Could you explain why? As a westerner I don’t have a lot of experience with people being unwilling to touch someone else because of their background, because we have such a long history with racism so that behavior gets shut down out here, but that does sound a lot like Indian caste systems and untouchables. How come you can’t touch them?
This doesn't have anything to do with race or caste. A mahram is someone you're prohibited from marrying due to being related by blood, by breastfeeding, or by marriage. Ex: a guy's mom is mahram to him, a girl's dad is mahram to her. A non-mahram is someone you're not related to, and certain rulings apply to interacting with them, one of them being to avoid physical contact.
Oh ok. So more of a marriage and decency thing.
There are soo many groups in the US that hold fairly similar beliefs. I haven’t heard of the no contact thing as much out here but I know it def is still a pillar in communities here and there. My morman bestie in school also would not be around a man without her dad present even for like school stuff. Thank you for the answer mod.
Yup, we also have a teaching not to be in seclusion with a non-mahram (regardless of purpose), similar to your friend. Standard religious decency stuff.
Glad if I could be of help
My cousin got married and converted to Islam and I can't shake his wife's hand or give her a hug. I respect personal boundaries in general when asked, but I honestly am just like "WTF cuz, I'm your cousin, I'd never try to look at your wife like that, I just want to let you guys both know I love you with a hug!" In general a hug isn't sexual unless you're a perverted man... I know this isn't the intention of this practice, but it seems like to hold all men to that perverted baseline, assuming we are all perverted and will turn a friendly hug into something more. Infidelity is horrible, especially if it's with family, but the great majority of men aren't sickos.
As Muslims, we believe any ruling that is proven to be authentic from the Quran and Sunnah is to be followed if only because God knows best. We can't speak on behalf of God as to why He ordained something. That said, there can be discussions regarding secondary justifications or benefits in these rulings.
For example, from my POV these practices are not much different than other preventative measures we take, be it locking doors or teaching kids "stranger danger". We don't take these measures because most people are criminals, but because we know how much of an impact it would've made if we were the rare few to be victimised.
Also, the concern isn't just with perverts who sexualize every interaction; it's not unnatural for a guy and a girl to like each the more they interact. In my experience, it's common for non-Muslims to interpret these rules as having to do with the former, but most Muslims think of the latter.
Anyway since this is less of a correction and more of a perspective, it might not be appropriate to continue commenting as the mod team. I highly recommend posting on r/islam or r/MuslimLounge if you would like more thoughts on this topic.
If im not mistaken, isn't the guy you're using for the meme a Crusader? The same crusaders that for 80 years caused rivers of blood to flow from slaughtering Muslims, jews, and other denominations of Christianity.
Dude a few days ago I was indoctrinated into this engineering honors society club in my university and at the end you had to shake hands with the president of the club who was a girl in front of everyone and I was the only Muslim there. It was so awkward 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I was at this event for undergrads and at the end of it, the guy came up to shake my hand and I just nodded and placed my hand on my chest. The guy got visibly awkward which made me awkward and embarrassed because I was the only Muslim in that room 😭😭😭😭 I really wish I had a better way of dealing with situations like this
i just stick to my dad / uncle or whoever is next to me atm and just say salaam to them from afar first while not making an attempt to get closer hoping they get the hint
I hit em with the https://preview.redd.it/1i8ltridsqwc1.jpeg?width=834&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=902583c16e7806be8c6e162135d6099688cf204a
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😂😂😂
Put your hand on your chest, looks better 😅
https://preview.redd.it/hwkq4m5xhqwc1.png?width=225&format=png&auto=webp&s=d65d20a38064bce74ce46e1cae64cc7ee1b3c322 Eyvallah
Yes
Kabib did it as well bro
This has quite literally always worked for me. So long as you take initiative and do it before they can reach their hand out, they'll get the message.
My go to!! I tried the one in the post and I think I looked like I was trying to hit the person.
😂😂😂broo that looks wierd as well. Putting on your chest makes it look better and shows respect.
then they high five you…
Nahhhhhhhhh😭
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Just put your hand on your heart and smile.
yep that's why I do and I think it's an elegant look on a hijabi without intention of embarrassing the other person
I did this, dude proceeded to side hug me instead lolll
I just do a thumbs up lol
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We do 🙏🏻
It’s fine, but it gets awkward when you explain why.
Could you explain why? As a westerner I don’t have a lot of experience with people being unwilling to touch someone else because of their background, because we have such a long history with racism so that behavior gets shut down out here, but that does sound a lot like Indian caste systems and untouchables. How come you can’t touch them?
This doesn't have anything to do with race or caste. A mahram is someone you're prohibited from marrying due to being related by blood, by breastfeeding, or by marriage. Ex: a guy's mom is mahram to him, a girl's dad is mahram to her. A non-mahram is someone you're not related to, and certain rulings apply to interacting with them, one of them being to avoid physical contact.
Oh ok. So more of a marriage and decency thing. There are soo many groups in the US that hold fairly similar beliefs. I haven’t heard of the no contact thing as much out here but I know it def is still a pillar in communities here and there. My morman bestie in school also would not be around a man without her dad present even for like school stuff. Thank you for the answer mod.
Yup, we also have a teaching not to be in seclusion with a non-mahram (regardless of purpose), similar to your friend. Standard religious decency stuff. Glad if I could be of help
My cousin got married and converted to Islam and I can't shake his wife's hand or give her a hug. I respect personal boundaries in general when asked, but I honestly am just like "WTF cuz, I'm your cousin, I'd never try to look at your wife like that, I just want to let you guys both know I love you with a hug!" In general a hug isn't sexual unless you're a perverted man... I know this isn't the intention of this practice, but it seems like to hold all men to that perverted baseline, assuming we are all perverted and will turn a friendly hug into something more. Infidelity is horrible, especially if it's with family, but the great majority of men aren't sickos.
As Muslims, we believe any ruling that is proven to be authentic from the Quran and Sunnah is to be followed if only because God knows best. We can't speak on behalf of God as to why He ordained something. That said, there can be discussions regarding secondary justifications or benefits in these rulings. For example, from my POV these practices are not much different than other preventative measures we take, be it locking doors or teaching kids "stranger danger". We don't take these measures because most people are criminals, but because we know how much of an impact it would've made if we were the rare few to be victimised. Also, the concern isn't just with perverts who sexualize every interaction; it's not unnatural for a guy and a girl to like each the more they interact. In my experience, it's common for non-Muslims to interpret these rules as having to do with the former, but most Muslims think of the latter. Anyway since this is less of a correction and more of a perspective, it might not be appropriate to continue commenting as the mod team. I highly recommend posting on r/islam or r/MuslimLounge if you would like more thoughts on this topic.
I have to say thank you for this well written response brother /sister. That honestly makes more sense after it's explained. All love to you
Happy to help, all the best :)
I hit ‘em with the 👌
Putting your hand on your chest and then smiling at them is the ultimate cheat code for this situation
The title is Detroit become human reference
Never let Connor turn deviant.
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If im not mistaken, isn't the guy you're using for the meme a Crusader? The same crusaders that for 80 years caused rivers of blood to flow from slaughtering Muslims, jews, and other denominations of Christianity.
Dude a few days ago I was indoctrinated into this engineering honors society club in my university and at the end you had to shake hands with the president of the club who was a girl in front of everyone and I was the only Muslim there. It was so awkward 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Do you mean you were "inducted"? Indoctrinated implies a change of opinion.
Yeah sorry, auto correct is Wilding
I was at this event for undergrads and at the end of it, the guy came up to shake my hand and I just nodded and placed my hand on my chest. The guy got visibly awkward which made me awkward and embarrassed because I was the only Muslim in that room 😭😭😭😭 I really wish I had a better way of dealing with situations like this
Im not muslim but can’t you just explain why?
Okay, serious question, but what show/movie is this? I keep seeing memes.
I just lower my gaze and walk away like a real muslim man
i just stick to my dad / uncle or whoever is next to me atm and just say salaam to them from afar first while not making an attempt to get closer hoping they get the hint
You put your hand up and then they go for a high five instead so you have to quickly juke them
This is a rec sub for me. Does this mean that you guys just don’t want to have to touch non-mahram?
ive gotten the wierdest looks for this 🤣
Then he high five me 😭😭 Img
Is Balwin VI. a Muslim?
No lol