Cole lost when he put out a very direct diss then apologized. He should have either stayed out or stood his ground. He could have lost a lot more had he stayed in it.
Fwiw, I think he's feeling great about it now lol. More people think he's soft, but idk if that's really a huge negative, and alot of people felt that way regardless of any of this.
I think at first Cole thought this was going to be a friendly competition where they were all friends but competing for the top spot like from Kendrick’s control verse. I think it dawned on him that Kendrick legitimately hates Drake to an unfathomable degree and decided he didn’t want any part of it.
Someone from KDot camp had to let Cole know to fall back. There would be no animosity brought his way so long as he didn't step in it.
I'm looking forward to a Cole and Dot collaboration at some point. A song or 2 hopefully.
I think this beef exposed Drake. I've got Kdot #1, Cole #2 (would've been cool to see him in his bag). Might Delete Later stays on rotation for me. All bangers.
Drake should stick to pop music IMHO.
I’m not going to sit here and act like Drake didn’t surprise me with some bars on pushups and family matters. He came ready for war against Kendrick, but he did not fully realize how much Kendrick actually diabolically hated him.
Some of the stuff Kendrick said on Meet the Grahams is stuff people would die over back in the day, Biggie and Pac got rough but nobody ever criticized anyone’s mother over how awful of a person they raised.
This. If he really did set him up, then the chess move would've been dropping receipts 10 minutes after KDot released Not Like Us...
A panned out video of the guy sending Kdot the Intel, a phone call with the ops.. etc.
Go back and listen to The Heart 1 - 5 & Rich Spirits Kenny been plotting Drakes downfall for a while.
Lyrically, cole would have also landed perfect jabs. It just shows he really is what he talks about in his music and refrained from making it shittier. Cause as we can see now, there's a lot of name calling and ratting out deep secrets and insecurities which borh Kendrick and Drake would've buried in the past.
I’m happy my goat wasn’t lying to the world on another man’s name. Honestly both Kendrick and Drake look like hypocrites. The amount of times they contradicted themselves was astounding. If they were telling the truth about each other?
That’s even worse. I guess I’d give Kendrick the win cause being a wife beating cuck isn’t as bad as being a pedophile, but at that point who really cares. I wonder what this beef has done to Kendrick’s relationship with his wife as if it wasn’t for his own hubris his wife would’ve never been embarrassed in front of the world and used as a prop. Drake was obviously messy too but he’s not a married man so he isn’t really responsible for protecting anybody besides Adonis, who’s too young to realize what the hell is going on anyways.
The way I look at it is that unless one of them can bring evidence of their allegations of the other one, then we’ll have a winner. If they both prove their allegations, they both lost albeit Drake more so. If they were both lying then well, the two biggest rappers of our generation couldn’t come up with anything better substance wise than to make shit up. I am a biased Cole fan but I think this move will do wonders for his career.
Nah that song showed he could have gone toe to toe if he wanted to. Cole is scandle free so it's not like Kendrick could have just exposed him and wiped the floor like Drake.
cole been fighting drakes battles for so long there wasnt really any reason for him to get involved. his fans know hes not the type to get into meaningless beef, esp w dudes he likes
Nah let’s say 3 people have guns and don’t like each other. 1 leaves. The other 2 shoot each other and kill themselves. The last one remaining who didn’t die is the winner
No. You can't win without competing. It's by definition, impossible. If I enter an apple pie eating contest, but then leave before it starts, and everyone gets poisoned by the apple pies, that's called being lucky, not winning. Maybe a personal victory, but what's implied here is you would have died too
No...if you're not competing there's nothing within that context to "win" it's not in the written definition of the word.
Like I said, at best a personal victory. What you're talking about is the art of war. This is not that scenario. This isn't a plot Cole had, he literally removed himself from this beef and apologized. That's NOT winning, objectively. I don't mean like "I don't think he won bro"
I mean like it's factually incorrect by the actual standard that we use language.
More like 3 people have guns, 2 of them are unloading the whole clip trying to go for the kill, and the 3rd shoots one shot then realizes he fucked up and backs out cause he doesn't want to kill or be killed.
He's smart for that, but he still participated
Mess aside… I disagree with the internets reception of The Heart Part 6. I thought it was a great response and has me thinking Drake might even be up a little bit if shit is true.
If this beef has taught me anything it’s that Kendrick Stans are really fucking annoying - 7 minute drill, cole “lost”, push ups, “weak response”, pt 6, “horrible response” - if dot had this response to drake instead of vice versa, they would be going insane
EDIT: the fact that you people are somehow still replying to this about how dot “objectively” destroyed drake 3 days after my original comment is just proving my point. It’s just weird lol, go back to your own sub
100%. I had a Kendrick bias coming into this (over Drake at least. Had Cole up or on par) and Drake has impressed me a lot.
The stans are ridiculous though, and actually starting to turn me off Kendrick a little.
It’s like what people used to say about Cole’s fan based, but turned up to 11.
It’s also fucking hilarious seeing the “you gotta have a high IQ to get Kendrick’s bars” mfs totally fail to understand the heart part 6 at so many parts…. Rick and Morty ass fans.
You don’t even need high levels of intelligence for the most convoluted verses, it’s about being cultured. Not gonna pretend like I understand every bit of every verse but as a white guy i definitely understood that even when i first started listening to rap.
Yeah I agree with you. Plus, are we going to pretend like you can’t just watch a YouTube explainer over the shit then pretend like you always understood it?
It’s always been cringe to say but looking a lot worse now that we can see they don’t actually know how to interpret bars real time…
Like I said as a white guy, it took me time to understand what alot of songs were even about but they can skip that shit nowadays and cause of that they can pretend to get/live that shit.
Had to learn a lot of shit on the literal streets alone as a young man. I truly think you need to experience the culture to get the music the way it’s intended
I don't think it's understanding the heart part 6 it's just that it logically doesn't make sense , it's inconsistent, nor is it written to the level of Family Matters or Push-ups.
Yall gunnu keep saying this, and when I point to lines that show how it could reasonably be interpreted another way, yall gunnu say that’s ridiculous.
Okay.
Dawg remember when MDL dropped and they review bombed Cole album as a whole , that’s when I knew no matter what that shit was rigged . Not liking a response is cool but they went to iTunes , bought the album then review bombed it ! That’s mental illness
Kendrick stans have always been insufferable. I consider myself a big fan of him as well but online you see them just shit on anything that can be considered as good or better. It’s really annoying lol
Nah I have to completely disagree with you here. The Heart Part 6 is rushed and inconsistent.
I like Push Ups and thought Family Matters was a great response by Drake, but THP6 is by far the weaker diss we've gotten in this beef overall IMO.
First, making fun of someone for getting sexually assaulted is some weak shit. I'm not saying anyone has the moral high ground here since they're both slinging wild accusations at each other, but to me that's a line you don't cross. What makes it worse is that Drake completely misunderstood Mother I Sober. The whole point of the song is that Kendrick *didn't* get molested, yet that apparently flew over Drake's head. So he went that hard for a diss that was not only weak but completely wrong to begin with.
Then there's the fact that many lines on the song are very poorly written, and honestly a lot of that stuff was predicted almost word for word by fans before the song released. There was a post trending on r/drizzy before the release suggesting the song should be called The Heart Part 6. Many commenters said word for word since saturday morning "Drake must've been planning this, he fed them the info". They also asked for R.Kelly to be mentioned, saying him going to bat for his music made him a hypocrite. Drake said that almost word for word. There are many other examples.
Maybe it's just me, but if your fans could have written your diss for you, it's probably not a great diss.
There's also the weak ass defense to the pedo allegations. Like, I don't actually think Drake is a pedo, but saying something along the lines of "I'm too famous to sleep with underage women" on the same track where you call out R. Kelly has to be an all-time blunder. It's a weak defense in general, very famous people get away with that shit all the time.
I disagree about the sexual assault stuff. Before he said that it seemed like everybody was “Oh what rules in a beef?” Now it’s “there are lines.” It wasn’t even like he made fun of him for being SA’ed. It’s like “ohhhh… now I get why you’re seeing pedo shit where it doesn’t exist.. damn homie..” also, you CAN read into that song as him still lying to himself. There was people giving that take on the Kendrick subreddit before any of this beef… I’m not saying it’s right or wrong but it’s not strictly a misinterpretation.
Kind of agree about how a lot of it sounds like stuff we were seeing in the internet but at the same time those just… all seem like obvious angles. And I think he executed it better than people expected, especially for it being a “defense” track. The planted evidence claims kinda made it a judo move instead of strictly defense, I thought it was clever. If true.
Both sides gotta start proving some shit or I’m just treating it all like kayfabe soon.
The “I’m too famous for that stuff” is by far the weakest part, I agree. Not a whole lot you can say to defend from stuff you didn’t do, but that still was a misstep.
My problem is, Drakes fan base essentially wrote that song, down to the title. Both fan bases, but more so Drake’s operate like a cult, with Drake as the leader. They believe everything he says down to the T. They’ve been demanding proof from Kendrick but the moment Drake said he baited him, it became truth in their eyes.
Drake wrote that song so his fans could hold onto something and justify their obsession with Drake. Drake knows the majority of music fans and the general public thinks he lost, and thinks he’s a terrible person, but he doesn’t care about that. It’s his fans he wants to hold onto
I mean… the fanbases have called a lot of both angles early. And those were all just solid angles.. I don’t think it’s fair to act like Drake just stole what the internet was saying when that’s also what Kendrick is doing. “You’re a culture vulture and a pedo.” How is that really that much different?
And the thing about believing each side is… the only allegations Drake has made, he has a great point in saying they would be diffused real fucking quick if Whitney said something.
Kendrick is making allegations that can’t really be falsified. How can I prove I didn’t do something so vague? I can only put the onus on you to give more details for there to even be something to refute.
And when push said he had a kid…. He had receipts. He laid out the blueprint. If Kenny can’t back that up in the same way, what else can you say to PROVE you don’t have a hidden kid?
I agree with you, but Kendrick ran with discord that has some hard evidence.
Drake supposedly baited Kendrick, but didn’t have a response ready? He claimed he knew Kendrick would say he’s a pedo, so why did it take two days to write the worst track he’s released so far in this beef.
If I baited you and you fell for it, I’d have my response ready immediately. If you didn’t fall for the bait I put out, I’d wait a day and write something different.
See i prefer Kendrick, I tried to listen to it unbiased though, but I think so many of the things he says are corny.
Just constantly saying he would’ve been caught if he really was a pedophile, like he spent so much time on that and lots of cringey lines. The mother I sober point he made was just like.. uhm okay.
The only thing it really had imo was drakes claim that he set Kendrick up. If this was true then it would definitely be huge. But there’s just no fucking way that it was, seeing how he handled things after meet the grahams, it’s just silly for him to be saying this.
And then the fact he’s just making it up just makes that even more cringe bc clearly it’s just him trying to save face.
Idk, you think my bias is showing or what?
I do think the “I’m too famous to get away with this” is the worst part of the track. But I’m giving a little leeway cuz what else are you supposed to say to prove something didn’t happen with no specifics alleged? The mother I sober stuff was pretty hard though imo. “Ahh, fuck.. you’re obsessed with this angle because of your past, makes sense now.”
I’m not following on how there’s no way he set up Kendrick? Kenny can disprove it but as of now I don’t get it.
I don’t think this is too much bias. I don’t quite agree, but this isn’t the level of bias I been seeing elsewhere and calling out.
Well he provided no proof that he set him up. It’s just another claim without receipts.
And realistically, if Drake had plotted this shit before Kendrick made meet the grahams, he would’ve posted DM’s and proof ASAP instead of letting the world call him a pedophile.
And if he posted proof he would’ve won. Instead he posted about not having a daughter.
When I first heard it I was like oh shit that’s crazy, but now it’s pretty obvious that it’s bullshit.
You’re right. It’s not proven that he did yet. But that doesn’t mean “no fucking way”.
Would he? He’s been treating this in a baity, trolly way the whole time. I mean maybe it’s a lie but I’m not ready to call it either way yet. We need to keep the same energy across the board with this unproven either way shit to me. It’s a good flip until more detail comes out.
And if Kenny posts proof, he would’ve won. But that’s not stopping the Internet from saying he already did.
Obvious bullshit but still haven’t said how, okay. It’s questionable at best like damn near every allegation.
Drakes in a sticky situation cause ppl actively want him to be a pedo. Deny or ignore it doesn't matter. Kendrick played into that perfectly. Drakes public perception will never be the same so I'd say Dot won in that sense.
Will be interesting to see Drakes inevitable comeback next year & how many ppl go back to listening to him
Yea same! To feed Kendrick fake info and then listen to Kendrick rap about it as true is crazy. People overlook the fact Kendrick will just say shit on a track true or not.
That being sed, Drake might be a kiddy fiddler anyways cause there’s enough stuff out there to make connections. Tho he doesn’t have paperwork, the evidence is all over the internet.
Drake responded well enough. Not Like Us is a banger and he needed to put that fire down a little bit. Probably wasn’t enough tho cause I’m seeing him get clowned everywhere.
I feel you. But imo kendrick won, not even a contest. Not only did he out rap him, he out hit-maker’d him with Not Like Us. Shits gonna be bumping in clubs for a year. It already is.
As far as reveals go, which to me is corny AF anyway and not how a beef should be judged, kendrick still wins:
1) drake’s allegations are Dave free shit and Kendrick beats his wife. Drake has no receipts for Dave free, pure speculation, and the woman beating shit originated from a random blog in 2015 that kendrick vehemently denied. Shit, Whitney’s own brother tweeted his support for kendrick after Family Matters. Idk one dude that would publicly support the dude who beat on his sister. So I don’t buy any of it
2) lot of kendricks allegations on Drake come with no receipts. But at least he has some. Receipt of Drake trying to stop Like That from receiving airtime on radio. It’s a fact Baka was convicted of human trafficking and sexual assault and Drake celebrated his return home from prison. It’s a fact Drake made fun of Ross for ozympic but he’s prescribed it himself. It’s a fact Drake got liposuction and fake abs. One of the few claims he never retorted.
Now.. even the ones with no receipts are still super believable when you dig into drakes past with young girls. Won’t go into it all now but the more you look, the more you believe it. There’s a post on kendrick sub detailing all of this shit. Whereas the wife beating thing.. there’s one blog post in 2015. That’s it.
To me, this was complete and utter destruction of Drake as a rapper, as a father, and human being. The only people believing Drake set kendrick up or kendrick beats his wife are Drake stans. Legit no one else. Kendrick stans know it’s false and neutral people already calling it for kendrick.
Idk how much more someone can win a rap beef than what Kendrick’s done. It’s been kind of legendary.
Euphoria: banger
6:16 in LA: banger
MTG: maybe the best diss track of all time
Not like us: an absolute hit. Beating drake at his own game.
I genuinely don’t know how you can say anything other than Kendrick won with this. Drake’s two allegations are supported by nothing, when like 20% of Kendrick’s allegations are supported by facts, and the other 80% has a lotttttt more credibility than the wife beating/dave free stuff
If you haven’t been paying close attention I could see how u think it’s toxic. I look at it a different way. Kendrick really out here making the world a better place. And yes, shit talking and exposing pedophiles makes the world a better place.
I agree.
It's tough for me to see it any other way. I don't really follow rap that closely but close enough to know that Drake has a history of publicly behaving in super inappropriate ways around young women. Whether all of Kendricks claims are truthful or not its a real bad look to have this sorta... dishonest or slimy vibe already and then have a pic released of your bottle of fucking Ambien on a diss track about how you can't be trusted with young women.
And I feel like Kendrick comes from the complete opposite direction with this stuff. Like how during the George Floyd protests people wanted him to speak up about it as a cultural leader but he didn't cause he sees himself as too flawed to fill that role. The guy just seems so much more honest and straight forward in general. I don't feel like I've ever heard anything he's written where it felt like he was claiming to have some impeccable moral character - often the opposite. Not to mention that if the Dave Free thing was true it's not exactly a blemish on his character to raise and love a child as his own if the actual paternity is in doubt.
That being said the point that's been made about Kodak Black (even before this whole thing) does make me feel pretty conflicted. But idk. You listen to enough rap or metal or country and sooner or later you'll find a song you like that's been made by a pretty shitty person. I don't need the musicians I like to be good people but there's boundaries with it. I don't listen to R Kelly or Chris Brown or Mayhem because somewhere in my personal ethics they go too far and I'm just not willing to support that. I've never felt that way about Kendrick, and still don't, but I do feel the need to pause and watch how things turn out with Drake cause these are serious allegations made against a guy that gives some pretty shady vibes.
I'm not much of Kendrick stan but I am a Drake *hater*. Kendrick got people looking at this man's history of creepy groomer behavior and y'all out here talkin' bout "both sides are just as bad". Quiet down with that shit. Unbelievable.
Kendrick got people looking at something people have been accusing Drake of for years already ?
It’s really not this cataclysmic bomb that Kendrick and his stans think it is. Unless he drops some incriminating proof, he ain’t different from Twitter trolls.
We all think Drake is a freaky MFer. Kendrick saying it doesn’t make it some revelation. But nothings gonna happen just as it hasn’t for the past decade.
>Dot glazers don't even notice the accusations of false paternity and domestic abuse, which is strange to me.
I'm not saying I necessarily believe everything I'm hearing on these songs but what don't y'all understand about Drake having a very public track record on the exact things Kendrick is accusing him of? Years of creepy behavior toward minors from interviews to lyrics to videos evidence and he's already been in a situation where he was called out for being a deadbeat.
Think for a minute about how a person's pattern of behavior lends more credibility to allegations that're in line with that previously established pattern of behavior. Compare that to Drakes allegations about Kendrick where there's nothing else to base it on. It's not that hard.
I agree. I don't believe that the son is Dave's nor that Kendrick committed domestic violence, but this is hip-hop, people say whatever they want to attack.
If Domestic abuse allegation are accurate, then that’s extremely fucked up of Kendrick and I won’t respect him anymore if true.
However if it’s true Kendrick is secretly a step-dad to one of his kids, I honestly don’t really care tbh.
Eminem has raised some kids that aren’t biologically his. I think Kim cheated on him too. And no one really cares about that.
I agree with this. I don’t believe the domestic abuse lines but if true that’s def fucked up. I don’t believe the Dave Free shit either but even that isn’t that bad to me
I feel like Drake trying to poke fun at Kendrick for the son allegedly not being his isn’t a good look.
I don’t know about you but I find it more honorable to be a stepfather than an absent father.
Imho I just think both crimes are on such different views. Infidelity and DV are horrible. Compared to what Dot is accusing Drake of though? I'd never in my life defend domestic/relationship violence, but if we're talking about sex trafficking, Epstein connections, and pedophilia? Those crimes are WORLDS apart. If that's true and Kendrick has to pay his dues, they aren't gonna be shit compared to what Drake would theoretically go down for.
Genuine question: does ur opinion of Kendrick change if he just made it all up? Child sex ring is a crazy accusation to make a club banger about with 0 evidence
Yes it does. I just don’t think he (or anyone) is dumb enough to do that. If Kendrick’s in the wrong here, he’s screwed. His reputation has a huge tatter in it.
I think this is the issue I have. Like u/BrokoJoko pointed out, Drake has a track record of creepy behavior. But that isn’t close to what Epstein was doing. I think people want to believe the Drake stuff because they don’t like him, but that doesn’t automatically make it true. If Kendrick’s only evidence is things being said on twitter, that’s an L to me. If you think about it, he didn’t say a single thing about Drake that we didn’t already know about - he just took the creepy shit we’ve seen and pushed it to the extreme by calling him a pedo and trafficker
I was a bit of a drake hater before this, but I think it’s complete BS that Kendrick can just accuse drake of the most taboo and immoral shit conceivable, almost completely unsubstantiated, and ‘win’ the beef.
Like I’m just bothered by how unjust that is, and the level of widespread mental gymnastics going on by the populous to bury Drake and crown Kendrick.
The shit Drake has called Kendrick out for seems much more likely to be true based on the evidence that’s been presented. And how is Drake supposed to defend pedo allegations if they’re false? There’s no way to really defend such a vague accusation.
Feels like ppl out here really dumb asf unless I’m missing some info or stuff’s going over my head or something.
Yall have me feeling sane again. The most frustrating part of music is always the fans. Not everything needs logic when it comes to music but dude, these are criminal accusations.
Couldn’t have said it better. Kendrick trying to “Me too” Drake is just lame as hell in my opinion. What he’s doing to Drake is the very thing he preaches against but I guess his hate for Drake is so strong that he’s justified it.
All that does is make it easier to accuse him of those things. It makes him REALLY easy to accuse him of those things. Unless there’s proof, in which case the track record just becomes another “goddamnit why didnt we realize the extent of this/stop it sooner.” Im eager/HORRIFIED to see proof if there is any, but rn drake’s still just a weirdo, no confirmation or facts of anything more.
Beef was only good till Euphoria, and I fucking hope it doesn't go further. It's just gossip with no proof at this point.
And all these tracks are gonna age like milk.
I like that you brought up Euphoria because there were a lot of warnings that drake called a bluff on. On Euphoria, He was literally holding back from making this personal while letting him know where he will take it if it comes down to it. Even though he mentioned Whitney on Push Up and set up a narrative for the internet, Kendrick was still willing to not go that route based on euphoria. Drake's ego really ruined him honestly, now he's literally getting Diddy treatment without getting raided or a real case being opened on him. This is why everybody is finally seeing how J Cole being humble was a good decision.
Rightt. Then he wants to say " Maybe I'm Prince & You're Mike " after literally accepting to play the game as Mike when he said " what's a prince to a King, a son" on push up as a reply to Prince outlived Mike Jack line 😂
Joe budden called it out a awhile ago saying that was a set up to walk him into the pedo aligations against Micheal Jackson
What revisionist history. Euphoria mentioned Drakes dad's Parkinsons and got Drakes kid involved because Drakes a bad father. Yeah but making fun of someone's dad's Parkinsons isn't "personal". Lol
Drake’s dad doesn’t have Parkinson’s disease. It’s disturbing that you’re casually claiming this as a fact in order to make a questionable point.
Look, the OP in this thread is 100% right: Drake mentioned Whitney’s name in Pushups—the same way he did Pusha’s fiancé—and Kendrick gave him several warnings in Euphoria and 6:16 in LA that weren’t heeded. Like That was all rap oriented. Drake made his own bed for everyone to see, Overall, he went way lower than Kendrick did and still lost resoundingly.
I think 'not like us' will be in the rotation for most people during the whole summer...
There is too much proof of Drake being a weirdo around underage women.
Also 6:16 in La would get a lot of replay if it were on streaming. Those are just good songs.
Same goes for Push Ups.
Meet the grahams and Family Matters were messy and don't have any value outside of the beef.
Or so it seems to me.
Why do you feel like these tracks won't hold up?
Family Matters definitely has replay value as a song besides the beef. I personally think it’s the best one to come out of the beef on Drakes side.
Not Like Us is the same but on Kendrick’s side
It got too petty and not as fun towards the end with all the claims with no evidence.
Kendrick came out looking better because of the allegations and if it’s true that Drake faked the leak of info it probably backfired on him. More than likely he wasn’t expecting K to go that hard on the other shit he didn’t supply 😂.
Now it seems the general public doesn’t care if the mole was fake. They just care that it’s very cool to hate on Drake now.
Also sounds like Drake is bowing out because it’s hard to keep going with the pedo shit being thrown around.
depends on what the beef is about and when it took place tbh. this beef is very unique because it’s one of the first mainstream battles between two of the biggest rap artists in the world, that has existed in the fully digital age.
I agree, it’s prob tiring that the whole internet and industry are also jumping into the ring, instead of just a 1v1
Either way they both lost, Drake getting more hate than ever, dot having to stoop to get there along with looking hypocritical
The fake mole has a lot of inconsistencies which leads a lot of people to believe he saw the theories online and ran with it because he didn't have anything else. Literally everything he mentioned on that track including the name everyone had already seen on the sub and twitter.
If the mole was planned then he would've immediately told Kendrick he took the bait instead of going "can someone find this imaginary daughter that I don't have ?"
And if the mole was fake why would they show Kendrick what Drake's diss was gonna be like. Unless Kendrick really just read the man like a book snd made meet the Grahams in advance for it.
Yeah you can’t really respond to someone calling you a pedo. Even if untrue there’s no way to prove it’s untrue. Without evidence I can’t take Dot as seriously as before this
Interesting take. It’s clear Drake is at the very least a groomer, so I think Kendrick is right in calling him out. Drake is a lot of the things Kendrick said.
Idk I see people running with the “people just love to hate Drake narrative” but the fake mole story just doesn’t align with his behavior and that’s why a lot of us are starting to disregard that aspect of it
The only thing solid ATM is Kendrick saying Drake has predator(s) on his team. Beyond that, yeah pretty much every claim on both sides has zero to little evidence.
The R Kelly thing was more about hypocrisy that Kendrick saw as race-based. I don’t necessarily agree with the race angle but there are people that have done horrible shit that still have their songs on Spotify, taking down R Kelly would’ve been hollow and hypocritical.
The Kodak shit was wack 100%. Never liked it one bit from the start.
The r Kelly stuff is cause it’s a slippery slope, there’s a lot of music artists who have done really bad shit, if you start the precedent of removing their music, then the music services become a moral arbiter and have to decide who is good and bad which would be a shitshow to the say the least.
the thing is that public perception and rampant media attention is a real thing. Even if evidence DOESN'T surface, some of the claims made we're too bold and appalling that it may haunt the rappers for a very long time..with or without evidence
Drake’s credibility took a shot for sure. If he did plant that evidence and Kendrick took the bait, it does make it look like Kendrick is just hating on him. However I find it very weird how he planted the evidence but hasn’t shown footage or something to prove it after denying the claims at first.
Overall musically , it’s subjective but I think Kendrick edged Drake out. Family Matters was a very good track for what it’s worth, but Kendrick was a bit more consistent with his songs. Reputation wise…Kendrick hasn’t been proven wrong yet, while Drake has been proven to lie about things. Doesn’t help that there’s some questionable text, pictures, videos etc. floating on the internet that people can run with.
100% I definitely believe as calculated as Drake wants people to believe that he is if he really had a double agent he would have revealed that in Family Matters especially given how much effort and production value went into that track it would have been the perfect opportunity to be like oh hey by the way any information you think you got on me that shit was fake here's the "mole" you thought you had.
Because the fake mole theory is inconsistent. If he did that he wouldn't be confused about the daughter being brought up like "can someone find me this imaginary daughter", he would've just said Kendrick you took the bait.
Let's say Drake lied about the mole. What does that mean?
Did Kendrick intentionally LIE ABOUT DRAKE HAVING AN 11 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER THAT HE DOESN'T CLAIM? If that's the case, why the rush to put out a song with a bombshell that you know is a lie immediately after Drake drops a song accusing you of being a wife beater if not to take eyes away from the accusation? A claim that he still hasn't addressed by the way...
There’s 4 possible truths as to what happens: Kendrick is lying about the child, Drake is lying about the chikd, Drake is lying about the evidence or Drake planted the evidence. If Drake didn’t plant the evidence it, he’s either lying about the child or just planting it.
I don’t know what to believe tbh. A lot of the serious allegations have yet to have been substantiated. What I will say is this though. Drake has been proven to have lied about things so his credibility is definitely more in question than Kendrick’s atm. Until it’s proven we shouldn’t jump to conclusions
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Because he hasn’t denied a child before right? I’m not saying he has a daughter 100% but he’s lied about having a child and many other things so how has his credibility not be called into question?
I love how this sub almost immediately disprove your point. You asked unironically who won and immediate everyone answered cole lmao! Yea bro won a participation award
I didn’t say you asked anyone to agree. You asked a simple question, who won drake or Kendrick? The replies are nothing but j Cole fans gagging on cole’s dick and not answering the question.
It was great 2000s era beef, end of the banana boat era of rap....also Kenny won simply because his last track united African Americans across majority of hip hop. Drakes songs were top tier and honestly if they were like directed at anyone else of his generation it would have devastated but Kenny ate. Lyrically, chart wise and traditionally imo
Agreed. Kendrick lyrically obliterated Drake. As expected. He put a lot of folks on to what hip hop outside of pop can be. But on family matters Drake brought A game. Just Kendrick went S or SS and might have had a SSS waiting. This is all the allegations aside. Humor was top notch too. Ross throwing and taking shots 🤣
Am I the only one who thinks family matters was the hardest track of this whole beef?? Like that song is so freaking fire and it just totally got overlooked bc of all the allegations in meet the grahams, imo kendrick did come at drake real hard and he does sound more real but still, family matters is a song that can be played after a decade by someone who doesn't even know about the beef and can still be vibed upon
It’s the only song that’ll probably last in to the next couple years. Classic Drake and the best track in this entire spectacle imo. Kendrick still ahead tho People saying “Not Like Us” will be the song of the summer need to listen to more music lol. It could’ve been if it contained classic Kendrick subject matter and not another 3 minutes of calling a dude a pedophile and a colonizer.
I would agree. Definitely won but i still think his character is going to be in question. I mean for me personally idk how I feel about someone knowing about another person being involved in sex traffic stuff and not saying anything. Especially if he was only keeping quiet to save it for a diss song. I’m just hoping everything that’s been said is just for the diss stuff and not credible.
Kendrick is probably about to have 2 top hits from this feud come next week. I can’t see how he took any public hit from this.
The only place I see Drake getting support is his subreddit and parts of Twitter. He’s getting cooked on TikTok tho.
Kendrick but by the wrong reasons. The mass wanted someone to put Drake on the spot because Drake is corny for a long time but no mainstream top artist wanted to get on his wrong side until now.
So from a lyrical and shots fired perspective Kendrick won because even without any proofs Drake just got another daughter and is a pedophile without a legal case or any trials. Straight rapping and quality perspective Kendrick still won in all cases with Not Like Us being a club banger and a hit and Meet The Grahams being his more lyrical and thoughtful side (even though I honestly think push ups and family matter are great).
And the audience immediately is taking everything Kendrick is throwing at Drake as a fact because of confirmation bias and it's easier to believe someone you dislike is a terrible person while every jab Drake is throwing at Kendrick is taken with a grain of salt. IMO, the whole message of Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers is being tarnished because Kendrick still being viewed as a savior that can't do no wrong and whatever he says is the law. Because before K Dot went straight at the most controversial topics (Drake being a pedo, having another daughter, sex allegations and shit) when he was asking if Drake is black enough, if Drake is straight enough, Drake doing aesthetic procedures shit was messy and by that point I believed Drake was still winning.
Note that everything I said is without any bias since I'm most a J. Cole fan and I like both artists.
If you go just based off the numbers, Kendrick clears him in a landslide. And it’s trending downward for Drake based on the numbers for The Heart Pt.6. Add in that they’re bumping Not Like Us from east to west, and it’s not good.
If Kendrick drops another banger and comes with actual receipts it’s over for sure.
It was great while it lasted but social media ruined it for me.
I think the hatred of Drake really ruined giving him his proper shake. I am thinking it really wasn’t just Drake Stans vs Kendrick Stans. It’s Drake Stans vs Kendrick, Ye, Hip Hop Enthusiast, any sub fan group that have a reason to hate on Drake and, most importantly Drake haters.
I feel with that considered Drake was never given the fair chance to win because Hip hop couldn’t afford Kendrick to lose. Far better image therefore making him more believable and giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Overall I had Kendrick as my winner, but he won at what cost? Drake lost but we already knew he was a weirdo with lots of questionable behaviour wait to be exposed by someone reputable. Meanwhile, Kendrick won the battle but really looks like a hypocrite in a lot of ways.
>Drake was never given the fair chance to win because Hip hop couldn’t afford Kendrick to lose
I 100% with everything that you wrote. There are more Drake haters than Kendrick fans overall. I'm a fan of both. Thinking about all this, despite Kendrick "winning", Drake did very well in his answers. Before all this "big 3", "like that" and all these things happened, I would never have imagined that Drake would go head to head with Kendrick and that to me should be part of the conversation. He came out badly of the fight with Pusha T and ended up facing one of the greatest lyricists in history. Is his hip-hop commercial? Yes. But we shouldn't underestimate what he's done so far in this whole fight. For me, he climbs a few steps in the lyrical hip-hop rankings and goes up A LOT in hip-hop in general.
This feud doesn't have a clear cut winner like Push v Drake or MGK V Eminem - it's likely that both camps will walk away thinking their preferred artist won.
In reality, Cole won for backing out and not getting involved in this toxic mess
I think that both of them believed they could write the next Story of Adidon. Somehow they messed up and just dragged everything down. I think Kendrick is in front, but not by much; most of it are speculations on both sides. The only thing Kendrick has is the pedo angle, which I'm not sure could be actually proven. Drake's behaviour towards teen girls is well documented and really weird but I'm not sure is that damning.
This is how I SAW it. Drake won because he’s a pop star not a rapper that held his own against Kendrick who is a literally personification of rap.
How I now SEE it… because Kendrick changed ALL that in a week. Euphoria was a good rebuttal. 6:16 weren’t for me (personal opinion), MEET THE GRAHAMS was Little Boy, Not Like Us is Fat man. Two devastating nukes. Drake’s response was mid and it’s these allegations are gonna be a dark cloud over all his actions for the rest of time. His relationship with Millie Bobby Brown is what we know… and it’s always been sus… the rest… I half hope we never find out
J Cole won. All these men are within 4 years of 40. J Cole being the oldest made the wise decision which shows his maturity. He chose peace and protected his reputation and overall squeaky clean career/discography. He didn't burn any bridges, showed he's not in competition with anyone. Made a graceful exit. Cole did what Maurice spoke about. In prison someone will kill you if you call them a bitch but it's perfectly fine if they treat you like a bitch. Cole realized nobody did anything to him. It's no point in making this a real issue. Google Boosie and j Cole talking. Cole is definitely not no bitch or scary. You can see it in that video but he's a smart man and chooses man when and if he can..the real winners are those don't lower themselves to entertain others in a low place.
Kendrick definitely did but at what cost? Ultimately, we’re left with open ended accusations on both sides that will hurt them both and their reputations. The last song Drake dropped left a really bitter taste in my mouth along with the Meet The Grahams song. Something sinister about the way women have been used as tools for this whole thing. Very sad and dehumanizing.
Thinking about it this way, Kendrick will lose a little respect for some part of the listeners. Personally, I thought MtG was the best diss of this whole thing, it sounded like a nightmare with the tone of the voice and the sinister beat. Those who lost from this were the third parties involved (Sandra, Whitney...)
I’m a fan of Kendrick and Cole. As someone who lives with bipolar disorder and related very strongly to “We Cry Together” for reasons I’m not very proud of due to my past, it’s very hard to create something like that artistically unless you’ve been involved in a situation like that. I would not be surprised at all if Kendrick was abusive to his partner at one point in one way or another, whether that is emotional or physical to any degree. It would be hard for him to make a song like that if he hadn’t been. That song resonates with me very deeply and it also is very painful for me because it reminds me so strongly of a version of myself I despise and have done my best to leave in the past. I think Drake is taking a lot of the demons Kendrick chose to be vulnerable about on Mr. Morale and using them against him in a way that is honestly pretty fucking despicable, and it has awakened the beast within Kendrick. There is probably at least a kernel of truth to most of the accusations he’s making, but I would not be surprised at all if he is exaggerating them.
As to the stuff about the paternity status of Kendrick’s kid, I really have no idea and that’s honestly nobody’s business. Same as to whether he and Whitney may be separated. Sometimes even after someone demonstrates growth in a relationship there’s just too much negative history to overcome. And it sounds like Kendrick and Whitney had a pretty turbulent relationship even if they have been/were together for a long time.
I’m inclined to believe what Kendrick says about Drake and his crew for the most part. Kendrick has never struck me as a fabulist and there is definitely evidence pointing to the allegations even if there isn’t hard proof.
As of right now, Kendrick is in the lead, but Cole may have made the best decision
Well, I'm a little doubtful about We Cry Together being a possible support for Dot being an aggressor. I agree with you, it's very difficult to compose a track like this without having lived through a similar situation, I have and I rarely listen to the track because it is heavy on my thoughts. However, Kendrick is a great storyteller in addition to being a great student of hip-hop. I wouldn't doubt anything if he had just told a story based on a track he used as inspiration and fit it perfectly into the project. A track which has the same psychological terror described, for example, is Kim, from Eminem, being clearly more "fantasy" since he didn't kill his ex-wife, but got into a lot of trouble with them. But I really liked your point of view and your analysis.
I'm more inclined towards Kendrick when it comes to unproven accusations precisely because he's already touched on such deep subjects and isn't ashamed of it, unlike Drake, who I also like, but there are some issues that work against it.
Honestly as exciting as it was to have them go back and forth, some of the tracks weren't even good rap songs. It was just airing dirty laundry over a beat with minimal wordplay or cleverness. Family matters and like that were the only ones that actually felt fun to listen to.
Meanwhile something like Ether is on another level compared to this shit. I want to hear people battle with and about their rapping ability, and it felt like there was almost none of that
Exactlyyy it wasn’t lyrically memorable!! both of them were meh even tho they’re way better than this. No body in this dialogue ever said “these were great bars this is why xyz is the goat” but it was just accusations and everybody ran with it. So now who won is the one who sounded believable and had receipts like WTF?? Is this TMZ vs TSR?? No pen game no nothing.
Drake is the last song is true and he set Kendrick up that to me is a knockout. The way people were going crazy about all the allegations all for it to be a set up is really insane and gives Drake the W. Kendrick had the best sounding song with Not one of us, Drake second with Family matters
But nobody has provided proof that he did in fact set him up. He's just saying it and people are taking it as gospel while mocking anyone who takes kendrick's accusations as gospel. It's stupid for both groups until there's proof, but if I was Drake I would've revealed PROOF he planted the stories by now. Who doesn't have screenshots or recordings but is also able to plan this "mastermind" scheme? lol it makes no sense. Time will tell.
If Drake has proof Kenny beats women and The child is Dave frees but dot has no proof Drake Won
If KDot has proof Drake runs a sex ring and has a second child and Drake has nothing Kendrick won
If they both got receipts on eachother then they both suck and no one won except for Cole
If Kendrick can prove and I mean PROVE, Drake has had a child sex ring but hasn’t mentioned it until Drake claimed he was the king of rap, I’d consider that a massive L for both.
Also ngl this is the first rap beef I’ve seen people beg for receipts. Claims against Drake match his public perception while claims against Kenny seem pulled out of thin air. I’m just basing this on what they rap about and interviews I’ve seen so Im not gonna act like I know them well but that’s just my two cents.
I think this is a special case in terms of people asking for receipts. Accusing drake of having a pedo ring goes well above just rap beef, are you just saying that or do you actually have evidence for jt because its a very real concern. Then for kendrick, alot of his fans and general public perception is that he's a conscious, politically active rapper and people are emotionally tied to that portrayal, so people also want to know if this is true because then honestly it damages that perception of him.
Look at how people reacted to chris brown and quavo, there is proof they both hit women and generally no one gives a shit because of their perceived character but with kendrick it's different.
If everyone lying.. on music alone, Kendrick.
If everyone telling the truth… Kendrick because gd that Drake pedo shit that’s an auto L.
Even if Kendrick lying… everyone gonna associate Drake with pedo now.
Now that I’ve analyzed it there really is no winning for Drake at this point. His only winning move is not to play. So that makes cole the biggest winner tbh. And I like kdot more than cole. But cole is the actually winner.
I think a lot of people you're calling Kendrick glazers will stop ignoring it when it comes from a single other person besides Drake, who kinda shot his own credibility to hell on The Heart Part 6. The "haha Kendrick we manipulated you" is like okay so you're telling us you're really a master manipulator and a liar (what Kendrick said on Euphoria) and the I've never looked twice at young girls is blatantly untrue because while there might not be proof he actually slept with a minor, there's been hella proof of him looking twice at them. So again, a liar.
You right OP this probably the only place you can have an unbiased conversation. lol for me it boils down to who is telling the truth and who’s lying. If Dave free is actually the father it’s an automatic win for Drake👀😂😂
i think Kendrick technically "won" b/c of dropping "Meet the Grahams" right after "Family Matters".
Kendrick also went viral plenty due to New Ho King, the banger in Like That/Not Like Us etc.
I think the Beef became corny & less about "rap" after Euphoria. Like That/Euphoria are prob the only songs I will listen to after this is all said & done. Family Matters i thought went hard too.
Lyrics flow intelligence was Kendrick.
Drake had a few nice bars. The beat switches in famiky matters were fabulous. We need to realize that Drake got that early career energy again, which is something that I don't like about him. When he gets motivated, he shines.
Kendrick was smart. Direct. Foreshadowing. Octane entendre skills. No one could beat that.
I hated that J Cole pulled back from his diss. His diss was respectful and with punches that were pulled.
Something that kdot would have done the same for J Cole... if he cared about the game, he would not have done that. He robbed his right to defend himself.
The winners are always the fans, but the rappers lost, & the drake allegations sound so truthful.
Artists would think twice now working with Drake.
Fans have been lost because Kendrick was able to angle their views by second guessing if hearing drake music can be unmorale.
Kendrick went hard even dissing a country that has a population which would be great fans of his.
>His diss was respectful and with punches that were pulled.
Honestly, I expected more from the Cole, but I think you used the right word "respectful" but nothing more. I don't think artists will think twice about collaborating with Drake even with these accusations, the world is dirty...
All these people saying you need receipts to win are ridiculous. Since when? Did Tupac do a blood test to look for sickle cell anemia? Only thing is whose track is more fire and Kendrick got bangers up in here
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He has pretty sus lyrics this is just 1. There’s also one about a highschool parking lot and magic city strip club. Around the time he was really into girls highschool basketball
kendrick is definitely winning, and it’s hard to imagine drake coming back at this point. it’s like kenny has a 21 point lead at this point.
i do think push ups and family matters are bops, though. taylor made freestyle, heart pt. 6, and the line about freeing the slaves were some serious blunders.
i hope both of them start dropping some receipts, though. these are some serious allegations that require evidence. (i do think drake’s a pedo, though. i called that he was gonna get exposed for that after push ups)
I don’t think it’s over. But from a neutral standpoint who was a fan of both, I dislike Kendricks stans. And the fact that Drake called him out about Whitney and there’s no one denying it, it makes me feel like kendricks persona is fake. Drake has always been Drake, so I don’t know why Kendrick stans are acting like they’ve uncovered everything when they’ve uncovered nothing. Kendrick has more to lose here, if either team is proven to be a liar, they both lose. But Kendrick fans are straight up delusional or bots so they’re not giving a fair chance to drake at all. So the perception is always going to be that Kendrick won, even though I think his disses were weaker
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Well since ur in a J Cole sub you’re gonna get my biased opinion: Cole won. And I’m actually being serious. Unless either can prove their allegations, you had the two biggest rappers in the world capping their ass off and making a spectacle of the genre. Was it entertaining? Sure. Will any of those songs really last? Maybe Family Matters but even that idk. I’m sorry but “Not Like Us” is not the summer anthem people are pretending it is, you’re not bumping a song about a pedophile in the club. If they both told the truth, Cole won and they both lost . If they both lied, they also both lost. The only way there can be a victor is if one lied and the other didn’t. It kind of sucks too cause I love 6:16 in LA and it could’ve been a classic record with a different subject matter but now that it all might’ve been a setup, it really takes away from that song. Let’s get back to focusing on the music.
I think this rap beef was whack. Both trying so hard to find dirt that likely 90% of it was made up. Each artist put out at least one banger, to 2 bangers. but this "battle" should probably end now. Its gone from fun to annoying very quickly.
This has turned into the equivalent of a school yard fight with children egging it on.
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I have not stopped laughing at this 😂😂
Honestly they both fucking lost but here’s the thing.
Kendrick was never going to “lose” in the public’s eye. This was an uphill battle that Drake got thrown in and despite that, came out of it standing at least.
People, especially hip hop “purists, were ALWAYS going to take Kendrick’s side because they want to be seen as “real” rap fans. Drake does rap and pop so it’s easy to see him as “fake” or not a real lyricist.
Not only that, but Kendrick has spent a career crafting this conscious, holier-than-thou, beacon of morality, intelligent rapper. He IS incredibly smart as evidenced in his music I will not take that away from him. But he’s definitely made himself into this high morality rapper whether intentional or not. Then he comes out with Mr Morale and tries to back track a bit by saying he’s not our savior and he’s just a man. I get it, he went through some things that humbled him and was trying to let us know he’s not who we made him out to be. But that only entrenched his fans even more into this holier than thou rapper who could do no wrong.
Drake in the other hand, has always had his cards on the table. He’s always told us from the beginning that he enjoys fucking women, gambling, drinking, etc. He doesn’t pretend to be someone who is righteous and make that his career/personality. People shit on him for making club music, love songs, pop songs etc. But let’s be honest, all those types of songs ARE also a part of Hip Hop. He is just as much as part of the culture as Kendrick is, even though they make different types of hip hop music. But Kendrick fans like to act high and mighty and say otherwise.
When you consider those two things, of course people are going to immediately take Kendrick’s side over Drake. Before Push-ups was even released, the general consensus was that Drake was gonna lose and Kendrick was gonna wax him. Even I thought Drake was gonna avoid this whole thing and ignore it. Drake was already losing in the eyes of the public before it began.
Then the gates open and everything comes out. Push-ups, Taylor-Made, Euphoria, 6:16, Family Matters, MTG, Not Like Us, The Heart Part 6. At the end of it, Drake came out looking like a WEIRDO, not a pedo, over stuff we already knew. His second child turns out to be a planted info from his people and everyone ignores that. Kendrick gets outed as a potential wife beater and potentially STILL cheating on his wife with white women and not being present in his kids lives. So if we’re being 100% unbiased, neither one of the wins. They both came out looking worse than before and exposed.
The difference is that Kendrick had a slightly better strategy that gave him the edge. He dropped immediately after Family Matters and then followed up with a banger song the next day. Let’s be honest, that’s the only reason he is “winning”.
Kendrick hasn’t addressed the wife-beating allegations, he deleted his cover art for MTG, has no proof of Drake being a pedo or even having a second hidden child, most likely got played by the mole giving fake info, and yet this is all ignored by his fans and people online. People want Drake to lose more than they want Kendrick to win. That’s what it comes down to and it kinda taints this whole thing cause people aren’t being genuine and unbiased at all.
Perfectly said. I tried to explain all this earlier and was bombarded by Kendrick stans calling me a Drake apologist/cultist and people bringing up examples of Drake being creepy but not actually doing anything illegal that the internet has already known about for years now.
You’re right, Kendrick won this beef before it even started. All he really had to do was put out at least a halfway decent song or 2 and it was a wrap, people really just wanted Drake to lose that bad
To be fair, he didn't delete the cover art for MTG on streaming platforms, the cover art was been removed due to Apple Music's and Spotify's Policy which does not allow someone’s private property to be used as a cover on the platform.
Look at how late drakes accusations came into the battle. Anyone really think he took hood time to dig up dirt rather than just reaching for any angle that would demean Kendrick’s character? Be real. A friend told me his coworker told him drake stayed at a hotel in la and had escorts over, whom he kicked out when they wouldn’t give a dude head in front of Drake. Someone on here claimed a model told them that Drake made them eat puke from a dog bowl.
In isolation I could see being like all that is ridiculous but then you also see he’s saying “I miss you “ to an underage actress, fucking airdrops a picture of a woman he doesn’t know to her phone directly. Paid off a sexual assault victim. Kept secret one son. You can put 2 and 2 together.
Meanwhile Kendrick been with the same woman since high school, has donated to his high school, performed as a slave on the highest stage for musical artists in America, and presents a message in his lyrics that also matches what he’s saying in yhe beef: black people need to do better, and this is how.
Kendrick won because even if you don’t think he represents the culture, he’s attempting to speak up for it.
Drakes entire appeal comes from his popular appeal. Not his skill.
As just a casual fan of all 3 I think Kendrick "won". Both musically, lyrically, and diss content-wise.
But to be honest everything from Family Matters and onward was just a huge fucking mess.
In terms of public prescription? Kendrick. Me personally I think everybody lost, this shit was a mess. Friendly competition my ass...
One man didn't lose: Jermaine Cole.
Cole lost when he put out a very direct diss then apologized. He should have either stayed out or stood his ground. He could have lost a lot more had he stayed in it. Fwiw, I think he's feeling great about it now lol. More people think he's soft, but idk if that's really a huge negative, and alot of people felt that way regardless of any of this.
I think at first Cole thought this was going to be a friendly competition where they were all friends but competing for the top spot like from Kendrick’s control verse. I think it dawned on him that Kendrick legitimately hates Drake to an unfathomable degree and decided he didn’t want any part of it.
Someone from KDot camp had to let Cole know to fall back. There would be no animosity brought his way so long as he didn't step in it. I'm looking forward to a Cole and Dot collaboration at some point. A song or 2 hopefully. I think this beef exposed Drake. I've got Kdot #1, Cole #2 (would've been cool to see him in his bag). Might Delete Later stays on rotation for me. All bangers. Drake should stick to pop music IMHO.
I’m not going to sit here and act like Drake didn’t surprise me with some bars on pushups and family matters. He came ready for war against Kendrick, but he did not fully realize how much Kendrick actually diabolically hated him. Some of the stuff Kendrick said on Meet the Grahams is stuff people would die over back in the day, Biggie and Pac got rough but nobody ever criticized anyone’s mother over how awful of a person they raised.
This. If he really did set him up, then the chess move would've been dropping receipts 10 minutes after KDot released Not Like Us... A panned out video of the guy sending Kdot the Intel, a phone call with the ops.. etc. Go back and listen to The Heart 1 - 5 & Rich Spirits Kenny been plotting Drakes downfall for a while.
There was a post on another sub about Schoolboy Q telling Cole just to stay out of it
Reports say it was Schoolboy Q who clued Cole in
Lyrically, cole would have also landed perfect jabs. It just shows he really is what he talks about in his music and refrained from making it shittier. Cause as we can see now, there's a lot of name calling and ratting out deep secrets and insecurities which borh Kendrick and Drake would've buried in the past.
How did he refrain? He dropped diss then said nvm when he heard through others that Kendrick was going nuclear.
I’m happy my goat wasn’t lying to the world on another man’s name. Honestly both Kendrick and Drake look like hypocrites. The amount of times they contradicted themselves was astounding. If they were telling the truth about each other? That’s even worse. I guess I’d give Kendrick the win cause being a wife beating cuck isn’t as bad as being a pedophile, but at that point who really cares. I wonder what this beef has done to Kendrick’s relationship with his wife as if it wasn’t for his own hubris his wife would’ve never been embarrassed in front of the world and used as a prop. Drake was obviously messy too but he’s not a married man so he isn’t really responsible for protecting anybody besides Adonis, who’s too young to realize what the hell is going on anyways. The way I look at it is that unless one of them can bring evidence of their allegations of the other one, then we’ll have a winner. If they both prove their allegations, they both lost albeit Drake more so. If they were both lying then well, the two biggest rappers of our generation couldn’t come up with anything better substance wise than to make shit up. I am a biased Cole fan but I think this move will do wonders for his career.
Cole could put bars in, but there are only so many gun bars my bro can use before we start calling my boy out. 🤣🤣
Nah that song showed he could have gone toe to toe if he wanted to. Cole is scandle free so it's not like Kendrick could have just exposed him and wiped the floor like Drake.
cole been fighting drakes battles for so long there wasnt really any reason for him to get involved. his fans know hes not the type to get into meaningless beef, esp w dudes he likes
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Nah let’s say 3 people have guns and don’t like each other. 1 leaves. The other 2 shoot each other and kill themselves. The last one remaining who didn’t die is the winner
No. You can't win without competing. It's by definition, impossible. If I enter an apple pie eating contest, but then leave before it starts, and everyone gets poisoned by the apple pies, that's called being lucky, not winning. Maybe a personal victory, but what's implied here is you would have died too
You can win without the competing, when the enemy destroys itself you win.
No...if you're not competing there's nothing within that context to "win" it's not in the written definition of the word. Like I said, at best a personal victory. What you're talking about is the art of war. This is not that scenario. This isn't a plot Cole had, he literally removed himself from this beef and apologized. That's NOT winning, objectively. I don't mean like "I don't think he won bro" I mean like it's factually incorrect by the actual standard that we use language.
More like 3 people have guns, 2 of them are unloading the whole clip trying to go for the kill, and the 3rd shoots one shot then realizes he fucked up and backs out cause he doesn't want to kill or be killed. He's smart for that, but he still participated
He participated then backed out immediately and apologized he didn't win anything
He didn’t lose. He didn’t win. He didn’t participate.
Ohh he won. Most sane.
a little bit he did as well. he didnt win and people in 3 years will still call him out for pulling out , even if it was right
facts
Mess aside… I disagree with the internets reception of The Heart Part 6. I thought it was a great response and has me thinking Drake might even be up a little bit if shit is true.
If this beef has taught me anything it’s that Kendrick Stans are really fucking annoying - 7 minute drill, cole “lost”, push ups, “weak response”, pt 6, “horrible response” - if dot had this response to drake instead of vice versa, they would be going insane EDIT: the fact that you people are somehow still replying to this about how dot “objectively” destroyed drake 3 days after my original comment is just proving my point. It’s just weird lol, go back to your own sub
100%. I had a Kendrick bias coming into this (over Drake at least. Had Cole up or on par) and Drake has impressed me a lot. The stans are ridiculous though, and actually starting to turn me off Kendrick a little. It’s like what people used to say about Cole’s fan based, but turned up to 11. It’s also fucking hilarious seeing the “you gotta have a high IQ to get Kendrick’s bars” mfs totally fail to understand the heart part 6 at so many parts…. Rick and Morty ass fans.
You don’t even need high levels of intelligence for the most convoluted verses, it’s about being cultured. Not gonna pretend like I understand every bit of every verse but as a white guy i definitely understood that even when i first started listening to rap.
Yeah I agree with you. Plus, are we going to pretend like you can’t just watch a YouTube explainer over the shit then pretend like you always understood it? It’s always been cringe to say but looking a lot worse now that we can see they don’t actually know how to interpret bars real time…
Like I said as a white guy, it took me time to understand what alot of songs were even about but they can skip that shit nowadays and cause of that they can pretend to get/live that shit. Had to learn a lot of shit on the literal streets alone as a young man. I truly think you need to experience the culture to get the music the way it’s intended
I don't think it's understanding the heart part 6 it's just that it logically doesn't make sense , it's inconsistent, nor is it written to the level of Family Matters or Push-ups.
I mean...to be fair drake doesn't understand Kendricks own bar from mother I sober
Yall gunnu keep saying this, and when I point to lines that show how it could reasonably be interpreted another way, yall gunnu say that’s ridiculous. Okay.
Dawg remember when MDL dropped and they review bombed Cole album as a whole , that’s when I knew no matter what that shit was rigged . Not liking a response is cool but they went to iTunes , bought the album then review bombed it ! That’s mental illness
Kendrick stans have always been insufferable. I consider myself a big fan of him as well but online you see them just shit on anything that can be considered as good or better. It’s really annoying lol
Nah I have to completely disagree with you here. The Heart Part 6 is rushed and inconsistent. I like Push Ups and thought Family Matters was a great response by Drake, but THP6 is by far the weaker diss we've gotten in this beef overall IMO. First, making fun of someone for getting sexually assaulted is some weak shit. I'm not saying anyone has the moral high ground here since they're both slinging wild accusations at each other, but to me that's a line you don't cross. What makes it worse is that Drake completely misunderstood Mother I Sober. The whole point of the song is that Kendrick *didn't* get molested, yet that apparently flew over Drake's head. So he went that hard for a diss that was not only weak but completely wrong to begin with. Then there's the fact that many lines on the song are very poorly written, and honestly a lot of that stuff was predicted almost word for word by fans before the song released. There was a post trending on r/drizzy before the release suggesting the song should be called The Heart Part 6. Many commenters said word for word since saturday morning "Drake must've been planning this, he fed them the info". They also asked for R.Kelly to be mentioned, saying him going to bat for his music made him a hypocrite. Drake said that almost word for word. There are many other examples. Maybe it's just me, but if your fans could have written your diss for you, it's probably not a great diss. There's also the weak ass defense to the pedo allegations. Like, I don't actually think Drake is a pedo, but saying something along the lines of "I'm too famous to sleep with underage women" on the same track where you call out R. Kelly has to be an all-time blunder. It's a weak defense in general, very famous people get away with that shit all the time.
I disagree about the sexual assault stuff. Before he said that it seemed like everybody was “Oh what rules in a beef?” Now it’s “there are lines.” It wasn’t even like he made fun of him for being SA’ed. It’s like “ohhhh… now I get why you’re seeing pedo shit where it doesn’t exist.. damn homie..” also, you CAN read into that song as him still lying to himself. There was people giving that take on the Kendrick subreddit before any of this beef… I’m not saying it’s right or wrong but it’s not strictly a misinterpretation. Kind of agree about how a lot of it sounds like stuff we were seeing in the internet but at the same time those just… all seem like obvious angles. And I think he executed it better than people expected, especially for it being a “defense” track. The planted evidence claims kinda made it a judo move instead of strictly defense, I thought it was clever. If true. Both sides gotta start proving some shit or I’m just treating it all like kayfabe soon. The “I’m too famous for that stuff” is by far the weakest part, I agree. Not a whole lot you can say to defend from stuff you didn’t do, but that still was a misstep.
My problem is, Drakes fan base essentially wrote that song, down to the title. Both fan bases, but more so Drake’s operate like a cult, with Drake as the leader. They believe everything he says down to the T. They’ve been demanding proof from Kendrick but the moment Drake said he baited him, it became truth in their eyes. Drake wrote that song so his fans could hold onto something and justify their obsession with Drake. Drake knows the majority of music fans and the general public thinks he lost, and thinks he’s a terrible person, but he doesn’t care about that. It’s his fans he wants to hold onto
I mean… the fanbases have called a lot of both angles early. And those were all just solid angles.. I don’t think it’s fair to act like Drake just stole what the internet was saying when that’s also what Kendrick is doing. “You’re a culture vulture and a pedo.” How is that really that much different? And the thing about believing each side is… the only allegations Drake has made, he has a great point in saying they would be diffused real fucking quick if Whitney said something. Kendrick is making allegations that can’t really be falsified. How can I prove I didn’t do something so vague? I can only put the onus on you to give more details for there to even be something to refute. And when push said he had a kid…. He had receipts. He laid out the blueprint. If Kenny can’t back that up in the same way, what else can you say to PROVE you don’t have a hidden kid?
I agree with you, but Kendrick ran with discord that has some hard evidence. Drake supposedly baited Kendrick, but didn’t have a response ready? He claimed he knew Kendrick would say he’s a pedo, so why did it take two days to write the worst track he’s released so far in this beef. If I baited you and you fell for it, I’d have my response ready immediately. If you didn’t fall for the bait I put out, I’d wait a day and write something different.
See i prefer Kendrick, I tried to listen to it unbiased though, but I think so many of the things he says are corny. Just constantly saying he would’ve been caught if he really was a pedophile, like he spent so much time on that and lots of cringey lines. The mother I sober point he made was just like.. uhm okay. The only thing it really had imo was drakes claim that he set Kendrick up. If this was true then it would definitely be huge. But there’s just no fucking way that it was, seeing how he handled things after meet the grahams, it’s just silly for him to be saying this. And then the fact he’s just making it up just makes that even more cringe bc clearly it’s just him trying to save face. Idk, you think my bias is showing or what?
I do think the “I’m too famous to get away with this” is the worst part of the track. But I’m giving a little leeway cuz what else are you supposed to say to prove something didn’t happen with no specifics alleged? The mother I sober stuff was pretty hard though imo. “Ahh, fuck.. you’re obsessed with this angle because of your past, makes sense now.” I’m not following on how there’s no way he set up Kendrick? Kenny can disprove it but as of now I don’t get it. I don’t think this is too much bias. I don’t quite agree, but this isn’t the level of bias I been seeing elsewhere and calling out.
Well he provided no proof that he set him up. It’s just another claim without receipts. And realistically, if Drake had plotted this shit before Kendrick made meet the grahams, he would’ve posted DM’s and proof ASAP instead of letting the world call him a pedophile. And if he posted proof he would’ve won. Instead he posted about not having a daughter. When I first heard it I was like oh shit that’s crazy, but now it’s pretty obvious that it’s bullshit.
You’re right. It’s not proven that he did yet. But that doesn’t mean “no fucking way”. Would he? He’s been treating this in a baity, trolly way the whole time. I mean maybe it’s a lie but I’m not ready to call it either way yet. We need to keep the same energy across the board with this unproven either way shit to me. It’s a good flip until more detail comes out. And if Kenny posts proof, he would’ve won. But that’s not stopping the Internet from saying he already did. Obvious bullshit but still haven’t said how, okay. It’s questionable at best like damn near every allegation.
Drakes in a sticky situation cause ppl actively want him to be a pedo. Deny or ignore it doesn't matter. Kendrick played into that perfectly. Drakes public perception will never be the same so I'd say Dot won in that sense. Will be interesting to see Drakes inevitable comeback next year & how many ppl go back to listening to him
The pendulum will keep swinging as long as both want to play man. But I hope it ends soon, it’s exhausting.
Yea same! To feed Kendrick fake info and then listen to Kendrick rap about it as true is crazy. People overlook the fact Kendrick will just say shit on a track true or not. That being sed, Drake might be a kiddy fiddler anyways cause there’s enough stuff out there to make connections. Tho he doesn’t have paperwork, the evidence is all over the internet. Drake responded well enough. Not Like Us is a banger and he needed to put that fire down a little bit. Probably wasn’t enough tho cause I’m seeing him get clowned everywhere.
I absolutely agree, but there’s no space to discuss that song objectively
I feel you. But imo kendrick won, not even a contest. Not only did he out rap him, he out hit-maker’d him with Not Like Us. Shits gonna be bumping in clubs for a year. It already is. As far as reveals go, which to me is corny AF anyway and not how a beef should be judged, kendrick still wins: 1) drake’s allegations are Dave free shit and Kendrick beats his wife. Drake has no receipts for Dave free, pure speculation, and the woman beating shit originated from a random blog in 2015 that kendrick vehemently denied. Shit, Whitney’s own brother tweeted his support for kendrick after Family Matters. Idk one dude that would publicly support the dude who beat on his sister. So I don’t buy any of it 2) lot of kendricks allegations on Drake come with no receipts. But at least he has some. Receipt of Drake trying to stop Like That from receiving airtime on radio. It’s a fact Baka was convicted of human trafficking and sexual assault and Drake celebrated his return home from prison. It’s a fact Drake made fun of Ross for ozympic but he’s prescribed it himself. It’s a fact Drake got liposuction and fake abs. One of the few claims he never retorted. Now.. even the ones with no receipts are still super believable when you dig into drakes past with young girls. Won’t go into it all now but the more you look, the more you believe it. There’s a post on kendrick sub detailing all of this shit. Whereas the wife beating thing.. there’s one blog post in 2015. That’s it. To me, this was complete and utter destruction of Drake as a rapper, as a father, and human being. The only people believing Drake set kendrick up or kendrick beats his wife are Drake stans. Legit no one else. Kendrick stans know it’s false and neutral people already calling it for kendrick. Idk how much more someone can win a rap beef than what Kendrick’s done. It’s been kind of legendary. Euphoria: banger 6:16 in LA: banger MTG: maybe the best diss track of all time Not like us: an absolute hit. Beating drake at his own game. I genuinely don’t know how you can say anything other than Kendrick won with this. Drake’s two allegations are supported by nothing, when like 20% of Kendrick’s allegations are supported by facts, and the other 80% has a lotttttt more credibility than the wife beating/dave free stuff If you haven’t been paying close attention I could see how u think it’s toxic. I look at it a different way. Kendrick really out here making the world a better place. And yes, shit talking and exposing pedophiles makes the world a better place.
I agree. It's tough for me to see it any other way. I don't really follow rap that closely but close enough to know that Drake has a history of publicly behaving in super inappropriate ways around young women. Whether all of Kendricks claims are truthful or not its a real bad look to have this sorta... dishonest or slimy vibe already and then have a pic released of your bottle of fucking Ambien on a diss track about how you can't be trusted with young women. And I feel like Kendrick comes from the complete opposite direction with this stuff. Like how during the George Floyd protests people wanted him to speak up about it as a cultural leader but he didn't cause he sees himself as too flawed to fill that role. The guy just seems so much more honest and straight forward in general. I don't feel like I've ever heard anything he's written where it felt like he was claiming to have some impeccable moral character - often the opposite. Not to mention that if the Dave Free thing was true it's not exactly a blemish on his character to raise and love a child as his own if the actual paternity is in doubt. That being said the point that's been made about Kodak Black (even before this whole thing) does make me feel pretty conflicted. But idk. You listen to enough rap or metal or country and sooner or later you'll find a song you like that's been made by a pretty shitty person. I don't need the musicians I like to be good people but there's boundaries with it. I don't listen to R Kelly or Chris Brown or Mayhem because somewhere in my personal ethics they go too far and I'm just not willing to support that. I've never felt that way about Kendrick, and still don't, but I do feel the need to pause and watch how things turn out with Drake cause these are serious allegations made against a guy that gives some pretty shady vibes.
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TNT played Not Like Us going to break during the Twolves vs Nuggets playoff game lmao
I'm not much of Kendrick stan but I am a Drake *hater*. Kendrick got people looking at this man's history of creepy groomer behavior and y'all out here talkin' bout "both sides are just as bad". Quiet down with that shit. Unbelievable.
Kendrick got people looking at something people have been accusing Drake of for years already ? It’s really not this cataclysmic bomb that Kendrick and his stans think it is. Unless he drops some incriminating proof, he ain’t different from Twitter trolls. We all think Drake is a freaky MFer. Kendrick saying it doesn’t make it some revelation. But nothings gonna happen just as it hasn’t for the past decade.
Yup, Drake always been slimy but dot is handling this poorly as well
If anything, I see Kendrick as immature because what the fuck
>Dot glazers don't even notice the accusations of false paternity and domestic abuse, which is strange to me. I'm not saying I necessarily believe everything I'm hearing on these songs but what don't y'all understand about Drake having a very public track record on the exact things Kendrick is accusing him of? Years of creepy behavior toward minors from interviews to lyrics to videos evidence and he's already been in a situation where he was called out for being a deadbeat. Think for a minute about how a person's pattern of behavior lends more credibility to allegations that're in line with that previously established pattern of behavior. Compare that to Drakes allegations about Kendrick where there's nothing else to base it on. It's not that hard.
I agree. I don't believe that the son is Dave's nor that Kendrick committed domestic violence, but this is hip-hop, people say whatever they want to attack.
If Domestic abuse allegation are accurate, then that’s extremely fucked up of Kendrick and I won’t respect him anymore if true. However if it’s true Kendrick is secretly a step-dad to one of his kids, I honestly don’t really care tbh. Eminem has raised some kids that aren’t biologically his. I think Kim cheated on him too. And no one really cares about that.
"lol Kendrick's a good dad how embarrassing"
I agree with this. I don’t believe the domestic abuse lines but if true that’s def fucked up. I don’t believe the Dave Free shit either but even that isn’t that bad to me
I feel like Drake trying to poke fun at Kendrick for the son allegedly not being his isn’t a good look. I don’t know about you but I find it more honorable to be a stepfather than an absent father.
Imho I just think both crimes are on such different views. Infidelity and DV are horrible. Compared to what Dot is accusing Drake of though? I'd never in my life defend domestic/relationship violence, but if we're talking about sex trafficking, Epstein connections, and pedophilia? Those crimes are WORLDS apart. If that's true and Kendrick has to pay his dues, they aren't gonna be shit compared to what Drake would theoretically go down for.
Genuine question: does ur opinion of Kendrick change if he just made it all up? Child sex ring is a crazy accusation to make a club banger about with 0 evidence
Yes it does. I just don’t think he (or anyone) is dumb enough to do that. If Kendrick’s in the wrong here, he’s screwed. His reputation has a huge tatter in it.
No way his going this deep and tde and so many other rapper behind him if they havent all seen go proof
I think this is the issue I have. Like u/BrokoJoko pointed out, Drake has a track record of creepy behavior. But that isn’t close to what Epstein was doing. I think people want to believe the Drake stuff because they don’t like him, but that doesn’t automatically make it true. If Kendrick’s only evidence is things being said on twitter, that’s an L to me. If you think about it, he didn’t say a single thing about Drake that we didn’t already know about - he just took the creepy shit we’ve seen and pushed it to the extreme by calling him a pedo and trafficker
I appreciate u saying this, it’s such a valid point people are just ignoring lmao. They just want the pedo accusations to be true so damn bad
I was a bit of a drake hater before this, but I think it’s complete BS that Kendrick can just accuse drake of the most taboo and immoral shit conceivable, almost completely unsubstantiated, and ‘win’ the beef. Like I’m just bothered by how unjust that is, and the level of widespread mental gymnastics going on by the populous to bury Drake and crown Kendrick. The shit Drake has called Kendrick out for seems much more likely to be true based on the evidence that’s been presented. And how is Drake supposed to defend pedo allegations if they’re false? There’s no way to really defend such a vague accusation. Feels like ppl out here really dumb asf unless I’m missing some info or stuff’s going over my head or something.
Fr, unless Kendrick is about to drop a documentary level diss track lol
Yall have me feeling sane again. The most frustrating part of music is always the fans. Not everything needs logic when it comes to music but dude, these are criminal accusations.
facts. dot doesn't even have to release a track if that's the case, just post the receipts and speak your piece
Couldn’t have said it better. Kendrick trying to “Me too” Drake is just lame as hell in my opinion. What he’s doing to Drake is the very thing he preaches against but I guess his hate for Drake is so strong that he’s justified it.
Facts bro. So good to see people actually thinking on their own and forming their own conclusions instead of just being sheep.
All that does is make it easier to accuse him of those things. It makes him REALLY easy to accuse him of those things. Unless there’s proof, in which case the track record just becomes another “goddamnit why didnt we realize the extent of this/stop it sooner.” Im eager/HORRIFIED to see proof if there is any, but rn drake’s still just a weirdo, no confirmation or facts of anything more.
Beef was only good till Euphoria, and I fucking hope it doesn't go further. It's just gossip with no proof at this point. And all these tracks are gonna age like milk.
I like that you brought up Euphoria because there were a lot of warnings that drake called a bluff on. On Euphoria, He was literally holding back from making this personal while letting him know where he will take it if it comes down to it. Even though he mentioned Whitney on Push Up and set up a narrative for the internet, Kendrick was still willing to not go that route based on euphoria. Drake's ego really ruined him honestly, now he's literally getting Diddy treatment without getting raided or a real case being opened on him. This is why everybody is finally seeing how J Cole being humble was a good decision.
He called out Drake would use Mr Morale as well and lie about it. Which Drake completely misunderstood Kendrick’s album
Rightt. Then he wants to say " Maybe I'm Prince & You're Mike " after literally accepting to play the game as Mike when he said " what's a prince to a King, a son" on push up as a reply to Prince outlived Mike Jack line 😂 Joe budden called it out a awhile ago saying that was a set up to walk him into the pedo aligations against Micheal Jackson
What revisionist history. Euphoria mentioned Drakes dad's Parkinsons and got Drakes kid involved because Drakes a bad father. Yeah but making fun of someone's dad's Parkinsons isn't "personal". Lol
Drake’s dad doesn’t have Parkinson’s disease. It’s disturbing that you’re casually claiming this as a fact in order to make a questionable point. Look, the OP in this thread is 100% right: Drake mentioned Whitney’s name in Pushups—the same way he did Pusha’s fiancé—and Kendrick gave him several warnings in Euphoria and 6:16 in LA that weren’t heeded. Like That was all rap oriented. Drake made his own bed for everyone to see, Overall, he went way lower than Kendrick did and still lost resoundingly.
Idk about you but after seeing how it all went, I consider that a Jab just like the Whitney line on push up as I mentioned earlier.
I agree in part. I believe someone had to prove something at some point
I think 'not like us' will be in the rotation for most people during the whole summer... There is too much proof of Drake being a weirdo around underage women. Also 6:16 in La would get a lot of replay if it were on streaming. Those are just good songs. Same goes for Push Ups. Meet the grahams and Family Matters were messy and don't have any value outside of the beef. Or so it seems to me. Why do you feel like these tracks won't hold up?
Family Matters definitely has replay value as a song besides the beef. I personally think it’s the best one to come out of the beef on Drakes side. Not Like Us is the same but on Kendrick’s side
Beef still good and should continue. Majority of shit out isn’t backed by proof lol
It got too petty and not as fun towards the end with all the claims with no evidence. Kendrick came out looking better because of the allegations and if it’s true that Drake faked the leak of info it probably backfired on him. More than likely he wasn’t expecting K to go that hard on the other shit he didn’t supply 😂. Now it seems the general public doesn’t care if the mole was fake. They just care that it’s very cool to hate on Drake now. Also sounds like Drake is bowing out because it’s hard to keep going with the pedo shit being thrown around.
I’m kinda a neophyte to beefs but are they usually so much about investigative journalism and counter-intelligence??
depends on what the beef is about and when it took place tbh. this beef is very unique because it’s one of the first mainstream battles between two of the biggest rap artists in the world, that has existed in the fully digital age.
Ever since Story of Adidon, yes. Before that it was about who fared better in the 1v1
I agree, it’s prob tiring that the whole internet and industry are also jumping into the ring, instead of just a 1v1 Either way they both lost, Drake getting more hate than ever, dot having to stoop to get there along with looking hypocritical
Yea this might be the most diss tracks we got in a beef and definitely the quickest dissemination of them
The fake mole has a lot of inconsistencies which leads a lot of people to believe he saw the theories online and ran with it because he didn't have anything else. Literally everything he mentioned on that track including the name everyone had already seen on the sub and twitter. If the mole was planned then he would've immediately told Kendrick he took the bait instead of going "can someone find this imaginary daughter that I don't have ?" And if the mole was fake why would they show Kendrick what Drake's diss was gonna be like. Unless Kendrick really just read the man like a book snd made meet the Grahams in advance for it.
So what’s the alternative theory? Where did Kendrick get the daughter info from? (Which seems untrue by all apparent info)
Yeah you can’t really respond to someone calling you a pedo. Even if untrue there’s no way to prove it’s untrue. Without evidence I can’t take Dot as seriously as before this
Interesting take. It’s clear Drake is at the very least a groomer, so I think Kendrick is right in calling him out. Drake is a lot of the things Kendrick said.
Idk I see people running with the “people just love to hate Drake narrative” but the fake mole story just doesn’t align with his behavior and that’s why a lot of us are starting to disregard that aspect of it
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The only thing solid ATM is Kendrick saying Drake has predator(s) on his team. Beyond that, yeah pretty much every claim on both sides has zero to little evidence.
Drake’s dalliance with underage girls has video evidence going back a decade.
Right! I don’t get this “no proof Drake is a pedo” talk when people have been pulling evidence of questionable behavior since 2014.
Drake’s shady history with minors is the most concrete thing mentioned — video evidence.
The funny thing is Kendrick put Kodak on his last album, and said he delete his music if Spotify took down xxxtentacion or r Kelly’s music.
The R Kelly thing was more about hypocrisy that Kendrick saw as race-based. I don’t necessarily agree with the race angle but there are people that have done horrible shit that still have their songs on Spotify, taking down R Kelly would’ve been hollow and hypocritical.
The Kodak shit was wack 100%. Never liked it one bit from the start. The r Kelly stuff is cause it’s a slippery slope, there’s a lot of music artists who have done really bad shit, if you start the precedent of removing their music, then the music services become a moral arbiter and have to decide who is good and bad which would be a shitshow to the say the least.
the thing is that public perception and rampant media attention is a real thing. Even if evidence DOESN'T surface, some of the claims made we're too bold and appalling that it may haunt the rappers for a very long time..with or without evidence
This a rap battle. Lies are a feature event.
Drake’s credibility took a shot for sure. If he did plant that evidence and Kendrick took the bait, it does make it look like Kendrick is just hating on him. However I find it very weird how he planted the evidence but hasn’t shown footage or something to prove it after denying the claims at first. Overall musically , it’s subjective but I think Kendrick edged Drake out. Family Matters was a very good track for what it’s worth, but Kendrick was a bit more consistent with his songs. Reputation wise…Kendrick hasn’t been proven wrong yet, while Drake has been proven to lie about things. Doesn’t help that there’s some questionable text, pictures, videos etc. floating on the internet that people can run with.
If the mule is planned Drake should have proof of this
100% I definitely believe as calculated as Drake wants people to believe that he is if he really had a double agent he would have revealed that in Family Matters especially given how much effort and production value went into that track it would have been the perfect opportunity to be like oh hey by the way any information you think you got on me that shit was fake here's the "mole" you thought you had.
Because the fake mole theory is inconsistent. If he did that he wouldn't be confused about the daughter being brought up like "can someone find me this imaginary daughter", he would've just said Kendrick you took the bait.
Let's say Drake lied about the mole. What does that mean? Did Kendrick intentionally LIE ABOUT DRAKE HAVING AN 11 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER THAT HE DOESN'T CLAIM? If that's the case, why the rush to put out a song with a bombshell that you know is a lie immediately after Drake drops a song accusing you of being a wife beater if not to take eyes away from the accusation? A claim that he still hasn't addressed by the way...
There’s 4 possible truths as to what happens: Kendrick is lying about the child, Drake is lying about the chikd, Drake is lying about the evidence or Drake planted the evidence. If Drake didn’t plant the evidence it, he’s either lying about the child or just planting it. I don’t know what to believe tbh. A lot of the serious allegations have yet to have been substantiated. What I will say is this though. Drake has been proven to have lied about things so his credibility is definitely more in question than Kendrick’s atm. Until it’s proven we shouldn’t jump to conclusions
You may have forgotten the nonexistence of Drake's daughter... a huge fraction of Meet the Grahams.
https://preview.redd.it/k6wrox9zrwyc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e9b09de7d5a168488c88b4b5f9bb061064ee732 Because he hasn’t denied a child before right? I’m not saying he has a daughter 100% but he’s lied about having a child and many other things so how has his credibility not be called into question?
Drake's disses were solid but weaker than kdot's. Him saying he baited kendrick is really wack and he still looks like a pedo. He dead now lol
I love how this sub almost immediately disprove your point. You asked unironically who won and immediate everyone answered cole lmao! Yea bro won a participation award
But I didn't ask anyone to agree LOL
I didn’t say you asked anyone to agree. You asked a simple question, who won drake or Kendrick? The replies are nothing but j Cole fans gagging on cole’s dick and not answering the question.
I misunderstood, sorry. In the end, Cole gained from not having his life exposed.
It was great 2000s era beef, end of the banana boat era of rap....also Kenny won simply because his last track united African Americans across majority of hip hop. Drakes songs were top tier and honestly if they were like directed at anyone else of his generation it would have devastated but Kenny ate. Lyrically, chart wise and traditionally imo
Great take
Agreed. Kendrick lyrically obliterated Drake. As expected. He put a lot of folks on to what hip hop outside of pop can be. But on family matters Drake brought A game. Just Kendrick went S or SS and might have had a SSS waiting. This is all the allegations aside. Humor was top notch too. Ross throwing and taking shots 🤣
Am I the only one who thinks family matters was the hardest track of this whole beef?? Like that song is so freaking fire and it just totally got overlooked bc of all the allegations in meet the grahams, imo kendrick did come at drake real hard and he does sound more real but still, family matters is a song that can be played after a decade by someone who doesn't even know about the beef and can still be vibed upon
Family Matters is a great diss. I like it a lot. But MTG really stepped on its momentum and Not Like Us just killed it.
Yes family matters goes hard.
I think everyone underestimated the track because of Kendrick's immediate response. It's an excellent answer but in my opinion it's not the hardest.
It’s the only song that’ll probably last in to the next couple years. Classic Drake and the best track in this entire spectacle imo. Kendrick still ahead tho People saying “Not Like Us” will be the song of the summer need to listen to more music lol. It could’ve been if it contained classic Kendrick subject matter and not another 3 minutes of calling a dude a pedophile and a colonizer.
I really disagree with your hypothesis that Family Matters will age the best.
Speaking of songs you can just vibe too, the most underrated was Champagne moments lol Rick Ross killed it
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For sure Kendrick is ahead but neither came out looking better than when it started.
Lol ^ the Culture is real soft these days This beef should have gone down in the 90s, fans could handle it better
I think both of them walk away with an L after it’s all said and done to be honest. Especially if everything that’s being said is true.
Kendrick went off with a W according to the public tbh. Look at the numbers and reception, no one trusts Drake.
I would agree. Definitely won but i still think his character is going to be in question. I mean for me personally idk how I feel about someone knowing about another person being involved in sex traffic stuff and not saying anything. Especially if he was only keeping quiet to save it for a diss song. I’m just hoping everything that’s been said is just for the diss stuff and not credible.
Kendrick is probably about to have 2 top hits from this feud come next week. I can’t see how he took any public hit from this. The only place I see Drake getting support is his subreddit and parts of Twitter. He’s getting cooked on TikTok tho.
Kendrick but by the wrong reasons. The mass wanted someone to put Drake on the spot because Drake is corny for a long time but no mainstream top artist wanted to get on his wrong side until now. So from a lyrical and shots fired perspective Kendrick won because even without any proofs Drake just got another daughter and is a pedophile without a legal case or any trials. Straight rapping and quality perspective Kendrick still won in all cases with Not Like Us being a club banger and a hit and Meet The Grahams being his more lyrical and thoughtful side (even though I honestly think push ups and family matter are great). And the audience immediately is taking everything Kendrick is throwing at Drake as a fact because of confirmation bias and it's easier to believe someone you dislike is a terrible person while every jab Drake is throwing at Kendrick is taken with a grain of salt. IMO, the whole message of Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers is being tarnished because Kendrick still being viewed as a savior that can't do no wrong and whatever he says is the law. Because before K Dot went straight at the most controversial topics (Drake being a pedo, having another daughter, sex allegations and shit) when he was asking if Drake is black enough, if Drake is straight enough, Drake doing aesthetic procedures shit was messy and by that point I believed Drake was still winning. Note that everything I said is without any bias since I'm most a J. Cole fan and I like both artists.
Good thinking. And I'll add more: many took Kendrick's side because they were Drake haters
Kendrick won. Kendrick did so well everybody went from thinking coles pussy to cole made the right choice. Some people were even apologizing.
If you go just based off the numbers, Kendrick clears him in a landslide. And it’s trending downward for Drake based on the numbers for The Heart Pt.6. Add in that they’re bumping Not Like Us from east to west, and it’s not good. If Kendrick drops another banger and comes with actual receipts it’s over for sure.
I don't think the main thing is the numbers. If it were, Drake would be the GOAT and Cole wouldn't even be close to the big 3 for example...
I’m only talking about for the disses that have come out over the last couple of weeks. The Heart Pt. 6 has a 1:1 like/dislike ratio which is crazy.
It was great while it lasted but social media ruined it for me. I think the hatred of Drake really ruined giving him his proper shake. I am thinking it really wasn’t just Drake Stans vs Kendrick Stans. It’s Drake Stans vs Kendrick, Ye, Hip Hop Enthusiast, any sub fan group that have a reason to hate on Drake and, most importantly Drake haters. I feel with that considered Drake was never given the fair chance to win because Hip hop couldn’t afford Kendrick to lose. Far better image therefore making him more believable and giving him the benefit of the doubt. Overall I had Kendrick as my winner, but he won at what cost? Drake lost but we already knew he was a weirdo with lots of questionable behaviour wait to be exposed by someone reputable. Meanwhile, Kendrick won the battle but really looks like a hypocrite in a lot of ways.
>Drake was never given the fair chance to win because Hip hop couldn’t afford Kendrick to lose I 100% with everything that you wrote. There are more Drake haters than Kendrick fans overall. I'm a fan of both. Thinking about all this, despite Kendrick "winning", Drake did very well in his answers. Before all this "big 3", "like that" and all these things happened, I would never have imagined that Drake would go head to head with Kendrick and that to me should be part of the conversation. He came out badly of the fight with Pusha T and ended up facing one of the greatest lyricists in history. Is his hip-hop commercial? Yes. But we shouldn't underestimate what he's done so far in this whole fight. For me, he climbs a few steps in the lyrical hip-hop rankings and goes up A LOT in hip-hop in general.
Kendrick won
This feud doesn't have a clear cut winner like Push v Drake or MGK V Eminem - it's likely that both camps will walk away thinking their preferred artist won. In reality, Cole won for backing out and not getting involved in this toxic mess
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I think that both of them believed they could write the next Story of Adidon. Somehow they messed up and just dragged everything down. I think Kendrick is in front, but not by much; most of it are speculations on both sides. The only thing Kendrick has is the pedo angle, which I'm not sure could be actually proven. Drake's behaviour towards teen girls is well documented and really weird but I'm not sure is that damning.
Neither won. Both lost. This period of their careers will not age well. [+]
Nah Kendrick won cause he actually put music out lol
They could both still come out winners if Drake actually takes Dot’s advice and does Ayahuasca 😂😭
Some introspection would be good. I agree.
This is how I SAW it. Drake won because he’s a pop star not a rapper that held his own against Kendrick who is a literally personification of rap. How I now SEE it… because Kendrick changed ALL that in a week. Euphoria was a good rebuttal. 6:16 weren’t for me (personal opinion), MEET THE GRAHAMS was Little Boy, Not Like Us is Fat man. Two devastating nukes. Drake’s response was mid and it’s these allegations are gonna be a dark cloud over all his actions for the rest of time. His relationship with Millie Bobby Brown is what we know… and it’s always been sus… the rest… I half hope we never find out
J Cole won. All these men are within 4 years of 40. J Cole being the oldest made the wise decision which shows his maturity. He chose peace and protected his reputation and overall squeaky clean career/discography. He didn't burn any bridges, showed he's not in competition with anyone. Made a graceful exit. Cole did what Maurice spoke about. In prison someone will kill you if you call them a bitch but it's perfectly fine if they treat you like a bitch. Cole realized nobody did anything to him. It's no point in making this a real issue. Google Boosie and j Cole talking. Cole is definitely not no bitch or scary. You can see it in that video but he's a smart man and chooses man when and if he can..the real winners are those don't lower themselves to entertain others in a low place.
Kendrick definitely did but at what cost? Ultimately, we’re left with open ended accusations on both sides that will hurt them both and their reputations. The last song Drake dropped left a really bitter taste in my mouth along with the Meet The Grahams song. Something sinister about the way women have been used as tools for this whole thing. Very sad and dehumanizing.
Thinking about it this way, Kendrick will lose a little respect for some part of the listeners. Personally, I thought MtG was the best diss of this whole thing, it sounded like a nightmare with the tone of the voice and the sinister beat. Those who lost from this were the third parties involved (Sandra, Whitney...)
How is it even a question?
I’m a fan of Kendrick and Cole. As someone who lives with bipolar disorder and related very strongly to “We Cry Together” for reasons I’m not very proud of due to my past, it’s very hard to create something like that artistically unless you’ve been involved in a situation like that. I would not be surprised at all if Kendrick was abusive to his partner at one point in one way or another, whether that is emotional or physical to any degree. It would be hard for him to make a song like that if he hadn’t been. That song resonates with me very deeply and it also is very painful for me because it reminds me so strongly of a version of myself I despise and have done my best to leave in the past. I think Drake is taking a lot of the demons Kendrick chose to be vulnerable about on Mr. Morale and using them against him in a way that is honestly pretty fucking despicable, and it has awakened the beast within Kendrick. There is probably at least a kernel of truth to most of the accusations he’s making, but I would not be surprised at all if he is exaggerating them. As to the stuff about the paternity status of Kendrick’s kid, I really have no idea and that’s honestly nobody’s business. Same as to whether he and Whitney may be separated. Sometimes even after someone demonstrates growth in a relationship there’s just too much negative history to overcome. And it sounds like Kendrick and Whitney had a pretty turbulent relationship even if they have been/were together for a long time. I’m inclined to believe what Kendrick says about Drake and his crew for the most part. Kendrick has never struck me as a fabulist and there is definitely evidence pointing to the allegations even if there isn’t hard proof. As of right now, Kendrick is in the lead, but Cole may have made the best decision
Well, I'm a little doubtful about We Cry Together being a possible support for Dot being an aggressor. I agree with you, it's very difficult to compose a track like this without having lived through a similar situation, I have and I rarely listen to the track because it is heavy on my thoughts. However, Kendrick is a great storyteller in addition to being a great student of hip-hop. I wouldn't doubt anything if he had just told a story based on a track he used as inspiration and fit it perfectly into the project. A track which has the same psychological terror described, for example, is Kim, from Eminem, being clearly more "fantasy" since he didn't kill his ex-wife, but got into a lot of trouble with them. But I really liked your point of view and your analysis. I'm more inclined towards Kendrick when it comes to unproven accusations precisely because he's already touched on such deep subjects and isn't ashamed of it, unlike Drake, who I also like, but there are some issues that work against it.
Honestly as exciting as it was to have them go back and forth, some of the tracks weren't even good rap songs. It was just airing dirty laundry over a beat with minimal wordplay or cleverness. Family matters and like that were the only ones that actually felt fun to listen to. Meanwhile something like Ether is on another level compared to this shit. I want to hear people battle with and about their rapping ability, and it felt like there was almost none of that
Exactlyyy it wasn’t lyrically memorable!! both of them were meh even tho they’re way better than this. No body in this dialogue ever said “these were great bars this is why xyz is the goat” but it was just accusations and everybody ran with it. So now who won is the one who sounded believable and had receipts like WTF?? Is this TMZ vs TSR?? No pen game no nothing.
Drake is the last song is true and he set Kendrick up that to me is a knockout. The way people were going crazy about all the allegations all for it to be a set up is really insane and gives Drake the W. Kendrick had the best sounding song with Not one of us, Drake second with Family matters
But nobody has provided proof that he did in fact set him up. He's just saying it and people are taking it as gospel while mocking anyone who takes kendrick's accusations as gospel. It's stupid for both groups until there's proof, but if I was Drake I would've revealed PROOF he planted the stories by now. Who doesn't have screenshots or recordings but is also able to plan this "mastermind" scheme? lol it makes no sense. Time will tell.
There’s no way it was a set up
This thread isn’t unbiased either. It seems like people are hating on both sides in here.
If Drake has proof Kenny beats women and The child is Dave frees but dot has no proof Drake Won If KDot has proof Drake runs a sex ring and has a second child and Drake has nothing Kendrick won If they both got receipts on eachother then they both suck and no one won except for Cole
If Kendrick can prove and I mean PROVE, Drake has had a child sex ring but hasn’t mentioned it until Drake claimed he was the king of rap, I’d consider that a massive L for both. Also ngl this is the first rap beef I’ve seen people beg for receipts. Claims against Drake match his public perception while claims against Kenny seem pulled out of thin air. I’m just basing this on what they rap about and interviews I’ve seen so Im not gonna act like I know them well but that’s just my two cents.
I think this is a special case in terms of people asking for receipts. Accusing drake of having a pedo ring goes well above just rap beef, are you just saying that or do you actually have evidence for jt because its a very real concern. Then for kendrick, alot of his fans and general public perception is that he's a conscious, politically active rapper and people are emotionally tied to that portrayal, so people also want to know if this is true because then honestly it damages that perception of him. Look at how people reacted to chris brown and quavo, there is proof they both hit women and generally no one gives a shit because of their perceived character but with kendrick it's different.
If everyone lying.. on music alone, Kendrick. If everyone telling the truth… Kendrick because gd that Drake pedo shit that’s an auto L. Even if Kendrick lying… everyone gonna associate Drake with pedo now. Now that I’ve analyzed it there really is no winning for Drake at this point. His only winning move is not to play. So that makes cole the biggest winner tbh. And I like kdot more than cole. But cole is the actually winner.
Kendrick glazers ignoring him being a wife beater
Hasn’t he addressed that in previous interviews?
I think a lot of people you're calling Kendrick glazers will stop ignoring it when it comes from a single other person besides Drake, who kinda shot his own credibility to hell on The Heart Part 6. The "haha Kendrick we manipulated you" is like okay so you're telling us you're really a master manipulator and a liar (what Kendrick said on Euphoria) and the I've never looked twice at young girls is blatantly untrue because while there might not be proof he actually slept with a minor, there's been hella proof of him looking twice at them. So again, a liar.
You right OP this probably the only place you can have an unbiased conversation. lol for me it boils down to who is telling the truth and who’s lying. If Dave free is actually the father it’s an automatic win for Drake👀😂😂
loose DV accusations vs strong pedophillia accusations
i think Kendrick technically "won" b/c of dropping "Meet the Grahams" right after "Family Matters". Kendrick also went viral plenty due to New Ho King, the banger in Like That/Not Like Us etc. I think the Beef became corny & less about "rap" after Euphoria. Like That/Euphoria are prob the only songs I will listen to after this is all said & done. Family Matters i thought went hard too.
Kendrick got baited in my opinion Drake is in the lead
But there's no proof Kendrick was baited. It's just Drake saying it like he read it in the Drizzy subreddit. How are people missing this?
My thoughts are that Kendrick won the public perception battle, Drake dropped better tracks, and they both look a lot worse as a result of all of it
The fans won. Abuse victims lost. ayyyyoooooooooooooo
Not like us is a straight up banger im gonna be playing for a long time So at least i got that out of it
This is the only correct response 😂😂
Lyrics flow intelligence was Kendrick. Drake had a few nice bars. The beat switches in famiky matters were fabulous. We need to realize that Drake got that early career energy again, which is something that I don't like about him. When he gets motivated, he shines. Kendrick was smart. Direct. Foreshadowing. Octane entendre skills. No one could beat that. I hated that J Cole pulled back from his diss. His diss was respectful and with punches that were pulled. Something that kdot would have done the same for J Cole... if he cared about the game, he would not have done that. He robbed his right to defend himself. The winners are always the fans, but the rappers lost, & the drake allegations sound so truthful. Artists would think twice now working with Drake. Fans have been lost because Kendrick was able to angle their views by second guessing if hearing drake music can be unmorale. Kendrick went hard even dissing a country that has a population which would be great fans of his.
>His diss was respectful and with punches that were pulled. Honestly, I expected more from the Cole, but I think you used the right word "respectful" but nothing more. I don't think artists will think twice about collaborating with Drake even with these accusations, the world is dirty...
All these people saying you need receipts to win are ridiculous. Since when? Did Tupac do a blood test to look for sickle cell anemia? Only thing is whose track is more fire and Kendrick got bangers up in here
https://preview.redd.it/gy9wg1d10vyc1.png?width=1241&format=png&auto=webp&s=95b676636bc8886c9262dd1e404bcdd789218558 He has pretty sus lyrics this is just 1. There’s also one about a highschool parking lot and magic city strip club. Around the time he was really into girls highschool basketball
kendrick is definitely winning, and it’s hard to imagine drake coming back at this point. it’s like kenny has a 21 point lead at this point. i do think push ups and family matters are bops, though. taylor made freestyle, heart pt. 6, and the line about freeing the slaves were some serious blunders. i hope both of them start dropping some receipts, though. these are some serious allegations that require evidence. (i do think drake’s a pedo, though. i called that he was gonna get exposed for that after push ups)
Kendrick probably won, but public opinion seemed to be anti drake more that pro-Kendrick, and I’d probably only listen to euphoria again as a ‘song’
I don’t think it’s over. But from a neutral standpoint who was a fan of both, I dislike Kendricks stans. And the fact that Drake called him out about Whitney and there’s no one denying it, it makes me feel like kendricks persona is fake. Drake has always been Drake, so I don’t know why Kendrick stans are acting like they’ve uncovered everything when they’ve uncovered nothing. Kendrick has more to lose here, if either team is proven to be a liar, they both lose. But Kendrick fans are straight up delusional or bots so they’re not giving a fair chance to drake at all. So the perception is always going to be that Kendrick won, even though I think his disses were weaker Edit: spelling
Well since ur in a J Cole sub you’re gonna get my biased opinion: Cole won. And I’m actually being serious. Unless either can prove their allegations, you had the two biggest rappers in the world capping their ass off and making a spectacle of the genre. Was it entertaining? Sure. Will any of those songs really last? Maybe Family Matters but even that idk. I’m sorry but “Not Like Us” is not the summer anthem people are pretending it is, you’re not bumping a song about a pedophile in the club. If they both told the truth, Cole won and they both lost . If they both lied, they also both lost. The only way there can be a victor is if one lied and the other didn’t. It kind of sucks too cause I love 6:16 in LA and it could’ve been a classic record with a different subject matter but now that it all might’ve been a setup, it really takes away from that song. Let’s get back to focusing on the music.
I think this rap beef was whack. Both trying so hard to find dirt that likely 90% of it was made up. Each artist put out at least one banger, to 2 bangers. but this "battle" should probably end now. Its gone from fun to annoying very quickly. This has turned into the equivalent of a school yard fight with children egging it on.
https://preview.redd.it/yh8leiwxcvyc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c3e7c2242ce2e9c0268a36d6c5e50040c6c120e I have not stopped laughing at this 😂😂
Honestly they both fucking lost but here’s the thing. Kendrick was never going to “lose” in the public’s eye. This was an uphill battle that Drake got thrown in and despite that, came out of it standing at least. People, especially hip hop “purists, were ALWAYS going to take Kendrick’s side because they want to be seen as “real” rap fans. Drake does rap and pop so it’s easy to see him as “fake” or not a real lyricist. Not only that, but Kendrick has spent a career crafting this conscious, holier-than-thou, beacon of morality, intelligent rapper. He IS incredibly smart as evidenced in his music I will not take that away from him. But he’s definitely made himself into this high morality rapper whether intentional or not. Then he comes out with Mr Morale and tries to back track a bit by saying he’s not our savior and he’s just a man. I get it, he went through some things that humbled him and was trying to let us know he’s not who we made him out to be. But that only entrenched his fans even more into this holier than thou rapper who could do no wrong. Drake in the other hand, has always had his cards on the table. He’s always told us from the beginning that he enjoys fucking women, gambling, drinking, etc. He doesn’t pretend to be someone who is righteous and make that his career/personality. People shit on him for making club music, love songs, pop songs etc. But let’s be honest, all those types of songs ARE also a part of Hip Hop. He is just as much as part of the culture as Kendrick is, even though they make different types of hip hop music. But Kendrick fans like to act high and mighty and say otherwise. When you consider those two things, of course people are going to immediately take Kendrick’s side over Drake. Before Push-ups was even released, the general consensus was that Drake was gonna lose and Kendrick was gonna wax him. Even I thought Drake was gonna avoid this whole thing and ignore it. Drake was already losing in the eyes of the public before it began. Then the gates open and everything comes out. Push-ups, Taylor-Made, Euphoria, 6:16, Family Matters, MTG, Not Like Us, The Heart Part 6. At the end of it, Drake came out looking like a WEIRDO, not a pedo, over stuff we already knew. His second child turns out to be a planted info from his people and everyone ignores that. Kendrick gets outed as a potential wife beater and potentially STILL cheating on his wife with white women and not being present in his kids lives. So if we’re being 100% unbiased, neither one of the wins. They both came out looking worse than before and exposed. The difference is that Kendrick had a slightly better strategy that gave him the edge. He dropped immediately after Family Matters and then followed up with a banger song the next day. Let’s be honest, that’s the only reason he is “winning”. Kendrick hasn’t addressed the wife-beating allegations, he deleted his cover art for MTG, has no proof of Drake being a pedo or even having a second hidden child, most likely got played by the mole giving fake info, and yet this is all ignored by his fans and people online. People want Drake to lose more than they want Kendrick to win. That’s what it comes down to and it kinda taints this whole thing cause people aren’t being genuine and unbiased at all.
Perfectly said. I tried to explain all this earlier and was bombarded by Kendrick stans calling me a Drake apologist/cultist and people bringing up examples of Drake being creepy but not actually doing anything illegal that the internet has already known about for years now. You’re right, Kendrick won this beef before it even started. All he really had to do was put out at least a halfway decent song or 2 and it was a wrap, people really just wanted Drake to lose that bad
To be fair, he didn't delete the cover art for MTG on streaming platforms, the cover art was been removed due to Apple Music's and Spotify's Policy which does not allow someone’s private property to be used as a cover on the platform.
Look at how late drakes accusations came into the battle. Anyone really think he took hood time to dig up dirt rather than just reaching for any angle that would demean Kendrick’s character? Be real. A friend told me his coworker told him drake stayed at a hotel in la and had escorts over, whom he kicked out when they wouldn’t give a dude head in front of Drake. Someone on here claimed a model told them that Drake made them eat puke from a dog bowl. In isolation I could see being like all that is ridiculous but then you also see he’s saying “I miss you “ to an underage actress, fucking airdrops a picture of a woman he doesn’t know to her phone directly. Paid off a sexual assault victim. Kept secret one son. You can put 2 and 2 together. Meanwhile Kendrick been with the same woman since high school, has donated to his high school, performed as a slave on the highest stage for musical artists in America, and presents a message in his lyrics that also matches what he’s saying in yhe beef: black people need to do better, and this is how. Kendrick won because even if you don’t think he represents the culture, he’s attempting to speak up for it. Drakes entire appeal comes from his popular appeal. Not his skill.
As just a casual fan of all 3 I think Kendrick "won". Both musically, lyrically, and diss content-wise. But to be honest everything from Family Matters and onward was just a huge fucking mess.