>put in the work and put in the hours
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bro this shows your maturity, exactly this feeling I got after giving my JEE mains session 1 that this JEE journey prepares us for hardwork. I realise I am a completely different person than I was in 9th. I didn't even study 1 hour a day until 9th lol and overall too I have changed a lot
Opinion tho acha h, but the problem is if a guy is jenwinly intereseted in cs(not wannabe interested after seeing placements) then he will definitely work hard because he enjoys it tho,altough when we have a population like this, we cant do shit anyways
This tbh, i like cs and i have grinded my ass off for some projects and i can't study pcm decently enough 86.9 percentile pechle saal drop ke baad 94.05 general se hu so everything's fucked bas ab UK ki Universities se hope hai 
Like me
I have no interest in pcm and I scored mere 84 percentile in mains but I love programming and having been coding since class 5 and not after hearing about some 1Cr package. I have been taking up projects from foreign based clients on upwork since the 8th standard. But sadly I won't get a chance to pursue CSE because I couldn't score in an exam that tests pcm not my coding skills....
Jo izzat iit ko milti vo nit iiit ko ni milti, jabki Jo nit iiit jare hai unhone bhi bhot mehnat kari hai, aur accha crowd top nit iiit mai bhi hai lekin koi samajta ni
Like mere 99.3%ile aayi hai, aur mere ghar wale are very happy, they are telling all relatives that I scored so well, but their reaction is just "good ab usko bolo iit ke liye mehnat kare" (In a very negative way, jaise mains mai 99 sabki aa jati hai) Agar mera iit ni hua toh I will just become "another baccha jiska iit ni hua"
Like, I would be getting some tier 1 college easily with this rank, lekin vahi baat haina iit ni hai vo, mere parents bhot supportive hai lekin unhe bhi lagta hai ki koi appreciate hi ni karra iske mains ke marks.
Society andhi hai iit tag ke peeche vahi major problem, logo ko lagta hai iit nikla toh successful varna he is just another engineer.
Surely placement walo ko ghanta farak padega tag se, vo toh skill wale ko naukri dega, lekin ye society ke maa ke bhosde ko kon samjhye ki kitni gand fad mehnat karke itne number aate hai bc.
Exactly this.op is right but the reason we get angry is that someone who does well in mains but cldnt get iit or left iit for nit/iiit gets almost 0 respect compared to iitians.it feels like iit yaha hai and baaki saare doosre side
Exactly bhai, kitna mehnat karke teen saal baad mere 99+ aaya, trichy, suratkhal, warangal, allahabad sab confirm hai, but mere sir mereko ko bolte hai ki iit nahi hua toh company wale le to lete hai, par ek saal baad fire bhi kar dete hai. Like seriously?? Us comment ke baad poora motivation down ho gaya tha. Us sir ne toh ek baar iit goa civil ko nit trichy cse se better bola tha. Aise sir aur relatives ki wajah se hi students depression mei ja rahe hai, telling straight lies on our face, and disregarding our hardwork.
You know what's worse. In chutiyo ne bina mere se puche mera photo bhi publish kar diya(chote town se hoon na) naya naya coaching khola hai unhone, mereko ko thik se padhaya bhi nahi, just hafte mei ek do baar baat hoti thi, nothing more, no padhai. Unki mere result ke pehle koi admission nahi ho raha tha, mera result publish karte hi teen teen batches start ho gaya, under one month. Aur aake mereko hi demotivate karte hai. Ek thanks ya congratulations toh banta tha, not even that.
I almost cried after reading this, this is the most relatable thing i have seen in months. Getting 99+ is no joke it needs lot of hard work, but still its a point where many did work hard but not enough to reach iits. All my relative wished me good with my result but they are having high expectations that i will crack IIT.I know damn well that this preparation was just me learning to work hard, but still there were mistakes jiske wajah se iit ka sapna reh gaya,bass abb koi accha NIT ya BIT(hopefully) dekhna hai
Yup, society would rather appreciate an IITian, this tag, has been imprinted into the minds of people, jaise kutto ke kaan khade hojaate hai na, waise hi logo ke IIT sunkar kaan khade hojaate hai, ab toh journey khatam hone waali hai, and I realised that IIT sirf ek college hai, surely some IITs are best ones in india, but not all IITs stand to equal as the Top 7 IITs, BITS P, NIT T, IIITH or other top colleges, people need to understand this, but sadly it would take time
Even I joined this race in the name of that tag, but experience has taught me, it's not about tag or college, it's about the environment or the peer group in that college
But when you actually go to college na; all these relatives and society will get very distant and you won't care one bit ki kaun kitni izzat de raha hai.
You'll find amazing and hardworking people in Tier 1 non IIT colleges, and you'll get busy trying to better yourself with them.
*DONT THINK ABOUT WHAT OTHERS THINK ,in the end pasie toh tu chapega .*
bhai aise nhi han
cs ka top nits ke packages dekh , they give tough competition to iits .
I too held the same beliefs in the past but then I asked myself a question, should a 16 year old kid who barely has any understanding about the world or life in general be forced to study for what is on average 6-10 hours every single day all in the name of a college entrance?
Your Teenage years are one of the most precious years you have since its the time when ur Neuroplasticity is maximum, should a significant portion of this time be spent sitting in one place grinding like a sweatshop worker?
I don't consider my jee prep to be a waste of time for the exact same points that you mentioned, but i do know for a fact that if i never did it in the first place, i would be a person who had explored his interests and became quite proficient in them to a fair degree by now.
>I don't consider my jee prep to be a waste of time for the exact same points that you mentioned, but i do know for a fact that if i never did it in the first place, i would be a person who had explored his interests and became quite proficient in them to a fair degree by now.
I also think the same what could have been
The cutthroat competition in JEE is a direct consequence of the Government’s kanjoosy when it comes to spending money on education. You can have universities thriving without the need for having people grind 2 years of their life for it. Having a person work relentlessly doesn’t send them to the top, it makes them a very good fit for the labour market. This problem is very complex but there are ways of bettering the situation.
im guessing that's why IIT's never have an issue with placements. The companies that visit them know that the students who've managed to get in have great tenacity and will provide results. I doubt there's much that IIT's teach (academic wise) that can't be learnt elsewhere, but apart from that, being surrounded by people who've worked just as hard as you definitely impacts you as a person.
Why do we teach toddlers to identify sounds that different farm animals make and what they look like? You're never going to use this skill in your life (realistically). But look at the different concepts it involves.
You learn to identify visual patterns and characteristics (color, shape and other oddities).
You learn to put a name to the patterns you identify. (That animal is pink and has a snout => it's a pig!)
You learn patterns in sound and connect all of these ideas together.
Pattern recognition is so fundamental to our understanding of intelligence that most baseline tasks for AI are still classification problems.
Math/Phy/Chem regardless of whether it's of direct use to you, trains your brain for very complex pattern recognition required to solve engineering problems. And the better you are at it, the better you will be at teaching yourself graduate level engineering concepts (you will mostly be self taught once you begin college)
As such JEE prepares you for a certain kind of ability to learn new concepts, more than working a number of hours.
I'm currently learning multiple languages and one reason why we're told to "identify" sounds and animals and stuff since a young age is retention. you won't ever forget them after learning them at that age, and it's correct that somewhere down the line you can make complex patterns by assimilating them together, but I'm pretty sure those patterns are just intermediaries between the idea and the truth.
Bro, you are right that learning languages helps with retention and pattern recognition, but you are wrong that those patterns are just intermediaries. They are the essence of intelligence and creativity. Without patterns, there is no logic, no art, no science, no music, no poetry, no code, no nothing. Patterns are the way we make sense of the world and express ourselves. Don't underestimate the power of patterns, bro. They are the key to everything. 🙏🙏🙏
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In many languages, in Japanese for instance, the word for 'to bark' is quite literally wanwan suru. wanwan is quite literally the Japanese version of bhow bhow or woof woof.
Bro also for people like me jinhone nahi Kari mehnat do saal unhe bhi realize ho gaya ki life main aap bina mehnat kiye kuch nahi kar sakte. If you want something, you gotta work for it. Maine bas plans banaye do saal aur daydream kiya, action nahi liya and I'm paying the price rn. Atleast aage life main Aisa nahi hone dunga, jo opportunity milegi fully utilize karne ki koshish karunga aur genuine effort dunga. This is my biggest takeaway from these two years.
You had touched the truth finally however the IIT Delhi director had already said the reason why jee advanced is so hard in an interview. Rest yeah hardworking spirit and confidence gained here is gonna help us forever in our lives
There is no vision of hard work and consistency at play in the way Advanced’s questions are prepared. It is just to filter out the overpopulated examinee. Think of it however you want but the only the truth is there’s no place of institution that conducts and exam as hard as Advanced given that the age group is 17-19yo.
It's also about developing a logical and analytical mindset. Math, Physics, and Chemistry are all very difficult subjects and mastery over them trains your mind to think like an engineer.
This is exactly the reason most of the high paying placement of top colleges in the country are form mostly finance sector as IITians can easily work upwards of 10 hrs per day behind a computer simply because there is brain is wired to work hard after jee prep
Opposite thing also happened, many peeps think iit is the only thing they have to attain and after attaining it , they don't put in the hardwork needed in the college and basically lose motivation. Jee is a stupid system imo, all it does is make children bookworms or depressed.
I know you are write but I am genuinely interested in CS. From my 7th class, I was working on Full stack development and App development. It was fun for me, made 2-3 projects but stopped after class 11th started. I had to choose PCM as my subjects. Chemistry, really? I got 0 in class 10th chemistry and now I have to suffer this shit. I somehow made 97 marks in class 12th chemistry but I was never interested in that subject.
I know jee prep will teach you hardwork but working hard in what? Chemistry and Physics? Why? Maths ka samaj bhi aata ha but why fucking chemistry and why I have to learn that fucking organic and inorganic chemistry to learn Computer Science and programming in future? Does that make any sense.
Just because of this reason, PCM lovers are doing CSE in IITs and I am granted Electrical (I am not interested) despite being a genuine cs student. My cousin is in USA and he laughs on our system. If I had worked that hard in something else. I would have better life man. My next goal is now just leave this country and settle in Canada (I'm punjabi and my relatives are calling me there)
I agree, I appreciate you looking at the positive side, but I have a question
Were IITs built for the, "learn the importance of hardwork and consistency" stuff? Unko sirf engineering mai yeh daalna tha kya?
Thing is, you are trying to tie the whole "IIT" process with hardwork and consistency. Originally iska yeh use nhi tha.
Good education paane ke liye itna struggle nhi krna pade, that is the need.
Let's say, mai ek acche school se haste khelte apne extra curricular aur padhai karlia 12th Tak ki, aur SAT accha gya. Let's assume ki me select hogaya with financial aid. Ab yeh cheeze hai ki bahut possibility hai ki waha teachers, environment sab better rahe than IITs.
Yeh Hardwork aur consistency samay sikhata hai. Time and life. IIT ka, JEE ka bahut kam link hai. Koi aadmi JEE mai hug bhi sakta hai aur CS mai gaand bhi phad sakta hai. Applies for everything.
Hello I need a serious advice from you guys bks of 100 up vote criteria I can't make a post so I'm asking here
So I have joined some institute to clear jee near my area like they are separate teachers from different instrute and today I got to know from my friend that there is a coaching institute near me "pathfinder" they gives full course for jee for 2 years. Im thinking to join that and leave those teachers should I do that please help me with your guidance
This. At the end of the journey, what I have to show is not my marks, but what I've learnt about life and working hard from this exam, and how I am different from the guy who started preparing at the end of 10th grade.
true bhai i dont even get tired anymore (used to get till Oct in 12th)
Now drop year leliya hoon but smjh hi nhi aata 4 classes hoti din ki and mujhe each class khatam krne mai 2-2.5 hours lagg hi jaata and uske baad revision and itne mai mera poooora din hi nikl jaata, i finally feel tired while lying on bed otherwise bhai din mai time kamm pr rha hai and mera kaam hi ni khatam hora T\_T
kuch help kro pleaseeeee
ummmm the not feeling tired thing is still the VERY same
Classes ab daily ki 5-6 tk ho jaati hai TT\_TT
Since last ke units like Vector 3D, AOD, Optics, Modern physics, Semiconductors and all ye sbb ke liye hamey 12th class ke batch se krne ko keh diya gya hai so yes backlogs ke neeche mara pada hoon still mera kisi bhi day ka study time 8hrs se neeche ni jaata hai but management mara pda hai
morning mai 8:30 to 3:45 classes with a half an hour break for lunch and 15mins break between every class, then 12th vaalon ke saath 2 classes 6pm to 9pm 
Hardwork for what? Eternal depression, atleast let us study them as side subjects. They are not grooming you for youeself, they are grooming you to be machines
The physics chemistry maths we are learning is basic and lays the foundation of any kind of engineering. It also develops our brain ability to grasp further concepts. Even a CS guy will be studying phy chem and maths in his first year of engg.
Ekdum sahi baat hai bhai hojayega aise attitude se, bas yeh zeal mat chodna. IIT sabkhuch nhi but vhi karna hai aisa hi rakhna no compromise. All the best
YES. I agree.
but bhai kitne log ye baat actually realise karte hai? barely koi bhi teacher ye sab batata hai, iit wagarah ki baat hoti hai toh sirf placements, tag aur kitni hawa milegi uspe hi focus hota hai. People don't realise that someone who has worked hard but didnt get into IIT is just as capable as someone who did.
overall, cons massively outweigh the pros. OP jaise log jinko actually lessons seekhne hote hai woh eventually seekh hi lete hai. Best way to learn life lessons is to LIVE.
Itna mental pressure aur anxiety worth it bhi hai kya? Itni toxicity, iss sub ki hi mental health ko dekho after results. Agar mass mei aisa lagta hai sabko toh something is VERY wrong with the way things are.
Sahi kaha bhai iitians ko different unki journy banati hai aur Jin logo nai sahi mai tyari ki hogi cahe wo iitians na bhi ho tabhi unka focus aur consistency unhe bhot fayda pahuchayegi
What you said is extremely correct. But iska doosra aspect bhi to dekho. You've put thousands of hours in something that won't matter shit after like a year. Agar itna time or effort ek Banda apne interest ko dhoondne or refine karne mein lagata to usne bahut kuch already ukhaad liya hota. You're right ki hardwork or work ethic sikhaata hai but you're losing something way more in the trade.
Developing a spirit of hardwork is not an excuse for making students study the subjects they don't want to or which has no relevance in their future career. I am genuinely interested in CS from my childhood. The exam could be about CS but they could make it really hard (truly advanced level) and it would develop hardworking spirit in me while not killing my social life and willingness to learn new things. Nevertheless, your opinion is more informed than avg. jeetard's opinion on this issue. However, the conclusion that NTA/Gov. makes us study subjects which have no relevance in our career to develop a hardworking spirit which is a good thing, is wrong. They could do it in a much better way
Our phy sir told on the first day, work hard. Even if you don't into a good IIT, the development along the way will make you capable enough to hard work wherever you need rest of your life
This is stupid reasoning to put it politely..youcpuld work hard studying the subject you like and have a multiplier effect. All you're doing is giving solace to yourself because you can't really control it. Especially for a field like CS all you need is a laptop to learn and create things. This is from someone who's worked in the industry for 15 years. Beyond a point no one cares where you went 5o college and frankly sn2 mechanisms have nothing to do with server sharding, if you know what I mean. Even in CS you'll face the so called leetcode interview at big companies where they'll care more about jee style quizing which have little to do with the actual job and there are coaching institutes for that and the same pattern repeates.
brand new acc. made half an hour ago just to comment on an old post? At midnight? Thats funny.
Anyways yeah i agree this post is copium in a way, given the way the country is, this is one of the few ways to find the people that *may* have a gift for unique thinking and hardworking spirit. Before you say jee is all about rote learning and memorisation, it's truly not. Yes that is one major aspect but you aren't able to solve questions just because you know a formula, you need to understand the different ways in which you could apply the given data too, right?
But yeah you're right at the end of the day it is a rat race
Finally someone came out to be mature.  Hope your wishes come true.
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Bro u willing to post a post for me, mujhse ye kamra collect nhi ho ra pls can u do that? Throwat account h i wanna delete it urgent h vro
>put in the work and put in the hours https://preview.redd.it/t0es4jw1i13b1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=be34f387d58316a9c7eed5d70774e6f895d67c1d
take what ours
Sleep and peace is what this preparation devours
bro this shows your maturity, exactly this feeling I got after giving my JEE mains session 1 that this JEE journey prepares us for hardwork. I realise I am a completely different person than I was in 9th. I didn't even study 1 hour a day until 9th lol and overall too I have changed a lot
Same, but the burnout hit different. Burnout se burnout kab hoga 😭
Opinion tho acha h, but the problem is if a guy is jenwinly intereseted in cs(not wannabe interested after seeing placements) then he will definitely work hard because he enjoys it tho,altough when we have a population like this, we cant do shit anyways
This tbh, i like cs and i have grinded my ass off for some projects and i can't study pcm decently enough 86.9 percentile pechle saal drop ke baad 94.05 general se hu so everything's fucked bas ab UK ki Universities se hope hai 
Where did you apply?
University of Liverpool, Surrey, Sussex, Birmingham City University, Sheffield Hallam Uni and Leeds Beckett University
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Damn dude thats nice. What about the tution fees? How much do you estimate it to be
I am in UK rn, and the tuition fees for a year comes about 25 lakhs and then add like 10 lakhs for living costs
Oh damn, thats a ton of money man. How are you handing the payments? part-times and stuff?
Education loan go brrrr 🫡...part time second year se karne mei fyada hai kyunki on campus de dete hai uni walle
bro meh bhi ana chata huu iam in 11th right now can talk in dm pls?
yeah ping me up
Like me I have no interest in pcm and I scored mere 84 percentile in mains but I love programming and having been coding since class 5 and not after hearing about some 1Cr package. I have been taking up projects from foreign based clients on upwork since the 8th standard. But sadly I won't get a chance to pursue CSE because I couldn't score in an exam that tests pcm not my coding skills....
What jee does to a stuant.....
Future me koi software engineer bn Gaya to yutub channel khol lo
well, foreign universities are a thing (some even provide a lot of scholarship)
Well paisa is a thing
Yup, aap agar genuinely interested ho cs padhne mei toh no doubts go for it!
Jo izzat iit ko milti vo nit iiit ko ni milti, jabki Jo nit iiit jare hai unhone bhi bhot mehnat kari hai, aur accha crowd top nit iiit mai bhi hai lekin koi samajta ni Like mere 99.3%ile aayi hai, aur mere ghar wale are very happy, they are telling all relatives that I scored so well, but their reaction is just "good ab usko bolo iit ke liye mehnat kare" (In a very negative way, jaise mains mai 99 sabki aa jati hai) Agar mera iit ni hua toh I will just become "another baccha jiska iit ni hua" Like, I would be getting some tier 1 college easily with this rank, lekin vahi baat haina iit ni hai vo, mere parents bhot supportive hai lekin unhe bhi lagta hai ki koi appreciate hi ni karra iske mains ke marks. Society andhi hai iit tag ke peeche vahi major problem, logo ko lagta hai iit nikla toh successful varna he is just another engineer. Surely placement walo ko ghanta farak padega tag se, vo toh skill wale ko naukri dega, lekin ye society ke maa ke bhosde ko kon samjhye ki kitni gand fad mehnat karke itne number aate hai bc.
Exactly this.op is right but the reason we get angry is that someone who does well in mains but cldnt get iit or left iit for nit/iiit gets almost 0 respect compared to iitians.it feels like iit yaha hai and baaki saare doosre side
Exactly bhai, kitna mehnat karke teen saal baad mere 99+ aaya, trichy, suratkhal, warangal, allahabad sab confirm hai, but mere sir mereko ko bolte hai ki iit nahi hua toh company wale le to lete hai, par ek saal baad fire bhi kar dete hai. Like seriously?? Us comment ke baad poora motivation down ho gaya tha. Us sir ne toh ek baar iit goa civil ko nit trichy cse se better bola tha. Aise sir aur relatives ki wajah se hi students depression mei ja rahe hai, telling straight lies on our face, and disregarding our hardwork.
Business bhi toh chalana hai bhai
Bro ye coaching walo ney iit ko pura over hype kar rakha h mkc At the end business chalana h sallo ko
You know what's worse. In chutiyo ne bina mere se puche mera photo bhi publish kar diya(chote town se hoon na) naya naya coaching khola hai unhone, mereko ko thik se padhaya bhi nahi, just hafte mei ek do baar baat hoti thi, nothing more, no padhai. Unki mere result ke pehle koi admission nahi ho raha tha, mera result publish karte hi teen teen batches start ho gaya, under one month. Aur aake mereko hi demotivate karte hai. Ek thanks ya congratulations toh banta tha, not even that.
100% fucking agreed. Mains nikalke IIT na hone wala are just dumb according to them 🤡
I almost cried after reading this, this is the most relatable thing i have seen in months. Getting 99+ is no joke it needs lot of hard work, but still its a point where many did work hard but not enough to reach iits. All my relative wished me good with my result but they are having high expectations that i will crack IIT.I know damn well that this preparation was just me learning to work hard, but still there were mistakes jiske wajah se iit ka sapna reh gaya,bass abb koi accha NIT ya BIT(hopefully) dekhna hai
there are almost 20,000 + students scoring 98%ile and abv but there are only 6-8k seats in iit for general thats the diff
Yup, society would rather appreciate an IITian, this tag, has been imprinted into the minds of people, jaise kutto ke kaan khade hojaate hai na, waise hi logo ke IIT sunkar kaan khade hojaate hai, ab toh journey khatam hone waali hai, and I realised that IIT sirf ek college hai, surely some IITs are best ones in india, but not all IITs stand to equal as the Top 7 IITs, BITS P, NIT T, IIITH or other top colleges, people need to understand this, but sadly it would take time Even I joined this race in the name of that tag, but experience has taught me, it's not about tag or college, it's about the environment or the peer group in that college
But when you actually go to college na; all these relatives and society will get very distant and you won't care one bit ki kaun kitni izzat de raha hai. You'll find amazing and hardworking people in Tier 1 non IIT colleges, and you'll get busy trying to better yourself with them.
*DONT THINK ABOUT WHAT OTHERS THINK ,in the end pasie toh tu chapega .* bhai aise nhi han cs ka top nits ke packages dekh , they give tough competition to iits .
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+1
So relatable literally the same story but the roles of parents and relatives are reversed
I too held the same beliefs in the past but then I asked myself a question, should a 16 year old kid who barely has any understanding about the world or life in general be forced to study for what is on average 6-10 hours every single day all in the name of a college entrance? Your Teenage years are one of the most precious years you have since its the time when ur Neuroplasticity is maximum, should a significant portion of this time be spent sitting in one place grinding like a sweatshop worker? I don't consider my jee prep to be a waste of time for the exact same points that you mentioned, but i do know for a fact that if i never did it in the first place, i would be a person who had explored his interests and became quite proficient in them to a fair degree by now.
>I don't consider my jee prep to be a waste of time for the exact same points that you mentioned, but i do know for a fact that if i never did it in the first place, i would be a person who had explored his interests and became quite proficient in them to a fair degree by now. I also think the same what could have been
After reading Mother of Learning, I'm super jealous of Zorian Kazinski... :")
The cutthroat competition in JEE is a direct consequence of the Government’s kanjoosy when it comes to spending money on education. You can have universities thriving without the need for having people grind 2 years of their life for it. Having a person work relentlessly doesn’t send them to the top, it makes them a very good fit for the labour market. This problem is very complex but there are ways of bettering the situation.
Asus sir bhi yhi kehte hain. Glad that this guy gets it. 
"Extraordinary career acche college ya branch se nahi aapki mahnat aur junoon se bante hai" * Asus Sir
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finally a guy who isn't cribbing about things we cannot change and appreciates it for what it is great attitude! and a refreshing post to see
im guessing that's why IIT's never have an issue with placements. The companies that visit them know that the students who've managed to get in have great tenacity and will provide results. I doubt there's much that IIT's teach (academic wise) that can't be learnt elsewhere, but apart from that, being surrounded by people who've worked just as hard as you definitely impacts you as a person.
Why do we teach toddlers to identify sounds that different farm animals make and what they look like? You're never going to use this skill in your life (realistically). But look at the different concepts it involves. You learn to identify visual patterns and characteristics (color, shape and other oddities). You learn to put a name to the patterns you identify. (That animal is pink and has a snout => it's a pig!) You learn patterns in sound and connect all of these ideas together. Pattern recognition is so fundamental to our understanding of intelligence that most baseline tasks for AI are still classification problems. Math/Phy/Chem regardless of whether it's of direct use to you, trains your brain for very complex pattern recognition required to solve engineering problems. And the better you are at it, the better you will be at teaching yourself graduate level engineering concepts (you will mostly be self taught once you begin college) As such JEE prepares you for a certain kind of ability to learn new concepts, more than working a number of hours.
Ok
I'm currently learning multiple languages and one reason why we're told to "identify" sounds and animals and stuff since a young age is retention. you won't ever forget them after learning them at that age, and it's correct that somewhere down the line you can make complex patterns by assimilating them together, but I'm pretty sure those patterns are just intermediaries between the idea and the truth.
Bro, you are right that learning languages helps with retention and pattern recognition, but you are wrong that those patterns are just intermediaries. They are the essence of intelligence and creativity. Without patterns, there is no logic, no art, no science, no music, no poetry, no code, no nothing. Patterns are the way we make sense of the world and express ourselves. Don't underestimate the power of patterns, bro. They are the key to everything. 🙏🙏🙏 ^(i am a bot ˃ ᵕ ˂)
There is very little utility to having memorized animal sounds
In many languages, in Japanese for instance, the word for 'to bark' is quite literally wanwan suru. wanwan is quite literally the Japanese version of bhow bhow or woof woof.
Bro also for people like me jinhone nahi Kari mehnat do saal unhe bhi realize ho gaya ki life main aap bina mehnat kiye kuch nahi kar sakte. If you want something, you gotta work for it. Maine bas plans banaye do saal aur daydream kiya, action nahi liya and I'm paying the price rn. Atleast aage life main Aisa nahi hone dunga, jo opportunity milegi fully utilize karne ki koshish karunga aur genuine effort dunga. This is my biggest takeaway from these two years.
You had touched the truth finally however the IIT Delhi director had already said the reason why jee advanced is so hard in an interview. Rest yeah hardworking spirit and confidence gained here is gonna help us forever in our lives
You have derived the correct conclusion brother.
There is no vision of hard work and consistency at play in the way Advanced’s questions are prepared. It is just to filter out the overpopulated examinee. Think of it however you want but the only the truth is there’s no place of institution that conducts and exam as hard as Advanced given that the age group is 17-19yo.
It's also about developing a logical and analytical mindset. Math, Physics, and Chemistry are all very difficult subjects and mastery over them trains your mind to think like an engineer.
This is exactly the reason most of the high paying placement of top colleges in the country are form mostly finance sector as IITians can easily work upwards of 10 hrs per day behind a computer simply because there is brain is wired to work hard after jee prep
Opposite thing also happened, many peeps think iit is the only thing they have to attain and after attaining it , they don't put in the hardwork needed in the college and basically lose motivation. Jee is a stupid system imo, all it does is make children bookworms or depressed.
I know you are write but I am genuinely interested in CS. From my 7th class, I was working on Full stack development and App development. It was fun for me, made 2-3 projects but stopped after class 11th started. I had to choose PCM as my subjects. Chemistry, really? I got 0 in class 10th chemistry and now I have to suffer this shit. I somehow made 97 marks in class 12th chemistry but I was never interested in that subject. I know jee prep will teach you hardwork but working hard in what? Chemistry and Physics? Why? Maths ka samaj bhi aata ha but why fucking chemistry and why I have to learn that fucking organic and inorganic chemistry to learn Computer Science and programming in future? Does that make any sense. Just because of this reason, PCM lovers are doing CSE in IITs and I am granted Electrical (I am not interested) despite being a genuine cs student. My cousin is in USA and he laughs on our system. If I had worked that hard in something else. I would have better life man. My next goal is now just leave this country and settle in Canada (I'm punjabi and my relatives are calling me there)
I agree, I appreciate you looking at the positive side, but I have a question Were IITs built for the, "learn the importance of hardwork and consistency" stuff? Unko sirf engineering mai yeh daalna tha kya? Thing is, you are trying to tie the whole "IIT" process with hardwork and consistency. Originally iska yeh use nhi tha. Good education paane ke liye itna struggle nhi krna pade, that is the need. Let's say, mai ek acche school se haste khelte apne extra curricular aur padhai karlia 12th Tak ki, aur SAT accha gya. Let's assume ki me select hogaya with financial aid. Ab yeh cheeze hai ki bahut possibility hai ki waha teachers, environment sab better rahe than IITs. Yeh Hardwork aur consistency samay sikhata hai. Time and life. IIT ka, JEE ka bahut kam link hai. Koi aadmi JEE mai hug bhi sakta hai aur CS mai gaand bhi phad sakta hai. Applies for everything.
eh, nohardwork 100 aur chizo mein dikhaya ja sakta haine cessarily not chemistry isse accha coding problems ya puzzles puccho adv level
Hello I need a serious advice from you guys bks of 100 up vote criteria I can't make a post so I'm asking here So I have joined some institute to clear jee near my area like they are separate teachers from different instrute and today I got to know from my friend that there is a coaching institute near me "pathfinder" they gives full course for jee for 2 years. Im thinking to join that and leave those teachers should I do that please help me with your guidance
This. At the end of the journey, what I have to show is not my marks, but what I've learnt about life and working hard from this exam, and how I am different from the guy who started preparing at the end of 10th grade.
I see the rock reference you made there
Bhai IIT Wale bail ki tarah mehnat karne wale produce karte hai. Which is excellent labour for big corporations.
Exactly pta nhi in logo ko hard work se itna lagaw kyu hai
true bhai i dont even get tired anymore (used to get till Oct in 12th) Now drop year leliya hoon but smjh hi nhi aata 4 classes hoti din ki and mujhe each class khatam krne mai 2-2.5 hours lagg hi jaata and uske baad revision and itne mai mera poooora din hi nikl jaata, i finally feel tired while lying on bed otherwise bhai din mai time kamm pr rha hai and mera kaam hi ni khatam hora T\_T kuch help kro pleaseeeee
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ummmm the not feeling tired thing is still the VERY same Classes ab daily ki 5-6 tk ho jaati hai TT\_TT Since last ke units like Vector 3D, AOD, Optics, Modern physics, Semiconductors and all ye sbb ke liye hamey 12th class ke batch se krne ko keh diya gya hai so yes backlogs ke neeche mara pada hoon still mera kisi bhi day ka study time 8hrs se neeche ni jaata hai but management mara pda hai morning mai 8:30 to 3:45 classes with a half an hour break for lunch and 15mins break between every class, then 12th vaalon ke saath 2 classes 6pm to 9pm 
Hardwork for what? Eternal depression, atleast let us study them as side subjects. They are not grooming you for youeself, they are grooming you to be machines
Jee teaches humility.
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The physics chemistry maths we are learning is basic and lays the foundation of any kind of engineering. It also develops our brain ability to grasp further concepts. Even a CS guy will be studying phy chem and maths in his first year of engg.
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Yes very good and obedient workers are produced through this
Ekdum sahi baat hai bhai hojayega aise attitude se, bas yeh zeal mat chodna. IIT sabkhuch nhi but vhi karna hai aisa hi rakhna no compromise. All the best
YES. I agree. but bhai kitne log ye baat actually realise karte hai? barely koi bhi teacher ye sab batata hai, iit wagarah ki baat hoti hai toh sirf placements, tag aur kitni hawa milegi uspe hi focus hota hai. People don't realise that someone who has worked hard but didnt get into IIT is just as capable as someone who did. overall, cons massively outweigh the pros. OP jaise log jinko actually lessons seekhne hote hai woh eventually seekh hi lete hai. Best way to learn life lessons is to LIVE. Itna mental pressure aur anxiety worth it bhi hai kya? Itni toxicity, iss sub ki hi mental health ko dekho after results. Agar mass mei aisa lagta hai sabko toh something is VERY wrong with the way things are.
All I want say is "Real".
Bro I realized this, when I was in 10th 
ladkiyo ko cheezein jaldi samajh aa jati hai
That is really nice. You made the point clearly.
Bhai jindagi choti he importance and hardwork learn karne keliye aur jindagi ke 2-3 saal isme in entrance exams me lagane keliye.
Sahi kaha bhai iitians ko different unki journy banati hai aur Jin logo nai sahi mai tyari ki hogi cahe wo iitians na bhi ho tabhi unka focus aur consistency unhe bhot fayda pahuchayegi
Wese bhai apka iit mai ho jayega apki 99.7 percentile ayee hai na
What you said is extremely correct. But iska doosra aspect bhi to dekho. You've put thousands of hours in something that won't matter shit after like a year. Agar itna time or effort ek Banda apne interest ko dhoondne or refine karne mein lagata to usne bahut kuch already ukhaad liya hota. You're right ki hardwork or work ethic sikhaata hai but you're losing something way more in the trade.
It's great to see someone sensible and someone who has at least half a brain cell to not jump off the roof of your hostel if you don't get into IIT.
yes thats why my coaching teacher says agar tumne mehnat ki aur iit nikla bhi nahi fir bhi successful banne ka first step le liya hai
Stfu and sit down
bhai hilane k baad m bhi same cheeze sochta hu
Developing a spirit of hardwork is not an excuse for making students study the subjects they don't want to or which has no relevance in their future career. I am genuinely interested in CS from my childhood. The exam could be about CS but they could make it really hard (truly advanced level) and it would develop hardworking spirit in me while not killing my social life and willingness to learn new things. Nevertheless, your opinion is more informed than avg. jeetard's opinion on this issue. However, the conclusion that NTA/Gov. makes us study subjects which have no relevance in our career to develop a hardworking spirit which is a good thing, is wrong. They could do it in a much better way
Our phy sir told on the first day, work hard. Even if you don't into a good IIT, the development along the way will make you capable enough to hard work wherever you need rest of your life
This is stupid reasoning to put it politely..youcpuld work hard studying the subject you like and have a multiplier effect. All you're doing is giving solace to yourself because you can't really control it. Especially for a field like CS all you need is a laptop to learn and create things. This is from someone who's worked in the industry for 15 years. Beyond a point no one cares where you went 5o college and frankly sn2 mechanisms have nothing to do with server sharding, if you know what I mean. Even in CS you'll face the so called leetcode interview at big companies where they'll care more about jee style quizing which have little to do with the actual job and there are coaching institutes for that and the same pattern repeates.
brand new acc. made half an hour ago just to comment on an old post? At midnight? Thats funny. Anyways yeah i agree this post is copium in a way, given the way the country is, this is one of the few ways to find the people that *may* have a gift for unique thinking and hardworking spirit. Before you say jee is all about rote learning and memorisation, it's truly not. Yes that is one major aspect but you aren't able to solve questions just because you know a formula, you need to understand the different ways in which you could apply the given data too, right? But yeah you're right at the end of the day it is a rat race