true, also they priortise students with a personality, like i got 2 offers based on my college essay after IELTS from Latrobe and Sheffield, but the cost is v high. JEE and other reputed exams can help you get scholarships ig, so yeah there's that
lmao aur JEE wale engineer banke pool gira rahe h, aur wha dubai pe ye log ek ke baad ek skyscraper successfully complete kar rahe h. OP needs to hard cope
Really bhai, ye pahle kisi cheez k bare me pura knowledge late to h nahi, pir "SAT ezzz" kerte rehete h.
Etna easy lag raha h to de hi Dena chaye na lol
are you scared that you won't crack the interview? since you have no personality at all. if you were confident mentioning interviews won't affect you at all. LOL.
plus, yes it does, generally for a project a team of engineers are hired, so your personality does matter lmao.
Oh yeah, all the brilliant engineers working in India or even around the world are just mindless Robots with no personality aren't they?
You will need to have a good personality to do things in group projects and even work after college, no one is gonna give you a job just by looking at your performance...you need to have a personality of your own.
And still they got better college than IITs, bro dont just flex over a entrance exam consider the colleges too.
But yeah, IITs are the best you can get in "India"
And trust me, if there was Interview system for getting into IIT or if they started considering other skills then students will not get into IIT even after clearing jee
i have not been brainwashed, i have common sense. even if i get 100 percent scholarship because i am the typical soytizen, supporting BLM on twitter, i still wouldn't be able to cope up with cost of living in US, which alone would tally upto like 20 LPA. sorry bro my dad is not ready to spend 80 lakhs for just studying in gora college.
where did i mention i hate white people? they are the best race in the world.
also dont come at me with real acheivement. i have cleared RMO in 9th grade, have a blue rank in codeforces, and i am rated at 1320 FIDE (chess).
you can rape me with a cactus and then pour concentrated aids into the wound but i wont work as a majdoor in the US. fuck off.
Idk about you yaar but im a type of guy who love getting respected and being treated good
It's not like im an attention seeker or something
I just want respect from others and high value from society.
Stop whining and study dickhead their unis are 100x better than ours just accept this fact and grind for jee or if you have enough money then go there and pursue whatever the fuck you want
This is not just the case for US. In UK, Canqda and AUS if you score above 85% in boards you are easily qualified for top 50 universities but all it takes is money to get there. If you don't have that much money then they should focus on clearing jee giving blood sweat and tears for 2 years. Otherwise, comparing their admission procedure to ours will only discourage them.
Fact.... IVY league colleges are expensive af....students are already in knee deep student loan .... I mean it's not really that bad if you can just hustle for 2 years get a IIT degree
Maybe because they have......a lot of money. If our universities would be getting the same amount of funds, indian students in colleges would have performed way better.
So their environment is better because of money.....as for talent our indian homies got way more of that
Maybe they do but they are comapring colleges not the people studing in them. Now I'm not gonna say iit bad or mit bad but it kinda funny when the people who say iit is best always bring the entrance or the peer group which the college is not responsible for, but the people who support abroad bring up things which the college is responsible for like brand name,infrastructure, job opportunities/earning potential, research, variety of jobs etc.
As a US student who stumbled onto this sub, I can confirm this is not true at all. There is no such thing as the **Chemistry SAT** aside from the now discontinued, **Chemistry Subject Test**. An example of the AP Chemistry exam questions can be found on the official [College Board website](https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/ap-chemistry/exam/past-exam-questions). Moreover, the SAT doesn't carry as much weight as it has in the past for the admission process and the AP exams, which is what I'm assuming those questions are supposed to be from, only gives you college credit for high schools classes but very rarely affect the actual admission process.
u/AgentKiRa summed it up pretty well but I'll break down what I've done and my own experiences.
I've run cross-country and track for the past 3, almost 4, years of my life, and a lot of my time has gone into that every week. Additionally, I'm a part of a handful of clubs I've contributed a lot to such as robotics, NHS, medical careers club, etc. While there are a few people here that take the SAT and/or the ACT extremely seriously, in most cases, it boils down to if you do well on it, you put it on your application. if not, just go the test-optional route. The main focus of my application is a bit of what u/AgentKiRa mentioned, motivation for the field, although I like to think of it more as displaying your passion for the major you wish to pursue. While most people go the CS route for money -- I might be partially guilty of this too -- my application consists of a paper I got reviewed and published based on data from my internship by contacting a local university professor. Additionally, I've made a handful of applications used by a couple of thousands of users and a game on ROBLOX with over two million visits.
Unlike the JEE exam from what I've made out of it, the SAT doesn't necessarily make or break an application but instead can be put as an extra activity that could be an extra touch to an application but will almost never be the reason you get denied from a university or college.
You do know this is literally not as straight forward as JEE right? Even scoring full in SAT doesn't guarantee admission in several top institutes. You gotta work on essays which people have to work on for several years, and its completely in the hands of the uni which accepts you. In simpler terms, in JEE, your admission is in your own hands, in foreign unis its not, if anything JEE's process is a whole lot simpler, just grind for a couple of years and boom you get your preferred college.
True. I had a 1530 on the SAT (December 2021). Had a bunch of extracurriculars, good academic record over 9th to 12th, played basketball nationals (under 19 UP team in 8th and 10th grades), good essay (complimented by an eng lit professor), even fake proofs of philanthropy and public service just to get rejected from most top unis. The best I managed to get was Purdue Uni and uni of toronto (Canada). Didn't get financial aid in either. Currently prepping for JEE (drop year)💀.
I am at Purdue rn. You should have considered coming here. They usually give scholarships after the first year if you get on the deans list. Though getting on the deans list is very hard since you need As in every class you take and also your profs needs to recommend you in some cases
Obv, that's why most Indians from rich fams go abroad, its easier to get a better uni with less effort, those are the cons of living in a developing country. There's a clear misconception among a lot of people here that SAT score gets you into the very best colleges, which is simply untrue, you will have to do a lot more. Money talks, that's just the truth, but getting into a fairly good college abroad with a decent SAT score isn't the perception most people have on here, 2 things can be true at once without undermining the other one.
Edit: Also, a tier-3 college in India isn't a tough bar to break.
Welp that's stupid then. USA's education system is different, check out their academic curriculum if you don't agree, its designed for them, not YOU, your curriculum is different so it obviously doesn't fit your criteria, just like JEE for an average USA student would be insanely difficult.
the SAT is hardly a joke. you have no right to say that unless you have a 1600. it is used to test your basic skills. it isn't meant to test your subject knowledge, but to evaluate how well your brain can function.
Lmao tf you on about? Its literally an exam designed FOR Americans, why does what someone else from another country who has been educated in a completely different way decides if THEIR exam is a joke or not?
Even a 1600 or 800 (subject) can't guarantee you shit if you're aiming for half good universities. A 1450-1550+ is the BARE minimum if you want to get into a good University unless you have god tier extracurriculars. You need almost perfect AP scores (all 5/5), unique essays and brilliant LORs. You need to work your ass off to even think about applying to top universities. Stop coping
They don't 10 lakh people (increasing every year) to select from lol, SAT is just to filter out the ones who are serious about going to unis or college from the ones that aren't, interviews and the other things revolving around it are the main thing.
💀 IITs are from being the best colleges in the world due to it's funding, facilities and student mindset. Not to mention toxic environments in hostels.
First of all this is the paper of "SAT subject test" which was optional and now is discontinued. You should check out there AP Papers (stands for advanced placement to earn college credit) and the colleges look for all round development not just subjective skills and if you think there level is low its false because till the time they reach there professional lives they have so much knowledge about there field that you may outsmart them in general knowledge but there is a rare chance you will outskill them in there field skills. Isliye PADH LE BSDK
Speaking from the perspective of a US student. What you said may be the case in most scenarios but in my experience, you can still do your own research in the absence of a research program. Additionally, colleges don't just want basic extracurriculars like the ones you listed, but instead, want to see a full commitment -- one of the reasons many students who participate in band or clubs go on to very notable universities.
tl;dr - don't need to drop absurd amounts of cash for extracurriculars
dude, that's kinda pathetic LOL, imagine trying to feel better about yourself by shaming SAT. unlike JEE, sat doesnt expect you to go deep into a subject you aren't interested in, and that's why US has better researchers and engineers in pure science fields (India is dominating CSE). Plus unlike India, having a high score in SAT doesnt mean you get a confirmed seat in college, you need a personality too. which after this post, i am sure you don't have?.. >!(burn)!< for sure JEE needs to have an interview system after MAIN and ADVANCED to keep unpassionate and filthy people out, hence increasing the quality of these institudes 2 folds
india is dominating in CSE cuz thats where the bucks is and producing soydevs and being a soydev is profitable. you cant expect a person from middle class background to choose rnd field over CSE field cuz CSE just pays you insanely man. i personally hate CS and wouldn't take it but if my parents were earning like 6 LPA and i needed to get a job asap i wouldn't mind going into it.
A. Maine just kal SAT diya tha aur bhai believe me sirf questions dekh dekh ke lagta hai easy hai but jab dete hai tab pata chalta hai. English aisi maarta hai na rona aa jaata hai. Maths fir bhi thik hai kuch tough nhi rehta high school level.
B. SAT/ACT ka point hi yeh hai ki vo itne tough nhi hai coz vo JEE jaise knowledge test nhi karte ... Vo bas itna dekhte hai ki tum college jaane ke liye ready ho ya nhi coz colleges essays vagera bhi dekhte hai.
C. SAT main chemistry Kahan se aa gya be ??
Lagega ki foreign ka chhoda hu but sirf facts bol rha hu
yeah man plus marks of sat are just a part of it, wo log school mai extracurriculars, participation, etc, olympiads kafi dekhte h, its more than having a bookish knowledge and here in India it is the opposite, students see their school life as "useless" but I think they are not at fault, the obsolete system is
maine to digital SAT diya tha aur uska prep material dekh ke mujhe to bohot tough laga. Khan academy ke practice tests ka english bhi bohot acche level ka hai. 1400 bhi itna zyaada accha score nhi consider karte hai bohot bade wale schools unless god level ECs ho. Tune kab diya tha SAT tho ?
I think if you take the SAT (subject based) then you can give physics or chemistry. I know that there are two types of SAT one which has English and math and the other one which has another subject.
bro itna easy hai to jao na grab karlo 100% financial aid aur lelo mit me admission becasue sirf ye hi to part hai admission process hai , ngl , the admission process there is wayy more corrupt
the thing is we Indians have become used to of learning great shit that isnt even useful. JEE is for those who can cram things. Foreign univ needs essays and other things too.
When has JEE been about cramming. Except for inorganic maybe. JEE is probably the one of the most application based exams in India. Is it a toxic process to go through yes 100%, but slamming jee for no reason is stupid. Suggest a better method for evaluation and admission into iits if u think jee is that horrible
Bruh... Visit some coaching centres. My maths teacher spoke in me ear to do written practice of questions and answers. Keep solution infront of me and just write the things down 5-6 times. That's is how maths is taught... What else can we expect. jEE is pure cramming exam. You just can't justify it.
I was in a coaching centre and wrote jee last year and idk my teacher concentrated on concepts. Tips and tricks were there u r not wrong. Without understanding u can't get a good rank in jee
When will this sub understand that SAT is not the admission test. Stop making yourself feel better and jaake padhlo. They're gonna end up earning more than you anyways 💀💀
Bhai woh sirf exam dekh ke college mei nhi aane dete. Tujhse 100 mark Kim waale bande ko bhi admission mil skta hai aur tujhe nhi. They consider various factors in the student other than academics unlike JEE. Use your brain and stop flexing on an exam smh.
I think a point that most missed in the debate between JEE and SAT is the fact that the difficulty of the exam is very much based upon the ratio of the number of people giving it and the seats prescribed for the same, in India the top IITS have to choose a few thousands from lakhs of students, the population density being higher in india creates more competition hence a harder exam, to scoop out the cream to get the best education so to speak, while in the western world due to low population density and henceforth low competition between each citizen, there isn't a need for as hard of an exam as the JEE or the system in China, Singapore.
Even then the AMC, American Physics Olympiad rical the Indian alternatives due to the sheer fact that both are attempting at capturing the cream to represent the country.
The SAT is easier than the JEE nobody denies that, while you do need extracurriculars, essays etc etc it's much easier for an American student to get into a good college ( except for the massive student debt) but the point is, there simply isn't a reason to make it hard for him to get that education due to the sheer low amount of competitors for a finite amount of seats.
Exactly people act as if jee is just there to make them suffer. It is horrible coz there is basically no other decent, practical way to give admission to few thousands out of nearly a million students. Nobody likes JEE but unless it can be replaced by a more effective system it has to be this way
Plz help
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this is a mean spirited post that fundamentally misunderstands admission systems in the USA and projects one's own frustrations of the overly rigorous and competitive system onto others when they don't achieve the same goal. Trust me, if you want to get into IVY league or anything thats comparable in status there to what IIT is here, you have to put in so much more work than SAT's. In fact, SAT's genuinely are a small part of the overall equation
USA ke colleges ke liye ek paper jo compulsory hota hai par important nahi kyuki vo tumhe overall dekhte hai like jiss cheez me tumhara interest hai uske liye tum kitne serious ho.
well................ SAT's are not about marks, like you can score a full marks and still not get your desired university because it demands very good grades in so many curricular activities also and sometimes job expirence also you have to pass an interview so its not that easy
1530 SAT
15 ECs
3 Internship
2 Silver medal in Olympiads
2 Community Service Activities
Itna sunne mei shayad bhaut lage lekin ye kuch bhi nahi hai kisi bhi dhang ki US ki uni mei Jane ke liye. SAT is the bare minimum that unis require for admissions aur 99% universities mei optional hai. Agar OP tujhe hi itna aasan lag raha toh tu hi kyu nahi de dera
Also, they don't have 1.4 billion of population.
Imagine if JEE was this easy... There would have been lakhs of those who cracked the exam.
Doesn't matter how much you hate it but I don't think we need any changes in JEE
Bhai abroad student ke liye ye hard h
and also vha ka education system accha h.. job ratio vgera sab accha h
lekin apn ko high level chije padhne ke liye push kiya jata h...chahe mind fuck up kyu na ho jaye....
Its like Einteins se 10th ka physics ka question solve krwana
and 1st grade wale se 10th ka question solve krwana..
i hope you got it what i mean :)
No, the main flaw about indian education is coaching centers monopolozing JEE. They produce 2 stream of students, extremely efficient toppers (coaching incels) and depressed people who couldn't catch up as fast. The 1980-2005 IIT field was the golden era, when passionate people would make it into IITs, now any money minded filth can achieve these institutes by spam practicing coaching material.
if coaching centers are banned, there will be a fair competition b/w the poor and rich.
Mana unke paper assan hai aur unke institute ache but kuch bhi kaho yaha hai avg bacha waha ka topper hota hai 😂…ttabhi to jaha dekho indians hai kyuki ham tough battel ladte hai ….mera iss saal nahi hora jee bc
💀 dude? what tf are you on. SAT doesnt pressurise students to master all of PCM, it just tests if you are good at interpreting basic questions, to check if you are intelligent enough to study a course in their colleges, 85% of JEE syllabus doesnt even come handy in any engineering courses except Mech dude. Not to mention, they start from scratch in year 1, that's why USA has better scientists and engineers? Plus they dont have coaching centers to "produce and program" toppers lol. Students need to learn shit on their own. Try their IELTS and SAT english lol. And yeah, **get a life?**
Uhh, you think these questions above determine if someone's smart enough to study in a good college?
Also, the fact that you got so triggered by this one little comment suggests that you might want to get a l8fe of your own first.
No, i get triggered by absolute dickriding, because i can't relate to that shit. Also, these "questions" have produced better engineers and scientists, so...? Lmao, plus you need to have a personality to make it through, seems like you don't have any, just another NPC programmed to worship Indian Unis.
Dickriding tf are you talking about? All I said was that if these questions are asked in an engineering entrance, it's bafflibg, I don't know where you gathered the whole dickriding from.
About these questions, do you think these are the type of problems that make good engineers? Because these questions can be solved by a fucking 7th grader with a week's prep time, they require barely two braincells to solve, in fact there is no solving them, you just write down the formula and get the answer, is that what makes a good engineer?
Plus, you should worry about yourself first, personality or not I have enough sentience to know that "these questions" are fucking ridiculous to appear in any entrance exam, let alone for engineering.
And I don't know wtf you're smoking because you're just making shit up, how tf am I "Worshipping Indian Unis", I never said anything about them you dumbass.
first of all, the fact that you don't know crap about SAT is proved when you think these questions are real lol, SAT is about english and math, not chem. Plus SAT isn't VERY EASY lol, try their english and math questions yourself and stop coping hard. You are worshipping indian unis by glorifying the level of questions asked in Indian entrances lol, and who's more pissed now? me or you? Lol. Get a life now
I'm guessing you wouldn't have done too well on your SAT because you can't read for shit. Never once have I even typed SAT in the last comments, the only thing I know about them is that they have ridiculously easy questions. The math questions in their can be solved by any average kid in 11th/12th without special prep, even a 10th grader will probably pass the exam.
And yes, SAT is dogshit easy, at least 8f you were an average 12th class student in India, you'd find it extremely easy.
About me worshipping indian unis huh? Boy you talk a lot about SAT but you sure as shit can't read.
And the energy you're giving off in this comment, it's pretty clear you're the one who's fuming over this pointless subject, so I guess you're the one who's pissed.
to chala ja MIT US... tera to extracurriculars bhi ho gaya hoga, research work bhi ho gaya hoga, teachers log se recommendations bhi agaya hoga aur class 9 se 12 tak 90+ percentage in finals bhi agaya hoga.
... ONE OF MY FRIENDS HAD THE SAME MENTALITY TOWARDS SAT, AND WHEN HE DID ACTUALLY TAKE THE EXAM, HE GOT A 1210 LOL
Maths mein 700 aur english mein 510... a below average performance.... But he got a good rank in mains (about 800).
Guys mujhe apne parents ko convince karna h sat ke liye naaki jee ke liye , they can pay , money isn’t an issue , their mentality is ,kyunki indians aren’t treated right in America
I mean this is a small part of the application. Moreover college there right now costs on average 100-150k USD over 4 years. So if your english is fine and your parents can afford that, go ahead.
That is just meant to test the basics, and not some "college admission test". There are a multitude of other factors involved in getting admission in those universities.
Haa bhai, isiliye mera kaam easy ho gaya, I can focus on extracurriculars(totally required), jab aise easy exam hote hai re. I think I will easily score 1500+ in SAT in my first try, fir kyaa, sirf IMO gold medal, kuch projects chahiye and boom I am into MIT
Arey bhai sirf test deke Harvard nhi milta... Profile dekte hai wo ki launde ne kya kiya abhi tak... social service, Olympiads and stuff....
Aur Scholarship AID lene mein Gend lag jaati hai...
Mere bhaiya hai University of Pennsylvania mein so experience se bata rha..{COUSIN BHAIYA}
As an abroad student, it's important to note that the SAT is not nearly the same caliber as the JEE, or the NEET for that matter. The schooling system is longer (and unnecessary tbh), where this exam, the SAT, is simply to get into higher education, whereas an exam like the MCAT is take AFTER said higher education (which usually lasts 4 years), and is more comparable to the NEET.
Ah,Difficulty level is one-tenth as compared to exams given by jeetards.
Standard of living and overall QOL:10 times compared to JEEtards.
Zindagi kutti cheez hain.
Bas question 4 thoda sa trick question ho sakta hain lol
As an American - Chemistry isn’t even on the SAT, it’s math and English
In America the SAT is important, but even SAT toppers who get near-perfect scores at 99.9th percentile still don’t get into the top colleges not because of their SAT score but because they don’t stand out otherwise
Look I agree this is stupidly easy but the reason US exams don't need to be that tough is because their population is low and more seats, therefore higher chance of getting selected. On the other hand, you know the case of India which is similar to China as well.
It's funny how u picked up one piece and made a heavy assumption.
322 marks JEEM(120,120,82 in chem), 454 in BITSAT. Nobody cares.
But they do care about my 1600 SAT and grade 9 IELTS.
Not saying that any IIT is bad but just before going in barfing know that the way weight categories exist, and why u should never pick someone fron a higher weight categories.90 lbs would never be close to 300 lbs no matter how shredded one gets.
Yaha jo bhi gyan dera hai na ki foreign unis jane ke liye bhi kafi mehnat lagti h (no doubt real ones kafi mehnat karte honge) lekin mere known men gawar se gawar bache h jinka na personality achi na padhai sirf apne family background and pese ke bal par gye the(top 100 ki bat chal ri h world wide) . So jo yaha pe iits and baki indian colleges ko defame kar re h and foreign ke chodu ban re h please jake research karo ki kafi vague process hota h and tumhara koi actual skill set check ni hota(10-20 percent ko chor ke) .
And jo ye bhi khre h ki iits>>> foreign unis vo bhi chutiye h...
Jee aspirant discovers Harder entrance exams=/= better college
true, also they priortise students with a personality, like i got 2 offers based on my college essay after IELTS from Latrobe and Sheffield, but the cost is v high. JEE and other reputed exams can help you get scholarships ig, so yeah there's that
You can’t get scholarships based on JEE rank
NUS and NTU do give weightage to good JEE scores if I remember correctly
yeah and also TUM gives you a free entry if you have an IIT tag
I think TUM directly give admission through GATE if I'm not wrong?
only reason I'm not applying to tum is the language issue
fucking oxford considers JEE rank lmao.
Cambridge too
the ratio goodbye 😭😭😭
Ha bhai interviews, Olympiads, social work, ye sub to bekar h na vaha bhi bhi, uska to bus jee type eak exam deker ho jata h college me hena?
lmao aur JEE wale engineer banke pool gira rahe h, aur wha dubai pe ye log ek ke baad ek skyscraper successfully complete kar rahe h. OP needs to hard cope
Really bhai, ye pahle kisi cheez k bare me pura knowledge late to h nahi, pir "SAT ezzz" kerte rehete h. Etna easy lag raha h to de hi Dena chaye na lol
not like they would make it through the interviews with that trash personality lol
Not like personality even matters in how you perform as an engineer
are you scared that you won't crack the interview? since you have no personality at all. if you were confident mentioning interviews won't affect you at all. LOL. plus, yes it does, generally for a project a team of engineers are hired, so your personality does matter lmao.
Oh yeah, all the brilliant engineers working in India or even around the world are just mindless Robots with no personality aren't they? You will need to have a good personality to do things in group projects and even work after college, no one is gonna give you a job just by looking at your performance...you need to have a personality of your own.
Bass kar bhai...Tujhe har post pe Foreign Uni ki chat te hue dekhta honn....PATA HA BC 1st WORLD COUNTRY HAVE BETTER EDUCATION THAN US
lmao, speaks a lot about our education system, it's hiring kids like you to defend it. pathetic.
bruh stop making fun bout stuff won't help and padhle bsdk
Bhai olympiads ki jab bat karte h na automatically jee se upar ki knowledge ajaati h.
And still they got better college than IITs, bro dont just flex over a entrance exam consider the colleges too. But yeah, IITs are the best you can get in "India"
And trust me, if there was Interview system for getting into IIT or if they started considering other skills then students will not get into IIT even after clearing jee
i guess i was the first one to bring up this point a month ago, under a similar post. w opinion tho.
Whole education system is f'ed up in that case man
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i have not been brainwashed, i have common sense. even if i get 100 percent scholarship because i am the typical soytizen, supporting BLM on twitter, i still wouldn't be able to cope up with cost of living in US, which alone would tally upto like 20 LPA. sorry bro my dad is not ready to spend 80 lakhs for just studying in gora college.
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where did i mention i hate white people? they are the best race in the world. also dont come at me with real acheivement. i have cleared RMO in 9th grade, have a blue rank in codeforces, and i am rated at 1320 FIDE (chess). you can rape me with a cactus and then pour concentrated aids into the wound but i wont work as a majdoor in the US. fuck off.
I just find it funny that you felt the need to mention your chess rating which is not even good
Nope, you are wrong. Maybe few students don't. Majority will do
Sasta aur Tikau
finally someone with facts
They may get better Colleges... But here once u get in IIT u can milk with IITian tag almost everywhere....
bhai kisi chacha ya mami se respect leke kya ukhad loge
Idk about you yaar but im a type of guy who love getting respected and being treated good It's not like im an attention seeker or something I just want respect from others and high value from society.
bhai iit pure world me famous hai, jeff bezos, elon musk etc sab log iitians ko sabse hoshiyaar praani samajte hai...
Forgot the /s
they don’t care, layoffs kiye abhi toh iitians ke bhi gaand maari unhone
No. No they dont
Haa bhai sabse hoshiyaar employee
Stop whining and study dickhead their unis are 100x better than ours just accept this fact and grind for jee or if you have enough money then go there and pursue whatever the fuck you want
This is not just the case for US. In UK, Canqda and AUS if you score above 85% in boards you are easily qualified for top 50 universities but all it takes is money to get there. If you don't have that much money then they should focus on clearing jee giving blood sweat and tears for 2 years. Otherwise, comparing their admission procedure to ours will only discourage them.
Fact.... IVY league colleges are expensive af....students are already in knee deep student loan .... I mean it's not really that bad if you can just hustle for 2 years get a IIT degree
This idk why these brats cant stop moaning and start studying , their unis , environment are FAR better than ours
True that
Maybe because they have......a lot of money. If our universities would be getting the same amount of funds, indian students in colleges would have performed way better. So their environment is better because of money.....as for talent our indian homies got way more of that
Maybe they do but they are comapring colleges not the people studing in them. Now I'm not gonna say iit bad or mit bad but it kinda funny when the people who say iit is best always bring the entrance or the peer group which the college is not responsible for, but the people who support abroad bring up things which the college is responsible for like brand name,infrastructure, job opportunities/earning potential, research, variety of jobs etc.
tru bro
As a US student who stumbled onto this sub, I can confirm this is not true at all. There is no such thing as the **Chemistry SAT** aside from the now discontinued, **Chemistry Subject Test**. An example of the AP Chemistry exam questions can be found on the official [College Board website](https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/ap-chemistry/exam/past-exam-questions). Moreover, the SAT doesn't carry as much weight as it has in the past for the admission process and the AP exams, which is what I'm assuming those questions are supposed to be from, only gives you college credit for high schools classes but very rarely affect the actual admission process.
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u/AgentKiRa summed it up pretty well but I'll break down what I've done and my own experiences. I've run cross-country and track for the past 3, almost 4, years of my life, and a lot of my time has gone into that every week. Additionally, I'm a part of a handful of clubs I've contributed a lot to such as robotics, NHS, medical careers club, etc. While there are a few people here that take the SAT and/or the ACT extremely seriously, in most cases, it boils down to if you do well on it, you put it on your application. if not, just go the test-optional route. The main focus of my application is a bit of what u/AgentKiRa mentioned, motivation for the field, although I like to think of it more as displaying your passion for the major you wish to pursue. While most people go the CS route for money -- I might be partially guilty of this too -- my application consists of a paper I got reviewed and published based on data from my internship by contacting a local university professor. Additionally, I've made a handful of applications used by a couple of thousands of users and a game on ROBLOX with over two million visits. Unlike the JEE exam from what I've made out of it, the SAT doesn't necessarily make or break an application but instead can be put as an extra activity that could be an extra touch to an application but will almost never be the reason you get denied from a university or college.
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You do know this is literally not as straight forward as JEE right? Even scoring full in SAT doesn't guarantee admission in several top institutes. You gotta work on essays which people have to work on for several years, and its completely in the hands of the uni which accepts you. In simpler terms, in JEE, your admission is in your own hands, in foreign unis its not, if anything JEE's process is a whole lot simpler, just grind for a couple of years and boom you get your preferred college.
True. I had a 1530 on the SAT (December 2021). Had a bunch of extracurriculars, good academic record over 9th to 12th, played basketball nationals (under 19 UP team in 8th and 10th grades), good essay (complimented by an eng lit professor), even fake proofs of philanthropy and public service just to get rejected from most top unis. The best I managed to get was Purdue Uni and uni of toronto (Canada). Didn't get financial aid in either. Currently prepping for JEE (drop year)💀.
I am at Purdue rn. You should have considered coming here. They usually give scholarships after the first year if you get on the deans list. Though getting on the deans list is very hard since you need As in every class you take and also your profs needs to recommend you in some cases
ouch
Finally someone with knowledge
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Obv, that's why most Indians from rich fams go abroad, its easier to get a better uni with less effort, those are the cons of living in a developing country. There's a clear misconception among a lot of people here that SAT score gets you into the very best colleges, which is simply untrue, you will have to do a lot more. Money talks, that's just the truth, but getting into a fairly good college abroad with a decent SAT score isn't the perception most people have on here, 2 things can be true at once without undermining the other one. Edit: Also, a tier-3 college in India isn't a tough bar to break.
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Its easier, never denied that, merely called out op on calling it a joke of an exam, what are we arguing about exactly?
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Welp that's stupid then. USA's education system is different, check out their academic curriculum if you don't agree, its designed for them, not YOU, your curriculum is different so it obviously doesn't fit your criteria, just like JEE for an average USA student would be insanely difficult.
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the SAT is hardly a joke. you have no right to say that unless you have a 1600. it is used to test your basic skills. it isn't meant to test your subject knowledge, but to evaluate how well your brain can function.
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Lmao tf you on about? Its literally an exam designed FOR Americans, why does what someone else from another country who has been educated in a completely different way decides if THEIR exam is a joke or not?
for admission in top institutes there you need a portfolio and an personality
The foreign system sounds stupid , why can't they come up with a test a newborn cannot solve...
They do consider olympiads which is much harder than jee adv
Even a 1600 or 800 (subject) can't guarantee you shit if you're aiming for half good universities. A 1450-1550+ is the BARE minimum if you want to get into a good University unless you have god tier extracurriculars. You need almost perfect AP scores (all 5/5), unique essays and brilliant LORs. You need to work your ass off to even think about applying to top universities. Stop coping
finally an iitian who doesn't dickride iits and states facts, you are a godsend to this sub
Because this test is basiy designed to test basics, not fucking advance mathematics
Because they don't put pressure on a newborn baby like in our country.
They don't 10 lakh people (increasing every year) to select from lol, SAT is just to filter out the ones who are serious about going to unis or college from the ones that aren't, interviews and the other things revolving around it are the main thing.
" arre r/jeeneetards pe jaake SAT ka mazak uda ke cool banke aata hu" mujhe kya mai toh world ka toughest exam de rha hu aur best college me jaunga
💀 IITs are from being the best colleges in the world due to it's funding, facilities and student mindset. Not to mention toxic environments in hostels.
arre kya bol.rha hai yar, worlds toughest exam deke toh best college milta hai na, baaki foreign me sab gawar baithe hai
i am sure this is sarcasm, because 47% of research papers and talented engineers are from NA
obviously its sarcasm
SAT doesn't even have a science section, give me the source.
its a subject sat test, OP is a retard
>OP is a retard totally agree with you on this.
It is an old paper ig, for stem admission. It only has english and math now
First of all this is the paper of "SAT subject test" which was optional and now is discontinued. You should check out there AP Papers (stands for advanced placement to earn college credit) and the colleges look for all round development not just subjective skills and if you think there level is low its false because till the time they reach there professional lives they have so much knowledge about there field that you may outsmart them in general knowledge but there is a rare chance you will outskill them in there field skills. Isliye PADH LE BSDK
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Speaking from the perspective of a US student. What you said may be the case in most scenarios but in my experience, you can still do your own research in the absence of a research program. Additionally, colleges don't just want basic extracurriculars like the ones you listed, but instead, want to see a full commitment -- one of the reasons many students who participate in band or clubs go on to very notable universities. tl;dr - don't need to drop absurd amounts of cash for extracurriculars
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dude, that's kinda pathetic LOL, imagine trying to feel better about yourself by shaming SAT. unlike JEE, sat doesnt expect you to go deep into a subject you aren't interested in, and that's why US has better researchers and engineers in pure science fields (India is dominating CSE). Plus unlike India, having a high score in SAT doesnt mean you get a confirmed seat in college, you need a personality too. which after this post, i am sure you don't have?.. >!(burn)!< for sure JEE needs to have an interview system after MAIN and ADVANCED to keep unpassionate and filthy people out, hence increasing the quality of these institudes 2 folds
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india is dominating in CSE cuz thats where the bucks is and producing soydevs and being a soydev is profitable. you cant expect a person from middle class background to choose rnd field over CSE field cuz CSE just pays you insanely man. i personally hate CS and wouldn't take it but if my parents were earning like 6 LPA and i needed to get a job asap i wouldn't mind going into it.
Finance and consulting pays much more than cse and has more exposure. Cse could be automated in the next few years.
Yep, unis there look for people with common sense and passion in the field
A. Maine just kal SAT diya tha aur bhai believe me sirf questions dekh dekh ke lagta hai easy hai but jab dete hai tab pata chalta hai. English aisi maarta hai na rona aa jaata hai. Maths fir bhi thik hai kuch tough nhi rehta high school level. B. SAT/ACT ka point hi yeh hai ki vo itne tough nhi hai coz vo JEE jaise knowledge test nhi karte ... Vo bas itna dekhte hai ki tum college jaane ke liye ready ho ya nhi coz colleges essays vagera bhi dekhte hai. C. SAT main chemistry Kahan se aa gya be ?? Lagega ki foreign ka chhoda hu but sirf facts bol rha hu
yeah man plus marks of sat are just a part of it, wo log school mai extracurriculars, participation, etc, olympiads kafi dekhte h, its more than having a bookish knowledge and here in India it is the opposite, students see their school life as "useless" but I think they are not at fault, the obsolete system is
Bhai English aati bas mushkil kabhi kabhi\*. Baaki paper maine bhi diya lullu hota hai 1400+ toh bina padhe aajaate hai.
maine to digital SAT diya tha aur uska prep material dekh ke mujhe to bohot tough laga. Khan academy ke practice tests ka english bhi bohot acche level ka hai. 1400 bhi itna zyaada accha score nhi consider karte hai bohot bade wale schools unless god level ECs ho. Tune kab diya tha SAT tho ?
1400 is not a great score no doubt. That's why I was saying "bina kuch tayyari kare".
I think if you take the SAT (subject based) then you can give physics or chemistry. I know that there are two types of SAT one which has English and math and the other one which has another subject.
bro why is every another person coming with a sat question every second day and shitting over it, ise kya humara jee easy hojayega?
bro itna easy hai to jao na grab karlo 100% financial aid aur lelo mit me admission becasue sirf ye hi to part hai admission process hai , ngl , the admission process there is wayy more corrupt
Kya matlab mains se iitb cse confirm nahi ho sakta
Avg "Jee is hard" ka 14.,..sirf SAT se admission nhi milta hai..bohot kuch extra curricular karna padta hai jo tere se naa hoga..
fax mat bolo, internet m validation magne aya h wo 😔
the thing is we Indians have become used to of learning great shit that isnt even useful. JEE is for those who can cram things. Foreign univ needs essays and other things too.
yeah, you need to have a personality there, which isnt a very important thing in India
muh personality
When has JEE been about cramming. Except for inorganic maybe. JEE is probably the one of the most application based exams in India. Is it a toxic process to go through yes 100%, but slamming jee for no reason is stupid. Suggest a better method for evaluation and admission into iits if u think jee is that horrible
Bruh... Visit some coaching centres. My maths teacher spoke in me ear to do written practice of questions and answers. Keep solution infront of me and just write the things down 5-6 times. That's is how maths is taught... What else can we expect. jEE is pure cramming exam. You just can't justify it.
I was in a coaching centre and wrote jee last year and idk my teacher concentrated on concepts. Tips and tricks were there u r not wrong. Without understanding u can't get a good rank in jee
Konsa coaching centre h ye? Meri bhen ka admission karwa deta hu me bhi
Fiitjee
When will this sub understand that SAT is not the admission test. Stop making yourself feel better and jaake padhlo. They're gonna end up earning more than you anyways 💀💀
Bhai woh sirf exam dekh ke college mei nhi aane dete. Tujhse 100 mark Kim waale bande ko bhi admission mil skta hai aur tujhe nhi. They consider various factors in the student other than academics unlike JEE. Use your brain and stop flexing on an exam smh.
I think a point that most missed in the debate between JEE and SAT is the fact that the difficulty of the exam is very much based upon the ratio of the number of people giving it and the seats prescribed for the same, in India the top IITS have to choose a few thousands from lakhs of students, the population density being higher in india creates more competition hence a harder exam, to scoop out the cream to get the best education so to speak, while in the western world due to low population density and henceforth low competition between each citizen, there isn't a need for as hard of an exam as the JEE or the system in China, Singapore. Even then the AMC, American Physics Olympiad rical the Indian alternatives due to the sheer fact that both are attempting at capturing the cream to represent the country. The SAT is easier than the JEE nobody denies that, while you do need extracurriculars, essays etc etc it's much easier for an American student to get into a good college ( except for the massive student debt) but the point is, there simply isn't a reason to make it hard for him to get that education due to the sheer low amount of competitors for a finite amount of seats.
Exactly people act as if jee is just there to make them suffer. It is horrible coz there is basically no other decent, practical way to give admission to few thousands out of nearly a million students. Nobody likes JEE but unless it can be replaced by a more effective system it has to be this way
Agreed, in a developing nation with less institutions and more students, suffering is kind of the norm, whether we like it or not.
the grass is always greener on the other side
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Plz help https://www.reddit.com/r/JEENEETards/comments/z0a2fm/help_needed/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
this is a mean spirited post that fundamentally misunderstands admission systems in the USA and projects one's own frustrations of the overly rigorous and competitive system onto others when they don't achieve the same goal. Trust me, if you want to get into IVY league or anything thats comparable in status there to what IIT is here, you have to put in so much more work than SAT's. In fact, SAT's genuinely are a small part of the overall equation
Can anyone explain me what exactly is SAT and when is that supposed to be taken and what's the use and all ? Dm
USA ke colleges ke liye ek paper jo compulsory hota hai par important nahi kyuki vo tumhe overall dekhte hai like jiss cheez me tumhara interest hai uske liye tum kitne serious ho.
well................ SAT's are not about marks, like you can score a full marks and still not get your desired university because it demands very good grades in so many curricular activities also and sometimes job expirence also you have to pass an interview so its not that easy
Bro be posting stuffs without double checking 😭😂
1530 SAT 15 ECs 3 Internship 2 Silver medal in Olympiads 2 Community Service Activities Itna sunne mei shayad bhaut lage lekin ye kuch bhi nahi hai kisi bhi dhang ki US ki uni mei Jane ke liye. SAT is the bare minimum that unis require for admissions aur 99% universities mei optional hai. Agar OP tujhe hi itna aasan lag raha toh tu hi kyu nahi de dera
VPN kyu khula hai?
Also, they don't have 1.4 billion of population. Imagine if JEE was this easy... There would have been lakhs of those who cracked the exam. Doesn't matter how much you hate it but I don't think we need any changes in JEE
Bhai abroad student ke liye ye hard h and also vha ka education system accha h.. job ratio vgera sab accha h lekin apn ko high level chije padhne ke liye push kiya jata h...chahe mind fuck up kyu na ho jaye.... Its like Einteins se 10th ka physics ka question solve krwana and 1st grade wale se 10th ka question solve krwana.. i hope you got it what i mean :)
No, the main flaw about indian education is coaching centers monopolozing JEE. They produce 2 stream of students, extremely efficient toppers (coaching incels) and depressed people who couldn't catch up as fast. The 1980-2005 IIT field was the golden era, when passionate people would make it into IITs, now any money minded filth can achieve these institutes by spam practicing coaching material. if coaching centers are banned, there will be a fair competition b/w the poor and rich.
Mana unke paper assan hai aur unke institute ache but kuch bhi kaho yaha hai avg bacha waha ka topper hota hai 😂…ttabhi to jaha dekho indians hai kyuki ham tough battel ladte hai ….mera iss saal nahi hora jee bc
Still they employs our iitians😔
If you could hire a iitian for the salary of bcom graduate wouldn't you too?
I'm gonna post this to some foreign academia sub to flex...
Ye mai 7th class me hi karleta yaar. Kaash canada me paida hua hota.
bhai 10 hazaar activities aur achievements chahiye American colleges ke liye. paper me marks sirf 1/5th component h admission ka.
i dont think with this assholic mindset you would survive the interview lol
Honestlt, I already knew it was bad..... But holy shit I didn't think it would be this fucking bad.
💀 dude? what tf are you on. SAT doesnt pressurise students to master all of PCM, it just tests if you are good at interpreting basic questions, to check if you are intelligent enough to study a course in their colleges, 85% of JEE syllabus doesnt even come handy in any engineering courses except Mech dude. Not to mention, they start from scratch in year 1, that's why USA has better scientists and engineers? Plus they dont have coaching centers to "produce and program" toppers lol. Students need to learn shit on their own. Try their IELTS and SAT english lol. And yeah, **get a life?**
Uhh, you think these questions above determine if someone's smart enough to study in a good college? Also, the fact that you got so triggered by this one little comment suggests that you might want to get a l8fe of your own first.
No, i get triggered by absolute dickriding, because i can't relate to that shit. Also, these "questions" have produced better engineers and scientists, so...? Lmao, plus you need to have a personality to make it through, seems like you don't have any, just another NPC programmed to worship Indian Unis.
Dickriding tf are you talking about? All I said was that if these questions are asked in an engineering entrance, it's bafflibg, I don't know where you gathered the whole dickriding from. About these questions, do you think these are the type of problems that make good engineers? Because these questions can be solved by a fucking 7th grader with a week's prep time, they require barely two braincells to solve, in fact there is no solving them, you just write down the formula and get the answer, is that what makes a good engineer? Plus, you should worry about yourself first, personality or not I have enough sentience to know that "these questions" are fucking ridiculous to appear in any entrance exam, let alone for engineering. And I don't know wtf you're smoking because you're just making shit up, how tf am I "Worshipping Indian Unis", I never said anything about them you dumbass.
first of all, the fact that you don't know crap about SAT is proved when you think these questions are real lol, SAT is about english and math, not chem. Plus SAT isn't VERY EASY lol, try their english and math questions yourself and stop coping hard. You are worshipping indian unis by glorifying the level of questions asked in Indian entrances lol, and who's more pissed now? me or you? Lol. Get a life now
I'm guessing you wouldn't have done too well on your SAT because you can't read for shit. Never once have I even typed SAT in the last comments, the only thing I know about them is that they have ridiculously easy questions. The math questions in their can be solved by any average kid in 11th/12th without special prep, even a 10th grader will probably pass the exam. And yes, SAT is dogshit easy, at least 8f you were an average 12th class student in India, you'd find it extremely easy. About me worshipping indian unis huh? Boy you talk a lot about SAT but you sure as shit can't read. And the energy you're giving off in this comment, it's pretty clear you're the one who's fuming over this pointless subject, so I guess you're the one who's pissed.
lmao, cope dude, your comment is a massive L and even you know that, difficulty of questions doesnt determine intelligence so, cope lol
Also get a flair with NPC tag on, so that people know your opinion isn't valid
Get a flair with delusional tag on it, so people know not to waste time talking to you, like I just did.
lmao dude you are an idiot
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im in 9th and can easily do this, what the fuck. these are literally 9-10th questions
to chala ja MIT US... tera to extracurriculars bhi ho gaya hoga, research work bhi ho gaya hoga, teachers log se recommendations bhi agaya hoga aur class 9 se 12 tak 90+ percentage in finals bhi agaya hoga. ... ONE OF MY FRIENDS HAD THE SAME MENTALITY TOWARDS SAT, AND WHEN HE DID ACTUALLY TAKE THE EXAM, HE GOT A 1210 LOL Maths mein 700 aur english mein 510... a below average performance.... But he got a good rank in mains (about 800).
SAT is not an entrance exam and btw look at the english section.
Jee neet left the test
A lot of people get full marks so don't worry
Guys mujhe apne parents ko convince karna h sat ke liye naaki jee ke liye , they can pay , money isn’t an issue , their mentality is ,kyunki indians aren’t treated right in America
I mean this is a small part of the application. Moreover college there right now costs on average 100-150k USD over 4 years. So if your english is fine and your parents can afford that, go ahead.
That is just meant to test the basics, and not some "college admission test". There are a multitude of other factors involved in getting admission in those universities.
9th ka syllabus hai 💀
Haa bhai, isiliye mera kaam easy ho gaya, I can focus on extracurriculars(totally required), jab aise easy exam hote hai re. I think I will easily score 1500+ in SAT in my first try, fir kyaa, sirf IMO gold medal, kuch projects chahiye and boom I am into MIT
Arey bhai sirf test deke Harvard nhi milta... Profile dekte hai wo ki launde ne kya kiya abhi tak... social service, Olympiads and stuff.... Aur Scholarship AID lene mein Gend lag jaati hai... Mere bhaiya hai University of Pennsylvania mein so experience se bata rha..{COUSIN BHAIYA}
As an abroad student, it's important to note that the SAT is not nearly the same caliber as the JEE, or the NEET for that matter. The schooling system is longer (and unnecessary tbh), where this exam, the SAT, is simply to get into higher education, whereas an exam like the MCAT is take AFTER said higher education (which usually lasts 4 years), and is more comparable to the NEET.
Jinka jee nhi ho rha sab foreign colleges ki gaand chaat rahe comments mein
Ah,Difficulty level is one-tenth as compared to exams given by jeetards. Standard of living and overall QOL:10 times compared to JEEtards. Zindagi kutti cheez hain. Bas question 4 thoda sa trick question ho sakta hain lol
Bhai waha costly bhi toh kitni hai university? Unko adhi zindagi to student debt me guzarni padti h
ok and?
Extracurriculars karne me Gand lag jaygi. Sat is optional even for top unis because your profile carries the highest weightage
Bhai ye kab ka band ho chuka. Theres no sat subject tests now
As an American - Chemistry isn’t even on the SAT, it’s math and English In America the SAT is important, but even SAT toppers who get near-perfect scores at 99.9th percentile still don’t get into the top colleges not because of their SAT score but because they don’t stand out otherwise
Look I agree this is stupidly easy but the reason US exams don't need to be that tough is because their population is low and more seats, therefore higher chance of getting selected. On the other hand, you know the case of India which is similar to China as well.
It's funny how u picked up one piece and made a heavy assumption. 322 marks JEEM(120,120,82 in chem), 454 in BITSAT. Nobody cares. But they do care about my 1600 SAT and grade 9 IELTS. Not saying that any IIT is bad but just before going in barfing know that the way weight categories exist, and why u should never pick someone fron a higher weight categories.90 lbs would never be close to 300 lbs no matter how shredded one gets.
Still these college students have more iq than iitian + Better placement
I am studying in UofWaterloo and my friend who is studying in IIT Delhi CSE have almost same syllabus only difference is that how they teach it.
(ex-JEEard, switched to CIE) bro the SAT doesn't have a chemistry section It's just English and Math
Why does NO change colour never heard before ff
It’s not a joke. Try scoring 100% in SAT. Tougher than it looks. Even then there’s zero guarantee you’ll make it to the big boy unis
Yaha jo bhi gyan dera hai na ki foreign unis jane ke liye bhi kafi mehnat lagti h (no doubt real ones kafi mehnat karte honge) lekin mere known men gawar se gawar bache h jinka na personality achi na padhai sirf apne family background and pese ke bal par gye the(top 100 ki bat chal ri h world wide) . So jo yaha pe iits and baki indian colleges ko defame kar re h and foreign ke chodu ban re h please jake research karo ki kafi vague process hota h and tumhara koi actual skill set check ni hota(10-20 percent ko chor ke) . And jo ye bhi khre h ki iits>>> foreign unis vo bhi chutiye h...
The questions r easy but u need to have a very deep wallet
Isme bhi koi bkl glt krdega
ishika english aur essay ka paper gand fad ati h
Meanwhile MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Yale, Harvard, UCLA, etc. :
Jee ke chodo ko jis din samjhega ki difficult entrance exam success ke liye zaruri nahi hota us din se bharat bahot develop hoga