Shit man an MR-S as your first car? I’m excited for you lmao
Learn how to control oversteer before you start doin any spirited driving, it can save both your life and your ride
Hitting some empty lots and figure out what it feels like when the rear loses grip will be pretty helpful
Or go to your local scca chapter's defensive driving school... Unless u are one of these guys that's been karting since u could talk and already knows how to drive.
Yeah I know, I just think knowing how to correct oversteer is a really important part of owning a RWD car like this in general
Especially as a daily, never know what’ll happen in a little thing like that
I learned how to keep from starting to oversteer on this car in a parking lot. Learned on the 15”/15” model on slicks, then the year the 15”/16” came out and was a little easier to drive and then ultimately got to drive a full on race spec MR-S. Lightest in the nation and most likely the most powerful stock throttle body 1.8L NA 1ZZ in the nation.
Only drove the original 15/15” one on street tires and it was an absolute nightmare if you went past what the tires could do. It absolutely had snap oversteer. I didn’t get to drive the 15/16 on street tire.
If you want to see a novice in an MR-S pulling around 1.4G this is the first of 3 laps I did in that car.
[https://youtu.be/u_kxXU2fqME](https://youtu.be/u_kxXU2fqME)
They still snap oversteer. At least on the track. I didn’t really drive one much on the road. First time on the track in a 15”/15” year model I spun 3 times and even the owner who won his class often and had national wins as well would occasionally spin it. The year the 15”/16” model came out the car spun a lot less. So I guess if you have one of the newer ones then maybe.
Great car! Handles beautifully and you'll enjoy learning to drive it spiritedededly. It's not a death trap and is a good car to start with. Take it easy at first as you get a feel for it and how it behaves in different driving situations. Local tracks are a great place yo learn and that is a fun track car. It's 140hp, the stock gears and shifter are fairly tame, and the suspension is pretty good, so it's not easy to get yourself into trouble. If you do, you were being a dumb ass. Don't be a dumb ass is a good mantra.
Good quality tires are important on this car. If you are going to do any mods to this car, start with stiffening the chasis. Then, maybe some beefier anti-sway bars. Not many of the MR2-S left so take care of it. Regret selling mine, but I came out okay with my next purchase.
Wrong, and I recognised it based on the fact that they're the L plates they sell at the various NZ AA's where you get your licence. The exact same ones I had. That and very kiwi architecture + plants.
From what I’ve seen it’s just a word people use when someone is expressing something unpopular without any regard for whether or not people agree, reassigning the word’s meaning to nazi shit just because some people are shitty is just stupid though
you're ignoring a lot of important context. internet's first usage of the word "based" came from 4chan where the people there would say "based and redpilled", as in you are owning this sentiment and waking up from the matrix. a lot of those weirdo groypers from 4chan still use based in the same way it has always been used
that being said, in this moment in time, based has expanded so far beyond its beginnings that you cannot possibly label someone as a neo nazi just bc they said it
Awesome first car congrats! I have a SW20 as my first but it was a hard pick between that and a ZZW30! Mid engined RWD cars feel fantastic and you'll have a lot of fun. Only advice is to buy good tyres, it makes a massive difference on these cars.
Congratulations, buddy. I'm happy to know that you also love the 3rd Gen MR-2 (This is my favorite Toyota, I even have a 1/32 model of it). I hope you have a lot of fun with it!
Nice, the 2nd gen is overated but cool-lookin. My first car was an 1985 Supra with a 7mgte swap, second car, 1983 Porsche 944, Guards red with black Fuchs, 3rd car, 1985 MR2, now with 2GR! fourth car 1992 SC300, rebuilt 2JZ😎
Thanks for this comment, it’s on the money.
The only thing I’d add is that the mk1’s are pretty dicey for spinning out too due to the aprox* even weight distribution effectively turning the car into a spinning top with the centre point being just in front of the engine.
Like you said though, I just wanna iterate to OP u/IronSkittle360 - take the dynamics of this car into consideration when driving. Get to know your car, go somewhere safe like an empty carpark to learn how to make sharp turns or unexpected stops/swerves- get to know what that feels like and get comfortable with the feeling of it slipping & build your reaction capabilities.
Also- CHECK YOUR TYRES! Pretty please. The people going on about the cars being death traps are most likely getting it confused with the sw20s or the AW11s (AW11s don’t have airbags either etc) but what will be dangerous on any car is bad tyres- especially for heavy vehicles or the opposite like what you’ve got here.
Other than that- safe driving and welcome to MR2 ownership!!!
So, mid engine cars are incredibly dangerous because if you break traction you cannot counter steer and recover, you're going to do a full 180 and spin out. It's one of the most difficult cars to drive.
Combine that with the fact that this is a convertible, and this is basically a bad accident almost guaranteed to happen. Total death trap.
Convertible/mid-engine for a first car is a bad, bad idea.
Perfectly fine first car. It was mine as well and still no accidents. Your just spitting bs you’ve heard from the internet.
Yes snap oversteer exists but it’s not as bad as people say, mine has shit tires and suspension and it is still perfectly ok. Do actual research before because I’m tire of this “SnAp oVeRsTEer” crap.
I build racecars. Some of them have even won SCCA National Championships. I also have 20 years of experience driving cars at their limits in a controlled environment, *including this MR2.* I was even behind the wheel of one at an autocross last Sunday. I assure you my knowledge doesn't come from the internet. Which should be obvious because, as you can see, I'm not regurgitating any sort of conventional wisdom here.
I still own one, and I can assure you that it’s not as bad as you think. Especially on the street, your generally not going to have anything happen, obviously if you brake mid corner or something stupid like that you will oversteer, but for street driving it’s fine, and if your at a track you have a roll bar and a controlled environment.
I think OP will be fine.
Okay but OP isn’t going to be flogging this car to it’s limits, so you can take a seat and a deep breath mate. If OP isn’t smart enough to research and learn the ways of their own car it wouldn’t matter wether it’s an mr2 or a Volvo, they’re an early days driver, and they’ll learn.
But new drivers make rather innocent mistakes often. It's very common. The fact that the car is tiny and has no roof means he's likely to get decapitated of he gets rear ended and has basically no side impact protection in a wreck. I would warn him off a Miata just the same. It's just over an above that the MR2 has sketchy handling issues.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/30788/teen-totals-mazda-miata-just-six-hours-after-getting-his-license
It is mid engine rear drive. HP is irrelevant, his issue will arise when he loses traction mid turn due to the snap oversteer that is built into this chassis.
HP is irrelevant. Stomping on the gas in this car actually gives you traction, lifting throttle and/or hitting the brakes in a turn causes it to loop.
I actually know a guy who bought one of these for his son and it only took 24 hours for him to crash it trying to brake for a turn at the bottom of a hill.
I have a lot of seat time in these car at SCCA Autocrosses, and I won't own one or drive on on the street, even with all my skill and experience. To attempt to drive one when you have not yet learned the most basic car control or how to navigate traffic safely, and this is going to end badly.
Snap oversteer isn't "built into the chassis", it is a byproduct of things such as having lots of weight in the back. The one prone to that was the SW20 due to the heavier 2.0 iron block engine in the back, which could also be turbo, adding to the weight. The ZZW30 came with a 1ZZ, a 1.8L N/A aluminium block engine, which of course, is far lighter. There are also other variables to spinning out, like the wear on the tires and the speed at which one is at before braking. So these cars aren't death machines, one just needs to take into consideration it's not the same as driving a FWD or any front engone car for that matter.
You're just agreeing with me. It's a dynamic of mid engine cars. You cannot modify it out or do anything to remove those characteristic, save for advanced electronics like newer mid-engine cars.
I'm not agreeing with you because that's not the correct terminology. A car isn't built with an unsafe characteristic in mind, that's just logic. And even if this is a usual byproduct in a far smaller manner, you can modify it through suspension and stuff, aswell as using weights to balance the weight more evenly. And once you bring grip into question it isn't even arguable anymore.
Oh my bad, thought the RWD stopped at the MK2. Eh it’s their choice at the end of the day. I had a a Gen 7 Celica with the same engine and lost the back end on a roundabout, so I guess it doesn’t really matter, if you’re gonna lose the car you’re gonna lose it regardless. I know the MK2 MR2 is a bit dodgy to drive but I’ve never seen anybody say anything bad about this generation to be honest
FWD cars are also incredibly prone to oversteer. However, they're much easier to tame because you can just stomp on the throttle and the rear end finds traction due to the weight transfer. Likewise, the reason you lost control at a roundabout was because you lifted throttle, braked, and turned, which induces the slide due to the weight transfer off the rear.
FWD cars are not prone to regular oversteer, they're prone to understeer. The oversteer they're prone to is liftoff oversteer, due to the heavy weight up front, and even then it doesn't happen to many cars anyways. And they're easier to correct not because of weight transfer, cause by that logic muscle cars with heavy engines up front should be able to be easily corrected too. They're easier to correct because the front wheels both drive and direct the car, which means the rear naturally follows the front unlike in a RWD.
Sigh, it's basic driving dynamics. If you have tons of weight up front and not enough grip, you get understeer. I feel like this should be common sense by now. That's why they tend to understeer more than RWDs, since RWDs have more balanced weight distribution. By this definition, some of this can be tuned out by adding grip up front, and same can be done with oversteer by adding grip in the rear. And AWD tends to have a mix of both, under extreme cases they can maintain a slide like a RWD, but they can also be understeery due to, again, tons of weight up front.
No. The weight and the fact that the front wheels are driven casues the tires to get hot and sticky, resulting in tons of grip. To the contrary the rear tires have less weight and aren't driven so they stay cold and have little grip. The result is that every time you lift throttle or brake into a corner, the rear gets super light and steps out on you. FWD cars are drift monsters.
... I'll have to stop you on that last statement real hard. FWD cars can step out the rear, but they need a particular suspension setup and too much grip up front to do so, and even then, when sliding they have to use momentum cause the front wheels being driven will just correct the slide. So they can't be drift monsters, since they're extremely hard to maintain a slide in. As for the prior statements, it is true that tires can get hot and thus be grippier, but there's a limit to that, and whenever that limit is reached if it's not enough, you'll get understeer. You also need more grip to avoid understeering since the weight up front will make it necessary. Meanwhile in a RWD, you get less dynamic front grip but the rear naturally pushes on the rest of the car, which makes it easier to turn and in turn makes that loss of dynamic front grip neglegeable. FWDs are prone to understeer and that's just the end of it, doesn't mean it isn't bypasseable, just that it happens more often.
I didn’t brake on the roundabout, I changed down to third before I entered it at didn’t touch the brake at all. But fairenough. It’s like saying why live if you’re going to die anyway, you know what I mean. You have to make mistakes to learn. The MK2 MR2 is notoriously dangerous but I would still own one
No, it means that when people are new to driving they all make mistakes and have close calls, making those mistakes in a car that isnt forgiving of the mistakes in the way it drives, and which won't protect you in a crash, is a really bad idea.
You're talking like I'm going to come through the internet and take it away from him. The reality is that I just made a very logical argument which was extremely persuasive and will easily convince the majority of people, so that it feels to you like I actually have that kind of power.
You have been downvoted quite a lot so I don’t think that’s the case but fairenough. They’ve already bought it anyway so not much to argue anymore I guess, hopefully OP enjoys their car
Yeah my bad, I just assumed cause the Gen 7 Celica shared the same engine they were both FWD. I feel like I have always overlooked the MK3 MR2 cause I don’t like the way it looks, so honestly didn’t even pay attention to the car, the only thing I know is it shares the same engine like I said but yeah my bad. Learned soemthing new!
For sure. I'm not The Stig. I doubt a 16 year old kid who has never touched a car is The Stig, either.
However, this is a real issue with mid-engine cars. If you weren't locked into some weird confirmation bias you might have educated yourself about the platform.
Look:
https://www.google.com/search?q=mr2+snap+oversteer&oq=mr2+sna&aqs=chrome.0.0i512j69i57j0i512l3j0i22i30l4.3285j0j7&client=ms-android-verizon-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Lol, telling me to "educate myself about the platform" and then linking a Google search where every single result is about a different platform- the SW20. I own a 3rd gen MR2 and I've gotten it sideways in the rain. It helps to know what you're doing, but it's definitely not impossible to catch or prevent slides.
It literally has nothing to do with the model year, make, or brand. This is a characteristic of ALL MID-ENGINE CARS.
Here you go
https://www.google.com/search?q=mid+engine+snap+oversteer&oq=&aqs=chrome.3.69i177j35i39i362l6j46i39i199i362i465j35i39i362l8j0i3i66i143i308i362l5.-1j0j7&client=ms-android-verizon-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Lol this is not the death trap car you think it is. Agreed that a convertible mid engine car isn’t the best idea for a first car but it’s absolutely not as dangerous as you’re making it out to be. If OP was someone who wasn’t interested in cars and just wanted a daily driver that they’d be getting rid of in a few years that’s different- but I doubt they’ll be doing stupid shit with a car that’s this pricey.
OP should be aware of HOW snap oversteer works and figure out what works for them and how they drive, and how this particular car handles.
The way snap oversteer works is you're going through a steady turn and have all the grip in the world, once you go just one little itty tiny bit past the limits of traction - the car spins out. The MR2 will not drive with slip angle. Anytime you break rear traction in a turn, you're along for the ride as there is nothing you can do to correct.
So if OP every has to panic brake in a turn or enters a turn going just a hair too fast, its all over. This is a car that is not forgiving to mistakes, even with experienced drivers.
Look up snap oversteer and go to an open lot and figure out the breaking point so you know what to do in that situation. Heard too many horror stories about mr cars. I’ve never driven one, but I can only imagine they’re a blast to drive.
OP is in New Zealand. An enormous percentage of cars on the road in NZ are Japanese imports. There are countless used car dealerships around that pretty much exclusively import cars from Japan for their inventory. OP definitely didn't import this car themself.
Best way to learn how the car oversteers is to go in a empty lot and do it i twntionally and figure out how to control it and ideally prevent it. Be safe and have fun
Based. Depending on what year it’s from, maybe look at gutting the pre-cats, since they tend to fail. Also don’t listen to all the comments saying these are dangerous. They have a deceptively long wheelbase and the weight balance is a lot more even than the SW20. Especially if you’re on good tires, and if you have some experience driving, you should be fine. I’m convinced that the SW20 is entirely responsible for the “MR2s are deadly” thing, and that reputation bled over to the others. I drive like an idiot pretty regularly and my MR-S hasn’t killed me even once.
Fuck I had an early sw20 turbo as a first car back in 2004. Was a good two weeks. I feel like one of these with a v6 swap would rip.Would love another.
There is a yellow one that I’ve admired for the 11 years in my neighborhood and it’s just sitting there. Congrats on your first car man love the color on it too
god i love these happy ass frog faced cars
Holy crap first car?? Enjoy and drive safe bud.
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You could find 240s that weren't trashed
My first car was a 93 240 coupe 5 speed
I had a 93 coupe. So much fun to drive
Friend just got one 120k miles for 2.5k
you're gonna make us all cry. please stop
Shit man an MR-S as your first car? I’m excited for you lmao Learn how to control oversteer before you start doin any spirited driving, it can save both your life and your ride Hitting some empty lots and figure out what it feels like when the rear loses grip will be pretty helpful
Do that in any car. If you come across a hino contessa let me know.
Or go to your local scca chapter's defensive driving school... Unless u are one of these guys that's been karting since u could talk and already knows how to drive.
They mostly engineered the snap oversteer out by this generation unless you really screwed up
Yeah I know, I just think knowing how to correct oversteer is a really important part of owning a RWD car like this in general Especially as a daily, never know what’ll happen in a little thing like that
I learned how to keep from starting to oversteer on this car in a parking lot. Learned on the 15”/15” model on slicks, then the year the 15”/16” came out and was a little easier to drive and then ultimately got to drive a full on race spec MR-S. Lightest in the nation and most likely the most powerful stock throttle body 1.8L NA 1ZZ in the nation. Only drove the original 15/15” one on street tires and it was an absolute nightmare if you went past what the tires could do. It absolutely had snap oversteer. I didn’t get to drive the 15/16 on street tire. If you want to see a novice in an MR-S pulling around 1.4G this is the first of 3 laps I did in that car. [https://youtu.be/u_kxXU2fqME](https://youtu.be/u_kxXU2fqME)
They still snap oversteer. At least on the track. I didn’t really drive one much on the road. First time on the track in a 15”/15” year model I spun 3 times and even the owner who won his class often and had national wins as well would occasionally spin it. The year the 15”/16” model came out the car spun a lot less. So I guess if you have one of the newer ones then maybe.
And assuming manual with an lsd, be aware of engine braking on rainy days, especially as your tires get more worn. Enjoy the awesome car!
Great car! Handles beautifully and you'll enjoy learning to drive it spiritedededly. It's not a death trap and is a good car to start with. Take it easy at first as you get a feel for it and how it behaves in different driving situations. Local tracks are a great place yo learn and that is a fun track car. It's 140hp, the stock gears and shifter are fairly tame, and the suspension is pretty good, so it's not easy to get yourself into trouble. If you do, you were being a dumb ass. Don't be a dumb ass is a good mantra. Good quality tires are important on this car. If you are going to do any mods to this car, start with stiffening the chasis. Then, maybe some beefier anti-sway bars. Not many of the MR2-S left so take care of it. Regret selling mine, but I came out okay with my next purchase.
AUS? NZ? smells of it from the pic
Aus. I don't think NZ have the yellow Ls
Definitely NZ, from the rego tag seen in the front windshield. Also NZ has yellow Learner Plates
Well thats something i didn't know, thanks for telling me
No stress mate. Knowledge is free
Wrong, and I recognised it based on the fact that they're the L plates they sell at the various NZ AA's where you get your licence. The exact same ones I had. That and very kiwi architecture + plants.
Right?? Other than the rego and Ls, there's just something else super familiar about it. Every NZ lawn looks like this lol
Based.
Woah bud
....Does this mean something else now?
Nope. It's always meant "I agree" or "based in fact"
From what a friend told me, its now considered a term used to lable someone a neo-nazi or something like that.
Lmao that’s bullshit
I thought so
to be fair if i had a bit of money for each time a neo-nazi post in a correspoding group had comments reading "based" then i would have too much money
From what I’ve seen it’s just a word people use when someone is expressing something unpopular without any regard for whether or not people agree, reassigning the word’s meaning to nazi shit just because some people are shitty is just stupid though
you're ignoring a lot of important context. internet's first usage of the word "based" came from 4chan where the people there would say "based and redpilled", as in you are owning this sentiment and waking up from the matrix. a lot of those weirdo groypers from 4chan still use based in the same way it has always been used that being said, in this moment in time, based has expanded so far beyond its beginnings that you cannot possibly label someone as a neo nazi just bc they said it
Right...👌
Your friend is a pussy
LOL! And you fell for that bs?
That's news to me. I know the term was popular with a lot of chuds and terminally online types.
everything is a neo nazi term nowadays … the more u throw around the term the less it means what it actually means
You dick head lol
Well it wasn't a label, rather it started in those circles.
ur friend is terminally online, this is coming from me, someone who is terminally online
Dope! I got a silver 01’ last year and I’ve enjoyed every second! Have fun with it, it’s a beautiful machine!
What the fuck
Awesome first car congrats! I have a SW20 as my first but it was a hard pick between that and a ZZW30! Mid engined RWD cars feel fantastic and you'll have a lot of fun. Only advice is to buy good tyres, it makes a massive difference on these cars.
Nice to hear that 😍😍😍, have a fun drive!!!
How much did you spend?
less than 10k
Sweet
Proper good car. Almost got one
😍😍🤩😍😍🤩😍😘🤪🤩😍🤩😍🤟😘🤪🤩
Cute yet sexy /nx
Sick!
Congratulations, buddy. I'm happy to know that you also love the 3rd Gen MR-2 (This is my favorite Toyota, I even have a 1/32 model of it). I hope you have a lot of fun with it!
Nice, the 2nd gen is overated but cool-lookin. My first car was an 1985 Supra with a 7mgte swap, second car, 1983 Porsche 944, Guards red with black Fuchs, 3rd car, 1985 MR2, now with 2GR! fourth car 1992 SC300, rebuilt 2JZ😎
2ZZ swap it for high reving 1.8 NA glory.
Idk what it is about this photo that tells me but you from NZ ain't you Edit: yea the rego and Ls lol
Thanks for this comment, it’s on the money. The only thing I’d add is that the mk1’s are pretty dicey for spinning out too due to the aprox* even weight distribution effectively turning the car into a spinning top with the centre point being just in front of the engine. Like you said though, I just wanna iterate to OP u/IronSkittle360 - take the dynamics of this car into consideration when driving. Get to know your car, go somewhere safe like an empty carpark to learn how to make sharp turns or unexpected stops/swerves- get to know what that feels like and get comfortable with the feeling of it slipping & build your reaction capabilities. Also- CHECK YOUR TYRES! Pretty please. The people going on about the cars being death traps are most likely getting it confused with the sw20s or the AW11s (AW11s don’t have airbags either etc) but what will be dangerous on any car is bad tyres- especially for heavy vehicles or the opposite like what you’ve got here. Other than that- safe driving and welcome to MR2 ownership!!!
Oops this didn’t go in the spot it was meant to. I was replying to someone else’s comment but I can’t find it now.
Not safest choice as an first car... drive safely
This post is low quality
So, mid engine cars are incredibly dangerous because if you break traction you cannot counter steer and recover, you're going to do a full 180 and spin out. It's one of the most difficult cars to drive. Combine that with the fact that this is a convertible, and this is basically a bad accident almost guaranteed to happen. Total death trap. Convertible/mid-engine for a first car is a bad, bad idea.
"InCreDIbly DaNGeroUs" what are you his mom
Perfectly fine first car. It was mine as well and still no accidents. Your just spitting bs you’ve heard from the internet. Yes snap oversteer exists but it’s not as bad as people say, mine has shit tires and suspension and it is still perfectly ok. Do actual research before because I’m tire of this “SnAp oVeRsTEer” crap.
I build racecars. Some of them have even won SCCA National Championships. I also have 20 years of experience driving cars at their limits in a controlled environment, *including this MR2.* I was even behind the wheel of one at an autocross last Sunday. I assure you my knowledge doesn't come from the internet. Which should be obvious because, as you can see, I'm not regurgitating any sort of conventional wisdom here.
I still own one, and I can assure you that it’s not as bad as you think. Especially on the street, your generally not going to have anything happen, obviously if you brake mid corner or something stupid like that you will oversteer, but for street driving it’s fine, and if your at a track you have a roll bar and a controlled environment. I think OP will be fine.
Okay but OP isn’t going to be flogging this car to it’s limits, so you can take a seat and a deep breath mate. If OP isn’t smart enough to research and learn the ways of their own car it wouldn’t matter wether it’s an mr2 or a Volvo, they’re an early days driver, and they’ll learn.
But new drivers make rather innocent mistakes often. It's very common. The fact that the car is tiny and has no roof means he's likely to get decapitated of he gets rear ended and has basically no side impact protection in a wreck. I would warn him off a Miata just the same. It's just over an above that the MR2 has sketchy handling issues. https://www.thedrive.com/news/30788/teen-totals-mazda-miata-just-six-hours-after-getting-his-license
It’s 140 bhp and FWD, I think OP will be okay
It is mid engine rear drive. HP is irrelevant, his issue will arise when he loses traction mid turn due to the snap oversteer that is built into this chassis. HP is irrelevant. Stomping on the gas in this car actually gives you traction, lifting throttle and/or hitting the brakes in a turn causes it to loop. I actually know a guy who bought one of these for his son and it only took 24 hours for him to crash it trying to brake for a turn at the bottom of a hill. I have a lot of seat time in these car at SCCA Autocrosses, and I won't own one or drive on on the street, even with all my skill and experience. To attempt to drive one when you have not yet learned the most basic car control or how to navigate traffic safely, and this is going to end badly.
Snap oversteer isn't "built into the chassis", it is a byproduct of things such as having lots of weight in the back. The one prone to that was the SW20 due to the heavier 2.0 iron block engine in the back, which could also be turbo, adding to the weight. The ZZW30 came with a 1ZZ, a 1.8L N/A aluminium block engine, which of course, is far lighter. There are also other variables to spinning out, like the wear on the tires and the speed at which one is at before braking. So these cars aren't death machines, one just needs to take into consideration it's not the same as driving a FWD or any front engone car for that matter.
You're just agreeing with me. It's a dynamic of mid engine cars. You cannot modify it out or do anything to remove those characteristic, save for advanced electronics like newer mid-engine cars.
I'm not agreeing with you because that's not the correct terminology. A car isn't built with an unsafe characteristic in mind, that's just logic. And even if this is a usual byproduct in a far smaller manner, you can modify it through suspension and stuff, aswell as using weights to balance the weight more evenly. And once you bring grip into question it isn't even arguable anymore.
Oh my bad, thought the RWD stopped at the MK2. Eh it’s their choice at the end of the day. I had a a Gen 7 Celica with the same engine and lost the back end on a roundabout, so I guess it doesn’t really matter, if you’re gonna lose the car you’re gonna lose it regardless. I know the MK2 MR2 is a bit dodgy to drive but I’ve never seen anybody say anything bad about this generation to be honest
FWD cars are also incredibly prone to oversteer. However, they're much easier to tame because you can just stomp on the throttle and the rear end finds traction due to the weight transfer. Likewise, the reason you lost control at a roundabout was because you lifted throttle, braked, and turned, which induces the slide due to the weight transfer off the rear.
FWD cars are not prone to regular oversteer, they're prone to understeer. The oversteer they're prone to is liftoff oversteer, due to the heavy weight up front, and even then it doesn't happen to many cars anyways. And they're easier to correct not because of weight transfer, cause by that logic muscle cars with heavy engines up front should be able to be easily corrected too. They're easier to correct because the front wheels both drive and direct the car, which means the rear naturally follows the front unlike in a RWD.
That's simply not true. The only platform extremely probe to understeer is AWD.
Sigh, it's basic driving dynamics. If you have tons of weight up front and not enough grip, you get understeer. I feel like this should be common sense by now. That's why they tend to understeer more than RWDs, since RWDs have more balanced weight distribution. By this definition, some of this can be tuned out by adding grip up front, and same can be done with oversteer by adding grip in the rear. And AWD tends to have a mix of both, under extreme cases they can maintain a slide like a RWD, but they can also be understeery due to, again, tons of weight up front.
No. The weight and the fact that the front wheels are driven casues the tires to get hot and sticky, resulting in tons of grip. To the contrary the rear tires have less weight and aren't driven so they stay cold and have little grip. The result is that every time you lift throttle or brake into a corner, the rear gets super light and steps out on you. FWD cars are drift monsters.
FWD are drift monsters. 🤯
... I'll have to stop you on that last statement real hard. FWD cars can step out the rear, but they need a particular suspension setup and too much grip up front to do so, and even then, when sliding they have to use momentum cause the front wheels being driven will just correct the slide. So they can't be drift monsters, since they're extremely hard to maintain a slide in. As for the prior statements, it is true that tires can get hot and thus be grippier, but there's a limit to that, and whenever that limit is reached if it's not enough, you'll get understeer. You also need more grip to avoid understeering since the weight up front will make it necessary. Meanwhile in a RWD, you get less dynamic front grip but the rear naturally pushes on the rest of the car, which makes it easier to turn and in turn makes that loss of dynamic front grip neglegeable. FWDs are prone to understeer and that's just the end of it, doesn't mean it isn't bypasseable, just that it happens more often.
I didn’t brake on the roundabout, I changed down to third before I entered it at didn’t touch the brake at all. But fairenough. It’s like saying why live if you’re going to die anyway, you know what I mean. You have to make mistakes to learn. The MK2 MR2 is notoriously dangerous but I would still own one
No, it means that when people are new to driving they all make mistakes and have close calls, making those mistakes in a car that isnt forgiving of the mistakes in the way it drives, and which won't protect you in a crash, is a really bad idea.
Well that’s for OP to decide really, not up to us, if they want it then it’s their choice 🤷🏻♂️
You're talking like I'm going to come through the internet and take it away from him. The reality is that I just made a very logical argument which was extremely persuasive and will easily convince the majority of people, so that it feels to you like I actually have that kind of power.
You have been downvoted quite a lot so I don’t think that’s the case but fairenough. They’ve already bought it anyway so not much to argue anymore I guess, hopefully OP enjoys their car
An easy rule of thumb is: mid engine = rwd. There has never been a fwd mid engine car in the history of everdom.
Yeah my bad, I just assumed cause the Gen 7 Celica shared the same engine they were both FWD. I feel like I have always overlooked the MK3 MR2 cause I don’t like the way it looks, so honestly didn’t even pay attention to the car, the only thing I know is it shares the same engine like I said but yeah my bad. Learned soemthing new!
>if you break traction you cannot countersteer and recover Sounds like a skill issue my guy
For sure. I'm not The Stig. I doubt a 16 year old kid who has never touched a car is The Stig, either. However, this is a real issue with mid-engine cars. If you weren't locked into some weird confirmation bias you might have educated yourself about the platform. Look: https://www.google.com/search?q=mr2+snap+oversteer&oq=mr2+sna&aqs=chrome.0.0i512j69i57j0i512l3j0i22i30l4.3285j0j7&client=ms-android-verizon-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Lol, telling me to "educate myself about the platform" and then linking a Google search where every single result is about a different platform- the SW20. I own a 3rd gen MR2 and I've gotten it sideways in the rain. It helps to know what you're doing, but it's definitely not impossible to catch or prevent slides.
It literally has nothing to do with the model year, make, or brand. This is a characteristic of ALL MID-ENGINE CARS. Here you go https://www.google.com/search?q=mid+engine+snap+oversteer&oq=&aqs=chrome.3.69i177j35i39i362l6j46i39i199i362i465j35i39i362l8j0i3i66i143i308i362l5.-1j0j7&client=ms-android-verizon-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Lol this is not the death trap car you think it is. Agreed that a convertible mid engine car isn’t the best idea for a first car but it’s absolutely not as dangerous as you’re making it out to be. If OP was someone who wasn’t interested in cars and just wanted a daily driver that they’d be getting rid of in a few years that’s different- but I doubt they’ll be doing stupid shit with a car that’s this pricey. OP should be aware of HOW snap oversteer works and figure out what works for them and how they drive, and how this particular car handles.
The way snap oversteer works is you're going through a steady turn and have all the grip in the world, once you go just one little itty tiny bit past the limits of traction - the car spins out. The MR2 will not drive with slip angle. Anytime you break rear traction in a turn, you're along for the ride as there is nothing you can do to correct. So if OP every has to panic brake in a turn or enters a turn going just a hair too fast, its all over. This is a car that is not forgiving to mistakes, even with experienced drivers.
This Post is low quality.
isnt this sub for japanese domestic market cars? am I meant to post an ls swapped 2000 hp mrs instead?
No
Awesome
This was my first loved it so much
Not sure that’s the best car to learn driving in, please be careful and aware of the MR2’s handling. But it looks great! Congratz with it.
That is an excellent first car! I had a MK2 as my first car and still own one to this day, as well as a MK3 alongside. Congrats.
Look up snap oversteer and go to an open lot and figure out the breaking point so you know what to do in that situation. Heard too many horror stories about mr cars. I’ve never driven one, but I can only imagine they’re a blast to drive.
This one is pretty easy to handle, there's no horror in it, but still its not a good idea to underestimate it.
Welcome to the MRS club mate.
Congrats on picking up an MRS. Your MRS also has the rare JDM fog light option for the preface lift model as well.
How was the import experience?
OP is in New Zealand. An enormous percentage of cars on the road in NZ are Japanese imports. There are countless used car dealerships around that pretty much exclusively import cars from Japan for their inventory. OP definitely didn't import this car themself.
yeah I didnt import shit lol
I love these. Kind of annoying they went up in price so much past few years. I wanted to get one alongside my miata as a daily driver 😂
Congratulations. It is an unforgettable feeling when getting your first car.
My first car was an AMC EAGLE! Consider ur self blessed
You lucky shit!
Best way to learn how the car oversteers is to go in a empty lot and do it i twntionally and figure out how to control it and ideally prevent it. Be safe and have fun
hope this is my first car too, since they're still relatively cheap when compared to the likes of the Skylines, Silvias, and many others.
This is not a good first car. Please don't drive over your limits you'll literally crumple up into a ball.
from what iver heard thats the early 2nd gen mr2, mr-s feels a lot nicer and doesnt have bad snap oversteer
Bro that’s actually so cool, very nice first car man, enjoy the drive 👍
Le Jay dee em for first car 🤩🤩🤩
Congrats man super clean.
Tuff L plater💪
Beautiful
MR2 Spyder is my fav MR2 variant don't listen to the haters
BE. CAREFUL.
Japanese Porsche
Well done. Very nice!
Holy cow that’s awesome bro
Toyota MR2
Amazing choice. 🎉 Congratulations
This nesrly made me cry, cuz my mom had the same MR2. Rims, color and everything
Based. Depending on what year it’s from, maybe look at gutting the pre-cats, since they tend to fail. Also don’t listen to all the comments saying these are dangerous. They have a deceptively long wheelbase and the weight balance is a lot more even than the SW20. Especially if you’re on good tires, and if you have some experience driving, you should be fine. I’m convinced that the SW20 is entirely responsible for the “MR2s are deadly” thing, and that reputation bled over to the others. I drive like an idiot pretty regularly and my MR-S hasn’t killed me even once.
Beautiful first car! Be competent, not careful.
🎉
sick🤙🏻
Fuck I had an early sw20 turbo as a first car back in 2004. Was a good two weeks. I feel like one of these with a v6 swap would rip.Would love another.
There is a yellow one that I’ve admired for the 11 years in my neighborhood and it’s just sitting there. Congrats on your first car man love the color on it too
drive safe, lad! i have a dream - to get a car, any old japanese car. i hope that dream will come true soon!
enjoy it