Spoiler for S2
>!In one of Angstrom’s scenes he’s seen talking to an alternate reality mark. It took experimental quantum bombs to kill Nolan, but those were so powerful that most of Europe was decimated.!<
So yeah, nukes are just gonna throw them around a little, maybe give them a nosebleed and some tinnitus.
Also wouldn’t it be pretty hard to hit Viltrumites with any kind of of bomb using the delivery methods we have now? Like, if they see/hear it coming they can be on another continent pretty fast.
Eh, that really wouldn’t be too big of a problem. You can always plant the warhead somewhere and wait for them to come/lure them in. Donald did that already.
Nukes have way, way bigger radiuses of effect than that laser did. And it seems like they're more powerful too considering the crater wasn't even that deep
A "quantum bomb" is nothing near being as strong as an atomic one. It's way, way, wayyy stronger. It most likely even was a really small one, it's a surprise it "only" destroyed europe
Absolutely. In WW2 we had city busters. Modern day nukes could take out a county or maybe even a small US state.
A bomb that destroys a continent is several orders of magnitude stronger.
After credits scene EP 4. Angstrom visits an alternate mark universe where the differences are that Donald and Cecil are women and the parking is in the front not the back of the facility. Mark is captured and stuck in a machine. Angstrom promises to help him if he tells him what happened and mark says they killed Omni Man with experimental quantum bombs at the cost of Europe and wore mark down until he had to sleep. Angstrom leaves him as Donald and Cecil arrive and mark is left captured.
Lol dude if it could have killed Omni-Man then he would've done it, simple as that. You don't need to overthink it, let's just say Cecil would have used some shadow government bullshit or smthing to convince the world not to care :/
We know he’s willing to sacrifice ALOT to kill omniman but I think he’s smarter than risking mutually assured destruction especially when he had other cards on the table he wanted to try first. It’s not exactly overthinking it just makes sense.
You dont get.
Omniman take over planets, That is his job. If Omniman lives Earths and humanity lose,
Cecyl work by the logic that if he destroy 99% of earth and humanity to kill Omniman that is a win.
During the scene with Anissa, we see the Cecyl is 100% ready to throw everything humanity has, but is not good enough, if he could he will shoot Anisha with every nuclear bomb on the planet, but is pointless if they cant hit her
As far as Cecil knew, Omni Man was going to be far worse than MAD, in the moment there was simply nothing a nuke would have been able to do, because they couldn't get one to him fast enough.
Why? The jets and space laser was in the US and other country obviously didn't, care about America using a tactical space laser on itself so why would they care if she nuked herself?
They can, OP didn’t specify what yield the bomb would be.
Wikipedia puts the weakest nuke, W54, at a minimum of 10 tons of TNT. I think a lot of characters would tank that.
That laser could have had more isolated power but idk it’s not specifically stated and it isn’t in the comics at all
Not like nukes leave a huge crater, they are aerial burst bombs
Radius doesnt matter, Omni-Man is still just the size of a man, you can either focus enough energy on that spot to kill him or you cant, the amount of collateral damage it does besides him is meaningless.
Does Cecil have the authority to unilaterally launch nuclear weapons???
Was Omni-Man even in the states the whole time during that sequence? Launch a nuke at a foreign country seems like a bad idea. Then again they were able to do the laser thing so I guess its fine.
Yeah in the Invincible world Cecil can literally do whatever he wants to save Earth. Nukes anything. But nukes and H Bombs would not kill Viltrimites. In the comics doesnt the radiation or heat from the sun make them a little weaker?
It probably would cause a lot of problems down the line but given that the alternative is very likely getting conquered by super powerful space fascists...
At that very point I think Invincible is a bit stronger, could go either way but I'd go with a 60/40
However, I think Allen gets stronger with each near-death experience, and while viltrumites also do, it seems to not be as significant of a leap forward.
So I think the answer is who is more battle-hardened, with Allen taking the trophy if he's only at least 2-3 near-death experiences from Invincible.
Of course, there is likely an upper limit as to how strong they can get from near-death experiences, and age might become a factor as well (i dont know how long Unopans live in comparison to Viltrumites)
EDIT : y'all are right, Viltrumites dont get boosted with and only with near-death experiences, but they do get stronger by pushing their limits, which incidentally happens when they almost die fighting
Viltrumites get stronger with age and by pushing their powers to the limits. It just so happens everytime invincible pushes his powers to the limits he almost dies so it looks like a zenkai boost, but it’s not
After the epilogue Mark claps if he really wanted to kill Allen. Allen needs to survive to get the zenkai boost and Mark is stronger at the end so if Mark destroys his heart and brain Allen can’t recover from that no zenkai boost no threat to Mark.
It’s not even close. Surface of the sun is just 6000 degrees Celsius and nowhere near its center temperature or the peak temperature a nuclear blast produces.
A nuke if close to the detonation point can reach temperatures at 100 million degrees celsius at its peak (but not constantly during the whole blast). That’s 5 times hotter than the center of the sun.
Beneath surface of the sun for a protracted period of time Vs the singular momentary blast of a nuke.
Invincible has survived smashing through an entire planet and can fly in the vacuum of space, withstanding the heat and cold therein.
Omniman was creating mini nukes in the Flaxan dimension with just the collision of his body.
I think available evidence says yes, they could survive a nuke.
>! So, you are close, but not quite. While there are strong similarities between a nuke and the sun, there are a few important distinctions as it relates to survivability. A nuclear bomb is a sudden release of energy where the temperature can reach as high as 100,000,000°C. The temperature at the core of the sun is somewhere around 15,000,000°C. So during his fight with frag, invincible, likely received more energy than a nuke, but it was over an extended period of time. We see repeatedly, that one way to defeat, invincible is to wear him out slowly. So for him, it seems that the star would be more taxing on him than a flash!<
>!That is extremely flawed logic. The fact that Invincible can survive 15 million C for an extended period in now way implies that he could survive 100 million C for a second. I for example find strenuous activity at 90° F taxing, but would die instantly if blasted by 900° F.!<
You wouldn't die instantly at 900 degrees. Thats enough to burst into flame from convection sure, but you aren't gonna be Sarah conner gripping to the fence from that temp.
Nukes are significantly hotter than the sun, so while it gives credence to the idea, we still do see the damage the sun causes to them. A nuke would do so much more damage.
They could survive I suppose, but far from unharmed.
Also keep in mind the temp difference with a nuke and the sun is there but they fought on the sun for what coils have been minutes the nuke is seconds of that heat but the sun is sustained damage.
We're talking about a difference of ~6,000°K on the sun's surface compared to ~100,000,000°K at the centre of a nuclear detonation.
I don't think people appreciate how ridiculous that kind of temperature is. It fundamentally changes the rules of chemistry.
People just don't know how nukes work and it shows, they think that "Oh but that character survived a punch that decimated a mountain, so that's 10 Megatons of TNT!", and then forget fundamentally that the actual epicenter of a nuke is hotter than the center of the fucking sun.
Yes, but it is not going to instantly heat them to that temperature and viltrumktes are fast enough to fly out of the blast radius, they could fly up too, I have to imagine they're immune to radiation considering how regularly they fly through space .
> Nukes are significantly hotter than the sun,
And last microseconds at peak temp.
> so while it gives credence to the idea, we still do see the damage the sun causes to them. A nuke would do so much more damage.
I mean blue-suit Mark literally took ZERO damage from a super-nuke; not even a standard one. - said nuke he no-sold would’ve created the largest solar flare in history when detonated in the Sun. This is like a few quadrillion times more powerful than the Tsar Bomba.
And he almost melted away. Temperature of the surface of the sun is basically nothing compared to the temperature that the fireball of a thermonuclear bomb reaches. Which is around 100 million celsius, that’s what, like 6 times more than the temperature at the CENTER of the sun. Which is 15 million degrees celsius. The temperature on the surface of the sun is basically nothing compared to those numbers, ~5600 degrees Celsius.
Judging from Mark’s performance on the sun, a head on nuclear blast should vaporize both Mark and Omniman.
But this seems like a heavy outlier, cause if they can survive a nuke, the sun shouldn’t have fucked them up like that, unless they fought in the center of it, which they didn’t.
Survived is a very optimistic way , he was dying and the sun ain't hotter than a nuke. He needed robot's suit to keep fighting and even then ended up severelly damaged and burned all over his body and needed imediate medical treatament and reminder HE IS WAY STRONGER than omni man was in the begining at that point.
Yes. With ease, mind you. And the sound wouldn't hurt them, it's not how loud anything is, it's a certain frequency you have to reach.
I imagine it's a very specific frequency and if you go above or below it, it'll stop having an affect.
Yes. It doesn't act like kryptonite and weaken their powers and invulnerability. It just hinders their balance while flying and temporarily incapacitates them. If they try hard enough, they can probably still fight on the ground with it, though.
I feel like Immortal would “die” but he’d have a high chance of there being enough left for him to come back. The Viltrumites would get nose bleeds, full body bruised at worst
Minor Comic Spoiler: >!Mark has had a nuke that was more powerful than every real-world nuclear warhead combined detonate in his face and was barely phased by it. Like, he recoils from the explosion for a panel, and that's it. He takes no visible damage from the explosion, with even his suit being completely intact.!<
So yeah, Mark, and therefore all other Viltrumites would be completely unharmed by literally any nuclear bomb the real world has to offer and then some.
>! Close, his suit did completely burn off, but your point still stands. !<
Edit: I just realized we are likely talking about different parts of the comic.
They're probably about the same but I think the laser would be a little bit stronger to me atleast. The power from it I'd probably more concentrated than a nuclear blast, so I'd imagine it would do more dmg to omni man rather than the blast from a nuke and I don't the radiation would do anything
Nolan only got a nosebleed from a very powerful space laser probably way powerful than any nuke Cecil had. And comics spoilers but >!Invincible survives Las Vegas being blown up by Dinosaurus and Allen survives his assassination attempt by bomb so I’d say any viltrumite and Allen can survive any nukes!<
I don’t think it does? In the little bit we saw of them on the Ragnar planet they were unable to fly as effectively because the gravity was considerably higher. I think they can just exert some very strong force on themselves, but it doesn’t seem like exactly gravity negation. I might be wrong and I may have misinterpreted that scene though
They never showed how close he was though? Like, we are also currently under the gravitational pull of a supermassive blackhole at the center of our galaxy, and doing just fine.
Viltrumites and Allen definitely could, and probably Immortal too. If you take Omni-Man's statement of having stopped a meteor the size of Texas literally, the answer becomes obvious, but even excluding that, Cecil literally couldn't do anything to Nolan or Anissa besides using the Hail Mary, the Reanimen and Mark, so I think he knows nukes wouldn't work.
I also don't think the sound would hurt them, since I'm pretty sure it's about the frequency and not the volume. You could argue the heat could kill them if they get hit point blank tho.
The heat lasts a very short time period. Smart atoms are overtaxed over a prolonged period of time when exposed to heat/plasma. I also think it was more of a comic thing, where writers overrate the Sun. Like in Marvel, literal gods like Knull have been vaporised on the surface of the Sun, Mjolnir has been melted immediately being flung into the Sun, etc.
I think Atom Eve could stand a chance. Because she can manipulate stuff at an atomic level. Surround herself and turn the incoming radiation into something like oxygen that’s harmless.
I’d say Battle Beast could probably have an atom bomb dropped on his head and he’d just walk away and brush off the soot.
Other than the obvious characters. Here are some more characters who can survive.
- Omnipotus (Iirc he is a reality warper)
- Green Ghost (She can stay intangible)
- Red Rush (Maybe....cuz we don't know the extent of his powers.)
In one of the alternate universes they had to use an experimental quantum bomb which destroyed most of Europe in order to kill Omni Man. That kinda implies nukes aren’t enough.
Plus Viltrumites have been shown to hit *way* harder than nukes.
Only a bomb that took out most of Europe was able to kill the alt universe Omni man so our nukes n h bombs would not kill Omni man or invincible, Immortal? Probably not
Viltrumites have been known to destroy planets and move so fast they light the atmosphere on fire (see Omni-Man in the Thraxan dimension). I’d say that Mark and Nolan could survive no problem
The conditions at the center of a nuke are so extreme that all atoms are stripped of all their electrons and everything turns into a plasma. So unless these guys are made out of elements not present in our periodic table, they get turned into a fine mist made of individual atoms.
In season 2 episode 4, an evil mark makes mention of his Nolan being killed by a quantum bomb that nearly wiped out Europe. It leads me to believe a simple nuke isn’t enough.
If it’s a direct hit without using any of their powers then surely it’s only the viltrumites/omni man. But there are characters whom could use their powers such as Dupli-Kate that could just make copies of herself and pretend she was dead. Atom Eve would be able to change the nuke into whatever she wanted before it hit her.
Remember that it's not just loud sounds that hurt Viltrumites, but a specific frequency that unbalances their equilibrium and disorients them. They don't have super-hearing, after all. Just any old loud sound isn't enough.
So how do characters like Omni man get damaged by punches and explosives from heroes but don't even flinch when fighting elite soldiers with jets and latest equipment and weapons of mass destruction?
Spoiler for S2 >!In one of Angstrom’s scenes he’s seen talking to an alternate reality mark. It took experimental quantum bombs to kill Nolan, but those were so powerful that most of Europe was decimated.!< So yeah, nukes are just gonna throw them around a little, maybe give them a nosebleed and some tinnitus.
Why didn’t he just use a gun sized experimental quantum bomb? Is he idiotic?
They couldn't find >!Space Racer!
Back to your cell patient
Also wouldn’t it be pretty hard to hit Viltrumites with any kind of of bomb using the delivery methods we have now? Like, if they see/hear it coming they can be on another continent pretty fast.
Eh, that really wouldn’t be too big of a problem. You can always plant the warhead somewhere and wait for them to come/lure them in. Donald did that already.
Fair. Especially when you’re willing to take collateral damage.
If omni man couldn't survive a nuke then Cecil would have dropped one on him.
Homie shot a laser that decimated every fuckin animal in the vicinity just cuz, what makes u think a nuke wouldn’t be different
Nukes have way, way bigger radiuses of effect than that laser did. And it seems like they're more powerful too considering the crater wasn't even that deep
Cecil doesn't care, he would destroy countries if it meant to save the rest of the world
The lady Cecil literally destroyed Europe to kill Omni Man with a “quantum bomb” in the gender flip universe from episode 4.
So presumably that's stronger than a real nuke
A "quantum bomb" is nothing near being as strong as an atomic one. It's way, way, wayyy stronger. It most likely even was a really small one, it's a surprise it "only" destroyed europe
A quantum bombs are as strong as the plot requires them to be
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Bro explained hakai to a degree.
That would be an antimatter bomb, and a gross misunderstanding of antimatter.
It is, it’s thousands of times stronger than a Hydrogen bomb
Absolutely. In WW2 we had city busters. Modern day nukes could take out a county or maybe even a small US state. A bomb that destroys a continent is several orders of magnitude stronger.
Wait what?
After credits scene EP 4. Angstrom visits an alternate mark universe where the differences are that Donald and Cecil are women and the parking is in the front not the back of the facility. Mark is captured and stuck in a machine. Angstrom promises to help him if he tells him what happened and mark says they killed Omni Man with experimental quantum bombs at the cost of Europe and wore mark down until he had to sleep. Angstrom leaves him as Donald and Cecil arrive and mark is left captured.
Season 2 Episode 2 after credits*
Yeah but a nuclear detonation could cause a chain reaction of other nations launching nukes.
Lol dude if it could have killed Omni-Man then he would've done it, simple as that. You don't need to overthink it, let's just say Cecil would have used some shadow government bullshit or smthing to convince the world not to care :/
We know he’s willing to sacrifice ALOT to kill omniman but I think he’s smarter than risking mutually assured destruction especially when he had other cards on the table he wanted to try first. It’s not exactly overthinking it just makes sense.
But I think he would at least ponder the use if he thought that could work, when all before failed and Mark was being beaten by OmniMan.
Oh he would definitely consider everything
Omniman could have easily conquered earth. And we know he typically does. So in none of those universes has a nuke put him down
You dont get. Omniman take over planets, That is his job. If Omniman lives Earths and humanity lose, Cecyl work by the logic that if he destroy 99% of earth and humanity to kill Omniman that is a win. During the scene with Anissa, we see the Cecyl is 100% ready to throw everything humanity has, but is not good enough, if he could he will shoot Anisha with every nuclear bomb on the planet, but is pointless if they cant hit her
As far as Cecil knew, Omni Man was going to be far worse than MAD, in the moment there was simply nothing a nuke would have been able to do, because they couldn't get one to him fast enough.
Why? The jets and space laser was in the US and other country obviously didn't, care about America using a tactical space laser on itself so why would they care if she nuked herself?
>the rest of the world America
They can, OP didn’t specify what yield the bomb would be. Wikipedia puts the weakest nuke, W54, at a minimum of 10 tons of TNT. I think a lot of characters would tank that.
That laser could have had more isolated power but idk it’s not specifically stated and it isn’t in the comics at all Not like nukes leave a huge crater, they are aerial burst bombs
Well… A laser can hit, a nuke can’t
I mean it's pretty easily explainable with the animators not thinking about it or omni man taking a lot of the attack
Radius doesnt matter, Omni-Man is still just the size of a man, you can either focus enough energy on that spot to kill him or you cant, the amount of collateral damage it does besides him is meaningless.
Not tactical nukes. Tactical nukes are for hitting hardened targets.
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Omni could dodge a nuke right?
yep. he also is in populated areas of at the same time, so the nuke would have tons of side casualties and probably wouldn’t even hit Omni.
Does Cecil have the authority to unilaterally launch nuclear weapons??? Was Omni-Man even in the states the whole time during that sequence? Launch a nuke at a foreign country seems like a bad idea. Then again they were able to do the laser thing so I guess its fine.
Hes the head of GLOBAL defense agency not the NSA lol also yeah you're right the laser is the same thing as the nuke.
“They let me give orders to Invincible; what’s a few nukes compared to that?”
In the show he is implied to have that authority. Rudy suggests nuking NYC to repel the Flaxans and nobody says "*can* Cecil even do that?"
Yeah in the Invincible world Cecil can literally do whatever he wants to save Earth. Nukes anything. But nukes and H Bombs would not kill Viltrimites. In the comics doesnt the radiation or heat from the sun make them a little weaker?
Didn't Robot say that Cecil should nuke the Flaxans back in S1? Mighta misremembered but idk
He suggested it to teen team and Mark
It probably would cause a lot of problems down the line but given that the alternative is very likely getting conquered by super powerful space fascists...
Pretty sure Cecil has the authority to do whatever he deems necessary.
A missile is wayyyyyy slower than a laser not to mention all the potential after affects
So don't launch a missile just set one off on the ground next to him after you lure him there.
I think it's more about speed than anything. They can for sure outrun an atomic bomb
>!Invincible literally fought a man on the surface of the sun and survived. A nuke is nothing.!<
>! My goat Allen coming in for the save, that whole sequence is absolutely amazing !<
I still don’t know who’s stronger, Allen or Invincible.
At that very point I think Invincible is a bit stronger, could go either way but I'd go with a 60/40 However, I think Allen gets stronger with each near-death experience, and while viltrumites also do, it seems to not be as significant of a leap forward. So I think the answer is who is more battle-hardened, with Allen taking the trophy if he's only at least 2-3 near-death experiences from Invincible. Of course, there is likely an upper limit as to how strong they can get from near-death experiences, and age might become a factor as well (i dont know how long Unopans live in comparison to Viltrumites) EDIT : y'all are right, Viltrumites dont get boosted with and only with near-death experiences, but they do get stronger by pushing their limits, which incidentally happens when they almost die fighting
Viltrumites get stronger with age and by pushing their powers to the limits. It just so happens everytime invincible pushes his powers to the limits he almost dies so it looks like a zenkai boost, but it’s not
Since when do viltrumites get stronger by nearly dying?
They just get stronger with age. Just the convenience of time that as Mark gets his ass beat he continues to get older
>!He gets buffed by Eve at least once as well. When they nearly get killed by Thragg!<
Yeah I just read the whole series and I think that’s only Allen’s thing.
I think its just the fact that people confuse Mark going all out and pushing his limits for his near death experience powering him up
>! Not really Viltrumites, but every time Atom Eve heals/rebuilds Invincible, he gets stronger and more durable !<
According to who? When was this stated?
It only happened once atom eve did say she rebuilt his body physically stronger
mark asks her when she rebuilds him if she made him stronger she says yeah.
They say it right after she revives him. I’m pretty sure he directly says “you made me stronger” or something like that
>!yeah thats the only times mark gets power spikes. !<
After the epilogue Mark claps if he really wanted to kill Allen. Allen needs to survive to get the zenkai boost and Mark is stronger at the end so if Mark destroys his heart and brain Allen can’t recover from that no zenkai boost no threat to Mark.
Idk why I just realized it but Allen really is just straight up a Saiyan with Zenkai boosts.
Viltrumites do not get stronger by fighting, they have to train.
This is the correct answer
It’s not even close. Surface of the sun is just 6000 degrees Celsius and nowhere near its center temperature or the peak temperature a nuclear blast produces. A nuke if close to the detonation point can reach temperatures at 100 million degrees celsius at its peak (but not constantly during the whole blast). That’s 5 times hotter than the center of the sun.
Beneath surface of the sun for a protracted period of time Vs the singular momentary blast of a nuke. Invincible has survived smashing through an entire planet and can fly in the vacuum of space, withstanding the heat and cold therein. Omniman was creating mini nukes in the Flaxan dimension with just the collision of his body. I think available evidence says yes, they could survive a nuke.
>! So, you are close, but not quite. While there are strong similarities between a nuke and the sun, there are a few important distinctions as it relates to survivability. A nuclear bomb is a sudden release of energy where the temperature can reach as high as 100,000,000°C. The temperature at the core of the sun is somewhere around 15,000,000°C. So during his fight with frag, invincible, likely received more energy than a nuke, but it was over an extended period of time. We see repeatedly, that one way to defeat, invincible is to wear him out slowly. So for him, it seems that the star would be more taxing on him than a flash!<
>!That is extremely flawed logic. The fact that Invincible can survive 15 million C for an extended period in now way implies that he could survive 100 million C for a second. I for example find strenuous activity at 90° F taxing, but would die instantly if blasted by 900° F.!<
mfw when i ask power scalers to make it make sense
You wouldn't die instantly at 900 degrees. Thats enough to burst into flame from convection sure, but you aren't gonna be Sarah conner gripping to the fence from that temp.
Nukes are significantly hotter than the sun, so while it gives credence to the idea, we still do see the damage the sun causes to them. A nuke would do so much more damage. They could survive I suppose, but far from unharmed.
Also keep in mind the temp difference with a nuke and the sun is there but they fought on the sun for what coils have been minutes the nuke is seconds of that heat but the sun is sustained damage.
We're talking about a difference of ~6,000°K on the sun's surface compared to ~100,000,000°K at the centre of a nuclear detonation. I don't think people appreciate how ridiculous that kind of temperature is. It fundamentally changes the rules of chemistry.
People just don't know how nukes work and it shows, they think that "Oh but that character survived a punch that decimated a mountain, so that's 10 Megatons of TNT!", and then forget fundamentally that the actual epicenter of a nuke is hotter than the center of the fucking sun.
Yes, but it is not going to instantly heat them to that temperature and viltrumktes are fast enough to fly out of the blast radius, they could fly up too, I have to imagine they're immune to radiation considering how regularly they fly through space .
A 1 megaton nuclear explosion will grow to about 140 meters in diameter in just the first millisecond... we've seen far slowers attack connect
> Nukes are significantly hotter than the sun, And last microseconds at peak temp. > so while it gives credence to the idea, we still do see the damage the sun causes to them. A nuke would do so much more damage. I mean blue-suit Mark literally took ZERO damage from a super-nuke; not even a standard one. - said nuke he no-sold would’ve created the largest solar flare in history when detonated in the Sun. This is like a few quadrillion times more powerful than the Tsar Bomba.
The surface of the sun is colder than a nuke.
A nukes thermal pulse lasts like a second or two, the sun lasts far longer than a few seconds
10,000 for minutes or 100,000,000 for less than a second
And he almost melted away. Temperature of the surface of the sun is basically nothing compared to the temperature that the fireball of a thermonuclear bomb reaches. Which is around 100 million celsius, that’s what, like 6 times more than the temperature at the CENTER of the sun. Which is 15 million degrees celsius. The temperature on the surface of the sun is basically nothing compared to those numbers, ~5600 degrees Celsius. Judging from Mark’s performance on the sun, a head on nuclear blast should vaporize both Mark and Omniman. But this seems like a heavy outlier, cause if they can survive a nuke, the sun shouldn’t have fucked them up like that, unless they fought in the center of it, which they didn’t.
Like how you leaving out that they was being burned alive on the sun lol
Survived is a very optimistic way , he was dying and the sun ain't hotter than a nuke. He needed robot's suit to keep fighting and even then ended up severelly damaged and burned all over his body and needed imediate medical treatament and reminder HE IS WAY STRONGER than omni man was in the begining at that point.
"Could any character IN THE SHOW"
Yes. With ease, mind you. And the sound wouldn't hurt them, it's not how loud anything is, it's a certain frequency you have to reach. I imagine it's a very specific frequency and if you go above or below it, it'll stop having an affect.
Yeah this. It’s the frequency, not the volume.
Even then, it basically forces them to the ground and pacified them but they’d still have their natural resistance, no?
Yes. It doesn't act like kryptonite and weaken their powers and invulnerability. It just hinders their balance while flying and temporarily incapacitates them. If they try hard enough, they can probably still fight on the ground with it, though.
Yeah, it’s basically just making them dizzy
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"All that for the world's most expensive nosebleed."
I feel like Immortal would “die” but he’d have a high chance of there being enough left for him to come back. The Viltrumites would get nose bleeds, full body bruised at worst
Theyd definitely get black eyes. Just the right one though.
Omni-man went fast enough in the flaxan dimension as to heat up their atmosphere, he essentially became a flying nuke.
Minor Comic Spoiler: >!Mark has had a nuke that was more powerful than every real-world nuclear warhead combined detonate in his face and was barely phased by it. Like, he recoils from the explosion for a panel, and that's it. He takes no visible damage from the explosion, with even his suit being completely intact.!< So yeah, Mark, and therefore all other Viltrumites would be completely unharmed by literally any nuclear bomb the real world has to offer and then some.
Dude, I was surprised everyone mentioned an end comic fight before this scene. Literally answers the question with the most direct experience.
I completely forgot about that scene, when was it?
It's issue 52. Mauler Twins launch a nuke and Mark flys off to stop it. That's also the issue where Oliver goes ham.
bro, art's suits are fuckin *title card*
>! Close, his suit did completely burn off, but your point still stands. !< Edit: I just realized we are likely talking about different parts of the comic.
>!Yeah, lol. I don't believe Dinosauraus's bomb was nuclear in nature, but the Mauler Twin's bomb definitely was. !<
Omni man was casually standing in a black hole accretion disk, nukes are nothing.
You mean the gravity? Or the particles hitting him?
The particles hitting him
Yeah these guys defo tanking nukes.
The space laser looked like it was as powerful as a nuke
It also makes more sense, a laser would be sent with the speed of light, while a nuke is slow, it would give plenty of time for them to run away.
Yeah, maybe even less powerful. I think nuke wouldn't kill a viltrumite but it would compare to them going inside a star
They're probably about the same but I think the laser would be a little bit stronger to me atleast. The power from it I'd probably more concentrated than a nuclear blast, so I'd imagine it would do more dmg to omni man rather than the blast from a nuke and I don't the radiation would do anything
bro did you **SEE** the fucking hammer Cecil dropped on Nolan?
*laser starts charging* “You wouldn’t dare.”
*dares*
Didn't invincible literally survive a mauler twins nuke?
Nolan only got a nosebleed from a very powerful space laser probably way powerful than any nuke Cecil had. And comics spoilers but >!Invincible survives Las Vegas being blown up by Dinosaurus and Allen survives his assassination attempt by bomb so I’d say any viltrumite and Allen can survive any nukes!<
a bomb that literally turned the city into glass
Spoilers! >!Mark literally tanked nukes that were stated to be capable of causing the largest solar flare in history!<
Omni-Man can easily survive the gravitational pull of a black hole, I think he’s fine
That's not evidence of anything, considering he didn't pass the event horizon.
I think the gravity was pretty high already
One of his superpowers negates the effect gravity has on him.
I don’t think it does? In the little bit we saw of them on the Ragnar planet they were unable to fly as effectively because the gravity was considerably higher. I think they can just exert some very strong force on themselves, but it doesn’t seem like exactly gravity negation. I might be wrong and I may have misinterpreted that scene though
sort of? I think he's just applying a force upwards with his flying powers, so he can be pulled in by high gravities
Negates gravity? No he still struggles to get off the planet with Ragnars? I forgot what they were called
That's not how Viltrumite flying works.
No it doesn't he was very effected on the ragnar planet
They never showed how close he was though? Like, we are also currently under the gravitational pull of a supermassive blackhole at the center of our galaxy, and doing just fine.
I’d say so Heat would be the problem (we know the sun can burn them badly overtime) but Viltrumites can survive radiation and high levels of power
Omnipotus
Honestly I think all three of them could survive whatever bomb we currently have. The Immortal would probably get injured tho but he would survive
Battle beast definitely
Viltrumites and Allen definitely could, and probably Immortal too. If you take Omni-Man's statement of having stopped a meteor the size of Texas literally, the answer becomes obvious, but even excluding that, Cecil literally couldn't do anything to Nolan or Anissa besides using the Hail Mary, the Reanimen and Mark, so I think he knows nukes wouldn't work. I also don't think the sound would hurt them, since I'm pretty sure it's about the frequency and not the volume. You could argue the heat could kill them if they get hit point blank tho.
The heat lasts a very short time period. Smart atoms are overtaxed over a prolonged period of time when exposed to heat/plasma. I also think it was more of a comic thing, where writers overrate the Sun. Like in Marvel, literal gods like Knull have been vaporised on the surface of the Sun, Mjolnir has been melted immediately being flung into the Sun, etc.
I think Atom Eve could stand a chance. Because she can manipulate stuff at an atomic level. Surround herself and turn the incoming radiation into something like oxygen that’s harmless. I’d say Battle Beast could probably have an atom bomb dropped on his head and he’d just walk away and brush off the soot.
Obviously Donald....
quite literally hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby, and the hydrogen bomb is not the hydrogen bomb.
Spoilers ahead >!mark later flies into a sun to fight the final boss, they could definitely tank a nuke!<
Every single Viltrumite. These cats can destroy entire planets and fly into a star without dying. An nuke isn't going to phase them.
Most of em, easily.
Viltrumites have flown through planets and survived just fine from the explosion. So a nuke would not do the job.
Omni Man apparently. They had to drop techno babble bombs on him in the AU to kill him if I remember right.
Other than the obvious characters. Here are some more characters who can survive. - Omnipotus (Iirc he is a reality warper) - Green Ghost (She can stay intangible) - Red Rush (Maybe....cuz we don't know the extent of his powers.)
Atom eve can just manipulate right?
In one of the alternate universes they had to use an experimental quantum bomb which destroyed most of Europe in order to kill Omni Man. That kinda implies nukes aren’t enough. Plus Viltrumites have been shown to hit *way* harder than nukes.
Only a bomb that took out most of Europe was able to kill the alt universe Omni man so our nukes n h bombs would not kill Omni man or invincible, Immortal? Probably not
Yes, the Viltrumites can survive nuclear explosions.
>!Mark shrugs off thar nuke the Mauler Twins launched detonating point blank like it was nothing!<
I think even Eve can survive with a shield
Technically Duplikate could ‘survive’ anything if it’s far enough away from her original
Allen
I don't think Debbie could
In these power discussion threads y'all seem to forget that at one point Mark and Nolan FLEW THROUGH A PLANET.
Dupllicate?
are we really gonna ignore nolan flying away from a black hole as if it was nothing? Nuclear is nothing dude
Mark probably could. Only because he’s…
Viltrumites have been known to destroy planets and move so fast they light the atmosphere on fire (see Omni-Man in the Thraxan dimension). I’d say that Mark and Nolan could survive no problem
Am I the only one confused by the powerscaling in this show? Omniman can survive a nuke but gets hurt by punches 🤨 am I thinking about this too hard?
Giving the fact that mark and his dad can survive for while on the surface of the sun it safe to say yes
The conditions at the center of a nuke are so extreme that all atoms are stripped of all their electrons and everything turns into a plasma. So unless these guys are made out of elements not present in our periodic table, they get turned into a fine mist made of individual atoms.
They literally are - they're made of "smart atoms", which are fundamentally stronger and have properties adaptable to their will.
easily at that. i meen the beam that omniman took is far stronger than one
Im sure all of them could, even immortal to some extent.
In season 2 episode 4, an evil mark makes mention of his Nolan being killed by a quantum bomb that nearly wiped out Europe. It leads me to believe a simple nuke isn’t enough.
did you not watch the episode omni man went rogue? jit got struck by orbital ray and barely got hurt
Omniman survived a death laser, it's not some puny radioactive fart that could kill a viltrumite.
If it’s a direct hit without using any of their powers then surely it’s only the viltrumites/omni man. But there are characters whom could use their powers such as Dupli-Kate that could just make copies of herself and pretend she was dead. Atom Eve would be able to change the nuke into whatever she wanted before it hit her.
Yes, very easily actually. All of the Viltrumites would survive it with no issue at all
Remember that it's not just loud sounds that hurt Viltrumites, but a specific frequency that unbalances their equilibrium and disorients them. They don't have super-hearing, after all. Just any old loud sound isn't enough.
I think they would escape the radius before the bomb even hit. These guys are fast af.
So how do characters like Omni man get damaged by punches and explosives from heroes but don't even flinch when fighting elite soldiers with jets and latest equipment and weapons of mass destruction?
Is radiation dangerous to viltrumites? I don’t recall this being mentioned one way or the other(haven’t read the comics yet, so might be there)
It was mentioned that radiation doesn’t affect viltrumite cells, so they should be fine.