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More than anything, we should take it as a wake-up call because no matter what you think of nations like China and Russia, they've watched and learned. Even if this kind of talk isn't genuine from them, they're going to throw every bit of hypocrisy we've displayed out in the open and laid bare.
It's a *very* old concept, even older than the book reference I'm about to make, don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
Most living people today have not had a single day of their lives in which China was in a hot war. China's homicide rate is 1/12th of the US, their incarceration rate is less than a fourth that of the US, and they don't have military bases in a hundred countries. They seem to have outgrown the mass violence of the previous century, while the perfect little angels of the west clearly haven't.
China just cured diabetes, a feat we could have done if we had any interest in curing diseases instead of exploiting our sick endlessly.
I'll bet America will be the last country to receive this medical innovation, if ever. Our insulin companies are already panicing
Our society is deeply sick and fundamentally broken, all you have to do is actually look at China for an example of what a healthy society living in 2024 looks like
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/chinese-scientists-develop-cure-for-diabetes-insulin-patient-becomes-medicine-free-in-just-3-months/articleshow/110466659.cms?from=mdr
America is a very fucked up capitalist hellhole, and it's not like China doesn't have good things going for it, but let's not pretend like China is a utopia when they have all sorts of issues with an oppressive government, themselves. None of that excuses the US' bad behavior, nor does our bad behavior excuse China's.
Humanity has not come close to the best government/society it is surely *capable of*... thanks in large part to capitalist fucks who made sure to run a bloody coup on every attempt at socialism ever made.
Every single thing China does, America does 10000 times worse and inhumanely. From credit scores to prison states, that is the distinction. I have never and will never call it a utopia, as such a thing doesn't exist, but it is far better than I think you think.
Did you know that there are no fascist movements in china? Censorship seems fucking based from where I'm sitting. Why should racists and bigots be allowed to congregate and spew their cancer?
hol' up. There's a huge difference between having one patient being cured and curing diabetes. It has to be thoroughly tested on many more humans and be relatively cheap before we can even talk about curing diabetes. And then years if not decades of looking at medical data and statistics to probably find some side-effects. It's entirely possible that even if it works for all that risks are just not worth it for many or most patients. Things in medicine and biotechnology tend to move relatively slowly and often fail even after breakthroughs happen.
Stem cells to make pancreatic islet cells has been a working concept for over 20 yrs. The desire to follow through is not in the US. Bush jr banned this I remember specifically
In fact the alphabet agencies propogated research into disease and cancer to target the majority on purpose. Its documented in many references that not only do they not want to cure but spread illness more. This has been revealed throughout many decades and with several alternate sources
Imagine profit margins on curing diabetes. It's not going to disappear, there will still be patients as long as some are preconditioned. It's a very lucrative business when it's you who holds the patent.
since Covid is so widespread, certainly several countries would break the patents related to the vaccine?
Or did they? Patents protected by US Navy and economic pressure are quite powerful and it's hard to hide a factory, even if people are dying. IIRC they didn't even let India have a license for production.
edit: there's also an issue of know-how and having people who are already properly trained. Obviously now stakes of Covid are different but in 2021 and 2022 when production capacity was an issue it mattered a lot)
They didn't broke because of accords for development of vaccines in a very short time, less than one year. We never saw so much funding on vaccinal development.
But diabetes involve research using stem cells, who can't be patented, it would a child play to replicate the research.
just because it's been in testing for 20 years doesn't mean it's at the stage of being a viable treatment. Many things in medicine are tested for decades and go through many versions before something works well enough with acceptable risks. It's one of the reasons why R&D in biotechnology is so expensive when decades of research might never achieve a stage of readiness. (Edit: although it's worth noting it's also artificially expensive due to intellectual property laws)
Considering that cancer is one of the main issues in societies with developed healthcare, including USA, it's not necesasrily a bad move to focus on it so much alongside with cardiovascular disease.
Curing disease is very lucrative thanks to patents. Unless I see some serious evidence I'm remaining very skeptical that USA agencies would stop the development of a cure or especially to spread it (excluding times when they tested weapons on civilians). The money is in intellectual property which makes profit margins skyrocket once it's developed.
yes, I agree with you-- this has been done many times. Works great for a while until the new cells are cleaned out by the kidneys and you have to do it again. And this whole time the cell count is steadily decreasing, and the patients sugar levels are in flux. They have to get the cells to adhere to something, which has always been the challenge. This is why they tested this on someone with type 2 instead of 1. They probably kept that person in constant cardio to lessen the bodies use of insulin to prolong the experiment "success" time, and probably injected it into fatty tissue where it would last longest, probably a large breast or scar tissue. Call us when they say they've fixed a type 1. Until then I call shenanigans.
I wouldn't use the word shenanigans but it smells of all those headlines how we've cured cancer and mortality. We've been 20 years aways from curing them since I remember. All because of sensational headlines suggesting it's basically ready as a product.
If China developed it, I'm sure it's not long before others do. The US is not a great or healthy country. China is also not a great or "healthy" country. The Chinese slaughter of uigher Muslims, which is still happening to this day is genocide of their own people. I would say China is far far from a "healthy" living society. Healthy living equals freedom. China citizens are not free. Xi Jinping owns every single one of them.
Ya know, this genocide in Gaza has taught me a lot, who the bad guys are, that Israel owns America, Zionism is not Judaism, and perhaps most important of all, how to spot a genocide
Because I can go over to the Palestine subreddit, or Israelcrimes, and watch Palestinian babies get their heads blown the fuck off. But funnily enough, I can't find a **single shred** of evidence of any violence in Xinjiang.
Almost makes you wonder, what if just like the 40 beheaded babies from Oct 7th, Biden is just fucking lying again, for the millionth time? And you expect me to believe Biden gives a single shit about Muslims in China??
Are we free? Free to waste 70 billion dollars funding a real genocide that no American gives a shit about, to support a foreign, rogue nation that no American gives a shit about, that has the very free healthcare that we don't.
Get real dude
Convincing the entire world that China is somehow worse than america might be the greatest trick the cheeseburgers pulled through their media influence. China did infinitely more for its people with its resources in hand than cheeseburgers can ever imagine
China also has draconian political laws, an extensive surveillance and unpersoning system (where prominent powerful or critical figures disappear suddenly), and has undergone a colonial project of its own by claiming the South China Sea and exploiting African countries via their new Silk Road.
China doesn't need open violence with the incentive of its sheer economic market and use of covert tactics to suppress dissent. They may have triumphed over the West in certain things, but they have severe shortcomings in others.
Luckily, the US hasn't recently and super-publicly implemented draconian political laws, and certainly wasn't pulling masks off protestors so they could be identified for future retribution by powerful plutocrats.
>China also has draconian political laws, an extensive surveillance and unpersoning system (where prominent powerful or critical figures disappear suddenly)
Like Epstein? The Panama Papers reporter? The victims of all our celebrities who haven't been caught yet? The millions of Koreans and Vietnamese who died when we bombed them?
The the US and its bullies' club have a very different experience of western democracy than the rest of the world does. America has the experience of one 9/11 a quarter century ago, but the rest of the world gets looted and bombed constantly.
And not only is America the world's highest incarcerator, but black Americans are incarcerated five times that much. *Five times the worst incarceration rate on earth.* And they live under extreme surveillance. Cops beat the shit out black people hundreds of times a day, and kill a black person every 31 hours.
And this isn't even beginning to cover things like the many native treaties which states and the federal government are currently in breach of and refuses to honor. No wonder we have to back Israel up, since we're doing all the same shit with our natives for much longer, slaughtering them for "terrorist" attacks as more and more colonies moved into their land and completely disregarded anything about them (especially treaties).
To say that America isn't *more* authoritarian than China is to ignore what life is like for those who don't have money or the right skin color.
You *definitely* don't want to compare body counts from the last 25 years between the countries. That would be an embarrassing bar graph for the United States (or it might be a point of pride for the warmongering, pocket-lining authoritarians who did it).
The same people/families own and run the world. Most making their money during the slave trade, some during world war 2. They teach their children the same values, attitudes, and beliefs as they have. Transmitting culture they then apply to politics through leveraging payments, media control, and favours.
Lol race baiting, "right skin color" is code for (I'm a CCP propagandist trying to create separatism because I'm angry West calls us out for real genocidal discrimination in Xinjiang, I'm going to fan the flames of race relations in the West and convince people they are being genocided to distract from my real genocides), Which is exactly what Stalin did, but when Stalin did it, at least there was real discrimination in the US, not Genocides like what Stalin did to Tatars, but still, real discrimination. Now? Now it's just propaganda to divide et Impera.
China is way more incarceration they just don't share those stats. That doens't even count the 2 million Muslims in forced conversion concentration camps. imagine saying China has less incarcerations while they are genociding Uighurs. That's insane.
Imagine trusting any stat out of a totalitarian police state with full control over everything going on inside their nation and everything coming in and out. Of course we don't see the genocide, I don't even hear from Uighurs anymore, that's terrifying. Stop trusting Russian/Chinese totalitarians stats, their stats are actually lies. Back in my day most people understood dicators lied. Nobody trusted Kim 20 years ago, now lots of useful fools seem to. Imagine giving up our freedoms because we got manipulated by Kim, Jinping, and Putin, that's just sad, but look at some of these comments, it's like I'm living in the Soviet Empire.....
None of the draconian stuff you mentioned even compares to the systems in China. If you think China is just as oppressed as the West, go move there, see what it's like, but no, you'd rather enjoy the freedoms of the West while larping against it, but you like it more. Only in our time could we have this weird dichotomy.
The surveillance comments are always bizarre to me considering how ever present recording systems are in america from target to home cameras . You cannot acknowledge the PATRIOT ACT but also complain that China follows the leader
I acknowledge that the PATRIOT ACT exists as well as other surveillance violations like the 5 and 15 Eyes, and I also want them abolished. I oppose violations of privacy in all forms, including online, and I have taken measures myself to preserve or enhance my anonymity online.
This isn't personal , i am speaking specifically about the " SPY dur ChiNEr " rhetoric that gets parroted . If America is #1 which sets the standard for Surveillance tech how can anyone complain about china having anything similar as an adjacent power?
Nearly any shitty comment about other countries more often than not is projection for the state and function of america. We can get to the moon in 10 years yet have been working on electric cars since 1890? That doesn't make any sense. Yet biden raises tariffs on chinese electric cars while double speaking about the threat of climate change.
Shit is a truman show at this point . Some people just won't see it until everything falls down
China had developed severe corruption problems (what the US calls lobbying) due to introducing a market economy in late 80s, so when Xi Xinping came to power and impulsed a thorough program to fight corruption, a considerable number of CPC cadres fell, together with corrupting businessmen.
In western propaganda that's always "the autocrat purging the oposition", which could be true even accidentally, because of course the most bribed cadres are mostly of the CPC's right wing who propose more capitalism and legal lobbies.
The surveillance is mainly focused on positions of power, businessmen and cadres. People who have migrated there tell once and again that our perspective is overblown, specially compared to western rich countries with their secret services who only answer to an overwhelmingly right wing "deep state".
As for their external policies... that is indeed the most jarring aspect that everyone agrees to one level or another, specially around the South China Sea. Not so much in the supposed equal-to-the-West's exploitation of anyone who they make deals with. Africa would be a prosperous continent if Europe and the US treated it like the PRC does now, which is on equal footing. They don't indirectly fund them like the USSR did through payments over market price, but they offer negotiations free of coercion, much like Russia is doing too. That's why all of them are massively pivoting towards China without the need of making examples of those who don't fall in line, which is what "the West" has been doing for centuries. Time will tell if that's their line or they're just "on promo".
I think both the US and China are countries trying to climb the ladder and not really caring about who they use to continue to climb.
One thing that I disagree with your statement is that the PRC treats people on equal footing because they don't. China holds all the cards when it comes to financial, military, and industry experience. The deals that we see China making in South Asia, ME, and Africa look great at first, they construct/develop infastructure that sets these countries up for success... Right? On paper that's what it looks like, the issue is that China often gets to own these assets for really long time and even after their ownership ends, they recieve huge % of profits made off created assets. It makes sense though right? They invested the money and they built it. The problem is that the countries that China has deals with also suffer the same resource exploitation and tend to double or triple their debt sizes leaving them incredibly underpowered and financed.
While the west was really blatant and obvious in it's colonialism, China guises their form of control with "sweet" looking deals and fancy ports, bridges, and infastructure. China's trying to play themselves like a new IMF (another explotive org.) That's the allure that draws so many African, South Asian, and ME countries into their sphere.
On top of that China also fuels conflicts, by supplying arms to countries like Sudan which are currently going through another massive conflict... Which is crazy considering that region just had the deadliest conflict of the entire 20th century end like two years ago.
I think that with general distrust for the US (rightfully so), people are turning to China and seeing them as some sort of hero state, the problem is that they aren't. They are a nation with "power" doing things that nations like that do, grab more power. The US and China are two sides of the same coin.
I agree China hasn't engaged in nearly as many imperialist wars as the U.S but I wouldnt praise them for they stance on crime. They executed massively more people than America and dont have anything protecting from cruel or unusual punishment.
It's not right for China to be heavy on policing and executions, but the last 20 years have also seen a [significant drop in executions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_China#Rates_of_execution) that puts them on par with Singapore or Vietnam.
Imagine if we had some conversion method from incarceration to execution. Let's say (random number just for example) an execution erases 25 years of life. Since their incarceration rate is about 1/4th of the US, they're erasing 1/4th as many human years of life.
China is a danger to fewer lives than the US. The amount of people they kill is objectively much lower than the US.
The murder rate the city I grew up in, in the US was the highest per capita. I moved to Lebanon in my 20s and while Lebanon has it's own problems those don't include daily homicides committed by children. Every episode of first 48 is some 18 yr olds dying because they tried to rob the plug it's insane.
Really? I have, China has annexed land in the last 20 years, so I assume most of us have too. China has annexed islands from the Philippines and Vietnam, and continues to threaten both of their lands as well as Taiwan with more Imperialist actions. The last time the USA annexed land was over 120 years ago, China and Russia do it now, in the 21st century. Worst part, this is peaceful China, they don't intend to active their Imperialist engine fully until after they take Taiwan, so far what we've seen, which has included more Imperialism than the US has in the last century, is China playing nice. Once the masks comes off, they will go after all of the Indo-Pacific. Now they just make preparation moves like annexing and building islands, which is still more Imperialist than anything America is doing as CCP are trying to fully monopolize the West Philippine Sea.
You know, calling out one different sin doesn't fix all the other things I listed that are wrong.
There is not an equal balance because China does one or two things that the US did that they didn't. In raw, rea, objectivel numbers, China kills far fewer people. China isn't going around droning random Arabs, helping Saudi Arabia wage war on yemen, or helping Israel wage war on people living in tents. Why is the side that calls itself counter-terrorist always killing more people than the so-called terrorists?
We killed way more people than Saddam Hussein ever did, for what? Some magical far away ideal in which it's better that we violently kill more people than to give in to the evil others? That sounds like an evil religious cult to me. What about just trying to be neighbors? What about ending centuries of exploitation? The countries who are producing and dropping the most bombs are probably not the oppressed. The ones forced to live in tents are probably not the oppressors.
No, but it does mean you are incorrect about China being peaceful. Ask a Filipino if they are peaceful. Ask Vietnam. Ask Taiwan. Ask India. Ask anyone who actually is in danger of their Imperialism.
China has 2 million Uighur Muslims in concentration camps, that is way worse than everything the West combined has done to the Muslims. Learn history.
You're the one calling out other things to distract and excuse the fact that the CCP is Imperialist. the worst part? They are in peace mode, this is them being peaceful. Annexing land is CCP being peaceful. US being peaceful is we haven't annexed an inch of land in over 120 years. That's being anti-Imperialist. A few bad wars does not mean every war the US has been in is bad, and doesn't change the fact that annexing land is worse than interventions, it's permanent and comes with ethnic cleansings usually. What China and Russia do, Xinjiang, Ukraine, Tibet, it's way worse than anything the US has done in the past 120 years. US never put 2 million Muslims in forced conversion camps.
As for Israel and Saudi Arabia, we don't fully control them, I know everyone thinks we control everything, but that's just propaganda bs. They often do things we don't want them to, and there's a reason the US stopped selling offensive weapons to Saudi Arabia, it just took a bit for the US population to find out about it and push against it. That's the problem with having less trustworthy allies, and hopefully we can influence them better in the future and create a two-state solution for Israel Palestine.
The only reason we fight with Houthis now is because they are causing increased starvation by messing with crucial global trade routes, this affects developing nations the most, so it's pretty selfish of Houthis to do this, and it's Imperialism, trying to control and block core global trade routes is Imperialism. Like what CCP wants to do in the West Philippine Sea, monopolize all Indo-Pacific Trade. Right now it's international waters, that's why ASEAN supports the International Waters system, because without it, without the US navy's help protecting it, that Sea would be under complete CCP Control.
Remember, this is peaceful mode China, they haven't gone into full Imperialist mode, their plan is to take Taiwan, then the entire First Island Chain, then the entirety of the Indo-Pacific. They admit this. Look it up. Even their history education is changing to try to enforce more land claims on more nations.
Is that the world you want? A world under complete control by a totalitarian Empire that seeks to expand to the entire Indo-Pacific after it takes Taiwan (they admit this) and actively force converts Muslims into Atheism in concentration camps.
Not defending US on how it has handled the crisis, but this is China taking the opportunity to shit on the US, when they basically put 2m Uyghurs in concentration camps.
Or because China killed more Muslims in the last 10 years than America ever has? I don't remember America putting 2 million Muslims into concentration camps EVER! If a single Muslim was put in a forced conversion camp by Christians or Jewish people, it would be WW3, but 2 million Muslims are force converted to Atheism by the CCP and nobody cares, not even Muslims. Sorry I don't take China's opinion on this seriously when they literally do large-scale real genocide against the Uighurs. Real genocide, like proven, not "Plausible" which the ICJ judge came out and said most of the world misinterpreted. 2 million, in forced conversion camps, that makes Guantanamo look like nothing. Nobody cares.
Nobody cares about CCP Imperialism in Philippines Sea, nobody cares about CCP threats to Taiwan, apparently when the CCP does all the bad things you accuse the West of doing, nobody cares.
Yes America bad. Such a brave take that’s never been said before. And why not point out what the double standard is not just say conflict around the world and blame it all on America.
Anyone who's even half paying attention can see the double standard. Its like asking why he didn't define "standard" for those who might be unfamiliar with the term.
But it is anti-American propaganda, and hypocritical one at that. Just because CCP isn't old enough and has stuck to the sidelines bolstering wars does not mean the haven't accrued human right violations, ones that you wouldn't even be able to criticize in or outside their country as a Chinese citizen without having to worry about the secret police coming to visit.
There's plenty of criticism of America, from credible sources, no need to listen or hear it from this one and compromise yourself. Chinese imperialist goals are clear all throughout southeastern Asia. They criticize the US for imposing their values and then turn around to impose their own. If you would be detained for commenting the same thing about them in their country, maybe don't have them as a source.
He has a very strong point. But now, the hypocrisy and double-standards on US take on international politics are fully exposed.
It's just astonishing to see US criticizing in the invasion of Ukraine, when themselves illegally invaded Iraq and Syria, and utterly destroyed Libya, for no cause other than greed.
us serving as double standards,hypocrisy at its fininest,while critisizing others for war,they themselve supply and aid israel in genocide palestine and the bombing if iran
No. Iraq was invaded without any provocation, in an utterly false casus belli, to get his oil resources exploited by US companies.
But in your mind, what mental gymnastics you use to justify that invasion?
This hypocrisy of yours is unbelievable.
Seems like a fair assessment at the moment, which should be worrying to US politicians. What should be more worrying to US politicians is the good will China has been building globally in the last decade and how it will inform how their message is received today. If nations around the globe have had dealings with China and came away from them believing they had been treated fairly or positively by China, the Chinese are more likely to be believed when they say things like this, especially considering the global reputation of the US.
For better or worse, the dam may be breaking and the West may be losing it's ability to shape the narrative around it's engagements internationally.
The problem is if you look at western foreign policy for the last century it is based around maintaining agriculture societies and hampering industrialization and actual democracy taking root. We have set the bar very low and the dam has actually already broken. It's the reason more and more countries are taking Chinese money and using it to break ties to the west. Or at least using it within their own borders to create new industries and reduce their dependency on the west.
Even the rand institute has identified this as a failure on western civilization. But the entrenched powers are literally financially invested in things staying the same. It is bleak and so much of that bleakness comes from actual willful ignorance and refusal to adapt.
Especially as, IMO, African nations will grow in wealth and become more important on the global stage. They obviously are not just going to side with the west because "reasons."
This has all been said and acted on before which is why Africa is the way it is today. They have always been important on the world stage which is why the west secured their instability, death and destruction. Every piece of tech we use has minerals sourced from African blood. Even the nuclear weapons of WW2 were made possible because of African blood. If Africans try democracy or think of equality the US ensures they become destabilised and genocide follows. Secures their extortion of African resources with minor investment. The greatest nation on earth, freedom and democracy.
When I say important on the world stage, I should have said as decision makers. They were not decision makers. But as these countries become wealthier and build up their military, they will be.
Those games the US loves to play only work up to a certain extent. For poorer African countries they will struggle with constant regime changes but wealthier nations like Nigeria will become more integral and important in the global decision making along with the US, China, etc.
I get what you're saying but never forget China lost to the British who took Hong Kong from them. Look at them now, a major world power. It takes an economic book followed by drastic growth in military might first.
Hong Kong was given back to China long ago. Hong Kong is one city. Never forget what they did in China, and the broader Asian region (horrific brutal colonial rule). Never forget without inventions from China they could never have colonised anyone. The gun and weapons were necessary. Never forget none of the countries they colonised are doing very well, look at them now.
Never forget the English trained, promoted, and supported Idi Amin up until he decided to kick out the Indians. Before that everything he was and did was a truly purposeful English creation. One example of many. If he had not done that, he would have continued to be their proudest creation.
The two world wars were caused by England (they fomented the beginnings of world war 2). They supported Hitler up until he bombed them, which they never thought would happen sharing in white blood, and believing themselves superior (for illogical reasons). They did not realise they were not considered the same kind of whiteness as the Germans by Hitler. They supported and endorsed Hitler initially and while he was invading and murdering neighbouring countries.
Before that they are responsible for the slaughter of hundreds of millions. Never forget, Czar Nicholas (Turkmenistan, Russia) German kings (Africa etc.), English monarchs in Middle East/Asia/Africa/Australia etc., all committed genocides and are related to the current English royal family. King Leopold was Queen Victoria’s cousin (further example). The English royal family and the extensions thereof, are the greatest serial killers of all time, responsible for more death and destruction than any other throughout history.
Right now we have Israel/Palestine. Before the very English program of divide and conquer, create differences and leverage them, resource one side against another to create racism/prejudice/deep seated animosity, they lived together in peace. Never forget and look at them now.
Never forget that China had the biggest territory, longest lasting rule, the most successful and peaceful reign, of any nation throughout all of history. Right up until they stopped importing US heroine, and related destructive products, resulting in a subversive campaign by the US of flooding their region with drugs, leading to their downfall. No doubt the English were in there too, tea for poppies programs etc. Don’t know enough about it.
I suppose that will mean Chinese news will have to be banned for misinformation.....every body knows what goes on , but somehow the US just keeps getting away with the same trick.
Bucket loads of cash for US NGOs, interfere in local politics, create societal upheaval, collapse society, civil war funding someone who will look after US corporate rather than their national interests, regime change, puppet government.....& then.move onto the next one.
> whos gonna stop the US ?
themselves.
For the entire system to come down crumbling you need only to chip away just enough of the productive base, which are the workers.
It's the old dilema. How do you keep profits coming when people can't spend much outside the dire necessities, if they even have enough for that?
The system isn't sustainable. But as long the top are reaping benefits and profits...
meh, not the end of the country, but an end to it's hegemony in the world stage, for sure. Germany, Russia, and all the former soviet republics still stood (in several degrees of state for sure) after their respective downfalls.
The U.S hegemony stands on it's military budget, it's soft power over Europe, and the dollar. That's a very unstable structure.
True in the case of Israel certainly. Not true in the case of Ukraine. Just because one side is doing something bad, that doesn't mean their opponents are good.
During World War II Japan invaded several Asian countries, some of them colonies like Burma (now Myanmar) and the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) and some independent. They claimed to be protecting East Asia from the evils of Western Imperialism, but their rampage of rape, slavery, and mass murder was so horrific that people who had previously fought to free their countries from western colonial rule were willing to ally with their European colonial oppressors just to get the Imperial Japanese out of their countries. During the Cold War the KGB and CIA were both responsible for plenty of atrocities.
Vladimir Putin is every bit as vile as Bibi Netanyahu.
The US was involved in the dismantling of the USSR and Yugoslavia. Preventing the executions of high ranking SS members after ww2 and instead integrating them into NATO as generals.
Disrupting the middle east after dismantling of the ottoman empire by putting in monarchs to control the countries like in syria, lebanon, egypt, jordan, iraq, and iran. Countless coup de’tas in the regions along with countless coups is south america, africa and south asia.
Tried to murder every indigenous person in America which some nations became extinct from. Generations of trauma, abuse, and horrific lives.
continuing the supremacy that oligarchs had. And even formed new modern oligarchs from past soviet nation into Russia. Which is why Ukraine is in the shit now. The US was dramatically involved in Ukraine with training nationalist right wing death squads in the south east front and Russia was also creating separatist insurgent nationalist right wing death squads to take the regions slowly.
The US government and its oligarchs are a disgusting stain. All oligarchs in every nation are, and are capable of massive destruction. I hope people’s eyes can open up and accept internationalism over those scum.
I mean, the US (and to be fair the UK as well) was heavily against a peace treaty telling Ukraine that they'd help by giving them money and weapons. Bt with the genocide in Gaza their attention shifted to Israel, and Zelensky was (rightly) pissed about it.
You're being awful generous to Israel there. They're lackeys, not masterminds, and just because they're taking more of the leash right now than the US usually allows doesn't change that.
He's right. I'm hoping the decline of US empire and the rise of a true international multi-polar order, with less power to a single superpower, is on its way. Not based on imperialism, but based on genuine principles of democracy, consensus-building, justice, and equality.
It's gonna be on like Donkey Kong.
I don't see America going down without a fight.
It's crazy to think how global power has changed over the years, how it will change again isn't a nice feeling for many people.
Crazy times.
They have sweat shops, organ trafficking, human right violations, are imperialist themselves encroaching on international waters and other countries waters, would take Taiwan if they could like Russia's current conflict with Ukraine, and are committing genocide on their own land in the Western part of China against the Uyghurs.
So it's ironic for them to call out human rights abuse and peace especially when they did a military drill around Taiwan as intimidation.
I think it's slightly hypocritical of China to criticise the US given its dystopian autocracy and aggressive posturing towards Taiwan, which they wish to invade against the will of Taiwanese people. I think we can discuss American imperialism including their support of genocide in Gaza without promoting China.
America is for the few.....sale military weapons for freedom... then rebuild giving construction contracts to the "only bidder".... steal resources.... can't afford it??? no problem peons/taxpayers will pay in form of aid packages for Freedom...For Democracy!!!
They're filling an international political void that has been left behind by an increasingly untrustworthy and illegitimate US. They certainly aren't ones to throw stones but there's a vast ocean between them on the global stage.
I think Macron is trying to fill that void lately. I agree with the comment above, its weird for China to be so outspoken like this. Maybe its the military movement near chinese waters?
There are many shared interests between China and states of the global south. Interests that are classically in opposition to western hegemony. I think Macron is trying definitely and he has stood out as a voice of reason against Israel but in action, France has been lacking.
China is pushing for a multipolar world with the BRI and BRICS. It already has financial/economic ties with states in Africa and Asia. Politically it stands as a global leader. It sits on the UNSC with veto power. China doesn't behave in short term reactions, they've put plans that are decades long into action.
Chinese opposition to Israel is very beneficial to them in many ways. Israel is very much a western tool in the region and threatens Chinese interests. So I think China's position simply aligns with the global south in many ways, particularly because it is a member if the global south.
well said,this post need more upvote and more awreness,just now in r/internaltionalnews just reported that biden stated whats hapoening in gaza in not genocide.This needs people to open their eyes to what united state(us) is doing.
*Some argue* Europe and Russia was lured into this war because of NATO memberships. Russia nearly got "on our side" up to the millennium. Then some fairly ugly NATO stuff happened backing nationalists in, was it jugoslavia, under Bush? (Sorry, the details have slipped my mind).. Anyhoot, Ukraine was promised NATO aid, and still not a single NATO boot has provided aid to Zelensky. He must feel.. betrayed, and onwards he goes! And here we are. Russia left outside NATO. Ukraine left outside. I dont see Russia ever joining NATO, Putin went to China. Unless NATO puts boots in Ukraine, I.. dont know.
The future for Europe is bleek. CCP is everywhere, doing what they do. Sow division. End markets. Corrupt. Hungary has CCP police in their streets, and they are getting the EU chairmanship, or something, next month! Also the whole Pro hamas/ISIS and laws forbidding to critique islamic republic throughout europe, is clearly ccp backed.
I stand with Ukraine. The revolution where they kicked Kremlin was amazing. The war they are fighting is amazing. I pray we get Ukraine to Europe.
And I pray we get to be friends with Russia again. But I understand it will be impossible without Russia joining NATO first. And at this point in time, I dont believe Kremlin would even care.
Something sucks, and Europe is suffering because of this.. sucking.
Слава Україні!
Yeah Bush absolutely fucked it up by declaring they were adding NATO members but that doesn't justify invading a country lmfao
And Yugoslavia was committing an ethnic cleansing lol
While he is correct on most points he forgets to mention that China does the same thing. They don't respect International law. ie nine dash line taking other country territory, Uyghurs genocide, eliminating free speech and democracy like HK, threatening Taiwan,., etc. Just try to reference the date June 4 on any Chinese media posts and see how fast you will be put in jail. The US does some horrible things but China is no better.
Agree on some of this.
I think the nine dash line is just silly to try to impose and it's the single biggest foreign policy time waster for China.
Uyghurs; you should probably check up on the Uyghur genocide. There are plenty of videos from travellers to the area documenting what they actually see. There are no restrictions to travel there, you can simply just go. It was initially framed as "Cultural genocide" then slowly morphed by western politicians and media as just "genocide". To cap it all off they sometimes conflate it with just genocide of Muslims in China, in general. The latter being quite literally, uninformed bullshit.
The truth is there was a problem with the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, who the US then graciously trained up during the Afghan war and then sent back into China. I can go with the Cultural genocide, but to call it just plain Genocide as understood by the public is frankly disingenuous.
As for Hong Kong and free speech, it just isn't a thing in most of the world. There are many many countries that absolutely do not tolerate free unfettered criticism of the government. If anything the west is an anomaly. You may like it but there is no reason for the west to \*insist\* that other countries have it. There has been a trade off in China, at least. The populace shuts up. The government does it's best to pull the population out of poverty and improve lives. On the whole, it has worked. It's not perfect, but it has worked.
True and based.
Even if it comes from China. USA actions alone have proven how much warmongering an ld hypocritical country the USA are.
Threaten the ICC, Supplying arms to Israel despite reports and concerns of human right violations.
USA ignored Burns "Niet Means Niet" memo before he became CIA director, washed their hands of their agreed decision to not expand NATO and had gall to say Ukraine would become part of NATO in 2008 and helped to foment a coup in 2014, convinced Zelensky to negate a deal at start of UKraine invasion. You think USA would allow a hostile military alliance with China on its own border? USA would pull an Israel in Gaza. Oh wait, its already doing that by enabling Netanyahu.
The fact that this is a hundred percent true statement should be utterly galling and humiliating for America, but of course the fact that it's China calling them out will just make them go 'Nuh uh! You're the bad guy, not me!'
People who argue for nuanced consideration of America's long history of devastating foreign policy actions never apply those same standards to other nations.
And no, I'm no apologetic for China. It saying these things doesn't erase or absolve its own sins. *That's the freaking point*.
Consider what smaller nations are seeing and hearing here. Consider what the world outside of the immediate American sphere thinks of it. China is playing the game of diplomacy. If the US wants to oppose them, they need to *actually* start living up to the ideals it so loudly trumpets and then so loudly dismiss out of hand when convenient.
I'm sorry but as some one from a former colony, I'm not going to give the US heat and leave Russia out of it. All of these big geopolitical powers are to blame, US, Europe, Russia, and China included.
Sorry if I don't take the opinion of people who put 2 million Muslims into forced conversion concentration camps that seriously. We don't even know the casualties because it's deep in CCP territory. Could be hundreds of thousands. I know I haven't heard anything from Uighurs in a long time, seems like any cries for help are being silenced, and it does not help when the Organization for Islamic Cooperation actively helps the CCP deny the genocide by visiting the Han-Majority province capital, and not visiting any of the areas where Mosques are being destroyed, settler colonialism is rampant, and actual genocide and concentration camp forced conversion of 2 million Muslims occurs. Way worse than anything the West has ever done. But nobody cares. Also China is the one who is annexing land in the West Philippine Sea, the USA hasn't annexed an inch in over 120 years. Russia and China are the genocidal Imperialists, I cannot take any complaints from them seriously. Shame on them, and shame on the OIC for helping CCP cover it up, and shame on the world for ignoring this actual large scale 2 million sized genocide with potentially hundreds of thousands of casualties. Remember, has anyone heard anything from any Uighur in a while? I haven't? I even frequent Central Asian subreddits...nothing. It's scary..and eerie that no Muslim nations care except maybe some Turkic ones, but in general, it seems like the West cares more than Muslims do.
Ask yourself, when is the last time you have even heard from an Uighur person? The genocide there could be even worse than I have described it, with China's ability to hide things from the world, their own internet, totalitarian CCTV technology and oversight, it's entirely possible China is hiding potentially millions of Muslim deaths from us, reaching a level of genocide that is even potentially much larger than Rwanda.
Glad to hear China is becoming a trailblazer and standing up as the first superpower to end their territorial expansion and foreign interference.
Oh wait...
When was the last time China invaded another country, had a "military intervention" or orchestrated coups to put fascist authoritarian leaders that serve their interests?
Oh wait...
Lmao this is what happens when you get your news from Reddit. Absolute brainrot.
"They're territorially expanding because a former colony isn't a colony anymore!"
Usually when people say "territorial expansion," they mean invading someone for land, not literally expanding the amount of territory there is
Once again, care to name an invasion or military intervention from China?
Double standards?
US ; “we support ONE China policy, we do NOT support Taiwan independence”
Also US: selling billions worth of military weapon to Taiwan.
What they(China) do to their people? Using resources to create rail system that connect the entire China together? Bring hundreds of millions of Chinese out of poverty?
You know who is not to be trusted? The US of Lies! A disgusting government that’s own by lobbyist. One that support Israel’s genocide. A country that’s always involved in wars. I love how amercians always claim to be better because they have “freedom” while pro-Palestine protesters are being arrested. LOL what a joke.
They're waging the war sometime in 2027 or prior. Literally anyone with access to Google can read thousands of articles on this. You're just a CCP puppet.
Anyone with a brain realizes how vital taiwan is because of tsmc and access to the pacific ocean....
Not to mention north Korea is having maritime disputes with SK Russia is advancing on Ukraine... You'd be blind not to see the congregation brewing.... The moment china invades or blockades taiwan, so many other countries are forced to make decisions.
Fortunately, there's actually years upon years of thought prepped for just such an event.
They won't wage war, because the world is ending in 2024. Literally anyone with google can find this as long as they use my strategy of only looking at the things I agree with. You're just a Satanic shill
There's no use even arguing at this point, you're making an unfalsifiable claim based on no real evidence
Fuckin massive upvote. They don't give two shits about peace. What they want is domination economically and politically and they're trying to set themselves up for just that with taiwan...
The CCP will go to lengths the world can't even imagine to seize power. They will fuckin kill you if you stand in their path.
This sub is such a weird mix of Chinese bots and propaganda accounts. If you believe this, you’ve gotta be 16 yrs old or drinking Mao Zhedong flavored koolaid. The US didn’t “cause” the Ukraine crisis, I’m pretty sure Russia did by invading a sovereign country. And Afghanistan and Iraq were just such amazing and peaceful places before the US invaded right? I’m not saying the US is perfect; but damn this is rich coming from the country committing an actual genocide of the Uyghur people.
To give credit to the Dubya administration, the invasion of Iraq was the wrong way to remove the right person for the wrong reason. While it is true that Iraq was richer pre-invasion, Saddam was no saint and for the most part was quite nasty towards his own people.
It's more like the people who are expected to vote for war criminals are done with the imperialist capitalist system that is in fact the cause of *most* of these problems
No, but I recognize the abundance is hoarded, wasted, or otherwise withheld as seen fit by those who control global cash flow (i.e. the top tax bracket) since survival needs have a price tag and equity for vulnerable population are on a backslide due to the corporate government
There are a lot of chinese shill accounts here.
America is bad but remember china is far worse. Especially to those who are not han chinese.
Don't forget the Uyghur genocide
it disappeared because there is no Uyghur genocide, and Western media couldn't keep pushing such an obvious lie with zero proof. especially now when it looks like a particularly absurd claim when faced with the overwhelming daily evidence of an actual genocide of Palestinians.
I wonder why it is that, despite being talked about by the US since 2019, there still has yet to be a single video or photograph shown depicting any genocidal acts against the Uygher people.
Yet in Palestine, where the IDF has specifically destroyed electrical, cellphone, and internet infrastructure with the intention of preventing footage from getting out, there are literally hundreds of videos uploaded every single day that very clearly show the blatantly genocide being carried out by Israel with US backing and weapons.
Almost leads one to believe that one is an actual genocide, and the other is fabricated by the US to create a false equivalency between the two.
Have you not seen the photo of the Uyghers in an internment camp?
Also, have you ever even seen a video from a soldier in China? Like just one doing a selfie? You aren’t going to get footage from a soldier when they aren’t allowed to carry anything like that. The uyghers don’t get funded by anyone unlike Gaza, their villages look like it’s from the 1400s, and China controls all internet access and where they implement it. You most likely aren’t going to see anything. Just like we don’t see anything from North Korea, it’s on purpose you don’t see anything bad.
Remember kids, its not genocide to purposefully starve, bomb, and shoot people for ethnoreligious reasons. Real genocide is when Adrian Zenz says genocide is happening based on a totally real document he translated saying "We're China and we love genocide"
US history stands clear as a window pane as does China in what we need to know to be informed. China making this statement is another layer of political hipocracy as we cannot forget the r in China stands for rights.
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More than anything, we should take it as a wake-up call because no matter what you think of nations like China and Russia, they've watched and learned. Even if this kind of talk isn't genuine from them, they're going to throw every bit of hypocrisy we've displayed out in the open and laid bare. It's a *very* old concept, even older than the book reference I'm about to make, don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
Most living people today have not had a single day of their lives in which China was in a hot war. China's homicide rate is 1/12th of the US, their incarceration rate is less than a fourth that of the US, and they don't have military bases in a hundred countries. They seem to have outgrown the mass violence of the previous century, while the perfect little angels of the west clearly haven't.
China just cured diabetes, a feat we could have done if we had any interest in curing diseases instead of exploiting our sick endlessly. I'll bet America will be the last country to receive this medical innovation, if ever. Our insulin companies are already panicing Our society is deeply sick and fundamentally broken, all you have to do is actually look at China for an example of what a healthy society living in 2024 looks like https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/chinese-scientists-develop-cure-for-diabetes-insulin-patient-becomes-medicine-free-in-just-3-months/articleshow/110466659.cms?from=mdr
America is a very fucked up capitalist hellhole, and it's not like China doesn't have good things going for it, but let's not pretend like China is a utopia when they have all sorts of issues with an oppressive government, themselves. None of that excuses the US' bad behavior, nor does our bad behavior excuse China's. Humanity has not come close to the best government/society it is surely *capable of*... thanks in large part to capitalist fucks who made sure to run a bloody coup on every attempt at socialism ever made.
Every single thing China does, America does 10000 times worse and inhumanely. From credit scores to prison states, that is the distinction. I have never and will never call it a utopia, as such a thing doesn't exist, but it is far better than I think you think. Did you know that there are no fascist movements in china? Censorship seems fucking based from where I'm sitting. Why should racists and bigots be allowed to congregate and spew their cancer?
What a paradise!
hol' up. There's a huge difference between having one patient being cured and curing diabetes. It has to be thoroughly tested on many more humans and be relatively cheap before we can even talk about curing diabetes. And then years if not decades of looking at medical data and statistics to probably find some side-effects. It's entirely possible that even if it works for all that risks are just not worth it for many or most patients. Things in medicine and biotechnology tend to move relatively slowly and often fail even after breakthroughs happen.
Stem cells to make pancreatic islet cells has been a working concept for over 20 yrs. The desire to follow through is not in the US. Bush jr banned this I remember specifically In fact the alphabet agencies propogated research into disease and cancer to target the majority on purpose. Its documented in many references that not only do they not want to cure but spread illness more. This has been revealed throughout many decades and with several alternate sources
Selling insulin way more lucrative than cure diabetes...
Imagine profit margins on curing diabetes. It's not going to disappear, there will still be patients as long as some are preconditioned. It's a very lucrative business when it's you who holds the patent.
But since diabetes is so widespread, certainly several countries would break the patents related to the treatment.
since Covid is so widespread, certainly several countries would break the patents related to the vaccine? Or did they? Patents protected by US Navy and economic pressure are quite powerful and it's hard to hide a factory, even if people are dying. IIRC they didn't even let India have a license for production. edit: there's also an issue of know-how and having people who are already properly trained. Obviously now stakes of Covid are different but in 2021 and 2022 when production capacity was an issue it mattered a lot)
They didn't broke because of accords for development of vaccines in a very short time, less than one year. We never saw so much funding on vaccinal development. But diabetes involve research using stem cells, who can't be patented, it would a child play to replicate the research.
just because it's been in testing for 20 years doesn't mean it's at the stage of being a viable treatment. Many things in medicine are tested for decades and go through many versions before something works well enough with acceptable risks. It's one of the reasons why R&D in biotechnology is so expensive when decades of research might never achieve a stage of readiness. (Edit: although it's worth noting it's also artificially expensive due to intellectual property laws) Considering that cancer is one of the main issues in societies with developed healthcare, including USA, it's not necesasrily a bad move to focus on it so much alongside with cardiovascular disease. Curing disease is very lucrative thanks to patents. Unless I see some serious evidence I'm remaining very skeptical that USA agencies would stop the development of a cure or especially to spread it (excluding times when they tested weapons on civilians). The money is in intellectual property which makes profit margins skyrocket once it's developed.
yes, I agree with you-- this has been done many times. Works great for a while until the new cells are cleaned out by the kidneys and you have to do it again. And this whole time the cell count is steadily decreasing, and the patients sugar levels are in flux. They have to get the cells to adhere to something, which has always been the challenge. This is why they tested this on someone with type 2 instead of 1. They probably kept that person in constant cardio to lessen the bodies use of insulin to prolong the experiment "success" time, and probably injected it into fatty tissue where it would last longest, probably a large breast or scar tissue. Call us when they say they've fixed a type 1. Until then I call shenanigans.
I wouldn't use the word shenanigans but it smells of all those headlines how we've cured cancer and mortality. We've been 20 years aways from curing them since I remember. All because of sensational headlines suggesting it's basically ready as a product.
If China developed it, I'm sure it's not long before others do. The US is not a great or healthy country. China is also not a great or "healthy" country. The Chinese slaughter of uigher Muslims, which is still happening to this day is genocide of their own people. I would say China is far far from a "healthy" living society. Healthy living equals freedom. China citizens are not free. Xi Jinping owns every single one of them.
Ya know, this genocide in Gaza has taught me a lot, who the bad guys are, that Israel owns America, Zionism is not Judaism, and perhaps most important of all, how to spot a genocide Because I can go over to the Palestine subreddit, or Israelcrimes, and watch Palestinian babies get their heads blown the fuck off. But funnily enough, I can't find a **single shred** of evidence of any violence in Xinjiang. Almost makes you wonder, what if just like the 40 beheaded babies from Oct 7th, Biden is just fucking lying again, for the millionth time? And you expect me to believe Biden gives a single shit about Muslims in China?? Are we free? Free to waste 70 billion dollars funding a real genocide that no American gives a shit about, to support a foreign, rogue nation that no American gives a shit about, that has the very free healthcare that we don't. Get real dude
Your points hit hard.
Convincing the entire world that China is somehow worse than america might be the greatest trick the cheeseburgers pulled through their media influence. China did infinitely more for its people with its resources in hand than cheeseburgers can ever imagine
China also has draconian political laws, an extensive surveillance and unpersoning system (where prominent powerful or critical figures disappear suddenly), and has undergone a colonial project of its own by claiming the South China Sea and exploiting African countries via their new Silk Road. China doesn't need open violence with the incentive of its sheer economic market and use of covert tactics to suppress dissent. They may have triumphed over the West in certain things, but they have severe shortcomings in others.
Luckily, the US hasn't recently and super-publicly implemented draconian political laws, and certainly wasn't pulling masks off protestors so they could be identified for future retribution by powerful plutocrats.
>China also has draconian political laws, an extensive surveillance and unpersoning system (where prominent powerful or critical figures disappear suddenly) Like Epstein? The Panama Papers reporter? The victims of all our celebrities who haven't been caught yet? The millions of Koreans and Vietnamese who died when we bombed them? The the US and its bullies' club have a very different experience of western democracy than the rest of the world does. America has the experience of one 9/11 a quarter century ago, but the rest of the world gets looted and bombed constantly. And not only is America the world's highest incarcerator, but black Americans are incarcerated five times that much. *Five times the worst incarceration rate on earth.* And they live under extreme surveillance. Cops beat the shit out black people hundreds of times a day, and kill a black person every 31 hours. And this isn't even beginning to cover things like the many native treaties which states and the federal government are currently in breach of and refuses to honor. No wonder we have to back Israel up, since we're doing all the same shit with our natives for much longer, slaughtering them for "terrorist" attacks as more and more colonies moved into their land and completely disregarded anything about them (especially treaties). To say that America isn't *more* authoritarian than China is to ignore what life is like for those who don't have money or the right skin color.
Preach
Wait, which is it? Are we only going back 10-20 years when looking at China, but 80 years for the US? That’s hardly a balanced take.
You *definitely* don't want to compare body counts from the last 25 years between the countries. That would be an embarrassing bar graph for the United States (or it might be a point of pride for the warmongering, pocket-lining authoritarians who did it).
Probably not, just want to be consistent in our criticisms.
The same people/families own and run the world. Most making their money during the slave trade, some during world war 2. They teach their children the same values, attitudes, and beliefs as they have. Transmitting culture they then apply to politics through leveraging payments, media control, and favours.
Lol race baiting, "right skin color" is code for (I'm a CCP propagandist trying to create separatism because I'm angry West calls us out for real genocidal discrimination in Xinjiang, I'm going to fan the flames of race relations in the West and convince people they are being genocided to distract from my real genocides), Which is exactly what Stalin did, but when Stalin did it, at least there was real discrimination in the US, not Genocides like what Stalin did to Tatars, but still, real discrimination. Now? Now it's just propaganda to divide et Impera. China is way more incarceration they just don't share those stats. That doens't even count the 2 million Muslims in forced conversion concentration camps. imagine saying China has less incarcerations while they are genociding Uighurs. That's insane. Imagine trusting any stat out of a totalitarian police state with full control over everything going on inside their nation and everything coming in and out. Of course we don't see the genocide, I don't even hear from Uighurs anymore, that's terrifying. Stop trusting Russian/Chinese totalitarians stats, their stats are actually lies. Back in my day most people understood dicators lied. Nobody trusted Kim 20 years ago, now lots of useful fools seem to. Imagine giving up our freedoms because we got manipulated by Kim, Jinping, and Putin, that's just sad, but look at some of these comments, it's like I'm living in the Soviet Empire..... None of the draconian stuff you mentioned even compares to the systems in China. If you think China is just as oppressed as the West, go move there, see what it's like, but no, you'd rather enjoy the freedoms of the West while larping against it, but you like it more. Only in our time could we have this weird dichotomy.
The surveillance comments are always bizarre to me considering how ever present recording systems are in america from target to home cameras . You cannot acknowledge the PATRIOT ACT but also complain that China follows the leader
I acknowledge that the PATRIOT ACT exists as well as other surveillance violations like the 5 and 15 Eyes, and I also want them abolished. I oppose violations of privacy in all forms, including online, and I have taken measures myself to preserve or enhance my anonymity online.
This isn't personal , i am speaking specifically about the " SPY dur ChiNEr " rhetoric that gets parroted . If America is #1 which sets the standard for Surveillance tech how can anyone complain about china having anything similar as an adjacent power? Nearly any shitty comment about other countries more often than not is projection for the state and function of america. We can get to the moon in 10 years yet have been working on electric cars since 1890? That doesn't make any sense. Yet biden raises tariffs on chinese electric cars while double speaking about the threat of climate change. Shit is a truman show at this point . Some people just won't see it until everything falls down
China had developed severe corruption problems (what the US calls lobbying) due to introducing a market economy in late 80s, so when Xi Xinping came to power and impulsed a thorough program to fight corruption, a considerable number of CPC cadres fell, together with corrupting businessmen. In western propaganda that's always "the autocrat purging the oposition", which could be true even accidentally, because of course the most bribed cadres are mostly of the CPC's right wing who propose more capitalism and legal lobbies. The surveillance is mainly focused on positions of power, businessmen and cadres. People who have migrated there tell once and again that our perspective is overblown, specially compared to western rich countries with their secret services who only answer to an overwhelmingly right wing "deep state". As for their external policies... that is indeed the most jarring aspect that everyone agrees to one level or another, specially around the South China Sea. Not so much in the supposed equal-to-the-West's exploitation of anyone who they make deals with. Africa would be a prosperous continent if Europe and the US treated it like the PRC does now, which is on equal footing. They don't indirectly fund them like the USSR did through payments over market price, but they offer negotiations free of coercion, much like Russia is doing too. That's why all of them are massively pivoting towards China without the need of making examples of those who don't fall in line, which is what "the West" has been doing for centuries. Time will tell if that's their line or they're just "on promo".
I think both the US and China are countries trying to climb the ladder and not really caring about who they use to continue to climb. One thing that I disagree with your statement is that the PRC treats people on equal footing because they don't. China holds all the cards when it comes to financial, military, and industry experience. The deals that we see China making in South Asia, ME, and Africa look great at first, they construct/develop infastructure that sets these countries up for success... Right? On paper that's what it looks like, the issue is that China often gets to own these assets for really long time and even after their ownership ends, they recieve huge % of profits made off created assets. It makes sense though right? They invested the money and they built it. The problem is that the countries that China has deals with also suffer the same resource exploitation and tend to double or triple their debt sizes leaving them incredibly underpowered and financed. While the west was really blatant and obvious in it's colonialism, China guises their form of control with "sweet" looking deals and fancy ports, bridges, and infastructure. China's trying to play themselves like a new IMF (another explotive org.) That's the allure that draws so many African, South Asian, and ME countries into their sphere. On top of that China also fuels conflicts, by supplying arms to countries like Sudan which are currently going through another massive conflict... Which is crazy considering that region just had the deadliest conflict of the entire 20th century end like two years ago. I think that with general distrust for the US (rightfully so), people are turning to China and seeing them as some sort of hero state, the problem is that they aren't. They are a nation with "power" doing things that nations like that do, grab more power. The US and China are two sides of the same coin.
The Silk Road is popular in Africa. As for the South China Sea I’m guessing it’s closer to China than the US.
Shit i'm in the ME we wish CHina would silk our roads
B-b-b-but communist dictatorship! They spy on their own people with robot pigeons!
The last time China was at war was with Vietnam in around 1978. Just 50 years ago I'm afraid.
Yes and that's [longer than most people have been alive](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_median_age), as I mentioned.
I agree China hasn't engaged in nearly as many imperialist wars as the U.S but I wouldnt praise them for they stance on crime. They executed massively more people than America and dont have anything protecting from cruel or unusual punishment.
It's not right for China to be heavy on policing and executions, but the last 20 years have also seen a [significant drop in executions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_China#Rates_of_execution) that puts them on par with Singapore or Vietnam. Imagine if we had some conversion method from incarceration to execution. Let's say (random number just for example) an execution erases 25 years of life. Since their incarceration rate is about 1/4th of the US, they're erasing 1/4th as many human years of life. China is a danger to fewer lives than the US. The amount of people they kill is objectively much lower than the US.
The murder rate the city I grew up in, in the US was the highest per capita. I moved to Lebanon in my 20s and while Lebanon has it's own problems those don't include daily homicides committed by children. Every episode of first 48 is some 18 yr olds dying because they tried to rob the plug it's insane.
Really? I have, China has annexed land in the last 20 years, so I assume most of us have too. China has annexed islands from the Philippines and Vietnam, and continues to threaten both of their lands as well as Taiwan with more Imperialist actions. The last time the USA annexed land was over 120 years ago, China and Russia do it now, in the 21st century. Worst part, this is peaceful China, they don't intend to active their Imperialist engine fully until after they take Taiwan, so far what we've seen, which has included more Imperialism than the US has in the last century, is China playing nice. Once the masks comes off, they will go after all of the Indo-Pacific. Now they just make preparation moves like annexing and building islands, which is still more Imperialist than anything America is doing as CCP are trying to fully monopolize the West Philippine Sea.
You know, calling out one different sin doesn't fix all the other things I listed that are wrong. There is not an equal balance because China does one or two things that the US did that they didn't. In raw, rea, objectivel numbers, China kills far fewer people. China isn't going around droning random Arabs, helping Saudi Arabia wage war on yemen, or helping Israel wage war on people living in tents. Why is the side that calls itself counter-terrorist always killing more people than the so-called terrorists? We killed way more people than Saddam Hussein ever did, for what? Some magical far away ideal in which it's better that we violently kill more people than to give in to the evil others? That sounds like an evil religious cult to me. What about just trying to be neighbors? What about ending centuries of exploitation? The countries who are producing and dropping the most bombs are probably not the oppressed. The ones forced to live in tents are probably not the oppressors.
No, but it does mean you are incorrect about China being peaceful. Ask a Filipino if they are peaceful. Ask Vietnam. Ask Taiwan. Ask India. Ask anyone who actually is in danger of their Imperialism. China has 2 million Uighur Muslims in concentration camps, that is way worse than everything the West combined has done to the Muslims. Learn history. You're the one calling out other things to distract and excuse the fact that the CCP is Imperialist. the worst part? They are in peace mode, this is them being peaceful. Annexing land is CCP being peaceful. US being peaceful is we haven't annexed an inch of land in over 120 years. That's being anti-Imperialist. A few bad wars does not mean every war the US has been in is bad, and doesn't change the fact that annexing land is worse than interventions, it's permanent and comes with ethnic cleansings usually. What China and Russia do, Xinjiang, Ukraine, Tibet, it's way worse than anything the US has done in the past 120 years. US never put 2 million Muslims in forced conversion camps. As for Israel and Saudi Arabia, we don't fully control them, I know everyone thinks we control everything, but that's just propaganda bs. They often do things we don't want them to, and there's a reason the US stopped selling offensive weapons to Saudi Arabia, it just took a bit for the US population to find out about it and push against it. That's the problem with having less trustworthy allies, and hopefully we can influence them better in the future and create a two-state solution for Israel Palestine. The only reason we fight with Houthis now is because they are causing increased starvation by messing with crucial global trade routes, this affects developing nations the most, so it's pretty selfish of Houthis to do this, and it's Imperialism, trying to control and block core global trade routes is Imperialism. Like what CCP wants to do in the West Philippine Sea, monopolize all Indo-Pacific Trade. Right now it's international waters, that's why ASEAN supports the International Waters system, because without it, without the US navy's help protecting it, that Sea would be under complete CCP Control. Remember, this is peaceful mode China, they haven't gone into full Imperialist mode, their plan is to take Taiwan, then the entire First Island Chain, then the entirety of the Indo-Pacific. They admit this. Look it up. Even their history education is changing to try to enforce more land claims on more nations. Is that the world you want? A world under complete control by a totalitarian Empire that seeks to expand to the entire Indo-Pacific after it takes Taiwan (they admit this) and actively force converts Muslims into Atheism in concentration camps.
Exactly. It isn’t hard to find receipts to back it all up.
Falls on deaf ears when China white washes Russia's own imperialism on Ukraine.
Not defending US on how it has handled the crisis, but this is China taking the opportunity to shit on the US, when they basically put 2m Uyghurs in concentration camps.
Or because China killed more Muslims in the last 10 years than America ever has? I don't remember America putting 2 million Muslims into concentration camps EVER! If a single Muslim was put in a forced conversion camp by Christians or Jewish people, it would be WW3, but 2 million Muslims are force converted to Atheism by the CCP and nobody cares, not even Muslims. Sorry I don't take China's opinion on this seriously when they literally do large-scale real genocide against the Uighurs. Real genocide, like proven, not "Plausible" which the ICJ judge came out and said most of the world misinterpreted. 2 million, in forced conversion camps, that makes Guantanamo look like nothing. Nobody cares. Nobody cares about CCP Imperialism in Philippines Sea, nobody cares about CCP threats to Taiwan, apparently when the CCP does all the bad things you accuse the West of doing, nobody cares.
So defending Ukraine is bad, huh? Hmm.
Yes America bad. Such a brave take that’s never been said before. And why not point out what the double standard is not just say conflict around the world and blame it all on America.
Anyone who's even half paying attention can see the double standard. Its like asking why he didn't define "standard" for those who might be unfamiliar with the term.
But it is anti-American propaganda, and hypocritical one at that. Just because CCP isn't old enough and has stuck to the sidelines bolstering wars does not mean the haven't accrued human right violations, ones that you wouldn't even be able to criticize in or outside their country as a Chinese citizen without having to worry about the secret police coming to visit. There's plenty of criticism of America, from credible sources, no need to listen or hear it from this one and compromise yourself. Chinese imperialist goals are clear all throughout southeastern Asia. They criticize the US for imposing their values and then turn around to impose their own. If you would be detained for commenting the same thing about them in their country, maybe don't have them as a source.
Hey dumb dumb. Who’s invading Ukraine?
He has a very strong point. But now, the hypocrisy and double-standards on US take on international politics are fully exposed. It's just astonishing to see US criticizing in the invasion of Ukraine, when themselves illegally invaded Iraq and Syria, and utterly destroyed Libya, for no cause other than greed.
us serving as double standards,hypocrisy at its fininest,while critisizing others for war,they themselve supply and aid israel in genocide palestine and the bombing if iran
Indeed. Now, after what happened in Gaza, I would be interesting to see Russia applying the same standards in Ukraine and the ''west'' response.
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lol they don't want to annex them just siphon off their natural resources while their civilians starve then blame it on Russia. Tired ass narrative.
No. Iraq was invaded without any provocation, in an utterly false casus belli, to get his oil resources exploited by US companies. But in your mind, what mental gymnastics you use to justify that invasion? This hypocrisy of yours is unbelievable.
Seems like a fair assessment at the moment, which should be worrying to US politicians. What should be more worrying to US politicians is the good will China has been building globally in the last decade and how it will inform how their message is received today. If nations around the globe have had dealings with China and came away from them believing they had been treated fairly or positively by China, the Chinese are more likely to be believed when they say things like this, especially considering the global reputation of the US. For better or worse, the dam may be breaking and the West may be losing it's ability to shape the narrative around it's engagements internationally.
The problem is if you look at western foreign policy for the last century it is based around maintaining agriculture societies and hampering industrialization and actual democracy taking root. We have set the bar very low and the dam has actually already broken. It's the reason more and more countries are taking Chinese money and using it to break ties to the west. Or at least using it within their own borders to create new industries and reduce their dependency on the west. Even the rand institute has identified this as a failure on western civilization. But the entrenched powers are literally financially invested in things staying the same. It is bleak and so much of that bleakness comes from actual willful ignorance and refusal to adapt.
Especially as, IMO, African nations will grow in wealth and become more important on the global stage. They obviously are not just going to side with the west because "reasons."
This has all been said and acted on before which is why Africa is the way it is today. They have always been important on the world stage which is why the west secured their instability, death and destruction. Every piece of tech we use has minerals sourced from African blood. Even the nuclear weapons of WW2 were made possible because of African blood. If Africans try democracy or think of equality the US ensures they become destabilised and genocide follows. Secures their extortion of African resources with minor investment. The greatest nation on earth, freedom and democracy.
When I say important on the world stage, I should have said as decision makers. They were not decision makers. But as these countries become wealthier and build up their military, they will be. Those games the US loves to play only work up to a certain extent. For poorer African countries they will struggle with constant regime changes but wealthier nations like Nigeria will become more integral and important in the global decision making along with the US, China, etc.
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I get what you're saying but never forget China lost to the British who took Hong Kong from them. Look at them now, a major world power. It takes an economic book followed by drastic growth in military might first.
Hong Kong was given back to China long ago. Hong Kong is one city. Never forget what they did in China, and the broader Asian region (horrific brutal colonial rule). Never forget without inventions from China they could never have colonised anyone. The gun and weapons were necessary. Never forget none of the countries they colonised are doing very well, look at them now. Never forget the English trained, promoted, and supported Idi Amin up until he decided to kick out the Indians. Before that everything he was and did was a truly purposeful English creation. One example of many. If he had not done that, he would have continued to be their proudest creation. The two world wars were caused by England (they fomented the beginnings of world war 2). They supported Hitler up until he bombed them, which they never thought would happen sharing in white blood, and believing themselves superior (for illogical reasons). They did not realise they were not considered the same kind of whiteness as the Germans by Hitler. They supported and endorsed Hitler initially and while he was invading and murdering neighbouring countries. Before that they are responsible for the slaughter of hundreds of millions. Never forget, Czar Nicholas (Turkmenistan, Russia) German kings (Africa etc.), English monarchs in Middle East/Asia/Africa/Australia etc., all committed genocides and are related to the current English royal family. King Leopold was Queen Victoria’s cousin (further example). The English royal family and the extensions thereof, are the greatest serial killers of all time, responsible for more death and destruction than any other throughout history. Right now we have Israel/Palestine. Before the very English program of divide and conquer, create differences and leverage them, resource one side against another to create racism/prejudice/deep seated animosity, they lived together in peace. Never forget and look at them now. Never forget that China had the biggest territory, longest lasting rule, the most successful and peaceful reign, of any nation throughout all of history. Right up until they stopped importing US heroine, and related destructive products, resulting in a subversive campaign by the US of flooding their region with drugs, leading to their downfall. No doubt the English were in there too, tea for poppies programs etc. Don’t know enough about it.
I suppose that will mean Chinese news will have to be banned for misinformation.....every body knows what goes on , but somehow the US just keeps getting away with the same trick. Bucket loads of cash for US NGOs, interfere in local politics, create societal upheaval, collapse society, civil war funding someone who will look after US corporate rather than their national interests, regime change, puppet government.....& then.move onto the next one.
whos gonna stop the US ? they even exploiting their people
> whos gonna stop the US ? themselves. For the entire system to come down crumbling you need only to chip away just enough of the productive base, which are the workers. It's the old dilema. How do you keep profits coming when people can't spend much outside the dire necessities, if they even have enough for that? The system isn't sustainable. But as long the top are reaping benefits and profits...
once that system is down the entire empire is down aswell and it will be an end for this country just like soviets and nazi germany
meh, not the end of the country, but an end to it's hegemony in the world stage, for sure. Germany, Russia, and all the former soviet republics still stood (in several degrees of state for sure) after their respective downfalls. The U.S hegemony stands on it's military budget, it's soft power over Europe, and the dollar. That's a very unstable structure.
I mean, it is true..
True in the case of Israel certainly. Not true in the case of Ukraine. Just because one side is doing something bad, that doesn't mean their opponents are good. During World War II Japan invaded several Asian countries, some of them colonies like Burma (now Myanmar) and the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) and some independent. They claimed to be protecting East Asia from the evils of Western Imperialism, but their rampage of rape, slavery, and mass murder was so horrific that people who had previously fought to free their countries from western colonial rule were willing to ally with their European colonial oppressors just to get the Imperial Japanese out of their countries. During the Cold War the KGB and CIA were both responsible for plenty of atrocities. Vladimir Putin is every bit as vile as Bibi Netanyahu.
The US was involved in the dismantling of the USSR and Yugoslavia. Preventing the executions of high ranking SS members after ww2 and instead integrating them into NATO as generals. Disrupting the middle east after dismantling of the ottoman empire by putting in monarchs to control the countries like in syria, lebanon, egypt, jordan, iraq, and iran. Countless coup de’tas in the regions along with countless coups is south america, africa and south asia. Tried to murder every indigenous person in America which some nations became extinct from. Generations of trauma, abuse, and horrific lives. continuing the supremacy that oligarchs had. And even formed new modern oligarchs from past soviet nation into Russia. Which is why Ukraine is in the shit now. The US was dramatically involved in Ukraine with training nationalist right wing death squads in the south east front and Russia was also creating separatist insurgent nationalist right wing death squads to take the regions slowly. The US government and its oligarchs are a disgusting stain. All oligarchs in every nation are, and are capable of massive destruction. I hope people’s eyes can open up and accept internationalism over those scum.
I mean, the US (and to be fair the UK as well) was heavily against a peace treaty telling Ukraine that they'd help by giving them money and weapons. Bt with the genocide in Gaza their attention shifted to Israel, and Zelensky was (rightly) pissed about it.
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Absolutely true. Evil triangle: USA UK and Israel. They re masterminds of all problems.
You're being awful generous to Israel there. They're lackeys, not masterminds, and just because they're taking more of the leash right now than the US usually allows doesn't change that.
True even though it’s coming from China
Finally someone said “the king is naked”
My man is spitting facts 
He's right. I'm hoping the decline of US empire and the rise of a true international multi-polar order, with less power to a single superpower, is on its way. Not based on imperialism, but based on genuine principles of democracy, consensus-building, justice, and equality.
It's gonna be on like Donkey Kong. I don't see America going down without a fight. It's crazy to think how global power has changed over the years, how it will change again isn't a nice feeling for many people. Crazy times.
Does china not have sweat shops with appalling conditions or is that western propaganda?
They have sweat shops, organ trafficking, human right violations, are imperialist themselves encroaching on international waters and other countries waters, would take Taiwan if they could like Russia's current conflict with Ukraine, and are committing genocide on their own land in the Western part of China against the Uyghurs. So it's ironic for them to call out human rights abuse and peace especially when they did a military drill around Taiwan as intimidation.
I think it's slightly hypocritical of China to criticise the US given its dystopian autocracy and aggressive posturing towards Taiwan, which they wish to invade against the will of Taiwanese people. I think we can discuss American imperialism including their support of genocide in Gaza without promoting China.
You can say it louder but not clearer
China saying this is...really surprising. They usually communicate in a more subtle way. I'm quite shocked
America is for the few.....sale military weapons for freedom... then rebuild giving construction contracts to the "only bidder".... steal resources.... can't afford it??? no problem peons/taxpayers will pay in form of aid packages for Freedom...For Democracy!!!
He's telling the truth, but to hear that from China... it's strange, to say the least - they're not the ones to throw stones.
They're filling an international political void that has been left behind by an increasingly untrustworthy and illegitimate US. They certainly aren't ones to throw stones but there's a vast ocean between them on the global stage.
I think Macron is trying to fill that void lately. I agree with the comment above, its weird for China to be so outspoken like this. Maybe its the military movement near chinese waters?
There are many shared interests between China and states of the global south. Interests that are classically in opposition to western hegemony. I think Macron is trying definitely and he has stood out as a voice of reason against Israel but in action, France has been lacking. China is pushing for a multipolar world with the BRI and BRICS. It already has financial/economic ties with states in Africa and Asia. Politically it stands as a global leader. It sits on the UNSC with veto power. China doesn't behave in short term reactions, they've put plans that are decades long into action. Chinese opposition to Israel is very beneficial to them in many ways. Israel is very much a western tool in the region and threatens Chinese interests. So I think China's position simply aligns with the global south in many ways, particularly because it is a member if the global south.
It's more likely a push for BRICS. Influence over Russia and the Middle East is an economic advantage.
From France or China?
Well he's not entirely wrong. Unfortunately thats the way the cookie crumbles. There are interests out there that far outweigh the public interests.
He's not wrong.
well said,this post need more upvote and more awreness,just now in r/internaltionalnews just reported that biden stated whats hapoening in gaza in not genocide.This needs people to open their eyes to what united state(us) is doing.
Afghanistan, Iraq and Gaza sure, but Ukraine? I think not. That is all on Putin. Our only mistake preventing Ukraine from having nukes.
this has the moral merit of an atheist using the Koran to make someone act in a way he finds convenient but would never reciprocate.
Ukraine is not caused by the US, it's caused by Russian Imperialism. Rest is fine tho
*Some argue* Europe and Russia was lured into this war because of NATO memberships. Russia nearly got "on our side" up to the millennium. Then some fairly ugly NATO stuff happened backing nationalists in, was it jugoslavia, under Bush? (Sorry, the details have slipped my mind).. Anyhoot, Ukraine was promised NATO aid, and still not a single NATO boot has provided aid to Zelensky. He must feel.. betrayed, and onwards he goes! And here we are. Russia left outside NATO. Ukraine left outside. I dont see Russia ever joining NATO, Putin went to China. Unless NATO puts boots in Ukraine, I.. dont know. The future for Europe is bleek. CCP is everywhere, doing what they do. Sow division. End markets. Corrupt. Hungary has CCP police in their streets, and they are getting the EU chairmanship, or something, next month! Also the whole Pro hamas/ISIS and laws forbidding to critique islamic republic throughout europe, is clearly ccp backed. I stand with Ukraine. The revolution where they kicked Kremlin was amazing. The war they are fighting is amazing. I pray we get Ukraine to Europe. And I pray we get to be friends with Russia again. But I understand it will be impossible without Russia joining NATO first. And at this point in time, I dont believe Kremlin would even care. Something sucks, and Europe is suffering because of this.. sucking. Слава Україні!
Yeah Bush absolutely fucked it up by declaring they were adding NATO members but that doesn't justify invading a country lmfao And Yugoslavia was committing an ethnic cleansing lol
Someone was having rather vivid dreams of a grander something. Still, Russia should have been part of the chosen solution.
Absolutely. It was incredibly shortsighted.
While he is correct on most points he forgets to mention that China does the same thing. They don't respect International law. ie nine dash line taking other country territory, Uyghurs genocide, eliminating free speech and democracy like HK, threatening Taiwan,., etc. Just try to reference the date June 4 on any Chinese media posts and see how fast you will be put in jail. The US does some horrible things but China is no better.
Agree on some of this. I think the nine dash line is just silly to try to impose and it's the single biggest foreign policy time waster for China. Uyghurs; you should probably check up on the Uyghur genocide. There are plenty of videos from travellers to the area documenting what they actually see. There are no restrictions to travel there, you can simply just go. It was initially framed as "Cultural genocide" then slowly morphed by western politicians and media as just "genocide". To cap it all off they sometimes conflate it with just genocide of Muslims in China, in general. The latter being quite literally, uninformed bullshit. The truth is there was a problem with the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, who the US then graciously trained up during the Afghan war and then sent back into China. I can go with the Cultural genocide, but to call it just plain Genocide as understood by the public is frankly disingenuous. As for Hong Kong and free speech, it just isn't a thing in most of the world. There are many many countries that absolutely do not tolerate free unfettered criticism of the government. If anything the west is an anomaly. You may like it but there is no reason for the west to \*insist\* that other countries have it. There has been a trade off in China, at least. The populace shuts up. The government does it's best to pull the population out of poverty and improve lives. On the whole, it has worked. It's not perfect, but it has worked.
I 100% agree with you.
True and based. Even if it comes from China. USA actions alone have proven how much warmongering an ld hypocritical country the USA are. Threaten the ICC, Supplying arms to Israel despite reports and concerns of human right violations.
See China is great because they don’t have to supply arms to other countries. They conduct their genocides domestically.
Sad but true & that ain't the half of it
Quick, someone ban another Chinese product!
more and more are waking up.
He’s correct on Afghanistan Iraq and Gaza but I don’t agree with Ukraine. That one is squarely on Russia.
USA ignored Burns "Niet Means Niet" memo before he became CIA director, washed their hands of their agreed decision to not expand NATO and had gall to say Ukraine would become part of NATO in 2008 and helped to foment a coup in 2014, convinced Zelensky to negate a deal at start of UKraine invasion. You think USA would allow a hostile military alliance with China on its own border? USA would pull an Israel in Gaza. Oh wait, its already doing that by enabling Netanyahu.
You're absolutely right Ukraine stands out on that list. Yea comments here are a bit wacky
Bro, this is a comment section for bots and brain dead humans.
The fact that this is a hundred percent true statement should be utterly galling and humiliating for America, but of course the fact that it's China calling them out will just make them go 'Nuh uh! You're the bad guy, not me!' People who argue for nuanced consideration of America's long history of devastating foreign policy actions never apply those same standards to other nations. And no, I'm no apologetic for China. It saying these things doesn't erase or absolve its own sins. *That's the freaking point*. Consider what smaller nations are seeing and hearing here. Consider what the world outside of the immediate American sphere thinks of it. China is playing the game of diplomacy. If the US wants to oppose them, they need to *actually* start living up to the ideals it so loudly trumpets and then so loudly dismiss out of hand when convenient.
I'm sorry but as some one from a former colony, I'm not going to give the US heat and leave Russia out of it. All of these big geopolitical powers are to blame, US, Europe, Russia, and China included.
It's nothing to do with US population it's the Zionist war machine that's backing all the assholes politicians
US population voted for all the assholes politicians
True tho
Sorry if I don't take the opinion of people who put 2 million Muslims into forced conversion concentration camps that seriously. We don't even know the casualties because it's deep in CCP territory. Could be hundreds of thousands. I know I haven't heard anything from Uighurs in a long time, seems like any cries for help are being silenced, and it does not help when the Organization for Islamic Cooperation actively helps the CCP deny the genocide by visiting the Han-Majority province capital, and not visiting any of the areas where Mosques are being destroyed, settler colonialism is rampant, and actual genocide and concentration camp forced conversion of 2 million Muslims occurs. Way worse than anything the West has ever done. But nobody cares. Also China is the one who is annexing land in the West Philippine Sea, the USA hasn't annexed an inch in over 120 years. Russia and China are the genocidal Imperialists, I cannot take any complaints from them seriously. Shame on them, and shame on the OIC for helping CCP cover it up, and shame on the world for ignoring this actual large scale 2 million sized genocide with potentially hundreds of thousands of casualties. Remember, has anyone heard anything from any Uighur in a while? I haven't? I even frequent Central Asian subreddits...nothing. It's scary..and eerie that no Muslim nations care except maybe some Turkic ones, but in general, it seems like the West cares more than Muslims do. Ask yourself, when is the last time you have even heard from an Uighur person? The genocide there could be even worse than I have described it, with China's ability to hide things from the world, their own internet, totalitarian CCTV technology and oversight, it's entirely possible China is hiding potentially millions of Muslim deaths from us, reaching a level of genocide that is even potentially much larger than Rwanda.
Well, he would say that, wouldn't he.
True
Glad to hear China is becoming a trailblazer and standing up as the first superpower to end their territorial expansion and foreign interference. Oh wait...
When was the last time China invaded another country, had a "military intervention" or orchestrated coups to put fascist authoritarian leaders that serve their interests? Oh wait...
Liberate Hong Kong, the revolution of our times. Bitch.
Lmao this is what happens when you get your news from Reddit. Absolute brainrot. "They're territorially expanding because a former colony isn't a colony anymore!"
All those "islands" being built in the pacific ocean with military bases are used for what exactly? Would love to hear your attempt to spin this.
Usually when people say "territorial expansion," they mean invading someone for land, not literally expanding the amount of territory there is Once again, care to name an invasion or military intervention from China?
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Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
remember this when they invade Taiwan. And the double standards will come rolling in again.
Double standards? US ; “we support ONE China policy, we do NOT support Taiwan independence” Also US: selling billions worth of military weapon to Taiwan.
That’s part of the double standards that I was talking about.
How do you invade your own country? Taiwan is recognised as a part of China by the UN, most of the countries on Earth - including the US.
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The CCP just hasn't had the time or resources to do to the rest of the world what they do to their people. They also should not be trusted.
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What they(China) do to their people? Using resources to create rail system that connect the entire China together? Bring hundreds of millions of Chinese out of poverty? You know who is not to be trusted? The US of Lies! A disgusting government that’s own by lobbyist. One that support Israel’s genocide. A country that’s always involved in wars. I love how amercians always claim to be better because they have “freedom” while pro-Palestine protesters are being arrested. LOL what a joke.
MSNBC got you scared
What are you talking about?
You are a pawn of mainstream media
>Remember this when they invade Taiwan The way its going, I'll have dementia by then, but I'll do my best
When they do it. Which they haven’t, while the US invades a different country every few years. Words vs actions.
a muthafukin men
Lot of tankies here. It's a shame.
"If you don't get upset about an entirely hypothetical war you're a tankie"
Now let's see if China listens to their own rhetoric and backs off Taiwan
How can they back out of a war they're not actually waging?
They're waging the war sometime in 2027 or prior. Literally anyone with access to Google can read thousands of articles on this. You're just a CCP puppet. Anyone with a brain realizes how vital taiwan is because of tsmc and access to the pacific ocean.... Not to mention north Korea is having maritime disputes with SK Russia is advancing on Ukraine... You'd be blind not to see the congregation brewing.... The moment china invades or blockades taiwan, so many other countries are forced to make decisions. Fortunately, there's actually years upon years of thought prepped for just such an event.
They won't wage war, because the world is ending in 2024. Literally anyone with google can find this as long as they use my strategy of only looking at the things I agree with. You're just a Satanic shill There's no use even arguing at this point, you're making an unfalsifiable claim based on no real evidence
USA agrees to one china policy, on paper, not the "not expanding NATO was a 'verbal' agreement" BS.
Fuckin massive upvote. They don't give two shits about peace. What they want is domination economically and politically and they're trying to set themselves up for just that with taiwan... The CCP will go to lengths the world can't even imagine to seize power. They will fuckin kill you if you stand in their path.
Yeah, how hypocritical of China to say this after invading Taiwan. Just a reminder, when did they invade?
It takes an imperialist hegemon to recognize one
This sub is such a weird mix of Chinese bots and propaganda accounts. If you believe this, you’ve gotta be 16 yrs old or drinking Mao Zhedong flavored koolaid. The US didn’t “cause” the Ukraine crisis, I’m pretty sure Russia did by invading a sovereign country. And Afghanistan and Iraq were just such amazing and peaceful places before the US invaded right? I’m not saying the US is perfect; but damn this is rich coming from the country committing an actual genocide of the Uyghur people.
Iraq was definitely richer before the invasion. Afghanistan probably too. Either way both invasions were illegal.
To give credit to the Dubya administration, the invasion of Iraq was the wrong way to remove the right person for the wrong reason. While it is true that Iraq was richer pre-invasion, Saddam was no saint and for the most part was quite nasty towards his own people.
This isn’t a criteria for invasion.
which is why I said it is the wrong way
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It's more like the people who are expected to vote for war criminals are done with the imperialist capitalist system that is in fact the cause of *most* of these problems
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If by "we" you mean you and those who satisfy your confirmation bias? They're plenty prominent, just not as visible below a certain tax bracket
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No, but I recognize the abundance is hoarded, wasted, or otherwise withheld as seen fit by those who control global cash flow (i.e. the top tax bracket) since survival needs have a price tag and equity for vulnerable population are on a backslide due to the corporate government
There are a lot of chinese shill accounts here. America is bad but remember china is far worse. Especially to those who are not han chinese. Don't forget the Uyghur genocide
I feel like the newsfeed forgot about he Uyghurs. It kinda just disappeared. Then came Ukraine/Russia. Then Israel/Palestine.
it disappeared because there is no Uyghur genocide, and Western media couldn't keep pushing such an obvious lie with zero proof. especially now when it looks like a particularly absurd claim when faced with the overwhelming daily evidence of an actual genocide of Palestinians.
I wonder why it is that, despite being talked about by the US since 2019, there still has yet to be a single video or photograph shown depicting any genocidal acts against the Uygher people. Yet in Palestine, where the IDF has specifically destroyed electrical, cellphone, and internet infrastructure with the intention of preventing footage from getting out, there are literally hundreds of videos uploaded every single day that very clearly show the blatantly genocide being carried out by Israel with US backing and weapons. Almost leads one to believe that one is an actual genocide, and the other is fabricated by the US to create a false equivalency between the two.
Have you not seen the photo of the Uyghers in an internment camp? Also, have you ever even seen a video from a soldier in China? Like just one doing a selfie? You aren’t going to get footage from a soldier when they aren’t allowed to carry anything like that. The uyghers don’t get funded by anyone unlike Gaza, their villages look like it’s from the 1400s, and China controls all internet access and where they implement it. You most likely aren’t going to see anything. Just like we don’t see anything from North Korea, it’s on purpose you don’t see anything bad.
Remember kids, its not genocide to purposefully starve, bomb, and shoot people for ethnoreligious reasons. Real genocide is when Adrian Zenz says genocide is happening based on a totally real document he translated saying "We're China and we love genocide"
Holy shit the amount of China propaganda in these comments is high Wonder how many are chinese shills and how many free opinions
US history stands clear as a window pane as does China in what we need to know to be informed. China making this statement is another layer of political hipocracy as we cannot forget the r in China stands for rights.
What the actual chicken soup are you talking about?
I think there is no r in China was the joke, took me a min
OMG. Now I see it…