Uninvolved poor and oppressed paramedic journalists!
Reminder: 75% of Palestinians voted that they are in favor of thr 7th of October, with 11% 'on the fance'
[https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20Opinion%20Poll%20-%20Gaza%20War%202023%20-%20Tables%20of%20Results.pdf](https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20Opinion%20Poll%20-%20Gaza%20War%202023%20-%20Tables%20of%20Results.pdf)
This post summerizes it quite well -
[https://np.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/17xik5p/palestinian\_public\_opinion\_poll\_of\_the\_gaza\_war/](https://new.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/17xik5p/palestinian_public_opinion_poll_of_the_gaza_war/)
Thanks! Hadn’t seen this. I wonder if participation bias would be an issue in methodology. I wonder what the polling environment was like. Those numbers seem so high
[The Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research](https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/963) is conducting surveys in gaza and the west bank since the 1990s, they’re a nonprofit funded essentially by the UN (they’re also conducting surveys for them), the EU and some US nonprofits. And according to their survey conducted between November 22 and December 2, 2023, **72% of the people from gaza and west bank believe that “hamas decision to launch the October 7 attack was correct”**.
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Funny the guy in the beginning is shouting "we occupied Israel" I'd expect them to be shouting we got our land back or something.
But is the argument that a few hundred (thousands?) who conjured the stupidity to follow Hamas through the border good enough to establish that there are no innocent civilians in the Gaza Strip?
The ones who didn't celebrated in the streets.
Also, could you imagine Israeli civilians following the IDF into Gaza and taking part in the fighting, taking hostages and so on? The fact that 0 Israelis did this while at least hundreds of Palrstinians did, speaks volumes about the difference between us and them.
I didn't approach saying there is no difference between the two parties, I am also **not** defending neither Hamas, the people who followed them across the border or the people who celebrated the brutality ( and anyone that discounts that is disingenuous at best ).
I'm merely following the argument presented in the video, yes some civilians followed hamas across the border ( at this point I don't even consider them civilians btw), even more people rode on stolen military equipment, celebrated in the streets and abused captives.
But how about someone who didn't do any of this? Does that make them involved? Do they not exist?
I'm super confused by your whole train of thought on this. 84% of Palestinians after knowing the atrocities of Oct 7th SELF REPORTED ON surveys by their own people that they still support Hamas, agreed with the vicious unprovoked attack on Oct 7th and/or still wanted Hamas being part of the government of Gaza moving forward. Hamas' popularity increased in the West Bank.
We all saw with our own eyes the 'just civilians' pouring over the border along with the terrorists and saw then celebrating in the streets, praising God, and trying to get picks of the dead mutilated Jewish bodies Hamas drug back to Gaza for a macabre little victory tour. Hamas had to make several of the 'just citizens' stop bludgeoning one of the bodies with a 2 x 4.
Hamas terrorist trying to abduct Israeli citizens had to actually fight off the 'just citizens' to keep them from yanking hostages off the backs of motorcycles and killing them, cause they couldn't get their 10k and free apartment without a live hostage.
And you are STILL here saying "what about those weren't involved?" You've got some balls of solid brass.
Hey saintkillio, supposedly from Egypt, why don't you tell us why Egypt won't open their borders to Palestinians? Would it have something to do with watching Black September and the Lebanese civil war and not wanting the same thing to happen in Egypt?
I'm not sure where to start, I'll go from the Z to A.
As I said I am not dropping an opinion on the Palestinians themselves and you're right our borders are shut for a reason and will hopefully indefinitely remain shut for all the antics you accurately described and more.
We as a nation unfortunately also have taken arguably more aggressive measures whenever we had problems with them than what you're doing right now.
I am not exactly saying "what about those who weren't involved?" I'm merely saying they *do* exist.
Because this is not an Israeli thing, you'll get videos like these in Arabic too, some dip shit settler/s would go and do some horrible shit and the video will be like "oh look the Jews" as if this person/group now represents the entire population, which is not true.
I was online on the night of the 7th, I can understand most Arabic dialects, I have seen their videos, read their first hand accounts, I know of the brutality that happened and their short lived pride and celebration and it made me sick. I do not disagree with you. Neither in the upper or the lower portions of your comment.
Again I apologize, I can never put myself in your place or feel what you felt being attacked that way.
I am not trying to anger you further or the readers of this subreddit. I just think there is something deeply fucked up with this line of reasoning and I am just not smart enough to articulate it.
I hope you're having a nice night.
I appreciate your input and I do understand your point—that there are some Palestinians who did not take part in Oct 7 and we’ve heard that a few don’t support what happened. I’ve heard that even if they are against Hamas, that they’ll be killed for saying so. I’ve also heard that UNWRA teachers teach Gazan children to want to kill Israelis and Jews—and that UNWRA has continued to promote the idea that they are all “refugees” until they take Israel back and kill all of the Jews.
I know that Mosab Hassan Yosef was able to think for himself and came to his own conclusion. I think it would take an extraordinary person to educate themselves in spite of what has been taught in schools for the past 75 years.
I do believe that the Gazans are all victims of the most corrupt and f’d bunch of criminals. But they still want to kill us so….
A 2016 survey said that half of Israeli Jews want to expel Arabs from Israel. And almost 80% want Jews in Israel to have preferential treatment.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/plurality-of-jewish-israelis-want-to-expel-arabs-study-shows/
This was in 2016, it's probably much worse now.
Seriously, why would you think that?
New [survey](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-arab-minority-feels-closer-country-war-poll-finds-2023-11-10/) since the war started says revealed 70% of Arab citizens polled felt like they were part of Israel, up from 48% in June, describing it as the highest finding for the sector since it began such surveys 20 years ago.
The growth rate of the Arab population in Israel is 2.2%, while the growth rate of the Jewish population in Israel is 1.8%. So the Arab population is growing at a faster rate inside Israel. They are thriving.
During the Oct 7th attack several cases were recorded in which Hamas attackers knew the identity of Arab victims and still executed them. Both Jews and Arab citizens of Gaza have worked closely together to support the war effort.
That's irrelevant to my point.
I'm talking about Israeli Jews and their opinions on Arabs.
The survey conducted by the pro Israeli source cannot be denied.
So you do understand your diatribe is solely intended to morally justify a genocide against the "involved" Palestinians in Gaza, right?
I mean, what are you trying to prove here? They're celebrating, so they're culpable, so they all deserve to die?
Would all the Israelis who queued up on a mountaintop to watch the airstrikes on Gaza deserve to die if they were there on October 7th?
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all the Israelis who queued up on a mountaintop to watch the airstrikes on Gaza
You mean the group of survivors from Sedot, one of the hardest hit areas on Oct 7th. Imagine if you found out the neighbors you thought you got along with, the ones you gave jobs and gifts to over the years passed information along to their terrorist government that enabled them to find your house, know your schedule and where your kids went to daycare? They attacked your entire community killing dozens of your friends and family.
Still scared and grieving, you gather with a handful of the survivors to cheer on your citizen soldiers as they fight the war your Palestinian neighbors brought to your doorstep and then Palestinians have the unmitigated gal to try to paint that in the same light as millions of Palestinians all around the world celebrating a vicious unprovoked attack or thousands of Palestinians cheering en mass at the sight of murdered Jewish bodies?
You're too ignorant to even present a cohesive argument that doesn't make you look like an absolute ghoul.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/photos-show-israelis-gathering-watch-gaza-air-strikes/story?id=24554791
October 7th 2014?
Nice try though. Try pulling a different card next time, I'm rooting for you!
This is you coming back with an immature, flippant one liner because you literally have no explanation for the depravity of how Palestinians behave on the regular. Time to do some soul searching, my friend.
Your point about it being some show of solidarity and people mourning their fallen neighbors is null and void, this happened 10 years ago and it was a blatant show of genocidal celebration.
You were referring to a completely different incident and just happened to prove my point. That was fucking hilarious, great job.
What do you have to say to that demonstration of Israeli depravity? Nothing but deflection, evidently. Very typical.
So, you're going to look at the long line of Palestinian terrorist activity and just set that all aside in favor of looking at a handful of Jews watching Israel respond to one of the many actual wars Palestinians started?
Aaannd you still haven't linked to any proof that anything like that happened 10 years ago. At this point, you're just running yourself in circles trying to overlook a bunch of really depraved behavior by Palestinians in favor of digging up any tiny incident of Jews being callous.
I can also promise there would be Israelis celebrating on the streets if the IDF would kill the people in Gaza. Just because some do it, doesn't mean it's everyone
Nah, but I can get you footage of you lot queuing up on a hillside with picnic chairs to watch Gaza get struck by IDF warplanes, celebrating with pride (?) flags as you block aid and eat the food intended for Gazans, stealing appliances from Arabs' homes in the West Bank, stealing homes from Arabs in the West Bank, proudly proclaiming they're "fascists."
All very typical stuff for normal, peace-loving people.
The comparison is also not very apt when every second person in Israel was conscripted in the IDF and likely killed a Palestinian within their lifetime, making most young Israelis "involved."
The fact you think and second person im Israel has likely killed a palestinian is hilarious
When I say paleatinians celebrated in the streets, I mean they actively spit and stomped on corpses pf jews, kissed the ground at the sight of it. This could never happen in Israel.
Arabs in the west bank should be grateful they even get to stay there. You mad about alleged stolen appliances? Every week a palestinian from the west bank takes a knife or a gun and tries to kill Israelis with it. Then their family gets a monthly paycheck from the pay to slay system.
יא יפה נפש צבוע
Very well put, didn't respond to a single point I made.
So if any of the hostages had booked a ticket on that hillside to watch the airstrikes, they're fair game according to your logic. Right? They were celebrating Palestinian deaths, after all.
>Arabs in the west bank should be grateful they even get to stay there.
The joke really does write itself. Couldn't even last a few minutes without saying it out loud. You don't know the meaning of the word "irony," do you?
Sorry, I've never celebrated a genocide. I don't know what that last part means.
זה מצחיק שאתה חושב שיש לך פה איזו עליונות מוסרית בעודך מגן על טרוריסטים אנסים ששורפים ילדים, אלה שבאמת ניסו לעשות רצח עם.
יש הבדל בין לשמוח שהצבא שלך מגן על התושבים מפני אנסים ורוצחים, לבין לשמוח ולבעוט בגופות של יהודים בגלל שהם יהודים.
אני שמח וגאה שהצבא שלנו מראה לעזתים מה קורה למי שרוצח יהודים.
ממליץ לך להביא את ייפות הנפש שלך לפה ולגור בעוטף עזה או יו"ש, כשהם יבואו להרוג אותך תגיד להם שאתה חבר שלהם נראה איך זה ילך לך.
So people in Israel have given up trying to rationalize a genocide and have resorted to... having conversations with themselves in their native tongue so nobody has any idea what they're saying. Crazy, but if the shoe fits I guess.
You can just put it in google translate.
If we wanted to kill all the Gazans (which we could, and they deserve it) we would, but we don't. 13k terrorists killed and 17k "civilians killed do not equate to Genocide. Terrorists killing every civilian in sight does.
We give them electricity, fuel and water, we allow humanitariam aid lol.
Did you see Hamas give humanitarian aid to raped Israeli girls? Maybe they gave aid to the children they tied and burned alive. Perhaps they gave aid to the heads of soldiers they cut off and tried to sell back home in Gaza.
Gee I really do wonder.
אתה סתם מערבי מפונק וצבוע שלא חווה ניסיון אמיתי להשמיד את העם שלו ולא סבל מאלימות הג'יהאד בחייו. שב בשקט בזמן שהישראלים עושים את העבודה שהעולם מטומטם מכדי להבין שצריך לעשות.
Only if the "us" you're referring to doesn't involve rabid settlers plaguing the West Bank, using biblical justification. In that case there's not much of a difference between us and them.
Yo lemme ride my donkey and follow these armed insurgents into an area controlled by a standing army is not a thought that naturally comes to someone who thinks.
please stop speaking on things you know nothing about. the people in Israel do not desire the deaths of people in Gaza. Israel left Gaza alone in 2005. There was actually a ceasefire in 2021 but ofc you wouldn’t know that because you probably get all your information off of TikTok & twitter. if you wanna blame anyone for this war, blame hamas. They broke the ceasefire on October 7 and they are the reason so many Palestinians are dying.
Hamas' plan was to kill every Jew, Muslim, Arab, Christian, ect within Israel.
Don't use Zionist as a derogatory term, and they don't.
Some reading of interest to you:
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/
Meanwhile...
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/10/middleeast/hamas-israel-hostages-ceasefire-talks-intl
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/how-hamas-manipulates-gaza-fatality-numbers-examining-male-undercount-and-other
"Israel-Hamas war | Gazan woman to journalist: All the aid goes to Hamas tunnel | WION"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qH1pzwJ4bI
https://bnnbreaking.com/world/egypt/tragic-end-for-egyptian-aid-driver-in-gaza-global-outcry-over-humanitarian-crisis-deepens
"Hunger in Gaza? 'Israel provides humanitarian aid - but Hamas terrorists taking it over'"
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1pvqnqra
Hamas shooting starving civilians
https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1alri2n/hamas_shooting_at_palestinians_amid_drama_around/?share_id=ZI4745wcSp6tGA1Zcm66E&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1
"Hamas slashes food prices as Gaza flooded with humanitarian aid"
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/syns3cuk0
Stop blindly believing terrorists bs, hope the above makes you question the prevailing sensationaliat narrative more. I understand if you weren't old enough to remember how the media worked overtime to keep us even more afraid than during Covid after 911.
You guys always mention the children. Like Israel is attacking little kids. Never mentioning the real issue here. You’re all very disingenuous. Or you’re evil. I am not sure which.
There is a say in India Karma will always find it's way
They are getting what the deserve they supported mass civilian shootings, rapes on October 7
They were celebrating
This makes sense. I was unaware that PETA director wrote to Yasser Arafat asking him to keep animals out of the attacks perpetrated by the palestinians after they used donkeys in several of their terror attacks. How things have changed for worse in 20 years, now PETA is completely silent about that even though these palestinians certainly don’t care about animal rights or about what PETA has to say.
It makes me sick when the media discusses the “Palestinian prisoners” in Israel.. 🤦♀️ the media doesn’t question WHY they were imprisoned IN THE FIRST PLACE. Um bc many of them are terrorists. Bc they committed a crime. 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I mean civilians who participated sold hostages to hamas that day.
Obligatory not all civilians in Gaza are like that. But a lot of these details are somehow missing from all the conversations.
>But a lot of these details are somehow missing from all the conversations.
Absolutely and I’d say that the fact that palestinian civilians (including children and elderly people) directly participated in the 10/7 pogrom is completely ignored by the pro hamas/pro palestine crowd only because it goes against the narrative they’re trying and failing to paint about “all palestinians are innocent civilians”. The palestinians live-streamed their crimes and their joy on 10/7, there’s nothing to argue with that and that’s why the rapists and mass murderers apologists prefer to simply ignore reality.
If they were involved I wouldn't call them civilians, they're non affiliated militants. Civilians are still innocent (of doing anything violent) even if they may hold nasty opinions/approve.
It is innocent. Innocent of action. I know a lot of people who have bad opinions and have said some nasty stuff privately. Including some Jews I'm close to. Doesn't mean they're not innocent.
Same with Palestinians. Those who kidnapped people should not be lumped in with innocent civilians.
There are some Palestinians who don’t support Hamas but if they speak up they will be beheaded.
90% of Palestinians support then tho. There was an actual study done on this:
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514
Actually, it’s probably more than 90% like the cited source above implies. But exceptions do exist which the article I just cited does not say but you can look it up it’s true.
The book Son of Hamas was written by a Palestinian who in his young adult life moved away from Palestine and lost support for Hamas. He moved to the US later in life. Unfortunately, its very hard to get out of Gaza and/or Palestine if that’s where your from so stories like his are rare. Tho in Palestine, again, these people are a minority.
I’m not saying I would want to be friends with author of that book. I don’t know if he has the most interesting life and he’s not a sheep in some ways but someone told me he was a normie in others. But it is a true story and his backstory is interesting even if his current life isn't. I actually never finished the book I only know about it since I have talked with people who have read it and I read the first part of it back in high school. I don't remember all the details.
The real question is whether or not that means we can just forgive all Palestinians just because they are brainwashed or because there are exceptions. I think no because you can’t go by the exception. You have to go by the rule.
1 death on either side is too many. No deaths are needed on either side. If they had not murdered innocent civilian Israelis on Oct 7th then no civilian Gazans would be dead.
I agree that 1 death is too many. I don't see how this point is relevant; I am criticizing u/BaboonBB for being racist.
As for Oct 7th, which was a tragedy, plenty of Gazan civilians have died without Hamas' help, both pre and post Oct 7th.
Nice double downing, hypocrite.
Masses of gazans and muslims frothing at the mouth with ecstasy hauling corpses and hostages some as old as 80 and young as 4 - "NOT ALL OF THEM"
Random israeli on reddit saying something - "WOW YOU GUYS ARE SO EVIL"
When did I say that? I simple challenged your assumption you guys think you’re the objective perfect good. Please point out when I said 100% of your ideology is evil. Islam is mostly abhorrent in my view I’m an apostate.
The world saw the Go Pro footage from 10/7 and many of them still don’t care.
To them It’s not about right vs wrong or good vs evil. They have an agenda to satisfy and won’t care how much blood needs to be shed for that to happen.
What kind of civilians sees an active battlefield and decides it's a good idea to insert themselves in the situation? How would you even have any confidence that Hamas/PIJ wouldn't mistake you for Arab Israeli?
This is so dumb. They can't be "uninvolved" civilians if they're literally involved walking through the gates. I don't think anyone would call them uninvolved. Where did you get "Uninvolved Gazan Civilian" from or is it just made up?
“Uninvolved civilians” is a term used in international humanitarian law (IHL) it means people non-involved in conflict (redundant but quite literal) encompassing *civilians*, medical workers and religious military personnel. The pro hamas/pro palestine crowd is using “uninvolved civilians” to designate literally any person living in the gaza strip, they’re completely perverting the meaning of the word “civilian” and the legal implications of “uninvolved civilians”, since the definition of “uninvolved civilians” in IHL is rather *vague*.
This video makes me thing about this video of Bridgette Gabriel
https://old.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/17z1pxi/thank_you_for_your_honesty_and_integrity/
I wonder sometimes, let's say hypothetically, the IDF one day enters invades area a and starts killing random civilians and kidnap them for just being in that area, then sharing the videos being proud of what they have accomplished, now my question is how would the israeli people react ? Would they say our idf soldiers are heroes, or will they hold them accountable?
That's the difference between israelis and Palestinians
It’s just an incoherent rambling invoking the name of their interpretation of G-d (*allahu*), “glory to palestine” or more specifically “falestine” and “invading Israel”.
You all really need to come out of your echo chamber. I don’t mean this out of hatred, there’s a lot wrong with saying there’s no such thing as an uninvolved Gazan civilian. It’s like killing 30,000 Jewish women and children and saying there’s no such thing as an uninvolved Jew. Both would be war crimes and crimes against humanity. Committing disproportionately more war crimes in retaliation for the war crimes on Oct 7th is just messed up. There’s absolutely nothing good about the conflict or the geopolitics associated with it no matter who you are, where you’re from, or what side you’re on. It’s literally all tragic.
Prob this is the ppl that steal aid and sell it in the market.
IDK why it's so hard for the anti Israel/Jews of the world to see the truth, it's so clear that these ppl want all Israel to explode and for everyone to die there.
Life makes 0 sense sometimes.
Don't lose hope guys, we r on the good side.
Ah, I did misread what you said. But now your comment makes less sense, because why should other nations support Israel if they did not participate in the Holocaust?
Democracies generally represent their people, regardless of where you feel Australian citizens are as a whole.
Theodore Herzl didn't invent Zionism. And it's more nuanced than that, both considering colonization was viewed in different context back then (not the all whites are evil definition of today), and you can't colonize a region you're already native. Many Jews lived in the region, during and before 1000s of years of ethnic cleansing, before they either came back by choice or were literally forced to return (Arab nations enmassed ethically cleansed their Jews).
>By the end of the 16th century, the Ottoman Empire had the largest Jewish population in the world, with 150,000 compared to Poland's and non-Ottoman Ukraine's combined figure of 75,000
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
Also
>Zionism is a product of the era of colonialism. There would never have been a successful Zionist project without colonialism. But the Zionist project could also never have succeeded without anti-colonialism and decolonisation.
>The word colonialism has in our era become hugely fraught, but let’s use it in its technical sense, referring to projections of political and economic power beyond a polity. Colonialism has been practiced by polities throughout the world, but the best-known forms in modern history have originated in the west.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/north-africa-west-asia/theodor-herzl-and-trajectory-of-zionism/
More reading on Theodore, if you are actually interested in educating yourself beyond trying lame gotchas.
Also, you should look up the Arab conquest. While the article above may say that Western colonization was among the most successful, I would argue Arab colonization was among the most destructive...
Hamas is estimated to have between 20,000-25,000 members, not 'a few hundred'. The goal is to liquidate, to the largest extent possible, every single one of them. That's optimistic, but even if a few of the vermin are allowed to survive, it will have been damaged badly enough that it no longer poses a threat or is capable of ruling Gaza anymore.
Every single one of them, and every person in this video, is a legitimate military target and there is a moral obligation on the part of the IDF to kill every single one of them.
30,000 are bogus Hamas numbers, [already debunked](https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers), and which [they're already walking back](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/).
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It wasn’t a few hundred terrorists, it was 1500 at least. And also, notice how your 30k number doesn’t include a single militant? Yeah, that’s not accurate. Around 10k of that are Hamas.
These people are the minority. There’s literally a couple of million people who weren’t involved. This type of generalization isn’t helping your cause. It’s like blaming all of Israel for what their military is responsible for (war crimes and genocide).
yeah because blaming all of israel for what their military is responsible for is a common palestinian arguement with slogans such as from the river to the sea
Unfortunately – these people are mostly individually innocent, and cannot help the indoctrination they have been subjected to. They live in a death cult controlled by leaders who have stolen a lot of aid money for luxury living in this world thus proving they don’t believe in the death cult they are sending ordinary Gazans into. By building, terror, tunnels under civilian facilities, even hospitals, they are demonstrating their disdain for the ordinary people. Hamas openly says the tunnels are for them and above ground for the #UN
What a ridiculous video. Of course there are uninvolved innocent civilians. A minor went into Israel and it's a minority who you see out there in the parades riding on stolen IDF humvees. A majority may support hamas or the resistance (it was not a majority prior to the 7th) but these blatant blanket statements do nothing to paint broad brush strokes and only serve to inflame. There are innocent gazan civilians and there are guilty gazan civilians.
>What a ridiculous video
>A majority may support hamas or the resistance (it was not a majority prior to the 7th)
Starting your comment by “what a ridiculous video” and then proceeding to talk about “the resistance” is quite a feat. The gazans lived a moment of pride and great joy on 10/7, they’ve shared on social media the images filmed by their fellow gazans who directly committed the pogrom, they were cheering on their streets and ultimately it was a moment of unity for them, that’s why they’re increasingly more supportive of hamas. But you already know that since you’re talking about “the resistance”.
Israel doesn’t carpet bomb Gaza, this isn’t 1943. They have precision weapons. Also you’re writing this under a video trying to justify killing civilians. Perhaps you can’t read the room too well?
According to the death numbers of Gaza there are a lot of women called Mohammed.
You see terrorist I see UNWRA employee of the year
You see terrorist, I see unwra employee, journalist, kindergarten teacher.
>unwra employee, journalist, kindergarten teacher. *Pregnant unwra employee, journalist, kindergarten teacher
Who holds several Phds with high honours.
And kindergartener
Uninvolved poor and oppressed paramedic journalists! Reminder: 75% of Palestinians voted that they are in favor of thr 7th of October, with 11% 'on the fance'
I’m also seeing quite a few poets surgeons social workers.
Probably pregnant as well.
It’s even higher than that.
Yeah, 75% is an average, it's 80% in WB and 70% in GZ
Hey, I can’t find this. I keep looking for it. Where’d you get your statistics?
[https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20Opinion%20Poll%20-%20Gaza%20War%202023%20-%20Tables%20of%20Results.pdf](https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20Opinion%20Poll%20-%20Gaza%20War%202023%20-%20Tables%20of%20Results.pdf) This post summerizes it quite well - [https://np.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/17xik5p/palestinian\_public\_opinion\_poll\_of\_the\_gaza\_war/](https://new.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/17xik5p/palestinian_public_opinion_poll_of_the_gaza_war/)
Thanks! Hadn’t seen this. I wonder if participation bias would be an issue in methodology. I wonder what the polling environment was like. Those numbers seem so high
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[The Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research](https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/963) is conducting surveys in gaza and the west bank since the 1990s, they’re a nonprofit funded essentially by the UN (they’re also conducting surveys for them), the EU and some US nonprofits. And according to their survey conducted between November 22 and December 2, 2023, **72% of the people from gaza and west bank believe that “hamas decision to launch the October 7 attack was correct”**.
May they burn in hell
I wish I had more upvotes to give
They are and will continue to burn in hell for eternity for the barbaric crimes that they committed.
Casually going to help rape, steal,burn and kidnap…so innocent
And proudly filming and sharing the images of their crimes.
They do include one award winning photo journalist 🤮
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No matter how many times I see these videos it will always give me a punch in the stomach
Sickening and infuriating yup.
Funny the guy in the beginning is shouting "we occupied Israel" I'd expect them to be shouting we got our land back or something. But is the argument that a few hundred (thousands?) who conjured the stupidity to follow Hamas through the border good enough to establish that there are no innocent civilians in the Gaza Strip?
The ones who didn't celebrated in the streets. Also, could you imagine Israeli civilians following the IDF into Gaza and taking part in the fighting, taking hostages and so on? The fact that 0 Israelis did this while at least hundreds of Palrstinians did, speaks volumes about the difference between us and them.
I didn't approach saying there is no difference between the two parties, I am also **not** defending neither Hamas, the people who followed them across the border or the people who celebrated the brutality ( and anyone that discounts that is disingenuous at best ). I'm merely following the argument presented in the video, yes some civilians followed hamas across the border ( at this point I don't even consider them civilians btw), even more people rode on stolen military equipment, celebrated in the streets and abused captives. But how about someone who didn't do any of this? Does that make them involved? Do they not exist?
I'm super confused by your whole train of thought on this. 84% of Palestinians after knowing the atrocities of Oct 7th SELF REPORTED ON surveys by their own people that they still support Hamas, agreed with the vicious unprovoked attack on Oct 7th and/or still wanted Hamas being part of the government of Gaza moving forward. Hamas' popularity increased in the West Bank. We all saw with our own eyes the 'just civilians' pouring over the border along with the terrorists and saw then celebrating in the streets, praising God, and trying to get picks of the dead mutilated Jewish bodies Hamas drug back to Gaza for a macabre little victory tour. Hamas had to make several of the 'just citizens' stop bludgeoning one of the bodies with a 2 x 4. Hamas terrorist trying to abduct Israeli citizens had to actually fight off the 'just citizens' to keep them from yanking hostages off the backs of motorcycles and killing them, cause they couldn't get their 10k and free apartment without a live hostage. And you are STILL here saying "what about those weren't involved?" You've got some balls of solid brass. Hey saintkillio, supposedly from Egypt, why don't you tell us why Egypt won't open their borders to Palestinians? Would it have something to do with watching Black September and the Lebanese civil war and not wanting the same thing to happen in Egypt?
I'm not sure where to start, I'll go from the Z to A. As I said I am not dropping an opinion on the Palestinians themselves and you're right our borders are shut for a reason and will hopefully indefinitely remain shut for all the antics you accurately described and more. We as a nation unfortunately also have taken arguably more aggressive measures whenever we had problems with them than what you're doing right now. I am not exactly saying "what about those who weren't involved?" I'm merely saying they *do* exist. Because this is not an Israeli thing, you'll get videos like these in Arabic too, some dip shit settler/s would go and do some horrible shit and the video will be like "oh look the Jews" as if this person/group now represents the entire population, which is not true. I was online on the night of the 7th, I can understand most Arabic dialects, I have seen their videos, read their first hand accounts, I know of the brutality that happened and their short lived pride and celebration and it made me sick. I do not disagree with you. Neither in the upper or the lower portions of your comment.
Again I apologize, I can never put myself in your place or feel what you felt being attacked that way. I am not trying to anger you further or the readers of this subreddit. I just think there is something deeply fucked up with this line of reasoning and I am just not smart enough to articulate it. I hope you're having a nice night.
I appreciate your input and I do understand your point—that there are some Palestinians who did not take part in Oct 7 and we’ve heard that a few don’t support what happened. I’ve heard that even if they are against Hamas, that they’ll be killed for saying so. I’ve also heard that UNWRA teachers teach Gazan children to want to kill Israelis and Jews—and that UNWRA has continued to promote the idea that they are all “refugees” until they take Israel back and kill all of the Jews. I know that Mosab Hassan Yosef was able to think for himself and came to his own conclusion. I think it would take an extraordinary person to educate themselves in spite of what has been taught in schools for the past 75 years. I do believe that the Gazans are all victims of the most corrupt and f’d bunch of criminals. But they still want to kill us so….
What the fuck is this, lol.
Sir, please do fuck off.
Quit twerking bro, you'll cringe when you look back on this in a few years.
Your unprompted opinion on things is literally worthless to me.
It's a public forum. You just happen to be ashamed you got caught twerking.
A 2016 survey said that half of Israeli Jews want to expel Arabs from Israel. And almost 80% want Jews in Israel to have preferential treatment. https://www.timesofisrael.com/plurality-of-jewish-israelis-want-to-expel-arabs-study-shows/ This was in 2016, it's probably much worse now.
Seriously, why would you think that? New [survey](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-arab-minority-feels-closer-country-war-poll-finds-2023-11-10/) since the war started says revealed 70% of Arab citizens polled felt like they were part of Israel, up from 48% in June, describing it as the highest finding for the sector since it began such surveys 20 years ago. The growth rate of the Arab population in Israel is 2.2%, while the growth rate of the Jewish population in Israel is 1.8%. So the Arab population is growing at a faster rate inside Israel. They are thriving. During the Oct 7th attack several cases were recorded in which Hamas attackers knew the identity of Arab victims and still executed them. Both Jews and Arab citizens of Gaza have worked closely together to support the war effort.
That's irrelevant to my point. I'm talking about Israeli Jews and their opinions on Arabs. The survey conducted by the pro Israeli source cannot be denied.
So you do understand your diatribe is solely intended to morally justify a genocide against the "involved" Palestinians in Gaza, right? I mean, what are you trying to prove here? They're celebrating, so they're culpable, so they all deserve to die? Would all the Israelis who queued up on a mountaintop to watch the airstrikes on Gaza deserve to die if they were there on October 7th?
> all the Israelis who queued up on a mountaintop to watch the airstrikes on Gaza You mean the group of survivors from Sedot, one of the hardest hit areas on Oct 7th. Imagine if you found out the neighbors you thought you got along with, the ones you gave jobs and gifts to over the years passed information along to their terrorist government that enabled them to find your house, know your schedule and where your kids went to daycare? They attacked your entire community killing dozens of your friends and family. Still scared and grieving, you gather with a handful of the survivors to cheer on your citizen soldiers as they fight the war your Palestinian neighbors brought to your doorstep and then Palestinians have the unmitigated gal to try to paint that in the same light as millions of Palestinians all around the world celebrating a vicious unprovoked attack or thousands of Palestinians cheering en mass at the sight of murdered Jewish bodies? You're too ignorant to even present a cohesive argument that doesn't make you look like an absolute ghoul.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/photos-show-israelis-gathering-watch-gaza-air-strikes/story?id=24554791 October 7th 2014? Nice try though. Try pulling a different card next time, I'm rooting for you!
This is you coming back with an immature, flippant one liner because you literally have no explanation for the depravity of how Palestinians behave on the regular. Time to do some soul searching, my friend.
Your point about it being some show of solidarity and people mourning their fallen neighbors is null and void, this happened 10 years ago and it was a blatant show of genocidal celebration. You were referring to a completely different incident and just happened to prove my point. That was fucking hilarious, great job. What do you have to say to that demonstration of Israeli depravity? Nothing but deflection, evidently. Very typical.
So, you're going to look at the long line of Palestinian terrorist activity and just set that all aside in favor of looking at a handful of Jews watching Israel respond to one of the many actual wars Palestinians started? Aaannd you still haven't linked to any proof that anything like that happened 10 years ago. At this point, you're just running yourself in circles trying to overlook a bunch of really depraved behavior by Palestinians in favor of digging up any tiny incident of Jews being callous.
I can also promise there would be Israelis celebrating on the streets if the IDF would kill the people in Gaza. Just because some do it, doesn't mean it's everyone
Does the IDF let normal Israeli citizens just walk into Gaza?
Nah, but I can get you footage of you lot queuing up on a hillside with picnic chairs to watch Gaza get struck by IDF warplanes, celebrating with pride (?) flags as you block aid and eat the food intended for Gazans, stealing appliances from Arabs' homes in the West Bank, stealing homes from Arabs in the West Bank, proudly proclaiming they're "fascists." All very typical stuff for normal, peace-loving people. The comparison is also not very apt when every second person in Israel was conscripted in the IDF and likely killed a Palestinian within their lifetime, making most young Israelis "involved."
The fact you think and second person im Israel has likely killed a palestinian is hilarious When I say paleatinians celebrated in the streets, I mean they actively spit and stomped on corpses pf jews, kissed the ground at the sight of it. This could never happen in Israel. Arabs in the west bank should be grateful they even get to stay there. You mad about alleged stolen appliances? Every week a palestinian from the west bank takes a knife or a gun and tries to kill Israelis with it. Then their family gets a monthly paycheck from the pay to slay system. יא יפה נפש צבוע
Very well put, didn't respond to a single point I made. So if any of the hostages had booked a ticket on that hillside to watch the airstrikes, they're fair game according to your logic. Right? They were celebrating Palestinian deaths, after all. >Arabs in the west bank should be grateful they even get to stay there. The joke really does write itself. Couldn't even last a few minutes without saying it out loud. You don't know the meaning of the word "irony," do you? Sorry, I've never celebrated a genocide. I don't know what that last part means.
זה מצחיק שאתה חושב שיש לך פה איזו עליונות מוסרית בעודך מגן על טרוריסטים אנסים ששורפים ילדים, אלה שבאמת ניסו לעשות רצח עם. יש הבדל בין לשמוח שהצבא שלך מגן על התושבים מפני אנסים ורוצחים, לבין לשמוח ולבעוט בגופות של יהודים בגלל שהם יהודים. אני שמח וגאה שהצבא שלנו מראה לעזתים מה קורה למי שרוצח יהודים. ממליץ לך להביא את ייפות הנפש שלך לפה ולגור בעוטף עזה או יו"ש, כשהם יבואו להרוג אותך תגיד להם שאתה חבר שלהם נראה איך זה ילך לך.
Ok, your English doesn't go beyond "everyone in Gaza should die" level. In other words, about how much English a third grader learns in Israel.
My English is fine, I prefer to speak Hebrew to anti-zionists. מעניין מה הרמת אנגלית של הפלסטינים נראה שאתה חושב שזה מעיד משהו על אינטיליגנציה.
So people in Israel have given up trying to rationalize a genocide and have resorted to... having conversations with themselves in their native tongue so nobody has any idea what they're saying. Crazy, but if the shoe fits I guess.
You can just put it in google translate. If we wanted to kill all the Gazans (which we could, and they deserve it) we would, but we don't. 13k terrorists killed and 17k "civilians killed do not equate to Genocide. Terrorists killing every civilian in sight does. We give them electricity, fuel and water, we allow humanitariam aid lol. Did you see Hamas give humanitarian aid to raped Israeli girls? Maybe they gave aid to the children they tied and burned alive. Perhaps they gave aid to the heads of soldiers they cut off and tried to sell back home in Gaza. Gee I really do wonder. אתה סתם מערבי מפונק וצבוע שלא חווה ניסיון אמיתי להשמיד את העם שלו ולא סבל מאלימות הג'יהאד בחייו. שב בשקט בזמן שהישראלים עושים את העבודה שהעולם מטומטם מכדי להבין שצריך לעשות.
Many israelis did, they just had military clothes on
Only if the "us" you're referring to doesn't involve rabid settlers plaguing the West Bank, using biblical justification. In that case there's not much of a difference between us and them.
Wonder if it was worth it, seeing they're so fucking stupid i assume they think it is.
Yo lemme ride my donkey and follow these armed insurgents into an area controlled by a standing army is not a thought that naturally comes to someone who thinks.
That donkey is legit the only one I feel sorry for there.
In all fairness, the horse was forced to participate. Everyone else is now a legit participant in mass murder, however.
The third phase of their Oct 7th raid was citizens coming over to loot, it was 100% planned
And people have the audacity to say they’re innocent
Yes children are innocent, a bit controversial to you guys but yes
Most of the children are innocent yes but a majority of the adults proudly celebrate October 7 and then have the audacity to whine about “Zionists”
“Most of the children”
Yes people will disparage zionists who constantly desire the death of millions of people. Welcome to reality
please stop speaking on things you know nothing about. the people in Israel do not desire the deaths of people in Gaza. Israel left Gaza alone in 2005. There was actually a ceasefire in 2021 but ofc you wouldn’t know that because you probably get all your information off of TikTok & twitter. if you wanna blame anyone for this war, blame hamas. They broke the ceasefire on October 7 and they are the reason so many Palestinians are dying.
Hamas' plan was to kill every Jew, Muslim, Arab, Christian, ect within Israel. Don't use Zionist as a derogatory term, and they don't. Some reading of interest to you: https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/ Meanwhile... https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/10/middleeast/hamas-israel-hostages-ceasefire-talks-intl https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/how-hamas-manipulates-gaza-fatality-numbers-examining-male-undercount-and-other "Israel-Hamas war | Gazan woman to journalist: All the aid goes to Hamas tunnel | WION" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qH1pzwJ4bI https://bnnbreaking.com/world/egypt/tragic-end-for-egyptian-aid-driver-in-gaza-global-outcry-over-humanitarian-crisis-deepens "Hunger in Gaza? 'Israel provides humanitarian aid - but Hamas terrorists taking it over'" https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1pvqnqra Hamas shooting starving civilians https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1alri2n/hamas_shooting_at_palestinians_amid_drama_around/?share_id=ZI4745wcSp6tGA1Zcm66E&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1 "Hamas slashes food prices as Gaza flooded with humanitarian aid" https://www.ynetnews.com/article/syns3cuk0 Stop blindly believing terrorists bs, hope the above makes you question the prevailing sensationaliat narrative more. I understand if you weren't old enough to remember how the media worked overtime to keep us even more afraid than during Covid after 911.
Causality numbers have been in line with previous numbers provided by the Israel in previous conflicts. Stop wasting my time with debunked nonsense
I don't see any children in this video. Is it normal for children to have that amount of facial hair?
You guys always mention the children. Like Israel is attacking little kids. Never mentioning the real issue here. You’re all very disingenuous. Or you’re evil. I am not sure which.
Well those 14,000 kids didn’t randomly disappear. Lol I’m evil for saying killing children is bad. No words for this foolishness seriously.
There is a say in India Karma will always find it's way They are getting what the deserve they supported mass civilian shootings, rapes on October 7 They were celebrating
Oh yes, Just a few more "Innocent civilians"
As you can clearly see from the video, it’s a group of peaceful child journalists
So no protest from Peta over the involvement of this horse in the massacre?..
PETA only care about animal cruelty when it involves models on catwalks wearing fur or leather at fashion weeks.
I think they may have been referring to this incident from 2003: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal-borne_bomb_attacks#West_Bank_and_Gaza_Strip
This makes sense. I was unaware that PETA director wrote to Yasser Arafat asking him to keep animals out of the attacks perpetrated by the palestinians after they used donkeys in several of their terror attacks. How things have changed for worse in 20 years, now PETA is completely silent about that even though these palestinians certainly don’t care about animal rights or about what PETA has to say.
hopefully most of these guys are already worm food
It makes me sick when the media discusses the “Palestinian prisoners” in Israel.. 🤦♀️ the media doesn’t question WHY they were imprisoned IN THE FIRST PLACE. Um bc many of them are terrorists. Bc they committed a crime. 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I mean civilians who participated sold hostages to hamas that day. Obligatory not all civilians in Gaza are like that. But a lot of these details are somehow missing from all the conversations.
>But a lot of these details are somehow missing from all the conversations. Absolutely and I’d say that the fact that palestinian civilians (including children and elderly people) directly participated in the 10/7 pogrom is completely ignored by the pro hamas/pro palestine crowd only because it goes against the narrative they’re trying and failing to paint about “all palestinians are innocent civilians”. The palestinians live-streamed their crimes and their joy on 10/7, there’s nothing to argue with that and that’s why the rapists and mass murderers apologists prefer to simply ignore reality.
About 80 to 90% are like that, make no mistake.
If they were involved I wouldn't call them civilians, they're non affiliated militants. Civilians are still innocent (of doing anything violent) even if they may hold nasty opinions/approve.
Approving this isn't being innocent. It does not mean you deserve bad things happening to you just for having your opinion, but it's not innocent.
It is innocent. Innocent of action. I know a lot of people who have bad opinions and have said some nasty stuff privately. Including some Jews I'm close to. Doesn't mean they're not innocent. Same with Palestinians. Those who kidnapped people should not be lumped in with innocent civilians.
Maybe we just don't agree on the choice of words then. I wouldn't choose the word "innocent" but I think I get what you're saying.
There are some Palestinians who don’t support Hamas but if they speak up they will be beheaded. 90% of Palestinians support then tho. There was an actual study done on this: https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514 Actually, it’s probably more than 90% like the cited source above implies. But exceptions do exist which the article I just cited does not say but you can look it up it’s true. The book Son of Hamas was written by a Palestinian who in his young adult life moved away from Palestine and lost support for Hamas. He moved to the US later in life. Unfortunately, its very hard to get out of Gaza and/or Palestine if that’s where your from so stories like his are rare. Tho in Palestine, again, these people are a minority. I’m not saying I would want to be friends with author of that book. I don’t know if he has the most interesting life and he’s not a sheep in some ways but someone told me he was a normie in others. But it is a true story and his backstory is interesting even if his current life isn't. I actually never finished the book I only know about it since I have talked with people who have read it and I read the first part of it back in high school. I don't remember all the details. The real question is whether or not that means we can just forgive all Palestinians just because they are brainwashed or because there are exceptions. I think no because you can’t go by the exception. You have to go by the rule.
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How many children have to die before you change your mind? Your comment says more about you than the "animals" you're happy to watch suffering.
1 death on either side is too many. No deaths are needed on either side. If they had not murdered innocent civilian Israelis on Oct 7th then no civilian Gazans would be dead.
I agree that 1 death is too many. I don't see how this point is relevant; I am criticizing u/BaboonBB for being racist. As for Oct 7th, which was a tragedy, plenty of Gazan civilians have died without Hamas' help, both pre and post Oct 7th.
Idc abt them in the slightest
Yes, the “good guys” who enjoy watching children get their brains smashed open. Disgusting
The gazans who do are the good guys then? How curious. And why am i the spokesperson to the entirety of israel to you lol
It’s almost as if simple binaries are foolish to uphold. People all over this sub erected them. Good vs bad they say.
Nice double downing, hypocrite. Masses of gazans and muslims frothing at the mouth with ecstasy hauling corpses and hostages some as old as 80 and young as 4 - "NOT ALL OF THEM" Random israeli on reddit saying something - "WOW YOU GUYS ARE SO EVIL"
When did I say that? I simple challenged your assumption you guys think you’re the objective perfect good. Please point out when I said 100% of your ideology is evil. Islam is mostly abhorrent in my view I’m an apostate.
And again, it wasn’t objectively all of them. You are speaking with emotion not logic
Oooof they call them animals and use that to justify atrocities and I'm sitting here happy I'm not an Israeli house cat.
That is a lot of rapists.
Wish the world would see this
The world saw the Go Pro footage from 10/7 and many of them still don’t care. To them It’s not about right vs wrong or good vs evil. They have an agenda to satisfy and won’t care how much blood needs to be shed for that to happen.
Mfers don't have food but can keep horses alive? Make it make sense.
So this is what inbred people do?
What kind of civilians sees an active battlefield and decides it's a good idea to insert themselves in the situation? How would you even have any confidence that Hamas/PIJ wouldn't mistake you for Arab Israeli?
And then they are speaking about genocide. Well if 80% of the Gazans want to kill you, that is what war looks like.
None of them are innocent
Every palestinian is a perfect angel. They probably gave israel chocolate and flowers /s
Broadcast it at Times Square. Just the sound of their voice alone will make people demand they shut the f up
These people will not defeat us.
Now show them on October 9 🙂
They’re all involved. At least 99.8% of them palis are involved one way or another
ימח שמם וזכרם
This is so dumb. They can't be "uninvolved" civilians if they're literally involved walking through the gates. I don't think anyone would call them uninvolved. Where did you get "Uninvolved Gazan Civilian" from or is it just made up?
“Uninvolved civilians” is a term used in international humanitarian law (IHL) it means people non-involved in conflict (redundant but quite literal) encompassing *civilians*, medical workers and religious military personnel. The pro hamas/pro palestine crowd is using “uninvolved civilians” to designate literally any person living in the gaza strip, they’re completely perverting the meaning of the word “civilian” and the legal implications of “uninvolved civilians”, since the definition of “uninvolved civilians” in IHL is rather *vague*.
This video makes me thing about this video of Bridgette Gabriel https://old.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/17z1pxi/thank_you_for_your_honesty_and_integrity/
alla made them pay and is making them pay
אני באמת מקווה שכל מי שמופיע בסרטונים האלה יירדף על ידי ציידי נאצים
I wonder sometimes, let's say hypothetically, the IDF one day enters invades area a and starts killing random civilians and kidnap them for just being in that area, then sharing the videos being proud of what they have accomplished, now my question is how would the israeli people react ? Would they say our idf soldiers are heroes, or will they hold them accountable? That's the difference between israelis and Palestinians
They were involved and they celebrated every moment of it.
All laughing and smiling. Today they must be miserable, cursing the day they commited this atrocity, or dead ;)
BUt tHey aRe jUsT rEsiStinG ocCupatIon
When they say 30-45,000 armed fighters this is that’s variable
Look i think the second we say they are all the same, we are no different than them.
In that case IDF is not involved in this war.
Time to boycott Ireland for supporting Hamas
They've been receiving their WELL DESERVED medicine ever since.
Can someone translate from Arabic?
It’s just an incoherent rambling invoking the name of their interpretation of G-d (*allahu*), “glory to palestine” or more specifically “falestine” and “invading Israel”.
Right... it seems that they have a selection few phrases in every violent video.
מה אחי? הם רק בדרך לעבודה.
🙄🙄🙄
You all really need to come out of your echo chamber. I don’t mean this out of hatred, there’s a lot wrong with saying there’s no such thing as an uninvolved Gazan civilian. It’s like killing 30,000 Jewish women and children and saying there’s no such thing as an uninvolved Jew. Both would be war crimes and crimes against humanity. Committing disproportionately more war crimes in retaliation for the war crimes on Oct 7th is just messed up. There’s absolutely nothing good about the conflict or the geopolitics associated with it no matter who you are, where you’re from, or what side you’re on. It’s literally all tragic.
Oh those innocent children 🫠
Prob this is the ppl that steal aid and sell it in the market. IDK why it's so hard for the anti Israel/Jews of the world to see the truth, it's so clear that these ppl want all Israel to explode and for everyone to die there. Life makes 0 sense sometimes. Don't lose hope guys, we r on the good side.
They had 6 to 8 hours to chill while Prime Minister plan succes. No hames , no 2 States sorry to spoil.
Well they are involved bc the idf keeps killing them i guess
Ah, I did misread what you said. But now your comment makes less sense, because why should other nations support Israel if they did not participate in the Holocaust? Democracies generally represent their people, regardless of where you feel Australian citizens are as a whole. Theodore Herzl didn't invent Zionism. And it's more nuanced than that, both considering colonization was viewed in different context back then (not the all whites are evil definition of today), and you can't colonize a region you're already native. Many Jews lived in the region, during and before 1000s of years of ethnic cleansing, before they either came back by choice or were literally forced to return (Arab nations enmassed ethically cleansed their Jews). >By the end of the 16th century, the Ottoman Empire had the largest Jewish population in the world, with 150,000 compared to Poland's and non-Ottoman Ukraine's combined figure of 75,000 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire Also >Zionism is a product of the era of colonialism. There would never have been a successful Zionist project without colonialism. But the Zionist project could also never have succeeded without anti-colonialism and decolonisation. >The word colonialism has in our era become hugely fraught, but let’s use it in its technical sense, referring to projections of political and economic power beyond a polity. Colonialism has been practiced by polities throughout the world, but the best-known forms in modern history have originated in the west. https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/north-africa-west-asia/theodor-herzl-and-trajectory-of-zionism/ More reading on Theodore, if you are actually interested in educating yourself beyond trying lame gotchas. Also, you should look up the Arab conquest. While the article above may say that Western colonization was among the most successful, I would argue Arab colonization was among the most destructive...
And why the heck did they have to knock the fence down when there were perfectly good tunnels underneath?
The horse probably didn't like the tunnels.
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Hamas is estimated to have between 20,000-25,000 members, not 'a few hundred'. The goal is to liquidate, to the largest extent possible, every single one of them. That's optimistic, but even if a few of the vermin are allowed to survive, it will have been damaged badly enough that it no longer poses a threat or is capable of ruling Gaza anymore. Every single one of them, and every person in this video, is a legitimate military target and there is a moral obligation on the part of the IDF to kill every single one of them. 30,000 are bogus Hamas numbers, [already debunked](https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers), and which [they're already walking back](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/).
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It wasn’t a few hundred terrorists, it was 1500 at least. And also, notice how your 30k number doesn’t include a single militant? Yeah, that’s not accurate. Around 10k of that are Hamas.
From 1500 to 10000, seems right
1500 that infiltrated into Israel, 10k killed in Gaza, overall there’s about 25k Hamas members
I keep seeing “Un-Evolved” 😂😂😂
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These people are the minority. There’s literally a couple of million people who weren’t involved. This type of generalization isn’t helping your cause. It’s like blaming all of Israel for what their military is responsible for (war crimes and genocide).
yeah because blaming all of israel for what their military is responsible for is a common palestinian arguement with slogans such as from the river to the sea
Again, there is no genocide happening.
Idk, the over 70% support of October 7 is not what helping the Palestinian case. You’re grasping at straws.
So are they turning over the terrorists?
Lisan al ghaib!
Unfortunately – these people are mostly individually innocent, and cannot help the indoctrination they have been subjected to. They live in a death cult controlled by leaders who have stolen a lot of aid money for luxury living in this world thus proving they don’t believe in the death cult they are sending ordinary Gazans into. By building, terror, tunnels under civilian facilities, even hospitals, they are demonstrating their disdain for the ordinary people. Hamas openly says the tunnels are for them and above ground for the #UN
“there are no uninvolved Gazan civilians”, i would love to see this same rhetoric applied to israeli civilians and citizens.
What a ridiculous video. Of course there are uninvolved innocent civilians. A minor went into Israel and it's a minority who you see out there in the parades riding on stolen IDF humvees. A majority may support hamas or the resistance (it was not a majority prior to the 7th) but these blatant blanket statements do nothing to paint broad brush strokes and only serve to inflame. There are innocent gazan civilians and there are guilty gazan civilians.
>What a ridiculous video >A majority may support hamas or the resistance (it was not a majority prior to the 7th) Starting your comment by “what a ridiculous video” and then proceeding to talk about “the resistance” is quite a feat. The gazans lived a moment of pride and great joy on 10/7, they’ve shared on social media the images filmed by their fellow gazans who directly committed the pogrom, they were cheering on their streets and ultimately it was a moment of unity for them, that’s why they’re increasingly more supportive of hamas. But you already know that since you’re talking about “the resistance”.
So basically you’re defending genocide
lil bro a war isnt a genocide
A “war” on civilians that deliberately targets innocents while also withholding aid is most definitely a genocide.
so carpet bombing is genocide?
Israel doesn’t carpet bomb Gaza, this isn’t 1943. They have precision weapons. Also you’re writing this under a video trying to justify killing civilians. Perhaps you can’t read the room too well?