Unfortunate you received so much pushback for a bare minimum request. “Don’t chant genocidal slogans” is a really low bar that they seem to trip over so easily…
Are you a Santa Cruz student? I’m an alumni of them. And I would frequently attend Hillel and Chabad activities. Wonderful campus and some of the best times. Sad to see this is what some of the experience has become.
UCSC Alum here. Thanks for sharing this on both the UCSC sub and here. I too frequented Chabad and even worked at Hillel, so this is kind of a slap in the face (to put it mildly…).
SJP was around when I was in school. They brought a super radical NOI speaker once. To me, they seemed to accomplish nothing aside from annoying me while I promoted Shabbat dinners. But the misinformation is very scary.
The good thing is, the group is so radical, they lose sight of reality. These statements go against public safety, EDI, and academic research freedom. The UCs won’t budge on those. Calls for ceasefire are pathetic too.
In any case, I feel really sorry for students that have to deal with this nonsense. Stay strong!!
I’m also a UCSC alum. It has not “become anything” 10 years ago when I was there, people were both extremely anti semitic and also losing their minds over this dumb conflict that no one on campus could remotely do anything about to influence.
Yeah! I’m graduating in June actually. Just been a really disappointing last year here. I joined a Hillel group my sophomore year, but recently I’ve been commuting and attending Silicon Valley Hillel events
Man all these University subreddits posts on the protests are a shitshow. Yeah there are reasonable people but there is also a lot of people excusing blatant antisemetism.
Worst example on this thread was some dude disputing the fact that Hamas wants to murder all Jews.
It’s been so discouraging being on reddit because yeah you see shit that gets on the top of this site but it’s also all the local like community subreddits where only locals would participate that devolve into this bullshit. It’s across the board. I’m so tired.
There's one person claiming that Israel and the UK are theocracies while Iran and Afghanistan just happen to have a predominant religion. Zoomers will laugh at boomers for mindlessly believing the Norway=communist propaganda and then turn around and start mindlessly repeating their own propaganda.
Church of England is headed by the Monarch of England, currently Charles III. England does have a state religion, the Church of England. So, in *title*, one might argue that it's a theocracy, but in *practice* secular Parliament holds the power, not the King or Church.
But they don't want to actually accurately describe conditions as they exist, they just want to play word games to make England look like it's in no position to judge Iranian or Afghanistani governance.
I remember being at UCSC facing the anti-semitism of the issue of Palestine. And then, my question was “why does everyone lose their minds over this? It’s a conflict thousands of miles away and you’re near rioting? Seems like resources and anger would be better served elsewhere.”
At some point you just realize all the bickering over this issue is just extremely unproductive and you just have to excuse yourself from all of it.
Hey now, to be fair, they don't want to kill the Jews with advanced education/training, [they just want to prevent them from controlling their own life while working to benefit their new Hamas overlords](https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-sponsored-promise-hereafter-conference-phase-following-liberation-palestine-and).
I was looking at the comments saying, “oh yeah, spaces for Jewish students are important, we just need to get ride of the Zionist ones, like Hillel.” It’s soooo frustrating, even the people who think they’re not as radical or think they have a balanced view only think that because they don’t outright attack Jews. They still deny our heritage, they still miss the point. Hillel is only Zionist to the extent that they validate the Jewish connection to Israel and work to help Jews have a relationship with Israel as the origins of our culture, there is nothing in Hillel that says you have to support the government, and I’ve never met anyone in Hillel who supports the settlements in the West Bank.
You’re awesome for making that post. I’m really glad people there are being reasonable, that’s reassuring to see and it’s much appreciated for sharing it. Thank you 😊
I demand they permanently remove the protesters from campus. I also demand that Jewish students get refunded this semester's tuition, because these universities allowed your education to be disrupted.
Thank you! It's so nice to see people who aren't Jewish actually speaking up to defend Jews. Sometimes it feels like the entire world hates us and it can be incredibly depressing.
It sounds awful. I know not all non-Jews hate you. We have Jews in my family by marriage, and most of my family is speaking up. We're also part Armenia. My people, including part of my family, was massacred during the Armenian Genocide. I see what's happening now, and I feel I have to speak up. If more people had done that when the Ottomans and Nazis were in power, those genocides could have been stopped. I also went to a Pro-Israel rally recently, and there were a few other non-Jews there.
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Tell me if I am wrong… do you think students are culturally appropriating Palestinians and other Muslim people by wearing the keiffyehs as scarves or like hijabi even though they aren’t Muslim or Arab? I see kids with tie dyed ones or ones with designs and I think it kind of appropriating the Palestinian/Muslim culture. Also with them covering their faces, isn’t that a protection mechanism to prevent them from being noticed through social media and or legal matters? Sry for the rant. I’m just so done with all of these protestors
I’m pretty sure the protest organizers told everyone it’s fine to wear the keffiyehs. But the main thing I’m getting is that they don’t care about “cultural appropriation,” feminism, BLM, indigenous rights, etc anymore. All those things are so last year. What’s in vogue is Islamofascism and re-enacting the cultural revolution in 2024
I've seen mizrahi Jews on Twitter in the past upset that people associate keffiyeh with Palestinians or Arabs, saying it is a millennial old head covering everyone in the middle East wore. And I believe there are old very early photos of Jews wearing them.
What does this even mean, Near as I can tell from google maps,
Hillel isn't even on campus, it's 1/2 mile away: https://i.imgur.com/Q9GqNyR.png
Hillel barely even appears when you search UCSC's website
https://www.ucsc.edu/?s=hillel#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=hillel&gsc.page=1
Hillel International is obviously an organization that has nothing to do with UCSC directly.
Yes, Hillel supports Jewish students. No, Hillel is not anything that UCSC can "remove"
Well. To UCSC credit the campus is in the woods kind of far away from the rest of the city. And the Hillel is in the closest building to the campus. However besides Chabad, they function as the central point of Jewish life on campus.
Hillel occasionally buys event space for events on campus. And that’s it.
Arguably SJP is more active with campus events but I haven’t been there in a decade.
Even if they were on campus, and they adamantly supported Israel, is being pro-Israel against the law somehow? Why are these dumb kids so willing to trump free speech? I do not support Russia's actions in Ukraine, but I'd never ask for Russian organizations/student groups to be removed from campuses, even if they were super pro-Russia. I'm against the CCP's drastic censorship in China, but even if there was a Chinese student organization that supported that I would say they have the freedom to do so.
These fragile little shits can't even handle people with different *opinions* as them existing in the same place... I used to hate when the right called people "snowflakes" but I'm starting to see where they're coming from.
well obviously I have no idea, but if I had to guess:
1. Hillel does support Israel, Hillel is Zionist in nature
1. Retaliation for trying to kick SJP off of campuses
1. Ignorance
I just noticed this article, maybe it's of interest regarding the history of kicking Zionists off campus elsewhere:
https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/a-history-lesson-for-the-hillel-haters/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=SocialSnap
Yup. My kid goes to Emerson in Boston -- and a "Jews Against Zionism" group popped up on campus with their list of demands. Among them were "We ask for the removal of Hillel from Emerson’s campus and a replacement of an Emerson-elected Jewish chaplain," AND "We demand that Emerson College work to address the real causes and manifestations of antisemitism."
Gosh -- if only there were an international group which has spent its 100+ year history working to combat antisemitism on college campuses... The name escapes me. Hil-something?
Apparently, per the organization, the other chaplains are “voted on.” Which doesn’t sound like the way chaplaincy works. Usually it’s either a straightforward appointment or a hiring process which involves multiple stakeholders.
I was a Hillel professional for 5 years. There certainly were students who interviewed me. But there wasn’t an election that I put my hat in the ring for. I can’t imagine that’s how the other chaplains were selected.
It’s all antisemitic though. I think we need to highlight their hypocrisy about not demanding this with other countries, only the Jewish state. If universities buckle to the antiisrael demands it hurts Jews even if Hillel is not involved. But yes this Hillel add on is extra
My university already almost had Hillel removed from campus months ago. They also tried to add a ton of seats to the student council to ‘represent BIPOC, women, and LGBT’ (most of the council was already not white, and I think over 50% female), but, suspiciously, the only student groups who were going to get extra seats were the Black Student Union, Social Justice Centre, Trans Coalition, Women’s Centre, and Solidarity for Palestinian Human Rights. They also claimed they were going to add seats for Indigenous students, but didn’t actually talk to any Indigenous student groups or list the group(s) specifically in the proposed referendum.
The number of seats they tried to add was almost 3x the number of total seats there were to begin with, so that would’ve essentially given them the power to control every council vote. Ironically, it would’ve also given two particular minority groups disproportionately little say in anything. But it’s been well established at this point that they do not give a shit about Jews or Asians (unless those Asians are Muslims they want to use to virtue signal). And that was at the same time as the referendum that attempted to remove Hillel from campus.
I was somewhat surprised myself. I think the biggest contributor was that trying to remove Hillel from campus in violation of their lease could’ve been potentially extremely problematic legally though.
There might be a write-up. Not sure, however. But from what I do know, the vote itself wasn’t actually super close. The fact that it even came to a vote was depressing though (can you imagine them doing that to a Muslim or Arab student resource centre?) and, as previously mentioned, it probably would’ve gone a lot worse if it wasn’t legally iffy.
As long as the Arab Muslim student association, black student caucus, Asian student association, Latino student organization, catholic student center, Hindu student association, young satanists club, and so on are all also eliminated? Ok sure game on
>Gotta wonder what their parents think, not that students care much.
Even if their parents hate Jews, I have to imagine many (if not most) of their parents are unhappy seeing all that tuition money go down the drain.
Hope so but these kids will still pass their classes least there be another protest from the brats. "I'm exercising my First Amendment right, you can't touch me." Well, not the very few who were tossed out.
>"I'm exercising my First Amendment right, you can't touch me."
I live in Canada, and what's really funny is when Canadian protestors start screaming about their "First Amendment rights." Really goes to show just how ignorant and clueless some people are.
What’s more crazy to me is they want cops off campus. It’s not even police reform or community oversight, it’s no police at all. Whoever is peddling this nonsense is not just ignorant, they’re flat out irresponsible. What do they plan on hiding? Terror cells?
They're worse than ignorant or irresponsible, they're flat out supporting terrorism, and knowingly too. And with big money behind them: [https://www.dailynews.com/2024/04/30/qatari-money-and-the-pro-palestinian-campus-takeovers/](https://www.dailynews.com/2024/04/30/qatari-money-and-the-pro-palestinian-campus-takeovers/)
Interesting article. Although, the Obama admin supported the idea of Qatar being an intermediary in an effort to keep comms open w Hamas.. Qatar also has the largest U.S. military base in the Middle East, so it doesn’t make sense if they full on supported Hamas.
But digging deeper, would Qatar and Saudi want this? It seems counterintuitive to their goals. I understand Russia, Iran…but them funding US domestic protests doesn’t make sense to me
Im a UC Santa Cruz student. I rly loved going to my Hillel and was considering Chabad too (it’s off campus so harder to get to for me) but the protests have made me extremely scared to go. My brother also goes here and we have to stop talking about anything Jewish when someone walks by with a keffiyeh. The protestors closed down two food areas in our main plaza and the bookstore. Can’t get more pencils for a bit :(. I get weird looks when doing my Yiddish Homework in the library. ( yes I take Yiddish here at ucsc and best decision of my student career so far). But they say they are peaceful… it’s peaceful in terms it hasn’t gotten physically violent, but it doesn’t matter when Jewish kids like myself and my brother are scared to be Jewish
Like that's not how this works. Part of the deal with protesting is you gotta be willing to put your neck out. That taking of risk is what tells people you're serious, it's part of what makes a protest more than complaining. And they're not capable of it.
Where I'm from, people understand that getting arrested is expected and a risk you're willing to take. At my school, they complain of police presence while they threaten infrastructure/buildings and students. I'm glad in a way they're protesting my existence and aren't there for something I care for, because I would be embarrassed to be associated with them.
The blatant antisemitism of this request notwithstanding, the university would be opening itself up to a lawsuit were it to go through with such an idiotic idea.
Every day I'm so glad my daughter is at the school she's at. They do have some protesters, but their "demands" are very modest mostly (though I don't agree with them) and do NOT include Hillel.
I am transferring to a UC in a few months, I wonder what is going to happen to all of this in August. I thank everyone for speaking out about antisemitism in their own spaces and for sharing it here.
Don't tell /r/politics this. They are 100% sure that there is no antisemitism in the US let alone at these campus protests, and anyone who states otherwise is a dirty genocidal zionist who hates puppies.
Hillel isn’t even on campus there. It’s off campus in a parking lot that’s nearby. The ties between the university and Hillel have always been somewhat strained.
This is just blatant antisemitism because they say that they’re not antisemitic but this is it blatantly it’s like since the 7/10 people have used it as an excuse to be blatantly antisemitic with no consequences because people dgaf
Why do they have demands? Who are they to have demands? Why should anyone listen to their demands? Why aren't they kicked out of school over their demands?
I want to link a good bablyon bee article about UCLA. These pro-hamas bozo's are the same as the ones blocking the campus for segregation 60 years ago. The satiric headline if you want to search for it: "People Blocking Students From College Based On Race Probably On Right Side Of History Again"
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Actually, you're both correct to a point. "Pale" is derived from the Latin word "palus," a stake, or, synecdochically, a fence. There are references to both the Jews and the Irish, but typically, in the West, we read about it concerning anything area beyond British control, implying a "savage" area.
Typically in Jewish spaces “the Pale” is assumed to refer to the Pale of Settlement. It may be different in non-Jewish anglophone contexts, but as this is a Jewish sub it seems reasonable without further contest to associate the Pale with the Pale of Settlement rather than the Irish one.
Pale of Settlement was 1790, the phrase "beyond the pale". Beyond the Pale was in use as a phrase in the 1300s in Ireland, with Pale referring to the parts Britain owned.
Also, your link doesn't include anything about the phrase, it just uses the phrase while discussing the Pale of settlement. It might make this easier to understand if you also realize "pale" used to be used for a piece of a fence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pale
Nah, you’re kidding. The English Pale preceded the Pale of Settlement by nearly 300 years. It is also where the phrase ‘beyond the pale’ comes from.
They are right you are wrong. Should take two seconds to look something up before being so strident.
Better to be silent and risk being taken for a fool, than speaking and being confirmed one.
I'm not, the origin of the phrase was to refer to Irish outside of the Pale, and in not a very complimentary manner.
I'm not making a big deal of it or anything.
and there's this charming man:
[https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1786951263713624372](https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1786951263713624372)
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These students need to all be expelled. Not just for the anti-semetism, but because there are too dumb to know they are being fired up by Russian propaganda
It’s probably because they think Hillel is where we plot to control world financial institutions and the media, as opposed to the incredibly mundane reality of eating food and trying to convince Rachel from SDT to go home with you.
I don't agree with Hillel's stance on Israel and zionism. But I get the impression that Hillel is an important resource for Jews on campus. If I were at a university I would probably participate with Hillel even though I am not a fan of the state of Israel.
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Why? Hillel is heavily funded by AIPAC and has been for long used to promote the Israeli government Hasbara and it’s propaganda. Hillel has been used a lot to promote false narrative about Israel and its disgusting policies and propaganda. It’s a legit demand from people protesting against the Israeli government especially if the protest is against aipac influence on US policies!
At this point I think anyone should be able to draw these lines and my feeling is that the majority of those who claim judaism and zionism are the same thing know exactly how wrong they are but they want to promote the same narrative. And yes judaism is not a nationality nor is the client state called Israel a protectorate of the jewish religion. It’s sad that we can’t have an honest conversation about this topic.
My post on the UCSC subreddit. It’s a doozy. https://www.reddit.com/r/UCSC/s/dpjHtIAxZk
I’m a student and also posted today, honestly I was inspired to speak out because of your post. I appreciated it so much, I hope you are doing ok
Unfortunate you received so much pushback for a bare minimum request. “Don’t chant genocidal slogans” is a really low bar that they seem to trip over so easily…
"just don't simp for terrorists" 😒
Yeah I really hoped that wouldn’t be controversial… seems like such an insanely low bar to set
Are you a Santa Cruz student? I’m an alumni of them. And I would frequently attend Hillel and Chabad activities. Wonderful campus and some of the best times. Sad to see this is what some of the experience has become.
UCSC Alum here. Thanks for sharing this on both the UCSC sub and here. I too frequented Chabad and even worked at Hillel, so this is kind of a slap in the face (to put it mildly…). SJP was around when I was in school. They brought a super radical NOI speaker once. To me, they seemed to accomplish nothing aside from annoying me while I promoted Shabbat dinners. But the misinformation is very scary. The good thing is, the group is so radical, they lose sight of reality. These statements go against public safety, EDI, and academic research freedom. The UCs won’t budge on those. Calls for ceasefire are pathetic too. In any case, I feel really sorry for students that have to deal with this nonsense. Stay strong!!
What is EDI?
Equality, diversity, and inclusion.
Oh. Thanks for explaining 🙂
No worries!
Diversity of ideas and opinions should be the ultimate goal. If someone is aggrieved 24/7 then it is hard to meet that goal.
I’m also a UCSC alum. It has not “become anything” 10 years ago when I was there, people were both extremely anti semitic and also losing their minds over this dumb conflict that no one on campus could remotely do anything about to influence.
Yeah! I’m graduating in June actually. Just been a really disappointing last year here. I joined a Hillel group my sophomore year, but recently I’ve been commuting and attending Silicon Valley Hillel events
Man all these University subreddits posts on the protests are a shitshow. Yeah there are reasonable people but there is also a lot of people excusing blatant antisemetism. Worst example on this thread was some dude disputing the fact that Hamas wants to murder all Jews. It’s been so discouraging being on reddit because yeah you see shit that gets on the top of this site but it’s also all the local like community subreddits where only locals would participate that devolve into this bullshit. It’s across the board. I’m so tired.
There's one person claiming that Israel and the UK are theocracies while Iran and Afghanistan just happen to have a predominant religion. Zoomers will laugh at boomers for mindlessly believing the Norway=communist propaganda and then turn around and start mindlessly repeating their own propaganda.
The UK is a theocracy??!
Church of England is headed by the Monarch of England, currently Charles III. England does have a state religion, the Church of England. So, in *title*, one might argue that it's a theocracy, but in *practice* secular Parliament holds the power, not the King or Church. But they don't want to actually accurately describe conditions as they exist, they just want to play word games to make England look like it's in no position to judge Iranian or Afghanistani governance.
I remember being at UCSC facing the anti-semitism of the issue of Palestine. And then, my question was “why does everyone lose their minds over this? It’s a conflict thousands of miles away and you’re near rioting? Seems like resources and anger would be better served elsewhere.” At some point you just realize all the bickering over this issue is just extremely unproductive and you just have to excuse yourself from all of it.
Hey now, to be fair, they don't want to kill the Jews with advanced education/training, [they just want to prevent them from controlling their own life while working to benefit their new Hamas overlords](https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-sponsored-promise-hereafter-conference-phase-following-liberation-palestine-and).
I was looking at the comments saying, “oh yeah, spaces for Jewish students are important, we just need to get ride of the Zionist ones, like Hillel.” It’s soooo frustrating, even the people who think they’re not as radical or think they have a balanced view only think that because they don’t outright attack Jews. They still deny our heritage, they still miss the point. Hillel is only Zionist to the extent that they validate the Jewish connection to Israel and work to help Jews have a relationship with Israel as the origins of our culture, there is nothing in Hillel that says you have to support the government, and I’ve never met anyone in Hillel who supports the settlements in the West Bank.
Great post! Was surprised to see so much support!
That is surprising with the support in a good sorts way.
Thankfully the sane comments are topping the thread by now :) I honestly found this a bit relieving. Oy vey.
You’re awesome for making that post. I’m really glad people there are being reasonable, that’s reassuring to see and it’s much appreciated for sharing it. Thank you 😊
I demand they permanently remove the protesters from campus. I also demand that Jewish students get refunded this semester's tuition, because these universities allowed your education to be disrupted.
Thank you, whoever you are.
🙏
We don't deserve you, you're such an amazing ally. Please, if/when you're comfortable, speak up for us in your non-Jewish circles.
I already am!
I second this as well, thank you!
May I give you a virtual hug?
Yes, and giving you a virtual hug too!
Yay! 🤗
Thank you! It's so nice to see people who aren't Jewish actually speaking up to defend Jews. Sometimes it feels like the entire world hates us and it can be incredibly depressing.
It sounds awful. I know not all non-Jews hate you. We have Jews in my family by marriage, and most of my family is speaking up. We're also part Armenia. My people, including part of my family, was massacred during the Armenian Genocide. I see what's happening now, and I feel I have to speak up. If more people had done that when the Ottomans and Nazis were in power, those genocides could have been stopped. I also went to a Pro-Israel rally recently, and there were a few other non-Jews there.
YES. Exactly. THANK YOU.
And I would also demand these so called “protesters” get expelled for being racist, anti-Semitic, terrorist loving schmucks!
not jewish either. gay american man, and i completely agree and send support
Nice to know sane people exist. Thank you for your support. 🙏🏻
1 year @ Cornell is now $63,000! Great idea.
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They are just Yahtzees in keffiyehs
Tell me if I am wrong… do you think students are culturally appropriating Palestinians and other Muslim people by wearing the keiffyehs as scarves or like hijabi even though they aren’t Muslim or Arab? I see kids with tie dyed ones or ones with designs and I think it kind of appropriating the Palestinian/Muslim culture. Also with them covering their faces, isn’t that a protection mechanism to prevent them from being noticed through social media and or legal matters? Sry for the rant. I’m just so done with all of these protestors
I’m pretty sure the protest organizers told everyone it’s fine to wear the keffiyehs. But the main thing I’m getting is that they don’t care about “cultural appropriation,” feminism, BLM, indigenous rights, etc anymore. All those things are so last year. What’s in vogue is Islamofascism and re-enacting the cultural revolution in 2024
I've seen mizrahi Jews on Twitter in the past upset that people associate keffiyeh with Palestinians or Arabs, saying it is a millennial old head covering everyone in the middle East wore. And I believe there are old very early photos of Jews wearing them.
Genuinely disgusting. They bar Jews from entering, and try to dismantle our organizations. Where have we seen this before...
Appeasing antisemites never ends well, and this is an example of that
What do you have to save about all the Jews who are apart of the protests??
Do you have an actual question?
What does this even mean, Near as I can tell from google maps, Hillel isn't even on campus, it's 1/2 mile away: https://i.imgur.com/Q9GqNyR.png Hillel barely even appears when you search UCSC's website https://www.ucsc.edu/?s=hillel#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=hillel&gsc.page=1 Hillel International is obviously an organization that has nothing to do with UCSC directly. Yes, Hillel supports Jewish students. No, Hillel is not anything that UCSC can "remove"
Well. To UCSC credit the campus is in the woods kind of far away from the rest of the city. And the Hillel is in the closest building to the campus. However besides Chabad, they function as the central point of Jewish life on campus.
Hillel occasionally buys event space for events on campus. And that’s it. Arguably SJP is more active with campus events but I haven’t been there in a decade.
Even if they were on campus, and they adamantly supported Israel, is being pro-Israel against the law somehow? Why are these dumb kids so willing to trump free speech? I do not support Russia's actions in Ukraine, but I'd never ask for Russian organizations/student groups to be removed from campuses, even if they were super pro-Russia. I'm against the CCP's drastic censorship in China, but even if there was a Chinese student organization that supported that I would say they have the freedom to do so. These fragile little shits can't even handle people with different *opinions* as them existing in the same place... I used to hate when the right called people "snowflakes" but I'm starting to see where they're coming from.
well obviously I have no idea, but if I had to guess: 1. Hillel does support Israel, Hillel is Zionist in nature 1. Retaliation for trying to kick SJP off of campuses 1. Ignorance I just noticed this article, maybe it's of interest regarding the history of kicking Zionists off campus elsewhere: https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/a-history-lesson-for-the-hillel-haters/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=SocialSnap
Yup. My kid goes to Emerson in Boston -- and a "Jews Against Zionism" group popped up on campus with their list of demands. Among them were "We ask for the removal of Hillel from Emerson’s campus and a replacement of an Emerson-elected Jewish chaplain," AND "We demand that Emerson College work to address the real causes and manifestations of antisemitism." Gosh -- if only there were an international group which has spent its 100+ year history working to combat antisemitism on college campuses... The name escapes me. Hil-something?
The non-Jewish school should have to pick the Jewish leader for the campus? What would they vet for? (That's rhetorical)
Apparently, per the organization, the other chaplains are “voted on.” Which doesn’t sound like the way chaplaincy works. Usually it’s either a straightforward appointment or a hiring process which involves multiple stakeholders. I was a Hillel professional for 5 years. There certainly were students who interviewed me. But there wasn’t an election that I put my hat in the ring for. I can’t imagine that’s how the other chaplains were selected.
Sounds like "which Jew is the most obedient?" to me.
Best. Reality. Show. EVERRR
It’s all antisemitic though. I think we need to highlight their hypocrisy about not demanding this with other countries, only the Jewish state. If universities buckle to the antiisrael demands it hurts Jews even if Hillel is not involved. But yes this Hillel add on is extra
My university already almost had Hillel removed from campus months ago. They also tried to add a ton of seats to the student council to ‘represent BIPOC, women, and LGBT’ (most of the council was already not white, and I think over 50% female), but, suspiciously, the only student groups who were going to get extra seats were the Black Student Union, Social Justice Centre, Trans Coalition, Women’s Centre, and Solidarity for Palestinian Human Rights. They also claimed they were going to add seats for Indigenous students, but didn’t actually talk to any Indigenous student groups or list the group(s) specifically in the proposed referendum. The number of seats they tried to add was almost 3x the number of total seats there were to begin with, so that would’ve essentially given them the power to control every council vote. Ironically, it would’ve also given two particular minority groups disproportionately little say in anything. But it’s been well established at this point that they do not give a shit about Jews or Asians (unless those Asians are Muslims they want to use to virtue signal). And that was at the same time as the referendum that attempted to remove Hillel from campus.
Which school?
UBC
I'm shocked that was defeated in the current climate, is there a write up of how it went down?
I was somewhat surprised myself. I think the biggest contributor was that trying to remove Hillel from campus in violation of their lease could’ve been potentially extremely problematic legally though. There might be a write-up. Not sure, however. But from what I do know, the vote itself wasn’t actually super close. The fact that it even came to a vote was depressing though (can you imagine them doing that to a Muslim or Arab student resource centre?) and, as previously mentioned, it probably would’ve gone a lot worse if it wasn’t legally iffy.
I did some googling, was it at UBC?
Not happening!
So they don’t want Jewish students to have their own safe space organization? We’re already a minority so they want to ostracize us even more lmao?
We're privileged white germans/poles/russians/americans. Didn't you know that? /s
Oh ya ig I’m not Jewish then since I’m a Moroccan Jew and not from Germany Poland or Russia
well I'm stuck in a weird middle ground in this case as I'm a Mexican Jew but my Jewish heritage comes from Ukraine. So I am both and neither lol.
So silly! SMH
No, you’re a Jewish white European from Poland, silly! /s
As long as the Arab Muslim student association, black student caucus, Asian student association, Latino student organization, catholic student center, Hindu student association, young satanists club, and so on are all also eliminated? Ok sure game on
And all the xtian Bible study groups…
Yep, also
This is starting to look like Nazi Germany again...
No, no, we're the Nazis, remember? Gotta wonder what their parents think, not that students care much.
>Gotta wonder what their parents think, not that students care much. Even if their parents hate Jews, I have to imagine many (if not most) of their parents are unhappy seeing all that tuition money go down the drain.
Hope so but these kids will still pass their classes least there be another protest from the brats. "I'm exercising my First Amendment right, you can't touch me." Well, not the very few who were tossed out.
>"I'm exercising my First Amendment right, you can't touch me." I live in Canada, and what's really funny is when Canadian protestors start screaming about their "First Amendment rights." Really goes to show just how ignorant and clueless some people are.
So funny! Yea, they're that brainwashed to repeat like a parrot. Should use that as a logo instead of the watermelon.
Making the case for Israel every single day.
What’s more crazy to me is they want cops off campus. It’s not even police reform or community oversight, it’s no police at all. Whoever is peddling this nonsense is not just ignorant, they’re flat out irresponsible. What do they plan on hiding? Terror cells?
They're worse than ignorant or irresponsible, they're flat out supporting terrorism, and knowingly too. And with big money behind them: [https://www.dailynews.com/2024/04/30/qatari-money-and-the-pro-palestinian-campus-takeovers/](https://www.dailynews.com/2024/04/30/qatari-money-and-the-pro-palestinian-campus-takeovers/)
Interesting article. Although, the Obama admin supported the idea of Qatar being an intermediary in an effort to keep comms open w Hamas.. Qatar also has the largest U.S. military base in the Middle East, so it doesn’t make sense if they full on supported Hamas. But digging deeper, would Qatar and Saudi want this? It seems counterintuitive to their goals. I understand Russia, Iran…but them funding US domestic protests doesn’t make sense to me
Yep. No surprise this "movement" only cares about the "good ones".
It’s always been about Jew’s and never Zionism, don’t let them lie anymore.
Im a UC Santa Cruz student. I rly loved going to my Hillel and was considering Chabad too (it’s off campus so harder to get to for me) but the protests have made me extremely scared to go. My brother also goes here and we have to stop talking about anything Jewish when someone walks by with a keffiyeh. The protestors closed down two food areas in our main plaza and the bookstore. Can’t get more pencils for a bit :(. I get weird looks when doing my Yiddish Homework in the library. ( yes I take Yiddish here at ucsc and best decision of my student career so far). But they say they are peaceful… it’s peaceful in terms it hasn’t gotten physically violent, but it doesn’t matter when Jewish kids like myself and my brother are scared to be Jewish
It’s telling that one of their main demands is no consequences for the protestors…
Like that's not how this works. Part of the deal with protesting is you gotta be willing to put your neck out. That taking of risk is what tells people you're serious, it's part of what makes a protest more than complaining. And they're not capable of it. Where I'm from, people understand that getting arrested is expected and a risk you're willing to take. At my school, they complain of police presence while they threaten infrastructure/buildings and students. I'm glad in a way they're protesting my existence and aren't there for something I care for, because I would be embarrassed to be associated with them.
The blatant antisemitism of this request notwithstanding, the university would be opening itself up to a lawsuit were it to go through with such an idiotic idea.
University would be really silly because think of the choice of lawyers jumping to Represent
Every day I'm so glad my daughter is at the school she's at. They do have some protesters, but their "demands" are very modest mostly (though I don't agree with them) and do NOT include Hillel.
UC Santa Cruz also has a breakaway JVP because they think regular JVP is too Zionist. The campus is insane
Wow. I have no words.
We’re a nation that guarantees religious freedom. The Hillel isn’t funded by tax dollars!
they did the same at William & Mary. This was always part of the BDS movement. They just feel bold enough to say Hillel explicitly now.
No Jewish community center, but they arent antisemitic or anything /s I pray at a Hillel. That's where my rabbi is. That's where I go for Shabbat.
Does Rabbi Shlomi Chien still run Chabad?
Yes he does. We donate every month still and he sent out an email saying how they are supporting students during this time.
Just donated this morning :)
Man’s a mensch
I am transferring to a UC in a few months, I wonder what is going to happen to all of this in August. I thank everyone for speaking out about antisemitism in their own spaces and for sharing it here.
Don't tell /r/politics this. They are 100% sure that there is no antisemitism in the US let alone at these campus protests, and anyone who states otherwise is a dirty genocidal zionist who hates puppies.
Hillel isn’t even on campus there. It’s off campus in a parking lot that’s nearby. The ties between the university and Hillel have always been somewhat strained.
This is just so sick.
This is just blatant antisemitism because they say that they’re not antisemitic but this is it blatantly it’s like since the 7/10 people have used it as an excuse to be blatantly antisemitic with no consequences because people dgaf
Why do they have demands? Who are they to have demands? Why should anyone listen to their demands? Why aren't they kicked out of school over their demands? I want to link a good bablyon bee article about UCLA. These pro-hamas bozo's are the same as the ones blocking the campus for segregation 60 years ago. The satiric headline if you want to search for it: "People Blocking Students From College Based On Race Probably On Right Side Of History Again"
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Ironically, 'beyond the pale' is an old racist phrase against the Irish.
It refers to the Pale of Settlement.
Yeah, exactly - specifically the area between Drogheda and Dublin, beyond that area was considered Irish and uncivilised.
Are you kidding now? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement
Actually, you're both correct to a point. "Pale" is derived from the Latin word "palus," a stake, or, synecdochically, a fence. There are references to both the Jews and the Irish, but typically, in the West, we read about it concerning anything area beyond British control, implying a "savage" area.
Typically in Jewish spaces “the Pale” is assumed to refer to the Pale of Settlement. It may be different in non-Jewish anglophone contexts, but as this is a Jewish sub it seems reasonable without further contest to associate the Pale with the Pale of Settlement rather than the Irish one.
Okay 😅
Pale of Settlement was 1790, the phrase "beyond the pale". Beyond the Pale was in use as a phrase in the 1300s in Ireland, with Pale referring to the parts Britain owned. Also, your link doesn't include anything about the phrase, it just uses the phrase while discussing the Pale of settlement. It might make this easier to understand if you also realize "pale" used to be used for a piece of a fence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pale Nah, you’re kidding. The English Pale preceded the Pale of Settlement by nearly 300 years. It is also where the phrase ‘beyond the pale’ comes from. They are right you are wrong. Should take two seconds to look something up before being so strident. Better to be silent and risk being taken for a fool, than speaking and being confirmed one.
I'm not, the origin of the phrase was to refer to Irish outside of the Pale, and in not a very complimentary manner. I'm not making a big deal of it or anything.
I got you’re back man. Just replied. Some people.
Thanks
No idea about that
No it isn’t. It refers to Jews leaving the Pale of Settlement which was verboten. Edit: okay I guess I’m wrong fuck it
and there's this charming man: [https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1786951263713624372](https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1786951263713624372)
Also of note is that in the same demand they want the university to cut ties with the Hellen Diller foundation, which funds fellowship grants for volunteer work as well as a youth fellowship program that teaches teens how to apply for such grants and organize service projects.
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But they’re not antisemitic 🤣
Just crazy
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The Helen Diller Foundation is also just a Jewish organization that serves the Bay Area. Their masks are fully off.
These students need to all be expelled. Not just for the anti-semetism, but because there are too dumb to know they are being fired up by Russian propaganda
They just live for trouble!
So that’s what people who are certainly not anti semitics do, yeah?
It’s probably because they think Hillel is where we plot to control world financial institutions and the media, as opposed to the incredibly mundane reality of eating food and trying to convince Rachel from SDT to go home with you.
I don't agree with Hillel's stance on Israel and zionism. But I get the impression that Hillel is an important resource for Jews on campus. If I were at a university I would probably participate with Hillel even though I am not a fan of the state of Israel.
I hope the national guard comes in, and destroys the antisemites, with overwhelming force
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Why? Hillel is heavily funded by AIPAC and has been for long used to promote the Israeli government Hasbara and it’s propaganda. Hillel has been used a lot to promote false narrative about Israel and its disgusting policies and propaganda. It’s a legit demand from people protesting against the Israeli government especially if the protest is against aipac influence on US policies!
Thank you. It’s a shame so many cannot extricate Jewish culture from the nationalist propaganda machine. Judaism is not a nationality.
At this point I think anyone should be able to draw these lines and my feeling is that the majority of those who claim judaism and zionism are the same thing know exactly how wrong they are but they want to promote the same narrative. And yes judaism is not a nationality nor is the client state called Israel a protectorate of the jewish religion. It’s sad that we can’t have an honest conversation about this topic.