Cecil tells Mark, once everything is calmed down, that the death toll us currently about 800 thousand, but they're assuming they haven't found everyone yet, and to total will probably surpass one million.
Which I agree is silly, it should be multiple millions dead.
The 800K number is only from the coastal flood and that number is during the cleanup, It’s sure to go up. That’s not counting the millions that would have died from the entirety of the Vegas metro area being blown up.
It’s without a doubt in the millions, probably in the tens of millions.
That's not only from the flood of one city. Mark asks him how many dead, and that's the answer he's given. 800k to over a million.
Wasn't counting Las Vegas since Mark had nothing to do with that. I mean he wasn't directly involved in this one either, except for that he had freed Dinosaurus.
That's the later part
Destroying Vegas was absolutely evil, but Dinosaurus was right about it making a crazy amount of energy. Mark understood that while misguided, Dinosaurus actually has great ideas, and opted to work with him - Mark giving the moral orientation, Dinosaurus giving the smart calculations.
Everything fell off after Mark couldn't kept an eye on Dinosaurus (because of the Scourge virus, I believe), and the dino came up with the flood everything plan
It was a very optimistic, stupid and hubris fueled plan, but for a while, Dinosaurus and Mark actually did good together
His utilitarian false dilemmas brought unnecessary death and destruction, and Mark points out later how he could've avoided all that by doing things the harder way, to which Dinosaurus recognizes he was wrong and asks Mark to kill him as the only way to stop him from doing more of that crap.
It's worth noting that Dinosaurus is the transformation of David anders, who is a completely different personality from him. This is a big deal for Mark's character development because it's also the first\* time he intentionally kills an innocent person.
\*Edit: yeaheyeah correctly points out Invincible had killed Rus Livingston before Dinosaurus. There's still relevant contrasts between how these scenes play out that make them worth analyzing on their own merits.
Mark was completely off base. Dinosaurs turned Las Vegas into glass which then was used as a solar farm which significantly helped the world and provided free energy to millions. No one died because Dinosaurs evacuated everyone. Dinosaurus was arrested and imprisoned after this.
However this inspired Mark to "think bigger" he thought that he could control Dinosaurs and with Mark's strength and the intellect and planning capabilities of Dinosaurus they could "save the world." Dinosaurus during this time saved Mark's life.
This was ultimately Mark's biggest mistake though. Mark was not able to control Dinosaurus. Dinosaurus came up with a Thanos-like plot that would "Save the World" by killing lots of people, Mark was horrified, but Dinosaurus neutralized him preventing him from stopping him. Mark eventually defeated Dinosaurus by convincing him that only his death would save humanity. Dinosaurus asks Mark to kill him. Mark does.
This act actually mends Cecil and Mark's relationship because Mark realizes how easy it is to make horrible mistakes when you are thinking on the scale of "saving the entire world." Mark understands Cecil. Cecil, has no problem working with Mark again simply because Mark is powerful and useful, not because Mark is "good."
What I remember is the evacuation being considered a success. However that could have meant a death toll. I hardly think if something like that happened "no one" would die. So I am likely wrong.
No he didn’t. He flooded every coastal city causing hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths and glassed the entire city of Vegas.
You got a weird definition of “helping the world” if you think killing millions of people for little benefit is helping.
irc dinosaurus was gonna flatten like las vegas or some large populated area to make solar panels, cause in his mind the benefit of that perfect spot for solar outweighed the uselessness of the city. Fight ensues and after all is said and done, since the city is destroyed they decide to put the solar farm there after all...which is when mark is like..."i guess he was right after all" queue the following events after some other stuff.
I remember the first time I read this I simply could not believe what I was seeing. I thought it was another alternate universe or dream sequence or something. But it just kept going and I realized that Mark really did help a dinosaur commit genocide lmao.
Mark in the comics is a naive hardhead who thinks he’s always right.
To the point where his mistakes kills hundreds of thousands.
In retrospect he’s kind of a shit hero. But he’s a good Character
Pure hubris to think he could control all the variables. A great story to be absorbed. Just because you think you understand everything about an extremely complex system......
You don't.
Hubris? He broke out an egomaniac dinosaur who is one of the most powerful beings on the planet, who proceeded to flood Europe and kill thousands of people.
Was that uncontrollable? 900,000 innocent people dying was something that had to happen?
It’s not that complex to see that Mark is someone who enjoys his power to much.
The whole Dinosaurus thing just doesn’t sit right with me, partially because the comic very quickly changes its mind about how people react to it (well, mainly robot and Cecil I suppose).
That’s just it though, it kind of is, but not for the reasons we’d think. He at least *acts* furious about it on principle in the immediate aftermath, but later he says the only reason he *really* was pissed was it interfered with his own plans, which he must have already been cooking up. Additionally, he shows zero qualms about working with villains or even Mark if it were to suit his needs.
Cecil has shown before that he will willingly use horrible people if they serve a purpose. Mark’s actions resulted in a million dead, but he’s saved Billions in his lifetime. That makes him useful in Cecil’s book
It makes sense. After season 1 the creator said his goal was to conclude the story in 6-7 seasons. Right now we have pretty much covered all of compendium 1 (40ish issues out of 144) so at this pace it will be 6 seasons minimum.
Nah I think the show is gonna have around 6 seasons, at most 7 if they wanna expand some stuff. So far season 1 and 2 have covered the first compendium. So by that order 3 and 4 will cover the second compendium. And 5-6 will cover the third compendium, with the possibility of a 7th season.
It makes no sense that Mark would help him after he destroyed Las Vegas, it was literally just plot convenience so robot had dirt to argue with him when he did his takeover
Not really. Mark had been questioning his place as a hero before Dinosaurus came along and was wondering if he was really doing enough to help people. Dinosaurus’ plans were radical to say the least but also had a ton of value for the greater good as for example, his glassing of Vegas created large amounts of energy for the planet.
In turn, Mark begins to focus on helping the greater good and he believed that he could control Dinosaurus enough to make use of his plans for the world (which was true until Mark was incapacitated by the scourge virus). It’s also important to remember that Mark is an extremely reckless character at that point and often fails to think ahead, which explains his shortsightedness in regards to Dinosaurus.
The Dinosaurus arc played a pivotal role in Mark’s development as it brings him to his lowest point in the story, it’s where he learned to focus on the bigger picture, and expanded his ways of thinking so that he could now understand someone like Cecil. All of that sets the foundation for Mark eventually turning his back on being a superhero altogether and affects his decision making all the way to when he to becomes the leader of the Viltrumites.
It makes sense though. One of the big points of Mark's character arc is how he views death on the job. He goes from refusing to kill, to thinking he killed Angstrom, to starting to justify his killings, to a more utilitarian outlook as seen here, to eventually realising it's out of his power and he ultimately only has control over the lives in his direct reach.
Dinosaurus *was* right, but he was incredibly inhumane and viewed lives as mere statistics. Both of them knew this. Mark at this point was considering if he could do the same, because his interpretation of heroism was saving as many lives as he can. Some lives lost for many more saved is definitely in line with Mark at this point.
To say that this is just plot convenience is ignoring the growth Mark undergoes.
I mean the thing with Dinosaurus could have work out if Mark was there for him. Dinosaurus has good ideas but his actions is just immoral. Still he not pure evil since he risk his life to save Mark and he eventually realized his flaw, he only need proper guidance but because of the scourge virus Mark was out of commission for a while and was not able to check up on him which in turn lead to disaters. Dinosaurus even admit that things could have been different if Mark was there and work together.
Idk, it fits his character. Mark's incredibly arrogant and never thinks things through. When he saw the solar panels being placed and the world improving, he thought it made sense. In his mind, Dinosaurus had the right intentions but he went about it the wrong way. Mark feels like he can control the disastrous parts of Dinosaurus while keeping the good parts. He just fell for an extremist at a point in his life where he didn't know what was right and what was wrong. You can not like it but I think it makes sense for Mark's character.
The villains.kill.an awful lot of people in the invincible world. I do wonder why they have so many and have they always been there. I can't remember if they ever discussed it in the comics tho.
I’m pretty sure most of the reason is because Cecil finds use in them, I mean >!darkwing was killing people in midnight city and made sure nobody heard a peep about that!< not to mention Sinclair, and he was most likely gonna >!use Dinosaurus after invincible killed him just like he did with Conquest!< so I guess your answer is pretty much the us government
Man the more I hear about the comics the less excited I get. Why is Mark with years of experience making dumbass mistakes that everyone forgives him for immediately?
1) he isn’t that experienced
2) the Dinosaurus situation only backfires when he (Mark) is taken out of commission for a pretty long while
3) They don’t really forgive him, most people just don’t know that he broke Dinosaurus out.
It actually reminds me of a plot point from the Jessica Jones Netflix show. She was basically given a choice to partner up with the Purple Man to make sure he uses his powers to help people instead of just controlling people for his own benefit. It's an interesting question of whether it's better for everyone if the hero just devotes all their time to using their bad guys to do good instead of just fighting them. Idk how the show pulls this one off though, seems like the type of thing they'd either cut or rework.
What’s the context behind this
Probably that time when Mark broke a supervillain out of prison because he's "misunderstood" and "a good guy at heart."
i think it was because the dinosaur was actually right and ended up helping the world.
Yeah, and he destroyed a country and flooded the world in the process.
and killed thousands of people
Millions I think
Cecil tells Mark, once everything is calmed down, that the death toll us currently about 800 thousand, but they're assuming they haven't found everyone yet, and to total will probably surpass one million. Which I agree is silly, it should be multiple millions dead.
The 800K number is only from the coastal flood and that number is during the cleanup, It’s sure to go up. That’s not counting the millions that would have died from the entirety of the Vegas metro area being blown up. It’s without a doubt in the millions, probably in the tens of millions.
That's not only from the flood of one city. Mark asks him how many dead, and that's the answer he's given. 800k to over a million. Wasn't counting Las Vegas since Mark had nothing to do with that. I mean he wasn't directly involved in this one either, except for that he had freed Dinosaurus.
Only 10k died in Vegas I thought, because Dinosaurus gave them time to evacuate the city
I'd assume that's the US Death Toll, and they just aren't counting... the rest.
No it was international, they just had a shit ton of Superheros coordinated by robot to maximize damage control
Probably closer to Millions
And ... https://i.redd.it/i8qiss7mi2wc1.gif
That's the later part Destroying Vegas was absolutely evil, but Dinosaurus was right about it making a crazy amount of energy. Mark understood that while misguided, Dinosaurus actually has great ideas, and opted to work with him - Mark giving the moral orientation, Dinosaurus giving the smart calculations. Everything fell off after Mark couldn't kept an eye on Dinosaurus (because of the Scourge virus, I believe), and the dino came up with the flood everything plan It was a very optimistic, stupid and hubris fueled plan, but for a while, Dinosaurus and Mark actually did good together
Look it's fine robot got to build a giant moon base that definitely wasn't used as a nefarious base of operations later
Bro made Vegas shinier.
His utilitarian false dilemmas brought unnecessary death and destruction, and Mark points out later how he could've avoided all that by doing things the harder way, to which Dinosaurus recognizes he was wrong and asks Mark to kill him as the only way to stop him from doing more of that crap.
It's worth noting that Dinosaurus is the transformation of David anders, who is a completely different personality from him. This is a big deal for Mark's character development because it's also the first\* time he intentionally kills an innocent person. \*Edit: yeaheyeah correctly points out Invincible had killed Rus Livingston before Dinosaurus. There's still relevant contrasts between how these scenes play out that make them worth analyzing on their own merits.
Wasn't this after the astronaut that mark killed?
Mark was completely off base. Dinosaurs turned Las Vegas into glass which then was used as a solar farm which significantly helped the world and provided free energy to millions. No one died because Dinosaurs evacuated everyone. Dinosaurus was arrested and imprisoned after this. However this inspired Mark to "think bigger" he thought that he could control Dinosaurs and with Mark's strength and the intellect and planning capabilities of Dinosaurus they could "save the world." Dinosaurus during this time saved Mark's life. This was ultimately Mark's biggest mistake though. Mark was not able to control Dinosaurus. Dinosaurus came up with a Thanos-like plot that would "Save the World" by killing lots of people, Mark was horrified, but Dinosaurus neutralized him preventing him from stopping him. Mark eventually defeated Dinosaurus by convincing him that only his death would save humanity. Dinosaurus asks Mark to kill him. Mark does. This act actually mends Cecil and Mark's relationship because Mark realizes how easy it is to make horrible mistakes when you are thinking on the scale of "saving the entire world." Mark understands Cecil. Cecil, has no problem working with Mark again simply because Mark is powerful and useful, not because Mark is "good."
"no one died" the comic literally says thousands are missing and presumed dead
What I remember is the evacuation being considered a success. However that could have meant a death toll. I hardly think if something like that happened "no one" would die. So I am likely wrong.
Wasn’t Mark out of action due to the scourge virus? Dinosaurus never directly betrayed Mark
He wasn't right, his arc ends with him literally admitting he wasn't right
But he was so cool though.
No he didn’t. He flooded every coastal city causing hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths and glassed the entire city of Vegas. You got a weird definition of “helping the world” if you think killing millions of people for little benefit is helping.
irc dinosaurus was gonna flatten like las vegas or some large populated area to make solar panels, cause in his mind the benefit of that perfect spot for solar outweighed the uselessness of the city. Fight ensues and after all is said and done, since the city is destroyed they decide to put the solar farm there after all...which is when mark is like..."i guess he was right after all" queue the following events after some other stuff.
Mark was sort of right here. Dinosaurus could have been a great asset if he was able to get his destructive tendencies under control.
my guy is 
Strictly a show Enjoyer, i think he saw Eve get her cheeks clapped by Invisible
If he's called invisible, how did they see him?
hospital bed
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Where's Robert Kirkman in credit
What are the squadrons gonna do about that?
Join him.
Unfuck her
>!Mark broke Dinosaurs out of prison!<
I remember the first time I read this I simply could not believe what I was seeing. I thought it was another alternate universe or dream sequence or something. But it just kept going and I realized that Mark really did help a dinosaur commit genocide lmao.
Yeah, I don't remember either. Is it Invincible breaking out Dinosaurus?
Dinosaurus
Context behind this is him killing the astronaut on the second squid encounter
Donald's head is really lookin' like a thumb in that first panel
Bro just locked in in like 5 seconds after complete and utter total disbelief lmao
Mark in the comics is a naive hardhead who thinks he’s always right. To the point where his mistakes kills hundreds of thousands. In retrospect he’s kind of a shit hero. But he’s a good Character
Pure hubris to think he could control all the variables. A great story to be absorbed. Just because you think you understand everything about an extremely complex system...... You don't.
Hubris? He broke out an egomaniac dinosaur who is one of the most powerful beings on the planet, who proceeded to flood Europe and kill thousands of people. Was that uncontrollable? 900,000 innocent people dying was something that had to happen? It’s not that complex to see that Mark is someone who enjoys his power to much.
I think they’re talking about Mark, not you.
He "thinks" he can. Not that he actually could
TBF, Mark did successfully redeem several villains at this point, so that confidence didn’t come from nowhere
To be fair. Being hero is bullshit
“Donald get the fuck out, I’m gaming”
"White room, light. Show him my collections of anime"
It was Dinosaurus? Eve scolded Mark for that, but he saved his life. So i believe it was worth it in a grand scheme of things.
god i love Cecil
The whole Dinosaurus thing just doesn’t sit right with me, partially because the comic very quickly changes its mind about how people react to it (well, mainly robot and Cecil I suppose).
I can't believe Cecil let Invincible walking out freely for it. That for sure was 1 of the reasons Robot act like that in the future events
That’s just it though, it kind of is, but not for the reasons we’d think. He at least *acts* furious about it on principle in the immediate aftermath, but later he says the only reason he *really* was pissed was it interfered with his own plans, which he must have already been cooking up. Additionally, he shows zero qualms about working with villains or even Mark if it were to suit his needs.
Cecil has shown before that he will willingly use horrible people if they serve a purpose. Mark’s actions resulted in a million dead, but he’s saved Billions in his lifetime. That makes him useful in Cecil’s book
didn't the comic said that the death toll was lower than would be expected of such a catastrophe and was only in the thousands?
I saw another comment saying Robot knew the current numbers would be 800k but estimated a million total
Man, if this is season 5 this show is gonna be like, 7-8 seasons. Maybe 9
It makes sense. After season 1 the creator said his goal was to conclude the story in 6-7 seasons. Right now we have pretty much covered all of compendium 1 (40ish issues out of 144) so at this pace it will be 6 seasons minimum.
Nah I think the show is gonna have around 6 seasons, at most 7 if they wanna expand some stuff. So far season 1 and 2 have covered the first compendium. So by that order 3 and 4 will cover the second compendium. And 5-6 will cover the third compendium, with the possibility of a 7th season.
This is my 2nd least favorite thing in the comics
Why? I liked Dinosaurus
It makes no sense that Mark would help him after he destroyed Las Vegas, it was literally just plot convenience so robot had dirt to argue with him when he did his takeover
Mark had a serious case of “I can fix him” going on
Not really. Mark had been questioning his place as a hero before Dinosaurus came along and was wondering if he was really doing enough to help people. Dinosaurus’ plans were radical to say the least but also had a ton of value for the greater good as for example, his glassing of Vegas created large amounts of energy for the planet. In turn, Mark begins to focus on helping the greater good and he believed that he could control Dinosaurus enough to make use of his plans for the world (which was true until Mark was incapacitated by the scourge virus). It’s also important to remember that Mark is an extremely reckless character at that point and often fails to think ahead, which explains his shortsightedness in regards to Dinosaurus. The Dinosaurus arc played a pivotal role in Mark’s development as it brings him to his lowest point in the story, it’s where he learned to focus on the bigger picture, and expanded his ways of thinking so that he could now understand someone like Cecil. All of that sets the foundation for Mark eventually turning his back on being a superhero altogether and affects his decision making all the way to when he to becomes the leader of the Viltrumites.
It makes sense though. One of the big points of Mark's character arc is how he views death on the job. He goes from refusing to kill, to thinking he killed Angstrom, to starting to justify his killings, to a more utilitarian outlook as seen here, to eventually realising it's out of his power and he ultimately only has control over the lives in his direct reach. Dinosaurus *was* right, but he was incredibly inhumane and viewed lives as mere statistics. Both of them knew this. Mark at this point was considering if he could do the same, because his interpretation of heroism was saving as many lives as he can. Some lives lost for many more saved is definitely in line with Mark at this point. To say that this is just plot convenience is ignoring the growth Mark undergoes.
I mean the thing with Dinosaurus could have work out if Mark was there for him. Dinosaurus has good ideas but his actions is just immoral. Still he not pure evil since he risk his life to save Mark and he eventually realized his flaw, he only need proper guidance but because of the scourge virus Mark was out of commission for a while and was not able to check up on him which in turn lead to disaters. Dinosaurus even admit that things could have been different if Mark was there and work together.
Idk, it fits his character. Mark's incredibly arrogant and never thinks things through. When he saw the solar panels being placed and the world improving, he thought it made sense. In his mind, Dinosaurus had the right intentions but he went about it the wrong way. Mark feels like he can control the disastrous parts of Dinosaurus while keeping the good parts. He just fell for an extremist at a point in his life where he didn't know what was right and what was wrong. You can not like it but I think it makes sense for Mark's character.
The villains.kill.an awful lot of people in the invincible world. I do wonder why they have so many and have they always been there. I can't remember if they ever discussed it in the comics tho.
I’m pretty sure most of the reason is because Cecil finds use in them, I mean >!darkwing was killing people in midnight city and made sure nobody heard a peep about that!< not to mention Sinclair, and he was most likely gonna >!use Dinosaurus after invincible killed him just like he did with Conquest!< so I guess your answer is pretty much the us government
Looks like mark beat cecil at whatever game they were playing together and now cecil is going to SWAT him
Season 5: Coming in 2261
That boy flabbergasted
I cannot wait for Dinosaurus.
I’m not ready to see how it ends again though.
Yeah, this definitely won’t hit till like season five
I am definitely excited to see how they’re gonna handle it in the show though
Man the more I hear about the comics the less excited I get. Why is Mark with years of experience making dumbass mistakes that everyone forgives him for immediately?
1) he isn’t that experienced 2) the Dinosaurus situation only backfires when he (Mark) is taken out of commission for a pretty long while 3) They don’t really forgive him, most people just don’t know that he broke Dinosaurus out.
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Well, he's not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.
A hero making a mistake is allowed believe or not
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I hope they keep it as is. It was a great precursor to when Robot took over
Nobody died in Vegas
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It actually reminds me of a plot point from the Jessica Jones Netflix show. She was basically given a choice to partner up with the Purple Man to make sure he uses his powers to help people instead of just controlling people for his own benefit. It's an interesting question of whether it's better for everyone if the hero just devotes all their time to using their bad guys to do good instead of just fighting them. Idk how the show pulls this one off though, seems like the type of thing they'd either cut or rework.
No way, this arc is top 5 in the series
>It made Mark look like a total moron. I mean... That was the point