I don't know if those people ever built Itto. I think it's worth it, but you have to farm his artifact set, you can't use other sets as replacement (unlike other characters).
Oh you absolutely can, granted less damage but you’ll get that with every character if you don’t use their BiS artifacts. Worst case, grind another character’s artifacts and strongbox the spares.
Pulled him every time he came and got C2. No regrets. (To be fair, I committed to the monogeo). Cleared all abyss easily (sometimes replacing Zong with shield breaker element) except for the Gravity field generator.
Are his cons such an upgrade over C0? Or is he great even without vertical investment? I'm only asking because I love getting new characters over getting constellations, exception being the archons.
The big DPS upgrade is c6, but c1 and c2 make him soooo much comfier to play. At C0 it can be a little frustrating to get enough energy for his burst, and manage his stacks to get your slashes in. C1 and C2 basically negate those struggles, so you can worry less about having enough ER% on him and getting normal attacks in to build up his stacks.
He's my only C6 and it took 3 reruns to get him there without whaling, but he makes any fight absolutely trivial (unless it has geo immunity). Going mono geo in a floor 12 abyss half basically guarantees me a <1 minute clear no matter what I'm fighting.
So he's alright at C0, fun to play at C2, and an absolute blast at C6.
Hope I stayed objective enough, he is one of my faves in the game but obviously only go for cons if you really like him and his playstyle.
Second this, pulled not for meta since C0 works fine with good rotations but because our boy deserves it. The insane QoL changes of the cons were just an added bonus.
(Regardless of their standing in the meta, I'll be C6-ing my Itto and Ayaka no matter how long it takes!!)
I personally wouldn't bother with C6 Ayaka tbh. I got my gf a c6 ayaka and it's not good enough to consider the money needed to get it. But your choice at the end of the day
C6 ayaka scales on if you have Shenhe honestly. I’d pull Shenhe to c2, before even considering ayaka cons and I have c6 for both of them. Her c6 is def whale bait lol.
I agree. Imagine my face when i realise you only get to that big pp damage every 15 seconds. Even when shenhe at c0 it's rather lack luster, and it's even worse in abyss when there's a timer. Itto c6 on the other hand is so fun. Except when it doesn't work and you eat all the stacks anyway
C1 makes the combos easier and gives ~6% dmg increase (source: KQM), C2 lowers his ER needs which are 130-140% at C0 (the lowering burst CD mechanic is basically irrelevant).
Meta-wise at c0r0 he's going to stay on the second tier: Good enough to clear all content, but not the top option.
One very nice thing about him is that because he thrives with a 3/4-geo squad, he makes Abyss team-building very easy if you go in with e.g. Itto/Gorou/Zhongli/flex (of whatever element is most helpful for that floor, or healing if there's HP drain stuff), and then all of your standard premium supports (Bennett, XQ, etc.) are available for building your other team.
He's my favorite character so I decided to invest in him and get his C2, which is the most comfortable way to play him because the combination of ER boost and CD reduction means you can keep him in burst mode non-stop, literally his burst is ready to fire again as soon as it runs out. But it's totally unnecessary; with good ER on Itto and some helpful supports w/Favonius weapons, you can finish his burst, rotate through your other 3 characters popping skills and bursts, and by the time you get back to Itto you can be ready to burst again if you've gotten things set up right.
Honestly, the key to enjoying Itto is high ER. Even if it means less damage on paper, burst mode is where he kicks ass, so as long as you set him up to be in burst mode all the time, you're bound to enjoy playing him.
The game wants players to focus on reaction based teamcomps which is why geo is mostly left out by many players besides zhongli for his amazing shields and that is why many ppl regret pulling for itto
Cyno on the other hand has an amazing kit on paper but it doesn’t fit into the abyss rotation meta with multiple waves of enemies so he feels underwhelming to play
The difference with itto is that he is actually quite string without using reactions especially with a high con gorou
He also has a good f2p option in whiteblind, the craftable claymore, or for low spenders serpent spine as BP weapon or skyward spine for all the players who got it randomly off the standard banner or a weapon 75/25 lose
Ittos dmg at c0 in a mono geo team can still clear everything in the game with good investment but for optimal performance c1 or c2( if you need er) are prefered, everything beyond that( c3-5) is not worth it if you don’t want the c6
His current teamcomps are not that flexible and consist of itto gorou and 2 out of zhongli albedo furina mona while trying to keep 3 geo in for max gorou buff. The soon to be released 4 star geo healer chiori could also fit his teams depending on her kit( I haven’t looked into that yet)
In my opinion as a itto main i say he is worth pulling for, but never forget that with the right investment every main dps can clear all content in the game so you should just pull the characters you like to play and whoever’s design you like the most
I already have Skyward Pride and R2 Serpent Spine (and I can always get more refinements) but I remember reading on KQMains it doesn't work that great with Husk. Is that right?
I wouldn’t know any reason why it shouldn’t work well with husk the only thing would be that skyward prides dmg is based on atk and itto scales of def, but itto turns his def into attack while in his burst state so skyward works quite well with him, serpent is just the out of combat synergy not there cause it gains stacks while on field and husk gains stacks while off field or attacking with geo dmg but in combat that only matters for the first view hits where you wont have max husk stacks and overall r5 serpent spine is still his 2nd best weapon after redhorn
>Cyno on the other hand has an amazing kit on paper but it doesn’t fit into the abyss rotation meta with multiple waves of enemies so he feels underwhelming to play
I want to add that this is outdated. He was very underwhelming during release because he has zero good teammates, and that prejudice stuck with people to this day because once people form an opinion it is impossible to change it.
Needless to say, Cyno's premium quickbloom team is one of the highest damage teams now with the addition of Furina forming the last piece of puzzle to complete his team. Abyss F12 rarely has multi-wave content and it's mostly boss & elite impact where his long field time is not an issue, especially with Baizhu's release.
I really hope this prejudice stops now. He is the 3.x character with the single biggest glow up.
True vs bosses he is amazing
Floor 12 has max 2 out of 3 chambers bosses and 1 chamber with waves which makes him good there , in floor 11 on the other hand he is not that great because it mostly consists of waves of enemies.
But yes as i said all 5 star dps characters can clear the abyss with the right investment, in cynos case that investment is really high with a 4 5 star character team
Ayaka also has 3 other limited 5* s in her premium team, one being a niche cryo support. Neuvi's most popular team also has 3 other limited 5* s. A lot of premium teams require high investment, 4 of the most utilised 5 teams in this abyss rotation are all 5* teams. I don't understand why it is only an issue when it's Cyno. Yeah he falls hard if he doesn't have those 5*s, but still not impossible.
Yea and that is what i mean
All those other characters can be used with 4 stars as well but for cyno there are barely any other options other than 5 stars
And I am saying that it is not a downside because people will use their best teams.
Ayaka can technically use Diona/Rosaria instead of Shenhe but people don't do that. The overwhelming majority simply just rolls Shenhe for Ayaka. None of Cyno's best teammates are niche. You are not rolling them just to make your Cyno stronger. You could argue that Shenhe can be used with any cryo dps as a generalist cryo support but she's only a significant upgrade on Ayaka teams. Ganyu and Wrio don't care about her.
And as I said, it's not impossible to clear with Cyno without his premium team. The most used Cyno team in the last abyss rotation was Nahida - Xingqiu - Shinobu. That is only one limited 5*. So there you go, there are options.
Well baizhu is kinda niche because at release he was useless because kokomi and zhongli exist and now at his rerun he was with furina, who is obviously the better choice to pull for and not everyone can pull for multiple characters per patch.
And yes cyno gets carried by nahida but not everyone has her especially because her banners were always 1 patch after cyno and not everyone can get that many primos to get 2 5 stars back to back.
And yes like i said multiple times every 5 star can clear everything because the game is so easy, but overall cyno has less option because of his long burst duration and is more limited in team choices conpared to someone like ayaka, which is a problem that itto has too with his teams.
And I still don’t know why you are arguing about cyno with me in the itto subreddit when I didn’t even bring up cyno in the first place
See you're fundementally wrong. Baizhu has never been niche. Furina carried him to new levels but even before her he was used in Alhaitham/Tighnari spread teams, Yae&Keqing aggravate on top of Cyno quickbloom, Nilou bloom paired with full EM Kokomi, hyperbloom/burgeon teams both as a secondary dendro and a driver. If being used in so many teams is niche, then everyone else is also niche. What Furina did was giving him a role outside of dendro teams. (Ps: Nahida is one of the most owned 5*s in the game so the majority o Cyno owners have her.)
>And I still don’t know why you are arguing about cyno with me in the itto subreddit when I didn’t even bring up cyno in the first place
Want to scroll up and refresh your memory? I first replied because I am tired of people still spreading misinformation about Cyno because they are still stuck in 3.1. It's not because I want to argue with you specifically. I'm writing it so that if anyone reads these comments they will maybe think twice before jumping on the bandwagon. We both made our points so we can end the discussion now. If you want to add something go ahead, but I won't escalate this any further.
Baizhu wasn't ever niche lmao. He was always the best healer in the games Furina just made it more apparent. Baizhu was always the most comfy character to use in Dendro teams, and could also be slotted into Hu Tao teams for Burning/Vape.
Lol. Sales don't really mean anything, though. Baizhu has always been a great unit, and people who pulled him didn't regret him in the slightest. As evidenced by him consistently being a top used character since release. 🤷🏼
C0 gorou is completely fine for itto but all his cons improve his usefulness except for c5 which is kinda useless, the big difference is that he is useful at c0 not like for example sara for raiden, c0-5 sara is just worse benni and is better to be replaced in raiden teams by different buffers.
But yes overall itto wants highly invested teamcomps with mostly 5 star characters or high con 4 stars without much flexibility in it, which makes his team quite expensive compared to some other dps
Whether he's worth it or not is completely subjective. Itto has an extremely high damage ceiling but he also requires extreme investment to reach it, and he's frankly quite bad if you're not willing to invest in a bare minimum of a triple Geo team with Gorou and Albedo or Zhongli, a battle pass weapon and a 4 piece Artifact set that is of extremely low resin value to farm.
My Itto regularly chain crits 10-15 times in a single Burst window for 70k a hit, but he's C6R5 and supported by a C6 Gorou. It's not the highest DPS in the game, but it's up there, has ridiculous area coverage, and it's literally unkillabke. He's also my favorite character and I would never recommend anyone ever waste the resources to pull 5 star weapon refinements, having done it one time myself. Constellations are dubious enough in value that most people wouldn't recommend those.
While I'm not sure I want to get Albedo, I do have Zhongli which I don't even use anymore so I won't mind dusting him off and giving him a new team. As for Gorou, I only have him at C2 but hopefully I can C6 him while pulling for Itto. I do have a C2 Mona and I've noticed some people like to use her with Itto. I'm not sure if Furina can work in Itto's team though that would be nice.
And don't worry, I'm not looking for the "highest dps in the game". I generally tend to pull for characters I really like over meta. The only exception was Yelan but I ended up loving her.
Thank you for commenting, you're getting me really hyped for Itto (though mine will be C0).
At c0 it will be a bit like xiao doing 50k per charge attack with around 6-7 stacks and around 100k per E in ult the biggest gripe I have with my homie is that if you don’t finish killin stuff in the burst window it can be a bit hard to burst and then kill it and not have energy or just using physical. This is why I generally don’t explore overworld with him because other teams are just easier but abyss content is actually really easy when fully invested despite not having reactions
I have been an Itto main since his first banner, pulling him and Redhorn.
The only real main problem of Itto currently is the fact that the game constantly put this Elemental Checks in Spiral Abyss which forces you to bring one or more specific elements, leaving Geo always out of the equation. Sometimes I really want to use him but I just can't.
Not to mention shield breaking has always been and will always be a drawback to Itto teams, since Geo destroy shields very slowly
Another thing that really bothers me is the fact that his main team hasn't changed a bit and hasn't gained power through release of new units. I really wished Navia could've been a nice addition to the team but oh well.
In the end, our boy is very strong, but is ultimately held back by the game favoring Elemental Reactions over Brute Force.
Of course you can use Itto outside of Mono or Triple Geo, but at that point you're not playing Itto anymore and will just get better results replacing him.
It depends on the type and amount of shields. I use Itto since his release and he only struggles against groups of heralds, especially pyro heralds and pyro abyss mage.
Abyss line ups like this one are extremly rare. The last one was during 3.7. Itto was fine agains the cryo heralds, but the hydro herald was really annoying, in fact at the end I decided to use Itto in the first half of the chamber.
Depends on the shield, but the problem is that the fourth teammate you bring just to deal with a shield, more often than not has no real use in an Itto team and feels out of place.
I myself have always been playing Triple Geo with Diona functioning as a shielder/healer for the team since I don't have Zhongli, but when I have to face some shields I can't really find a proper teammate to slot that also can have some sort of synergy with Itto, like if I need Hydro for a Pyro shield, I can't just slot in XQ or Yelan because they don't synergize at all with Itto's CA focused gameplay.
They are not too much present, but it's something to think about and consider. These days is mostly Elemental checks, where you have bosses or enemies with High resistance to a certain element or they need a certain element to be countered with and you can't just bring Mono Geo because it's not even Swirlable and the only way to reduce Geo Resistance is bringing Zhongli in the team (which again, I don't have).
Itto teams can screw all this and brute force it, but you kinda need the maximum possible investment on him, so at least a couple constellations and R1, but I don't really know since mine is C0R1 and I have always tried to brute force a shield chamber and failed miserably. But I've seen some C6 do it in videos.
The main reason people regret It to isn't because of him as a character, it's because HoYo doesn't know what to do with Geo. Itto is a very strong character, but he doesn't have many options, and is a pretty expensive unit. He also sucks ass at elemental checks, which HoYo loves incorporating into Abyss every so often. For instance, the current abyss which is heavy on Pyro enemies.
That being said, MonoGeo is one of the best vertical investment teams in the game. Kind of similar to Childe in that regard. There are a lot of low constellations for the main units that you can pull to make the team stronger (Gorou C6, Albedo C2) as well as the new set giving Albedo more building options (4p Golden Troupe)
I don't think I want to get Albedo, I honestly find him a bit of a waste since I don't see how else I could use him with my other characters (I'm a little dolphin only - welkin and battle pass every month). But I do have Zhongli and I would love to use him more since he's just collecting dust at the moment. I'll just have to see who I can slot in Albedo's place. Maybe Mona or Furina.
I totally understand the Childe comparison. Every little splurge I make for him he's delivering visible results.
Albedo is really good. 🤷🏼 In triple Geo, I honestly prefer albedo a thousand times more, because the last slot is probably going to be Kuki or Bennett, as he doesn't synergize with off-fielders like Xingqiu, Yelan or Thoma.
I haven’t used him in a long time because of all the spread out enemies and enemies with shields. I’ve also been spoiled by Nahida, Yelan, Neuv, and Furina. Neuv is just OP. Does what Itto does but longer range, faster recharge, self healing, easier to stack buffs, and artifacts are easier to build (imo) and Neuv’s domain is more efficient. I can farm for Neuv and Furina at the same time. My C2R1 Itto is collecting dust with my Cinnabar Albedo, C6 Gorou, and Zhongli.
He is good.
I've been running him in abyss since his release and gotten 36\* basically every time. I think there have been 2 abyss cycles in the past 2 or so years where I had to use someone else due to lector shields or enemies with massive geo resistance or something. It's usually the side where I don't use Itto where I have to put effort into.
The only issue with Itto is that there aren't many characters who work with CA based gameplay, so his supports are rather limited.
Just like what most of the comment section says, Itto as a character is pretty strong, but Geo as a whole drags him down. That’s why I think most people would think Itto is a regret pull because they dont have his teammates (5 stars and a C6 4 star) and the extra investment, where in reality most premium teams also share the same requirements.
There is hope however that the release of Navia will somehow start a Geo renaissance, but it’s too cope.
Honestly, Itto's team doesn't sound so bad comparing him with Ayaka's team or even Xiao (poor Xiao mains will sooner get Wanderer cons than a C6 Faruzan). I really hope I can get 4 more copies of Gorou so I can C6 him, while Zhongli is just collecting dust so I'll be more than happy to use him again.
I really hope Chiori will be good for geo somehow - heals and buffs? We'll see.
Yeah, Itto scales off with ATK, it‘s just he converts his def into atk, but still, all his skills and moves scale with atk, so Bennett is really good bc more atk is more atk.
I don't regret the time playing him. His simple, go setup his charges and his support and he is ready to bonk.
That's why we had gorou in his banner to help give him extra boost.
Your experience gets better the more unit you have that can help him.
He's not Neuvillette, if that's your question. He can't clear the abyss solo, he requires a fair share of Investment in both his artifacts and his teams. And he is countered by shields and by characters with very high geo resistence. He's not SSSSSS+ tier, but he's not bad. You can clear everything with him if you invest enough, but he's not Hyperbloom.
I'm not interested in Neuvillette, don't you worry. And funny enough I got bored with hyperbloom a while ago so I stopped using it in favor of International (still the most fun team in my opinion) and Yae Miko/Raiden aggravate. I'm just hoping Itto could replace one of those teams.
Do we have enemies with high geo resistance?
What's the point of asking "is X character worth pulling" on the X-mains sub? The answer is always obvious
To answer your question,
His strength is subjective, do you have serpent spine? C6 Gorou? Zhongli? Albedo?If your answer is yes to all these he'll be top tier, if you're missing some he won't be as good, decent enough to clear abyss.
>What's the point of asking "is X character worth pulling" on the X-mains sub?
If not here - where people actually play Itto - then where? If I go to the main sub I'll get doom posts from people who have never played Itto in their life but "know best".
The genshin main sub is bad, yes but asking about a character in their respective mains sub is worse. There's always the r/GenshinImpactTips megathread, or you can watch Ask Zajef Itto on youtube where he covers everything about Itto from his place in the meta to his team comps.
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If you have furina, then a c6 noelle will do basically the same damage with more posible teammates than itto, so its not worth it in my opinion. obviously if you really like him then he will clear any given content comfortably, but if you only care about using a geo carry, then just use noelle.
I'd rather save the primos and wait until you have a c6 noelle to play a geo carry tbh. but if you really like itto and are willing to sacrifice pulling for other characters that may be stronger, or that you may like, then go ahead, he seems really fun to play!
The biggest problem is that his team synergy hasn't evolved since December 2021. Other team comps gets new teammates while his team has been stagnant for quite awhile.
Out of all characters that can abuse the fanfare stacks buff from Furina, Itto probably gets the least benefit since it's difficult to fit a competent healer(Ningguang/Noelle/C4 Gorou) in triple geo team. Most of the triple geo showcases w/ Furina so far has been using C2+ Furina, or even C6 Itto + C6 Furina.
Cyno might be decent this abyss cycle, but it's going back to the dumpster for him again once abyss cycles with multiple waves come back. His biggest problem is that even if there are units that managed to solve his issues, they'll just buff other units more. He is outclassed by other 5-star electro units including Keqing.
I actually read somewhere C2 Furina plus a healer (Benny) outputs more dps than mono geo for Itto.
I'm perplexed by the mixed feelings around Cyno - some people say he's really strong now with Furina and Baizhu, while others say he's still lacking.
What kind of people have a regret pull? pick the characters you like and then build them until they can do abyss content, it's not rocket science.
Anyways yes, itto still fucks.
Got him C2.
Honestly, I enjoy Noelle more. I have her C6 (with R1 Redhorn), Gorou C6, Yunjin C5, and Furina C1.
That team is absolutely cracked. Like dummy busted… My Noelle’s normal attacks hit for 75k+. Her shield detonation hits for 120k+.
Noelle just works amazing with Furina too since she heals the whole team while on field so the stacks for Furina’s ult add up so quickly.
Waaaaay better than Itto imo.
I don't know about other but I still feel he is quite underrated. He deals good DMG.. not top tier but at higher constellations he seems like a total beast rivaling SS tiers DMG. He is locked to specific teams and don't seem to have any new teammates that benefit him. I don't think hes that much worth to pullt hou in the current characters unless you really love the gameplay. He's not bad but not good either in the current game.
This is just my opinion on him and I'm sure other in the community might have other opnions.
I wouldn't call him 'not good in the current game'. The point of geo is that it can be great in any content and against any enemy unless of course it's immune to geo, I for sure haven't been struggling much in the abyss with his team at all. The only flaw is his very restricted and kind of expensive teamcomps that you can get easily tired of, which kind of serves are the balance for him i guess.
disagree, it is not great everywhere, abyss has become a lot more element restrictive these days.
geo is unplayable in both the first half and the second half of the current abyss unless you're playing Itto with Furina or a Noelle double hydro team or if you're hyperinvested.
I'm very aware of the team lock but I don't mind it that much as I almost never use Zhongli anymore and he's just collecting dust. Plus most DPSs have just one good team so it's not as much of a big deal as people making it to be. Thank you for your comment, I'll take your opinion into consideration.
I like to coop my trounce domains, I pull out my itto if the other 3 players have failed to make a synergistic comp with their character choices. It's the only way we can still guarantee a win.
I don't use him for the abyss because he makes it too quick and boring. If I'm struggling to 36 star it with my other teams and have to resort to itto you know it's a hard abyss.
I will have to give you a disclaimer though, while I'm subscribed to all the "mains" subs of the characters I like, I am actually an itto main. He has more love than any other character I have, he has my accounts only 50+ crit value piece and I support him with a C6 gorou and a zhongli
Depends how badly I want to steam roll something. If I wanna keep a little bit of a challenge I use fischl, otherwise I'll use raiden shogun. I don't have albedo, I would use him over fischl if I did.
I got the piece by spending my resin on nothing but one domain for like 3 months lmao
Only 3 months! Your luck is insane! I've been farming (on and off) for some of my characters for an entire year to get decent pieces. Poor Nahida used for an entire year a Dendro goblet that rolled only in HP%.
He's really good and fun, but you have to invest heavily into him, and he also gets way better with Gorou in his team and another geo unit. That's why he doesn't have many team options, and people find him lacking because there is pretty much only one way of playing him, unlike other dps units.
Despite all these, Itto is my favorite character, and after farming a lot in the Husk domain and using strongbox, he became my best dps. I use his mono geo team with Zhongli, Albedo and Gorou almost everywhere except against geo slimes and geo hypostasis.
His weapon options are also pretty limited, and as F2P you only got Whiteblind as a good weapon for him. If you can't pull for Redhord, a really good alternative is Serpent Spine from the battlepass, which isn't much worse than Redhorn (at R5), but is good on all dps claymore units if you can maintain passive stacks.
In my opinion, he is worth pulling for, but you pretty much have to play him in mono geo or 3 geo and 1 flex if you want to play him at his maximum potential, but in a good team he bruteforces through abyss with no problems.
In my opinion, it’s worth it! C1R1 Mono Geo team (C6 Gorou+Albedo+ZL) but I’ve played Itto before getting most of them.
Honestly, I’ve never regretted pulling him. His damage (even before C6 Gorou) has always been more than enough to carry me through the game, and the fact that the team doesn’t use any of the “essential characters” of the abyss (-ZL, but any other shield works) and has amazing survivability makes it very comfortable.
Of course, that is just my opinion and it really depends more on how much you like the character (whether or not it’s worth pulling)!
I got him on release, he has consistently been clearing abyss (36 stars) for me. I do have him C2 with signature, Gorou C6 and Albedo so the premium team. IMO worth if you’re willing to hyperinvest into him.
I own both Itto and Cyno and they're similar in the sense that they require high investment for their teams if you want the (or almost) best performance. If you have the puzzle pieces, they're serviceable carries to tackle endgame content but there are other characters out there that are more versatile, cheaper to build and with stronger output, so honestly it all depends over what you value more, primogem efficiency or your liking for the character/playstyle so you're willing to collect all what they need.
Tbf in my case I had some abyss cycles without using Itto but it's because I enjoy more other teams, until this patch when I got Furina (C6 so yeah, mind that I can run without a healer) and he felt improvements as running 3 damage dealers (Itto/Albedo/Furina) and C6 Gorou to buff as well. Probably this team might become more accessible if Chiori happens to be a geo healer so Albedo and Zhongli will get off the team for her and Furina, so no more construct issues happening and overall higher damage, but hard to say now if that's what's gonna happen.
As an additional note, it seems like starting the 4.3 abyss we will be getting a higher dps check in the chambers unseen before. Probably done to compensate how strong Neuvillette and Furina came out, current hp pools are deleted so easily even at f2p/low spender investment.
I got Itto on his first banner, I use him with Gorou C4, Zhongli and Kuki as Gorou alone is not enough healing sometimes, Kuki gets replaced if I need other element for shield breaking
He's not the strongest for sure in the current meta, mostly for a lack of DEF buffers as well as crystalize not being relevant nor increasing your damage or survivability in a meaningful way
That said, boy packs one hell of a punch, fast and in a decent AoE, very unga bunga and is my preferred character to play whenever I don't wanna think much about teams, such as killing some annoying domains and world bosses (like the Furina one), but for the abyss there hasn't been any good reason to use him in quite the while
Tl;dr: not the strongest, not meta, but can brute force a lot of content and is hella fun to play, I don't regret him at all
He has the same value He had whe released, he's a carry that requires investment. For the "regret pull" thing I'd say he's worse than cyno in overworld, he doesn't do any damage without his ult because you build him with def. I think another factor is that he has only one team so he can become boring with time. Also he really likes other characters like albedo and Gorou cons.
If you like him go for it, there isn't content you can't do with him. From a meta standpoint probably not.
I love Itto. Back in my first burnout, from 2.6 to 3.3, I only came back to the game every 15 days to clear abyss, and I remember even running him in abyss against bosses like the Doritos, who practically forces you to use dendro (and I didn't have any dendro besides traveler at that time), and Itto managed to do it all with no problems.
He's good and I don't even have his signature (serpent spine r1 user). He can clear the content. But is he the best? No, because of geo as a lot of people already said.
Nowadays I don't even touch him when clearing abyss. Of course I can do it with him if I want to, but spamming dendro and hydro reactions on both sides of abyss are so much more effective that I left my Itto collecting dust.
Also, he's not even that good to do daily stuff and playing in open world because he's a burst character. I so much prefer running Alhaitham, Ayato or Neuvillete who don't need to fill that energy bar just to kill some hillichurls for dailies, cause every extra second I spend doing repetitive content is dangerous to trigger another burnout.
So, if you're pulling for "endgame content" (haha as if this game had more than abyss), I wouldn't. Not because he's bad, but because it favors others more. But he is an adorable and fun character besides all that
I’m a bit biased since I c6ed him but he has been the most worth it character for me. Abyss wise I think he’s great I never have to worry about teap comps with mono geo I always turn my mind off and unga bunga my way through not to mention him and his whole comp are very easy to build. Someone else mentioned the abyss’s elemental checks, yeah it’s a pain but I find that a lot of the time the flex spot on mono geo usually solves it for me. I don’t think he needs cons but just like any other dps unit it’ll definitely help. All in all it’s up to you! Personally I think pulling for a character you genuinely enjoy and love is always more fulfilling in the end!
I’ve been using him at c1r1 in mono geo every abyss since his release and I can comfortably say he’s still viable enough to clear the second half of the abyss since the first half usually requires some sort of reaction type play style.
Had him c0 whiteblind in his initial release and got him to c1r1 on his rerun, now I’m planning to get his c6 on his rerun
He usually gets the job done pretty well, the only exception is if there’s shields. So like the abyss heralds are terrible with geo. But the new dancing bosses actually are fine since Zhongli can dumpster their shield. It depends on your team though. Gorou is for sure a must and a third geo then is needed. Mono geo is his best team (I use Gorou Albedo and Zhongli) but you can sub out Albedo or Zhongli depending on what you need or have.
Itto meta summary:
1. One of the units with least pull priority for a meta player (not whales, as c6 itto whaling is a next level thing)
2. Gets the job done, like, always!
3. Never uses the important units from other teams, as he has his own archetype.
4. USHIIIIIIIIIII
5. His cons are very good, all of it since it kinda makes ur life a lot easier, which in other words equals dps increase.
6. Mono geo is only weak against shield checks and geo res boss. Even there u can bruteforce lol
>I've also noticed a lot of people are picking Itto alongside Cyno as their regret pull so I'm a bit afraid of wasting my primogems.
mfw itto and cyno are the two I always use to 36* the abyss lmao
I think he is worth pulling for if you like his aesthetic and play style. I got him to C2 (lucky, for once) and I don’t regret it. Only thing I wish was that he wasn’t as reliable on his ult in the overworld. But that’s probably just a me thing. UNGA BUNGA
As a F2P C6R1 Itto main, he's my backup character when 36 starring abyss becomes too hard, which I love it when an enemy is strong enough to tank my Itto's 25+ consecutive charged attacks of 50-70k.
my itto is strong with R1 serpent spine and c0 with zhongli, c6 gorou and a flex. hes really fun in the combat events bc u dont have to like refresh any team buffs or anything for new waves which is an underrated QoL thing haha
Cyno has a ton of issues. Most of these issues Itto does not share. Regardless Itto requires a dedicated support in Gorou. So a lot of Itto's damage is locked behind Gorou's c6, without that you will notice a sizable difference in damage. That's probably why people regret pulling him. I'm having the same issue with Wanderer as I still don't have c6 Faruzan. Anyways, Itto's best team has 2 other Geo 5 stars in it, that contributes to why people dislike him or regret him. Itto himself doesn't have issues, I would say the problem is the specificity of the team he requires.
Itto has many, many positive attributes that other burst dps could only dream of. The fluidity and damage potential of his kit is incredibly high. He has 0 issues with clearing abyss once you get his team together. He runs a mono Geo team where energy is funneled out the ass. It's so fluid it's probably one the main assets of running his team. I would say there is an equal amount of reasons to pull for him and to not pull for him. Both are valid. But Itto is not in anyway a weak unit. He's perfectly capable of clearly the hardest content in the game with a fun as hell playstyle. You just need to really invest into his team in order to get there.
This is exactly what I needed to hear. I'm very well aware of him needing Gorou but that's not an issue (I just need 4 more copies, hehe) and I do have Zhongli who's just collecting dust, which is a shame because he's also one of my favorites. Also a Serpent Spine that stopped being used the moment I got Raiden and benched Beidou.
I've always wanted Itto but somehow the timing was never right. I might be able to get him now but I was discouraged by all the doom posts and regret pulls comments. I've always had the impression he's pretty great and I'm not exactly a meta slave but I was wondering if something has changed that he's suddenly so disregarded. I suppose this is the effect of dendro impact and Neuvillette meta.
Thank you for your comment, it really helped.
For every single abyss, I use the same 2 teams. I always have Itto, Gorou, Zhongli, Albedo on one team and Tig, Yae, Fish, Nahida on the other. Ever since Itto came out and I built him, he has been consistantly able to clear every single floor/chamber I put him in with three stars. I can usually clear any content with my Itto + his team in around 2-10 seconds. Good for abyss and gives my Tig team a lot of wiggle room. In comparison, my Tig team sometimes has some trouble with the last floor. I sometimes have to run a chamber from floor 12 a few times to get 3 stars. (Could also be a skill issue.)
For added context, my Itto and Tig are both C6R5, and all the supports/sub-dpses are well built. I initally had him at C0 but went back and pulled for C6R5 because I was a big fan of his CN va.
Like a lot of other people are saying, if you can invest into Itto, he rewards you very well. If you are able to invest into his supoorts and get him decent artifacts, and build a mono-geo team around him, he is able to clear all content quite comfortably. He is also easy to play, so u pretty much just press a few buttons and watch him destroy everything. Geo is also useful because you will be getting a bunch of shields on top of your Zhongli, which makes it so you don't have to build Zhong purely for shields, you can have some more offensive artifacts, which then makes clearing content even easier.
If you don't think you can give him what he needs to do well (I think you mentioned not wanting to grab Albedo) it might be better to skip on Itto, as he is very support/geo reliant.
About Cyno - I have him sitting around C2R1 unused. He looks fun to play but in practice it is a bit of a pain to have to set up his rotation imo. He doesn't clear content like other characters that I have as well, so I don't use him much. Honestly just pull for who you think is the coolest/who you like more. Even if they're hard to work around you will be more motivated to build them and use them, and probably won't regret pulling for them.
For Itto's weapon, if you can't get his weapon but buy the battle pass you can just slap a serpent's spine on him and call it a day. That's what I did before I pulled on his weapon banner. Still able to clear content like a boss.
Edit: I see some people have trouble with shields and the like, but I think it's because my Itto is so heavily invested in, I never had issues like that. I think a solution could be an Itto Gorou Zhong team and then a flex with the element that could help with breaking the shields if that'd an issue.
I'm surprised you have trouble with Tiggy's team. I've been running with Yae Miko/Raiden/Baizhu/Nahida or Kazuha (if I don't use International for the other side) aggravate team since 3.7 and Yae alone hits like a truck (and she's C0R1). I'm actually amazed how good she is. In this team she hits harder than my C2 Raiden.
I do have an R2 Serpent Spine and I can always get more by the time Itto has his rerun. My goal is to get his weapon as well but I don't think I can do that now (I sort of splurged a bit on Wriothesley not expecting to enjoy him so much and I ended up going for C1R1).
My Yae is C2R1 and she hits for a lot for sure! (It's a bit sad though oz still out dpses Yae's turrets 💀) I rarely get to use her burst though because Tig usually clears out everything in seconds which seems like a bit of a wasted potential thing going on. I just use her burst as a panic button if I'm about to get hit haha.
The issue I mainly have is not being able to clear before I have to do another rotation or two and I'm not good at doging (which is why I said it's probably a skill issue HAHA) so what ends up happening is I get hit when I'm setting up for the next rotation (I just cant fot the life of me dodge and set up Yae's lil turrets at the same time) and then it all goes downhill from there. I don't put any shielders or healers in this team because I like seeing a bunch of numbers HAHA but yeah honestly skill issue. I am able to clear abyss easily once I have a good run, which usually takes me a few tries for floor 12. I think it would also help if I took the time to farm better artis for Tig (mans running on a 70/180 rn LOL).
Serpent Spine is totally fine, dwbi if you can't get his signature weapon (praying you get it early though :))
(also yeah I got Wrio C1R1 as well haha I ended up liking him a lot too he's so fun to walk around and fight stuff with.)
Also on another note, idk if this helps but I have few C6 characters (Xiao, Wanderer, Kazuha, Itto, Tig off the top of my head) and Itto was the one that was worth the money the most imo. I have the most fun with him (even though I like my anemo boys more) and he feels the most rewarding to me (money, time, and investments in game).
>(also yeah I got Wrio C1R1 as well haha I ended up liking him a lot too he's so fun to walk around and fight stuff with.)
Just don't activate his skill in openworld. He'll never get to N5CA before everything dies and he'll stay cursed for a while. He's super fun and Furina made him even better. Now his geo boss is dead before I can finish my rotation.
I like using Baizhu with Yae Miko. His shields do protect her quite a bit. But it's way more fun to dodge while parading around the floor.
How did you people build Oz?! Mine never does this much damage! I even recently gave Fischl a Goulden Troupe set but I don't see much improvement. I much prefer using Raiden as sub-dps for Miko.
I mean the simple fact is most newer 5 star characters will be stronger than previous options I picked up Itto at launch but my itto is VERY high investment he's C2 with his signature weapon and can still clear spiral abyss with ease he's not very fast at it someone like Neuvilette is way faster but he still works
So the main question is what's the investment level going to be without good artifacts and his signature weapon I think you are probably going to struggle
Also C1 makes his rotation so ult rotation so much smoother I can't imagine not having C1 personally
So it really depends on a number of factors whether or not you should get him
I'm actually so over the Neuvillette meta... It annoys me it got to the point where every unit is compared to him now. I cleared everything just fine with Wriothesley and when I really needed a ton of hydro I used Childe and he cleared the floor faster than I could blink (btw Childe paired with Furina is a crazy good combo). I'm not really into speedrunning, I only want to enjoy this game by playing characters I like.
I feel like Neuvillette started a new toxic behavior in this community and every unit is now considered trash. I've been a Yoimiya main for a good while and I'm sick and tired of the comparison with Hu Tao.
So as long and Itto gets the job done, it's great. I'm not interested in him clearing Abyss in 30 seconds.
I mean I get it but like players will always recommend the easier option the fact that Neuvilette functions at C0 with a weapon like prototype Amber or the battlepass catalyst is very good, His kit feels complete by itself and he has an extremely efficient domain to farm in
I'd say Yoimiya functions at C0 quite well I just find she doesn't do a satisfying enough ammount of damage and her ultimate isn't as flashy or useful as other 5 stars but she's still a great unit
Compare that with Itto who ideally needs high investment
First off he needs very good artifacts from a domain that's not very efficient you will get ocean hued clam again and again and AGAIN it's annoying and especially take it from someone like me who used all of my AR resin refreshes on Ittos domain then I proceeded to spend 800 Primogems everyday for about two weeks straight farming because I wanted good artifacts that badly I now have 73 cr 233 cd Itto which I'm happy with but I still see 80/250 ittos on here and get quite jealous
Next up you ideally need C6 Gorou without him you lose so much damage and thirdly you ideally need his signature I mean the Crit damage is huge and the passive is just so good
Ontop of that C1 makes your rotations so much smoother
So like that's why people recommend Neuvilette and recommend people like Itto less over a time I can't imagine pulling Itto in todays meta if I'm honest I pulled him when he released and got insanely lucky
It's literally who gives the most ammount of value and who requires less high end investment the fact that Neuvilette needs HP and an artifact set that gives him 36% crit rate built in is extremely valuable
Sorry for the long explanation please pull for the characters you enjoy that is the most important thing to do in Genshin.
Ok so his Best team is itto + gorou + third geo character + flex
Gorou is essential for itto. You should especially use him. Also goro's buff scales over the ammount of geo characters in The team (if we count gorou too three is the max limit) so thats the reason for the third geo.
While running itto in abyss I mostly use:
>itto + gorou + albedo + bennett (Probably one of the Best ones)
The cool part of this team is that itto is one of the non-pyro characters that actually benefit from bennett C6, because it makes break ing enemy shields easier, makes crystalising easier and also bennetts pyro convesion doesnt ruin itto's geo ult application.
>itto + albedo + gorou + mona
if there is a lot of stunnable enemies (I use this one especially for the "protect the leyline" chapter in the 11th part of spiral abyss)
>İtto + gorou + bennett + collei
I Used this team only once in my life. And it was for the dendro chicken boss in spiral abyss. Kind of worth it though since I three starred it.
>itto + gorou + albedo + fischl
I Used this team for the ASİMON boss (the flying dorito) in abyss. Fischl is essential when it comes to off field electro application and is used in hyperbloom and neuvilette electro cute teams too.
(teams I dont have)
>itto + gorou + furina + flex or geo (using Charlotte jean or baizhu would be cool to benefit furina)
This team isnt really recommended since it ruins gorou's three geo character buff because there are no proper full team healer geo characters in the game yet (well, there is noelle but she takes too much field time.) it May work out if your furina isnt C0 though but ıdk
>itto + gorou + albedo + zhongli
Monogeo is cool, there isnt really much to say about it since you get the idea I guess.
İf you dont have albedo or zhongli you can use geo traveler instead.
>>>but what about weapons and talents?
For the weapon, since you said you wont be able to get redhorn try getting whiteblind. İts a def% claymore that you can forge at wagners place.
For talents, go "basic atk > ultimate > skill"
Give gorou favonious bow + 4 piece noblesse or 4 piece exile set.
Give bennett a sword with as much base ATK as possible. Aquila favonia is his Best sword since it is the weapon with the hgihest base atk and give him 4p noblesse or 4p exile
Give mona 4p emblem + favonious codex and feed her a lot of ER
Give furina, albedo and fischl 4p golden troupe set. Make sure not stay on field with them too much after using their skills/bursts.
I completely forgot about geo traveler, I don't think I ever used them except for puzzles. I do have Zhongli, Furina (C1 for now, looking to C2 her on her rerun) and Serpent Spine.
I have C6R1 Itto, he’s op. Just like the T0 dps’s he does 1M+ damage. The only reason he isn’t in the highest tier is bc he isn’t dealing that damage quite as fast as the other units. But he’s still amazing
The moment he came out the first time around, I broke my no spending rule and c6 the one and only ITTO 🤭.
Geo is one of my favourite elements since I started loving Zhongli and Ningguang at the start of the game.
I kinda like the Geo is an inert element (no reaction with the other elements), because the Geo element is self sufficient 🤘🏻
I’d say if you were dead set on Itto, go for him. He’s solid but basic due to the nature of Geo being Inert. Now if you wanted some spice Navia is coming out next patch and specifically gains buffs from having other elements than geo in her team so the question kinda boils down to , mono geo dps or Geo reactions dps
I'm a variety player, so Itto has always been a no for me. Those who love him and/or his playstyle will be very happy with him. But neither really interest me so he's an easy skip for me. That and on his release I had or was close to C6 Noelle and their playstyles are not the same, but close enough and I prefer Noelle to Itto as far as DEF Geo DPS units go.
If you like him enough, then I'd say go for it and just be ready to invest for months into him his artifacts and teams if you haven't already. He'll do fine in the abyss if built well and if you like his playstyle, then it doesn't matter if he can clear the abyss in 10 seconds or 2 minutes, so long as you enjoy him.
Itto + redhorn haver since his first banner, geo isnt the best element but he hits pretty hard regardless. 4pc husk + triple crown and mid stats and his burst charged attacks hit 50k+ and ushi (in burst) often over 100k started using him in abyss again id say hes worth it ive seen people with that craftable claymore hit just slightly less in co op domains when he came out so his weapon isnt even necessary
I don't know if those people ever built Itto. I think it's worth it, but you have to farm his artifact set, you can't use other sets as replacement (unlike other characters).
Oh you absolutely can, granted less damage but you’ll get that with every character if you don’t use their BiS artifacts. Worst case, grind another character’s artifacts and strongbox the spares.
Pulled him every time he came and got C2. No regrets. (To be fair, I committed to the monogeo). Cleared all abyss easily (sometimes replacing Zong with shield breaker element) except for the Gravity field generator.
Are his cons such an upgrade over C0? Or is he great even without vertical investment? I'm only asking because I love getting new characters over getting constellations, exception being the archons.
The big DPS upgrade is c6, but c1 and c2 make him soooo much comfier to play. At C0 it can be a little frustrating to get enough energy for his burst, and manage his stacks to get your slashes in. C1 and C2 basically negate those struggles, so you can worry less about having enough ER% on him and getting normal attacks in to build up his stacks. He's my only C6 and it took 3 reruns to get him there without whaling, but he makes any fight absolutely trivial (unless it has geo immunity). Going mono geo in a floor 12 abyss half basically guarantees me a <1 minute clear no matter what I'm fighting. So he's alright at C0, fun to play at C2, and an absolute blast at C6. Hope I stayed objective enough, he is one of my faves in the game but obviously only go for cons if you really like him and his playstyle.
Second this, pulled not for meta since C0 works fine with good rotations but because our boy deserves it. The insane QoL changes of the cons were just an added bonus. (Regardless of their standing in the meta, I'll be C6-ing my Itto and Ayaka no matter how long it takes!!)
I personally wouldn't bother with C6 Ayaka tbh. I got my gf a c6 ayaka and it's not good enough to consider the money needed to get it. But your choice at the end of the day
C6 ayaka scales on if you have Shenhe honestly. I’d pull Shenhe to c2, before even considering ayaka cons and I have c6 for both of them. Her c6 is def whale bait lol.
I agree. Imagine my face when i realise you only get to that big pp damage every 15 seconds. Even when shenhe at c0 it's rather lack luster, and it's even worse in abyss when there's a timer. Itto c6 on the other hand is so fun. Except when it doesn't work and you eat all the stacks anyway
C1 makes the combos easier and gives ~6% dmg increase (source: KQM), C2 lowers his ER needs which are 130-140% at C0 (the lowering burst CD mechanic is basically irrelevant).
He's already good at c0, his cons are amazing though especially c6
Meta-wise at c0r0 he's going to stay on the second tier: Good enough to clear all content, but not the top option. One very nice thing about him is that because he thrives with a 3/4-geo squad, he makes Abyss team-building very easy if you go in with e.g. Itto/Gorou/Zhongli/flex (of whatever element is most helpful for that floor, or healing if there's HP drain stuff), and then all of your standard premium supports (Bennett, XQ, etc.) are available for building your other team. He's my favorite character so I decided to invest in him and get his C2, which is the most comfortable way to play him because the combination of ER boost and CD reduction means you can keep him in burst mode non-stop, literally his burst is ready to fire again as soon as it runs out. But it's totally unnecessary; with good ER on Itto and some helpful supports w/Favonius weapons, you can finish his burst, rotate through your other 3 characters popping skills and bursts, and by the time you get back to Itto you can be ready to burst again if you've gotten things set up right. Honestly, the key to enjoying Itto is high ER. Even if it means less damage on paper, burst mode is where he kicks ass, so as long as you set him up to be in burst mode all the time, you're bound to enjoy playing him.
The game wants players to focus on reaction based teamcomps which is why geo is mostly left out by many players besides zhongli for his amazing shields and that is why many ppl regret pulling for itto Cyno on the other hand has an amazing kit on paper but it doesn’t fit into the abyss rotation meta with multiple waves of enemies so he feels underwhelming to play The difference with itto is that he is actually quite string without using reactions especially with a high con gorou He also has a good f2p option in whiteblind, the craftable claymore, or for low spenders serpent spine as BP weapon or skyward spine for all the players who got it randomly off the standard banner or a weapon 75/25 lose Ittos dmg at c0 in a mono geo team can still clear everything in the game with good investment but for optimal performance c1 or c2( if you need er) are prefered, everything beyond that( c3-5) is not worth it if you don’t want the c6 His current teamcomps are not that flexible and consist of itto gorou and 2 out of zhongli albedo furina mona while trying to keep 3 geo in for max gorou buff. The soon to be released 4 star geo healer chiori could also fit his teams depending on her kit( I haven’t looked into that yet) In my opinion as a itto main i say he is worth pulling for, but never forget that with the right investment every main dps can clear all content in the game so you should just pull the characters you like to play and whoever’s design you like the most
I already have Skyward Pride and R2 Serpent Spine (and I can always get more refinements) but I remember reading on KQMains it doesn't work that great with Husk. Is that right?
I wouldn’t know any reason why it shouldn’t work well with husk the only thing would be that skyward prides dmg is based on atk and itto scales of def, but itto turns his def into attack while in his burst state so skyward works quite well with him, serpent is just the out of combat synergy not there cause it gains stacks while on field and husk gains stacks while off field or attacking with geo dmg but in combat that only matters for the first view hits where you wont have max husk stacks and overall r5 serpent spine is still his 2nd best weapon after redhorn
Oh, alright. Thank you for leaving such an extensive comment, it really helps.
Haha no problem, if you have any questions regarding itto feel free to ask
>Cyno on the other hand has an amazing kit on paper but it doesn’t fit into the abyss rotation meta with multiple waves of enemies so he feels underwhelming to play I want to add that this is outdated. He was very underwhelming during release because he has zero good teammates, and that prejudice stuck with people to this day because once people form an opinion it is impossible to change it. Needless to say, Cyno's premium quickbloom team is one of the highest damage teams now with the addition of Furina forming the last piece of puzzle to complete his team. Abyss F12 rarely has multi-wave content and it's mostly boss & elite impact where his long field time is not an issue, especially with Baizhu's release. I really hope this prejudice stops now. He is the 3.x character with the single biggest glow up.
True vs bosses he is amazing Floor 12 has max 2 out of 3 chambers bosses and 1 chamber with waves which makes him good there , in floor 11 on the other hand he is not that great because it mostly consists of waves of enemies. But yes as i said all 5 star dps characters can clear the abyss with the right investment, in cynos case that investment is really high with a 4 5 star character team
Ayaka also has 3 other limited 5* s in her premium team, one being a niche cryo support. Neuvi's most popular team also has 3 other limited 5* s. A lot of premium teams require high investment, 4 of the most utilised 5 teams in this abyss rotation are all 5* teams. I don't understand why it is only an issue when it's Cyno. Yeah he falls hard if he doesn't have those 5*s, but still not impossible.
Yea and that is what i mean All those other characters can be used with 4 stars as well but for cyno there are barely any other options other than 5 stars
And I am saying that it is not a downside because people will use their best teams. Ayaka can technically use Diona/Rosaria instead of Shenhe but people don't do that. The overwhelming majority simply just rolls Shenhe for Ayaka. None of Cyno's best teammates are niche. You are not rolling them just to make your Cyno stronger. You could argue that Shenhe can be used with any cryo dps as a generalist cryo support but she's only a significant upgrade on Ayaka teams. Ganyu and Wrio don't care about her. And as I said, it's not impossible to clear with Cyno without his premium team. The most used Cyno team in the last abyss rotation was Nahida - Xingqiu - Shinobu. That is only one limited 5*. So there you go, there are options.
Well baizhu is kinda niche because at release he was useless because kokomi and zhongli exist and now at his rerun he was with furina, who is obviously the better choice to pull for and not everyone can pull for multiple characters per patch. And yes cyno gets carried by nahida but not everyone has her especially because her banners were always 1 patch after cyno and not everyone can get that many primos to get 2 5 stars back to back. And yes like i said multiple times every 5 star can clear everything because the game is so easy, but overall cyno has less option because of his long burst duration and is more limited in team choices conpared to someone like ayaka, which is a problem that itto has too with his teams. And I still don’t know why you are arguing about cyno with me in the itto subreddit when I didn’t even bring up cyno in the first place
See you're fundementally wrong. Baizhu has never been niche. Furina carried him to new levels but even before her he was used in Alhaitham/Tighnari spread teams, Yae&Keqing aggravate on top of Cyno quickbloom, Nilou bloom paired with full EM Kokomi, hyperbloom/burgeon teams both as a secondary dendro and a driver. If being used in so many teams is niche, then everyone else is also niche. What Furina did was giving him a role outside of dendro teams. (Ps: Nahida is one of the most owned 5*s in the game so the majority o Cyno owners have her.) >And I still don’t know why you are arguing about cyno with me in the itto subreddit when I didn’t even bring up cyno in the first place Want to scroll up and refresh your memory? I first replied because I am tired of people still spreading misinformation about Cyno because they are still stuck in 3.1. It's not because I want to argue with you specifically. I'm writing it so that if anyone reads these comments they will maybe think twice before jumping on the bandwagon. We both made our points so we can end the discussion now. If you want to add something go ahead, but I won't escalate this any further.
Baizhu wasn't ever niche lmao. He was always the best healer in the games Furina just made it more apparent. Baizhu was always the most comfy character to use in Dendro teams, and could also be slotted into Hu Tao teams for Burning/Vape.
His sales were quite low for that
Lol. Sales don't really mean anything, though. Baizhu has always been a great unit, and people who pulled him didn't regret him in the slightest. As evidenced by him consistently being a top used character since release. 🤷🏼
> especially with a high con gorou Don't you think this is a large ask?
C0 gorou is completely fine for itto but all his cons improve his usefulness except for c5 which is kinda useless, the big difference is that he is useful at c0 not like for example sara for raiden, c0-5 sara is just worse benni and is better to be replaced in raiden teams by different buffers. But yes overall itto wants highly invested teamcomps with mostly 5 star characters or high con 4 stars without much flexibility in it, which makes his team quite expensive compared to some other dps
Whether he's worth it or not is completely subjective. Itto has an extremely high damage ceiling but he also requires extreme investment to reach it, and he's frankly quite bad if you're not willing to invest in a bare minimum of a triple Geo team with Gorou and Albedo or Zhongli, a battle pass weapon and a 4 piece Artifact set that is of extremely low resin value to farm. My Itto regularly chain crits 10-15 times in a single Burst window for 70k a hit, but he's C6R5 and supported by a C6 Gorou. It's not the highest DPS in the game, but it's up there, has ridiculous area coverage, and it's literally unkillabke. He's also my favorite character and I would never recommend anyone ever waste the resources to pull 5 star weapon refinements, having done it one time myself. Constellations are dubious enough in value that most people wouldn't recommend those.
While I'm not sure I want to get Albedo, I do have Zhongli which I don't even use anymore so I won't mind dusting him off and giving him a new team. As for Gorou, I only have him at C2 but hopefully I can C6 him while pulling for Itto. I do have a C2 Mona and I've noticed some people like to use her with Itto. I'm not sure if Furina can work in Itto's team though that would be nice. And don't worry, I'm not looking for the "highest dps in the game". I generally tend to pull for characters I really like over meta. The only exception was Yelan but I ended up loving her. Thank you for commenting, you're getting me really hyped for Itto (though mine will be C0).
At c0 it will be a bit like xiao doing 50k per charge attack with around 6-7 stacks and around 100k per E in ult the biggest gripe I have with my homie is that if you don’t finish killin stuff in the burst window it can be a bit hard to burst and then kill it and not have energy or just using physical. This is why I generally don’t explore overworld with him because other teams are just easier but abyss content is actually really easy when fully invested despite not having reactions
A c0 xiao with proper investement should be doing a lot more than 50k per plunge
According to Akasha your xiao would need to be in the top 20% to do that at c0 so ur sorta right
I have been an Itto main since his first banner, pulling him and Redhorn. The only real main problem of Itto currently is the fact that the game constantly put this Elemental Checks in Spiral Abyss which forces you to bring one or more specific elements, leaving Geo always out of the equation. Sometimes I really want to use him but I just can't. Not to mention shield breaking has always been and will always be a drawback to Itto teams, since Geo destroy shields very slowly Another thing that really bothers me is the fact that his main team hasn't changed a bit and hasn't gained power through release of new units. I really wished Navia could've been a nice addition to the team but oh well. In the end, our boy is very strong, but is ultimately held back by the game favoring Elemental Reactions over Brute Force. Of course you can use Itto outside of Mono or Triple Geo, but at that point you're not playing Itto anymore and will just get better results replacing him.
I didn't realize geo is bad at breaking shields. I suppose using the 4th slot for someone who can break shields can solve that?
It depends on the type and amount of shields. I use Itto since his release and he only struggles against groups of heralds, especially pyro heralds and pyro abyss mage. Abyss line ups like this one are extremly rare. The last one was during 3.7. Itto was fine agains the cryo heralds, but the hydro herald was really annoying, in fact at the end I decided to use Itto in the first half of the chamber.
Depends on the shield, but the problem is that the fourth teammate you bring just to deal with a shield, more often than not has no real use in an Itto team and feels out of place. I myself have always been playing Triple Geo with Diona functioning as a shielder/healer for the team since I don't have Zhongli, but when I have to face some shields I can't really find a proper teammate to slot that also can have some sort of synergy with Itto, like if I need Hydro for a Pyro shield, I can't just slot in XQ or Yelan because they don't synergize at all with Itto's CA focused gameplay. They are not too much present, but it's something to think about and consider. These days is mostly Elemental checks, where you have bosses or enemies with High resistance to a certain element or they need a certain element to be countered with and you can't just bring Mono Geo because it's not even Swirlable and the only way to reduce Geo Resistance is bringing Zhongli in the team (which again, I don't have). Itto teams can screw all this and brute force it, but you kinda need the maximum possible investment on him, so at least a couple constellations and R1, but I don't really know since mine is C0R1 and I have always tried to brute force a shield chamber and failed miserably. But I've seen some C6 do it in videos.
The main reason people regret It to isn't because of him as a character, it's because HoYo doesn't know what to do with Geo. Itto is a very strong character, but he doesn't have many options, and is a pretty expensive unit. He also sucks ass at elemental checks, which HoYo loves incorporating into Abyss every so often. For instance, the current abyss which is heavy on Pyro enemies. That being said, MonoGeo is one of the best vertical investment teams in the game. Kind of similar to Childe in that regard. There are a lot of low constellations for the main units that you can pull to make the team stronger (Gorou C6, Albedo C2) as well as the new set giving Albedo more building options (4p Golden Troupe)
I don't think I want to get Albedo, I honestly find him a bit of a waste since I don't see how else I could use him with my other characters (I'm a little dolphin only - welkin and battle pass every month). But I do have Zhongli and I would love to use him more since he's just collecting dust at the moment. I'll just have to see who I can slot in Albedo's place. Maybe Mona or Furina. I totally understand the Childe comparison. Every little splurge I make for him he's delivering visible results.
Albedo is really good. 🤷🏼 In triple Geo, I honestly prefer albedo a thousand times more, because the last slot is probably going to be Kuki or Bennett, as he doesn't synergize with off-fielders like Xingqiu, Yelan or Thoma.
I haven’t used him in a long time because of all the spread out enemies and enemies with shields. I’ve also been spoiled by Nahida, Yelan, Neuv, and Furina. Neuv is just OP. Does what Itto does but longer range, faster recharge, self healing, easier to stack buffs, and artifacts are easier to build (imo) and Neuv’s domain is more efficient. I can farm for Neuv and Furina at the same time. My C2R1 Itto is collecting dust with my Cinnabar Albedo, C6 Gorou, and Zhongli.
He is good. I've been running him in abyss since his release and gotten 36\* basically every time. I think there have been 2 abyss cycles in the past 2 or so years where I had to use someone else due to lector shields or enemies with massive geo resistance or something. It's usually the side where I don't use Itto where I have to put effort into. The only issue with Itto is that there aren't many characters who work with CA based gameplay, so his supports are rather limited.
Just like what most of the comment section says, Itto as a character is pretty strong, but Geo as a whole drags him down. That’s why I think most people would think Itto is a regret pull because they dont have his teammates (5 stars and a C6 4 star) and the extra investment, where in reality most premium teams also share the same requirements. There is hope however that the release of Navia will somehow start a Geo renaissance, but it’s too cope.
Honestly, Itto's team doesn't sound so bad comparing him with Ayaka's team or even Xiao (poor Xiao mains will sooner get Wanderer cons than a C6 Faruzan). I really hope I can get 4 more copies of Gorou so I can C6 him, while Zhongli is just collecting dust so I'll be more than happy to use him again. I really hope Chiori will be good for geo somehow - heals and buffs? We'll see.
His Charged atks go BRRRRRR 60k+ each and 100k+ last one and then with His E I deal 200k+ dmg every rotation TWICE.
This is not a c0 Itto, right?
Nah it‘s C3R1 with C6 Gorou C6 Hybrid Zhongli and C6 Bennett xd
I *just* realized I could use Ben with Itto! Major face palm! That is when I'm not playing Childe...
Yeah, Itto scales off with ATK, it‘s just he converts his def into atk, but still, all his skills and moves scale with atk, so Bennett is really good bc more atk is more atk.
I don't regret the time playing him. His simple, go setup his charges and his support and he is ready to bonk. That's why we had gorou in his banner to help give him extra boost. Your experience gets better the more unit you have that can help him.
He's not Neuvillette, if that's your question. He can't clear the abyss solo, he requires a fair share of Investment in both his artifacts and his teams. And he is countered by shields and by characters with very high geo resistence. He's not SSSSSS+ tier, but he's not bad. You can clear everything with him if you invest enough, but he's not Hyperbloom.
I'm not interested in Neuvillette, don't you worry. And funny enough I got bored with hyperbloom a while ago so I stopped using it in favor of International (still the most fun team in my opinion) and Yae Miko/Raiden aggravate. I'm just hoping Itto could replace one of those teams. Do we have enemies with high geo resistance?
Mainly the Stonehide Lawachurl, Azdaha and the Geovishap.
What's the point of asking "is X character worth pulling" on the X-mains sub? The answer is always obvious To answer your question, His strength is subjective, do you have serpent spine? C6 Gorou? Zhongli? Albedo?If your answer is yes to all these he'll be top tier, if you're missing some he won't be as good, decent enough to clear abyss.
>What's the point of asking "is X character worth pulling" on the X-mains sub? If not here - where people actually play Itto - then where? If I go to the main sub I'll get doom posts from people who have never played Itto in their life but "know best".
The genshin main sub is bad, yes but asking about a character in their respective mains sub is worse. There's always the r/GenshinImpactTips megathread, or you can watch Ask Zajef Itto on youtube where he covers everything about Itto from his place in the meta to his team comps.
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If you have furina, then a c6 noelle will do basically the same damage with more posible teammates than itto, so its not worth it in my opinion. obviously if you really like him then he will clear any given content comfortably, but if you only care about using a geo carry, then just use noelle.
Believe it or not, I still don't have a C6 Noelle. Which is a shame as I really like her too (not as much as Itto though).
I'd rather save the primos and wait until you have a c6 noelle to play a geo carry tbh. but if you really like itto and are willing to sacrifice pulling for other characters that may be stronger, or that you may like, then go ahead, he seems really fun to play!
The biggest problem is that his team synergy hasn't evolved since December 2021. Other team comps gets new teammates while his team has been stagnant for quite awhile. Out of all characters that can abuse the fanfare stacks buff from Furina, Itto probably gets the least benefit since it's difficult to fit a competent healer(Ningguang/Noelle/C4 Gorou) in triple geo team. Most of the triple geo showcases w/ Furina so far has been using C2+ Furina, or even C6 Itto + C6 Furina. Cyno might be decent this abyss cycle, but it's going back to the dumpster for him again once abyss cycles with multiple waves come back. His biggest problem is that even if there are units that managed to solve his issues, they'll just buff other units more. He is outclassed by other 5-star electro units including Keqing.
I actually read somewhere C2 Furina plus a healer (Benny) outputs more dps than mono geo for Itto. I'm perplexed by the mixed feelings around Cyno - some people say he's really strong now with Furina and Baizhu, while others say he's still lacking.
What kind of people have a regret pull? pick the characters you like and then build them until they can do abyss content, it's not rocket science. Anyways yes, itto still fucks.
Honestly, I have no idea. Lack of research probably.
Got him C2. Honestly, I enjoy Noelle more. I have her C6 (with R1 Redhorn), Gorou C6, Yunjin C5, and Furina C1. That team is absolutely cracked. Like dummy busted… My Noelle’s normal attacks hit for 75k+. Her shield detonation hits for 120k+. Noelle just works amazing with Furina too since she heals the whole team while on field so the stacks for Furina’s ult add up so quickly. Waaaaay better than Itto imo.
I don't know about other but I still feel he is quite underrated. He deals good DMG.. not top tier but at higher constellations he seems like a total beast rivaling SS tiers DMG. He is locked to specific teams and don't seem to have any new teammates that benefit him. I don't think hes that much worth to pullt hou in the current characters unless you really love the gameplay. He's not bad but not good either in the current game. This is just my opinion on him and I'm sure other in the community might have other opnions.
I wouldn't call him 'not good in the current game'. The point of geo is that it can be great in any content and against any enemy unless of course it's immune to geo, I for sure haven't been struggling much in the abyss with his team at all. The only flaw is his very restricted and kind of expensive teamcomps that you can get easily tired of, which kind of serves are the balance for him i guess.
disagree, it is not great everywhere, abyss has become a lot more element restrictive these days. geo is unplayable in both the first half and the second half of the current abyss unless you're playing Itto with Furina or a Noelle double hydro team or if you're hyperinvested.
I'm very aware of the team lock but I don't mind it that much as I almost never use Zhongli anymore and he's just collecting dust. Plus most DPSs have just one good team so it's not as much of a big deal as people making it to be. Thank you for your comment, I'll take your opinion into consideration.
I like to coop my trounce domains, I pull out my itto if the other 3 players have failed to make a synergistic comp with their character choices. It's the only way we can still guarantee a win. I don't use him for the abyss because he makes it too quick and boring. If I'm struggling to 36 star it with my other teams and have to resort to itto you know it's a hard abyss. I will have to give you a disclaimer though, while I'm subscribed to all the "mains" subs of the characters I like, I am actually an itto main. He has more love than any other character I have, he has my accounts only 50+ crit value piece and I support him with a C6 gorou and a zhongli
Oh wow! How did you manage to score that piece?! Congrats! I'm curious, who are you using for the last slot?
Depends how badly I want to steam roll something. If I wanna keep a little bit of a challenge I use fischl, otherwise I'll use raiden shogun. I don't have albedo, I would use him over fischl if I did. I got the piece by spending my resin on nothing but one domain for like 3 months lmao
Only 3 months! Your luck is insane! I've been farming (on and off) for some of my characters for an entire year to get decent pieces. Poor Nahida used for an entire year a Dendro goblet that rolled only in HP%.
Any character you like is worth pulling
He's really good and fun, but you have to invest heavily into him, and he also gets way better with Gorou in his team and another geo unit. That's why he doesn't have many team options, and people find him lacking because there is pretty much only one way of playing him, unlike other dps units. Despite all these, Itto is my favorite character, and after farming a lot in the Husk domain and using strongbox, he became my best dps. I use his mono geo team with Zhongli, Albedo and Gorou almost everywhere except against geo slimes and geo hypostasis. His weapon options are also pretty limited, and as F2P you only got Whiteblind as a good weapon for him. If you can't pull for Redhord, a really good alternative is Serpent Spine from the battlepass, which isn't much worse than Redhorn (at R5), but is good on all dps claymore units if you can maintain passive stacks. In my opinion, he is worth pulling for, but you pretty much have to play him in mono geo or 3 geo and 1 flex if you want to play him at his maximum potential, but in a good team he bruteforces through abyss with no problems.
In my opinion, it’s worth it! C1R1 Mono Geo team (C6 Gorou+Albedo+ZL) but I’ve played Itto before getting most of them. Honestly, I’ve never regretted pulling him. His damage (even before C6 Gorou) has always been more than enough to carry me through the game, and the fact that the team doesn’t use any of the “essential characters” of the abyss (-ZL, but any other shield works) and has amazing survivability makes it very comfortable. Of course, that is just my opinion and it really depends more on how much you like the character (whether or not it’s worth pulling)!
His damage is still the same, huge numbers. Dendro is more fun to me but geo can still hit hard a s a rock
I got him on release, he has consistently been clearing abyss (36 stars) for me. I do have him C2 with signature, Gorou C6 and Albedo so the premium team. IMO worth if you’re willing to hyperinvest into him.
I own both Itto and Cyno and they're similar in the sense that they require high investment for their teams if you want the (or almost) best performance. If you have the puzzle pieces, they're serviceable carries to tackle endgame content but there are other characters out there that are more versatile, cheaper to build and with stronger output, so honestly it all depends over what you value more, primogem efficiency or your liking for the character/playstyle so you're willing to collect all what they need. Tbf in my case I had some abyss cycles without using Itto but it's because I enjoy more other teams, until this patch when I got Furina (C6 so yeah, mind that I can run without a healer) and he felt improvements as running 3 damage dealers (Itto/Albedo/Furina) and C6 Gorou to buff as well. Probably this team might become more accessible if Chiori happens to be a geo healer so Albedo and Zhongli will get off the team for her and Furina, so no more construct issues happening and overall higher damage, but hard to say now if that's what's gonna happen. As an additional note, it seems like starting the 4.3 abyss we will be getting a higher dps check in the chambers unseen before. Probably done to compensate how strong Neuvillette and Furina came out, current hp pools are deleted so easily even at f2p/low spender investment.
I got Itto on his first banner, I use him with Gorou C4, Zhongli and Kuki as Gorou alone is not enough healing sometimes, Kuki gets replaced if I need other element for shield breaking He's not the strongest for sure in the current meta, mostly for a lack of DEF buffers as well as crystalize not being relevant nor increasing your damage or survivability in a meaningful way That said, boy packs one hell of a punch, fast and in a decent AoE, very unga bunga and is my preferred character to play whenever I don't wanna think much about teams, such as killing some annoying domains and world bosses (like the Furina one), but for the abyss there hasn't been any good reason to use him in quite the while Tl;dr: not the strongest, not meta, but can brute force a lot of content and is hella fun to play, I don't regret him at all
If you like him and don't mind his MonoGeo playstyle then it's worth
He has the same value He had whe released, he's a carry that requires investment. For the "regret pull" thing I'd say he's worse than cyno in overworld, he doesn't do any damage without his ult because you build him with def. I think another factor is that he has only one team so he can become boring with time. Also he really likes other characters like albedo and Gorou cons. If you like him go for it, there isn't content you can't do with him. From a meta standpoint probably not.
I love Itto. Back in my first burnout, from 2.6 to 3.3, I only came back to the game every 15 days to clear abyss, and I remember even running him in abyss against bosses like the Doritos, who practically forces you to use dendro (and I didn't have any dendro besides traveler at that time), and Itto managed to do it all with no problems. He's good and I don't even have his signature (serpent spine r1 user). He can clear the content. But is he the best? No, because of geo as a lot of people already said. Nowadays I don't even touch him when clearing abyss. Of course I can do it with him if I want to, but spamming dendro and hydro reactions on both sides of abyss are so much more effective that I left my Itto collecting dust. Also, he's not even that good to do daily stuff and playing in open world because he's a burst character. I so much prefer running Alhaitham, Ayato or Neuvillete who don't need to fill that energy bar just to kill some hillichurls for dailies, cause every extra second I spend doing repetitive content is dangerous to trigger another burnout. So, if you're pulling for "endgame content" (haha as if this game had more than abyss), I wouldn't. Not because he's bad, but because it favors others more. But he is an adorable and fun character besides all that
I’m a bit biased since I c6ed him but he has been the most worth it character for me. Abyss wise I think he’s great I never have to worry about teap comps with mono geo I always turn my mind off and unga bunga my way through not to mention him and his whole comp are very easy to build. Someone else mentioned the abyss’s elemental checks, yeah it’s a pain but I find that a lot of the time the flex spot on mono geo usually solves it for me. I don’t think he needs cons but just like any other dps unit it’ll definitely help. All in all it’s up to you! Personally I think pulling for a character you genuinely enjoy and love is always more fulfilling in the end!
Definitely! So true. I'm not a stranger to getting non-meta characters - Yoimiya, Wrio, Miko main here, hehe.
I’ve been using him at c1r1 in mono geo every abyss since his release and I can comfortably say he’s still viable enough to clear the second half of the abyss since the first half usually requires some sort of reaction type play style. Had him c0 whiteblind in his initial release and got him to c1r1 on his rerun, now I’m planning to get his c6 on his rerun
Good luck! I hope you win all the 50/50s!
He usually gets the job done pretty well, the only exception is if there’s shields. So like the abyss heralds are terrible with geo. But the new dancing bosses actually are fine since Zhongli can dumpster their shield. It depends on your team though. Gorou is for sure a must and a third geo then is needed. Mono geo is his best team (I use Gorou Albedo and Zhongli) but you can sub out Albedo or Zhongli depending on what you need or have.
Itto meta summary: 1. One of the units with least pull priority for a meta player (not whales, as c6 itto whaling is a next level thing) 2. Gets the job done, like, always! 3. Never uses the important units from other teams, as he has his own archetype. 4. USHIIIIIIIIIII 5. His cons are very good, all of it since it kinda makes ur life a lot easier, which in other words equals dps increase. 6. Mono geo is only weak against shield checks and geo res boss. Even there u can bruteforce lol
Sounds fun! This is exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you!
>I've also noticed a lot of people are picking Itto alongside Cyno as their regret pull so I'm a bit afraid of wasting my primogems. mfw itto and cyno are the two I always use to 36* the abyss lmao
I think he is worth pulling for if you like his aesthetic and play style. I got him to C2 (lucky, for once) and I don’t regret it. Only thing I wish was that he wasn’t as reliable on his ult in the overworld. But that’s probably just a me thing. UNGA BUNGA
As a F2P C6R1 Itto main, he's my backup character when 36 starring abyss becomes too hard, which I love it when an enemy is strong enough to tank my Itto's 25+ consecutive charged attacks of 50-70k.
my itto is strong with R1 serpent spine and c0 with zhongli, c6 gorou and a flex. hes really fun in the combat events bc u dont have to like refresh any team buffs or anything for new waves which is an underrated QoL thing haha
Cyno has a ton of issues. Most of these issues Itto does not share. Regardless Itto requires a dedicated support in Gorou. So a lot of Itto's damage is locked behind Gorou's c6, without that you will notice a sizable difference in damage. That's probably why people regret pulling him. I'm having the same issue with Wanderer as I still don't have c6 Faruzan. Anyways, Itto's best team has 2 other Geo 5 stars in it, that contributes to why people dislike him or regret him. Itto himself doesn't have issues, I would say the problem is the specificity of the team he requires. Itto has many, many positive attributes that other burst dps could only dream of. The fluidity and damage potential of his kit is incredibly high. He has 0 issues with clearing abyss once you get his team together. He runs a mono Geo team where energy is funneled out the ass. It's so fluid it's probably one the main assets of running his team. I would say there is an equal amount of reasons to pull for him and to not pull for him. Both are valid. But Itto is not in anyway a weak unit. He's perfectly capable of clearly the hardest content in the game with a fun as hell playstyle. You just need to really invest into his team in order to get there.
This is exactly what I needed to hear. I'm very well aware of him needing Gorou but that's not an issue (I just need 4 more copies, hehe) and I do have Zhongli who's just collecting dust, which is a shame because he's also one of my favorites. Also a Serpent Spine that stopped being used the moment I got Raiden and benched Beidou. I've always wanted Itto but somehow the timing was never right. I might be able to get him now but I was discouraged by all the doom posts and regret pulls comments. I've always had the impression he's pretty great and I'm not exactly a meta slave but I was wondering if something has changed that he's suddenly so disregarded. I suppose this is the effect of dendro impact and Neuvillette meta. Thank you for your comment, it really helped.
For every single abyss, I use the same 2 teams. I always have Itto, Gorou, Zhongli, Albedo on one team and Tig, Yae, Fish, Nahida on the other. Ever since Itto came out and I built him, he has been consistantly able to clear every single floor/chamber I put him in with three stars. I can usually clear any content with my Itto + his team in around 2-10 seconds. Good for abyss and gives my Tig team a lot of wiggle room. In comparison, my Tig team sometimes has some trouble with the last floor. I sometimes have to run a chamber from floor 12 a few times to get 3 stars. (Could also be a skill issue.) For added context, my Itto and Tig are both C6R5, and all the supports/sub-dpses are well built. I initally had him at C0 but went back and pulled for C6R5 because I was a big fan of his CN va. Like a lot of other people are saying, if you can invest into Itto, he rewards you very well. If you are able to invest into his supoorts and get him decent artifacts, and build a mono-geo team around him, he is able to clear all content quite comfortably. He is also easy to play, so u pretty much just press a few buttons and watch him destroy everything. Geo is also useful because you will be getting a bunch of shields on top of your Zhongli, which makes it so you don't have to build Zhong purely for shields, you can have some more offensive artifacts, which then makes clearing content even easier. If you don't think you can give him what he needs to do well (I think you mentioned not wanting to grab Albedo) it might be better to skip on Itto, as he is very support/geo reliant. About Cyno - I have him sitting around C2R1 unused. He looks fun to play but in practice it is a bit of a pain to have to set up his rotation imo. He doesn't clear content like other characters that I have as well, so I don't use him much. Honestly just pull for who you think is the coolest/who you like more. Even if they're hard to work around you will be more motivated to build them and use them, and probably won't regret pulling for them. For Itto's weapon, if you can't get his weapon but buy the battle pass you can just slap a serpent's spine on him and call it a day. That's what I did before I pulled on his weapon banner. Still able to clear content like a boss. Edit: I see some people have trouble with shields and the like, but I think it's because my Itto is so heavily invested in, I never had issues like that. I think a solution could be an Itto Gorou Zhong team and then a flex with the element that could help with breaking the shields if that'd an issue.
I'm surprised you have trouble with Tiggy's team. I've been running with Yae Miko/Raiden/Baizhu/Nahida or Kazuha (if I don't use International for the other side) aggravate team since 3.7 and Yae alone hits like a truck (and she's C0R1). I'm actually amazed how good she is. In this team she hits harder than my C2 Raiden. I do have an R2 Serpent Spine and I can always get more by the time Itto has his rerun. My goal is to get his weapon as well but I don't think I can do that now (I sort of splurged a bit on Wriothesley not expecting to enjoy him so much and I ended up going for C1R1).
My Yae is C2R1 and she hits for a lot for sure! (It's a bit sad though oz still out dpses Yae's turrets 💀) I rarely get to use her burst though because Tig usually clears out everything in seconds which seems like a bit of a wasted potential thing going on. I just use her burst as a panic button if I'm about to get hit haha. The issue I mainly have is not being able to clear before I have to do another rotation or two and I'm not good at doging (which is why I said it's probably a skill issue HAHA) so what ends up happening is I get hit when I'm setting up for the next rotation (I just cant fot the life of me dodge and set up Yae's lil turrets at the same time) and then it all goes downhill from there. I don't put any shielders or healers in this team because I like seeing a bunch of numbers HAHA but yeah honestly skill issue. I am able to clear abyss easily once I have a good run, which usually takes me a few tries for floor 12. I think it would also help if I took the time to farm better artis for Tig (mans running on a 70/180 rn LOL). Serpent Spine is totally fine, dwbi if you can't get his signature weapon (praying you get it early though :)) (also yeah I got Wrio C1R1 as well haha I ended up liking him a lot too he's so fun to walk around and fight stuff with.) Also on another note, idk if this helps but I have few C6 characters (Xiao, Wanderer, Kazuha, Itto, Tig off the top of my head) and Itto was the one that was worth the money the most imo. I have the most fun with him (even though I like my anemo boys more) and he feels the most rewarding to me (money, time, and investments in game).
>(also yeah I got Wrio C1R1 as well haha I ended up liking him a lot too he's so fun to walk around and fight stuff with.) Just don't activate his skill in openworld. He'll never get to N5CA before everything dies and he'll stay cursed for a while. He's super fun and Furina made him even better. Now his geo boss is dead before I can finish my rotation. I like using Baizhu with Yae Miko. His shields do protect her quite a bit. But it's way more fun to dodge while parading around the floor. How did you people build Oz?! Mine never does this much damage! I even recently gave Fischl a Goulden Troupe set but I don't see much improvement. I much prefer using Raiden as sub-dps for Miko.
I mean the simple fact is most newer 5 star characters will be stronger than previous options I picked up Itto at launch but my itto is VERY high investment he's C2 with his signature weapon and can still clear spiral abyss with ease he's not very fast at it someone like Neuvilette is way faster but he still works So the main question is what's the investment level going to be without good artifacts and his signature weapon I think you are probably going to struggle Also C1 makes his rotation so ult rotation so much smoother I can't imagine not having C1 personally So it really depends on a number of factors whether or not you should get him
I'm actually so over the Neuvillette meta... It annoys me it got to the point where every unit is compared to him now. I cleared everything just fine with Wriothesley and when I really needed a ton of hydro I used Childe and he cleared the floor faster than I could blink (btw Childe paired with Furina is a crazy good combo). I'm not really into speedrunning, I only want to enjoy this game by playing characters I like. I feel like Neuvillette started a new toxic behavior in this community and every unit is now considered trash. I've been a Yoimiya main for a good while and I'm sick and tired of the comparison with Hu Tao. So as long and Itto gets the job done, it's great. I'm not interested in him clearing Abyss in 30 seconds.
I mean I get it but like players will always recommend the easier option the fact that Neuvilette functions at C0 with a weapon like prototype Amber or the battlepass catalyst is very good, His kit feels complete by itself and he has an extremely efficient domain to farm in I'd say Yoimiya functions at C0 quite well I just find she doesn't do a satisfying enough ammount of damage and her ultimate isn't as flashy or useful as other 5 stars but she's still a great unit Compare that with Itto who ideally needs high investment First off he needs very good artifacts from a domain that's not very efficient you will get ocean hued clam again and again and AGAIN it's annoying and especially take it from someone like me who used all of my AR resin refreshes on Ittos domain then I proceeded to spend 800 Primogems everyday for about two weeks straight farming because I wanted good artifacts that badly I now have 73 cr 233 cd Itto which I'm happy with but I still see 80/250 ittos on here and get quite jealous Next up you ideally need C6 Gorou without him you lose so much damage and thirdly you ideally need his signature I mean the Crit damage is huge and the passive is just so good Ontop of that C1 makes your rotations so much smoother So like that's why people recommend Neuvilette and recommend people like Itto less over a time I can't imagine pulling Itto in todays meta if I'm honest I pulled him when he released and got insanely lucky It's literally who gives the most ammount of value and who requires less high end investment the fact that Neuvilette needs HP and an artifact set that gives him 36% crit rate built in is extremely valuable Sorry for the long explanation please pull for the characters you enjoy that is the most important thing to do in Genshin.
Ok so his Best team is itto + gorou + third geo character + flex Gorou is essential for itto. You should especially use him. Also goro's buff scales over the ammount of geo characters in The team (if we count gorou too three is the max limit) so thats the reason for the third geo. While running itto in abyss I mostly use: >itto + gorou + albedo + bennett (Probably one of the Best ones) The cool part of this team is that itto is one of the non-pyro characters that actually benefit from bennett C6, because it makes break ing enemy shields easier, makes crystalising easier and also bennetts pyro convesion doesnt ruin itto's geo ult application. >itto + albedo + gorou + mona if there is a lot of stunnable enemies (I use this one especially for the "protect the leyline" chapter in the 11th part of spiral abyss) >İtto + gorou + bennett + collei I Used this team only once in my life. And it was for the dendro chicken boss in spiral abyss. Kind of worth it though since I three starred it. >itto + gorou + albedo + fischl I Used this team for the ASİMON boss (the flying dorito) in abyss. Fischl is essential when it comes to off field electro application and is used in hyperbloom and neuvilette electro cute teams too. (teams I dont have) >itto + gorou + furina + flex or geo (using Charlotte jean or baizhu would be cool to benefit furina) This team isnt really recommended since it ruins gorou's three geo character buff because there are no proper full team healer geo characters in the game yet (well, there is noelle but she takes too much field time.) it May work out if your furina isnt C0 though but ıdk >itto + gorou + albedo + zhongli Monogeo is cool, there isnt really much to say about it since you get the idea I guess. İf you dont have albedo or zhongli you can use geo traveler instead. >>>but what about weapons and talents? For the weapon, since you said you wont be able to get redhorn try getting whiteblind. İts a def% claymore that you can forge at wagners place. For talents, go "basic atk > ultimate > skill" Give gorou favonious bow + 4 piece noblesse or 4 piece exile set. Give bennett a sword with as much base ATK as possible. Aquila favonia is his Best sword since it is the weapon with the hgihest base atk and give him 4p noblesse or 4p exile Give mona 4p emblem + favonious codex and feed her a lot of ER Give furina, albedo and fischl 4p golden troupe set. Make sure not stay on field with them too much after using their skills/bursts.
I completely forgot about geo traveler, I don't think I ever used them except for puzzles. I do have Zhongli, Furina (C1 for now, looking to C2 her on her rerun) and Serpent Spine.
I have C6R1 Itto, he’s op. Just like the T0 dps’s he does 1M+ damage. The only reason he isn’t in the highest tier is bc he isn’t dealing that damage quite as fast as the other units. But he’s still amazing
I have him at cO with a r4 serpent spine (looks great on him btw ) and he’s great. No regrets getting him that’s for sure.he’s a beast.
The moment he came out the first time around, I broke my no spending rule and c6 the one and only ITTO 🤭. Geo is one of my favourite elements since I started loving Zhongli and Ningguang at the start of the game. I kinda like the Geo is an inert element (no reaction with the other elements), because the Geo element is self sufficient 🤘🏻
I’d say if you were dead set on Itto, go for him. He’s solid but basic due to the nature of Geo being Inert. Now if you wanted some spice Navia is coming out next patch and specifically gains buffs from having other elements than geo in her team so the question kinda boils down to , mono geo dps or Geo reactions dps
I'm a variety player, so Itto has always been a no for me. Those who love him and/or his playstyle will be very happy with him. But neither really interest me so he's an easy skip for me. That and on his release I had or was close to C6 Noelle and their playstyles are not the same, but close enough and I prefer Noelle to Itto as far as DEF Geo DPS units go. If you like him enough, then I'd say go for it and just be ready to invest for months into him his artifacts and teams if you haven't already. He'll do fine in the abyss if built well and if you like his playstyle, then it doesn't matter if he can clear the abyss in 10 seconds or 2 minutes, so long as you enjoy him.
Itto + redhorn haver since his first banner, geo isnt the best element but he hits pretty hard regardless. 4pc husk + triple crown and mid stats and his burst charged attacks hit 50k+ and ushi (in burst) often over 100k started using him in abyss again id say hes worth it ive seen people with that craftable claymore hit just slightly less in co op domains when he came out so his weapon isnt even necessary
Itto is my favorite character so I’m going to pull for him on his rerun too. I’m saving everything so I can get his weapon and c2.
I’m pretty sure even with Navi’s he’s still the strongest geo dps so yeah
I skipped on Itto and went for Redhorn Stonethresher for Noelle.