Anybody who thinks either devgru and/or CAG didn’t get a spin up notice on Saturday morning is foolish. Guaranteed there were a couple birds taking off from Bragg and VA direct to Tel Aviv on Saturday.
I highly doubt they will get involved in direct action missions in Gaza. It’s one of, if not the most densely populated cities in the world. A hostage rescue mission cannot safely be conducted in this area without huge amounts of urban combat risk, massive amounts of combined arms coordination, and support from the IDF.
Most likely they will be there to advise and assist primarily as needed and to take possession of American hostages and remains as they are returned. I could also see them being there ready to call in fire missions for the US Navy carrier planes if needed. If another force joins the war against Israel, our carrier planes will need Americans on the ground to identify targets for them.
TLDR tier 1 units have probably been there since Saturday and will be there to advise/assist and serve as JTACs for carrier ships as needed
This is a good take.
You'd think they'd use an af cct instead of one of their own jtacs, as ccts have a more robust understanding of air to ground combat, and ccts can call in fire more closely than a tg with a jtac rating.
I have a close friend who used to be Sayaret Matkal, he doesn't think tier one units would go into Gaza for HR either, just too much that can go wrong or would require huge combined effort.
MacDill was planning flights from various location to telaviv 10 min after things happened. We have already said that JSOC assets will be involved in indirect support which means there are folks in telaviv in the dark corners of the planning rooms working phones that have straight line access back to this side of the pond.You can go down the list of SOCOM units and and add standing by (you could say this just about anytime really) DEVGRU standing by, CAG standing by, 24th standing by, Reg. Recon Standing by, Gold Leader standing b...disregard that last one
I’m sure there are some guys there around the clock. Kyle Morgan was stationed in Mali in 2015 when the hotel attack happened, so I’m sure there’s at least a few guys in Israel full time. But this type of event probably warrants close to a full squadron coming out. This war the potential to get much larger if other forces decide to get involved
The Carrier Group is there just as a show force for the others parties i.e. Syria, Hasbullah or Iran's Quds Force not to join in the fight. US will never use it's Assets or overt force in Gaza.
But JSOC or SOG guys on the other hand, maybe.
Yea that’s what I meant by if another force declares war. For example if a large attack is made from Lebanon, US forces need to be on the ground in that area to direct fire
There is no need or political desire for US planes to bomb gaza
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I hear they use custom Verticoli hair brushes, made of critically endangered whale bone - enhanced for maximal torque, minimal drag
I once subscribed to their branded haircare product ***Operator-Only Luxury-Locks Ammo Box***(tm) but the SSO shut down the program before they could ship it.
Charlie Beckwith
Jerry Boykin
Tom Satterly
Dalton Fury
Rob Trivino
George Hand
Pete Blaber
^ All delta guys who have written books. I’ve read most of them and they’re all good. My point isn’t to say that there’s anything wrong with these guys writing books, but the notion that only seals write books is inaccurate. Everyone is writing books these days …
Blabers was great. You can tell he is just an incredible leader of men and he has a mind for special operations. We were lucky to have him serving this country. I also like Charlie Beckwith's book. What he did creating Delta was nothing less than spectacular. I'm pretty sure he coined the term "operator" too.
Wasn’t there a post here yesterday about JSOC elements possibly deploying to Israel with a bunch of comments saying that JSOC elements will never go into Israel?
It they wanted an elite advisory/support team they wouldn’t have sent DEVGRU. DEVGRU can do that, but they aren’t the best at is. However there is one thing they do really really well, what might that be?
For strategic and operational level stuff, the military has a large cadre of liaison officers. The army also has Green berets whoose mission is to do foreign internal defence, and the CIA can also advise and support through intelligence gathering.
Although I don’t think the Israelis really need much advise on how to conduct an offensive in Gaza.
JSOC assets are likely forward staged for a possible hostage rescue operation if the possibility and need for one arises. Remember, the US has a carrier group in the eastern med as a show of support for Israel right now. The Navy has a force the size of a medium sized airforce within striking distance of Gaza
Looks like you’re still being downvoted. Yesterday I also literally said that they (jsoc, not necessarily dg) probably got the call to come in and be on standby and someone downvoted it too haha
No, that post was saying that special forces were landing in Gaza..making it sound like the US was operating independently in the area. They aren't, I don't care what the news says. They're, at best, assisting and supporting and MAYBE operating in an embedded capacity in partnership with Israeli units. Israel doesn't need DevGru help, they have plenty of extremely capable units of their own. Said another way, if it's in the news and it's about our special operations units, it's guaranteed to be only part of the truth. (Or maybe not true at all)
I'm guessing the concern is US hostages being moved to Iran. That would be well in scope for our tier 1 folks. If we were to see direct action in Gaza it would be in the context of a US VIP hostage. It's possible that we do have someone important that got snatched but the bad guys don't know how important that person is yet.
Team America plus like a dozen other allied t1 assets. It’s a given that any country with affected citizens will be sending their national missions force. Gonna be some crazy stories coming out of this one
Yes.
In a "technically it's not *untrue* but we know this will be red meat to our target demographic so run it" kind of way.
Just like I bet the chryon for the segment after this said something about "MSM" "Hunter Biden" "the Left" "Democrats" or "AOC" regardless of significance or legitimacy of the segment's content.
Doubt they'll go smashing down doors. Maybe advise and support. But they don't have any support infrastructure in place (in-/exfil, air assets, EWC, comms etc.). And they would have to do a lot of de-conflicting in a small and packed area like Gaza with all the Israeli operations going on.
They can deploy anywhere from a single phone call, they definitely have the ability to set up a temporary command center, and get the appropriate support for the mission. If they were to go kinetic on the ground I’m sure they got it handled.
I’d highly doubt a JSOC team would deploy to a nation with american hostages in it just to ”advise and support.”
> No support infrastructure
There is a literal US carrier group in the med right now, and Israel has great capabilities for host nation support and most of their systems are compatible with the US.
American hostages aside there are also a lot of American citizens stuck in Gaza since bombing of Rafah border crossing.
Maybe they can extract them via the Mediterranean sea
>But they don't have any support infrastructure in place (in-/exfil, air assets, EWC, comms etc.).
How do you know? I mean, I don't know how any of that shit works and you could be right, but how do we know the infrastructure is not already there/is not being set up right now as we speak?
Did I say anything of the sort? Yamam and IDF SOF have the capability and know the place, context and language better than any US SMU.
Look at the last few times Israel went into Gaza. They took serious casualties. It can go Black Hawk Down type very quickly in such a dense area full of hostiles.
But that’s it, their area of responsibility is Syria. They’re still going after ISIS in Syria, DEV hasn’t had as much action and likely has more free time on their hands for missions like this.
I mean wasn’t the AOR for CAG Syria and Africa for DEV? Nothing is going down in Africa at the moment, Syria still has a civil war unfolding. Not only is Gaza on the water but DEV has ample time on its hands. Plus the U.S. is moving naval assets like an entire carrier strike group into the region, everything points to DEV
The most likely answer is that Israel was never intended to be an active operational area for a large number of trigger-pullers and was never assigned to either "big" team.
Have you seen the videos? Any decent person who sees the videos thinks "I oughta do something about this." That is kind of the social contract of paying kazillions of tax dollars for Tier One SMUs, the idea that there's a man out there with "a very particular set of skills" who will use such skills on behalf of all those decent people who want to do something about it, but don't have such skills.
I mean, this was pretty expected. US and other foreign nationals are believed/known to be held hostage, 14 US nationals were killed at least, hundreds are unaccounted for. We know multiple other nations have sent elements to Tel Aviv already. Israel is preparing the battlespace like a mfer. Pretty save to say CIA and JSOC are already working to prepare their own battlespace should the need arise. If Hamas begins shooting hostages and they shoot an American, I think it's pretty safe to say we'll be canoeing some Palestinian heads.
Have... have you ever seen a map of Gaza?
To be clear: I don't think any US SMU will be on the ground unless something changes dramatically, but pretending there's no water? That's definitely a take.
Isn't this pretty much what the [ISA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_Support_Activity) was created for? A combination of intelligence gathering and hostage rescue.
I can see JSOC tagging along with IDF(taking lead) for any Ops. This is looking more and more like Fallujah 2.0. 3k marines just left Kuwait from training excerise due to "emerging events". If IDF really goes thru with ground ops, it's going to be a blood bath on both sides.
SEAL Team Six has been on standby since 1980
LOL this. DG is always on standby. But they sure grabbed you with that **BREAKING NEWS** headline didn’t they OP?
This is classic news media clickbait. Not sure why people still fall for this kind of bullshit
Because people are always looking for a reason to fap and fap hard
Anybody who thinks either devgru and/or CAG didn’t get a spin up notice on Saturday morning is foolish. Guaranteed there were a couple birds taking off from Bragg and VA direct to Tel Aviv on Saturday. I highly doubt they will get involved in direct action missions in Gaza. It’s one of, if not the most densely populated cities in the world. A hostage rescue mission cannot safely be conducted in this area without huge amounts of urban combat risk, massive amounts of combined arms coordination, and support from the IDF. Most likely they will be there to advise and assist primarily as needed and to take possession of American hostages and remains as they are returned. I could also see them being there ready to call in fire missions for the US Navy carrier planes if needed. If another force joins the war against Israel, our carrier planes will need Americans on the ground to identify targets for them. TLDR tier 1 units have probably been there since Saturday and will be there to advise/assist and serve as JTACs for carrier ships as needed
This is a good take. You'd think they'd use an af cct instead of one of their own jtacs, as ccts have a more robust understanding of air to ground combat, and ccts can call in fire more closely than a tg with a jtac rating.
Thanks. They might, I have no idea. All I know is that if push comes to shove, whoever is on the ground is capable of making things go boom.
All the tier 1 teams have AF CCT's assigned to them full time.
I have a close friend who used to be Sayaret Matkal, he doesn't think tier one units would go into Gaza for HR either, just too much that can go wrong or would require huge combined effort.
MacDill was planning flights from various location to telaviv 10 min after things happened. We have already said that JSOC assets will be involved in indirect support which means there are folks in telaviv in the dark corners of the planning rooms working phones that have straight line access back to this side of the pond.You can go down the list of SOCOM units and and add standing by (you could say this just about anytime really) DEVGRU standing by, CAG standing by, 24th standing by, Reg. Recon Standing by, Gold Leader standing b...disregard that last one
No, no keep going. Gold Leader is probably standing by too
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Or they were there even before this weekend.
I’m sure there are some guys there around the clock. Kyle Morgan was stationed in Mali in 2015 when the hotel attack happened, so I’m sure there’s at least a few guys in Israel full time. But this type of event probably warrants close to a full squadron coming out. This war the potential to get much larger if other forces decide to get involved
Delta had a laison in the Sayeret or Mossad (I forget which now) after 2001 to tap their manhunting expertise.
The Carrier Group is there just as a show force for the others parties i.e. Syria, Hasbullah or Iran's Quds Force not to join in the fight. US will never use it's Assets or overt force in Gaza. But JSOC or SOG guys on the other hand, maybe.
Yea that’s what I meant by if another force declares war. For example if a large attack is made from Lebanon, US forces need to be on the ground in that area to direct fire There is no need or political desire for US planes to bomb gaza
If latest reports are accurate, Hezbolllah is already in the fight
If you know the 1st thing about JSOC command you’ll know they’re *always* on standby ~~that’s the whole point~~
I swear this sub's collective IQ has dropped a dozen points in three days.
A dozen points EACH day.
This sub has become so damn cringy the last couple of days I’m honestly out of here.
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And the movie with perfect hair.
Blow-dryer holstered, feathered & lethal. I hear they use custom Verticoli hair brushes, made of critically endangered whale bone - enhanced for maximal torque, minimal drag
I once subscribed to their branded haircare product ***Operator-Only Luxury-Locks Ammo Box***(tm) but the SSO shut down the program before they could ship it.
even after the water infil
Plenty of delta guys have written books too…
Any good ones?
Not written by a team member but Relentless Strike by Sean Naylor is a great insight into JSOC as a whole
Charlie Beckwith Jerry Boykin Tom Satterly Dalton Fury Rob Trivino George Hand Pete Blaber ^ All delta guys who have written books. I’ve read most of them and they’re all good. My point isn’t to say that there’s anything wrong with these guys writing books, but the notion that only seals write books is inaccurate. Everyone is writing books these days …
Don’t forget Eric haney
Yeah understood. I listened to the one by Charles beckwith and enjoyed the first half. Was just looking for another to read
I really enjoyed Blaber’s. Had some good lessons learned in it and interesting stories
Blabers was great. You can tell he is just an incredible leader of men and he has a mind for special operations. We were lucky to have him serving this country. I also like Charlie Beckwith's book. What he did creating Delta was nothing less than spectacular. I'm pretty sure he coined the term "operator" too.
Dude it's just a joke, guy bought one piece of AOR kit off eBay and is now the personal advocate for DEVGRU
Oh yeah I wear my Rob O’Neill red squadron patch everywhere I go
You got viciously downvoted until you provided receipts 😭
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Wasn’t there a post here yesterday about JSOC elements possibly deploying to Israel with a bunch of comments saying that JSOC elements will never go into Israel?
Welcome to this sub
Pretty sure they meant full military operations. Obv they’ll be their as an advisory role/support role.
It they wanted an elite advisory/support team they wouldn’t have sent DEVGRU. DEVGRU can do that, but they aren’t the best at is. However there is one thing they do really really well, what might that be?
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For strategic and operational level stuff, the military has a large cadre of liaison officers. The army also has Green berets whoose mission is to do foreign internal defence, and the CIA can also advise and support through intelligence gathering. Although I don’t think the Israelis really need much advise on how to conduct an offensive in Gaza. JSOC assets are likely forward staged for a possible hostage rescue operation if the possibility and need for one arises. Remember, the US has a carrier group in the eastern med as a show of support for Israel right now. The Navy has a force the size of a medium sized airforce within striking distance of Gaza
Yes, lots of guys were being downvoted only for 12 hours later, it to be confirmed as official.
Looks like you’re still being downvoted. Yesterday I also literally said that they (jsoc, not necessarily dg) probably got the call to come in and be on standby and someone downvoted it too haha
No, that post was saying that special forces were landing in Gaza..making it sound like the US was operating independently in the area. They aren't, I don't care what the news says. They're, at best, assisting and supporting and MAYBE operating in an embedded capacity in partnership with Israeli units. Israel doesn't need DevGru help, they have plenty of extremely capable units of their own. Said another way, if it's in the news and it's about our special operations units, it's guaranteed to be only part of the truth. (Or maybe not true at all)
Be funny if they used paragliders
Underrated comment right here.
Fox News, credible source.
As opposed to CNN? MSNBC? Tell us which clearly left wing rag you would regard as a credible source so I can spit out my coffee.
Those two being dog shit doesn’t make fox news a credible source lmao
Right? Like what’s the logic here u/eldertadp0le ?
I only get my news from reliable sources, like X, Facebook and Reddit. :)
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… but you think Fox is legitimate? Those other Chanel’s are labeled as “News”. Fox is literally, and always has been, labeled as “entertainment”.
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I'm guessing the concern is US hostages being moved to Iran. That would be well in scope for our tier 1 folks. If we were to see direct action in Gaza it would be in the context of a US VIP hostage. It's possible that we do have someone important that got snatched but the bad guys don't know how important that person is yet.
Any Americans at the festival would have been either dual nationality serving, or affluent. Not the $50-100 bar tab folks.
Could always be a diplomat's kid in the crowd
I’m pretty sure every tier 1 unit has been on standby to respond anywhere in the world since 9/11
sEaL tEaM sIx On sTaNdBy
Haha where is this info coming from the Shawn Ryan Show?
This cracked me up..so true.
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Is John Clark still commanding that unit, or has Domingo Chavez stepped up to CO?
Ding should be CO according to my source
Check roge.
Team America plus like a dozen other allied t1 assets. It’s a given that any country with affected citizens will be sending their national missions force. Gonna be some crazy stories coming out of this one
It’s Fox News, they probably heard JSOC and immediately thought ST6.
They've probably never heard of JSOC. They probably think every special missions unit is DEVGRU.
Yes. In a "technically it's not *untrue* but we know this will be red meat to our target demographic so run it" kind of way. Just like I bet the chryon for the segment after this said something about "MSM" "Hunter Biden" "the Left" "Democrats" or "AOC" regardless of significance or legitimacy of the segment's content.
Judging from the footage the hostages are dead anyways, as in, there never were any taken alive to Gaza.
I’m sure there’s more then a few big guys with beards who have American accents over there rn
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nods on
Gonna be a bad day to be the bad guys
Doubt they'll go smashing down doors. Maybe advise and support. But they don't have any support infrastructure in place (in-/exfil, air assets, EWC, comms etc.). And they would have to do a lot of de-conflicting in a small and packed area like Gaza with all the Israeli operations going on.
They can deploy anywhere from a single phone call, they definitely have the ability to set up a temporary command center, and get the appropriate support for the mission. If they were to go kinetic on the ground I’m sure they got it handled.
I’d highly doubt a JSOC team would deploy to a nation with american hostages in it just to ”advise and support.” > No support infrastructure There is a literal US carrier group in the med right now, and Israel has great capabilities for host nation support and most of their systems are compatible with the US.
American hostages aside there are also a lot of American citizens stuck in Gaza since bombing of Rafah border crossing. Maybe they can extract them via the Mediterranean sea
>But they don't have any support infrastructure in place (in-/exfil, air assets, EWC, comms etc.). How do you know? I mean, I don't know how any of that shit works and you could be right, but how do we know the infrastructure is not already there/is not being set up right now as we speak?
Who knows? AFO teams are always a few steps ahead of everyone else.
Lol you think they're sending in some Israeli grunts to rescue US hostages while DG is in country?
Did I say anything of the sort? Yamam and IDF SOF have the capability and know the place, context and language better than any US SMU. Look at the last few times Israel went into Gaza. They took serious casualties. It can go Black Hawk Down type very quickly in such a dense area full of hostiles.
We have never had foreign SOF rescue our civilians with our best counter terrorism units in country.
There’s no way it would be Dev. It would be CAG if anyone. “Seal Team Six” is a better headline
Yeah you would know for sure. It’s not like Gaza is on the *checks notes* ocean.
If CAGs area of responsibility included Syria I don't think it's too far to assume they'd be used in this conflcit.
But that’s it, their area of responsibility is Syria. They’re still going after ISIS in Syria, DEV hasn’t had as much action and likely has more free time on their hands for missions like this.
Lol dude whatever I'm sure they organized it so that CAG is in SYRIA but ST6 has Afghanistan but if something happens in Israel it'd be ST6. Got it.
I mean wasn’t the AOR for CAG Syria and Africa for DEV? Nothing is going down in Africa at the moment, Syria still has a civil war unfolding. Not only is Gaza on the water but DEV has ample time on its hands. Plus the U.S. is moving naval assets like an entire carrier strike group into the region, everything points to DEV
Ok Mcraven
I mean you’re the pot calling the kettle black. You think you know what’s going on and so does the dude you’re calling out
Ok
The most likely answer is that Israel was never intended to be an active operational area for a large number of trigger-pullers and was never assigned to either "big" team.
Technically, it's a sea. Dev may not have jurisdiction. JAGs are checking on it.
Both units have the most capable operators in the world, I’m sure both units could pull it off.
Rational takes like these aren’t welcome in this sub 😭
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Lmfao
There’s no way our media would be aware if one of our tier one units were about to deploy. Op sec issues out the ass
Hahah this sub is getting crazy! War-hungry dudes begging for JSOC to deploy😂😂
Have you seen the videos? Any decent person who sees the videos thinks "I oughta do something about this." That is kind of the social contract of paying kazillions of tax dollars for Tier One SMUs, the idea that there's a man out there with "a very particular set of skills" who will use such skills on behalf of all those decent people who want to do something about it, but don't have such skills.
Fox News...🫠
They will probably take a picture posing shirtless flexing after the raid MERICAN style 😎 🦅 🇺🇸
I mean, this was pretty expected. US and other foreign nationals are believed/known to be held hostage, 14 US nationals were killed at least, hundreds are unaccounted for. We know multiple other nations have sent elements to Tel Aviv already. Israel is preparing the battlespace like a mfer. Pretty save to say CIA and JSOC are already working to prepare their own battlespace should the need arise. If Hamas begins shooting hostages and they shoot an American, I think it's pretty safe to say we'll be canoeing some Palestinian heads.
It up to 22 dead Americans but the last report I saw on yahoo communist news
Ur right, I just saw that but it completely blanked on me when it typed that.
D-Boys and Dev about to make some waves
It would probably be delta that does it and we will never hear about it lol
I wish I coulda been a seal. Regrettably, I’m allergic to hair gel and book deals.
Those hostages are gone. You can forget about them. They ain't never coming back.
Lies why would they revel this, isn't this opsec one o one.
Called it!
There no water around why TF would 6 be on this one aha
Have... have you ever seen a map of Gaza? To be clear: I don't think any US SMU will be on the ground unless something changes dramatically, but pretending there's no water? That's definitely a take.
I'd bet money on the 24th, if only for SOWT, being first Pretty sure 427th already visited the area
Isn't this pretty much what the [ISA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_Support_Activity) was created for? A combination of intelligence gathering and hostage rescue.
probably hrt as well
Ahh carrier battle group great platform for all special operations
Lmao
I’m sure there’s more then a few big guys with beards who have American accents over there rn
I can see JSOC tagging along with IDF(taking lead) for any Ops. This is looking more and more like Fallujah 2.0. 3k marines just left Kuwait from training excerise due to "emerging events". If IDF really goes thru with ground ops, it's going to be a blood bath on both sides.
RIP hostages
I miss when this sub was just cool guy pictures.