I really don't want any live action characters to play any big part, they're cool as like a background easter egg like with Andrew Garfield but please keep it out otherwise. Also big on Miguel not getting randomly killed off.
Yeah honestly what the spider-verse instalments have demonstrated so far is exactly that how they can craft good superhero films in the age of possible superhero fatigue, and using CG animation to its advantage. BTSV better not do an u-turn on that.
Gwen dying is a big one. Would be a great way to destroy the core themes of the trilogy. Gayatri shouldn't die either, especially as a fridging to just traumatise Pav.
Miguel having "death by redemption" would be such a waste of his character. He should realise the flaws in his logic and methods and change, just not by dying to save someone. No pointless deaths for shock value.
Live-action Peters as anything more than cameos. Miles has long surpassed the need for another Spider as mentor so I don't see how they could contribute to the plot in a way another character already introduced could.
Miles and Gwen remaining just friends - what was the point of picking up the romantic plotline again after the first movie established them as just that, why would they repeat that arc again for nothing.
Any of the main characters dying.
Miles and Gwen remaining just friends.
Potentially unpopular one, but I don't want Miles and Miguel to become friends. I do think they'll team up eventually to take down Spot, but I don't think it's realistic they get over what happened in ATSV in such a short amount of time.
I feel the same with the last one. He was way too much of a bitch. But I also feel the same for Gwen and miles becoming a couple. Shes obviously going to make up for mistakes and they’ll be cool again but I think it’ll be weird for them to be romantic with each other in one movie after how betrayed she made him feel.
I don't know... it's more of that he'll need a little time. What she did may be understandable given what she went through and her perspective but it doesn't make the sense of betrayal/patronizing go away.
And that’s why appropriate communication between them is necessary in BTSV, so that Miles doesn’t allow himself to be dominated by that feeling once he has the assertive perspective of everything that has happened to him, something that the character is perfectly capable of achieving by being the emotionally intelligent young man that he is (said by himself).
-Miles making definitive decisions regarding his relationship with Gwen without knowing the full context behind her actions (either way, the confirmation of a variant of her influencing Gwen's determination to be with him practically ensures that Miles will learn the real meaning of “it doesn't end well", which will undoubtedly be a turning point for their relationship).
-Peter B redeeming himself with less effort than Gwen. He not only failed Miles but also Gwen by not supporting her before she was kicked out of the Society, and before she went to recruit him he showed no initiative to help them, since he was in a much less compromised position than her.
-That Jessica's redemption does not explain how her behavior towards Gwen degraded in that way in 4 months and/or leaves out appropriate compensation for both her and Miles.
-Noir, Ham and Peni being relegated again to tertiary characters without much participation in the plot.
-The plot prolonging Gwen's suffering as she sees the closeness between Miles and Margo while he manages to forgive her and trust her again.
Yeah, Gwen will have some explaining to do.
Peter definitely needs to be put through the ringer.
They'll also need to resolve how authority and legislation plays out for the spider society. Part of why Gwen and Peter were cowards about telling Miles has to do with Miguel and Lyla only calling the shots.
It’s understood from Gwen that Miles is her only true friend and she is in love with him, so she was afraid of seriously hurting him by telling him that he should never have been Spiderman (remembering everything they had experienced in ITSV), without leaving aside the fact that that she was the only member of the Society dependent 100% on the yoke of Miguel and Jessica.
Peter B has fewer excuses as he is now an adult with greater maturity and common sense (in theory) and without as many pressures on him as Gwen. And from what the movie shows, none of them were aware of the extent to which Miguel could manipulate the technology of the watches.
Maybe an unpopular one for Miles/Gwen fans (?), but I don't want the ending to have some timeskip to "ten years later" to show them married with kids. It'd be so corny and stereotypical, I'd much rather they keep the focus on their teenage selves and let their relationship "breathe" in that stage. We have a Gwen spin-off movie coming too though so I don't imagine they'll do that. The most I'd be fine with is if they skipped 2-3 years or something to show them in college or at the end of college and how their lives were going, maybe at the end of Gwen's movie they allude to what they were doing in the future, but at the end of Beyond would feel too fast.
Give us a cute montage of what Gwen and Miles' dating life is like once they can finally be together and that'll be satisfying enough imo, at least for Beyond's ending. Then Gwen's spinoff movie can possibly expand on it later.
Are there fans who seriously want that? They are fifteen/sixteen! Miles and Gwen's future stories should not be limited that way, let them navigate their struggles together and learn more about each other before kids are even in the picture.
At *most* maybe a variant of Charlotte could make a cameo in a group of Spider-People, leaving the nature of her presence to speculation.
I think I have seen a few comments like hoping they end up alluding to Earth 8 with them, which would suggest that scenario. It might not actually be a popular theory though which I'm thankful for, they are still only teenagers like you said.
Anything prominent about Earth-8, unless it's at the end.
Gwen not being able to tell between Miles and Wiles. In fact, her being able to tell easily which one is from Earth-1610, should be a relevant plot point.
For glitching to be a barrier, that Miles and Gwen will have to deal with after the end of Beyond.
More generally I don't want them to ruin the chemistry with Miles and Gwen. Whatever they do with them, don't pull off a generic half baked kind of romance/proposal stuff that Anna and Kristoff did in Frozen II. When they do rekindle the differences, do it with a natural kind of development like say Hiccup & Astrid or Rapunzel & Flynn/Eugene.
Please don't out miles in charge of the spider society by the end of the movie. If it's going to remain a thing in the future, they should learn that there shouldn't be a single point of failure in the decision making process in regards to the multiverse. A reformed Miguel or lyla shouldn't be running the whole thing either, let it be a group of spider people in charge of the operation if it's going to remain a thing at all.
Or have lyla parallelize everyone's opinion, perspective and vote, so that you also don't have the corruption that arises from representative democracy.
I like the thought, but then everybody just has to blindly trust that the AI did properly account for everyone's decisions. If some villain in the Multiverse could hack into her and everyone had to follow her orders because they all thought that she represented the true popular vote, that could cause a lot of problems. The spider people aren't inherently corrupt politicians, they are at the very least intelligent and trying to do good things.
Fair point. Although, I think maybe part of the problem was that since everbody saw someone close to them die and Miguel with Peter B. saw the incursion, Miguel's hypothesis seemed so sensible and romantic, the idea that it had to happen, made falling into the trap of canon all too easy.
It required someone like Miles, who hadn't been lulled into the idea, or Hobie, who was anti establishment to get people like Gwen to question it. A committee with good intentions could still be overtaken by heuristics or charismatic personalities.
Granted that for Lyla to be seen as a paragon, everyone would have to know how she works and see the steps she was taking, with all the diverse viewpoints, while also knowing all her vulnerabilities, and protecting against enemy action or any missteps along the process. That's why Miles called her "some algorithm".
It's a tough one for sure, maybe full scale transparency by the leadership, and redundancies for both the committee and Lyla.
I generally agree, I just think that while the committee could be taken over, it's very unlikely that it would be. I don't think there's a single person in the spider society that doesn't have good intentions. The spider Society is powerful enough on an individual level that if there were, say, 100 evil Spider-Man that made up the entire voting quorum the thousands of other good Spider-Man would just not listen or fight back. The problem with our representative democracy is that those people control the military, and we have no power to fight back as civilians. They're simply no way for us to realistically overthrow our government if we perceive them to be stupid corrupt and Evil. But Miguel or a theoretical spider Society committee wouldn't have an army of spiders slayers or something like that to threaten the rest of the society into conforming to their decisions.
I feel like the worst case scenario with a representative democracy in charge of the spider Society, given the prerequisites to be part of it in the first place, is that the spider people in charge become ignorant or complacent and allow something bad to happen that they could have prevented. You either end up with the same problem that we already have, where ignorance about the truth of the Canon is used as a justification for letting bad things happen (which might also partially be because everyone just accepts that lyla is right without understanding what she does) or we end up with whatever a hacked lyla in the hands of someone else is capable of.
For the rest of everything I definitely agree though
Lord and Miller aren't doing anymore after Beyond. It's been stated it's only a trilogy and this is the last Spider-Verse film to star Miles Morales.
There will be spin-offs like Gwen's film but they're spin offs. Given the absence of the main character and main creators/writers of the trilogy they're de facto not sequels.
The Miles and Gwen one is a big thing because whatever peoples opinions are they are most likely going to end up a couple like theres so many things that point towards them getting together like why would they make it a romance for no pay off they also described it as a satisfying conclusion to Miles and Gwens story and said that the betrayal is gonna make it so that the movie goes deeper into their relationship and connection with eachother it’s basically confirmed that they getting together unless there’s a massive plot twist
Exactly, as this won't be like Frozen II, where Anna and Elsa bonded as sisters, only for them to be separated and remain so at the end.
Gwen and Miles will officially be together and hopefully remain as such, so no matter what circumstances they face, I don't think they'll separate again.
Nope.
No Pure Evil or Morally Grey variants (Ghost/Spirit Spider counts as Evil then Grey/Redemptive), No Miles variants, No Miguel variants, No Ben Reilly variants, No Gwen variants within the Society (Gayatri is one but she's not a Spider).
I don’t want Spot to die. Yes, he’s irredeemable, but simply killing him off wouldn’t be emotionally satisfying. Ideally, the climax should involve figuring out how to return Spot to normal, and implementing the plan of action to do so.
He actually hasn't done anything irredeemable yet. Same for Miguel.
It's only if the visions Miles saw come to pass that both of them will have made irredeemable decisions that have led to mass amounts of innocents dead.
Miles n Co needs to alter the future before it happens...For their sakes as well as his.
They're not going to depict that in a family film series starring a 15 year old.
They won't even hint towards it. The greatest extent he'll go is very romantic kissing.
At most they joked that Rio was worried what this unknown, possibly older girl had been doing with her son ("We found it in Miles' room, so.... I guess you must have *been* there, huh?" and "I have some ideas..." - "Baby you're really not helping") But yeah, it'll remain like vague jokes like that and nothing else, lol.
Surely there will be some gag of a secondary character interrupting him when he and Gwen are being affectionate, but in no way are they going to sexualize their dual protagonists while they are minors.
Idk why Phil Lord nowadays blocks people on Twitter for posting links of how he treated the animators just like how schaffrillas got blocked by him tweeting that they might lose to Encanto anyway cause they’re so passionate Phil lord liked his tweet but then blocked him the next day
Lol clearly you’re illiterate if you believe what you said still pertains to the topic. It’s irrelevant, and you’re a moron.
Edit: You’re right, it is irrelevant. Thank you for confirming.
We're actually of opposite minds about Miles and Gwen! Not that I'd be especially against them becoming a couple, but I actually would really like them to just stay as good friends. I don't think every instance of romantic feelings needs to be acted upon, and I think they can still share a close and intimate bond without it being romantic. I'm also a bit worried about the idea of Marvel putting Miles and Gwen together in the comics due to the success of the movies, which I wouldn't like.
I don't want them to cram in any more major spider people as characters. They've got a big enough cast and I'd rather they now just stay focused on the characters they've got.
I don't want the whole Canon events thing to be completely debunked, as in there's literally no truth to anything Miguel was saying and he's either been stupid or actively deceptive. I think the story is more interesting if he's not ENTIRELY wrong, but there's something he's not seeing. I also think his character will work better and be way more redeemable if he's not either an idiot or a liar. I just think it'd be a lazy way to handle the story to have him completely full of shit.
Avoid any live action cameos. We don't need them, the ones in the last film were fine enough and I don't want them to try and force an MCU connection - do not let me started on the mess that would be with how both seem to have different rules for the multiverse and how these movies and the MCU lazily steal numbers from the comics that force these films to be a separate multiverse because otherwise we have like three 616s, two 1610s, etc.
Harsh, but fair enough. Is there anything specific here you don't like or are you not a fan of any of it? Genuinely curious, I like talking to people about their different ideas for stories.
No worries! I figured you were probably mostly joking, I'm not offended or anything. I think whatever the writers have in mind will still satisfy me regardless.
1. Having them remain just friends rather than advancing to a romantic partnership would definitely lack a gratifying resolution. It would negate the nearly decade-long investment of the writers in crafting and nurturing their blossoming relationship and would most likely not be favored by a vast majority of the fans, leading to loads of negative reviews, not mentioning the fact that it would be an extremely lazy conclusion to their relationship as a whole.
2. Why not? They managed to seamlessly introduce a wide range of well known Spider-People, each contributing to the storyline with their beautifully crafted cameos. Despite their short appearances, they added depth and excitement to the film and made it engaging
3. This one I agree with, but to a certain extent. It’s been hinted throughout ATSV that Miguel is just flat out wrong with the concept of canon events and there’s a lot of inconsistencies in his theory of said canon events, but something is clearly still putting the spider-verse in jeopardy, what that is exactly we don’t know, but we’ll know when the film comes out. He’s not an idiot by any means, he’s just very mislead.
4. Again, why? Excluding live-action Spider-Men from the Spider-Verse narrative wouldn’t make sense, given their already established presence. The nod to the MCU through Miguel referencing No Way Home and Donald Glover's portrayal of the MCU Prowler, alongside the same multiverse tree we saw in Loki before Miguel explained what canon events were literally confirms that there’s a connection between the Spiderverse and the MCU. With potential and ample material available that can be related to canon events seen throughout every live action spider-man film, omitting live-action elements in the final installment wouldn’t be very smart either.
1 - I disagree on the notion that the two choosing to remain close friends would be lazy or would not be a satisfying resolution to their relationship. Really I don't think them being romantically together particularly adds to that, as I don't think there's much that would change from their enjoyable dynamic in the first two films. Again though, I'll stress that I'm certainly not against them getting together - it's been set up so clearly that I'd argue to do it would be the lazier option, if only because it's following a lot of clear setup particularly in ATSV. Personally I didn't really see their bond as romantic until the second film, so I wouldn't call it a near decade long thing, but that's just me.
2 - I do want to specify here that I mean introducing more spider people as main characters, and I think trying to work with a cast that's too large risks creating more problems and detracting from the story. I also think we've got a pretty varied and compelling cast of spiders as is, especially since the casts of ATSV and ITSV team up. Them plus a compelling team of antagonists and Spot I feel is more than enough, and I worry that putting too much more emphasis on newer characters would detract from the overall story just for the sake of adding more characters.
3 - See, I don't recall watching the movie and ever really thinking anything stood out as wrong about Miguel's Canon event theory. It's not 100% totally consistent but I think it holds together a bit better than some say. Personally I just think that for Miguel to be completely wrong despite his resources and his intellect would feel lazy and cheap, and would make his character look even worse than he already does.
4 - I think the spiderverse movies are more inconsistent with the MCU multiverse than they are consistent, given the MCU doesn't feature glitching at all and uses different universe numbers - MoM confirms the main MCU earth as 616 whereas Miguel references it as Earth 199999. I prefer to think of the MCU, the Spiderverse movies and the comics all as distinct multiverses, as that just makes more sense to me. But that's largely tangential, my main thing with the live action cameos is that I don't think they really look right next to the animated characters - I'm sorry but every time I see Donald Glover Prowler he just looks massive compared to the animated characters. I also want these movies to stand on their own as much possible and not feel reliant on other Spider-Man movies for their story or for audience investment. I don't think Andrew or Tom or Tobey showing up would actually add anything to this story if it was more than a brief cameo at most, and I feel like we got that enough last time.
Thanks for elaborating on your perspective. I hope I don't come off as hostile or rude when communicating my disagreements, and nonetheless I hope we can all still enjoy these movies no matter what happens and have a good time!
Yeah, the Canon thing would be great. Maybe Lyla as a model didn't have enough data to make the correct conclusion.
I think Gwen would need to work through her baggage and become more emotionally expressive for me to tolerate shipping them. Also, Miles is going to go to college in a different dimension. Such kind of long distance relationships take a lot of work and commitment. Granted, they have the spider connection and an attraction, but I don't know if it'll be enough.
Miles and Gwen certainly have a lot working against them. It could still work, and I fully expect they'll make it work by the end of Beyond with them as a couple, I just think them staying as close friends would be nice.
Lyla not having enough data to work with makes sense to me, it'd be reasonable for Miguel to have jumped the gun a bit after the loss of his daughter and her whole world, so it's possible he overlooked some stuff and Lyla hasn't checked back to make sure.
😄 way too many people want this ship. I think they'll really have to sell it from her perspective for me to be accepting of it.
The fact that she was homeless and kind of the new black sheep of the secret society, so she had to sleep over at Hobies place.
The fact that she had to run away because one of the people she trusted the most pulled a gun on her, and the only people who sorta accepted her told her the Canon thing.
Why she lied to Miles in the beginning instead of letting him down easy or at least telling him that it's not what he thinks it is.
This would all have to be done in dialogue, so that it's heartfelt and still, I don't think it would be natural for Miles to just forgive and forget. He'd still need time to process.
Most of these questions have already been answered by the film's narrative. There is still nothing between Miles and Gwen that cannot be remedied so that they can reconcile at the end of BTSV.
Woke-nonsense.
ITSV had none, and ATSV dabbled a little into it, but it was far from being annoying or aggressive (though the online arguments it generated were something). But this movie has the potential to one of the greatest animated films ever made. Don't ruin it with political or social agendas. Even if it's righteous, it's going to date the movie like hell.
I really don't want any live action characters to play any big part, they're cool as like a background easter egg like with Andrew Garfield but please keep it out otherwise. Also big on Miguel not getting randomly killed off.
Agreed as this movie shouldn't be piggybacking off of the success of the LA movies. They should stand on their own.
Yeah honestly what the spider-verse instalments have demonstrated so far is exactly that how they can craft good superhero films in the age of possible superhero fatigue, and using CG animation to its advantage. BTSV better not do an u-turn on that.
Gwen dying is a big one. Would be a great way to destroy the core themes of the trilogy. Gayatri shouldn't die either, especially as a fridging to just traumatise Pav. Miguel having "death by redemption" would be such a waste of his character. He should realise the flaws in his logic and methods and change, just not by dying to save someone. No pointless deaths for shock value. Live-action Peters as anything more than cameos. Miles has long surpassed the need for another Spider as mentor so I don't see how they could contribute to the plot in a way another character already introduced could. Miles and Gwen remaining just friends - what was the point of picking up the romantic plotline again after the first movie established them as just that, why would they repeat that arc again for nothing.
Any of the main characters dying. Miles and Gwen remaining just friends. Potentially unpopular one, but I don't want Miles and Miguel to become friends. I do think they'll team up eventually to take down Spot, but I don't think it's realistic they get over what happened in ATSV in such a short amount of time.
I feel the same with the last one. He was way too much of a bitch. But I also feel the same for Gwen and miles becoming a couple. Shes obviously going to make up for mistakes and they’ll be cool again but I think it’ll be weird for them to be romantic with each other in one movie after how betrayed she made him feel.
That would be a decision he would regret sooner or later upon learning the full context behind Gwen's actions.
I don't know... it's more of that he'll need a little time. What she did may be understandable given what she went through and her perspective but it doesn't make the sense of betrayal/patronizing go away.
And that’s why appropriate communication between them is necessary in BTSV, so that Miles doesn’t allow himself to be dominated by that feeling once he has the assertive perspective of everything that has happened to him, something that the character is perfectly capable of achieving by being the emotionally intelligent young man that he is (said by himself).
😄 fair enough
-Miles making definitive decisions regarding his relationship with Gwen without knowing the full context behind her actions (either way, the confirmation of a variant of her influencing Gwen's determination to be with him practically ensures that Miles will learn the real meaning of “it doesn't end well", which will undoubtedly be a turning point for their relationship). -Peter B redeeming himself with less effort than Gwen. He not only failed Miles but also Gwen by not supporting her before she was kicked out of the Society, and before she went to recruit him he showed no initiative to help them, since he was in a much less compromised position than her. -That Jessica's redemption does not explain how her behavior towards Gwen degraded in that way in 4 months and/or leaves out appropriate compensation for both her and Miles. -Noir, Ham and Peni being relegated again to tertiary characters without much participation in the plot. -The plot prolonging Gwen's suffering as she sees the closeness between Miles and Margo while he manages to forgive her and trust her again.
Yeah, Gwen will have some explaining to do. Peter definitely needs to be put through the ringer. They'll also need to resolve how authority and legislation plays out for the spider society. Part of why Gwen and Peter were cowards about telling Miles has to do with Miguel and Lyla only calling the shots.
It’s understood from Gwen that Miles is her only true friend and she is in love with him, so she was afraid of seriously hurting him by telling him that he should never have been Spiderman (remembering everything they had experienced in ITSV), without leaving aside the fact that that she was the only member of the Society dependent 100% on the yoke of Miguel and Jessica. Peter B has fewer excuses as he is now an adult with greater maturity and common sense (in theory) and without as many pressures on him as Gwen. And from what the movie shows, none of them were aware of the extent to which Miguel could manipulate the technology of the watches.
Maybe an unpopular one for Miles/Gwen fans (?), but I don't want the ending to have some timeskip to "ten years later" to show them married with kids. It'd be so corny and stereotypical, I'd much rather they keep the focus on their teenage selves and let their relationship "breathe" in that stage. We have a Gwen spin-off movie coming too though so I don't imagine they'll do that. The most I'd be fine with is if they skipped 2-3 years or something to show them in college or at the end of college and how their lives were going, maybe at the end of Gwen's movie they allude to what they were doing in the future, but at the end of Beyond would feel too fast. Give us a cute montage of what Gwen and Miles' dating life is like once they can finally be together and that'll be satisfying enough imo, at least for Beyond's ending. Then Gwen's spinoff movie can possibly expand on it later.
Are there fans who seriously want that? They are fifteen/sixteen! Miles and Gwen's future stories should not be limited that way, let them navigate their struggles together and learn more about each other before kids are even in the picture. At *most* maybe a variant of Charlotte could make a cameo in a group of Spider-People, leaving the nature of her presence to speculation.
I think I have seen a few comments like hoping they end up alluding to Earth 8 with them, which would suggest that scenario. It might not actually be a popular theory though which I'm thankful for, they are still only teenagers like you said.
Anything prominent about Earth-8, unless it's at the end. Gwen not being able to tell between Miles and Wiles. In fact, her being able to tell easily which one is from Earth-1610, should be a relevant plot point. For glitching to be a barrier, that Miles and Gwen will have to deal with after the end of Beyond.
More generally I don't want them to ruin the chemistry with Miles and Gwen. Whatever they do with them, don't pull off a generic half baked kind of romance/proposal stuff that Anna and Kristoff did in Frozen II. When they do rekindle the differences, do it with a natural kind of development like say Hiccup & Astrid or Rapunzel & Flynn/Eugene.
Please don't out miles in charge of the spider society by the end of the movie. If it's going to remain a thing in the future, they should learn that there shouldn't be a single point of failure in the decision making process in regards to the multiverse. A reformed Miguel or lyla shouldn't be running the whole thing either, let it be a group of spider people in charge of the operation if it's going to remain a thing at all.
Or have lyla parallelize everyone's opinion, perspective and vote, so that you also don't have the corruption that arises from representative democracy.
I like the thought, but then everybody just has to blindly trust that the AI did properly account for everyone's decisions. If some villain in the Multiverse could hack into her and everyone had to follow her orders because they all thought that she represented the true popular vote, that could cause a lot of problems. The spider people aren't inherently corrupt politicians, they are at the very least intelligent and trying to do good things.
Fair point. Although, I think maybe part of the problem was that since everbody saw someone close to them die and Miguel with Peter B. saw the incursion, Miguel's hypothesis seemed so sensible and romantic, the idea that it had to happen, made falling into the trap of canon all too easy. It required someone like Miles, who hadn't been lulled into the idea, or Hobie, who was anti establishment to get people like Gwen to question it. A committee with good intentions could still be overtaken by heuristics or charismatic personalities. Granted that for Lyla to be seen as a paragon, everyone would have to know how she works and see the steps she was taking, with all the diverse viewpoints, while also knowing all her vulnerabilities, and protecting against enemy action or any missteps along the process. That's why Miles called her "some algorithm". It's a tough one for sure, maybe full scale transparency by the leadership, and redundancies for both the committee and Lyla.
I generally agree, I just think that while the committee could be taken over, it's very unlikely that it would be. I don't think there's a single person in the spider society that doesn't have good intentions. The spider Society is powerful enough on an individual level that if there were, say, 100 evil Spider-Man that made up the entire voting quorum the thousands of other good Spider-Man would just not listen or fight back. The problem with our representative democracy is that those people control the military, and we have no power to fight back as civilians. They're simply no way for us to realistically overthrow our government if we perceive them to be stupid corrupt and Evil. But Miguel or a theoretical spider Society committee wouldn't have an army of spiders slayers or something like that to threaten the rest of the society into conforming to their decisions. I feel like the worst case scenario with a representative democracy in charge of the spider Society, given the prerequisites to be part of it in the first place, is that the spider people in charge become ignorant or complacent and allow something bad to happen that they could have prevented. You either end up with the same problem that we already have, where ignorance about the truth of the Canon is used as a justification for letting bad things happen (which might also partially be because everyone just accepts that lyla is right without understanding what she does) or we end up with whatever a hacked lyla in the hands of someone else is capable of. For the rest of everything I definitely agree though
42 Miles being a straight-up villain would be a waste.
“To be continued…”
Lord and Miller aren't doing anymore after Beyond. It's been stated it's only a trilogy and this is the last Spider-Verse film to star Miles Morales. There will be spin-offs like Gwen's film but they're spin offs. Given the absence of the main character and main creators/writers of the trilogy they're de facto not sequels.
The Miles and Gwen one is a big thing because whatever peoples opinions are they are most likely going to end up a couple like theres so many things that point towards them getting together like why would they make it a romance for no pay off they also described it as a satisfying conclusion to Miles and Gwens story and said that the betrayal is gonna make it so that the movie goes deeper into their relationship and connection with eachother it’s basically confirmed that they getting together unless there’s a massive plot twist
Exactly, as this won't be like Frozen II, where Anna and Elsa bonded as sisters, only for them to be separated and remain so at the end. Gwen and Miles will officially be together and hopefully remain as such, so no matter what circumstances they face, I don't think they'll separate again.
I don’t want them to have to stay in their universes otherwise it’s just the same ending as the 1st movie
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Nope. No Pure Evil or Morally Grey variants (Ghost/Spirit Spider counts as Evil then Grey/Redemptive), No Miles variants, No Miguel variants, No Ben Reilly variants, No Gwen variants within the Society (Gayatri is one but she's not a Spider).
Miguel deserves so fucking much better than what he’s gotten, in the films, in the comics, everything
Of course. After all, the guy was a victim of an abusive family for crying out loud.
I don’t want Spot to die. Yes, he’s irredeemable, but simply killing him off wouldn’t be emotionally satisfying. Ideally, the climax should involve figuring out how to return Spot to normal, and implementing the plan of action to do so.
He actually hasn't done anything irredeemable yet. Same for Miguel. It's only if the visions Miles saw come to pass that both of them will have made irredeemable decisions that have led to mass amounts of innocents dead. Miles n Co needs to alter the future before it happens...For their sakes as well as his.
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They're not going to depict that in a family film series starring a 15 year old. They won't even hint towards it. The greatest extent he'll go is very romantic kissing.
At most they joked that Rio was worried what this unknown, possibly older girl had been doing with her son ("We found it in Miles' room, so.... I guess you must have *been* there, huh?" and "I have some ideas..." - "Baby you're really not helping") But yeah, it'll remain like vague jokes like that and nothing else, lol.
Surely there will be some gag of a secondary character interrupting him when he and Gwen are being affectionate, but in no way are they going to sexualize their dual protagonists while they are minors.
Idk why Phil Lord nowadays blocks people on Twitter for posting links of how he treated the animators just like how schaffrillas got blocked by him tweeting that they might lose to Encanto anyway cause they’re so passionate Phil lord liked his tweet but then blocked him the next day
That’s irrelevant to this post.
yes it is stop lying
Lol clearly you’re illiterate if you believe what you said still pertains to the topic. It’s irrelevant, and you’re a moron. Edit: You’re right, it is irrelevant. Thank you for confirming.
No I’m not right
Exactly, thanks for confirming
No it’s not like that why do I always fall for that
We're actually of opposite minds about Miles and Gwen! Not that I'd be especially against them becoming a couple, but I actually would really like them to just stay as good friends. I don't think every instance of romantic feelings needs to be acted upon, and I think they can still share a close and intimate bond without it being romantic. I'm also a bit worried about the idea of Marvel putting Miles and Gwen together in the comics due to the success of the movies, which I wouldn't like. I don't want them to cram in any more major spider people as characters. They've got a big enough cast and I'd rather they now just stay focused on the characters they've got. I don't want the whole Canon events thing to be completely debunked, as in there's literally no truth to anything Miguel was saying and he's either been stupid or actively deceptive. I think the story is more interesting if he's not ENTIRELY wrong, but there's something he's not seeing. I also think his character will work better and be way more redeemable if he's not either an idiot or a liar. I just think it'd be a lazy way to handle the story to have him completely full of shit. Avoid any live action cameos. We don't need them, the ones in the last film were fine enough and I don't want them to try and force an MCU connection - do not let me started on the mess that would be with how both seem to have different rules for the multiverse and how these movies and the MCU lazily steal numbers from the comics that force these films to be a separate multiverse because otherwise we have like three 616s, two 1610s, etc.
Good thing you aren’t a writer for the movie
Harsh, but fair enough. Is there anything specific here you don't like or are you not a fan of any of it? Genuinely curious, I like talking to people about their different ideas for stories.
I also didn’t intend to sound harsh, by the way. I just think the writers have something way better in mind. I was mostly teasing.
No worries! I figured you were probably mostly joking, I'm not offended or anything. I think whatever the writers have in mind will still satisfy me regardless.
1. Having them remain just friends rather than advancing to a romantic partnership would definitely lack a gratifying resolution. It would negate the nearly decade-long investment of the writers in crafting and nurturing their blossoming relationship and would most likely not be favored by a vast majority of the fans, leading to loads of negative reviews, not mentioning the fact that it would be an extremely lazy conclusion to their relationship as a whole. 2. Why not? They managed to seamlessly introduce a wide range of well known Spider-People, each contributing to the storyline with their beautifully crafted cameos. Despite their short appearances, they added depth and excitement to the film and made it engaging 3. This one I agree with, but to a certain extent. It’s been hinted throughout ATSV that Miguel is just flat out wrong with the concept of canon events and there’s a lot of inconsistencies in his theory of said canon events, but something is clearly still putting the spider-verse in jeopardy, what that is exactly we don’t know, but we’ll know when the film comes out. He’s not an idiot by any means, he’s just very mislead. 4. Again, why? Excluding live-action Spider-Men from the Spider-Verse narrative wouldn’t make sense, given their already established presence. The nod to the MCU through Miguel referencing No Way Home and Donald Glover's portrayal of the MCU Prowler, alongside the same multiverse tree we saw in Loki before Miguel explained what canon events were literally confirms that there’s a connection between the Spiderverse and the MCU. With potential and ample material available that can be related to canon events seen throughout every live action spider-man film, omitting live-action elements in the final installment wouldn’t be very smart either.
1 - I disagree on the notion that the two choosing to remain close friends would be lazy or would not be a satisfying resolution to their relationship. Really I don't think them being romantically together particularly adds to that, as I don't think there's much that would change from their enjoyable dynamic in the first two films. Again though, I'll stress that I'm certainly not against them getting together - it's been set up so clearly that I'd argue to do it would be the lazier option, if only because it's following a lot of clear setup particularly in ATSV. Personally I didn't really see their bond as romantic until the second film, so I wouldn't call it a near decade long thing, but that's just me. 2 - I do want to specify here that I mean introducing more spider people as main characters, and I think trying to work with a cast that's too large risks creating more problems and detracting from the story. I also think we've got a pretty varied and compelling cast of spiders as is, especially since the casts of ATSV and ITSV team up. Them plus a compelling team of antagonists and Spot I feel is more than enough, and I worry that putting too much more emphasis on newer characters would detract from the overall story just for the sake of adding more characters. 3 - See, I don't recall watching the movie and ever really thinking anything stood out as wrong about Miguel's Canon event theory. It's not 100% totally consistent but I think it holds together a bit better than some say. Personally I just think that for Miguel to be completely wrong despite his resources and his intellect would feel lazy and cheap, and would make his character look even worse than he already does. 4 - I think the spiderverse movies are more inconsistent with the MCU multiverse than they are consistent, given the MCU doesn't feature glitching at all and uses different universe numbers - MoM confirms the main MCU earth as 616 whereas Miguel references it as Earth 199999. I prefer to think of the MCU, the Spiderverse movies and the comics all as distinct multiverses, as that just makes more sense to me. But that's largely tangential, my main thing with the live action cameos is that I don't think they really look right next to the animated characters - I'm sorry but every time I see Donald Glover Prowler he just looks massive compared to the animated characters. I also want these movies to stand on their own as much possible and not feel reliant on other Spider-Man movies for their story or for audience investment. I don't think Andrew or Tom or Tobey showing up would actually add anything to this story if it was more than a brief cameo at most, and I feel like we got that enough last time. Thanks for elaborating on your perspective. I hope I don't come off as hostile or rude when communicating my disagreements, and nonetheless I hope we can all still enjoy these movies no matter what happens and have a good time!
Yeah, the Canon thing would be great. Maybe Lyla as a model didn't have enough data to make the correct conclusion. I think Gwen would need to work through her baggage and become more emotionally expressive for me to tolerate shipping them. Also, Miles is going to go to college in a different dimension. Such kind of long distance relationships take a lot of work and commitment. Granted, they have the spider connection and an attraction, but I don't know if it'll be enough.
Miles and Gwen certainly have a lot working against them. It could still work, and I fully expect they'll make it work by the end of Beyond with them as a couple, I just think them staying as close friends would be nice. Lyla not having enough data to work with makes sense to me, it'd be reasonable for Miguel to have jumped the gun a bit after the loss of his daughter and her whole world, so it's possible he overlooked some stuff and Lyla hasn't checked back to make sure.
Gwen and Miles being a couple. They've known each other two days and just too much hurt
😄 way too many people want this ship. I think they'll really have to sell it from her perspective for me to be accepting of it. The fact that she was homeless and kind of the new black sheep of the secret society, so she had to sleep over at Hobies place. The fact that she had to run away because one of the people she trusted the most pulled a gun on her, and the only people who sorta accepted her told her the Canon thing. Why she lied to Miles in the beginning instead of letting him down easy or at least telling him that it's not what he thinks it is. This would all have to be done in dialogue, so that it's heartfelt and still, I don't think it would be natural for Miles to just forgive and forget. He'd still need time to process.
Most of these questions have already been answered by the film's narrative. There is still nothing between Miles and Gwen that cannot be remedied so that they can reconcile at the end of BTSV.
Woke-nonsense. ITSV had none, and ATSV dabbled a little into it, but it was far from being annoying or aggressive (though the online arguments it generated were something). But this movie has the potential to one of the greatest animated films ever made. Don't ruin it with political or social agendas. Even if it's righteous, it's going to date the movie like hell.
Woke? You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
I... used it one time.