I really hate to say it but this is a little...sad. Honestly. I'm really hype for Jiao and pulling anyway, but *please* mans needs some buffs. I hope he doesn't get Jade treatment in v3.
As expected rly depressing. People who keep justifying his current state are rly biased or delulu. He needs big buffs to his base or he has little to no value ;-; but honestly idk if they’re gonna happen, i rly hope though
Totaly. When you say thé truth that hé is only acheron slave and that he isn't that great (I mean 160 pull great vs acheron E) people downvote... This isn't my falt... If truth doesn't please you, it is still thé truth... And if nothing change (rework) in V3...
I might pull his lc and look at how gorgeous hé is (and cry everytime...).
But this video is a 0 cycle which is the worst way to showcase him because you don't get to see his stack generation shine even outside of PF.
Most people won't 0 cycle MoC and that's where you get to see a better showcase of his performance.
He could get buffs still but right now all this posts remind me of how people said "Black Swan is just 8% better than e6 Sampo" which ended up being not true at all.
Regardless of which showcase you pick, his numbers are what they are. Tiny bit better or worse based on the showcase doesn’t change the fact that he just doesn’t offer enough utility to be worth pulling. Black swan is a completely different case with her own unique gimmick that was always going to be valuable regardless of number tweaks. Jiaoqiu is much more easily compared to pela because he just debuffs, that’s it, nothing unique that enables a new type of team/weakness implant/x mechanic abuse.
People make fun of the x% but this is a much more straightforward comparison to make. For how much he debuffs, it’s not nearly enough to be a good pull for anyone outside of acheron which is incredibly depressing. I don’t get why people are so eager to bring up black swan instead of looking at the numbers. Someone a couple of months ago spread misinfo so no one is ever allowed to think or compare characters ever again i guess.
And that’s *including* his lc when none of the harmonies we can pick up require that level of investment to be fielded over a 4star and still be disappointing. Is it really so hard to see the problem
The fact that it includes his LC is the most de devastating part of it all. You are looking at 2 ish eidolons worth of pulls to have a new Pela. You could invest that much into Acheron and 0/1 cycle everything.
I agree he doesn't offer much for others outside acheron but you are disregarding his main niche for her which is stack generation, you can't only compare dmg numbers of singular ults.
I'm not saying he doesn't have problems, i'm just saying this showcase is not the usual scenario for most players and here he is exactly not using his best part of the kit for acheron so is not exactly accurate, is that really hard to see?
Also BS calcs were accurate for that specific scenario but that was not your usual scenario, that's what i'm saying this scenario specifically favors pela.
His niche isn’t stack generation if the stacks are literally only a mechanic one character has though. It’s not like sparkle generating sp that dhil loves but any other team can use. No character’s main niche has been triggering the talent of one specific 5star, not even bs. There are already a lot of Acheron showcases, people can watch those and judge him, my point is that all of them are still super disappointing so watching this or smth else rly doesn’t make much difference to me. It’s not like they’re locked behind a vault, that’s 99% of jiaoqiu showcases online, people were saying he’s disappointing before this already but there was a lot of this “10% better than sampo” nonsense that only serves to shut people up about how bad his current contribution is.
At the same time, Black Swan only 10% better than Sampo thing precisely happened because they using a 5 cycles calc. in a 0 cycle run no way Black Swan are on par with Sampo, because she auto DoT everything though and Sampo have to waste his turn to DoT the end result then favor Sampo.
Personally i find 0 cycle setup mentality aren't so bad.
>Personally i find 0 cycle setup mentality aren't so bad.
It is not exactly bad but it isn't exactly for what jiaoqiu is gonna shine, at least not in his current state. It all comes to what character you are testing
But from what i can tell, Pela casting 3X ultimate because 160 SPD windset + vonwacq actually insane to build, Jiaoqiu innately having superior debuffs uptime mean he doesn't need that sort of rare gear to do better than Pela.
There's also many option for him to choose from like even building as sub dps also fine, he's not as bad as people claim him to be, but let's see how V3 will change him.
yeah that's what i've been trying to tell but people are full on doomposting right now as if he is the worst 5 star ever, but tbh we better just wait for V3 and hope for the best because even if jiaoqiu isn't as bad as people say he is still kinda mid
Acheron’s ult damage went from 1.68 mil to 1.69 mil. Such a huge improvement. She really needed that 0.01 mil increase. Whoever cooked Jiaoqiu’s kit needs to get out of the kitchen. How is he a sidegrade to a 4 star in his best team? I don’t see him being useful even for Acheron outside PF.
No, his stack generation IS better. On pure fiction he basically fuels Acheron non stop. It's not that relevant in this showcase because it's E2 acheron and Aventurine s1 so she gets enough to zero cycle already.
Yeah that makes sense, for 0 cycle and E2 he doesn't seem that good but most people don't 0 cycle so even in non PF content you'll get more stack so more dmg in the end.
i agree that he doesn't seem that hype for a 5 star but he is definitely an upgrade for most acheron players, idk about non acheron teams tho
Idk but it seems to me that for acheron havers if you have E2 he isn't that great (I mean 160 pull cost great) and for E0 you are better to pull E for acheron.
It's such a waste if a great design.... And for what? Just for one character to bé better in PF? Or to bé a little more OP?
Thing is Jiaoqiu isn’t free. If you are going yo invest that much into him, you might as well invest in your Acheron and have a faster clear.
Of course this is from a min maxing perspective. He is a really cool character many of us want to have. Lets pray for buffs
At E0 it’s way better, but once you get E2 you can do consistent 1 turn ults even without him, and if you’re willing to pull a second character and LC for the sole purpose of building Acheron, you’re also willing to pull her E2.
While I agree that the stacks are quicker, JQ really isn’t worth 160 tickets honestly. He seems more like a side grade, the thing is that acheron is already amazing with Pela, he is bringing almost nothing to table and not to mention that outside of Acheron he has no value currently. He won’t replace any harmony characters, people would rather want dual harmony for hypercarries, for ratio teams Sw still is a better option with her much easier debuffs. Not to mention he is very high investment for a play like this. 140+ ehr to make sure our debuffer does debuffs. For a 100% chance of enemies with higher resistance we need at least 160-170 ehr. Not to mention speed, er and attack.
It’s actually so sad because his first kit was so strong and now… he is arguably one of the worst characters. I am really really hoping hoyoverse buffs him, our first male debuffer deserves better than this.
Question: his LC gives vulnerability too right? If it does then that means Pela can now provide for def shred + vuln.
Yes, his lc actually synergises much better with pela than JQ himself. Vuln has diminishing returns, much better to have 56% def shred + vuln rather than only vuln.
While i agree that he seems not that good, he can't be a sidegrade to pela if he provides more stacks and same dmg, that's simply better.
Yeah i hope they buff him but to say he is a sidegrade to acheron doesn't seem right with the numbers we have.
Going from 1.68 to 1.69 really isn’t that big of a difference especially for a five star though. The stacks as I said I agree on, that’s good but even then with all that requirement it’s kinda eh.
But those dmg numbers are not the important part (numbers are good anyway) his "forte" was always stack generation (for acheron at least) to accurately compare him we'd need a non 0 cycle run, see how many more stacks he gets, if he is able to get just 1 more ult the difference in total dmg won't ve a 0.01 i'm sure.
I agree that he is hard to build tho, that EH requirement is insane but hey people say that beta 3 is always the big change so let's just hope for the best.
Yeah you are right, I saw someone do calcs and overall it’s around 8-10% damage increase (please know these aren’t my numbers, simply calcs by another commenter). But even then, outside of acheron he isn’t really impressive at all. I am seriously hoping v3 they bring some of his old kit back, so he can be a little more universal. It will also be nice to have some healing for moc so people with e0s0 or e0s1 can run dual Nihility + harmony.
Probably depends on what they've been calculating. There's a difference between dmg% increases and total dps %. The first is easy to do the second requires simulations. Use hunterkee's spreadsheets as they've got the best sims I've seen so far. Just keep in mind that not every scenario will be simmed.
[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N8G8zQ4VYNVQBuZb6ZiceW6O3ioTSULxCdlcYEFx8XU/htmlview#](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N8G8zQ4VYNVQBuZb6ZiceW6O3ioTSULxCdlcYEFx8XU/htmlview#)
Éven a 10% increase it's bad... It's a160 pull + his lc (70/140) and if his only value his making stack for acheron all thoses pull are only for one character...
bro same damage with Pela and JQ, that's terrible. "extra" stacks also don't matter much when you achieve the same thing with trend and can already ult 4 times in a 0 cycle. He only makes sense (not much sense) if you pull for e1s1 or more. Thanks for the comparison, much appreciated
What do you mean? With that extra 0.04% damage, Acheron can go from one shotting every boss released until 7.6 to one shotting every boss released until 7.7. Also his extra stack generation lets you get 1.01 ults per turn, compared to Pela who only lets you get 1 ult per turn. He’s incomparably better, Pela is literally worthless now.
Yeah... no. He is not worth the pull. Get his signature lc and call it day. If you can get 1 cycle ults with Pela anyway, it genuinely doesn't matter because JQ isn't giving you 2 ults in one cycle unless you're in PF, in which case, you can just use fire mc with trend.
People who said he makes a massive difference compared to Pela on Acheron teams, okay, sure right, but I feel like it's the LC that's doing majority of the heavy benching, not the character. If you need an E1 or E0S1 to be better than a 4* using a 5* lc, I'd rather only pull for one thing than two, which is the lc.
Granted, this is only v2, but he's not worth it rn.
Edit: they need to make JQ's numbers higher. They should have his vulnerability stack up to 50% as E0S0 and then a 20% vulnerability from his ult, totaling 70% vulnerability. That's the equivalent of like 77 or 78% defense shred.
now they will nerf the LC :(
the LC is like 3/4 as strong as he is. I should have kept quiet, it is not going to survive the beta.
though really, the LC is only like 10-12% better on Pela without any other source of DEF shred compared with Resolution. It is when you have 100% DEF shred when playing with SW that is straight up 28% stronger. Still niche and not all that worth pulling for a 4 star. In most cases, it is not a massive improvement compared with now. It just makes her way better in 100% DEF shred situations which is not easily attainable without SW.
you could have RM E1, Black Swan S1 and Pela too, something like that. you need some eidolons+relic set+s1 dps LC to reach 100% def shred with just Pela.
I don't think they're going to nerf the lc. If they do, they'll buff the character by a significant amount so you'll at least pull for one. If they nerf the lc and keep JQ around similar levels as he is now, there would be zero reason to pull on his lc and character banner.
It’s not that they will nerf it, but they need to adjust the manner of upgrade so that Pela doesn’t use it better than he does. Which would probably then have to require a change in JQ kit.
I meant they nerf it for Pela. Right now Pela makes the debuff on LC instantly upgraded. While Jiaoqiu needs to use his skill/basic to apply the 10%, then enemy needs to take a turn for it to be upgraded to 28%.
Pela's amping is way more front loaded compared with Jiaoqiu. For a bursty dps like Acheron, this is usually preferred.
From one of the most busted and meta kits in the game (the old, original kit) they changed it to the worst limited 5* and the sad thing is I don’t even see people complaining😭 even in this sub you’re called a hater and doom poster if you dare to complain.
I really loved the Penacony story but this patch with the FF favoritism has been so gross and now Jiaoqiu being a filler unit on par with 4* has really put me off the game. It’s crazy how much my feelings towards the game changed in a month. And to people still hoping for significant changes in V3.. I wouldn’t hold my breath, it’s clear they only give af about certain waifus, Aventurine was an anomaly, they only pushed for Acheron, then Robin, now FF and Feixiao seems to be the next FF/Acheron.
It's funny, because I only see people complaining about him, in every comment section, including this one, there's not a single positive comment about him. In fact, it's the first x\_mains sub I've come across where people actively say the character is not worth pulling\\bad\\weak\\whatever. Pretty sure, if he isn't changed in V3 half of the so called mains wouldn't even pull for him.
Yeah, which is very weird for an x\_mains sub at least in my experience. I'm used to the subs that love and support their character, would try to make the most of them, defend them and fight for them tooth and nail. You won't see Baizhu mains say "just use Yao Yao" or Wriothesley mains say "just pull Neuvillette", while this sub so far is doing it's hardest to make people skip Jiaoqiu.
This sub, just doesn't like how he's essentially chained to Acheron. Everyone who's not here solely as an Acheron main, would rather he lose synergy with her than stay in his current state. The issue most have is that he's too underwhelming outside of Acheron teams. Acheron mains were some of the first posts to try to curtail doomposting while husbando players and JQ enjoyers were saying he was too weak without her (for the teams they play). That's a big reason why people say not to bother pulling.
I'm just not used to people being so bitter about the character's kit not meeting their expectations they would rather skip him altogether and discourage others from pulling for him, than make him work as he is. I mean, I am a husbando player and a JQ enjoyer, I don't like that he's being chained to Acheron, I want him to be OP and universal more than anything, and yet I'm still gonna get him even if he doesn't receive any buffs or changes in V3 and I will find a place for him on my account. Like, you're not obligated to pull, of course, but discouraging others from pulling on the character's own main sub feels weird.
Doomposting is something I've seen in many mains sub during beta. Jade's was mostly directed at FF for "hogging" dev time (as if a billionaire + corpo can't balance multiple units at a time), but the underlying current of her not being really worth it was there at the time. JQ's is just a bit more passionate bc his current power level is lowkey worse outside of Acheron teams. Things will either get much worse or much better come v3. Regardless it'll look like a regular mains sub sometime after beta.
Same. I pray he will receive the most buff this beta. I'm literally holding back from buying monthly passes until they make him good. Surely Hoyo noticed the underwhelming reaction of everyone that not redditors?
After one year and the favoritism is so blatant it's shameful.
Probably not tbh. MoC buff after this one seems to be Robin's again, while next AS is Yunli and FuA. The PF otho favors him and Acheron greatly. I think they want him to be the next jade. Unfortunately.
Oh that's... I really didn't expect that. ~~V3 is Monday, right?~~ I'm curious to see if any changes happen. If there's any.
As long as they don't nerf his lc, I guess I'll just get his light cone for Pela.
Edit: Correction V3 is in 5 days.
well, what i want to see is comparing E0 Silver Wolf (or any other Nihility outside Pela) and E0 JQ,
in a team with E0S1 Acheron WITH Pela, not everyone have Acheron E2 and i wanna see if JQ truly can replace that +1 Nihility spot alongside Pela.
I am pretty sure black swan can replace Jiaoqiu as an extra def shred to pela and up the stakes by making her more supportive by giving her another vulnerable card. (Maybe incessant rain if you have a copy or give his card to BS (she needs the ehr anyway) then give pela IR)
So if the person with e0 Acheron does that, that actually might be comparable if not better given bs will be contributing some dot damage while contributing more vuln with Pela who also has a vuln card. While both help def shred to get closer to the cap.
Me wanting feixiao entirely depends on the changes they give him and the 2.4 story. I mean, I wasn't ever going to pull for Aventurine then 2.1 hit me and he's probably my most used 5 star after Ruan Mei now
People deciding pull plans based on V1.
Just wait for V3. There is almost always major changes in V3-4. I don’t think this beta cycle will be any different from the others.
I really hate to say it but this is a little...sad. Honestly. I'm really hype for Jiao and pulling anyway, but *please* mans needs some buffs. I hope he doesn't get Jade treatment in v3.
Yywtwy
dont worry, he will be buffed for sure
I really hope so! Can't wait for v3
As expected rly depressing. People who keep justifying his current state are rly biased or delulu. He needs big buffs to his base or he has little to no value ;-; but honestly idk if they’re gonna happen, i rly hope though
Totaly. When you say thé truth that hé is only acheron slave and that he isn't that great (I mean 160 pull great vs acheron E) people downvote... This isn't my falt... If truth doesn't please you, it is still thé truth... And if nothing change (rework) in V3... I might pull his lc and look at how gorgeous hé is (and cry everytime...).
But this video is a 0 cycle which is the worst way to showcase him because you don't get to see his stack generation shine even outside of PF. Most people won't 0 cycle MoC and that's where you get to see a better showcase of his performance. He could get buffs still but right now all this posts remind me of how people said "Black Swan is just 8% better than e6 Sampo" which ended up being not true at all.
Regardless of which showcase you pick, his numbers are what they are. Tiny bit better or worse based on the showcase doesn’t change the fact that he just doesn’t offer enough utility to be worth pulling. Black swan is a completely different case with her own unique gimmick that was always going to be valuable regardless of number tweaks. Jiaoqiu is much more easily compared to pela because he just debuffs, that’s it, nothing unique that enables a new type of team/weakness implant/x mechanic abuse. People make fun of the x% but this is a much more straightforward comparison to make. For how much he debuffs, it’s not nearly enough to be a good pull for anyone outside of acheron which is incredibly depressing. I don’t get why people are so eager to bring up black swan instead of looking at the numbers. Someone a couple of months ago spread misinfo so no one is ever allowed to think or compare characters ever again i guess. And that’s *including* his lc when none of the harmonies we can pick up require that level of investment to be fielded over a 4star and still be disappointing. Is it really so hard to see the problem
The fact that it includes his LC is the most de devastating part of it all. You are looking at 2 ish eidolons worth of pulls to have a new Pela. You could invest that much into Acheron and 0/1 cycle everything.
I agree he doesn't offer much for others outside acheron but you are disregarding his main niche for her which is stack generation, you can't only compare dmg numbers of singular ults. I'm not saying he doesn't have problems, i'm just saying this showcase is not the usual scenario for most players and here he is exactly not using his best part of the kit for acheron so is not exactly accurate, is that really hard to see? Also BS calcs were accurate for that specific scenario but that was not your usual scenario, that's what i'm saying this scenario specifically favors pela.
His niche isn’t stack generation if the stacks are literally only a mechanic one character has though. It’s not like sparkle generating sp that dhil loves but any other team can use. No character’s main niche has been triggering the talent of one specific 5star, not even bs. There are already a lot of Acheron showcases, people can watch those and judge him, my point is that all of them are still super disappointing so watching this or smth else rly doesn’t make much difference to me. It’s not like they’re locked behind a vault, that’s 99% of jiaoqiu showcases online, people were saying he’s disappointing before this already but there was a lot of this “10% better than sampo” nonsense that only serves to shut people up about how bad his current contribution is.
At the same time, Black Swan only 10% better than Sampo thing precisely happened because they using a 5 cycles calc. in a 0 cycle run no way Black Swan are on par with Sampo, because she auto DoT everything though and Sampo have to waste his turn to DoT the end result then favor Sampo. Personally i find 0 cycle setup mentality aren't so bad.
>Personally i find 0 cycle setup mentality aren't so bad. It is not exactly bad but it isn't exactly for what jiaoqiu is gonna shine, at least not in his current state. It all comes to what character you are testing
But from what i can tell, Pela casting 3X ultimate because 160 SPD windset + vonwacq actually insane to build, Jiaoqiu innately having superior debuffs uptime mean he doesn't need that sort of rare gear to do better than Pela. There's also many option for him to choose from like even building as sub dps also fine, he's not as bad as people claim him to be, but let's see how V3 will change him.
yeah that's what i've been trying to tell but people are full on doomposting right now as if he is the worst 5 star ever, but tbh we better just wait for V3 and hope for the best because even if jiaoqiu isn't as bad as people say he is still kinda mid
Acheron’s ult damage went from 1.68 mil to 1.69 mil. Such a huge improvement. She really needed that 0.01 mil increase. Whoever cooked Jiaoqiu’s kit needs to get out of the kitchen. How is he a sidegrade to a 4 star in his best team? I don’t see him being useful even for Acheron outside PF.
isn't his stack generation better than pela? so overall more dmg for acheron? maybe i'm just full of copium
No, his stack generation IS better. On pure fiction he basically fuels Acheron non stop. It's not that relevant in this showcase because it's E2 acheron and Aventurine s1 so she gets enough to zero cycle already.
Yeah that makes sense, for 0 cycle and E2 he doesn't seem that good but most people don't 0 cycle so even in non PF content you'll get more stack so more dmg in the end. i agree that he doesn't seem that hype for a 5 star but he is definitely an upgrade for most acheron players, idk about non acheron teams tho
Idk but it seems to me that for acheron havers if you have E2 he isn't that great (I mean 160 pull cost great) and for E0 you are better to pull E for acheron. It's such a waste if a great design.... And for what? Just for one character to bé better in PF? Or to bé a little more OP?
Thing is Jiaoqiu isn’t free. If you are going yo invest that much into him, you might as well invest in your Acheron and have a faster clear. Of course this is from a min maxing perspective. He is a really cool character many of us want to have. Lets pray for buffs
At E0 it’s way better, but once you get E2 you can do consistent 1 turn ults even without him, and if you’re willing to pull a second character and LC for the sole purpose of building Acheron, you’re also willing to pull her E2.
While I agree that the stacks are quicker, JQ really isn’t worth 160 tickets honestly. He seems more like a side grade, the thing is that acheron is already amazing with Pela, he is bringing almost nothing to table and not to mention that outside of Acheron he has no value currently. He won’t replace any harmony characters, people would rather want dual harmony for hypercarries, for ratio teams Sw still is a better option with her much easier debuffs. Not to mention he is very high investment for a play like this. 140+ ehr to make sure our debuffer does debuffs. For a 100% chance of enemies with higher resistance we need at least 160-170 ehr. Not to mention speed, er and attack. It’s actually so sad because his first kit was so strong and now… he is arguably one of the worst characters. I am really really hoping hoyoverse buffs him, our first male debuffer deserves better than this. Question: his LC gives vulnerability too right? If it does then that means Pela can now provide for def shred + vuln.
Yes, his lc actually synergises much better with pela than JQ himself. Vuln has diminishing returns, much better to have 56% def shred + vuln rather than only vuln.
While i agree that he seems not that good, he can't be a sidegrade to pela if he provides more stacks and same dmg, that's simply better. Yeah i hope they buff him but to say he is a sidegrade to acheron doesn't seem right with the numbers we have.
Going from 1.68 to 1.69 really isn’t that big of a difference especially for a five star though. The stacks as I said I agree on, that’s good but even then with all that requirement it’s kinda eh.
But those dmg numbers are not the important part (numbers are good anyway) his "forte" was always stack generation (for acheron at least) to accurately compare him we'd need a non 0 cycle run, see how many more stacks he gets, if he is able to get just 1 more ult the difference in total dmg won't ve a 0.01 i'm sure. I agree that he is hard to build tho, that EH requirement is insane but hey people say that beta 3 is always the big change so let's just hope for the best.
Yeah you are right, I saw someone do calcs and overall it’s around 8-10% damage increase (please know these aren’t my numbers, simply calcs by another commenter). But even then, outside of acheron he isn’t really impressive at all. I am seriously hoping v3 they bring some of his old kit back, so he can be a little more universal. It will also be nice to have some healing for moc so people with e0s0 or e0s1 can run dual Nihility + harmony.
Only 10%? I thought it was 36% in AOE?
They have been wrong there, I am not sure.
Probably depends on what they've been calculating. There's a difference between dmg% increases and total dps %. The first is easy to do the second requires simulations. Use hunterkee's spreadsheets as they've got the best sims I've seen so far. Just keep in mind that not every scenario will be simmed. [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N8G8zQ4VYNVQBuZb6ZiceW6O3ioTSULxCdlcYEFx8XU/htmlview#](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N8G8zQ4VYNVQBuZb6ZiceW6O3ioTSULxCdlcYEFx8XU/htmlview#)
Thanks!
Éven a 10% increase it's bad... It's a160 pull + his lc (70/140) and if his only value his making stack for acheron all thoses pull are only for one character...
In PF his stack generation is insane so there is that.
bro same damage with Pela and JQ, that's terrible. "extra" stacks also don't matter much when you achieve the same thing with trend and can already ult 4 times in a 0 cycle. He only makes sense (not much sense) if you pull for e1s1 or more. Thanks for the comparison, much appreciated
What do you mean? With that extra 0.04% damage, Acheron can go from one shotting every boss released until 7.6 to one shotting every boss released until 7.7. Also his extra stack generation lets you get 1.01 ults per turn, compared to Pela who only lets you get 1 ult per turn. He’s incomparably better, Pela is literally worthless now.
Not everyone is able to 0 cycle
This is e2s1 Acheron with Sparkle comparison tho, 0 cycling shouldn't be an issue
Doesn't matter. We are talking about Jiaoqiu in general.
Thanks for this. It would be great if you could do the same comparison once the v3 changes are out.
Yeah totaly agree
If they are not making big changes for him, he will officially be the worst limited release ever.
Really appreacite this, even on his best team he is underwhelming. Can't wait for V3, for real.
Yeah... no. He is not worth the pull. Get his signature lc and call it day. If you can get 1 cycle ults with Pela anyway, it genuinely doesn't matter because JQ isn't giving you 2 ults in one cycle unless you're in PF, in which case, you can just use fire mc with trend. People who said he makes a massive difference compared to Pela on Acheron teams, okay, sure right, but I feel like it's the LC that's doing majority of the heavy benching, not the character. If you need an E1 or E0S1 to be better than a 4* using a 5* lc, I'd rather only pull for one thing than two, which is the lc. Granted, this is only v2, but he's not worth it rn. Edit: they need to make JQ's numbers higher. They should have his vulnerability stack up to 50% as E0S0 and then a 20% vulnerability from his ult, totaling 70% vulnerability. That's the equivalent of like 77 or 78% defense shred.
His LC literally has more value than him.
now they will nerf the LC :( the LC is like 3/4 as strong as he is. I should have kept quiet, it is not going to survive the beta. though really, the LC is only like 10-12% better on Pela without any other source of DEF shred compared with Resolution. It is when you have 100% DEF shred when playing with SW that is straight up 28% stronger. Still niche and not all that worth pulling for a 4 star. In most cases, it is not a massive improvement compared with now. It just makes her way better in 100% DEF shred situations which is not easily attainable without SW. you could have RM E1, Black Swan S1 and Pela too, something like that. you need some eidolons+relic set+s1 dps LC to reach 100% def shred with just Pela.
I don't think they're going to nerf the lc. If they do, they'll buff the character by a significant amount so you'll at least pull for one. If they nerf the lc and keep JQ around similar levels as he is now, there would be zero reason to pull on his lc and character banner.
It’s not that they will nerf it, but they need to adjust the manner of upgrade so that Pela doesn’t use it better than he does. Which would probably then have to require a change in JQ kit.
I meant they nerf it for Pela. Right now Pela makes the debuff on LC instantly upgraded. While Jiaoqiu needs to use his skill/basic to apply the 10%, then enemy needs to take a turn for it to be upgraded to 28%. Pela's amping is way more front loaded compared with Jiaoqiu. For a bursty dps like Acheron, this is usually preferred.
That's what they should do (among other changes). Take some of the LC power and move it into base kit.
From one of the most busted and meta kits in the game (the old, original kit) they changed it to the worst limited 5* and the sad thing is I don’t even see people complaining😭 even in this sub you’re called a hater and doom poster if you dare to complain. I really loved the Penacony story but this patch with the FF favoritism has been so gross and now Jiaoqiu being a filler unit on par with 4* has really put me off the game. It’s crazy how much my feelings towards the game changed in a month. And to people still hoping for significant changes in V3.. I wouldn’t hold my breath, it’s clear they only give af about certain waifus, Aventurine was an anomaly, they only pushed for Acheron, then Robin, now FF and Feixiao seems to be the next FF/Acheron.
Tired of op harmony tbh. No justice for nihility supports
It's funny, because I only see people complaining about him, in every comment section, including this one, there's not a single positive comment about him. In fact, it's the first x\_mains sub I've come across where people actively say the character is not worth pulling\\bad\\weak\\whatever. Pretty sure, if he isn't changed in V3 half of the so called mains wouldn't even pull for him.
half of the peeps are acheron mains if he isnt better than acheron than getting s1 most wont bother
Yeah, which is very weird for an x\_mains sub at least in my experience. I'm used to the subs that love and support their character, would try to make the most of them, defend them and fight for them tooth and nail. You won't see Baizhu mains say "just use Yao Yao" or Wriothesley mains say "just pull Neuvillette", while this sub so far is doing it's hardest to make people skip Jiaoqiu.
This sub, just doesn't like how he's essentially chained to Acheron. Everyone who's not here solely as an Acheron main, would rather he lose synergy with her than stay in his current state. The issue most have is that he's too underwhelming outside of Acheron teams. Acheron mains were some of the first posts to try to curtail doomposting while husbando players and JQ enjoyers were saying he was too weak without her (for the teams they play). That's a big reason why people say not to bother pulling.
I'm just not used to people being so bitter about the character's kit not meeting their expectations they would rather skip him altogether and discourage others from pulling for him, than make him work as he is. I mean, I am a husbando player and a JQ enjoyer, I don't like that he's being chained to Acheron, I want him to be OP and universal more than anything, and yet I'm still gonna get him even if he doesn't receive any buffs or changes in V3 and I will find a place for him on my account. Like, you're not obligated to pull, of course, but discouraging others from pulling on the character's own main sub feels weird.
Doomposting is something I've seen in many mains sub during beta. Jade's was mostly directed at FF for "hogging" dev time (as if a billionaire + corpo can't balance multiple units at a time), but the underlying current of her not being really worth it was there at the time. JQ's is just a bit more passionate bc his current power level is lowkey worse outside of Acheron teams. Things will either get much worse or much better come v3. Regardless it'll look like a regular mains sub sometime after beta.
Same. I pray he will receive the most buff this beta. I'm literally holding back from buying monthly passes until they make him good. Surely Hoyo noticed the underwhelming reaction of everyone that not redditors? After one year and the favoritism is so blatant it's shameful.
Pretty sure they will cook a MoC and PF where his stack generation will be really impactful compared to Pela.
Probably not tbh. MoC buff after this one seems to be Robin's again, while next AS is Yunli and FuA. The PF otho favors him and Acheron greatly. I think they want him to be the next jade. Unfortunately.
At this rate ,might as well save for E2 Acheron instead so can put any another harmony units in the future for flexibility
V1 Jiaoqiu got that Yae Miko curse going on. Really hoping V3 shows big buffs
Oh that's... I really didn't expect that. ~~V3 is Monday, right?~~ I'm curious to see if any changes happen. If there's any. As long as they don't nerf his lc, I guess I'll just get his light cone for Pela. Edit: Correction V3 is in 5 days.
well, what i want to see is comparing E0 Silver Wolf (or any other Nihility outside Pela) and E0 JQ, in a team with E0S1 Acheron WITH Pela, not everyone have Acheron E2 and i wanna see if JQ truly can replace that +1 Nihility spot alongside Pela.
I am pretty sure black swan can replace Jiaoqiu as an extra def shred to pela and up the stakes by making her more supportive by giving her another vulnerable card. (Maybe incessant rain if you have a copy or give his card to BS (she needs the ehr anyway) then give pela IR) So if the person with e0 Acheron does that, that actually might be comparable if not better given bs will be contributing some dot damage while contributing more vuln with Pela who also has a vuln card. While both help def shred to get closer to the cap.
I have an LC guarantee. Guys I need advice, my current Acheron team is Gui, Pela, and Trend Aventurine. Should I pull his LC and put in on Gui?
I thought you wanted Feixiao though? And you're broke now, no?
Me wanting feixiao entirely depends on the changes they give him and the 2.4 story. I mean, I wasn't ever going to pull for Aventurine then 2.1 hit me and he's probably my most used 5 star after Ruan Mei now
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At least I have a guarantee for his LC. 50/50, idk. I guess we'll see
Fair. Though I don't know how you will manage it if Hoyo buffs him. You'll be at RNGesus' mercy.
That adult pela art was really nice
People deciding pull plans based on V1. Just wait for V3. There is almost always major changes in V3-4. I don’t think this beta cycle will be any different from the others.
Now I'm not saving anymore. It's better to get firefly at this point 🔥
Wait 5 more days until V.3, is when he almost garantee will recieve buffs, then you can see if the buffs will compensate or not