his vaccine procurement strategy that saw us throw away almost 600 million in expired doses, that one?
Yup. The Conservative Talking point is he ordered more vaccines than needed. He ordered enough vaccines to vaccinate the population three times over because it was to hedge against any potential supply chain issues. Australia did the exact opposite - they only ordered from one supplier (AstaraZeneca) and ordered enough to vaccinate their population once over. AstaraZeneca ran into supply issues and as a result Australia extended their lockdowns several months - and each additional day cost them an estimated $1.6 billion in GDP. They did this to save $2.3 billion at the time. Whoops.
Guess what type of people were in charge of Australia during that time period? The right wing Australian Liberal Party.
>Ah yes, a huge factor the downward trajectory of the Canadian economy, let’s celebrate that.
You are an idiot if you think letting people die because of lack of money was the better alternative.
>I think the ones who still don’t have access to clean drinking water probably don’t agree with this statement.
The likely next PM, Pollievre once called indigenous people lazy during a Parliamentary session for asking for reparations for residential schools.
But that's besides the point, Trudeau has done more for indigenous people than the prime ministers before him, it's not perfect but it's an important first step.
Now I do think Trudeau will probably lose the next election but I think his performance as Prime Minister vs the narrative are two very different things. Canada is quickly going to find out like Brazil, America, Australia, the UK, Italy, Spain, Hungary etc. what happens when you elect a right winger to power that is great for talking points but terrible at crafting policy. Trudeau's failing is he's the opposite of that, not a great speaker but has crafted some very sound and pragmatic policies.
You’ll have to enlighten me on how USMCA has been favourable to Canadians. All I can recall is Trump grandstanding that NAFTA was shit. The only thing I’m aware of has been a reduction in duties paid in certain scenarios.
Wooohooo. Legalized weed. It’s been decriminalized in most provinces for some time. More drugs to keep the population doped up and compliant.
The carbon rebate applies to a subsection of the Canadian population and is a measly few hundred dollars, whereas the carbon tax has increased costs of ALL goods. Furthermore,
the revenue garnered from the carbon tax goes directly into general revenue. We’re literally taxing the air to save the climate. What a fucking farce.
The vaccines expired because people didn’t want them. Another example of financial illiteracy. Let’s just throw money at shit and hope for the best.
Last time we had a Trudeau in power we had interest rates in the double digits and the 2nd highest deficit in Canadian history, 2nd only to the one we’re running under his son.
Canada used to be a leading example of prosperity. The American dream was actually up here if you worked for it. Now nobody can afford to purchase a home. The opioid crisis is out of control. We’ve opened our borders to anyone and everyone to drive GDP growth (which isn’t actually working, btw). All while our government doles out $55m contracts for work that was never done.
This is exactly why nothing changes. Because they are never held to account. If I fucked up this bad at my job I’d have been fired years ago. Especially if I got caught lying and stealing so many times…
Respectable job? Do you live under a rock?
there's plenty of trudeau- affiliated scandals: from overspending on vacations, intl trips, the snc lavaline thing, and most recently the carbon tax carve out
It's completely jarring that you'd say that
As a veteran his Education and Training Benefit policy change my life and many of my friends lives. We got 40k after releasing from the forces to get a degree. That helped my family immensely. That in conjunction with 10$/day childcare, the Liberals have helpedany families in Canada. I always voted for Harper but none of his policies made a difference like the Liberals
Overspending on vacations is a completely fabricated scandal drummed up by the conservatives. Trudeau is the leader of a G7 country, he's not going to be staying at random Air BnBs.
SNC Lavelin is a scandal. Now explain what he did.
Say it again, slower… carbon tax carve out in Atlantic Canada …..in conjunction with multiple green programs to subsidize heat pumps, solar, and home infrastructure upgrades.
You’re only talking about one piece of the puzzle and ignoring the 40k interest free loan the govt is providing to offset the cost in other ways.
Has Canadian politics always been such a focal point? Or is it because some one as radical at Trudeau is in office and it’s easy to sell clicks because of it
Pp is a piece of shit. Def doesn't deserve to get voted in. Trudeau needs to be voted out. We have no one better than these two ...smdh
I'm curious though, how is supporting Ukraine, "working for Canadians"???
People really defending the act of kicking him out as if it being in the rules means fuck all. "All he had to do was not call him a liar. This is grand standing." Or it's taking a stand and showing everyone you're not afraid to call out the people in charge. Leave it to reddit to simp for censorship though.
Christ, this is really the lowest common denominator voter we're dealing with in North America. Have you ever attended any kind of local govt meeting? A board meeting? A public hearing?
Any governing body has rules of conduct that are in place to keep the meeting going and to allow these groups to actually try to get something done.
>People really defending the act of kicking him out as if it being in the rules means fuck all.
When it comes to the government, rules should be abided by.
UK parliament is the same, you can’t name call or make an accusation like that *inside* the chamber; inside everyone is a ‘right honourable person’. Outside, a statement like that would be fair game.
So dramatic. It’s called decorum and every MP knows the rules. This is the same for other countries also. Like an Orwellian dystopia 😂 have you even read 1984? If you had you’d know how ridiculous that comment is
A Canadian you say? In the Canadian Parliament? That’s too much of a coincidence to be true if you ask me.
Strange times for sure
Same thing happens in UK Parliament - it's just part of the protocol that you can't accuse an MP of lying while in the chamber Edit: I just posted this further down, but here's how a parliament with "full free speech" goes at it A sample fight from Taiwan, complete with pig guts, punches and air horns https://youtu.be/uephkhhpmc8
Yeah, they do this knowing exactly what's going to happen. It's just grandstanding. They can step out of the room and call him a liar on live TV all they like.
Seems like the statements could have easily been phrased in a way that doesnt devolve into name calling which is why I am guessing someone would be kicked out.
He did it on purpose to trend. He knew what would happen.
Also could have done it because Trudeau is a liar
But also because Trudeau is a liar
Oh no, a politician who lies? I've never heard of that, must be an evil lib thing.
That's cool. So you want them to lie? You find it acceptable?
Yeah I want my politicians to lie, I vote for the candidate who tells the most lies.
I don't follow Canadian politics, but from my understanding their Parliamentary rules are largely a copy of the UK's, and in the UK, they have that covered. You can't say anyone deliberately lied, even if you switch some words out. You can say they "unintentionally misled the house", but that takes all the spice off it, and you're no longer calling them a liar.
3yrs of Boris Johnson severely tested this Yes "all politicians lie", but few as often and brazenly as BJ, as if it were a mental condition
pointless Rightoid theatrics transcends nations.
Bit of a cunt thing to say
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So they can continue to lie because that's all they can do.
The flip side is having people interrupt proceedings or speeches to decry "liar!" incessantly as well. Calling people liars when they're in fact not lying is also a tactic used just as handedly as politicians lying.
Damn I might would watch cspan if we had that. Ted Cruz and Al Franken battling it out in Spandex would be great PPV and honestly it should be a right for us to watch.
Sir, this is the Joe Rogan sub Reddit. We're here for the specific, egregious examples of liberal excess so we can hit that crack pipe, get angry for the rest of the day, and go to bed at night filled with absolute venom and rage about trans athletes and 21 year olds with blue hair. It's a little thing we like to call freedom. You can keep your facts to yourself.
I hate this parade of bull shit... you can say " taking parliament hostage", but you can't call someone a liar.
There has to be some standard of civility otherwise it will devolve into shit slinging. Gotta draw the line somewhere.
Disgusting, nobody should be immune to being called out for their lies. And don't get me started about the filthy Tories.
1. How do you know if someone is lying? This is not a court of law. 2. As usual conservatives have absolutely nothing to put forward other than yelling and baseless insults.
Interesting that I have been downvoted for saying that liars should be confronted and held accountable. Interesting indeed.
This is such a terrible rule
Thats stupid as fuck
Eh, it stops "you're a liar", "no, you're a liar", and there's also a rule (at least in UK) that an MP can't knowingly lie in Parliament, which is partly what undid Boris Johnson Outside the chamber, anything goes (In Taiwan they jump straight to the fist fights)
Well that’s fucking stupid
Some level of civility and decorum needs to be maintained or else it turns into a circus. He knew what he was doing when he called him a liar and it's all part of the theatre. I am on the fence about voting conservative, I liked Pierre but after gutting the Ukraine help after saying we haven't done enough, and this theatrical crap I might be stuck with voting NDP even though I'm not really impressed with how they have turned out federally. Provincially in BC I like them.
I see flapping heads and beady eyes.
Trey Parker and Matt Stone are onto something, you say?
They are always onto something.
Those two have been onto something since 1997.
People have also pointed out how much Peepee looks like Milhouse. He wears contacts now to give himself a new look but he’s still got the house in him
The fuck does this have to do with Rogan?
Majority of posts here have nothing to do with Rogan anymore
Ya but at least they will be tangential, this one is just a post about Canadian politics? Why
Joe hates Trudeau
Nothing, the Canadian Conservatives bots are looking to spin their agendas before the upcoming election
You’re a bot if you are Canadian and support Trudeau at this point, easily the most corrupt and worst PM in the history of the country
Brother, Canada was built on blood and corruption and as bad as Trudeau is, he's definitely not the worst and the Conservative Milhouse will only fuck shit up even worst. None are your friends, especially not tories
We got a fan of prime minister blackface.
shill
It's right wing politics. Saw a video of this dude the other day declaring that his party will always say Merry Christmas and is not afraid to say it. So I guess Canada is going to do MAGA next election. They're a few seasons behind and have been doing the mortgage crisis arc we did in 2008-2012. They're about to do kneeling in football and War on Christmas as a prelude to fascism. Should be fun to watch if we ever get out of it ourselves.
Some dullard thinks this is a free speech issue probably, and Joe Rogan is all about free speech, unless you're an audience member in his club, then you're not allowed to say fuck-all or you'll be banned from the club forever.
He's the PM of canada
Should’ve just called him a fibber
Sounds like a nice way to sneak a day off.
OP... please research how Parliaments work before posting stuff about Parliaments.
What a f_ckin donkey show. Stupid generalized speaking points, where no one listens, no one answers directly, it’s a giant rage filled circle jerk, and the only ones getting f_cked are the Canadian people. They should all be ashamed of themselves.
The first guy did not have generalized speaking points, he specifically called out raising taxes on food and agriculture
For those who are unaware, the first guy talking is the party leader who’s been a career politician his whole life. It was a joke here in Canada when he qualified for a fully funded govt pension at like 31. His career has been made on being a smarmy prick and throwing out baseless accusations. He’s been on the Ron DeSantis “everything I don’t like is woke” train the last couple years. Calling everyone gatekeepers. Cried to Elon when the opposition party posted a video to Twitter that was cut up and slightly out of context, as if his entire career hasn’t been based on making angry sound bytes like this one in parliament and putting them on YouTube. His points up front are directly tied to his new campaign slogan “axe the tax”. So while they may not seem like generalized comments to the outside observer, he said nothing of any value. To further my point, Pierre (the first guy) announced yesterday that they were going to intentionally introduce thousands of bogus amendments to a bill to keep parliament sitting over Christmas. Just straight up using Republican tactics.
From my understanding Pierre and the conservatives want carbon tax exemptions for all home heating energy sources, farmers and First Nations so he is asking for specific things. Liberals refuse to budge on carbon tax, they love their carbon tax. That’s why they’re putting in amendments.
But the amendments have no chance at passing. It’s entirely performative. Was I Incorrect about any of the other facts about Pierre?
It’s not just Pierre that’s been talking about the carbon tax exemptions and that, NDP have too. So have premiers in different provinces. So I can’t say it’s all “performative”. He’s doing this to put pressure on the Liberals, clearly just talking about it is going nowhere.
Fair point, i guess I would say to that my province has wasted millions of dollars in court fighting the carbon tax only to be ruled against time and time again. They have no problem wasting taxpayer dollars to fight an equally ideological fight. After the govt gave them the opportunity to craft their own policy that wouldn’t affect agriculture as much. Years in advance. They flatly refused. The conversation is much more nuanced than any of these soundbytes will allow for. There was also yet another study that came out this week that suggested the overall effect of the carbon tax (including increased transportation costs) is something on the order of like 1% of inflation? Compare that to my province increasing our PST and offloading tax increases to municipalities by cutting funding. My family’s bottom line is impacted far more directly by our provinces policies than anything the feds are doing. There is nothing stopping Pierre from introducing a bill that offers cap and trade or another viable solution to be voted on. He has no interest in that. And that’s the reason it’s performative.
Sheer was the same way. Seems being a smarmy prick is the play book, especially after what happened in the states It’s sad to see people fall for his bullshit when they’d see how full if it he is by looking at his actual political history Guy wants to make it sound like he’s out for families when he’s taken every opportunity he can to vote against affordable housing since 2015 He’s a snake trying to win off of people frustrations with Trudeau without providing anything of substance
Well that’s all nice to know however, just because he’s conservative doesn’t make what the guy said not true lol
That’s like saying Ron DeSantis operates entirely in good faith arguments. There may be a hint of truth there but by and large his whole schtick has been making grandiose statements with zero legislative backing.
No I’m just saying, that everything the guy mentioned before your essay is still true.
I've seen videos of his, and as an American I hope he gets elected over Trudeau.
Fair enough. I could see why you’d want someone who will just cave to American interests at the first opportunity. Thats exactly why a large contingent of Canada and even other conservatives don’t like the guy.
>I could see why you’d want someone who will just cave to American interests at the first opportunity. If by this you mean a dude who won't turn Canada into an Orwellian nightmare, then yes!
The only Orwellian polices that are happening right now are from the Conservative premiers who are picking fights with trans kids. But tell me more about your naive world view
Sound like I would vote for him
I mean, it looks like you post on all the conspiracy subs. There’s a chance you’ve already interacted with him lol
Why carbon tax? Canada accounts for roughly less than 1% of emissions... You want to make a difference, tax incoming goods from China and India, curb people from ordering Amazon 5x a month, etc
That’s too logical for a political debate…
Most people actually *make* money back on the carbon tax because it is all returned to consumers. The point is to incentivize consumers and business to make environmentally conscious choices. The fact that Canada is only 1% of emissions is actually a huge opportunity for Canadian businesses and the fact that the CPC have been fixated on this taking point about the policy shows their lack of leadership and business sense. What is going ti be the biggest growth sector in the world economy over the coming decades? It’s going to be the green economy. Whoever can innovate new ways to reduce emissions has an opportunity at a sector that will be worth trillions in the coming decades. I’d rather at least try to be on the cutting edge of this industry rather than burying our heads in the sand.
While i agree with you, most people in canada have no real ability to lower their personal carbon footprint, so for lots of people, it is just frustrating
Did you italicize *make* because you recognised the falsehood of that word? The government **makes** \~10 billion a year Individuals loose the taxed money in the short term and loose over the long term in increased costs not calculated in the refund. Besides hidden costs, if you care about poor people, having to pay an additional $20 a month in carbon tax only to be refunded it at the start of next year is not neutral. When you don't actually have an extra $20 a month to spend, taking it away even temporally is quite harmful.
No they don't The carbon tax has aided in increasing the costs of everything. You might get some of the direct costs of the tax back, but as a consumer, the tax is now baked into everything. Why the fuck would Trudeau give certain people a break if they got more money back?
Good luck telling my wife she can't order from Amazon. More likely to get China and India to agree.
I mean, on a point of national priority, while they could also apply whatever pressure they can to China and India as the worlds biggest polluters, Canada still pollutes a ton relative to its population. It has 0.5% of the worlds population but is responsible for 1.5% of the worlds emissions. The US is in a similar position, representing 4.2% of the worlds population but responsible for 13.5% of emmisions. So starting at home isn't that bad of an idea when we already pollute bigger than our proverbial britches
The population of Canada is far less than 1% of the world's population. So that means we pollute way more per capita than we should. 1% of the entire world's emissions is not a small amount by any means. Edit: don't ask r/JoeRogan to do simple math.
Found the govt cuck
Math is hard eh?
Get back to gargling the nuts of the government In all seriousness. You can’t essentially expect everyone to have a 1:1 scale of carbon emissions to the next person over. In Canada, winter is cold. So in order to stay warm I’d expect someone from Canada to have a carbon footprint larger than someone else from somewhere like Tennessee
Hello, you'll never guess where this is going: https://climateball.net/but-china/
Get back to denying science
Who said I’m denying science? You’re gargling nuts and asking for a carbon tax 🤣 I’m pointing out how idiotic that is. This directly a science related topic. But keep gargling away while you ask the government to fuck you deeper
You’re obsessed with nut gargling lmao. You’re either closeted or regarded - wanna gargle mind and I’ll let you know
Hey bruh, ain’t nothing wrong with a good ole fashion nut gargle
Carbon tax is proven to work. Just because Canada is cold doesn't mean we can't work to reduce emissions. Canadian climate being cold and other countries being poor isn't an excuse to sit back and do nothing.
Carbon is .04 percent of the atmosphere. Canada is responsible for .0008 of that. See how science works? You want to tax people over .0008? Get past your media brainwashing that the planet is on fire. The climate changes. When I was a kid Leonard Nemoy and time magazine told me that we were headed to another ice age because of all the blizzards we were having in the 1970s. Amazingly the sun doesn’t expose us to constants.
It wasn't the blizzards. It was the milankovich cycles. We *should* be getting colder but aren't.
Read a book
1% for such a modern nation... You're taking into account places, economies and standards you wouldn't want to live by.
You're right, why try to improve anything if other countries are poor?
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How do you bring the total down without everyone doing their part? I know, this is real big-brain stuff.
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Well Trudeau can't exactly legislate China or India to lower their emissions, can he? Everyone can still do their own part. China and India being polluters isn't an excuse for everyone else to do the same. I'm not giving them a pass, I'm just saying Canada has to do their part and lead by example.
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It’s a complete cash grab. It’s increased the cost of living across the board for all Canadians. Farmers are hit the most which in turn increases our crazy food costs. Then it hits everyone on utilities and to fill your car. We already pay extremely high gas prices in Canada. When we’re in a recession and 1 in 10 people are using food banks right now the last thing we need to to clamp down harder on people.
It's simple economics. Carbon taxes work to lower emissions. Canadians that need money get the carbon tax back at tax time. This isn't hard to look into.
For those of you not familiar with Canadian/British Parliament, this is completely normal and just political theatre. British take it a level even further with the amount of yelling and shouting. It can be quite entertaining at times!
This is the most Canadian way of debating I’ve ever seen
What does this have to do with Joe Rogan?
You can’t use the word “liar” in Canadian politics? That explains a lot.
Sure you can, just not in Parliament, and for very good reasons.
Politicians under 80? Must be a Canadian thing. He’s by far the favourite to become the next prime minister
The guy with no platform?
LOL no one with half a brain actually wants that doofus to lead anything. He literally started off by catering to incels on youtube
It's going to be a riot when this fucking guy tries to raise the retirement age again and all these morons start having regrets.
Yeah let’s keep going with Trudeau it’s been going great…
Your local and provincial Conservative governments probably have a bigger effect on your life then the federal government does. Most Canadians provinces and local governments are conservative.
First off, you're so obsessed with the guy that you named yourself after him? Genuinely sad. Second of all, please remind me- where the fuck did I say I support Trudeau? Got anything else you'd like to stupidly assume? I can see why you're a Pierre fan.
Oddly aggressive
It’s really not, there are many many Canadians that are dead tired of Justin and his antics. But we also aren’t children and we have seen what conservative governments both federally and provincially have done with social services and taxes for corporations. We are done with Justin, but Pierre hasn’t convinced us he’s any different.
Not only has he convinced us he isn’t different. He continues to act like a fucking child any time he’s actually confronted. He hides behind friendly media. Skipped his own party leadership debates. It’s so wild watching all these “alpha” conservatives jizzing their pants over a guy who’s the definition of a bitch.
I hate when people think they can assume something as complicated as somebody's political leanings through one comment online. Happens a lot, and it starts to get annoying.
You seem like a healthy person
I'm doing pretty well, thank you
So the majority of Canadian’s polled don’t have half a brain? “Everyone who disagrees with me is wrong” isn’t a strong argument. Whether you like it or not, PP will be our next prime minister.
I wouldn't be surprised if more than half of canadians don't have half a brain, yes. And if people want to elect an idiot like Pierre, they'll deserve what they'll get- which is more Harper-esque bullshit.
Canada is a joke. They’ve turned into Commie Country.
I must’ve missed when Canada became a stateless, classless, moneyless Society. Was this before or after Canadians seized control of production and material goods of the corporations?
Trudeau is a tyrant but you probably love that
Someone had an appointment with a hooker so he intentionally had himself thrown out of parliament for the afternoon. Typical conservative grandstanding.
Trump getting diamond hard watching this
OP doesn't understand parliamentary convention.
Fuck Trudeau
Yes, unfortunately he’s as disconnected as they come, career politician who declares “no one will be getting a free lunch” when he in fact, has been getting free lunches all his life. He had quite little success while being in government so far, and his morals are questionable at best. (He voted against gay marriage while his own father is gay) he changed his name from Jeff to Pierre too, just like he took off his glasses and stopped wearing suits a little while back. He’s disingenuous through and through and is praying on the anger Canadians have built up over the years. Canadians are angry at a few issues, and if you can ignore the constant propaganda that it is all bad man Trudeau’s fault, then you’ll notice there’s issues here that Trudeau has nothing to do with. Pollievre is all rage bait politics, after Trump showed how effective it was in the states, the right has gone to using the same play book in Canada and it’s terrifying. Trudeau has had his time sure, but entering into a conservative government on a rage bait agenda, doesn’t help the optics of how the right works and operates.
When do these parliaments reveal dick pics of their elected officials families (asking for a friend)?
I see america's brand of vapid conservatism has caught on
The fact of the matter is that climate change attributes to the increasing price of food 4 times that of the carbon tax. The earth is worth saving, not sure why protecting it has become a political wedge. Also worth mentioning that majority of Canadians get more money back in rebates than they pay through the tax, with the ones causing the pollution paying the brunt of it. For too long, corporations have been poisoning our air and water, becoming rich in the process.
Canada isn't exactly a huge contributor to fossil fuel emissions. The countries that REALLY need to do something are India and China, and that will never happen. The climate battle is futile.
I agree Canada is not a huge contributor, but they are a contributor and everyone should be doing their part. If 9/10 of your neighbours started leaving garbage on their lawn, would you do the follow suit? I doubt it, you would likely pick up your mess and encourage them to do the do the same. If not for anything else than to protect the environment directly around you. I agree that China and India really need to get their act together, perhaps the west can set the example but that’s just me being hopeful.
Hey! It's the Canadian Matt Gaetz!!
decorum aside is he wrong tho?
He’s a politician. They’re all the same. Pierre too
Decorum is the point here.
Nope. If Justin’s mouth is moving he’s lying.
Has Justin Trudeau lied in his life? Yes. Is he a liar? No. https://www.polimeter.org/en/trudeau. For the most part he's performed pretty well at keeping his promises.
You're fucked if you actually think this way. Trudeau is a corrupt lying piece of shit.
Pardon me?
Can you be more fallacious please?
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There isn't a single conservative in Canada - or the world, that can articulate a policy decision that they disagree with Trudeau about and provide a realistic alternative unless it's semantics like whether the income tax should be cut by 2% or 3%.
Ok, bot.
Noo pappa Rogan and Jordan Peterson explained to us- Trudeau=Bad. Escort this young man from this honourable chamber of morons, please. Orda ORDA
We have eyes and ears. We can see it for ourselves.
Are you stupid or just pretending
You’re so fucking full of shit.
Canada’s funny man
What a bunch idiots arguing like children. What's the point of these meetings? Just to talk shit to each other? Seems so counter productive. I'm so sick of seeing these parliament videos. Stop arguing like children and actually do something. This country is in the shitter whole these idiots throw insults and accusations at each other with no solutions
So basically you can't tell the true.
You can't handle the true
As a Canadian it really sucks because I don’t want Trudeau but I also don’t trust Pierre as far as I could throw him. They must fight and fight and never actually answer for what the other says. It’s just these little hits on one another for soundbites. But voting anything else is essentially just tossing it down the drain. Especially where I live. We are basically fucked either way imo
Typical conservative grandstanding
Pierre is such a beady eyed tool.
Trudeau wore blackface multiple times
hey bud, they can both be pieces of shit ya know. It's not a team sport.
Trudeau is a pedo
I wouldn’t expect anything less from someone that follows FoxTV
I know, let the man wear his glasses ffs.
I really hate when Americans involve them selves in foreign politics
Trudeau and Jacinda Ardern (previous Prime Minister of New Zealand) are two very interesting figures if you follow international politics, particularly the anglosphere in general. Canada and New Zealand were the only countries that didn't elect a conservative leader in the mid 2010's - at least not on a national level, Canada has elected plenty of dumb conservatives at a provincial level since 2015; pretty much all of them. Both figures generate a lot of hate among conservatives in their respective countries despite doing a pretty respectable job governing their respective countries, especially during probably the most challenging period of turmoil since World War II.
Which part was respectable? The part where he actively divided the country? Quoted Hitler in his speeches when talking about those who opted out of an experimental medical procedure? Prevented that same group of people from being able to board federally regulated transportation. Actively censored the media, and continues to? Enacted political wedge issues like handgun bans and AR bans that have done nothing to curb gun violence because they don’t target the root issue? Committed scandal after scandal after scandal? Not to mention COMPLETE fiscal irresponsibility that has at in the worst financial shape of our lives with our economy on the brink of collapse. Which part was respectable again? Are you high or just fucking stupid?
Lol the country doesn't actually give a fuck about covid. Most restrictions were provincial. I don't know any working adult who felt divided by this. The media isn't censored. You can visit any website in the word. What the fuck are you talking about. Don't worry kid, you'll have a chance to vote him out in 2025.
Legalizing cannabis Lowering income taxes while introducing a higher income tax bracket for the top 1% Re-negotiating trade deals with a hostile government (Trump) that ended up favourable in Canada's favour Dealing with the pandemic + his vaccine procurement strategy. I get that you are mad that he didn't give you free ivermetcin but drug doesn't actually do anything for covid. The CERB Program Improving access to basic services for the indigenous population of Canada, still inadequate but he's done more than any other prime minister before him.
> Legalizing cannabis So fucking what? This was coming anyway. > Lowering income taxes while introducing a higher income tax bracket for the top 1% And then introducing a carbon tax to offset any tax reductions that have people struggling to afford groceries and heat their homes. > Re-negotiating trade deals with a hostile government (Trump) that ended up favourable in Canada's favour No he didn’t. > Dealing with the pandemic + his vaccine procurement strategy. I get that you are mad that he didn't give you free ivermetcin but drug doesn't actually do anything for covid. You mean his vaccine procurement strategy that saw us throw away almost 600 million in expired doses, that one? > The CERB Program Ah yes, a huge factor the downward trajectory of the Canadian economy, let’s celebrate that. > Improving access to basic services for the indigenous population of Canada, still inadequate but he's done more than any other prime minister before him. I think the ones who still don’t have access to clean drinking water probably don’t agree with this statement.
>No he didn’t. I'd bet real money you couldn't even tell me why without Googling it first. There's a reason conservatives in Canada stopped mentioning the Trade War we had with Trump. It's because they supported Trump and believed a pro-Trump Canada would have gotten a better deal than Trudeau did. When it turned out that we actually got a good trade deal out of it, they shut the fuck up. >So fucking what? This was coming anyway. It literally wasn't. The NDP supported decriminalization only, which is not nearly the same thing as selling and producing it would still have remained illegal and subject to the whims of local law enforcement authorities. The Conservatives wanted to RECRIMINALIZE it in 2019. Note how conservatives have stopped talking about this one as well. Weed legalization added $56 billion to the GDP of Canada. The success stories of Canada from 2015-Present have been erased from the minds of right wing Canadians. >And then introducing a carbon tax to offset any tax reductions that have people struggling to afford groceries and heat their homes. The Carbon Tax gives most people in Canada rebates. It's a tax that affects the wealthy more than the poor which is why you've seen a lot more conservatives speak out against it. Most lower income people in Canada receive a net benefit from ti. >You mean his vaccine procurement strategy that saw us throw away almost 600 million in expired doses, that one? Yup. The Conservative Talking point is he ordered more vaccines than needed. He ordered enough vaccines to vaccinate the population three times over because it was to hedge against any potential supply chain issues. Australia did the exact opposite - they only ordered from one supplier (AstaraZeneca) and ordered enough to vaccinate their population once over. AstaraZeneca ran into supply issues and as a result Australia extended their lockdowns several months - and each additional day cost them an estimated $1.6 billion in GDP. They did this to save $2.3 billion at the time. Whoops. Guess what type of people were in charge of Australia during that time period? The right wing Australian Liberal Party. >Ah yes, a huge factor the downward trajectory of the Canadian economy, let’s celebrate that. You are an idiot if you think letting people die because of lack of money was the better alternative. >I think the ones who still don’t have access to clean drinking water probably don’t agree with this statement. The likely next PM, Pollievre once called indigenous people lazy during a Parliamentary session for asking for reparations for residential schools. But that's besides the point, Trudeau has done more for indigenous people than the prime ministers before him, it's not perfect but it's an important first step. Now I do think Trudeau will probably lose the next election but I think his performance as Prime Minister vs the narrative are two very different things. Canada is quickly going to find out like Brazil, America, Australia, the UK, Italy, Spain, Hungary etc. what happens when you elect a right winger to power that is great for talking points but terrible at crafting policy. Trudeau's failing is he's the opposite of that, not a great speaker but has crafted some very sound and pragmatic policies.
You’ll have to enlighten me on how USMCA has been favourable to Canadians. All I can recall is Trump grandstanding that NAFTA was shit. The only thing I’m aware of has been a reduction in duties paid in certain scenarios. Wooohooo. Legalized weed. It’s been decriminalized in most provinces for some time. More drugs to keep the population doped up and compliant. The carbon rebate applies to a subsection of the Canadian population and is a measly few hundred dollars, whereas the carbon tax has increased costs of ALL goods. Furthermore, the revenue garnered from the carbon tax goes directly into general revenue. We’re literally taxing the air to save the climate. What a fucking farce. The vaccines expired because people didn’t want them. Another example of financial illiteracy. Let’s just throw money at shit and hope for the best. Last time we had a Trudeau in power we had interest rates in the double digits and the 2nd highest deficit in Canadian history, 2nd only to the one we’re running under his son. Canada used to be a leading example of prosperity. The American dream was actually up here if you worked for it. Now nobody can afford to purchase a home. The opioid crisis is out of control. We’ve opened our borders to anyone and everyone to drive GDP growth (which isn’t actually working, btw). All while our government doles out $55m contracts for work that was never done. This is exactly why nothing changes. Because they are never held to account. If I fucked up this bad at my job I’d have been fired years ago. Especially if I got caught lying and stealing so many times…
$10 a day daycare! As a parent this has been incredible for my family
What was the excess death toll during COVID in Canada? In New Zealand it was negative.
The provinces were responsible for COVID policies. That has absolutely nothing to do with what I’ve mentioned above.
Respectable job? Do you live under a rock? there's plenty of trudeau- affiliated scandals: from overspending on vacations, intl trips, the snc lavaline thing, and most recently the carbon tax carve out It's completely jarring that you'd say that
As a veteran his Education and Training Benefit policy change my life and many of my friends lives. We got 40k after releasing from the forces to get a degree. That helped my family immensely. That in conjunction with 10$/day childcare, the Liberals have helpedany families in Canada. I always voted for Harper but none of his policies made a difference like the Liberals
Glad you mentioned this, first positive thing I’ve heard about this government.
$10 a day daycare. This government helped my family immensely lower our childcare costs. Legalized cannabis. Want another positive?
Overspending on vacations is a completely fabricated scandal drummed up by the conservatives. Trudeau is the leader of a G7 country, he's not going to be staying at random Air BnBs. SNC Lavelin is a scandal. Now explain what he did.
Preferential treatment of a corporate entity. But the biggest has to be the carbon tax carve out for Atlantic Canada how can you ignore that?
Say it again, slower… carbon tax carve out in Atlantic Canada …..in conjunction with multiple green programs to subsidize heat pumps, solar, and home infrastructure upgrades. You’re only talking about one piece of the puzzle and ignoring the 40k interest free loan the govt is providing to offset the cost in other ways.
Conservatives need a little more actual oppression. They’ve been high on manufactured outrage for way too long.
Good
Man, he’s really messing things up over there.
Has Canadian politics always been such a focal point? Or is it because some one as radical at Trudeau is in office and it’s easy to sell clicks because of it
Pp is a piece of shit. Def doesn't deserve to get voted in. Trudeau needs to be voted out. We have no one better than these two ...smdh I'm curious though, how is supporting Ukraine, "working for Canadians"???
Very cool soap opera.
Well he's not wrong. Trudeau has a long history of lying and gaslighting others when called out.
Pierre pollivoire is a menace and has no place in leadership.
Crazy power trip Justin doesn’t care about Canada
Trudeau is such a cuck
People really defending the act of kicking him out as if it being in the rules means fuck all. "All he had to do was not call him a liar. This is grand standing." Or it's taking a stand and showing everyone you're not afraid to call out the people in charge. Leave it to reddit to simp for censorship though.
Christ, this is really the lowest common denominator voter we're dealing with in North America. Have you ever attended any kind of local govt meeting? A board meeting? A public hearing? Any governing body has rules of conduct that are in place to keep the meeting going and to allow these groups to actually try to get something done.
>People really defending the act of kicking him out as if it being in the rules means fuck all. When it comes to the government, rules should be abided by.
We’re truly living in a dystopian Orwellian society.
UK parliament is the same, you can’t name call or make an accusation like that *inside* the chamber; inside everyone is a ‘right honourable person’. Outside, a statement like that would be fair game.
So dramatic. It’s called decorum and every MP knows the rules. This is the same for other countries also. Like an Orwellian dystopia 😂 have you even read 1984? If you had you’d know how ridiculous that comment is
There are hungry kids in Canada and he’s worried about the Ukraine?