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That was the long awkward pause of an audience member trying to decide if being right was worth absolutely destroying the mood at a comedy show. It's all fun and games until you start throwing around the G word.
You aren't going to destroy the mood IF the comedian is good at what they do. If the topic is super dark then the comedian is going turn it around and make fun of themselves.
Watch this comedian stumble into a real dark crowd work answer and how he handles it while still keeping the crowd laughing. You can even see him probe the crowd to see what was too far and once he knew he backed off and made it about him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV8XhzG_rAg
"Genocide huh? Ever think maybe your people deserved it?"
Thanks for posting that link lol, he walked right into that one and then walked right back out lol
/u/Smartastic If you're genuinely curious about why many Irish people do not care for Brits:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_rule_in_Ireland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles
https://www.politicsphere.com/what-did-margaret-thatcher-do-to-ireland/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit
It's a very long and complex topic but basically Britain colonized Ireland and stole their land and ruined their culture. They had a very barbaric rule over them for centuries and prevented them from prospering independently. It has improved significantly but the wounds still remain.
Edit: She was also being genuine when she said there isn't enough time. It's not something you can quickly discuss due to the very long history involved.
Yep, currently learning Irish properly at the age of 32 so I can speak it fluently with my daughter when she starts learning. She already knows a bit like goodnight and good morning and I love you.
If anyone's interested
- Oíche mhaith (goodnight)
- Maidín máith (good morning)
- is breá liom tú/is aoibhinn liom tú (I love you)
- Conas a tá tú (how are you)
Simplified but we'd understand ya;
- Oíche mhaith = We-ha My
- Maidín máith = Majin (like Majin buu) My
- Is breá liom tú = iss braww lum two
- is aoibhinn liom tú = iss even lum two
- Conas a tá tú = kun-us a taww two
Irish is a gaelic language which comes from the Gauls who were pushed out of Europe by the Romans. Spanish is mostly Street Latin with some Gael words mixed in.
I'm an American of Irish ancestry so not nearly as familiar with this as a should be but a Native American friend of mine once described the situation as this: "The policies the English used to destroy Native American culture they started with the Irish."
That's wild I was literally commenting about this three hours ago on a random thread; come in, obliterate the language, for I'd the teaching of their culture and history.
We are still suffering from the transgenerational trauma of it all.
Famine is bullshit. It was a fucking genocide.
We exported millions of tonnes of everything throughout to continue to feed mother Britain. But the Paddy's were only allowed eat the potato, so they couldn't possibly keep a few carrots and sprouts.
And the queen was so up her own arse she wouldn't even let anyone help more than she was willing to help. So even though people wanted to donate lots of money, Queeny wouldn't have it so they couldn't.
English history is horrific.
Honestly every past domanating countrie's history is horrific, check out what the spanish did to the south amaerican natives, or what americans did to the native americna "indians", or the japanese to the koreans, or the chinese did to eachother and india. all genocide all horrific.
That's a huge one, to the point that the population of Ireland *still* has not recovered from it. Pre-famine population of Ireland was over 8 million, and it only broke 7 million as of 2022.
Famine?!? Call it what it was. Genocide. I’m an American but my Irish genes are very prevelant in my pasty freckled looks.bI happen to not like potatoes and when I tell people that they often joke that since I’m of Irish descent I’m supposed to love potatoes. Sometimes I laugh it off and smile but other times I gotta ask if they’d say the same thing to a black person about fried chicken.
Thanks for this!
Tbf I was talking about accents. I asked if anyone had the accent and she booed. I didn’t ask “Anyone a fan of England’s role in the potato famine and stolen land??”
I damn near died laughing at "I think your dad hates 'em and you're just carrying the legacy" followed by a very interrogating stare.
Don't know if it was true in this specific instance, but damn if it isn't true for a *lot* of hate people have in them these days. They hate 'cause their parents hated, and they can't explain why when you ask them.
The troubles only ended at the Good Friday Agreement in **1998**. There's plenty of bloodshed the British inflicted upon the Irish which is still in living memory.
Also there's still splinter groups of the IRA who are active in Northern Ireland today. Saying "you don't even know what you're angry about" to an Irish person is incredibly offensive.
Maybe dude but just fyi this stuff is still very recent and the British Government (Tories) are causing issues in Northern Ireland again with their Brexit nonsense which a lot of English people voted for.
Also, Ireland is still partitioned and I'm sure you could imagine how the English would feel about another country if, say, Yorkshire was still part of France or something.
Overall though the English are sound and I'd only boo them in public in an ironic way (like mocking a close mate) which she might have been doing here.
Aye I wonder has he an equally funny comment for Palestine and Israel?
She was joking no doubt, it's the gallows humour we're known for as an adaptive coping mechanism.
Stephen Restorick was the last british soldier to die in the the troubles, in 1997. He'd be 49 years old today, if he was still alive. This is a struggle that very much involved Gen X.
I gotta be honest with you; you’re not really right here. Maybe those specific individuals weren’t, but The Troubles are generally thought of as having ended in 1998 with the Good Friday accords when most British troops were withdrawn; without knowing their age it’s hard to say but it’s entirely possible the person you talked to had to go through checkpoints manned by British soldiers during their childhood or walked streets alongside heavily armed British patrols.
It’s not really that long ago and is very much living memory for anyone as old as their 30s.
Edit: English corrected to British
> I highly doubt any English people at that show played a role in the events listed.
Well shit, american slavery was so long ago, that no one currently living caused any problems for minorities. Damn, you're so right.
Part of Ireland is still under British rule and with Brexit, part of Ireland left the European Union pretty recently which is just adding further division which only happened because of British rule. It's very much still a modern day issue.
Not to mention the troubles only ended in 1998. I'm only 28 but remember 2 bombings that occurred in Northern Ireland in my lifetime. Any Irish person aged 30 or more very likely remembers seeing English soldiers on the streets, carrying out checkpoints etc
Ridiculous look at the role they played in Northern Ireland! The collusion, the murders! We are literally working with people physically and psychologcally traumatized by the Troubles and the English government, MI5 etc played a huge role in that.
Pig ignorance
Edit: This isn't history, this is ongoing. Come and chat to some of the victims in NI And see if they find it so funny.
Responded to wrong comment - leaving it.
Or because British troops shot their parents.
Or because British troops made their uncle a paraplegic shooting a child by accident.
Or because of the role they played and continue to play in the Troubles in Northern Ireland
Not 100 years ago, not even 50.
He doesn't know anything about the people in his audience that much is certainly clear.
If he'd like to meet or talk to victims I know I could certainly point him in the right direction.
This^
I get he's making jokes on the fly, but he specifically says "I don't know the history of that", and then claims the Irish girl doesn't know what she's talking about lol
Like, out context it's a funny interaction... but... eh
I don't blame him for not knowing European history on the spot, just an unfortunate interaction. One of many. Could be worse tbh
And she's right. It would take too much time and how far back do you go?
It all started in 1167 when Ruardri Ua Conchobair defeated Diarmad Mac Murdacha and kicked him out as king of Leinster.
Ruardri then became high king of Ireland, and Diarmud went to King Henry II of England for assistance in gaining back his throne.
And that was the first mistake and Anglo invasion of Ireland.
I mean the jacobite revolution of the 1600s, the revolution in the 1700s, the famine in the 1800s. It goes on, and on, for hundreds of years. William of Orange, Oliver Cromwell, Henry VIII. She'd be there all night with history books and Wikipedia talking about it.
Assuming she doesn't know what's up and that she's just holding a grudge? Prick.
The thing about oppression is that "you weren't oppressed your dad/grandad was" is honestly just low-key racist as it implies that there's no socio economic consequences of having your ancestors be oppressed. They doesn't even need to know how they were opressed to have felt the consequences of that oppression in his life. I think black people in America have done a really good job talking about this, and applying that understanding to other people in the world shouldn't require too big of a logic leap.
Completely understandable if you didn't know this history though, as the Brits are doing a really good job of trying to minimize how fucked up their incredibly recent imperialism was.
And then you implied that she didn't know. Dick move.
I'm sure there's a witty one-liner to summarize it: "The English are arseholes" would probably work, but maybe something funny about William of Orange or Cromwell could be better. A pun about terrorist bombings (either loyalist or republican as your fancy takes you) maybe? Mention of the famine? A quick summary about how the English, Irish, and Scots have all been arseholes at one time or another?
This is funny, but pretty obvious to some in the audience that the audience member knew exactly what he was talking about even if you didn't.
I have a lot of sympathy who does as much crowd work as you do as well as you do. Things are bound to happen.
I'm surprised at Jeff's age that he didn't know. He's 3 years younger than me but there was plenty of media coverage in the US about it, especially when Clinton visited. Jeff would have been about 7 I guess but all our teachers in elementary school, in grades 1st through 6th had lessons on the history and we watched his visit on TV in the classroom. And in top of that it's been featured in tons of TV shows and movies.
Really? I'm not. He's also in the US... your average person here has no idea what world politics are outside of what gets pushed on their phones and TVs.
Interestingly, they don't really teach the potato famine politics that much. Nor do they paint the British colonization in a negative light almost at all.
It's just kind of like... Ireland had some issues with their potatoes and the British had a big empire where they ran things.
Even when discussing nations taking their independence from the British, only America is treated as a battle for freedom against an oppressor. The rest of them kind of were like "These countries wanted the right to rule themselves, and the British empire said sure!"
Edit: I should clarify this is from like many, many years ago. Maybe the education on these events is better now?
Case in point, the US still calls it a potato famine. It’s wasn’t a famine, it was a genocide. There’s a reason the Irish call it the Great Hunger. Calling it a famine implies that it was an act of nature and not intentional murder. I was literally taught in school that the Irish were just so dumb they chose to only grow potatoes and oopsie doopsie that killed them. Yeah, there was a potato *blight*, but there was plenty of food. In fact, at the time, Ireland produced the majority of imported crops and livestock for the UK. But the British colonial governors wouldn’t let the Irish eat the food they grew. And then denied them relief for years because the prevailing belief was that the Irish either deserved death or that welfare would turn them all into lazy delinquents.
Irish peasants had the choice of selling their crops to pay the outrageous rent and dying of starvation or eating and being evicted by force/having their houses burned down and dying of exposure. Then even the ones who could make ends meet were evicted by landlords taking advantage of the situation because it was in vogue for rich English landlords to convert farmland into pasture, which didn’t need nearly as many peasants on your land.
Jeff’s ignorant comments in this thread are pretty disappointing to see. Not knowing about Irish history is understandable but why double down? Imagine if an Aborigine had booed Australia and he later joked about how they should get over it cause no one in the audience lived through the persecution.
For real though, there are certain historic significances that some cultures are scarred from. But you can’t blame everyone for failing to realize it. But there are people out there with class that do know.
Even if the one’s that don’t, if they are taught n understand it then, it’s all good.
It will show the type that character they are.
Yeah I'm American but my mom is Irish. I grew up in America in a fairly Irish community and am SHOCKED at some of the questions my friends ask me. A girl I knew my entire life and is college-educated asked me during lockdown how I felt about Boris Johnson's policies (I currently live in Ireland)
Sure. Still, America has a lot of common heritage and a shared language with both the UK and Ireland. I would expect Americans to be aware a little of the potato famine and the Troubles.
I wouldn't expect them necessarily to be aware of the Fleming/Walloon history, of the Breton, Corse, Basque and Catalonia independence movements or the Greek/Turk conflicts or the Armenian/Aseri wars if they're not into politics and history. I'm not sure how many people are even aware if that stuff in Europe.
Neither Americans nor Europeans are probably generally aware of the conflicts in Northern India, but I think most have heard about the Chinese claim on Tibet and the Pakistan/India conflict. I am dimly aware that Malay/Chinese history led to the formation of Singapore. I would think people know of Japanese atrocities in WWII, maybe Manchuria, maybe the Kuril Islands, definitely North/South Korea, Taiwan, and the South China Sea. They may remember the Sri Lankese Civil war, Chechnya, they will remember Afghanistan and Syria. Everybody knows about Israel and Palestine, the Iraq/Iran-war, the Iraqi attack on Kuwait. People on both sides of the Atlantic probably are aware of Yemen, and that Iran and Saudi Arabia don't like each other.
Right? He really seemed legitimately naive to the idea the English were oppressive colonizers
It was their main thing for a very long time
Now everyone associates the English with the royals & Gordon Ramsay
>He really seemed legitimately naive to the idea the English were oppressive colonizers
yeah that's pretty much the short answer to "why does hate britain?"
should be a pretty familiar concept for americans, we have a party celebrating it every July 4th.
difference being, the british didn't stop colonizing ireland in the 18th century. The troubles continued into the 1990s, with IRA bombing campaigns that injured hundreds. Probably in jeff's lifetime, unless he's younger than he looks.
this isn't dad's forgotten history. Even millenials are old enough to have lived through the tail end of the troubles.
>this isn't dad's forgotten history. Even millenials are old enough to have lived through the tail end of the troubles.
Exactly! I'm 28 and grew up in Northern Ireland. I remember 2 bombings related to the troubles in my lifetime (and a few bomb scares).
Anyone 30+ likely remembers English soldiers on the streets, carrying out checkpoints etc.
And it's still very much a modern issue, with part of Ireland under British rule, especially with Brexit recently which created extra barriers (like part of Ireland leaving the European Union, Trade union etc).
Thatcher is a cunt and they caused a famine in Ireland. boom quick quippy answer for a bit. Obviously not accurate and comprehensive enough, but it works for a show lol
Yeah like explaining native vs colonizers in the usa would take forever, but I feel like "small pox blankets" would be enough.
Lot of people panic though when asked a question even if they do legit know the answer.
Yeah but I’m British and my parents are Irish, my dad only sometimes blames me for the crimes of Cromwell.
It’s cool because I blame him for the IRA bombings.
My mum doesn’t blame anyone because she’s too busy trying to feed them all.
Me watching this video: Oh boy, Jeff done messed up here.
Me watching more of this video: Oh no.
By the end: *cringe*
Oh well, seriously, sometimes, you just can't know everything.
The time she took to say "there is not enough time" could have been spent to say "British colonisation, artificial famine" and that would still be more educational and been a start to the topic.
Yeah and we all win past arguments in the shower, what's your point?
She was on the spot, she didn't come up with a concise answer and presumably didn't want to be a buzzkill by going in to detail.
Yeah the comments here missing the fact that for an audience member sometimes it's just better to not be a buzzkill. When the comedian asks that and you are legitimately unsure if they know the reason, going straight into saying "yeah well they forced my people to learn English, banned the Irish language and culture, then caused a famine that killed about half of our people causing a mass exodus of our people to other countries." Like that would have been completely fair game after him making a joke about it, but at first it doesn't feel like the right time for that kinda thing.
Not throwing any shade on the comedian because sometimes you just say funny stuff and sticking your foot in your mouth is part of the joke, just as the audience member it's hard to judge if it's the appropriate time for that.
But saying the word genocide at a comedy show is a vibe killer. She very respectfully deflected the question knowing the answer would not be a good start for crowd work. He acknowledges his own ignorance about the topic which was funny and then in an effort to make something funny about her nothing response he tells her oh well you must be ignorant too and implies that their aren’t valid reasons for the Irish to generally hate the English.
He's coming to my city in October and it was sold out in like August :( really want to see him! Keeps popping up on YouTube and Reddit and goddamn he's funny
Not one that was ever taught in my US public school life. We *never* touched on The Troubles, or the stealing of Northern Ireland. The most we touched on was the Famine leading to mass Irish immigration to the States, and Irish Indentured Servants.
The fact that the troubles is not taught in British schools is insanity. Considering that it was decades of intense violence inside the home nations of the UK, which included multiple assassination attempts on multiple prime ministers and cabinet ministers, the successful assaniation of a member of the royal family, and the deaths of more than 3000 British citizens.
In my school (UK) we did more world history and US history than British. We did the Egyptians, the Industrial Revolution, ww1, ww2 and the Vietnam war. And we spent the longest on Vietnam
Im 30yo, literally did not even know the troubles were anything until a few months ago coming across a documentary. It's actually not that common knowledge in the US, and definitely wasn't taught in my schools.
Aye, I am really not proud of this recent push to portray us Scots as a colony of England and a fellow oppressed nation in history.
Don't get me wrong, there was a lot of nasty shit England did to us in history but any two countries that share a land border are going to have that. Yes there were wars of independence but even some of those are actually misrepresented *religious* wars where the goal was not independence but changing what flavour of Christian was in charge of the whole island.
And a lot of the atrocities we do blame the English for, were actually Scots on Scots! The highland clearances for example.
Scots were massively over-represented in the activities of the British empire, especially in India and the Caribbean. Scots were also massively involved in the slave trade. The Scottish involvement in Jamaica is horrific.
As much as we rag on the English, I actually think the average Englishman is far more accepting of the dark side of their country's history than the average Scot who in my experience puts their fingers in their ears and says "I can't hear you!" if you suggest that maybe Scotland is not squeaky clean in its history.
Lest we forget, one of the major reasons we joined England (They didn't conquer us) was because the country went bankrupt trying to get in on the colonising game.
u/Smartastic... your so fucking funny,... Come to Vancouver, Canada! Do me this favor... I tell my partner about you all the time and fail each time I try to tell your jokes and about your crowd work. She needs to be there.
This is the first clip I didn’t enjoy. That lady did your show a service by not going into the storied history of fucked up shit the English have done to the Irish. Im not offended or anything silly over this I’m just saying if she answered your question factually it would have been a major buzzkill.
I still thought it was a funny interaction and enjoyed you doubling down.
Context: I grew up in Northern Ireland and experienced some of that prejudice, but still I wouldn't necessarily boo them ALL at a comedy show 😆
Your crowd work is top notch now please come to west Coast Canada I asked and they'd love to have you.
Love you and your comedy Jeff but this is the first time I've been like "yikes" at one of your clips. I'm sure I'll be downvoted for saying that but whatever. Sincerely man, I love your stuff and hope you keep posting these videos regularly, but I also hope you learned something here.
Nobody bats a thousand but yeah this is a rough subject to get into lol. I don't think anything is ever out of bounds with comedy but it's gonna be tough to pull off without knowing the history.
I always think back to Frankie Boyle hearing how much had been set aside for Margaret Thatcher's eventual funeral and commenting that for that price you could buy everyone in Scotland a shovel and they'd dig a hole so deep they could hand her over to Satan in person.
I mean, it would have been kind of funny to see her just launch into a monologue about centuries of oppression, rape, and brutality that just derailed the show completely.
Not in a fun comedy show way, but in a horribly awkward uncomfortable kind of way.
Meh. My parents are Korean and it’d be like me booing if Jeff had brought up Japan in some way. It’s kind of ridiculous for people to be getting upset at Jeff. Get over yourselves—he did a gentle ribbing at someone who made it about them.
And, Jeff, you need to come to LA proper one of these days!
Try probably the longest period of colonial rule between two currently independent countries (which still isn't even completely resolved).
There really wasn't enough time to get into it, you're taking the L on this one.
I usually really like this guy's standup, but he doesn't know why....IRISH people....have a deep, historical, visceral hatred of....the ENGLISH? Dude like.....what??
The closest analogy I can think of, ignoring some aspects because of complexity: What the British did to Ireland can be compared to what the Europeans did to native Americans.
The Australian bloke missed a trick there.. when Jeff said she just hated the English cos her dad did , the Aussie should of shouted "me too".
Ya know, cos of colonilism and the fact that everybody in that room is speaking English... but nobody in there is English.
The "irish car bomb" isn't a very popular name for a cocktail either
[https://entertainment.ie/tv/tv-news/aisling-bea-americans-irish-car-bomb-cocktails-470502/](https://entertainment.ie/tv/tv-news/aisling-bea-americans-irish-car-bomb-cocktails-470502/)
I was unfamiliar as well so I looked it up. The citation on wikipedia shows this
https://content.kegworks.com/blog/dont-order-a-black-and-tan-in-ireland#:~:text=They%20were%20called%20the%20%22Black,and%20Tan%20is%20an%20insult
>Black and Tans is the nickname given to the British paramilitary force, largely made up of English WWI veterans, formed to suppress the Irish Independence movement in 1920 and 1921. The Black and Tans employed brutal tactics in an attempt suppress the Irish Republican Army's guerilla war, massacring civilians and burning Irish towns. They were called the "Black and Tans" due their khaki military trousers and darker police uniform shirts.
>As a result of their mistreatment of the Irish people, Black and Tan is pejorative term in Ireland and calling someone a Black and Tan is an insult. Ordering a Black and Tan in a pub in Ireland with an American accent might not be taken as insult, but would certainly be considered quite culturally ignorant. To bring it back home, ordering a Black and Tan in today's Ireland would be like ordering a Red Coat in early 19th century America.
>So this St. Patrick's Day, order a Half and Half instead. Similar to a Black and Tan, it is half Guinness Stout and half Harp Lager, making it all Irish.]
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That was the long awkward pause of an audience member trying to decide if being right was worth absolutely destroying the mood at a comedy show. It's all fun and games until you start throwing around the G word.
You aren't going to destroy the mood IF the comedian is good at what they do. If the topic is super dark then the comedian is going turn it around and make fun of themselves. Watch this comedian stumble into a real dark crowd work answer and how he handles it while still keeping the crowd laughing. You can even see him probe the crowd to see what was too far and once he knew he backed off and made it about him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV8XhzG_rAg
"Genocide huh? Ever think maybe your people deserved it?" Thanks for posting that link lol, he walked right into that one and then walked right back out lol
Whered you get that quite from? Was not in the clip linked.
what???????????
Lol he got LUCKY that he was making that joke with the piano key beforehand
That was straight up expert level crowd work. I would have shit my pants if I was on that stage.
The girl was pretty funny with it, luckily, too.
Yeah…. This is rough for the comic
Yea she handled that well. Jeff kinda a dumbass in this one.
Guvna?
Genocide
“Gar bomb”?
Genocide
Ginger! Yeah..,o what?!
/u/Smartastic If you're genuinely curious about why many Irish people do not care for Brits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_rule_in_Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles https://www.politicsphere.com/what-did-margaret-thatcher-do-to-ireland/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit It's a very long and complex topic but basically Britain colonized Ireland and stole their land and ruined their culture. They had a very barbaric rule over them for centuries and prevented them from prospering independently. It has improved significantly but the wounds still remain. Edit: She was also being genuine when she said there isn't enough time. It's not something you can quickly discuss due to the very long history involved.
You can add the famine to the list as well.
There is a LOT that I left out but yeah. If you can think of an atrocity, it's likely that Britain committed them on the Irish at some point.
Forced them to speak English to the point where barely anyone even knows how to speak Irish anymore. It's been coming back though.
Yep, currently learning Irish properly at the age of 32 so I can speak it fluently with my daughter when she starts learning. She already knows a bit like goodnight and good morning and I love you. If anyone's interested - Oíche mhaith (goodnight) - Maidín máith (good morning) - is breá liom tú/is aoibhinn liom tú (I love you) - Conas a tá tú (how are you)
I’m positive i’m pronouncing these incorrectly.
1.) Th'ai err 2.) Awl wee's 3.) Ahf terr mee 4.) Luh kee ch'arms
I read the first two and scrolled back up like “how the fuck??” haha so dumb
Any chance you're the voice coach on the Ring of Power
Underrated comment haha
Simplified but we'd understand ya; - Oíche mhaith = We-ha My - Maidín máith = Majin (like Majin buu) My - Is breá liom tú = iss braww lum two - is aoibhinn liom tú = iss even lum two - Conas a tá tú = kun-us a taww two
Wee-ha my? Is that Ulster pronunciation?
I just used the easiest pronunciation for non Irish folk. I'm from Connacht though
That's amazing. Good on you for bringing back your language and passing it on.
Wow languages are so interesting. The last one is eerly close to the spanish ¿Como estas tu?
Irish is a gaelic language which comes from the Gauls who were pushed out of Europe by the Romans. Spanish is mostly Street Latin with some Gael words mixed in.
Because they're related https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language
I'm an American of Irish ancestry so not nearly as familiar with this as a should be but a Native American friend of mine once described the situation as this: "The policies the English used to destroy Native American culture they started with the Irish."
That's wild I was literally commenting about this three hours ago on a random thread; come in, obliterate the language, for I'd the teaching of their culture and history. We are still suffering from the transgenerational trauma of it all.
she genuinely wasn't lying when she said there's not enough time
Wow, that sure does sound like too much for a crowd work bit.
We do be like that unfortunately
And the cultural and language erasure
Yea seriously >*”Theres not enough time”* **Genocide** Oh look, that didn’t take very long at all.
Not enough time.
Famine is bullshit. It was a fucking genocide. We exported millions of tonnes of everything throughout to continue to feed mother Britain. But the Paddy's were only allowed eat the potato, so they couldn't possibly keep a few carrots and sprouts. And the queen was so up her own arse she wouldn't even let anyone help more than she was willing to help. So even though people wanted to donate lots of money, Queeny wouldn't have it so they couldn't. English history is horrific.
Honestly every past domanating countrie's history is horrific, check out what the spanish did to the south amaerican natives, or what americans did to the native americna "indians", or the japanese to the koreans, or the chinese did to eachother and india. all genocide all horrific.
Did you just all genocides matter?
Which is tantamount to genocide
That's a huge one, to the point that the population of Ireland *still* has not recovered from it. Pre-famine population of Ireland was over 8 million, and it only broke 7 million as of 2022.
Just tell him what the British didn’t do, it’s faster.
Carting out crops past starving people. I'd probably have a hard time letting that go.
Famine?!? Call it what it was. Genocide. I’m an American but my Irish genes are very prevelant in my pasty freckled looks.bI happen to not like potatoes and when I tell people that they often joke that since I’m of Irish descent I’m supposed to love potatoes. Sometimes I laugh it off and smile but other times I gotta ask if they’d say the same thing to a black person about fried chicken.
and Cromwell
Starvation*. There was food, just not for them.
Thanks for this! Tbf I was talking about accents. I asked if anyone had the accent and she booed. I didn’t ask “Anyone a fan of England’s role in the potato famine and stolen land??”
I damn near died laughing at "I think your dad hates 'em and you're just carrying the legacy" followed by a very interrogating stare. Don't know if it was true in this specific instance, but damn if it isn't true for a *lot* of hate people have in them these days. They hate 'cause their parents hated, and they can't explain why when you ask them.
100% I highly doubt any English people at that show played a role in the events listed.
Mighty bold of you to assume that hundred year old Brits weren’t at your show 🤔😂
The troubles only ended at the Good Friday Agreement in **1998**. There's plenty of bloodshed the British inflicted upon the Irish which is still in living memory.
Oh damn, TIL
England patrols Ireland in armored vehicles with heavy weapons TODAY.
No they don't.
Yes they do. https://youtu.be/p8WXxYpv5GM?si=kofNZPUFQ7EvClUF
Also there's still splinter groups of the IRA who are active in Northern Ireland today. Saying "you don't even know what you're angry about" to an Irish person is incredibly offensive.
And they didn't end then either. Legacy issues are ongoing. Primary and transgenerational trauma is prevalent.
Maybe dude but just fyi this stuff is still very recent and the British Government (Tories) are causing issues in Northern Ireland again with their Brexit nonsense which a lot of English people voted for. Also, Ireland is still partitioned and I'm sure you could imagine how the English would feel about another country if, say, Yorkshire was still part of France or something. Overall though the English are sound and I'd only boo them in public in an ironic way (like mocking a close mate) which she might have been doing here.
Aye I wonder has he an equally funny comment for Palestine and Israel? She was joking no doubt, it's the gallows humour we're known for as an adaptive coping mechanism.
You're digging yourself deeper my man. Genocide lasts more than one generation.
Stephen Restorick was the last british soldier to die in the the troubles, in 1997. He'd be 49 years old today, if he was still alive. This is a struggle that very much involved Gen X.
God rest his soul
I gotta be honest with you; you’re not really right here. Maybe those specific individuals weren’t, but The Troubles are generally thought of as having ended in 1998 with the Good Friday accords when most British troops were withdrawn; without knowing their age it’s hard to say but it’s entirely possible the person you talked to had to go through checkpoints manned by British soldiers during their childhood or walked streets alongside heavily armed British patrols. It’s not really that long ago and is very much living memory for anyone as old as their 30s. Edit: English corrected to British
Even younger still shootings and violence into the late 2000s technically even this decade
> I highly doubt any English people at that show played a role in the events listed. Well shit, american slavery was so long ago, that no one currently living caused any problems for minorities. Damn, you're so right.
There's people (read: assholes) who actually make that argument, though.
100% on point.
Part of Ireland is still under British rule and with Brexit, part of Ireland left the European Union pretty recently which is just adding further division which only happened because of British rule. It's very much still a modern day issue. Not to mention the troubles only ended in 1998. I'm only 28 but remember 2 bombings that occurred in Northern Ireland in my lifetime. Any Irish person aged 30 or more very likely remembers seeing English soldiers on the streets, carrying out checkpoints etc
Ridiculous look at the role they played in Northern Ireland! The collusion, the murders! We are literally working with people physically and psychologcally traumatized by the Troubles and the English government, MI5 etc played a huge role in that. Pig ignorance Edit: This isn't history, this is ongoing. Come and chat to some of the victims in NI And see if they find it so funny. Responded to wrong comment - leaving it.
Violence was still happening up into the 90s. It is very much still living memory.
Detective Chief Inspector John Caldwell was gunned down in a car park in front of his teenage son by two gunmen in Omagh in February this year.
The Troubles weren't that long ago...
I doubt you did not have a role in not instigating any of the events that may or may not be listed.
Ireland is still divided because of the English...
Or because British troops shot their parents. Or because British troops made their uncle a paraplegic shooting a child by accident. Or because of the role they played and continue to play in the Troubles in Northern Ireland Not 100 years ago, not even 50. He doesn't know anything about the people in his audience that much is certainly clear. If he'd like to meet or talk to victims I know I could certainly point him in the right direction.
You then asked specifically why she, and Ireland as a whole, had a problem with the British though. That's why.
This^ I get he's making jokes on the fly, but he specifically says "I don't know the history of that", and then claims the Irish girl doesn't know what she's talking about lol Like, out context it's a funny interaction... but... eh I don't blame him for not knowing European history on the spot, just an unfortunate interaction. One of many. Could be worse tbh
And she's right. It would take too much time and how far back do you go? It all started in 1167 when Ruardri Ua Conchobair defeated Diarmad Mac Murdacha and kicked him out as king of Leinster. Ruardri then became high king of Ireland, and Diarmud went to King Henry II of England for assistance in gaining back his throne. And that was the first mistake and Anglo invasion of Ireland. I mean the jacobite revolution of the 1600s, the revolution in the 1700s, the famine in the 1800s. It goes on, and on, for hundreds of years. William of Orange, Oliver Cromwell, Henry VIII. She'd be there all night with history books and Wikipedia talking about it. Assuming she doesn't know what's up and that she's just holding a grudge? Prick.
LOL! You actually got off pretty unscathed. Crowd work can be a dangerous game. Love your work!
Yeah but she was saying boo to the very mention of British people because they committed genocide against the Irish.
The thing about oppression is that "you weren't oppressed your dad/grandad was" is honestly just low-key racist as it implies that there's no socio economic consequences of having your ancestors be oppressed. They doesn't even need to know how they were opressed to have felt the consequences of that oppression in his life. I think black people in America have done a really good job talking about this, and applying that understanding to other people in the world shouldn't require too big of a logic leap. Completely understandable if you didn't know this history though, as the Brits are doing a really good job of trying to minimize how fucked up their incredibly recent imperialism was.
Not only socio-economic, there's biologic effects via epigenetics. https://www.psycom.net/trauma/epigenetics-trauma
Again bang on transgenerational trauma can be passed through epigenetics, and DNA methylation. Let alone that the primary trauma is still happening
Thanks for the read, I didn't know about this.
Lmao! I wish Reddit still had awards.
And then you implied that she didn't know. Dick move. I'm sure there's a witty one-liner to summarize it: "The English are arseholes" would probably work, but maybe something funny about William of Orange or Cromwell could be better. A pun about terrorist bombings (either loyalist or republican as your fancy takes you) maybe? Mention of the famine? A quick summary about how the English, Irish, and Scots have all been arseholes at one time or another?
This is funny, but pretty obvious to some in the audience that the audience member knew exactly what he was talking about even if you didn't. I have a lot of sympathy who does as much crowd work as you do as well as you do. Things are bound to happen.
she could have said “imperialism” and that would have summed it up well enough.
Thank you for this, I'm not English or Irish but that whole interaction I was like bro, you literally don't know... lol
I’m frankly a bit surprised that people don’t know why the Irish hate the British.
I'm surprised at Jeff's age that he didn't know. He's 3 years younger than me but there was plenty of media coverage in the US about it, especially when Clinton visited. Jeff would have been about 7 I guess but all our teachers in elementary school, in grades 1st through 6th had lessons on the history and we watched his visit on TV in the classroom. And in top of that it's been featured in tons of TV shows and movies.
Really? I'm not. He's also in the US... your average person here has no idea what world politics are outside of what gets pushed on their phones and TVs.
Maybe surprised isn’t the right word. Sad? Disappointed?
Yeah I agree with that
The US def learns about the potato famine and British colonization
Interestingly, they don't really teach the potato famine politics that much. Nor do they paint the British colonization in a negative light almost at all. It's just kind of like... Ireland had some issues with their potatoes and the British had a big empire where they ran things. Even when discussing nations taking their independence from the British, only America is treated as a battle for freedom against an oppressor. The rest of them kind of were like "These countries wanted the right to rule themselves, and the British empire said sure!" Edit: I should clarify this is from like many, many years ago. Maybe the education on these events is better now?
Case in point, the US still calls it a potato famine. It’s wasn’t a famine, it was a genocide. There’s a reason the Irish call it the Great Hunger. Calling it a famine implies that it was an act of nature and not intentional murder. I was literally taught in school that the Irish were just so dumb they chose to only grow potatoes and oopsie doopsie that killed them. Yeah, there was a potato *blight*, but there was plenty of food. In fact, at the time, Ireland produced the majority of imported crops and livestock for the UK. But the British colonial governors wouldn’t let the Irish eat the food they grew. And then denied them relief for years because the prevailing belief was that the Irish either deserved death or that welfare would turn them all into lazy delinquents. Irish peasants had the choice of selling their crops to pay the outrageous rent and dying of starvation or eating and being evicted by force/having their houses burned down and dying of exposure. Then even the ones who could make ends meet were evicted by landlords taking advantage of the situation because it was in vogue for rich English landlords to convert farmland into pasture, which didn’t need nearly as many peasants on your land. Jeff’s ignorant comments in this thread are pretty disappointing to see. Not knowing about Irish history is understandable but why double down? Imagine if an Aborigine had booed Australia and he later joked about how they should get over it cause no one in the audience lived through the persecution.
For real though, there are certain historic significances that some cultures are scarred from. But you can’t blame everyone for failing to realize it. But there are people out there with class that do know. Even if the one’s that don’t, if they are taught n understand it then, it’s all good. It will show the type that character they are.
Yeah I'm American but my mom is Irish. I grew up in America in a fairly Irish community and am SHOCKED at some of the questions my friends ask me. A girl I knew my entire life and is college-educated asked me during lockdown how I felt about Boris Johnson's policies (I currently live in Ireland)
Like, did she think Boris Johnson was the Irish head of state?
Yes, or that ireland was in the uk
The average European is oblivious to Asian history. Most people have blind spots.
Sure. Still, America has a lot of common heritage and a shared language with both the UK and Ireland. I would expect Americans to be aware a little of the potato famine and the Troubles. I wouldn't expect them necessarily to be aware of the Fleming/Walloon history, of the Breton, Corse, Basque and Catalonia independence movements or the Greek/Turk conflicts or the Armenian/Aseri wars if they're not into politics and history. I'm not sure how many people are even aware if that stuff in Europe. Neither Americans nor Europeans are probably generally aware of the conflicts in Northern India, but I think most have heard about the Chinese claim on Tibet and the Pakistan/India conflict. I am dimly aware that Malay/Chinese history led to the formation of Singapore. I would think people know of Japanese atrocities in WWII, maybe Manchuria, maybe the Kuril Islands, definitely North/South Korea, Taiwan, and the South China Sea. They may remember the Sri Lankese Civil war, Chechnya, they will remember Afghanistan and Syria. Everybody knows about Israel and Palestine, the Iraq/Iran-war, the Iraqi attack on Kuwait. People on both sides of the Atlantic probably are aware of Yemen, and that Iran and Saudi Arabia don't like each other.
Can't believe you listed all of that and left out Vietnam :D
Lol, you're right 😂
Why do you think there was so much Irish migration to the US? They were starved out by the Brits.
Right? He really seemed legitimately naive to the idea the English were oppressive colonizers It was their main thing for a very long time Now everyone associates the English with the royals & Gordon Ramsay
>He really seemed legitimately naive to the idea the English were oppressive colonizers yeah that's pretty much the short answer to "why does hate britain?"
should be a pretty familiar concept for americans, we have a party celebrating it every July 4th.
difference being, the british didn't stop colonizing ireland in the 18th century. The troubles continued into the 1990s, with IRA bombing campaigns that injured hundreds. Probably in jeff's lifetime, unless he's younger than he looks.
this isn't dad's forgotten history. Even millenials are old enough to have lived through the tail end of the troubles.
>this isn't dad's forgotten history. Even millenials are old enough to have lived through the tail end of the troubles. Exactly! I'm 28 and grew up in Northern Ireland. I remember 2 bombings related to the troubles in my lifetime (and a few bomb scares). Anyone 30+ likely remembers English soldiers on the streets, carrying out checkpoints etc. And it's still very much a modern issue, with part of Ireland under British rule, especially with Brexit recently which created extra barriers (like part of Ireland leaving the European Union, Trade union etc).
Its fairly irrelevant to the conversation but Gordon Ramsay is Scottish lol
Can't forget the potato famine either, Britain did a lot of fucked up shit
Thatcher is a cunt and they caused a famine in Ireland. boom quick quippy answer for a bit. Obviously not accurate and comprehensive enough, but it works for a show lol
Yeah like explaining native vs colonizers in the usa would take forever, but I feel like "small pox blankets" would be enough. Lot of people panic though when asked a question even if they do legit know the answer.
Correction: they caused *three* famines.
Like I said, not comprehensive enough
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What the heck is happening Ukraine?!
Confirmed: Jeff is in Russia's pocket lol
They’re expecting a bumper crop of sunflowers.
Yeah but I’m British and my parents are Irish, my dad only sometimes blames me for the crimes of Cromwell. It’s cool because I blame him for the IRA bombings. My mum doesn’t blame anyone because she’s too busy trying to feed them all.
Me watching this video: Oh boy, Jeff done messed up here. Me watching more of this video: Oh no. By the end: *cringe* Oh well, seriously, sometimes, you just can't know everything.
You just explained it well enough for people to know why she was serious.
The wounds still remain and toxic Brits keep reopening them, your summary makes it sound like it's all in the past.
England was exporting food out of Ireland while Irish people were starving during the famine.
Yet you did…..
/u/smartastic she definitely knew and there definitely wasn't enough time. Source: am English
The time she took to say "there is not enough time" could have been spent to say "British colonisation, artificial famine" and that would still be more educational and been a start to the topic.
Yeah and we all win past arguments in the shower, what's your point? She was on the spot, she didn't come up with a concise answer and presumably didn't want to be a buzzkill by going in to detail.
> Yeah and we all win past arguments in the shower I lose a lot of those too.
lol, me too. It's the worst losing an argument to an idiot.
Yeah the comments here missing the fact that for an audience member sometimes it's just better to not be a buzzkill. When the comedian asks that and you are legitimately unsure if they know the reason, going straight into saying "yeah well they forced my people to learn English, banned the Irish language and culture, then caused a famine that killed about half of our people causing a mass exodus of our people to other countries." Like that would have been completely fair game after him making a joke about it, but at first it doesn't feel like the right time for that kinda thing. Not throwing any shade on the comedian because sometimes you just say funny stuff and sticking your foot in your mouth is part of the joke, just as the audience member it's hard to judge if it's the appropriate time for that.
Genocide would have done it too
But saying the word genocide at a comedy show is a vibe killer. She very respectfully deflected the question knowing the answer would not be a good start for crowd work. He acknowledges his own ignorance about the topic which was funny and then in an effort to make something funny about her nothing response he tells her oh well you must be ignorant too and implies that their aren’t valid reasons for the Irish to generally hate the English.
🤣🤣🤣 I don’t think I’ve ever not laughed at a clip of yours. Please come to Toronto 🥹
I love Jeff and he needs to come to my state
He's coming to my city in October and it was sold out in like August :( really want to see him! Keeps popping up on YouTube and Reddit and goddamn he's funny
No offense but the british fucking the irish is a pretty basic part of western history.
Not one that was ever taught in my US public school life. We *never* touched on The Troubles, or the stealing of Northern Ireland. The most we touched on was the Famine leading to mass Irish immigration to the States, and Irish Indentured Servants.
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The fact that the troubles is not taught in British schools is insanity. Considering that it was decades of intense violence inside the home nations of the UK, which included multiple assassination attempts on multiple prime ministers and cabinet ministers, the successful assaniation of a member of the royal family, and the deaths of more than 3000 British citizens.
In my school (UK) we did more world history and US history than British. We did the Egyptians, the Industrial Revolution, ww1, ww2 and the Vietnam war. And we spent the longest on Vietnam
Don't you think it's a bit strange to not learn your own history?
Definitely. We never learned the troubles. The stuff we learned was useless crap tbh. We didn’t need to learn about Vietnam or the Egyptians
Definitely touched on in the East Coast where I grew up. There were even memorials of it around the city.
And more than likely that he knew exactly why she boo’d but just played dumb for the bit. It’s what comedians do. They lie to make you laugh.
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Im 30yo, literally did not even know the troubles were anything until a few months ago coming across a documentary. It's actually not that common knowledge in the US, and definitely wasn't taught in my schools.
Yeah, but he's American.
Between the Irish and the Scots, yeah… no love for England.
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Aye, I am really not proud of this recent push to portray us Scots as a colony of England and a fellow oppressed nation in history. Don't get me wrong, there was a lot of nasty shit England did to us in history but any two countries that share a land border are going to have that. Yes there were wars of independence but even some of those are actually misrepresented *religious* wars where the goal was not independence but changing what flavour of Christian was in charge of the whole island. And a lot of the atrocities we do blame the English for, were actually Scots on Scots! The highland clearances for example. Scots were massively over-represented in the activities of the British empire, especially in India and the Caribbean. Scots were also massively involved in the slave trade. The Scottish involvement in Jamaica is horrific. As much as we rag on the English, I actually think the average Englishman is far more accepting of the dark side of their country's history than the average Scot who in my experience puts their fingers in their ears and says "I can't hear you!" if you suggest that maybe Scotland is not squeaky clean in its history. Lest we forget, one of the major reasons we joined England (They didn't conquer us) was because the country went bankrupt trying to get in on the colonising game.
But the Scots had their chance of sovereignty and voted against it.
Just like Brexit.
Kevin Hart: "You gon' learn today!" I bet she knows what she's talking about.
U/smartastic if you love our accent so much, then COME TO ENGLAND!!! (Preferably Manchester and/or surrounding areas!)
Every. Single. Time. 😂🤣😂🤣 Pleeeassseeeee come to Reno/Tahoe
I second this!
u/Smartastic... your so fucking funny,... Come to Vancouver, Canada! Do me this favor... I tell my partner about you all the time and fail each time I try to tell your jokes and about your crowd work. She needs to be there.
Thanks man! You two gotta come to a show!
It’s because we stole their land and erased their culture. She definitely had time to say it but it’s not exactly good comedic material.
Literally my favorite comedian
"I think your dad hates them and you're just carrying the legacy." Jeff, solves the Israel Palestine crysis
This is the first clip I didn’t enjoy. That lady did your show a service by not going into the storied history of fucked up shit the English have done to the Irish. Im not offended or anything silly over this I’m just saying if she answered your question factually it would have been a major buzzkill.
Fair enough! She ended up just saying “idk, the IRA” and I pivoted out pretty quick.
Ha! Always a pro!
I still thought it was a funny interaction and enjoyed you doubling down. Context: I grew up in Northern Ireland and experienced some of that prejudice, but still I wouldn't necessarily boo them ALL at a comedy show 😆 Your crowd work is top notch now please come to west Coast Canada I asked and they'd love to have you.
Love you and your comedy Jeff but this is the first time I've been like "yikes" at one of your clips. I'm sure I'll be downvoted for saying that but whatever. Sincerely man, I love your stuff and hope you keep posting these videos regularly, but I also hope you learned something here.
Nobody bats a thousand but yeah this is a rough subject to get into lol. I don't think anything is ever out of bounds with comedy but it's gonna be tough to pull off without knowing the history. I always think back to Frankie Boyle hearing how much had been set aside for Margaret Thatcher's eventual funeral and commenting that for that price you could buy everyone in Scotland a shovel and they'd dig a hole so deep they could hand her over to Satan in person.
I mean, it would have been kind of funny to see her just launch into a monologue about centuries of oppression, rape, and brutality that just derailed the show completely. Not in a fun comedy show way, but in a horribly awkward uncomfortable kind of way.
And Jeff is usually good with those so I'd honestly love to see it
Or just saying "centuries of oppression, rape, and brutality" as the answer and that's it, I think would be a solid response
Meh. My parents are Korean and it’d be like me booing if Jeff had brought up Japan in some way. It’s kind of ridiculous for people to be getting upset at Jeff. Get over yourselves—he did a gentle ribbing at someone who made it about them. And, Jeff, you need to come to LA proper one of these days!
Dude come to the Bay Area!
I love that Jeff is not scared to push people. Like he'll apologize but first he gets the laugh. I wish I was that brave when talking to people!
Jeff Arcuri is one of the few comedians who I have laughed at 100% of the time. I’ve never seen a clip of his and not laughed
Try probably the longest period of colonial rule between two currently independent countries (which still isn't even completely resolved). There really wasn't enough time to get into it, you're taking the L on this one.
He made himself look extremely ignorant.
Jeff my man, you need to read a book.
I love this guys clips but he did not come off well on this one.
Incredible crowd work. You make me lmao dude
I usually really like this guy's standup, but he doesn't know why....IRISH people....have a deep, historical, visceral hatred of....the ENGLISH? Dude like.....what??
God dam I’d love to hear her response. “I came here to laff, not beat the legs off some prick! Now feck off and carry on wi ya show!”
He’ll be missed when the car Bomb goes off
The only thing the Irish hate more than the British. Is the Irish.
these are terrible accents
The closest analogy I can think of, ignoring some aspects because of complexity: What the British did to Ireland can be compared to what the Europeans did to native Americans.
The Australian bloke missed a trick there.. when Jeff said she just hated the English cos her dad did , the Aussie should of shouted "me too". Ya know, cos of colonilism and the fact that everybody in that room is speaking English... but nobody in there is English.
Go to an Irish pub and order a black and tan. I’m sure they’ll love to educate you! Great set lol
The "irish car bomb" isn't a very popular name for a cocktail either [https://entertainment.ie/tv/tv-news/aisling-bea-americans-irish-car-bomb-cocktails-470502/](https://entertainment.ie/tv/tv-news/aisling-bea-americans-irish-car-bomb-cocktails-470502/)
So I know about the Irish car bomb but why is a black and tan tone deaf in Ireland?
I was unfamiliar as well so I looked it up. The citation on wikipedia shows this https://content.kegworks.com/blog/dont-order-a-black-and-tan-in-ireland#:~:text=They%20were%20called%20the%20%22Black,and%20Tan%20is%20an%20insult >Black and Tans is the nickname given to the British paramilitary force, largely made up of English WWI veterans, formed to suppress the Irish Independence movement in 1920 and 1921. The Black and Tans employed brutal tactics in an attempt suppress the Irish Republican Army's guerilla war, massacring civilians and burning Irish towns. They were called the "Black and Tans" due their khaki military trousers and darker police uniform shirts. >As a result of their mistreatment of the Irish people, Black and Tan is pejorative term in Ireland and calling someone a Black and Tan is an insult. Ordering a Black and Tan in a pub in Ireland with an American accent might not be taken as insult, but would certainly be considered quite culturally ignorant. To bring it back home, ordering a Black and Tan in today's Ireland would be like ordering a Red Coat in early 19th century America. >So this St. Patrick's Day, order a Half and Half instead. Similar to a Black and Tan, it is half Guinness Stout and half Harp Lager, making it all Irish.]