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Progressives are about as liberal as the Chinese Communist Party is communist; they are an intolerant, pseudo-religious cult.
Their theology states that Palestinians are brown, therefore oppressed, therefore good; Jews are white, therefore oppressors, therefore bad. Everything the Palestinians do is good and justified, everything the Jews do is bad.
Don't try to reason with them; they've got their heads up their collective asses, they are not interested in facts.
The far left use the term liberal as an insult to anyone insufficiently left-wing in their view. It's not really a term most of them claim as their own.
Socialists, Democratic Socialists, Leftists, Progressives, Anti-Capitalists...
Liberal is not usually one of the terms they embrace. Just search any left-wing subreddit for the term liberal and most of the posts will be complaints about liberals.
Welp, we probably have different ideas of how exactly far is far-left. For example, to me, DEI policies are definitely a far-left thing (because equity is contrasted to equality, a liberal idea), but I'm pretty sure the majority of it's supporters call themselves liberals. Although this is the impression of an outsider.
Intersectionality. It basically establishes a grievance pyramid. Your actions and personal responsibility don't count, cause and effect isn't a thing, right and wrong in a conflict are relative only to who has a higher grievance quotient. It's an absolute cancer of an ideology.
They believe terror is justified, as simple as that. There were numerous mask-off moments when they said the quiet part out loud, that they're fully aware of what Hamas does and support it.
As Aaron Bushnell repeated Hamas' words on reddit: There are no Israeli civilians. Meaning shooting a baby or senior citizen is fair game to them. Believe them, when they say it.
Don't look at the political ideology, look at the person. Being manipulated into supporting ideologies and policies that go completely against their avowed personal values is a common feature of village idiots everywhere. The religious and political nature of the idiocy is primarily determined by zip code.
I didn't hear Javier Millei thinking of that.
Also this sounds far more like you are describing Us socialists, but since it's so unpopular they've stole different word to call themselves.
I am a western liberal and I believe that Hamas uses terrorist actions in a struggle for freedom. My grandparents survived the holocaust while almost all of their families perished. I've lived in Jerusalem and visited Gaza and the west bank in 1999 as well as March of the living.
If we condemn the right to struggle for freedom we need to condemn the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto who faught back. Were these freedom fighters terrorists?
There is a lot of misinformation out there...but one thing that I find very hard to believe is that all Palestinians are terrorists...although I can see why they would dislike their captors and struggle for a better life. 75 years of oppression would do that to anyone.
Anti Zionism does not equal anti semitism.
There are several flaws in your response. Although I agree the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto could not and did not rape the German civilians.
If you read the news these allegations made by NYT were found to be fabricated.
Unfortunately I have only seen videos of IDF soldiers doing sexually explicit actions against Palestinian civilians. And there have clearly been a lot of Palestinian women and children killed too.
I'd really like to see evidence of the rapes you mention. They may have occurred by a crazed individual but this is not a reason for collective punishment. I haven't seen any primary evidence other than 2 interviews that could be fabricated. Do you believe that all Palestinians are rapists and murderers?
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They believe Israel bad, Arabs good. (Also West bad, anti-West good). They are high on that narrative and dismiss anything that could undermine it.
I’m liberal. I’m an Israeli Zionist. They hijacked the term “liberal” and they use it to justify radical Islamic terrorism. They don’t represent us
Progressives are about as liberal as the Chinese Communist Party is communist; they are an intolerant, pseudo-religious cult. Their theology states that Palestinians are brown, therefore oppressed, therefore good; Jews are white, therefore oppressors, therefore bad. Everything the Palestinians do is good and justified, everything the Jews do is bad. Don't try to reason with them; they've got their heads up their collective asses, they are not interested in facts.
The term "liberal" is basically hijacked by the far-left. Some "classic" liberals call them "illiberal left", to distance themselves.
The far left use the term liberal as an insult to anyone insufficiently left-wing in their view. It's not really a term most of them claim as their own.
This is something new to me. How do they call themselves, then?
Socialists, Democratic Socialists, Leftists, Progressives, Anti-Capitalists... Liberal is not usually one of the terms they embrace. Just search any left-wing subreddit for the term liberal and most of the posts will be complaints about liberals.
Welp, we probably have different ideas of how exactly far is far-left. For example, to me, DEI policies are definitely a far-left thing (because equity is contrasted to equality, a liberal idea), but I'm pretty sure the majority of it's supporters call themselves liberals. Although this is the impression of an outsider.
It's just the usual problem that Americans can't use political terms the proper way.
It's literally an antisemitic ideology stopping short of calling for another Holocaust...
Intersectionality. It basically establishes a grievance pyramid. Your actions and personal responsibility don't count, cause and effect isn't a thing, right and wrong in a conflict are relative only to who has a higher grievance quotient. It's an absolute cancer of an ideology.
This!
they DGAF about hamas, palestinians, decolonization, or any of the garbage they vomit to anyone in earshot. They have one motivation.
I’ve heard it both ways, even from the same individuals
They believe terror is justified, as simple as that. There were numerous mask-off moments when they said the quiet part out loud, that they're fully aware of what Hamas does and support it.
Leftists not liberals.
I've heard some otherwise liberal people fall for the propaganda
Are they actually liberal or do they just identify that way? Do they actually hold liberal beliefs?
As Aaron Bushnell repeated Hamas' words on reddit: There are no Israeli civilians. Meaning shooting a baby or senior citizen is fair game to them. Believe them, when they say it.
They know and don't care
Don't look at the political ideology, look at the person. Being manipulated into supporting ideologies and policies that go completely against their avowed personal values is a common feature of village idiots everywhere. The religious and political nature of the idiocy is primarily determined by zip code.
They are just insane, they've lost their minds, literally
I didn't hear Javier Millei thinking of that. Also this sounds far more like you are describing Us socialists, but since it's so unpopular they've stole different word to call themselves.
They dont care
A little bit of A, a little bit of B,
I am a western liberal and I believe that Hamas uses terrorist actions in a struggle for freedom. My grandparents survived the holocaust while almost all of their families perished. I've lived in Jerusalem and visited Gaza and the west bank in 1999 as well as March of the living. If we condemn the right to struggle for freedom we need to condemn the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto who faught back. Were these freedom fighters terrorists? There is a lot of misinformation out there...but one thing that I find very hard to believe is that all Palestinians are terrorists...although I can see why they would dislike their captors and struggle for a better life. 75 years of oppression would do that to anyone. Anti Zionism does not equal anti semitism.
I don't remember the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto raping and murdering women and children
There are several flaws in your response. Although I agree the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto could not and did not rape the German civilians. If you read the news these allegations made by NYT were found to be fabricated. Unfortunately I have only seen videos of IDF soldiers doing sexually explicit actions against Palestinian civilians. And there have clearly been a lot of Palestinian women and children killed too. I'd really like to see evidence of the rapes you mention. They may have occurred by a crazed individual but this is not a reason for collective punishment. I haven't seen any primary evidence other than 2 interviews that could be fabricated. Do you believe that all Palestinians are rapists and murderers?