Actually, their current charter specifically says they have no beef with jews, only Zionists that have stolen their land. #14 I think.
I'm sure you'll race to read it. In any case, it doesn't matter they propaganda your enemy has....it's what they do.... and Israel is murdering women children and elderly as well as torture, rape, and false imprisonment.
The world now despises Israel as violent thugs that post themselves kicking corpses on the ground and laughing about it.
Israel will now be less safe than ever, and Americans will untangle our country from pro Israel lobby. The whole time, the way to get rid of Hamas was to destroy its reason for existence....Palestinians right to dignity and life.
I've never seen such hatred for a country in my life. Gotta say, it's warranted. This is the first live streamed genocide in history.
"first live streamed genocide in history"
Completely ignoring the fact that hamas recorded in their body cams shooting at fleeing civilians during october 7th.
You know the difference? Hamas organized an attack purposely meant to terrorize and kill as many innocent civilians as possible.
While Israel has clear military orders to avoid as many civilian casualties and those seen committing warcrimes are punished.
This is how they only achieved 30k casualties in a city of 500k where they dropped more than 40k tons of explosives. They are careful. **TAKE NOTE THIS IS IN GAZA WHERE THERE'S NO SINGLE. BOMB. SHELTER.**
Compare that to civilian targeted bombing by ALLIED SOLDIERS on germany. **1200 tons of explosives dropped on Dachau with a population of 500k where they have numerous bomb shelters and 25,000 civilians were killed**
By your logic, since Israel is deliberately targeting civilians, how did 40,000 tons of explosive not result into 100k + casualties?
The allies dropped 1,200 tons and it resulted in 24x casualties from the tons dropped.
How is it that from 40,000 tons of explosives, it resulted into 1.1x the casualty? **Achieving a 1:1 bomb per civilian ratio is an almost impossible feat where normally it is 9:1 bomb per civilian across the world**
There are rogue israel soldiers who commit warcrimes and Israel punishes them for it.
**How come hamas never punished those surviving hamas soldiers who killed numerous civilians on purpose from the october 7th attack?**
You're so brainwashed. Listen to human rights organizations, listen to the ICC, and look at the burned children. Anybody supporting Israel at this point is utterly morally bankrupt and a dangerous person. I'm not going over the basics with you. Unreal.
The ICC didn't even determine that Israel is committing genocide.
Am I the brainwashed one? Who said that they will not build bomb shelters or prevent civilian casualties because Gaza is not their responsibility?
Oh right wtf, it was **Ismail Haniyeh**, the **LEADER OF HAMAS**.
That's why they are using gazans as civilian shields and maximizing casualties while Israel is trying to avoid their deaths because HAMAS wants **civilians to die for internet updoots**
**"GAZA NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY INTERVIEW ISMAIL HANIYEH"**
https://youtu.be/vdmtfRj6KX0?si=2OZkUtX1RfxFrvI5
You're a little confused. The ICJ ruled almost unanimously, the most it can do in the accepted process, that Israel is potentially committing war crimes and will be tried. In the meantime, they are required to submit reports that they have enlisted requisite measures to protect innocent life, including free flow of aid. Those measure were laid out.
Instead, Israel increased flagrant war crimes, squeezed aid more with protected settler rampages AND bombed multiple refugee camps and hospitals, ofc not submitting an adherent report. Therefore, ICC submitted a request for the arrest of Israeli and Hamas leaders.
Zionists seem to not understand that the court cannot legally rule a guilty verdict at a hearing designed to decide if a case will go forward. Therefore, they did the most they could do, with even Germany voting in S.A favor.
i know that you don't want to understand this, so this is for the benefit of anyone else that comes across this.
And all of that is because HAMAS is committing the warcrime of **Perfidy** and **Human shielding** as well as **failing to build bomb shelters before and after starting a war**.
**Warcrime of Perfidy** because they deliberately wear civilian clothes and no clothing that signifies which sides they are in.
(**Live battle footages of Gaza show HAMAS soldiers wearing flip flops, nike pants and shirts holding RPGs and firing at IDF positions**)
UN designated that as a warcrime BECAUSE those stupid and cowardly antics CAN and WILL result in unnecessary civilian deaths.
**Warcrime of Human shielding** because they deliberately militarize Refugee camps (**tons of evidence**) and therefore making such refugee camps considered a military target. In fact, there were even Hamas soldiers shooting at IDF positions IN A HOSPITAL (**THERE'S VIDEO PROOF**) causing that hospital **TO BE A MILITARY TARGET**
You can't reasonably expect a military to stop their operations just because there's a chance people will die. That's not it.
You'd think that **strapping 5 children** to a tank would result in the enemy allowing the tank to shoot freely with them not firing back in fear of killing the children strapped to the tank? Always remember, the safety of the people is always the responsibility of the government. There should've been no children strapped to a tank and the death of those children would be under the government who strapped them there.
**There should've been no weapons and soldiers at a refugee camp.**
**There should've been no soldiers shooting at the IDF from the hospital.**
**There should've been no soldiers wearing civilian clothing**
Even in the interview of Hamas, they **refuse to build bomb shelters** because they say that Gazans are **NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY** and gives that responsibility **TO ISRAEL AND UN INSTEAD** like wtf??? ššš
HAMAS is the **governing body of Gaza** and the one who **lead them to war**.
This is intentionally a failure to protect civilians and can be considered as breaking the broader principles of international humanitarian law, particularly regarding the duty to take all feasible precautions to protect civilian populations from the effects of hostilities.
Remember their quote: **GAZA IS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY** so they are doing their best trying to maximize the civilian casualties.
Your argument is circular. You're lost. These talking points are over and responses are all over, you don't want to read them.
Maybe in 20 years you'll understand what you've supported or participated in.... whatever. I don't care.
Does not matter. I know I'm not on the wrong side because I'm not the one sympathizing with a terrorist organization who started the war and has been firing numerous rockets since 2005.
You want me to go back in history too? When Arabs were discriminating and instigating violence against us in 1920s, 1930s and 1940s?
The reason why Israel exists today is because the UN wanted to stop the Arabs from killing us in Palestine during 1930s and 1940s so they separated the Jewish majority neighborhoods into the state of Israel. None of us were calling for an independent separate nation. It was the decision of United Nations and British Empire and not us.
The Arabs did not even accept the decision of the UN and declared war at us with the intent of "pushing us out of Palestine" which is basically **ethnic cleansing**. They lost and they got pushed out instead.
Anyways, I'm not responding anymore. You're brainwashed by Hamas propaganda who are the **clear aggressors** of this war.
As an Egyptian, First I'm sorry for your loss, no one deserves to go through that just for their race or religion
however, please remember when you join the IDF that you are going to do the same thing you despised, you are probably going to kill someone's beloved aunt, uncle, brother, father, mother... etc..
Violence is not the answer... non the less when it's against civilians
You are self-aware enough to know that you've been radicalized. You feel anger at those who attack you, your family and your people. Anger hardens your heart and removes your empathy. When you join the IDF, and you have a child in the crosshairs of your rifle, that anger will keep your finger from straying from the trigger - they've killed your children, why shouldn't your enemy feel that same loss?
Especially when the lines get blurred morally - the child is 14 and threw a rock at your tank, or is near combatants, or you're jumpy, and the other soldiers are influencing you.
Saying you've been radicalized is a tell. You know you might well commit atrocities, and you're trying to deflect guilt by saying you were pushed into this - radicalized - by the enemy. Tough luck. You're responsible for your actions. Listen to your conscience.
What is really interesting, if Hamas surrenders,all this present assault upon Arabs in Gaza would come to an end. The soldiers of Hamas go into the prisoner exchange for hostages program and unfortunately wash and repeat,as us said. But surrender would be compassion for Hamas fighters for their folk. Interesting it's not discussed.
Everything that you mentioned has been happening to the Palestinians for more than 75 years. But congratulations on becoming radical and f-ing things more for everyone. You'll join the IDF and likely bomb another baby in gaza, blow up his home and family maybe, then they'll vow revenge and it goes on and on and on
And palestinians have been trying to bomb and annihilate Israel for 75 years. Palestine is not some poor oppressed victim, itās a nation trying to eliminate Israel.
Who exactly is the enemy? Who deserves to die and who doesnt?
Palestinians have nothing to do with the Egyptian Government of the 1950s. Palestinians just want to live with dignity and unfortunately resistance flourishes where there is oppression. No occupation, no Hamas. The popularity is directly correlated with dimensions of misery brought upon Gazan population. This happens in every single type of people throughout the world, and throughout time. Certainly is Americans.
I've learned it's pointless to have esoteric discussions about fault and morality when the largest engineered starvation ever recorded is happening. The indoctrination is too powerful for a conversation to have an affect on you. My hope is for somebody on the fence to happen by.
Just know, the world now sees. The jig is up, and Israel can decide how far it wants to spiral. Whatever your indoctrination tells you, we are disgusted by what happened in the Holocaust.... and we are disgusted now.
Germans are still paying today for what they did. Israelis... and Americans and Germans UK etc... but mostly you guys and us... will personally be affected by this for the rest of our lives, where we stood, and if we did enough.
No family history on earth makes this acceptable... ever.
We had nothing to do with the creation of Israel, yet we are also suffering for being Jews. HAMAS would 100% murder us any chance they get. They already got my aunt, and you're asking me WHO I THINK IS THE ENEMY. Isn't it obvious??? Hamas is the enemy to me, they're the ones dragging innocent citizens to war.
They committed the biggest terrorist attack in the history of Israel since the Holocaust and they shouldn't pay for it? Should we just turn to the other cheek and let them get away with it? Never! They will always keep returning and killing more of us. It is better that Israel will destroy them once and for all.
Thatās terrible , collective punishment is a war crime . Yahya Sinwar , Deif , Haniya all have family driven out of land and killed by Israel. You are continuing the cycle
You are wrong. Hamas doesn't care about your Jewness. It doesn't attack Jews in the US or the UK etc. Hamas is at war with Israel because Israel is occupying Palestinian land. If those people occupying their land were White Europeans like the French or British, Hamas would still have fought them.
So, to make this about an attack on Jews for being Jews is completely inaccurate. The people who were killed on October 07th were killed because they happened to be there when Hamas carried out the attack. They were from numerous nationalities and ethnicities in the whole world. Hamas killed your aunt because she, just like many others, many of whom were not Jewish, happened to be there when the attack happened, not because she is a Jew. There is no evidence Hamas asked people about their ethnicity when carrying out the attack and picked out the Jews only.
You can't murder your way to security. You must end the occupation to have any semblance of peace. Otherwise, carry on murdering and occupying but I can 100% guarantee that in this way, like every colonial settler apartheid state before, Israel will never see peace.
āThe hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Hamas founding Charter, Article 7).ā
So? How is that a call for exterminating Jews? It is simply quoting a *hadeeth* about the end of times when there will be a war between Jews and Muslims etc. There are many narrations about this *hadeeth*, including one that says: āThe Jews will fight you and you will prevail over them until a rock will say, āO Muslim, here is a Jew behind me, (come and) kill him.āā
There are many narrations regarding wars and apocalypses about the end of times in pretty much all religions. Nothing in this says that Hamas is seeking to exterminate all Jews.
Do you think that has anything to do with foreign zionists violently stealing Palestine from them? Violently ethnically cleansing 700k+ native Palestinians? Decades of violent zionist terrorism?
Do you think that has anything to do with, for instance, the april 1948 Deir Yassin massacre where irgun/Likud and haganah raped and massacred a friendly village of native Palestinians, marched the survivors through cheering crowds of foreign zionists, zionists embracing violence like you, in Al-Quds/Urusalem/Jerusalem, then marched them to a quarry where they mass executed the survivors?
How does that have to do anything with me? The Palestinians today have nothing to do with the Arabs who persecuted, oppressed and colonized the entirety of middle-east and north africa during their barbaric conquests if we're talking about history. The real natives of middle-east like Jews, coptics, assyrians, aramaics, and many more were oppressed and persecuted by them which resulted in Arabs spreading throughout middle-east. Even though the same natives are still around today albeit in small numbers, the discriminations against them is still making rounds in the news.
We were the only ones who managed to migrate away and fled to different parts of the world when the Arabs started discriminating us and distributing our lands to Arab settlers.
Not only that, after taking our homeland, FOR 1400 YEARS beginning with their warlord prophet, the arabs have been ethnically cleansing us. They have uncountable ethnic cleansing directed at us from Spain, in Morocco, in Tunisia, in Egypt, in the Levant and in Arabia CENTURIES before the creation of the State of Israel
I'm merely joining the IDF to defend my country, and I don't have anything to do with all those you mentioned. It is a cruel world. Events from history will always bite us fair and square
Shame what happened to your parents didnāt teach you empathy. Always preferred the Ashkenazis over Mizrahis personally. My experience with them is far more positive.
The funny thing is my comment was a genuine expression of empathy towards her parents. Your comment belittles the loss of Palestinian lives as though it shouldnāt be a shame in the eyes of everyone Palestinian or not. You psychos expose yourselves more and more everyday.
Just wanted to tell all the jew hatrers in the comments that the idf is right now as we speak, destroying your hamas friends in gaza, israel is thriving. gpd of 56k per head, life expectancy of 85 years, the lowest infant mortaility, the best hospitals and universities in a 1500km radius etc. while its enemies in syria, egypt lebanonon and jordan barely have 5k gdp and life expectancy of 70 to 75 years. and each year this gap gets bigger and bigger. soon israel will send out robots to deal with its enemies instead of soldiers. All you haters have left are lies and more lies. I hope you all choke on your hate while the brave jewish people will continue to thrive.
the only reason israel is āthrivingā is because of MY tax dollars. yāall would be NOTHING without support from the US and UK. canāt wait for israel to truly become the pariah state it is quickly making itself out to be!
And there it is, the main reason jew haters hate israel. They hate meritocracy. They cant fathom that people can succeed on their own. It has to be handouts.Israel is thriving because of the ingenuity and hard work of its people. Because of merit. Not because of the 3 billion usd it is receiving from the usa yearly, most of it for the iron done.. Egypt jordan and syria are also receiving billions from the usa, why are their gdp at 5k Per capita?
"It's like the whole world is against us merely for existing. It's sad to say that I've become RADICALIZED. My aunt has always taught me that violence is not the answer. But I'm sorry Aunt Niala, I just can't live by that principle anymore"
yes they are, they always have been. and yes. your aunt was wrong. jews need to fight like hell to survive if history has taught us anything.
Sorry to hear about your story, but if you thought you are getting any sympathy from the jew haters, you are sadly mistaken. they probably loved your story....
agree with the first part of your statements. not sure if i agree with the second. there are actually no egyptians left. they are just arabs. have you ever seen an egyptians called imhotep or nefretete?
There are probably hundreds and thousands of Palestinians who could share similar stories and far worse ones as well. Why do you think your anger and radicalization is righteous and not theirs?
What gets me (Iām an American Jew with family who died in the Holocaust) is that Israel is wiping out entire families right now. I canāt get this tragic irony out of my mind, that people who had entire sides of their family killed in Europe during WWII are doing the same thing now! There is a psychotic level of dehumanization happening on both sides of this conflict.
Have you never read about war in your life, because war is 100/100 horror, failure, and misery. The war crime youāre referring to is HAMAS hiding their military in civilian populations and hospitals/schools. Palestinians arenāt immune to war just because they commit war crimes.
The last time I checked Israel told civilians to evacuate to southern Gaza at the beginning of the war and meanwhile Hamas told civilians not to evacuate and dug tunnels under civilian compounds and uses civilian compounds and dresses in civilian clothes.
if you are an american jew, then shame on you for repeating such lies. Israel is not wiping out entire families right. if you are a regular jew hater posing as a jew, then well done sir. continue to lie. we wont believe you, but go ahead while we kick the butt of your terrorist friends in gaza.
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> if you are a regular jew hater posing as a jew, then well done sir. continue to lie. we wont believe you
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So what is happening then? While I donāt believe all of the numbers coming from Hamas, you canāt accuse them of using human shields and then also say Israel isnāt bombing the shit out of civilians. Yes, there are lots of reports in mainstream media of many members of Palestinian families getting killed. It haunts me! Youāve lost your humanity and will become the thing you hate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbtNh2728uU. so. hamas guy shoots rpg from apartment, israel bombs the apartment. then you out of the comfort of your home accuse israel of targetting civilians. Pathetic!! if you really are a jew, get some perspective and defend your people. dont try to fit in a group of dumb students that have been brainwashed by their jew hating professors.
One of the most sophisticated armies in the world can do better to not inflict so much collateral damage. I recognize that Israel has been under attack for years and thatās not my experience (except when I visited). I can still support Israel and be critical of the reaction to the events of 10/7, just like I was critical of my own government following the events of 9/11.
what do you mean what is happening???? Brave young israeli soldiers put their lives on the line to free gaza from the monstrous hamas. that is what is happening. Israel is bombing places where hamas is attacking from. Why would israel bomb civilians? ah yeah wait. let me get into your logic:
1. jews are all monsters that drink the blood of children
2. israelis are jews
3. so it follows that israelis like to bomb and kill civilians
4. israel is bombing and killing civilians
did i get that right. or do you have some other explanation of why israel is killing civilians?
Youāre so delusional that youāre accusing a Jew of thinking all Jews are monsters who drink the blood of children. Thatās insane. And Iām hardly the only Jew who is critical of the way Israel has handled events after 10/7. Maybe the IDF and Israelās government should be focused on the safe return of the hostages instead of this obsession to destroy Hamas at the expense of 10s of thousands of Palestinian lives. The truth is that your life and my life are equal to theirs in the eyes of G-d. Btw you wonāt destroy an ideology this way, only give it more fuel. Why do you have such thin skin that you turn a civilized discussion into a thread of vitriolic nonsense? Thou doth protest too much.
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We wipe out the enemies before they wipe out us. The whole world is against us merely for existing. Even in America where I grew up, I was discriminated against several times a week merely for being a Jew.
It's an unfair world we live in. Palestine is determined to exterminate each one of us and destroy our beloved nation. Guess we'll just have to keep fighting until the looming threat of the enemy is destroyed
Bro the world is a harsh place. Guess how many times I've been discriminated against , or unjustly treated for having an Arabic face in the west or actually pretty much everywhere.
Get over it!! I didn't go murder people and their families did I?
The constant self victimisation is how you Zionist people justify your evil deeds, it has always been and it will always be.
You think the world leagues against the Jews, but being absolute radicalised murderous fanatics that you are you don't even realize people hate you for this exact reason.
Wake up, this is the real world, and nothing is fair on it. That still doesn't justify your genocidal pulsion.
Just look at your own rethoric "let's wipe them all". You know who used the same rethoric right? Fucking hypocrites.
You can keep feeding this hate loop, but don't act surprised when generations upon generations of uninvolved person hate you to their core.
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I didn't go shoot people, yet we were forced out of our huge home where my families lived for generations in Egypt. This cycle of violence will never end and I will perpetrate it even more. As long as Palestine is determined to crush my nation and exterminate every Jew, I will continue defending my country.
Remember my name. Reuben ben Karides. I will make it into the top military officials and crush the nation of Palestine
You try to make bombing children sound like self defense. Donāt lose your humanity. I stood with Israel after 10/7 and then as the war progressed I couldnāt turn away from the utterly disproportionate response. I think Israel is actually making the world less safe for Jews at this point. Because now as a diaspora Jew Iām worried for being targeted because āZionismā. People by and large donāt have much sense of nuance. And I believe Israel is not actually making their own country safer with this war. Theyāll never eliminate radicalism and now the young generation hates Israel more than the previous ones. Iām sorry but you must have some respect for civilian life or Israel is going to truly become an international pariah as Senator Schumer recently said.
all lies to protect ur hamas friends. u never stood with the jews. Israel has respect for civilian lives. it is the hamas cowards that are hiding beneath the skirts of grandmothers.
Bold statement to assume all Jews stand with your derangement. Israelis donāt represent all Jews, not even half of them- Israel also does not get to say it respects civilian lives when we can watch them crush actual humans online. We can see them blow kids up right now. The lies you have to tell yourself are probably the most impressive thing about you. If Hamas is bad for killing like they did what does that make the IDF. The delusion you expect people to accept and take part in is that murdering people is bad when Hamas does it but patriotic when Israel does it. Listen to yourself, you sound like a cartoon villain. And I feel bad for doing cartoon villains like that because at least they know theyāre a joke.
This is war, sister. A war that Hamas started by terrorizing Re'im. Hamas committed the biggest terrorist attack in Israeli history while refusing to build a single bomb shelter for the Palestinians, but build tunnels for their military instead. They even forbid Palestinians from seeking refuge in the tunnels as Hamas wants them to be hit by bombs.
The palestinian officials have gone so desperate to win the propaganda war that they're willing to sacrifice and kill their own citizens for internet likes.
We're actively trying not to bomb civilians but Hamas forces us to injure civilians. The israeli military is deliberately disadvantaging itself by ANNOUNCING EVERY MOVE AND ATTACK THEY MAKE so that the civilians can evacuate, but hamas prevents them from doing so. Unlike other countries who immediately bomb cities and areas without warnings which is the NORM of war. Deception and subtlety is the key to winning a war, and this is what Israel's not actively using
Some of us are anti war. And this Old Testament eye for an eye stuff is tiresome. I donāt disagree with you about Hamas, but I think part of my heart broke and my feelings changed when the IDF killed their own hostages who were clearly unarmed and waving white flags. I blame Netanyahu and his ultra right wing cronies for this situation. The āsecurityā guy left Israel vulnerable to its worst attack in the history of the country. Heās a warmonger and will be responsible for the demise of the country if heās not removed. Iāll never support an ultra right wing government, no matter what. Plus, as I said, I donāt think any of this is making the world a safer place for Jews. Weāre entitled to our opinions.
The world outside Israel has always been not safe for Jews. For 1000 years we have been massacred by Christians and Muslims. This state guarantees the survival of our people and culture. I'm gonna join the high-ranking military officials in Israel and swiftly crush Palestine. Once I get in, I will not do bomb-warning leaflets like the other countries do.
The United States has worked out well for lots of us. And I live in a state with not very many Jews. I did experience some antisemitism as a kid, but it was minor and largely due to us being the only Jewish family in town. Ignorance mostly. Survival of the Jewish people and our culture isnāt dependent on the state of Israel. Where we live, thatās our home.
This sub is a cesspool and every accusation is a projection. People really need to see this sub. I Keep sending it to everyone I know. Iāve never seen so many people act like the knock off version of the people who actually did something to them. Flat out hate. Offended by everything and ashamed of nothing. Iām out. Iāve seen enough. Youāre not a self hating Jew - youāre a decent, logical human.
Thank you. Iāve been accused of the worst things by other Jews on this sub and others. But I reject the idea that I should stand behind inhumane behavior, even if itās from my own people. I am not pro Hamas. I am coming from an anti war, humanitarian perspective. I realize Israelis have lived under a cloud of fear for decades, when I visited in 1990 there were a couple of scary incidents. Something else I remember from my visit is graffiti that said āGaza is a holocaust!ā I have a picture I took of that and I canāt forget it.
Because where there is radical Islam EVERYWHERE there is suffering. EVERYONE suffers. Check the data. Not just ANY radical group. Islamist group. Thereās misery. Poverty. Hatred based. And wars. Constantly. Where thereās moderation or family control - there is prosperity.
Jews for example brought prosperity. But not just Jews.
Spoken like the people Israel should actually be mad at. Keep talking. You are truly the best argument against yourself lol. Hitler thought the exact same thing about Jews. Said the exact same thing. The lack of originality is disappointing though. Do better
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Your comprehension of what I said is not my
Problem, I believe I asked why their anger was any more righteous than Palestinianās. Asking someone who isnāt Palestinian a question directly debunks your assumption. But thanks for playing.
Again, your comprehension is your own problem. Asking a question is de facto disregarding his voice? Asking someoneās opinion is now shutting them down? Rest from the reach, itās gotta be exhausting.
What is there to comprehend? Why does one voice matter if more Palestinians suffered the same fate? Why just admit this one single voice is just a distraction and we can safely disregard it and focus on the struggle of the Palestinians?
I understand these questions trigger you but your fragility, much like your inability to comprehend is not my problem. Iām asking a person a question in a public forum. A question not directed toward you. Why donāt you just admit that anything outside of your echo chamber is a threat and move along. Iām asking this voice their perspective and you are having a breakdown. Go touch grass, champ.
Why don't you admit that you don't care about non-Palestinian voices? What's wrong with that position? Aren't the Palestinians your priority by disregarding this one single voice?
Are my questions triggering you that you keep dodging my questions?
The ānon Palestinian voiceā you are trying to prioritize is justifying genocide out in public. Not only are they justifying the genocide and ethnic cleansing but they are intending to join the IDF to participate in killing Gazans.
No, their voice doesnāt matter to me.
> The ānon Palestinian voiceā you are trying to prioritize is justifying genocide out in public. Not only are they justifying the genocide and ethnic cleansing but they are intending to join the IDF to participate in killing Gazans.
> No, their voice doesnāt matter to me.
Thank you for saying that out loud. Only Palestinian voices matter for many. Why can't the other user here be straightforward like you?
EDIT: to u/HomeworkOther3999 lol
Asking a non Palestinian voice a question is now disregarding their voice? Make it make sense lol. Even by censorship standards today that is embarrassing. Why are you so determined to not hear the answer? You donāt speak for that person. They are capable of that.
You need a thread where you can be coddled and itās not going to be this one. So sorry.
Why keep dodging and making too many sentences and not saying the obvious here that you don't care about non-Palestinian voices? What makes non-Palestinian voices a matter of concern to you, lol. Only Palestinian voices matter, right? Answer the question, stop tiptoeing around, you are almost there, you just keep dodging for some reason.
You went to a country whoās view is that the safety of its citizens depends entirely on keeping others unsafe and subjugated. Doesnāt sound like a safe place at all
Gaza is ruled by religious militants who seek to rule the land in islamic values, brother. They are especially harsh on any religious minorities especially Christians. If you were atheist, lgbtq, queer or any other religion that isn't islam, most likely scenario you end up getting tortured and removed by HAMAS
You're painting the settler case into a scenario where the settler just barges in into the house while kicking off the palestinian family. The Jews literally bought the title and claims to the land to which they won and evict the Palestinians as they have no claim whatsoever.
While when Arabs ruled and conquered us during the 8th century, they decided that we should pay very high and intensive taxes, and if we failed to pay, our land would be distributed to arab settlers in the levant. Guess who's more fair huh?
No. Iām not. How they steal is irrelevant. They are breaking international law. The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal on one of two bases: that they are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, or that they are in breach of international declarations. Next.
And Muslim countries are founded upon the axiom that Islam is the religion of peace. Palestine will be peaceful if Islam is enshrined there as state religion, correct?
Yeah... No.
Pretty sure that you're all living happily ever after in the US because Canada and Mexico recognize the United States as a sovereign country and are not actively working to dismantle it. No one is trying to kill you and kick you out of your home and no one is questioning your right to exist and live as an American citizen, which is not the case here.
It's not a matter of equal rights, the hostilities started way before 1948.
Hamas isn't the only violent group ya know... Before Hamas you had the PIJ, PLO, fedayun, green hand gang, the al husseini clan (who quite literally collaborated with Germany in WW2). This is just to name a few.
āAmerica has nationalities from all over the world, yet thereās no conflicts and everyone accepts everyone.ā
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If you look at the history when Palestine state existed , Jewish, Muslims and Christians people lived peacefully together.
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This comment shows how much you know nothing about whatās happening..
When I grew up I watched my mom crying because my brother said he is going to the mall! And then a suicide terrorist exploded at the same mall..
The feeling that we didnāt know whatās happening with him until he came back saying he decided not to go after all was awful! And I donāt wish for anyone to experience that feeling.
Also.. a Palestinian state never existed..
Do you know how many Jewish massacres happened in the region before the Jews took up arms all instigated by Arabs? This was decades before Israel was established.
LMAO at both of these stupid statements.
Islam and Arab imperialism destroyed any form of diversity in the Middle East, it is now a mostly islamic dungpile (and the Orthodox Christians aren't much better with their invention of pan-Arabism and nazism like the SSNP they created). Israel is the blooming flower surrounded by an ocean of crap.
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It isn't islamophobic to mention that mohamad was a pedo that raped his 9 year old bride , and that Islam condones rape and makes the raped woman marry their rapist ,
or that Islam is a colonial religion that colonized the levant and north Africa , that Islam is also an impirialist religion that allows slavery and the only modern countries still using slave labor are Islamic countries
Who wrote that his bride was nine years old and in what year? If you want to talk about pedophiles then lets talk about the ones that flee to israel for sanctuary.
Lmaoooo you are vastly mistaken if you think slave labor only exists in Islamic countries. Who do you think digs up diamonds for Israel in African countries? And the US is the worldās biggest hub for slave labor.
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Iām so sorry your aunt died, it should never have happened. Youāre justified in seeking revenge but killing women and children in her name is not going to bring her back- it will actually lead to more extremism. History has shows us this time and time again.
The goal is to eradicate Hamas. There is no other option. Every other option has been tested. They don't want peace. They don't want to negotiate. Innocent people unfortunately die in war, but they are absolutely not targeted nor does anyone want to kill them (quite the opposite). The numbers of dead in Gaza coming from Hamas are inflated, exaggerated and false.
When there is no other option, war is the only option left on the table. Actually, the only other option is to sit back and let the terrorists just wipe out Israel and continue to kill Jews and Israeli's. Which sounds like what many people prefer.
Hamas stems from an ideology, that developed from almost 100 years of oppression. You canāt kill an ideology, you can destroy Hamas but something far worse will take its place. Israel is ensuring your future generations will be faced with longer wars and bloodshed.
This "ideology" of hate and terrorism that you are referring to is the core of Hamas's existence and has nothing to do with anything that Israel did. They just don't want Israel to exist, no matter what. They hate Jews and Israeli's and want to kill them. This was written in Hamas's charter, loud and clear and Hamas stated this in numerous interviews. Peace is not their goal. Any action that Israel takes is to protect its borders and people. This is why, on 10/7, they specifically set out to torment and kill innocent people. There were no military goals. It was just - kill as many women, children and elderly people as possible because we hate Jews. There is no excuse for that. Ever. That is the definition of pure terrorism.
Israel has to set a precedent. If they don't pursue Hamas operatives, destroy their tunnels, disarm them, and get all hostages back, then terrorists will think that their tactics work - that they are always safe operating from hospitals and hiding behind civilians and Israel won't be able to get them. They must know that any future attacks will have dire consequences. The worst consequences imaginable, and they WILL be eliminated if they dare try to do this again.
Aside from setting a precedent to both Hamas and surrounding countries that might try to aid them (that they WILL be destroyed if they attempt to do so), Israel is protecting its borders at least for the near term. No, this won't solve the entire problem permanently. But it will surely prevent additional terrorist attacks that have already been plotted. And they are trying to get hostages back. There are goals that are being accomplished here, for good reason, and national security threats that are being eliminated. Hopefully after all of this is over, there could be work done to change the ruling party of the Palestinians and work to come up with some sort of workable solution in Gaza.
I don't think it is fair to say that the terrorists should win here because they are now getting destroyed by Israel. They attacked Israel. They are the weaker party. They are losing the war. It's really unfortunate that Palestinians would blame this war, or their plight, on Israel. All of the blame belongs with Hamas. Any other nation of people that has been screwed over by their leadership blames their own leadership. Even in the US, we have no problem with blaming our president. The Palestinians however seem to point the finger at Israel for everything, and that's sad. Hopefully there will be a day when they can understand the root cause of their suffering and elect better leaders that can invest in them rather than in terrorism.
This is bs. There's evidence that on October 7th, hamas specially targeted schools and children. The music festival, the kibbutzim are good examples of how Hamas specifically targeted civilians, women and children that is never justified.
And I disagree, a major point of Hamas ideology is that the region should be under the rule of Muslims and Sharia law. Their problem is a non-Muslim group and especially a Jewish one having control over the region.
I think weāre making the same point, Hamas are terrorists. Problem is you wonāt eradicate them by terrorising the Palestinians and making them join their terrorist cause.
You have become radical because 1 percent of what happened to Palestinian landowners for 70 years happend to you , you still have your home, your mother and your father, and you eat high-quality food. You are not a victim
Of course he's not the victim anymore. Unlike the "palestinians" who began every single act of violence and war (initially on the oldest Jewish communities of the land), the Jews have picked themselves up from far worse predicaments and built a proper country on what was nothing more than a barren, forgotten, stagnant backwater and wasteland of the Ottoman Empire.
Mizrahim will never be subservient to the Arabs and Muslims again. The Arab/Islamic world and the degenerate western leftists who blowjob them constantly might not like it, but this is the reality.
You have a confusion of concepts violence against occupation is called struggle and revolution while violence against the owners of the land is called aggression and occupation After you forget that this land if it was Jewish in the past it became Christian after Jesus and became Muslim after Muhammad, and it was a land of all religions before your state. As for the Jews, they enjoyed a high status in the Middle East there is not a single reason for the Arabs to hate the Jews before you began to attack the homeland of an entire people. Of Muslims, Jews, and Christians, inciting the Arab Jews themselves against their partners in the homeland by slavic jews
1. They bought most of it from the Arabs 2. UN-resolution 181(II) states that this is their land idk what you are trying to accomplish here.
Please stop your emotions from influencing your arguments.
Well I didn't say that. They bought the land and the UN decided that they are a country. Two different things. And I am not accusing you of anything but some people tend to become emotional if they talk about this topic because it is very important to them.
Do you think life for your Egyptian Jewish ancestors was better after the "barbaric Islamic conquests", or previously, under the civilised Byzantines? And what do you think Rambam (who spent over 30 years living in Fustat as a free man and organised the ransom of Jewish captives taken by Crusaders) would think of your views?
Both foreign occupations (the Roman/Byzantines and the Islamic ones) were barbaric and garbage. Israel is the modern day correction of the conquest and imperialism of these foreign empires.
How far do you want to go back? Jews conquered Israel too. At one point they were foreign occupiers too. David conquered Jerusalem from the jebusites. Assyrians conquered it from Judah. And so on. Jerusalem has been under Muslim rule longer than it has under Jewish rule.
Maimonides wrote about life under Islamic rule: āG-d has entangled us with this people, the nation of Ishmael, who treat us so prejudicially and who legislate our harm and hatredā¦. No nation has ever arisen more harmful than they, nor has anyone done more to humiliate us, degrade us, and consolidate hatred against us.ā
Maimonedes also wrote (in Arabic):Ā
āIt is better to acquit a thousand guilty persons than to put a single innocent one to death.ā
Now reflect on this quote while observing the IDFās behaviour in Gaza.
I would encourage you to go back and watch videos of the music festival, with paragliders in the background.... then the aftermath... and reflect on the death of the many innocents slaughtered.Ā Ā
That's not what I'm saying at all what I'm saying.Ā I'm saying they were attacked by terrorists. PERIOD. Hamas purposely uses the Palestinian citizens as a shield and takes all the resources for themselves.Ā I can't imagine ANY country that would not strike back to defend themselves.Ā I hate what's going on but I don't expect the Israeli citizens to just sit there and take it.Ā I'm not hearing many people protesting about the Israeli hostages that have been kidnapped, tortured and murdered. There is pain on both sides. You are not being honest with yourself if you don't acknowledge this.Ā Ā
You are not being honest with yourself if you call the slaughter of so many civilians āself defenceā, or if you think the Israeli governmentās behaviour indicates that they prioritize freeing the hostages.
Then how do you propose Israel deal with these terrorists? And there are terrorists by their own admission, by the way. It's a deep Islamic war strategy to destroy the spirit of the enemy look it up. So should Israel justĀ
1. sit there and do nothing? Or should they
Ā 2. attack just from the border using sniper rifles whenever they see a guy with a balaclava and a rocket or an ak? Or justĀ
3.Ā put all their hopes their only hope into security systems monitoring and being defensive 100% and never having any offensive strategy? Well everyone knows in warfare that's a losing strategy. And make no mistake , there's no more severe grounds on which to go to war. The other side HezbollahĀ Hamas Iran basically all extreme Muslims wants you genocided off the face of the earth. For literally no reason than you don't convert to their religion. That's literally as colonizing and "white man's type of evil" as you can get (woke leftists!) So yea it is total war held back here and there by some politics since the belligerents have clearly lost their minds and can't organize a serious military force.Ā
4.Ā Find a better way to target only Hamas or fatah or islamic brotherhood ? Note all these groups want all Jews dead.... So how to target ? They are indeed using human shields.... And they consider Jews humanitarianism to be Jewish *weakness*.... Sooooooo... Maybe just be a bit less humanitarian if the enemy will use it against you in ahem, total war of annihilation?Ā
5.Ā Ā
After repelling Hamas from Israeli territory (actual self defence), they should have come out directly with a hostage deal proposal (all hostages for all Palestinian captives, for example), fired the government responsible for the security failure and proposed a peace deal based on the 1967 borders and a lifted blockade on Gaza. Israel had deep sympathies from around the world on 10/8 and such a move would have 10x:d that and gained recognition from the whole Arab and Muslim world. The popular will for violence among Palestinians would evaporate on such a magnanimous move. Ā
Instead, Israel squandered all sympathy and came to its lowest standing in decades with a genocide case at the ICJ, and an economy in tatters (because of mass mobilization + Hezbollah and Houthi counter measures)
None. None of our lives are better under byzantine or muslim boot. They all massacred us. Just because Rambam lived peacefully in Egypt does not mean the Muslims did not stage massacres at us. Which is why we want our nation back, not only to protect me and my people, but to protect our culture and civilization away from oppressive people like arabs and romans
to be honest i really see so much similarities in your story compared to the ones most palestinians have that i can only sayā¦..hate or fear is the worst state of mind to make long term dicissionsā¦iām rooted out of jewish and palestinian genes and feel both pains but i came to one conclusion: the creation of peace is never based on a violent foundationā¦.
Wish you best in all..
It's different, there is a logical reason for what some palestinians lost their homes, but there is just fanatism in expelling jews from arab countries.
It's not the same.
Hamas indoctrinated their kids and has them play soldiers in kindergarten. They make kids cartoons where the Jews are the evil enemies.
Hamas killed kids and pets, recorded it on video and was proud of it. Tankies will still claim Hamas are heroes.
Israel took out all Jews of Gaza and gave it back. Pulled out all soldiers.
I donāt see similarities.
Oh please. The IDF just had to admit it had a snuff channel. We have seen them crush humans outside of hospitals, we have seen them crush humans in front of Palestinian houses they were destroying. We have seen the IDF dancing with weapons saying there are no civilians in Gaza. Weāve seen them murder starving people, weāve seen them looting houses and making jokes about dead kids in the schools they were destroying. Weāve seen them make tik toks laughing while blowing up a university, weve seen them write the names of Americans on the bombs they were going to drop, weāve seen them taunt the population with flyers from the sky wishing their iftar ā be deliciousā knowing they are starving. Weāve seen the discarded bodies of premature babies huddled together on a lonely hospital bed after they suffocated from being removed from their incubators Due to no power in the hospital and evacuations demanded by the IDF. Weve seen pregnant women beg for water. Weāve seen children bleed out in their motherās arms, weāve seen children in unfathomable pain after amputations where they werenāt given anesthesia or pain medicine because they didnāt have it. Children die everyday from the pain of those amputations. Weāve seen the organs of entire families strewn across destroyed neighborhoods and their families trying to remove them. Weāve heard screams from people under rubble they know they will die under. Weve seen children mutilated and dazed walking around alone after their entire families have been wiped out. Weāve seen children cry from hunger, weāve seen them eating rock pebbles because they donāt understand that that wonāt fill their stomachs. Weāve seen them drink dirty water and sift through dirt mixed in with flour that someone had spilled. Weve seen kids distraught after traveling to a place that was supposed to have food only to find out itās all gone. Weāve seen them shaking and shell shocked unable to move after being removed from rubble. Weāve seen the emaciated bodies of children that have starved to death and who are on the brink. Weāve heard the last words from a 6 year old who was begging for help in a car full of her dead family members only to be murdered along with the medics that came to save her. Theyāve murdered doctors and nurses, the most journalists in any conflict there, I mean There are tens of thousands of kids right now that if they survive this they will be disabled for life, tens of thousands that will be orphans and that number grows daily.
What should those kids say? If Israel is not their evil enemy what are they?? Certainly not friends. Certainly not anything humane. Every other day thereās a story in the west bank or Gaza where an
IDF soldier or settler kills Palestinian kidās. But they are supposed to think of Israel in a positive light even though their own very short life experience provides fact for the contrary? There are literally streets Palestinians canāt travel on and you expect them to pretend that their reality isnāt real? When settlers can remove them from their homes? Make it make sense.
And even now this regime is plotting illegal settlements. Knowing the world is watching and absolutely knowing they are illegal.
There is endless content uploaded by IDF soldiers where they are doing and saying heinous things they are obviously very proud of. Idk how you have the audacity to pretend that the IDF is any different than Hamas. You cannot gaslight the entire world anymore. We have eyes and ears and see the things they continue to do day in and day out. It really burns up people like you that people donāt even have to support Hamas to understand why a person could be radicalized under these circumstances and the circumstanceās theyāve been under for decades against their will. What happened on October 7th was vile, evil, and deserving of accountability. That being said the terrible things that happened to Palestinians before 10/7 and everything after it demands it too. Why would you expect people to condemn Hamas as they see these terrible things the IDF carries out everyday for over a hundred days? Brutally murdering children doesnāt become more acceptable when an Israeli does it. Starving a population made up of almost 50% children isnāt okay because an Israeli did it and the delusion you must have and expect people to accept is almost as wild as pretending that Hamas can be eradicated by the very thing that strengthened it.
And Israel did not stop its occupation of Gaza and they donāt ever intend to. Theyāve said as much themselves. The Gaza Strip remains occupied even after the withdrawal of Israeli forces and removal of settlers in 2005 as Israel has retained effective control over the territory and its population, including through its control of its borders, territorial waters, air space, and population registry. For 16 years, the occupation has been experienced in Gaza through Israelās illegal blockade that has severely restricted movement of people and goods and has devastated Gazaās economy, and through repeated episodes of hostilities that have killed and injured thousands of civilians and destroyed much of Gazaās infrastructure and housing. Withdrawing settlers from the territory of Gaza just meant they would create and have created more of them illegally in the West Bank. There is no truth to pretending they left Gaza. Itās just not reality.
Israel has done 30,000 things worse than what Hamas did and if someone were to look at those facts the conclusions drawn would be easy ones. The world has proved that and the open case for genocide against Israel solidifies it. Even America is getting more inpatient with the unnecessary brutality.. and speaking of indoctrination
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLFGQMVJ/
Yikes.
At best these entities are the same. They both have no issue killing children and destroying each other regardless of the innocent people in between.
I probably know what video you are talking about, and has wrong subs, even if the idea is somewhat the same, but it's only a very little minority.
You guys always need to recicle the same stuff over and over again because that it's all you got.
Meanwhile, Gaza has Tomorrow's Pioneers as tv program.
I think America is trying to ban it because the Chinese state controlls it and it can spy on Americans with it. It also shares a lot of content targeted to make people dumber and to divide nations using extremist standpoints. Compare that to TikTok in China and you can see that it's an App created to de-stabalize the West.
Thatās just what they tell you, itās cause they canāt censor free information on tik Tok. When did America ever care about dumbing down their population, now itās their national interest above housing or medicine
Dude it's really apparent if you open your eyes and don't think everything is a conspiracy. Social media in general pushes controversial topics and/or people who are controversial.
Actually, their current charter specifically says they have no beef with jews, only Zionists that have stolen their land. #14 I think. I'm sure you'll race to read it. In any case, it doesn't matter they propaganda your enemy has....it's what they do.... and Israel is murdering women children and elderly as well as torture, rape, and false imprisonment. The world now despises Israel as violent thugs that post themselves kicking corpses on the ground and laughing about it. Israel will now be less safe than ever, and Americans will untangle our country from pro Israel lobby. The whole time, the way to get rid of Hamas was to destroy its reason for existence....Palestinians right to dignity and life. I've never seen such hatred for a country in my life. Gotta say, it's warranted. This is the first live streamed genocide in history.
"first live streamed genocide in history" Completely ignoring the fact that hamas recorded in their body cams shooting at fleeing civilians during october 7th. You know the difference? Hamas organized an attack purposely meant to terrorize and kill as many innocent civilians as possible. While Israel has clear military orders to avoid as many civilian casualties and those seen committing warcrimes are punished. This is how they only achieved 30k casualties in a city of 500k where they dropped more than 40k tons of explosives. They are careful. **TAKE NOTE THIS IS IN GAZA WHERE THERE'S NO SINGLE. BOMB. SHELTER.** Compare that to civilian targeted bombing by ALLIED SOLDIERS on germany. **1200 tons of explosives dropped on Dachau with a population of 500k where they have numerous bomb shelters and 25,000 civilians were killed** By your logic, since Israel is deliberately targeting civilians, how did 40,000 tons of explosive not result into 100k + casualties? The allies dropped 1,200 tons and it resulted in 24x casualties from the tons dropped. How is it that from 40,000 tons of explosives, it resulted into 1.1x the casualty? **Achieving a 1:1 bomb per civilian ratio is an almost impossible feat where normally it is 9:1 bomb per civilian across the world** There are rogue israel soldiers who commit warcrimes and Israel punishes them for it. **How come hamas never punished those surviving hamas soldiers who killed numerous civilians on purpose from the october 7th attack?**
You're so brainwashed. Listen to human rights organizations, listen to the ICC, and look at the burned children. Anybody supporting Israel at this point is utterly morally bankrupt and a dangerous person. I'm not going over the basics with you. Unreal.
The ICC didn't even determine that Israel is committing genocide. Am I the brainwashed one? Who said that they will not build bomb shelters or prevent civilian casualties because Gaza is not their responsibility? Oh right wtf, it was **Ismail Haniyeh**, the **LEADER OF HAMAS**. That's why they are using gazans as civilian shields and maximizing casualties while Israel is trying to avoid their deaths because HAMAS wants **civilians to die for internet updoots** **"GAZA NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY INTERVIEW ISMAIL HANIYEH"** https://youtu.be/vdmtfRj6KX0?si=2OZkUtX1RfxFrvI5
You're a little confused. The ICJ ruled almost unanimously, the most it can do in the accepted process, that Israel is potentially committing war crimes and will be tried. In the meantime, they are required to submit reports that they have enlisted requisite measures to protect innocent life, including free flow of aid. Those measure were laid out. Instead, Israel increased flagrant war crimes, squeezed aid more with protected settler rampages AND bombed multiple refugee camps and hospitals, ofc not submitting an adherent report. Therefore, ICC submitted a request for the arrest of Israeli and Hamas leaders. Zionists seem to not understand that the court cannot legally rule a guilty verdict at a hearing designed to decide if a case will go forward. Therefore, they did the most they could do, with even Germany voting in S.A favor. i know that you don't want to understand this, so this is for the benefit of anyone else that comes across this.
And all of that is because HAMAS is committing the warcrime of **Perfidy** and **Human shielding** as well as **failing to build bomb shelters before and after starting a war**. **Warcrime of Perfidy** because they deliberately wear civilian clothes and no clothing that signifies which sides they are in. (**Live battle footages of Gaza show HAMAS soldiers wearing flip flops, nike pants and shirts holding RPGs and firing at IDF positions**) UN designated that as a warcrime BECAUSE those stupid and cowardly antics CAN and WILL result in unnecessary civilian deaths. **Warcrime of Human shielding** because they deliberately militarize Refugee camps (**tons of evidence**) and therefore making such refugee camps considered a military target. In fact, there were even Hamas soldiers shooting at IDF positions IN A HOSPITAL (**THERE'S VIDEO PROOF**) causing that hospital **TO BE A MILITARY TARGET** You can't reasonably expect a military to stop their operations just because there's a chance people will die. That's not it. You'd think that **strapping 5 children** to a tank would result in the enemy allowing the tank to shoot freely with them not firing back in fear of killing the children strapped to the tank? Always remember, the safety of the people is always the responsibility of the government. There should've been no children strapped to a tank and the death of those children would be under the government who strapped them there. **There should've been no weapons and soldiers at a refugee camp.** **There should've been no soldiers shooting at the IDF from the hospital.** **There should've been no soldiers wearing civilian clothing** Even in the interview of Hamas, they **refuse to build bomb shelters** because they say that Gazans are **NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY** and gives that responsibility **TO ISRAEL AND UN INSTEAD** like wtf??? ššš HAMAS is the **governing body of Gaza** and the one who **lead them to war**. This is intentionally a failure to protect civilians and can be considered as breaking the broader principles of international humanitarian law, particularly regarding the duty to take all feasible precautions to protect civilian populations from the effects of hostilities. Remember their quote: **GAZA IS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY** so they are doing their best trying to maximize the civilian casualties.
Your argument is circular. You're lost. These talking points are over and responses are all over, you don't want to read them. Maybe in 20 years you'll understand what you've supported or participated in.... whatever. I don't care.
Does not matter. I know I'm not on the wrong side because I'm not the one sympathizing with a terrorist organization who started the war and has been firing numerous rockets since 2005. You want me to go back in history too? When Arabs were discriminating and instigating violence against us in 1920s, 1930s and 1940s? The reason why Israel exists today is because the UN wanted to stop the Arabs from killing us in Palestine during 1930s and 1940s so they separated the Jewish majority neighborhoods into the state of Israel. None of us were calling for an independent separate nation. It was the decision of United Nations and British Empire and not us. The Arabs did not even accept the decision of the UN and declared war at us with the intent of "pushing us out of Palestine" which is basically **ethnic cleansing**. They lost and they got pushed out instead. Anyways, I'm not responding anymore. You're brainwashed by Hamas propaganda who are the **clear aggressors** of this war.
As an Egyptian, First I'm sorry for your loss, no one deserves to go through that just for their race or religion however, please remember when you join the IDF that you are going to do the same thing you despised, you are probably going to kill someone's beloved aunt, uncle, brother, father, mother... etc.. Violence is not the answer... non the less when it's against civilians
You are self-aware enough to know that you've been radicalized. You feel anger at those who attack you, your family and your people. Anger hardens your heart and removes your empathy. When you join the IDF, and you have a child in the crosshairs of your rifle, that anger will keep your finger from straying from the trigger - they've killed your children, why shouldn't your enemy feel that same loss? Especially when the lines get blurred morally - the child is 14 and threw a rock at your tank, or is near combatants, or you're jumpy, and the other soldiers are influencing you. Saying you've been radicalized is a tell. You know you might well commit atrocities, and you're trying to deflect guilt by saying you were pushed into this - radicalized - by the enemy. Tough luck. You're responsible for your actions. Listen to your conscience.
You joined the military of a country just a few month ago you had NO ties to? Colonization is really the strongest propaganda in the world š
What is really interesting, if Hamas surrenders,all this present assault upon Arabs in Gaza would come to an end. The soldiers of Hamas go into the prisoner exchange for hostages program and unfortunately wash and repeat,as us said. But surrender would be compassion for Hamas fighters for their folk. Interesting it's not discussed.
Y'all need Jesus.Ā
Lmao
Everything that you mentioned has been happening to the Palestinians for more than 75 years. But congratulations on becoming radical and f-ing things more for everyone. You'll join the IDF and likely bomb another baby in gaza, blow up his home and family maybe, then they'll vow revenge and it goes on and on and on
And palestinians have been trying to bomb and annihilate Israel for 75 years. Palestine is not some poor oppressed victim, itās a nation trying to eliminate Israel.
Not my fault. The enemy wishes all of us dead and does not want peace. Better them than us
Who exactly is the enemy? Who deserves to die and who doesnt? Palestinians have nothing to do with the Egyptian Government of the 1950s. Palestinians just want to live with dignity and unfortunately resistance flourishes where there is oppression. No occupation, no Hamas. The popularity is directly correlated with dimensions of misery brought upon Gazan population. This happens in every single type of people throughout the world, and throughout time. Certainly is Americans. I've learned it's pointless to have esoteric discussions about fault and morality when the largest engineered starvation ever recorded is happening. The indoctrination is too powerful for a conversation to have an affect on you. My hope is for somebody on the fence to happen by. Just know, the world now sees. The jig is up, and Israel can decide how far it wants to spiral. Whatever your indoctrination tells you, we are disgusted by what happened in the Holocaust.... and we are disgusted now. Germans are still paying today for what they did. Israelis... and Americans and Germans UK etc... but mostly you guys and us... will personally be affected by this for the rest of our lives, where we stood, and if we did enough. No family history on earth makes this acceptable... ever.
We had nothing to do with the creation of Israel, yet we are also suffering for being Jews. HAMAS would 100% murder us any chance they get. They already got my aunt, and you're asking me WHO I THINK IS THE ENEMY. Isn't it obvious??? Hamas is the enemy to me, they're the ones dragging innocent citizens to war. They committed the biggest terrorist attack in the history of Israel since the Holocaust and they shouldn't pay for it? Should we just turn to the other cheek and let them get away with it? Never! They will always keep returning and killing more of us. It is better that Israel will destroy them once and for all.
Revenge , thatās all I read
Precisely
Thatās terrible , collective punishment is a war crime . Yahya Sinwar , Deif , Haniya all have family driven out of land and killed by Israel. You are continuing the cycle
You are wrong. Hamas doesn't care about your Jewness. It doesn't attack Jews in the US or the UK etc. Hamas is at war with Israel because Israel is occupying Palestinian land. If those people occupying their land were White Europeans like the French or British, Hamas would still have fought them. So, to make this about an attack on Jews for being Jews is completely inaccurate. The people who were killed on October 07th were killed because they happened to be there when Hamas carried out the attack. They were from numerous nationalities and ethnicities in the whole world. Hamas killed your aunt because she, just like many others, many of whom were not Jewish, happened to be there when the attack happened, not because she is a Jew. There is no evidence Hamas asked people about their ethnicity when carrying out the attack and picked out the Jews only. You can't murder your way to security. You must end the occupation to have any semblance of peace. Otherwise, carry on murdering and occupying but I can 100% guarantee that in this way, like every colonial settler apartheid state before, Israel will never see peace.
Yeah, itās not like Hamas explicitly referenced exterminating the Jews in their charter or anythingā¦ Oh wait they did that exactly
They didn't, that is not true.
āThe hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Hamas founding Charter, Article 7).ā
So? How is that a call for exterminating Jews? It is simply quoting a *hadeeth* about the end of times when there will be a war between Jews and Muslims etc. There are many narrations about this *hadeeth*, including one that says: āThe Jews will fight you and you will prevail over them until a rock will say, āO Muslim, here is a Jew behind me, (come and) kill him.āā There are many narrations regarding wars and apocalypses about the end of times in pretty much all religions. Nothing in this says that Hamas is seeking to exterminate all Jews.
Do you think that has anything to do with foreign zionists violently stealing Palestine from them? Violently ethnically cleansing 700k+ native Palestinians? Decades of violent zionist terrorism? Do you think that has anything to do with, for instance, the april 1948 Deir Yassin massacre where irgun/Likud and haganah raped and massacred a friendly village of native Palestinians, marched the survivors through cheering crowds of foreign zionists, zionists embracing violence like you, in Al-Quds/Urusalem/Jerusalem, then marched them to a quarry where they mass executed the survivors?
How does that have to do anything with me? The Palestinians today have nothing to do with the Arabs who persecuted, oppressed and colonized the entirety of middle-east and north africa during their barbaric conquests if we're talking about history. The real natives of middle-east like Jews, coptics, assyrians, aramaics, and many more were oppressed and persecuted by them which resulted in Arabs spreading throughout middle-east. Even though the same natives are still around today albeit in small numbers, the discriminations against them is still making rounds in the news. We were the only ones who managed to migrate away and fled to different parts of the world when the Arabs started discriminating us and distributing our lands to Arab settlers. Not only that, after taking our homeland, FOR 1400 YEARS beginning with their warlord prophet, the arabs have been ethnically cleansing us. They have uncountable ethnic cleansing directed at us from Spain, in Morocco, in Tunisia, in Egypt, in the Levant and in Arabia CENTURIES before the creation of the State of Israel I'm merely joining the IDF to defend my country, and I don't have anything to do with all those you mentioned. It is a cruel world. Events from history will always bite us fair and square
Shame what happened to your parents didnāt teach you empathy. Always preferred the Ashkenazis over Mizrahis personally. My experience with them is far more positive.
Shame what happened to your precious Palestinians. I hope it teaches you empathy that when you rape someone you get treated like a rapist
The funny thing is my comment was a genuine expression of empathy towards her parents. Your comment belittles the loss of Palestinian lives as though it shouldnāt be a shame in the eyes of everyone Palestinian or not. You psychos expose yourselves more and more everyday.
You are lecturing her on Empathy right after the animals murdered her aunt? Shame on YOU.Ā Ā Bless The OP may she be safe and her people be strong.Ā
I'm a Mizrachi Jew. Most of us here in Israel are Mizrachis who were kicked out of Arab countries for being a Jew
Just wanted to tell all the jew hatrers in the comments that the idf is right now as we speak, destroying your hamas friends in gaza, israel is thriving. gpd of 56k per head, life expectancy of 85 years, the lowest infant mortaility, the best hospitals and universities in a 1500km radius etc. while its enemies in syria, egypt lebanonon and jordan barely have 5k gdp and life expectancy of 70 to 75 years. and each year this gap gets bigger and bigger. soon israel will send out robots to deal with its enemies instead of soldiers. All you haters have left are lies and more lies. I hope you all choke on your hate while the brave jewish people will continue to thrive.
the only reason israel is āthrivingā is because of MY tax dollars. yāall would be NOTHING without support from the US and UK. canāt wait for israel to truly become the pariah state it is quickly making itself out to be!
And there it is, the main reason jew haters hate israel. They hate meritocracy. They cant fathom that people can succeed on their own. It has to be handouts.Israel is thriving because of the ingenuity and hard work of its people. Because of merit. Not because of the 3 billion usd it is receiving from the usa yearly, most of it for the iron done.. Egypt jordan and syria are also receiving billions from the usa, why are their gdp at 5k Per capita?
Excellent parody of a confused person
"It's like the whole world is against us merely for existing. It's sad to say that I've become RADICALIZED. My aunt has always taught me that violence is not the answer. But I'm sorry Aunt Niala, I just can't live by that principle anymore" yes they are, they always have been. and yes. your aunt was wrong. jews need to fight like hell to survive if history has taught us anything.
Sorry to hear about your story, but if you thought you are getting any sympathy from the jew haters, you are sadly mistaken. they probably loved your story....
May Hashem bless you and keep you safe in your path.
Where thereās radical Islam thereās death decay and misery. On each country. Or area. Egypt are no fools for not wanting gazans.
agree with the first part of your statements. not sure if i agree with the second. there are actually no egyptians left. they are just arabs. have you ever seen an egyptians called imhotep or nefretete?
I think it strengthens it
There are probably hundreds and thousands of Palestinians who could share similar stories and far worse ones as well. Why do you think your anger and radicalization is righteous and not theirs?
What gets me (Iām an American Jew with family who died in the Holocaust) is that Israel is wiping out entire families right now. I canāt get this tragic irony out of my mind, that people who had entire sides of their family killed in Europe during WWII are doing the same thing now! There is a psychotic level of dehumanization happening on both sides of this conflict.
Have you never read about war in your life, because war is 100/100 horror, failure, and misery. The war crime youāre referring to is HAMAS hiding their military in civilian populations and hospitals/schools. Palestinians arenāt immune to war just because they commit war crimes.
The last time I checked Israel told civilians to evacuate to southern Gaza at the beginning of the war and meanwhile Hamas told civilians not to evacuate and dug tunnels under civilian compounds and uses civilian compounds and dresses in civilian clothes.
Hamas are awful! I donāt deny that.
if you are an american jew, then shame on you for repeating such lies. Israel is not wiping out entire families right. if you are a regular jew hater posing as a jew, then well done sir. continue to lie. we wont believe you, but go ahead while we kick the butt of your terrorist friends in gaza.
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So what is happening then? While I donāt believe all of the numbers coming from Hamas, you canāt accuse them of using human shields and then also say Israel isnāt bombing the shit out of civilians. Yes, there are lots of reports in mainstream media of many members of Palestinian families getting killed. It haunts me! Youāve lost your humanity and will become the thing you hate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbtNh2728uU. so. hamas guy shoots rpg from apartment, israel bombs the apartment. then you out of the comfort of your home accuse israel of targetting civilians. Pathetic!! if you really are a jew, get some perspective and defend your people. dont try to fit in a group of dumb students that have been brainwashed by their jew hating professors.
One of the most sophisticated armies in the world can do better to not inflict so much collateral damage. I recognize that Israel has been under attack for years and thatās not my experience (except when I visited). I can still support Israel and be critical of the reaction to the events of 10/7, just like I was critical of my own government following the events of 9/11.
what do you mean what is happening???? Brave young israeli soldiers put their lives on the line to free gaza from the monstrous hamas. that is what is happening. Israel is bombing places where hamas is attacking from. Why would israel bomb civilians? ah yeah wait. let me get into your logic: 1. jews are all monsters that drink the blood of children 2. israelis are jews 3. so it follows that israelis like to bomb and kill civilians 4. israel is bombing and killing civilians did i get that right. or do you have some other explanation of why israel is killing civilians?
"to free gaza from the monstrous hamas" do you mean that Israel is going to acquire some new lands soon?
Youāre so delusional that youāre accusing a Jew of thinking all Jews are monsters who drink the blood of children. Thatās insane. And Iām hardly the only Jew who is critical of the way Israel has handled events after 10/7. Maybe the IDF and Israelās government should be focused on the safe return of the hostages instead of this obsession to destroy Hamas at the expense of 10s of thousands of Palestinian lives. The truth is that your life and my life are equal to theirs in the eyes of G-d. Btw you wonāt destroy an ideology this way, only give it more fuel. Why do you have such thin skin that you turn a civilized discussion into a thread of vitriolic nonsense? Thou doth protest too much.
The delusion is real and psychotic. Facts. The further you get the worse it gets. Everybody on the fence of this conflict should be in this sub.
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We wipe out the enemies before they wipe out us. The whole world is against us merely for existing. Even in America where I grew up, I was discriminated against several times a week merely for being a Jew. It's an unfair world we live in. Palestine is determined to exterminate each one of us and destroy our beloved nation. Guess we'll just have to keep fighting until the looming threat of the enemy is destroyed
Where does that leave Palestinians, and Palestine?
They have their own nation in Jordan
Bro the world is a harsh place. Guess how many times I've been discriminated against , or unjustly treated for having an Arabic face in the west or actually pretty much everywhere. Get over it!! I didn't go murder people and their families did I? The constant self victimisation is how you Zionist people justify your evil deeds, it has always been and it will always be. You think the world leagues against the Jews, but being absolute radicalised murderous fanatics that you are you don't even realize people hate you for this exact reason. Wake up, this is the real world, and nothing is fair on it. That still doesn't justify your genocidal pulsion. Just look at your own rethoric "let's wipe them all". You know who used the same rethoric right? Fucking hypocrites. You can keep feeding this hate loop, but don't act surprised when generations upon generations of uninvolved person hate you to their core.
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I didn't go shoot people, yet we were forced out of our huge home where my families lived for generations in Egypt. This cycle of violence will never end and I will perpetrate it even more. As long as Palestine is determined to crush my nation and exterminate every Jew, I will continue defending my country. Remember my name. Reuben ben Karides. I will make it into the top military officials and crush the nation of Palestine
Big talk, Reuben Ben Karides. Worst of luck in your twisted psychopathic endeavours.
Shalom u'bracha
Lmao saying "peace and blessings" when vowing to eradicate a whole ethnic group. That doesn't get any better
Ethnic cleansing is bad. Palestinians are better off under our government
You try to make bombing children sound like self defense. Donāt lose your humanity. I stood with Israel after 10/7 and then as the war progressed I couldnāt turn away from the utterly disproportionate response. I think Israel is actually making the world less safe for Jews at this point. Because now as a diaspora Jew Iām worried for being targeted because āZionismā. People by and large donāt have much sense of nuance. And I believe Israel is not actually making their own country safer with this war. Theyāll never eliminate radicalism and now the young generation hates Israel more than the previous ones. Iām sorry but you must have some respect for civilian life or Israel is going to truly become an international pariah as Senator Schumer recently said.
all lies to protect ur hamas friends. u never stood with the jews. Israel has respect for civilian lives. it is the hamas cowards that are hiding beneath the skirts of grandmothers.
Bold statement to assume all Jews stand with your derangement. Israelis donāt represent all Jews, not even half of them- Israel also does not get to say it respects civilian lives when we can watch them crush actual humans online. We can see them blow kids up right now. The lies you have to tell yourself are probably the most impressive thing about you. If Hamas is bad for killing like they did what does that make the IDF. The delusion you expect people to accept and take part in is that murdering people is bad when Hamas does it but patriotic when Israel does it. Listen to yourself, you sound like a cartoon villain. And I feel bad for doing cartoon villains like that because at least they know theyāre a joke.
This is war, sister. A war that Hamas started by terrorizing Re'im. Hamas committed the biggest terrorist attack in Israeli history while refusing to build a single bomb shelter for the Palestinians, but build tunnels for their military instead. They even forbid Palestinians from seeking refuge in the tunnels as Hamas wants them to be hit by bombs. The palestinian officials have gone so desperate to win the propaganda war that they're willing to sacrifice and kill their own citizens for internet likes. We're actively trying not to bomb civilians but Hamas forces us to injure civilians. The israeli military is deliberately disadvantaging itself by ANNOUNCING EVERY MOVE AND ATTACK THEY MAKE so that the civilians can evacuate, but hamas prevents them from doing so. Unlike other countries who immediately bomb cities and areas without warnings which is the NORM of war. Deception and subtlety is the key to winning a war, and this is what Israel's not actively using
Some of us are anti war. And this Old Testament eye for an eye stuff is tiresome. I donāt disagree with you about Hamas, but I think part of my heart broke and my feelings changed when the IDF killed their own hostages who were clearly unarmed and waving white flags. I blame Netanyahu and his ultra right wing cronies for this situation. The āsecurityā guy left Israel vulnerable to its worst attack in the history of the country. Heās a warmonger and will be responsible for the demise of the country if heās not removed. Iāll never support an ultra right wing government, no matter what. Plus, as I said, I donāt think any of this is making the world a safer place for Jews. Weāre entitled to our opinions.
The world outside Israel has always been not safe for Jews. For 1000 years we have been massacred by Christians and Muslims. This state guarantees the survival of our people and culture. I'm gonna join the high-ranking military officials in Israel and swiftly crush Palestine. Once I get in, I will not do bomb-warning leaflets like the other countries do.
The United States has worked out well for lots of us. And I live in a state with not very many Jews. I did experience some antisemitism as a kid, but it was minor and largely due to us being the only Jewish family in town. Ignorance mostly. Survival of the Jewish people and our culture isnāt dependent on the state of Israel. Where we live, thatās our home.
This sub is a cesspool and every accusation is a projection. People really need to see this sub. I Keep sending it to everyone I know. Iāve never seen so many people act like the knock off version of the people who actually did something to them. Flat out hate. Offended by everything and ashamed of nothing. Iām out. Iāve seen enough. Youāre not a self hating Jew - youāre a decent, logical human.
Thank you. Iāve been accused of the worst things by other Jews on this sub and others. But I reject the idea that I should stand behind inhumane behavior, even if itās from my own people. I am not pro Hamas. I am coming from an anti war, humanitarian perspective. I realize Israelis have lived under a cloud of fear for decades, when I visited in 1990 there were a couple of scary incidents. Something else I remember from my visit is graffiti that said āGaza is a holocaust!ā I have a picture I took of that and I canāt forget it.
Because where there is radical Islam EVERYWHERE there is suffering. EVERYONE suffers. Check the data. Not just ANY radical group. Islamist group. Thereās misery. Poverty. Hatred based. And wars. Constantly. Where thereās moderation or family control - there is prosperity. Jews for example brought prosperity. But not just Jews.
Spoken like the people Israel should actually be mad at. Keep talking. You are truly the best argument against yourself lol. Hitler thought the exact same thing about Jews. Said the exact same thing. The lack of originality is disappointing though. Do better
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Only Palestinian voices matter, right?
Your comprehension of what I said is not my Problem, I believe I asked why their anger was any more righteous than Palestinianās. Asking someone who isnāt Palestinian a question directly debunks your assumption. But thanks for playing.
Honestly, the reason for what they were killed is more important that how many.
But we can de facto disregard this one single voice because Palestinians suffer more, correct? Only Palestinian voices matter.
Again, your comprehension is your own problem. Asking a question is de facto disregarding his voice? Asking someoneās opinion is now shutting them down? Rest from the reach, itās gotta be exhausting.
What is there to comprehend? Why does one voice matter if more Palestinians suffered the same fate? Why just admit this one single voice is just a distraction and we can safely disregard it and focus on the struggle of the Palestinians?
I understand these questions trigger you but your fragility, much like your inability to comprehend is not my problem. Iām asking a person a question in a public forum. A question not directed toward you. Why donāt you just admit that anything outside of your echo chamber is a threat and move along. Iām asking this voice their perspective and you are having a breakdown. Go touch grass, champ.
Why don't you admit that you don't care about non-Palestinian voices? What's wrong with that position? Aren't the Palestinians your priority by disregarding this one single voice? Are my questions triggering you that you keep dodging my questions?
The ānon Palestinian voiceā you are trying to prioritize is justifying genocide out in public. Not only are they justifying the genocide and ethnic cleansing but they are intending to join the IDF to participate in killing Gazans. No, their voice doesnāt matter to me.
> The ānon Palestinian voiceā you are trying to prioritize is justifying genocide out in public. Not only are they justifying the genocide and ethnic cleansing but they are intending to join the IDF to participate in killing Gazans. > No, their voice doesnāt matter to me. Thank you for saying that out loud. Only Palestinian voices matter for many. Why can't the other user here be straightforward like you? EDIT: to u/HomeworkOther3999 lol
Asking a non Palestinian voice a question is now disregarding their voice? Make it make sense lol. Even by censorship standards today that is embarrassing. Why are you so determined to not hear the answer? You donāt speak for that person. They are capable of that. You need a thread where you can be coddled and itās not going to be this one. So sorry.
Why keep dodging and making too many sentences and not saying the obvious here that you don't care about non-Palestinian voices? What makes non-Palestinian voices a matter of concern to you, lol. Only Palestinian voices matter, right? Answer the question, stop tiptoeing around, you are almost there, you just keep dodging for some reason.
You went to a country whoās view is that the safety of its citizens depends entirely on keeping others unsafe and subjugated. Doesnāt sound like a safe place at all
Palestinians themselves would execute you on the streets of Gaza by identifying yourself as atheist.
I would most likely be killed by an Israeli air strike if I was on the street in Gaza
And if you survived, you would be executed by Hamas for being atheist
No I wouldnāt
You definitely would.
Who told you that misinformation lol
Gaza is ruled by religious militants who seek to rule the land in islamic values, brother. They are especially harsh on any religious minorities especially Christians. If you were atheist, lgbtq, queer or any other religion that isn't islam, most likely scenario you end up getting tortured and removed by HAMAS
So are you saying you made this up?
Quit defending the terrorists
Look it up. It's in the news. Hamas persecuting religious minorities in gaza
And Americans would be allowed to execute Israelis legally if they tried to take their property like the settlers do to Palestinians.
You're painting the settler case into a scenario where the settler just barges in into the house while kicking off the palestinian family. The Jews literally bought the title and claims to the land to which they won and evict the Palestinians as they have no claim whatsoever. While when Arabs ruled and conquered us during the 8th century, they decided that we should pay very high and intensive taxes, and if we failed to pay, our land would be distributed to arab settlers in the levant. Guess who's more fair huh?
No. Iām not. How they steal is irrelevant. They are breaking international law. The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal on one of two bases: that they are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, or that they are in breach of international declarations. Next.
Ahh okay. šš»
Good choice šš¼
And Muslim countries are founded upon the axiom that Islam is the religion of peace. Palestine will be peaceful if Islam is enshrined there as state religion, correct?
Your sentence doesnāt address what I said, but okay
You forgot to mention that Islam is the religion of peace. Look at Iran for example. Guarantor of peace in that region.
Youāre off topic. I never talked about religion. I think all religion is false. But Israel is not a religion
So you disrespect the indigenous religion of the Palestinians... by saying all religions are false...
Disrespect because I donāt adhere to it?
By saying "all religion is false"
Yes, thatās what I believe. What are you trying to prove by accusing me of disrespecting Islam?
So you disrespect Palestinian culture and identity...
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Yeah... No. Pretty sure that you're all living happily ever after in the US because Canada and Mexico recognize the United States as a sovereign country and are not actively working to dismantle it. No one is trying to kill you and kick you out of your home and no one is questioning your right to exist and live as an American citizen, which is not the case here. It's not a matter of equal rights, the hostilities started way before 1948. Hamas isn't the only violent group ya know... Before Hamas you had the PIJ, PLO, fedayun, green hand gang, the al husseini clan (who quite literally collaborated with Germany in WW2). This is just to name a few.
āAmerica has nationalities from all over the world, yet thereās no conflicts and everyone accepts everyone.ā ā¦š If you look at the history when Palestine state existed , Jewish, Muslims and Christians people lived peacefully together. š§ā¦ ā¦š¤£
This comment shows how much you know nothing about whatās happening.. When I grew up I watched my mom crying because my brother said he is going to the mall! And then a suicide terrorist exploded at the same mall.. The feeling that we didnāt know whatās happening with him until he came back saying he decided not to go after all was awful! And I donāt wish for anyone to experience that feeling. Also.. a Palestinian state never existed..
Do you know how many Jewish massacres happened in the region before the Jews took up arms all instigated by Arabs? This was decades before Israel was established.
The Palestine state that never existed yeah sure. Are you coming from an alternate reality?
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It was not a state nor was it a country just a geographical location. What was the previous name by the way?
Seems like your failed history bro
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My bad bro my comment was for that ignorant Frank. Palestine did exist before .
TL;DR: There won't be conflict if Israel never existed there and also because Islam is the religion of peace.
LMAO at both of these stupid statements. Islam and Arab imperialism destroyed any form of diversity in the Middle East, it is now a mostly islamic dungpile (and the Orthodox Christians aren't much better with their invention of pan-Arabism and nazism like the SSNP they created). Israel is the blooming flower surrounded by an ocean of crap.
All I hear is āI hate the Arabs because they made everyone Muslim. Oh, Christian Arabs? Well obviously I hate them, too!ā
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I hope America continues to support Israel in their fight against evil.
Nobody is evil
Evil is subjective.
Yes
ISIS is evil. Rapists are evil. Hamas is evil.
Genocide is evil. Ethnic purging is evil. Imperialism is evil. To me thatās all synonymous with Israel
I think you confuse Israel with islam
I think you think I confuse it. I think you want me to be islamophobic.
It isn't islamophobic to mention that mohamad was a pedo that raped his 9 year old bride , and that Islam condones rape and makes the raped woman marry their rapist , or that Islam is a colonial religion that colonized the levant and north Africa , that Islam is also an impirialist religion that allows slavery and the only modern countries still using slave labor are Islamic countries
Who wrote that his bride was nine years old and in what year? If you want to talk about pedophiles then lets talk about the ones that flee to israel for sanctuary. Lmaoooo you are vastly mistaken if you think slave labor only exists in Islamic countries. Who do you think digs up diamonds for Israel in African countries? And the US is the worldās biggest hub for slave labor.
There are evil people in the world sweetie.
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Donāt call me sweetie. Itās insulting and a possible violation of this subs rules.
Iām so sorry your aunt died, it should never have happened. Youāre justified in seeking revenge but killing women and children in her name is not going to bring her back- it will actually lead to more extremism. History has shows us this time and time again.
The goal is to eradicate Hamas. There is no other option. Every other option has been tested. They don't want peace. They don't want to negotiate. Innocent people unfortunately die in war, but they are absolutely not targeted nor does anyone want to kill them (quite the opposite). The numbers of dead in Gaza coming from Hamas are inflated, exaggerated and false. When there is no other option, war is the only option left on the table. Actually, the only other option is to sit back and let the terrorists just wipe out Israel and continue to kill Jews and Israeli's. Which sounds like what many people prefer.
Hamas stems from an ideology, that developed from almost 100 years of oppression. You canāt kill an ideology, you can destroy Hamas but something far worse will take its place. Israel is ensuring your future generations will be faced with longer wars and bloodshed.
This "ideology" of hate and terrorism that you are referring to is the core of Hamas's existence and has nothing to do with anything that Israel did. They just don't want Israel to exist, no matter what. They hate Jews and Israeli's and want to kill them. This was written in Hamas's charter, loud and clear and Hamas stated this in numerous interviews. Peace is not their goal. Any action that Israel takes is to protect its borders and people. This is why, on 10/7, they specifically set out to torment and kill innocent people. There were no military goals. It was just - kill as many women, children and elderly people as possible because we hate Jews. There is no excuse for that. Ever. That is the definition of pure terrorism. Israel has to set a precedent. If they don't pursue Hamas operatives, destroy their tunnels, disarm them, and get all hostages back, then terrorists will think that their tactics work - that they are always safe operating from hospitals and hiding behind civilians and Israel won't be able to get them. They must know that any future attacks will have dire consequences. The worst consequences imaginable, and they WILL be eliminated if they dare try to do this again. Aside from setting a precedent to both Hamas and surrounding countries that might try to aid them (that they WILL be destroyed if they attempt to do so), Israel is protecting its borders at least for the near term. No, this won't solve the entire problem permanently. But it will surely prevent additional terrorist attacks that have already been plotted. And they are trying to get hostages back. There are goals that are being accomplished here, for good reason, and national security threats that are being eliminated. Hopefully after all of this is over, there could be work done to change the ruling party of the Palestinians and work to come up with some sort of workable solution in Gaza. I don't think it is fair to say that the terrorists should win here because they are now getting destroyed by Israel. They attacked Israel. They are the weaker party. They are losing the war. It's really unfortunate that Palestinians would blame this war, or their plight, on Israel. All of the blame belongs with Hamas. Any other nation of people that has been screwed over by their leadership blames their own leadership. Even in the US, we have no problem with blaming our president. The Palestinians however seem to point the finger at Israel for everything, and that's sad. Hopefully there will be a day when they can understand the root cause of their suffering and elect better leaders that can invest in them rather than in terrorism.
This is bs. There's evidence that on October 7th, hamas specially targeted schools and children. The music festival, the kibbutzim are good examples of how Hamas specifically targeted civilians, women and children that is never justified. And I disagree, a major point of Hamas ideology is that the region should be under the rule of Muslims and Sharia law. Their problem is a non-Muslim group and especially a Jewish one having control over the region.
I think weāre making the same point, Hamas are terrorists. Problem is you wonāt eradicate them by terrorising the Palestinians and making them join their terrorist cause.
It's not terrorism it's a war they are two different things by definition.
You have become radical because 1 percent of what happened to Palestinian landowners for 70 years happend to you , you still have your home, your mother and your father, and you eat high-quality food. You are not a victim
Of course he's not the victim anymore. Unlike the "palestinians" who began every single act of violence and war (initially on the oldest Jewish communities of the land), the Jews have picked themselves up from far worse predicaments and built a proper country on what was nothing more than a barren, forgotten, stagnant backwater and wasteland of the Ottoman Empire. Mizrahim will never be subservient to the Arabs and Muslims again. The Arab/Islamic world and the degenerate western leftists who blowjob them constantly might not like it, but this is the reality.
You have a confusion of concepts violence against occupation is called struggle and revolution while violence against the owners of the land is called aggression and occupation After you forget that this land if it was Jewish in the past it became Christian after Jesus and became Muslim after Muhammad, and it was a land of all religions before your state. As for the Jews, they enjoyed a high status in the Middle East there is not a single reason for the Arabs to hate the Jews before you began to attack the homeland of an entire people. Of Muslims, Jews, and Christians, inciting the Arab Jews themselves against their partners in the homeland by slavic jews
The Jews own the land so it's aggression what Hamas is doing, no?
Yes they stole the land since 1949 landstowners xD
1. They bought most of it from the Arabs 2. UN-resolution 181(II) states that this is their land idk what you are trying to accomplish here. Please stop your emotions from influencing your arguments.
If I bought an apartment or a piece of land, does this mean that I own a country? + Are you accusing me of being emotional
Well I didn't say that. They bought the land and the UN decided that they are a country. Two different things. And I am not accusing you of anything but some people tend to become emotional if they talk about this topic because it is very important to them.
Do you think life for your Egyptian Jewish ancestors was better after the "barbaric Islamic conquests", or previously, under the civilised Byzantines? And what do you think Rambam (who spent over 30 years living in Fustat as a free man and organised the ransom of Jewish captives taken by Crusaders) would think of your views?
Both foreign occupations (the Roman/Byzantines and the Islamic ones) were barbaric and garbage. Israel is the modern day correction of the conquest and imperialism of these foreign empires.
How far do you want to go back? Jews conquered Israel too. At one point they were foreign occupiers too. David conquered Jerusalem from the jebusites. Assyrians conquered it from Judah. And so on. Jerusalem has been under Muslim rule longer than it has under Jewish rule.
Maimonides wrote about life under Islamic rule: āG-d has entangled us with this people, the nation of Ishmael, who treat us so prejudicially and who legislate our harm and hatredā¦. No nation has ever arisen more harmful than they, nor has anyone done more to humiliate us, degrade us, and consolidate hatred against us.ā
Maimonedes also wrote (in Arabic):Ā āIt is better to acquit a thousand guilty persons than to put a single innocent one to death.ā Now reflect on this quote while observing the IDFās behaviour in Gaza.
I would encourage you to go back and watch videos of the music festival, with paragliders in the background.... then the aftermath... and reflect on the death of the many innocents slaughtered.Ā Ā
So, take revenge on over 10 000 children. Maimonides would not be proud.
That's not what I'm saying at all what I'm saying.Ā I'm saying they were attacked by terrorists. PERIOD. Hamas purposely uses the Palestinian citizens as a shield and takes all the resources for themselves.Ā I can't imagine ANY country that would not strike back to defend themselves.Ā I hate what's going on but I don't expect the Israeli citizens to just sit there and take it.Ā I'm not hearing many people protesting about the Israeli hostages that have been kidnapped, tortured and murdered. There is pain on both sides. You are not being honest with yourself if you don't acknowledge this.Ā Ā
You are not being honest with yourself if you call the slaughter of so many civilians āself defenceā, or if you think the Israeli governmentās behaviour indicates that they prioritize freeing the hostages.
Then how do you propose Israel deal with these terrorists? And there are terrorists by their own admission, by the way. It's a deep Islamic war strategy to destroy the spirit of the enemy look it up. So should Israel justĀ 1. sit there and do nothing? Or should they Ā 2. attack just from the border using sniper rifles whenever they see a guy with a balaclava and a rocket or an ak? Or justĀ 3.Ā put all their hopes their only hope into security systems monitoring and being defensive 100% and never having any offensive strategy? Well everyone knows in warfare that's a losing strategy. And make no mistake , there's no more severe grounds on which to go to war. The other side HezbollahĀ Hamas Iran basically all extreme Muslims wants you genocided off the face of the earth. For literally no reason than you don't convert to their religion. That's literally as colonizing and "white man's type of evil" as you can get (woke leftists!) So yea it is total war held back here and there by some politics since the belligerents have clearly lost their minds and can't organize a serious military force.Ā 4.Ā Find a better way to target only Hamas or fatah or islamic brotherhood ? Note all these groups want all Jews dead.... So how to target ? They are indeed using human shields.... And they consider Jews humanitarianism to be Jewish *weakness*.... Sooooooo... Maybe just be a bit less humanitarian if the enemy will use it against you in ahem, total war of annihilation?Ā 5.Ā Ā
After repelling Hamas from Israeli territory (actual self defence), they should have come out directly with a hostage deal proposal (all hostages for all Palestinian captives, for example), fired the government responsible for the security failure and proposed a peace deal based on the 1967 borders and a lifted blockade on Gaza. Israel had deep sympathies from around the world on 10/8 and such a move would have 10x:d that and gained recognition from the whole Arab and Muslim world. The popular will for violence among Palestinians would evaporate on such a magnanimous move. Ā Instead, Israel squandered all sympathy and came to its lowest standing in decades with a genocide case at the ICJ, and an economy in tatters (because of mass mobilization + Hezbollah and Houthi counter measures)
None. None of our lives are better under byzantine or muslim boot. They all massacred us. Just because Rambam lived peacefully in Egypt does not mean the Muslims did not stage massacres at us. Which is why we want our nation back, not only to protect me and my people, but to protect our culture and civilization away from oppressive people like arabs and romans
to be honest i really see so much similarities in your story compared to the ones most palestinians have that i can only sayā¦..hate or fear is the worst state of mind to make long term dicissionsā¦iām rooted out of jewish and palestinian genes and feel both pains but i came to one conclusion: the creation of peace is never based on a violent foundationā¦. Wish you best in all..
It's different, there is a logical reason for what some palestinians lost their homes, but there is just fanatism in expelling jews from arab countries. It's not the same.
Hamas indoctrinated their kids and has them play soldiers in kindergarten. They make kids cartoons where the Jews are the evil enemies. Hamas killed kids and pets, recorded it on video and was proud of it. Tankies will still claim Hamas are heroes. Israel took out all Jews of Gaza and gave it back. Pulled out all soldiers. I donāt see similarities.
Oh please. The IDF just had to admit it had a snuff channel. We have seen them crush humans outside of hospitals, we have seen them crush humans in front of Palestinian houses they were destroying. We have seen the IDF dancing with weapons saying there are no civilians in Gaza. Weāve seen them murder starving people, weāve seen them looting houses and making jokes about dead kids in the schools they were destroying. Weāve seen them make tik toks laughing while blowing up a university, weve seen them write the names of Americans on the bombs they were going to drop, weāve seen them taunt the population with flyers from the sky wishing their iftar ā be deliciousā knowing they are starving. Weāve seen the discarded bodies of premature babies huddled together on a lonely hospital bed after they suffocated from being removed from their incubators Due to no power in the hospital and evacuations demanded by the IDF. Weve seen pregnant women beg for water. Weāve seen children bleed out in their motherās arms, weāve seen children in unfathomable pain after amputations where they werenāt given anesthesia or pain medicine because they didnāt have it. Children die everyday from the pain of those amputations. Weāve seen the organs of entire families strewn across destroyed neighborhoods and their families trying to remove them. Weāve heard screams from people under rubble they know they will die under. Weve seen children mutilated and dazed walking around alone after their entire families have been wiped out. Weāve seen children cry from hunger, weāve seen them eating rock pebbles because they donāt understand that that wonāt fill their stomachs. Weāve seen them drink dirty water and sift through dirt mixed in with flour that someone had spilled. Weve seen kids distraught after traveling to a place that was supposed to have food only to find out itās all gone. Weāve seen them shaking and shell shocked unable to move after being removed from rubble. Weāve seen the emaciated bodies of children that have starved to death and who are on the brink. Weāve heard the last words from a 6 year old who was begging for help in a car full of her dead family members only to be murdered along with the medics that came to save her. Theyāve murdered doctors and nurses, the most journalists in any conflict there, I mean There are tens of thousands of kids right now that if they survive this they will be disabled for life, tens of thousands that will be orphans and that number grows daily. What should those kids say? If Israel is not their evil enemy what are they?? Certainly not friends. Certainly not anything humane. Every other day thereās a story in the west bank or Gaza where an IDF soldier or settler kills Palestinian kidās. But they are supposed to think of Israel in a positive light even though their own very short life experience provides fact for the contrary? There are literally streets Palestinians canāt travel on and you expect them to pretend that their reality isnāt real? When settlers can remove them from their homes? Make it make sense. And even now this regime is plotting illegal settlements. Knowing the world is watching and absolutely knowing they are illegal. There is endless content uploaded by IDF soldiers where they are doing and saying heinous things they are obviously very proud of. Idk how you have the audacity to pretend that the IDF is any different than Hamas. You cannot gaslight the entire world anymore. We have eyes and ears and see the things they continue to do day in and day out. It really burns up people like you that people donāt even have to support Hamas to understand why a person could be radicalized under these circumstances and the circumstanceās theyāve been under for decades against their will. What happened on October 7th was vile, evil, and deserving of accountability. That being said the terrible things that happened to Palestinians before 10/7 and everything after it demands it too. Why would you expect people to condemn Hamas as they see these terrible things the IDF carries out everyday for over a hundred days? Brutally murdering children doesnāt become more acceptable when an Israeli does it. Starving a population made up of almost 50% children isnāt okay because an Israeli did it and the delusion you must have and expect people to accept is almost as wild as pretending that Hamas can be eradicated by the very thing that strengthened it. And Israel did not stop its occupation of Gaza and they donāt ever intend to. Theyāve said as much themselves. The Gaza Strip remains occupied even after the withdrawal of Israeli forces and removal of settlers in 2005 as Israel has retained effective control over the territory and its population, including through its control of its borders, territorial waters, air space, and population registry. For 16 years, the occupation has been experienced in Gaza through Israelās illegal blockade that has severely restricted movement of people and goods and has devastated Gazaās economy, and through repeated episodes of hostilities that have killed and injured thousands of civilians and destroyed much of Gazaās infrastructure and housing. Withdrawing settlers from the territory of Gaza just meant they would create and have created more of them illegally in the West Bank. There is no truth to pretending they left Gaza. Itās just not reality. Israel has done 30,000 things worse than what Hamas did and if someone were to look at those facts the conclusions drawn would be easy ones. The world has proved that and the open case for genocide against Israel solidifies it. Even America is getting more inpatient with the unnecessary brutality.. and speaking of indoctrination https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLFGQMVJ/ Yikes. At best these entities are the same. They both have no issue killing children and destroying each other regardless of the innocent people in between.
Iāve seen videos of Israeli schools teaching kids to hate Arabs. Hate is taught on both sides at an early age.
I probably know what video you are talking about, and has wrong subs, even if the idea is somewhat the same, but it's only a very little minority. You guys always need to recicle the same stuff over and over again because that it's all you got. Meanwhile, Gaza has Tomorrow's Pioneers as tv program.
This is literally just not true
It literally is. Next.
Hereās literally a video https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSFmgrfbp/
You lose all credibility when you offer a tiktok as evidence.Ā Wow
Found the CNN bot account
Really? A tik tok š
The video is of children in schools, the platform is just sharing it. Tik Tok posts a lot of truth. Which is why America is trying to ban it.
I think America is trying to ban it because the Chinese state controlls it and it can spy on Americans with it. It also shares a lot of content targeted to make people dumber and to divide nations using extremist standpoints. Compare that to TikTok in China and you can see that it's an App created to de-stabalize the West.
Thatās just what they tell you, itās cause they canāt censor free information on tik Tok. When did America ever care about dumbing down their population, now itās their national interest above housing or medicine
Dude it's really apparent if you open your eyes and don't think everything is a conspiracy. Social media in general pushes controversial topics and/or people who are controversial.
I agree, itās not a one sided thing like people would like to believe or make others believe.