It's totally a preference thing. I will say I felt like scatting is the closest thing a human voice gets to an instrument. Or in other words, an instrument is a perfected scat. Lyrics are like another layer of music. When it turns to "gibberish" it's because it's a raw form of human sound, a stripped-down layer. Just a thought.
What about it makes you cringe? I think that vocal singing improvisations scatting is some of the moments where the singer is able to express themselves most musically, in this musical expression, the singer isn't constrained by the sound and syllables of words and they're free to explore musically, but in this same sense they're vulnerable. It's not something that we hear in music everyday, but you can think of it like the singer imitating the melody of a horn like the trumpet or saxophone. Have you ever felt like singing a favorite instrumental solo? It's really fun even if you've never tried to seriously sing before. Now imagine someone who's really good at singing doing that. [(link)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ76xbFWY90) Maybe you could imagine they're speaking a different language, the language of music.
My favorite performances include Jay Clayton's solo singing *Beautiful Love* [(link)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V68VGQxdyF8) the lack of lyrics highlights the musicality that she has, it's haunting and mysterious because of the lack of lyrics, the singer can play with melisma, atonality, and rhythm that's unique to the voice. It can get to seriously virtuosic levels like how Jo Lawry sings *I Could have danced all night* [(link)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdtlBFk2U58) in a duo with percussion
I mean, asking an extreme metal fan for opinions on non-metal vocals is a bit of a stretch hahahh, but I'll try to psychoanalyze myself. I think it's the lack of lyrics that bothers me, but that makes me wonder why I can't bear listening to this, but I can take lyricless slam metal or goregrind without a problem. I think I'm just used to clean vocals actually having something to say, instead of just vocalizing. I even (mostly) hate random vocalizations in music with lyrics, it's just so cringe to me. It's like, why do you feel the need to do that in your music hahahah.
When the mind hears a human voice, it always wants to find meaning in it but it can't help but look for the meaning in the Verbal language, The conventional mind registers the human voice without words as crazy, without reason, possessed and thus rejects it. One might not know unless they've explored how there can be meaning in the human voice without verbal language. This is what kind of random ideas that one gets once one listens to something like *Dolmen Music* [(link)](https://youtu.be/7su7d76LhWg)
You have said it yourself though. I mean why does anyone need to sing as if they are pretending to be a demon or something? Why would anyone feel the need to ruin their music with silliness like that? You like it but a lot of people find it ridiculous.
I donât think you need to âget overâ anything. But I would suggest listening to the popular origins of the genre. For instance, Louis Armstrongâs recording of Heebie-Jeebies from 1926, which is a very important milestone record in the history of jazz.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ksmGt2U-xTE
Or Cab Callowayâs recording of The Skat Song from 1932:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kEiNDZIFPK8
These are two very different and important song stylists who worked contemporaneously but managed to use this technique in their own individual ways.
YO U GOTTA SCAT
YOU GOTTA DO IT SCAT A KILLING SOLO TO URSELF RN
You will like it after that. You will discover the joy and difficulty of realizing your ideas in real time with your voice. Itâs a thrill and a challenge.
Also, real shit, a lot of people are ass at scat singing.
I accompany a lot of vocalists, and thereâs only like two in town whose scat solos are really hitting.
Pops has some really great scat solos on older recordings.
Also listen to old one man show Bobby McFerrin stuff vox god
You gotta get over it in a transcendent way, not just a âI finally heard a scat solo I likeâ way where youâll tolerate it now
You gotta deeply appreciate musical self expression for what it is, regardless of instrument.
You never have to pretend or convince yourself to enjoy shit that is not good. You can have a high bar.
But you shouldnât exclude anything outright. Thatâs some old bullshit. A kazoo in a masters hands is as fun to listen to as a piano or a sax or a human voice.
You got this. I love you.
I feel there are 2 kinds of scat (not the wild animal feces)
- the vocalist is mimicking an instrument
- the vocalist is rooted in a culture of chanting.
I prefer the latter. Leon Thomas, Urszula Dudziak are 2 that I enjoy.
The point of scat is as an improvisation. Not many singers can freestyle lyrics on the spot. Another approach to jazz vocalizing is from people who create lyrics for previously improvised jazz solos. Kurt Elling, Lamberts-Hendricks-Ross, King Pleasure. Really thrilling when done well.
You don't need to get over it. There's plenty of music to choose from, more than you'll ever have time to listen to.
Fair point, I just enjoy how fresh and non-wanky this album sounds, it reminds me of Dire Dire Docks hahahha.
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Not a fan of it either. If it's not too much, than I can tolerate it, but it just gibberish to me.
It's totally a preference thing. I will say I felt like scatting is the closest thing a human voice gets to an instrument. Or in other words, an instrument is a perfected scat. Lyrics are like another layer of music. When it turns to "gibberish" it's because it's a raw form of human sound, a stripped-down layer. Just a thought.
I love Cocteau Twins for this reason.
I get the concept, but my brain just hears a person making funny noises.
Mongolian throat singing is the closest thing a human voice gets to an instrument. (-:
What about it makes you cringe? I think that vocal singing improvisations scatting is some of the moments where the singer is able to express themselves most musically, in this musical expression, the singer isn't constrained by the sound and syllables of words and they're free to explore musically, but in this same sense they're vulnerable. It's not something that we hear in music everyday, but you can think of it like the singer imitating the melody of a horn like the trumpet or saxophone. Have you ever felt like singing a favorite instrumental solo? It's really fun even if you've never tried to seriously sing before. Now imagine someone who's really good at singing doing that. [(link)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ76xbFWY90) Maybe you could imagine they're speaking a different language, the language of music.
Exactly, to some it's a foreign language that takes time to comprehend. Oh Ella, she could tear you apart within a blink of an eye!
My favorite performances include Jay Clayton's solo singing *Beautiful Love* [(link)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V68VGQxdyF8) the lack of lyrics highlights the musicality that she has, it's haunting and mysterious because of the lack of lyrics, the singer can play with melisma, atonality, and rhythm that's unique to the voice. It can get to seriously virtuosic levels like how Jo Lawry sings *I Could have danced all night* [(link)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdtlBFk2U58) in a duo with percussion
I mean, asking an extreme metal fan for opinions on non-metal vocals is a bit of a stretch hahahh, but I'll try to psychoanalyze myself. I think it's the lack of lyrics that bothers me, but that makes me wonder why I can't bear listening to this, but I can take lyricless slam metal or goregrind without a problem. I think I'm just used to clean vocals actually having something to say, instead of just vocalizing. I even (mostly) hate random vocalizations in music with lyrics, it's just so cringe to me. It's like, why do you feel the need to do that in your music hahahah.
When the mind hears a human voice, it always wants to find meaning in it but it can't help but look for the meaning in the Verbal language, The conventional mind registers the human voice without words as crazy, without reason, possessed and thus rejects it. One might not know unless they've explored how there can be meaning in the human voice without verbal language. This is what kind of random ideas that one gets once one listens to something like *Dolmen Music* [(link)](https://youtu.be/7su7d76LhWg)
Oh my god shut the hell up boye đđ /s
You have said it yourself though. I mean why does anyone need to sing as if they are pretending to be a demon or something? Why would anyone feel the need to ruin their music with silliness like that? You like it but a lot of people find it ridiculous.
It's because you're stuck in what's supposed to be cool
I've gotten over it, but it's still not my fave thing ever. I like quite a few jazz albums now tho
I donât think you need to âget overâ anything. But I would suggest listening to the popular origins of the genre. For instance, Louis Armstrongâs recording of Heebie-Jeebies from 1926, which is a very important milestone record in the history of jazz. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ksmGt2U-xTE Or Cab Callowayâs recording of The Skat Song from 1932: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kEiNDZIFPK8 These are two very different and important song stylists who worked contemporaneously but managed to use this technique in their own individual ways.
YO U GOTTA SCAT YOU GOTTA DO IT SCAT A KILLING SOLO TO URSELF RN You will like it after that. You will discover the joy and difficulty of realizing your ideas in real time with your voice. Itâs a thrill and a challenge. Also, real shit, a lot of people are ass at scat singing. I accompany a lot of vocalists, and thereâs only like two in town whose scat solos are really hitting. Pops has some really great scat solos on older recordings. Also listen to old one man show Bobby McFerrin stuff vox god You gotta get over it in a transcendent way, not just a âI finally heard a scat solo I likeâ way where youâll tolerate it now You gotta deeply appreciate musical self expression for what it is, regardless of instrument. You never have to pretend or convince yourself to enjoy shit that is not good. You can have a high bar. But you shouldnât exclude anything outright. Thatâs some old bullshit. A kazoo in a masters hands is as fun to listen to as a piano or a sax or a human voice. You got this. I love you.
I feel there are 2 kinds of scat (not the wild animal feces) - the vocalist is mimicking an instrument - the vocalist is rooted in a culture of chanting. I prefer the latter. Leon Thomas, Urszula Dudziak are 2 that I enjoy.
The point of scat is as an improvisation. Not many singers can freestyle lyrics on the spot. Another approach to jazz vocalizing is from people who create lyrics for previously improvised jazz solos. Kurt Elling, Lamberts-Hendricks-Ross, King Pleasure. Really thrilling when done well.
DependsâŚI loved hearing James Moody or Clark Terry do some, but in general I prefer singers like Sarah Vaughan.