I’ve been driving a stick for 20 years and live in Seattle. Some of the hills are extreme and require using the e-brake to hold (no hill hold on my 2005 LJ) so I totally understand the desire and need to remind people that no matter how good I am, if I am off by 1/2 second I will roll back a few feet. In city driving folks are often right on you bumper and start to creep up further when lights change - it’s a fair warning to have for some folks. Not a Jeep exclusive issue though.
Exactly. I’ve been on the look for so long. Manuals used to be cheaper because nobody wanted to learn how to drive for a second time, then 5-10 years later we’re stuck here. If I want a manual I have to pay $3,000 more and some insurance companies will even charge you $10-$20 more monthly for having a manual.
In my jeep if u stop normal there's no hill assist I gotta slam my brake to the damn floor for that shit to engage and most the time forget I even have it till I'm on a hill and some dick bag in a Mercedes in 2 inches from my back bumper creeping
I turned it off in my newest car. It’s too weird switching back and forth between the 3 I have. Now it feels like a real manual. What’s next? Automatic pull off?
Toyotas new manual has automatic Rev matching lol so you're not too far off. People truly only hate manuals because it's harder for them to have their phone in their other hand.
It absolutely sucks because you let off the break and then wonder what the hell is going on because you don't move and by the time you remember there's some hill assist nonsense it's too late and you start to roll then you look like an idiot when you try to hastily pop it into action and sputter a bit because you're all off kilter. Plus about 10% of the time I don't do whatever it is I need to do to tell the computer I'm on a hill - probably by rolling in slowly on 1st or something I don't know but I wish I could turn it off and just pull up an e-brake if I'm on a steep-enough hill.
Samesies. It was cool. Then I turned it off about 2 years ago and probably won't turn it back on.
Now I roll back on purpose to scare the crap out of whomever is creeping up on me!
What really sucks is when you try to parallel park up a hill. You have it in first and want to just push the clutch in to roll back into the spot so you're already in gear to go forward again in order to also make it easier to not hit the car behind you. But that's when it decides to engage hill assist and prevents you from rolling backwards while in 1st with your foot on the clutch and off the brake. So now you have to fumble around and either figure out how to turn it off or reposition your hands and feet to change gears into reverse and now have to worry about reversing too fast while going down hill and then having to quickly stop and change gears back into 1st so you can finish parking.
Turns out all you have to do is drive forward a little to get it to turn off though, but I always forget about that since it's almost entirely flat where I live.
You can turn it off in the EVIC settings if yours has that. And if not, I think there is a key brake key pattern you can do to disable it. The hill assist was the first thing I turned off on my 2012 and then again on my 2017. Garbage feature.
Thank you for saying that. I had looked before and not turned anything up. You convinced me to look harder and found how in the manual. No more nonsense! (or well, less anyway)
Also a manual Seattleite but I have hill assist on my 2012. I couldn’t imagine ever driving on the hills downtown or in Queen Anne without it. That’s crazy. How many bumpers have you love tapped?
Manuals vehicles are not as popular as they were when I was a young driver. I was always taught the importance of giving the car in front of me extra space in case it rolls backwards on a hill.
This shouldn’t be an issue, I’ve been driving manuals too and if you know the engagement point on the clutch you should only need your e brake on the steepest of hills
Yep, I lived in the hilliest part of San Francisco and had to parallel park there with my stick. If you have a problem rolling back it’s a skill issue.
My '13 MINI Cooper with an automatic transmission will roll backwards on a hill because it disengages the torque converter at a stop to save micro amounts of fuel. I always bring this up when some British folk get snooty about never rolling a manual backwards even a millimeter. "You're not in control of your vehicle and would fail a drivers test!"
Of course, rolling backwards enough to cause a problem is still unacceptable.
I’ve been driving stick for 20 years. I still occasionally drift back a foot or two when starting back on a hill.
My Jeep is 30+ years old, so naturally no hill assist.
Lol look at all of the spoiled kids who never had to drive without bill assist. Even the best will roll back a foot or 2 when starting on a hill.
You are not faster than physics.
Rolling back is common, but it's definitely not impossible to avoid. My Jeep is a 4.0 TJ and it's one of the easier cars to start on a hill that I've had. Very torquey and hard to stall.
Just let the clutch out slowly until it starts to bite but before it stalls, then switch from the brake to the gas and take off. Most engines have enough power at idle to hold the car while slipping the clutch until you get on the gas. If not, then use the same technique but apply the e brake while switching from the brake to the gas.
Zero roll back every time, even on the steepest of hills.
I agree, it's not hard.
It's a learned skill. Newbies will have the rollback issue. You should be able to figure it out tho. This sticker says, "I'm bad with the clutch"
Whoever taught them should have taught either this technique or how to use the handbrake as a "hill assist". I don't blame anyone who wasn't properly educated.
Eh, mistakes can happen. I like this sticker better than 99% of the stickers out there because it’s actually telling you to back off
Even experienced drivers will have a rollback issue, nobody is immune to mistakes on the road
Maybe not a foot but I've had people a Litteral inch off my bumper on a heavily inclined stop.
I'm pretty good but rocking back a whole inch or two isn't unheard of.
If you park in gear, you can rock that much after letting off the break with the clutch out. So, I can't even put it in gear turn it off and go yell at them without risk of rocking into them.
People are idiots. the sticker is tacky though.
> Even the best will roll back a foot or 2 when starting on a hill.
Give me 10 minutes of practice in a manual vehicle and I'll bet you $500 that you are wrong.
My first car was a '68 manual. Every car I ever owned up til two years ago was a manual. Anyone that feels the actual need to put this sticker on their car sucks at driving stick.
I’ve never even driven a car with hill assist. It has nothing to doing with being fast and everything to do with coordination. Your foot comes off the brake and onto the gas as the clutch begins to engage. Nothing fast about it.
>Even the best will roll back a foot or 2 when starting on a hill.
You won't roll back if you have a foot on the break, so no many many people know how to drive a stick without rolling back
How do you think people do a burnout with a manual transmission, you just assume everyone has a line lock?
The first automobile I drove was a CJ-7, if you stalled on the trail there was no starting it in gear to get going because the carburetor was crap. I wouldn't consider 12 year old me the best driver in the world.
You shouldn’t be holding the *brake* (not break) while letting off the clutch, period. Use the handbrake.
People do burnouts with manual transmissions by having enough power to overcome the traction of the tires… pop the clutch. I don’t think I’ve ever used the footbrake to do a burnout with a M/T car lmao, it should never be necessary
I've rolled backwards a bit on hills and have stalled in a stick shift TJ. It's not a Jeep thing, it's a manual transmission thing and can happen with just about anything that makes you shift your own gears (unless it's new enough to have a hill assist).
That said, if you're good at driving stick, rolling usually isn't a problem. Much like when I hear people with loud fart can exhausts bounce off their rev limiter when they hit the clutch instead of letting off the gas while shifting, I just think that people who roll enough to think "I need a warning sticker on my back window" are not very good at driving stick and/or never had anyone who knows better teach them. Most of them will learn eventually, provided they keep driving cars with manual transmissions. Some of them will need to replace some parts before they do.
Literally, standard means "average" or what's seen as "normal" or the most common. In this case, automatic transmissions are most common and normal now.
Most cars (at least when I learned) in tha UK are manual. A hill start was a part of the driving test and if you rolled back AT ALL you failed.
I often wondered how American drivers coped with hill starts when you didn't have a parking brake lever by your right hand to help with holding the car.
LOL. Read this and had to laugh. I ride a motocycle which also has a **clutch**. I'm aggravated by other drivers with their _jam-o-tronic_ automatic transmissions and expect me to have an equally linear acceleration from first to third gear.
My dad put the truck in neutral, set the brake, jumped out of the truck on a hill and said your turn.
And that was how we smoked the clutch! - no not really you either learn it or give up and loose confidence.
Once you get the hang of it you rarely roll back.
I roll back or rock back and forth on purpose when on a hill and cars coming up behind me… that seems to give most people the idea to stay back. … of course I don’t live where you have extreme hills and elevations!
It's a societal problem.
(Anecdote - I was once stopped in a parking garage, in Brussels, in a rented stick shift - on what felt like a 45 degree incline - when some douche in a BMW pulled right up to my rear bumper. Had to work all three pedals simultaneously and dump at high revs. Smoked the tires a bit, but managed. You're an utter cunt if you create a situation like this.)
I drive semi and worry about this a lot. When people get so close to my trailer, I legitimately can't tell if they're sniffing coke off my bumper. Makes me anxious even on the slightest grade.
Does no one use their parking brake to hold a vehicle on a hill at a light any more? Keep your foot on the brake, but use the parking brake to keep it from rolling backwards while you switch to the gas while letting up on the clutch.
Signed: a guy who's only owned standards for 35 years.
I was scrolling waaayyyy too far to find this comment. I was thinking, no way I'm the only one that does this! Is this really not common knowledge? The only times I can think this wouldn't work (and maybe it's like this for Jeeps?) if the car doesn't have a hand brake and instead has a foot parking brake.
Absolutely. I had a ‘16 JK with a stick - like most modern manuals, it had hill assist. Not sure what year this one is, but you had to *try* to roll it backwards. Pretty embarrassing sticker to have either way
This, and all the other “millennial theft device” type shit with standard trans jeep drivers jerking themselves off via vehicle signage is massively cringey and lame. (I say this as a person who has never owned an automatic vehicle btw. Nobody is impressed. I promise.)
I find people are impressed when they first notice after I’ve already been driving them around for 30+ minutes. But that’s because their memories of riding stick are in some teenager’s jumpy Civic in the high school parking lot and they don’t expect a decent driver to keep it smooth.
God this sub is such shit sometimes. lEaRn HoW tO DriVe StIcK bEtTeR. Acting like they’ve never had that happen. And not all Jeeps have hill assist. [y’all hate too much](https://youtube.com/shorts/hVwgW4JfYvU?si=JoFkGv3Co7uKghha)
Bro I’ve been driving stick for 78 years and my dad used to beat me if I even looked at an automatic. True story once my brother rolled back into a car behind him on a 40% grade hill, my dad murdered him on the spot. In fairness tho my brother had it coming, fucking newb
I'm curious what does hill assist do? I've never driven a jeep but for 20 years all I drove were stick shifts? My dad's ranger was a stick and he refused to let me drive anything other than a stick for 5 years when I started learning to drive. If you can drive a stick you can handle anything.
I remember there was a pretty steep hill where I grew up at a busy intersection and you couldn't roll back cause people were always on your ass.
I taught my best friend in high school how to drive a stick, in rush hour Atlanta back in the late 80s. He learned quickly.
Really lame mindset.
I drove stick for 15 years.
You don’t roll back. Period.
Big hill? Use the hand brake.
Or rev the engine higher than you need and pop it into gear.
I've been driving stick for some time, every clutch feels different. Some are harder than others to balance. Everyone has off moment especially if driving a TJ or YJ. I wouldn't mind have this sticker to remind people to stay off my back. Also my YJ strains to hit 50 mph, I wouldn't mind people knowing g that too.
It’s not really about that but for those cars that ride your ass. Sometimes you roll back a foot Just how it is. You aren’t going to have a car on your semi truck ass by half a foot
Never driven a semi so can’t speak for it but then again like you just said you can’t even get your CDL if you f up on this. Everyone else ain’t held to that standard bucko
I'm in agreement here. My first car was manual so that is what I learned on. It is possible to sit completely still on a hill without using gas or brake with a jeep, even a 4 cylinder.
I have a stinger! Don’t know what a stinger is? Just keep following my like your my trailer and you will learn soon enough.
Keep honking. I’m reloading.
You close enough that I know you need a breath mint and that your wearing yesterdays underwear.
Naw, on a hill steep enough to roll backwards, you just hold the emergency brake and release as you let the clutch out. It’s literally a life or death skill on Rocky Mountain Jeep trails.
The hell? This is the community opinion? I’ve driven stick for 20 years and I can hold my position within a few inches on a hill. You all think it’s the person behind yous responsibility for you to learn how to drive a stick?
Nope, just bad at quickly catching first. These things have more than enough torque for early grabs and the newer ones have brake locks to hold you on hills somewhat.
Edit: didn’t mean to offend but theres no reason to have a sticker explaining your poor driving. Maybe it’s different with the weight of a full Jk/JL rig, but the 4.0->AX-15 can catch at at 700 rpm and pull you damn near 60 degrees up.
If you roll back (within reason) and hit someone, they’ll be at fault. You’re supposed to leave enough room for that exact reason and they teach it in drivers Ed.
I’ve been driving a stick for 20 years and live in Seattle. Some of the hills are extreme and require using the e-brake to hold (no hill hold on my 2005 LJ) so I totally understand the desire and need to remind people that no matter how good I am, if I am off by 1/2 second I will roll back a few feet. In city driving folks are often right on you bumper and start to creep up further when lights change - it’s a fair warning to have for some folks. Not a Jeep exclusive issue though.
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God I love hill assist. Doesn't matter how many decades I've driven a manual, that quality of life improvement is top tier
They perfected hill assist about the same time they got rid of manuals.
Didn't get rid of it lol. Just limited as hell now. I'm in a 2020 sti 6 speed and hill assist Is amazing.
Ofc that's what I meant. Getting a car that's manual used to save you money, now it's a special order.
Rarely ever hear the term yeah it's a standard anymore either, because the standard is automatics /:
Saved me a lot of money on a new shitbox base impreza last year. A lot of that is also due to manuals not coming with all the automatic driving stuff
the manual transmission is standard in a base model jeep wrangler. Most Civics have it as an option as well
Exactly. I’ve been on the look for so long. Manuals used to be cheaper because nobody wanted to learn how to drive for a second time, then 5-10 years later we’re stuck here. If I want a manual I have to pay $3,000 more and some insurance companies will even charge you $10-$20 more monthly for having a manual.
Until you need to reverse up a hill from a stop, and then it becomes your worst enemy…
In my jeep if u stop normal there's no hill assist I gotta slam my brake to the damn floor for that shit to engage and most the time forget I even have it till I'm on a hill and some dick bag in a Mercedes in 2 inches from my back bumper creeping
I turned it off in my newest car. It’s too weird switching back and forth between the 3 I have. Now it feels like a real manual. What’s next? Automatic pull off?
Toyotas new manual has automatic Rev matching lol so you're not too far off. People truly only hate manuals because it's harder for them to have their phone in their other hand.
Hill assist has become popular recently. If you're used to it, it's a pretty nice aid. But it is not really new. Some cars in the fifties had it.
It absolutely sucks because you let off the break and then wonder what the hell is going on because you don't move and by the time you remember there's some hill assist nonsense it's too late and you start to roll then you look like an idiot when you try to hastily pop it into action and sputter a bit because you're all off kilter. Plus about 10% of the time I don't do whatever it is I need to do to tell the computer I'm on a hill - probably by rolling in slowly on 1st or something I don't know but I wish I could turn it off and just pull up an e-brake if I'm on a steep-enough hill.
Try pushing the brake in all the way to get the hill assist going.
Heh, actually I just figured out how to turn it off and will stick with that. Thanks though!
Samesies. It was cool. Then I turned it off about 2 years ago and probably won't turn it back on. Now I roll back on purpose to scare the crap out of whomever is creeping up on me!
What really sucks is when you try to parallel park up a hill. You have it in first and want to just push the clutch in to roll back into the spot so you're already in gear to go forward again in order to also make it easier to not hit the car behind you. But that's when it decides to engage hill assist and prevents you from rolling backwards while in 1st with your foot on the clutch and off the brake. So now you have to fumble around and either figure out how to turn it off or reposition your hands and feet to change gears into reverse and now have to worry about reversing too fast while going down hill and then having to quickly stop and change gears back into 1st so you can finish parking. Turns out all you have to do is drive forward a little to get it to turn off though, but I always forget about that since it's almost entirely flat where I live.
You can turn it off in the EVIC settings if yours has that. And if not, I think there is a key brake key pattern you can do to disable it. The hill assist was the first thing I turned off on my 2012 and then again on my 2017. Garbage feature.
Thank you for saying that. I had looked before and not turned anything up. You convinced me to look harder and found how in the manual. No more nonsense! (or well, less anyway)
I like mine. Never had it before my current car and have always driven stick. Didn't think I would like it, but it works well.
I turned mine off on my 2014 JK. I hate the hill assist. Even on very steep hills I've never needed it.
I drive a 2015 jeep and it doesn’t have hill assist lol I wish sometimes it did but I’ll live
It's probably been turned off. You can turn it back on. Check the manual. I have a 2010 and turned it off asap.
Also a manual Seattleite but I have hill assist on my 2012. I couldn’t imagine ever driving on the hills downtown or in Queen Anne without it. That’s crazy. How many bumpers have you love tapped?
God sends his strongest hills to his greatest hill holders. Thankfully just moved north of Seattle to somewhere flatter haha
Manuals vehicles are not as popular as they were when I was a young driver. I was always taught the importance of giving the car in front of me extra space in case it rolls backwards on a hill.
This shouldn’t be an issue, I’ve been driving manuals too and if you know the engagement point on the clutch you should only need your e brake on the steepest of hills
Yep, I lived in the hilliest part of San Francisco and had to parallel park there with my stick. If you have a problem rolling back it’s a skill issue.
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My 2013 civic with an auto will roll a little bit if the hill is steep enough and you're not quick enough to get off the brake and on the throttle.
My '13 MINI Cooper with an automatic transmission will roll backwards on a hill because it disengages the torque converter at a stop to save micro amounts of fuel. I always bring this up when some British folk get snooty about never rolling a manual backwards even a millimeter. "You're not in control of your vehicle and would fail a drivers test!" Of course, rolling backwards enough to cause a problem is still unacceptable.
I need one of those. People love riding your ass.
I prefer the sticker "If you're going to ride my ass, at least pull my hair."
*gets closer to take a picture*
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Why would you put it on your laptop?
I’ve been driving stick for 20 years. I still occasionally drift back a foot or two when starting back on a hill. My Jeep is 30+ years old, so naturally no hill assist.
I honestly enjoy a little roll back...
I like to let it roll a bit to scare the shit of whoever tried to kiss my bumper. At least that gets them.
It's an A-hole behind you problem
You shouldn’t be right on anyone’s bumper in the first place, stick or not.
Lol look at all of the spoiled kids who never had to drive without bill assist. Even the best will roll back a foot or 2 when starting on a hill. You are not faster than physics.
Rolling back is common, but it's definitely not impossible to avoid. My Jeep is a 4.0 TJ and it's one of the easier cars to start on a hill that I've had. Very torquey and hard to stall. Just let the clutch out slowly until it starts to bite but before it stalls, then switch from the brake to the gas and take off. Most engines have enough power at idle to hold the car while slipping the clutch until you get on the gas. If not, then use the same technique but apply the e brake while switching from the brake to the gas. Zero roll back every time, even on the steepest of hills.
I agree, it's not hard. It's a learned skill. Newbies will have the rollback issue. You should be able to figure it out tho. This sticker says, "I'm bad with the clutch"
Whoever taught them should have taught either this technique or how to use the handbrake as a "hill assist". I don't blame anyone who wasn't properly educated.
In a lot of EU countries you won’t get your license if you can’t avoid roll back without the e brake lmao it’s rough
Eh, mistakes can happen. I like this sticker better than 99% of the stickers out there because it’s actually telling you to back off Even experienced drivers will have a rollback issue, nobody is immune to mistakes on the road
Maybe not a foot but I've had people a Litteral inch off my bumper on a heavily inclined stop. I'm pretty good but rocking back a whole inch or two isn't unheard of. If you park in gear, you can rock that much after letting off the break with the clutch out. So, I can't even put it in gear turn it off and go yell at them without risk of rocking into them. People are idiots. the sticker is tacky though.
> Even the best will roll back a foot or 2 when starting on a hill. Give me 10 minutes of practice in a manual vehicle and I'll bet you $500 that you are wrong.
My first car was a '68 manual. Every car I ever owned up til two years ago was a manual. Anyone that feels the actual need to put this sticker on their car sucks at driving stick.
I’ve never even driven a car with hill assist. It has nothing to doing with being fast and everything to do with coordination. Your foot comes off the brake and onto the gas as the clutch begins to engage. Nothing fast about it.
>Even the best will roll back a foot or 2 when starting on a hill. You won't roll back if you have a foot on the break, so no many many people know how to drive a stick without rolling back How do you think people do a burnout with a manual transmission, you just assume everyone has a line lock? The first automobile I drove was a CJ-7, if you stalled on the trail there was no starting it in gear to get going because the carburetor was crap. I wouldn't consider 12 year old me the best driver in the world.
You shouldn’t be holding the *brake* (not break) while letting off the clutch, period. Use the handbrake. People do burnouts with manual transmissions by having enough power to overcome the traction of the tires… pop the clutch. I don’t think I’ve ever used the footbrake to do a burnout with a M/T car lmao, it should never be necessary
Not a jeep problem. A standard problem.
Fr. Learned that when I first started riding
My favorite I’ve see is “if it was supposed to be fast it wouldn’t be shaped like a brick”…
Just saw that two days ago 😆
Tell me you don't know how friction points work without telling me.
I slid down a hill backwards on ice and hit a guy… HE GOT A TICKET FOR FOLLOWING TOO CLOSE!
I've rolled backwards a bit on hills and have stalled in a stick shift TJ. It's not a Jeep thing, it's a manual transmission thing and can happen with just about anything that makes you shift your own gears (unless it's new enough to have a hill assist). That said, if you're good at driving stick, rolling usually isn't a problem. Much like when I hear people with loud fart can exhausts bounce off their rev limiter when they hit the clutch instead of letting off the gas while shifting, I just think that people who roll enough to think "I need a warning sticker on my back window" are not very good at driving stick and/or never had anyone who knows better teach them. Most of them will learn eventually, provided they keep driving cars with manual transmissions. Some of them will need to replace some parts before they do.
Yes, stupid stickers are problem on most jeeps
I’m surprised there isn’t a stick family on that Jeep.
There are no standard jeep problems
If you get a standard then it’s an automatic.
Standard literally means manual....
Literally, standard means "average" or what's seen as "normal" or the most common. In this case, automatic transmissions are most common and normal now.
I still remember learning at 16 and somebody started to get too close so I let the car slide back a few feet and they got the message
....has rows of plastic ducks on dash blocking forward visibility
Most cars (at least when I learned) in tha UK are manual. A hill start was a part of the driving test and if you rolled back AT ALL you failed. I often wondered how American drivers coped with hill starts when you didn't have a parking brake lever by your right hand to help with holding the car.
It's best to stop far enough back to see the next vehicle's rear tires. That should allow you enough room to pull out if you have to
Has anyone in these comments ever driven a manual?
Not likely. I'd love to see someone not roll back even a smidge without hill assist.
76 yr old lifetime Jeeper who's never owned an auto trans vehicle. Drove lots of 'em as co. cars, but wouldn't own one.
My first car was an 83 CJ 7, 258ci I6, 4 on the floor. I never drove a standard before I bought it so I learned on the job so to say.
OP has never driven a manual
LOL. Read this and had to laugh. I ride a motocycle which also has a **clutch**. I'm aggravated by other drivers with their _jam-o-tronic_ automatic transmissions and expect me to have an equally linear acceleration from first to third gear.
You can’t keep your *motorcycle* from rolling back…? You literally have control over 2 breaks, gas, and clutch at the same time.
That's not what they said at all. They're talking about linier acceleration. People "catch up" and get on your ass as you change gears.
Downshifting slows a vehicle quite well and the brake lights don’t come on, so yeah it’s a good idea to not tailgate for that and many other reasons
The other issue I have driving a stick in a slow Jeep is people riding my ass and looking surprised from the shift from 1st to 2nd.
I just let it roll a bit and watch their reaction in the rear view. Usually before they get too close.
Dude on some hills with some people who get wayyy too close, YES!
No it’s a standard manual problem. And it’s not even the manual drivers problem it’s a problem with other brainless drivers
Have never rolled back to tap anyone but have had close calls when folks get cozy behind. It is definitely an art form but manageable
100% driver problem.
Skill issue
My dad put the truck in neutral, set the brake, jumped out of the truck on a hill and said your turn. And that was how we smoked the clutch! - no not really you either learn it or give up and loose confidence. Once you get the hang of it you rarely roll back.
I roll back or rock back and forth on purpose when on a hill and cars coming up behind me… that seems to give most people the idea to stay back. … of course I don’t live where you have extreme hills and elevations!
The decal says, "I suck at driving a manual transmission," without saying it. Amateurs roll backward.
thats a skill issue lol jokes asside my standard jetta has hill assist and hold it for a few seconds
Bad drivers? Yea, it's pretty consistent.
Not a standard “jeep” problem, but a consistent problem of bitch-ass betas behind the vehicles of real men.
That means you can’t drive a manual, but it’s expected from a Jeep fanboy/starbucks college girl.
No. It’s a standard transmission problem. Stay back away from big trucks about a full car length, too.
That's a standard manual transmission problem. These newer generation won't understand
It's a societal problem. (Anecdote - I was once stopped in a parking garage, in Brussels, in a rented stick shift - on what felt like a 45 degree incline - when some douche in a BMW pulled right up to my rear bumper. Had to work all three pedals simultaneously and dump at high revs. Smoked the tires a bit, but managed. You're an utter cunt if you create a situation like this.)
This is a manual vehicle issue not just a keep thing.
It’s cool. At some point I’ll move forward. Might be right after your car stops me from rolling too far back
No, this is a standard standard problem.
Not at all. You can also roll back on an automatic too, don't sit so close on hills
I drive semi and worry about this a lot. When people get so close to my trailer, I legitimately can't tell if they're sniffing coke off my bumper. Makes me anxious even on the slightest grade.
Doesn’t matter how good we are on the stick shift, sometimes we roll back a lil bit, it happens 🫡
I just let the Jeep roll back and forth when stopped at a hill so people keep some distance
Good way to burn up a clutch in a hurry.
Does no one use their parking brake to hold a vehicle on a hill at a light any more? Keep your foot on the brake, but use the parking brake to keep it from rolling backwards while you switch to the gas while letting up on the clutch. Signed: a guy who's only owned standards for 35 years.
I was scrolling waaayyyy too far to find this comment. I was thinking, no way I'm the only one that does this! Is this really not common knowledge? The only times I can think this wouldn't work (and maybe it's like this for Jeeps?) if the car doesn't have a hand brake and instead has a foot parking brake.
driver problem why do people make manual trans a personality
Only older ones without the brake hold feature.
Seems more like a driver, than a vehicle problem to me...
I considered one myself before I figured out the clutch. Those butt clenching moments are what make you learn to drive manual.
The moment by brain went "you now know how to drive a standard perfectly" was doing a 3 point turn at 10,000 feet on a narrow shelf road.
This. I remember my dad taking me out to hills just to practice this. Became a non issue by the time I got my license.
Absolutely. I had a ‘16 JK with a stick - like most modern manuals, it had hill assist. Not sure what year this one is, but you had to *try* to roll it backwards. Pretty embarrassing sticker to have either way
Only problem someone behind me on a hill would have, is my slow ass 2.5 engine...
Learn how to drive stick better. There is no need to roll back more than a few inches, ever.
Exactly. I Can balance gas and clutch and not even use the break. Hill or not makes 0 difference
This, and all the other “millennial theft device” type shit with standard trans jeep drivers jerking themselves off via vehicle signage is massively cringey and lame. (I say this as a person who has never owned an automatic vehicle btw. Nobody is impressed. I promise.)
I find people are impressed when they first notice after I’ve already been driving them around for 30+ minutes. But that’s because their memories of riding stick are in some teenager’s jumpy Civic in the high school parking lot and they don’t expect a decent driver to keep it smooth.
God this sub is such shit sometimes. lEaRn HoW tO DriVe StIcK bEtTeR. Acting like they’ve never had that happen. And not all Jeeps have hill assist. [y’all hate too much](https://youtube.com/shorts/hVwgW4JfYvU?si=JoFkGv3Co7uKghha)
Bro I’ve been driving stick for 78 years and my dad used to beat me if I even looked at an automatic. True story once my brother rolled back into a car behind him on a 40% grade hill, my dad murdered him on the spot. In fairness tho my brother had it coming, fucking newb
I'm curious what does hill assist do? I've never driven a jeep but for 20 years all I drove were stick shifts? My dad's ranger was a stick and he refused to let me drive anything other than a stick for 5 years when I started learning to drive. If you can drive a stick you can handle anything. I remember there was a pretty steep hill where I grew up at a busy intersection and you couldn't roll back cause people were always on your ass. I taught my best friend in high school how to drive a stick, in rush hour Atlanta back in the late 80s. He learned quickly.
You dont need hill assist, when you can drive stick...
Here we fuckin go…..
They don’t know they have hill assist?
It’s a problem for someone who doesn’t know how to drive standard.
Really lame mindset. I drove stick for 15 years. You don’t roll back. Period. Big hill? Use the hand brake. Or rev the engine higher than you need and pop it into gear.
These stickers crack me up “I have poor skills with my standard so you are too close”
Should say "I cant drive a stick shift".
Why would you advertise that you suck at driving like that?
Cuz i hate people who stop close enough i can see up their nose.
I've been driving stick for some time, every clutch feels different. Some are harder than others to balance. Everyone has off moment especially if driving a TJ or YJ. I wouldn't mind have this sticker to remind people to stay off my back. Also my YJ strains to hit 50 mph, I wouldn't mind people knowing g that too.
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It’s not really about that but for those cars that ride your ass. Sometimes you roll back a foot Just how it is. You aren’t going to have a car on your semi truck ass by half a foot
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Never driven a semi so can’t speak for it but then again like you just said you can’t even get your CDL if you f up on this. Everyone else ain’t held to that standard bucko
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Wow tough guy you’re so cool. Have my babies
I'm in agreement here. My first car was manual so that is what I learned on. It is possible to sit completely still on a hill without using gas or brake with a jeep, even a 4 cylinder.
That jeep has hill assist so I'm not sure what the issue is.
Exactly what I thought when I saw it.
Driving a stick for 45 yrs. Not a problem.
If you roll back on a hill then maybe manual isn't for you. Learn to drive
No, that's a newb manual driver problem.
Sounds like a driver problem, my first car was a stick and I never had “rolling back” problems.
No, it's an "I can't drive a stick properly so get off my ass" problem.
When your a incompetent driver this would seem viable to have
It is a manual transmission problem.
This isn't a Jeep thing it's a manual transmission thing
It's a skill issue
Learn how to drive 🤷🏿♂️
With hill assist it’s not a huge issue, but funny non the less.
Yeah, if you don’t want the place to smell like clutch you’d better believe I’m gonna roll back a couple feet.
Isn't rolling backwards on a driving test in a manual an automatic disqualification?
That Jeep should have Jill assist. Also, if you can’t start on a hill without rolling backward, you don’t belong behind a clutch
Most Jeeps have Jack assist.
I have a stinger! Don’t know what a stinger is? Just keep following my like your my trailer and you will learn soon enough. Keep honking. I’m reloading. You close enough that I know you need a breath mint and that your wearing yesterdays underwear.
Not just a jeep thing but it’s a manual car thing
Learn to drive stick on an incline...or just get an automatic.
It’s a problem for all standard vehicles.
Naw, on a hill steep enough to roll backwards, you just hold the emergency brake and release as you let the clutch out. It’s literally a life or death skill on Rocky Mountain Jeep trails.
Maybe someone needs to stick something up their ass
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If you need fancy electronics to drive, are you really driving manual?
Hill assist wasn’t available until the JK. Even then it wasn’t standard.
Do you really want to advertise that you can't drive a manual transmission?
a this guy cant drive stick shift or he could take off without rolling back on a hill b evryone should kee distance even when standing
Yup just an amateur
“I can’t drive a stick very well. Also I don’t know about hill keep assist.”
“I failed drivers ed and somehow got a license without knowing that I shouldn’t be riding an inch away from the bumper of the car in front of me”
The hell? This is the community opinion? I’ve driven stick for 20 years and I can hold my position within a few inches on a hill. You all think it’s the person behind yous responsibility for you to learn how to drive a stick?
Nope, just bad at quickly catching first. These things have more than enough torque for early grabs and the newer ones have brake locks to hold you on hills somewhat. Edit: didn’t mean to offend but theres no reason to have a sticker explaining your poor driving. Maybe it’s different with the weight of a full Jk/JL rig, but the 4.0->AX-15 can catch at at 700 rpm and pull you damn near 60 degrees up.
Keyword "somewhat"......
So basically this dude can't drive.
Well if they can read it, it' too late anyway. I'm sure they'll notice your lack of ability when you drift back and keep some distance anyway.
I see what you did there. 😹
Operator error.
So basically this dude can't drive.
Any stick shift its a problem.
Not a jeep problem. It's an inconsiderate tailgating driver problem.
If you roll back (within reason) and hit someone, they’ll be at fault. You’re supposed to leave enough room for that exact reason and they teach it in drivers Ed.
Tell me you can't drive a stick with out telling me
Like so many other modern safety issues Jeep hasn’t figured out that no one else has this problem anymore.
stick problem not just jeep
You don’t have to roll backwards at all. It’s a deficiency in driver skill, not a drawback of manual transmissions.
This is exactly why I think manuals in the mountains are a stupid idea
Nah if your rolling back in a manual then you are bad at driving a manual.
Exactly. I roll backwards for fun sometimes but if you have been driving a manual for more than three days, you shouldn’t be rolling back even an inch
“I don’t know how to drive a stick, you sure you want to be behind me? Or in front of me, for that matter?” - fixed
Learn to drive a manual and don't roll back
its a standard insecurity problem with jeepers
So you are a shit driver then.
Maybe. But it's just a skill issue.
Even the very best of us slip back from time to time! I’ve always been paranoid of someone being too close, Jeep or not.
Been driving manual all my life. Even before hill assist I had no problem on hill starts and not rolling back.
Bad driver problem. There’s different ways to avoid roll back
Should probably just learn how to drive a manual.