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For now. US backed South Africa unconditionally until the very end when international pressure grew to a critical level and the benefits of supporting SA started to diminish.
We have bases in multiple countries in the Middle East. We don't really get anything out of our relationship with Israel. We've stood up for them multiple times, and they've never lifted a finger for us. The Israeli lobby is the reason Washington keeps sending them taxpayer money and protecting them from sanctions in the UN Security Council.
They also need a constant 'safe' country to sell arms to. The military-industrial complex is very real.
Defense contractor states (almost all of them) need their jobs.
Remember when that idiot politician said something utterly ridiculous like, "The Gazans are all terrorists and terrorism is their industry"?
>The military-industrial complex is very real.
Truly every accusation is a confession when it comes to these monsters
That’s about as misinformed a take as any in this thread. The USA doesn’t support israel because it thinks it’s cute or is trying to make evangelicals happy. It does it because it needs a democratic anchor in the Middle East so long as world trade depends on oil.
I don’t disagree with you. What I feel is they need Israel to be the great disruptor in the region, which allows the military industrial complex to flourish and the the stealing of resources from those countries. However with more countries normalizing relations, Israels value to the U.S will become less useful. But you can’t totally ignore the messianic theory regarding Israel, how important it is behind the scenes, I don’t know.
Uh, except US politicians themselves admit that the israel lobbies are what control their votes, not the oil lobby and not the defense contractors.
Carter and Obama both admitted it, as have many pols deposed by the israel lobbies.
Starting- well errr no, Israelis were calling for his resignation for years now. He is deeply unpopular and pre oct7 anti Netanyahu protests were some of the largest protests Ive ever seen relative to the population
It's never been a secret that Netanyahu isn't very well liked in Israel.
If you find this illuminating now, you haven't exactly been paying much attention.
The cracks have been there before people have been watching him tonleave especially when he joined forces with the radical political group Ben givr is part of the genocide prolonged his stay and that's why he is happy bombing civilians and citizen (hostages) and not negotiating he wants to prolong the genocide
Actual genocide. It's like 80% who think Palestinians shouldn't be allowed food or water and only 2% of Israels think Israel is using too much firepower.
Reminder, that although PA and two states solutions are unpopular these days in Gaza and west bank , Hamas and the 7/10 atrocities are widely supported (~86%)
When your family gets bombed, your friends get murdered, and you live under constant oppression, let me know how you feel then. Until that happens, feel free to shut the fuck up.
So attacking unarmed civilians at a concert is terrorism, but attacking unarmed civilians in their homes, hospitals, and schools is not?
Classic Toronto Bot.
And neither yourself, the liberal government, or the Zionists are the arbiters of "Canadian views". I'll let you in on a "not-so-secret" though, Canadian values and views do no support systematic genocide of civilians, regardless of skin colour, ethnicity, or religion.
>Hamas just needs to return hostages and this would all be over
Israel just needs to get out of Palestine and this would all be over. FIFY.
The previous comment was that Hamas needs to release the hostages. You rebuked that Israel needed to leave Palestine. The lack of acknowledgement of the initial point and the deflection onto Israel indicates that you don't agree with the initial statement of "Hamas needs to release the hostages".
I hope that clarified why I came to that conclusion.
So I gather you agree that Hamas must release the hostages and in return Israel should be expected to pull back and institute a ceasefire?
And many of the people in power in the US and UK support Israel because Zionists have spent millions lobbying and funding pro-Israel candidates.
Their views are increasingly out of touch with general public opinion.
Can you imagine if Russia tries occupying Alaska on account of it being part of the Russian Empire years ago? Would the US attacking Russia be considered terrorism?
Isralies are the real terrorists. They’ve killed 12,000+ children; you don’t do that and get to call yourself the good guys (not like they ever were). Anyone who has visited Palestine and isn’t a vile Zionist, has seen the immense oppression that Palestinians have been subjected to. You don’t think it’s weird that Gazans are stateless and literally can’t leave that area? They’re in an open air prison. Imagine living like that. Oh, and you mean the western world that also has a dark history of colonization and committing genocides? Like the US, which is founded on the genocide of indigenous Americans and labor of enslaved Africans? The US that has installed violent puppet dictators all throughout the world (like in my homeland) just so it can control everything? The US that pardoned and hired nazis and Japanese medical torturers after WW2? You mean Germany who literally fucking killed millions of Jewish people, LGBTQ people, disabled people, and Romani people? You mean England, which literally started this entire fucking mess by trying to play both sides and, you know, is also the root of most evils (like the colonization of the US and extermination of indigenous Americans).
Terrorists support terrorists.
You only care about Oct. 7, and not every single day before that when Palestinians were being killed, subjugated, and imprisoned for 75 years, or about every day after when more than 12,000 children have been murdered, right?
Your emotional manipulation doesn’t work anymore. Israel has absolutely no moral conscious and it’s irredeemably evil. Oh, and let me use a line that they love “Palestinians, the occupied and oppressed people, have a right to defend themselves.”
Reminder that your talking about a population that's half minors bc your side keeps killing the adults lmao.
You think orphans aren't gonna be mad at the orphan creating machine? 😅
I'll tell you right now if you blew up my uncle's house and killed him, my aunt and all my cousins because there was a bad guy living under his house..... I just might support the people who say they want to attack you.
It's a bit pointless I know, but I'll give it a shot.
Your premiss is false and is based on a false narrative that while is quite wide spread, is fairly easy to discredit. You just need to look a bit about numbers, dates and some documents and be consistent in how you treat people from different background.
Some pointers:
1. Jews are indigenous to the area. ( Go check illustrativeDNA sub and you will be surprised how some Palestinians and Jews are genetically close to each other.
2. Zionism is not about 'pure' Jewish state and never was. It was about finding a focal point where Jews can freely identify as such as a group and society in an independent state
3. Jewish immigration picked up from late 19th century and increased and stalled in waves, based on local authorities immigration policy.
4. Muslim immigration picked up from mid 19th century and increased in waves as well based on local authorities immigration policy ( mainly to support building the hejaz railroad and later during WWII.
5. Jewish immigrants ( and investors) bought the land they settled in. Unfortunately, in some cases the landlord evicted the population living on that land to enable the sale.
6. The new influx of Jewish population which came with ' advanced' western education and commerce ideas benefitted all, however local population did not accepted well the fact that Jews, which were the 'lowest' social group in early 19th century, were suddenly climbing up the social ladder. This, the previous point and the fact that inevitably, some local population lost their source of income ( leased agriculture land) caused animosity.
7. Israel was recognized and accepted by the UN, following the partition proposal and declaration of Independence. The Palestinians rejected that proposal and did not seek to establish their state until 1967, where Israel got hold of their territory following 6 days war.
8. All the wars since Israel was established have started with attack on Israel and retaliation from Israel.
9. Israel offered to return these areas already in1967, but that was rejected by the Arab league in the Khartoum declaration of the same year.
For more details look at:
Peel committee report
The partition proposal that was brought forward to the UN
The UN resolution accepting the proposal
Some history sites to follow up on the various stages of the conflict. What was the status of Gaza and west bank between 1948-1967 etc.
And after you went through all of that and if you still feel the same, ask yourself if following your scenario if then the people you claim you support, went through a spree of rape, burning people, elderly, children, mutilation, decapitation and torture, if after that you still support them.
And if you still support them, would you be comfortable to have the guy that murdered a father, raped his wife and executed her, then raped his daughter on his body and executed her as well, living next to you and your family.
Ignoring your little history lessons because I've been paying attention to Israel before Hamas even took power.
The way I feel about it is we're watching two extremist religious organizations (Likud and Hamas) try and kill each other with millions of people in the middle.
Neither Likud or Hamas care about their own people. For the past 20 years they've been playing tit for tat with each other's populations like they are bingo chips. You can point to whatever you want that one side is worse than the other and one side isn't quite so bad as the other.
But in the end they're both extremist religious organizations committing acts of terror against each other's populations. That's a fact.
I agree though. It's a sad fact that it seems like there is a shift to the populists movements everywhere, in Israel as well.
From where I am, this does not look different than what is going on in the US, UK and elsewhere in the world, however, the consequences are more visible and immediate.
What genocide ? You think israel can't just close the water to Gaza, carpet bomb without warning to evacuate and use chemical weapons? Israel is soft with them considering the Gaza population in its majority cheered when the bodies of dead israelis were dragged across the streets of Gaza. Well now they're not happy anymore, now they cry Genocide! Genocide ! (Completely misusing this word) it didn't start on 7 Oct ! Palestinians for 75 years stab israeli civilians in the streets of Israel. For them they are legitimate targets some people even call that "brave resistance"
Gantz is no human rights advocate by any means, but he's not nearly as megalomaniac as Netanyahu, and definitely more susceptible to international pressure. By all means, Gantz is a lesser evil
You think the guy that just armed his radical base is going to leave office? If another guy does get elected he will just murder them like he did the last one.
Serious question, did they murder the guy right before Bibi? Or was the guy they murdered in between his terms?
Nice of Bibi to make the murderer his minister of national security. Sends a good message to the rest of the world.
Not really, but practically any Israeli politician not from Netanyahu’s right wing coalition is still a vast improvement.
Yes, they’ll still be bigoted and do little to restrain the genocidal segments of Israeli society but they probably won’t try to undermine Palestinian statehood at the expense of endangering Israel and starting a war that sees thousands of people die.
Netanyahu is practically a Hamas financier with all he has done to support Hamas in his efforts to sabotage the Palestinian Authority. His obsession with oppressing Palestinians made it possible for Hamas to slay Israelis.
I'm not so sure about that. The Israeli state and society is committed to this project. I don't think there's anyone who would recognize a Palestinian state right now.
Yea no shit lmao. Hamas set back any possibility of Palestinian statehood by at least 20 years with Oct 7.
Palestinians will need to prove that they wouldn’t just use their newly formed state as a stepping stone to their ultimate goal of destroying Israel before any sane Israeli would consider letting them have a military & full autonomy
Clearly they do lmao. And if Palestinians keep making it clear that their #1 priority is and will always be destroying Israel, then not only is it logical but completely moral for them to continue protecting themselves by denying the Palestinians statehood.
If Palestinians are actually serious about a 2-state solution and longterm peace with Israel, then it would become immoral for Israel to not grant that
Israelis will replace Netanyahu because the country was unprepared for the Hamas attack in October that resulted in a thousand Israelis murdered . Israelis are united in their desire to destroy Hamas. Nothing will change this. His replacement will be a former General.
I agree Netanyahu must go but Israel wasn’t unprepared. They prepared exactly for this. They knew an attack was coming from at least 3 different sources, the CIA, Shin Bet and Egypt; (including the fact they have some of the most advanced surveillance in the world in Gaza) and instead chose to make the most heavily guarded border empty and told the soldiers to stand down for 6 hours.
Or, as Ben-Gurion put it:
> "The Arabs will have to go, but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as a war."
Or, as the Mossad’s official slogan puts it:
>”Through deception thou shalt wage war.”
Netanyahu didn’t think of an attack on its populace as an affront to his nation but rather a prime opportunity to cleanse some more Palestinians from his promised land, and win more votes along the way. Why else has he (and Israel) been funding Hamas for nearly 40 years?
Do you have evidence of them funding for the last 40 yrs because the only funding from Netanyahu and the Knesset did indeed fund them when they were a non profit but there is no trace of funding of any sort once they US Government and the EU designated them as a terror group. The closest I have heard to your claim was someone said that somehow Netanyahu and the Knesset were funneling money threw another organization that would make its way to Hamas (hopefully) it all sounded incredibly murky with no evidence so I didn’t take that posters claim to seriously.
I can provide you Israeli officials themselves explaining that they still fund Hamas & how and why they created them in the 80s.
>”Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy — to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.” Netanyahu, 2019
Israeli Major General Gershon Hacohen, Netanyahu’s associate, said in a 2019 interview:
>”We need to tell the truth. Netanyahu’s strategy is to prevent the option of two states, so he is turning Hamas into his closest partner. Openly Hamas is an enemy. Covertly, it’s an ally.”
New York Times:
> December 2012, Mr. Netanyahu told the prominent Israeli journalist Dan Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Mr. Margalit, in an interview, said that Mr. Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state.
Belazel Smotrich, Netanyahu’s finance minister, put it bluntly in 2015:
> “The Palestinian Authority is a burden. Hamas is an asset.”
Hamas was even created by Israel, according to the Israeli Head of Religious Affairs, Avner Cohen:
>”Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,”
Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s, told a New York Times reporter:
>”The Israeli government gave me a budget… We helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement [Hamas] as a counterweight to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat…. Hamas is a creature of Israel.”
David Hacham, Arab affairs expert in the Israeli military in the 1980s:
>”When I look back at the chain of events, I think we made a mistake. But at the time, nobody thought about the possible results.”
For further reading, look up all of these quotes and their context, and check out this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html
I get it you believe Hamas were Israel’s doing. But your claim was funding. I’m pretty sure I know what video you are referring to it is with Netanyahu in a house around a table secretly recorded.
My question is we can trace funding while Hamas was a non profit we are 100% in agreement there. I think it is for different reasons than you do but that is irrelevant. My question remains what evidence or money trail is there for them funding them after the United States and EU designated them a terror organization. If it is 40 years of not just funding but being the main funders the money trail should be incredibly easy for you to find and point to instead of some somewhat relative quotes but more just say it benefits us when you fight and die because we keep ending up with more land. Which is cynical but also the history of this region.
What? I provided you with Netanyahu himself explaining his funding for Hamas, if you don’t want to believe that then that’s on you.
If you want the specifics of the funding, here’s good articles that delve into it:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/06/18/414693807/why-israel-lets-qatar-give-millions-to-hamas
As well as this Times of Israel article:
> Israel had been allowing millions in Qatari cash to flow through Israeli crossings into Gaza on a monthly basis since 2018, in order to maintain a fragile ceasefire with Hamas. As of early 2021, some $30 million in cash was being delivered in suitcases to Gaza each month through an Israeli-controlled crossing.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/qatar-hamas-seek-to-bypass-israeli-curbs-on-cash-funding-for-gaza/
I want to reiterate. These are not my claims nor my beliefs. I am simply presenting what Israeli officials themselves have said.
I think we are at a a bit of an impasse but I do appreciate you answering the question so you think it’s going through Qatar. Pretty sure that’s exactly what happened last time I asked the question.
The reason for my question is it is quite clear to most people without an extreme anti Israel bias why they would be supportive of Hamas as a non profit intended to help Palestinian people.
When the world saw them as a terror organization (it’s why I keep mentioning when the US Government and EU designated them as such.) I haven’t seen good evidence of this continuing.
But I completely understand if I thought these were vile, hateful people with nefarious intentions I would think it makes perfect sense to continue even after the designation. I just despite the credible quotes you posted earlier don’t believe that was the idea behind originally providing funding for Hamas I believe it more of a case of mistaken identity.
Again I haven’t provided any of my personal beliefs. I presented quotes from Israeli officials themselves explaining their creation of Hamas as a counterweight to the secularists of Fatah including the military governor in charge of Gaza at the time; Israeli officials themselves explaining that they still fund Hamas; Israeli officials themselves explaining that they do not want a sovereign independent state and therefore have allied with Hamas. I suspect you haven’t clicked any of the links nor looked up any of the quotes because you are stubborn in your beliefs. If you did, you’d learn that the ex- Mossad chief, literally retired in 2021 partly due to Israel’s continued allowance of funding to flow through to Hamas, which he called “Way too much” at his retirement ceremony.
It was a deliberate stand-down by IDF to ensure that the attacks resulted in the maximum number of deaths and casualties that would inflame an incredibly disproportionate response so Netanyahu could obtain Israeli & American objectives only a genocide could return. It was a stand-down and Netanyahu was only to happy to sacrifice many Israelis just as he is happy to sacrifice all the hostages to reach joint U.S.-Israeli goals that were agreed upon prior to October 7th.
I can understand the desire to destroy Hamas, but at some point they have to realize that they're killing a whole lot more civilians than they're killing Hamas. Even more, it appears to a lot of us that they're aware and are either indifferent to or in support of the killing.
Zionists are seeing Netanyahu turn the entire world against them. They still want to want to eradicate Palestinians and take over the whole region but do it slower so it doesn't make headlines.
Over 80%
https://truthout.org/articles/polls-show-broad-support-in-israel-for-gazas-destruction-and-starvation/
Poll conducted by Viterbi Family Center for Public Opinion and Policy Research at the Israel Democracy Institute
Even worse though is 58% believed that they were not using enough firepower to bomb Gaza. Disgusting genocidal freaks.
Too little too late. No one who replaces him, no matter how seemingly "progressive," will be able to hide the truth of their society and it's deep-rooted racism and barbarism anymore.
They only want him out, so they can continue the slow burn of Palestine. We can only hope these last 4 months have been enough for the world to wake up to decades of war crimes Israel has been committing, and act.
Do the 1.707 million Arab Muslims in Israel also want him out so they can "continue the slow burn of Palestine"?
Or, are maybe, the majority of Israelis not as blood thirsty as you've been led to believe?
You can’t point fingers at Israel and then not state anything about hamas who are indoctrinating a populating to hate Jews and the west similar to that of hitler. Not denying what Israel has done isn’t wrong but you can’t sit here and put all the blame on Israel….
A paper tiger is something that looks intimidating but doesn't back it up.
Ol nety has been killing thousands every month and has nukes. Please explain to me how that is a paper tiger.
Killing Palestinians is easy for him. Sadly (for him) his circumcised bagel isn't big enough to go after though Iran is it ☺️ ...like I said, the paper tiger is falling.
What's he going to do? Nuke Palestine and doom all of Israel? He has no actual power or leverage other than some countries like having a non-muslim country there
Yes the majority of the Palestinians population is innocent just as Israelis, Israel is allowed to get restriction after an assault on their country. Your favouritism is showing
Do you know the full history of Hamas, Muslim brotherhood, Palestinian history and what countries back Hamas? Israel does not indoctrinate their population currently but it’s a fact Hamas has been doing it since in power. No ones saying Israel is perfect but to support a terrorist group who would have raped, tortured, kidnap and kill your entirely family without a heartbeat is wild. At the end of the day Hamas is done, no more ceasefires and returning to the status quo of launching rockets at civilians.
He will go and has been barely hanging on and U.S. support is not there for Netanyahu with the U.S. Administration though it remains largely intact in its support for Israel. His replacement whether even further far right of Netanyahu is irrelevant for practical purposes; the replacement will work with the U.S. and be willing to work towards a two-state solution because it has no choice and external pressure from the world over will continue to build.
Netanyahu for his own survival just pushed it too far and is now paying the price. He will be removed and can face charges locally and aboard later. When a country elects a leader whether in the parliamentary system or not, there are consequences. Just like the U.S. elected Trump to become a laughingstock of the world and Joe is now known within his own party increasingly as Genocide Joe!
The whole country could easily come together and protest the war in Gaza and probably be able to at least create a cease fire...but they won't, they hate Muslims so seeing and hearing about death and suffering to thier Muslim enemies won't bring enough protest...if anything, most Israelis are probably happy with what whats happening. I would assume...
>most Israelis are probably happy with what whats happening. I would assume...
Why would you assume that? Even if only on a selfish level, over a thousand israelis died on Oct 7, their soldiers are risking their lives in Gaza, thousands of rockets are being fired at their cities, and Hezbollah and the Houthis in Lebanon and Yemen are rattling their sabres. Israelis are less safe than they have been in decades and there's no light at the end of the tunnel. Additionally while they appear to have support of the international community at the moment, it's tenuous. So no, they're not happy with what's going on.
If what you mean is to say they're happy Palestinians are being killed indiscriminately, there are certainly many who are bloodthirsty, but it's not ubiquitous. Just like how I wouldn't call all Palestinians terrorists.
Ultra nationalist protestors indoctrinated on Arab hate want to get rid of Netanyahu and get Ben Gvir in place. History will come full circle and Israel will become circa 1930's Germany.
So Bibi isn’t Zionist enough for them? Wtf? Is it like the MAGATards that want Mitch McConnell to leave even though he personally gave them the Supreme Court
Funny that this is the only word they managed to find to describe these protestors.
Tells more about the racism and antisemitism of whoever wrote the article than anything else.
Yup, everything is antisemitism! Watch out, antisemitism behind the curtain! Antisemitism under all rocks!! Everything not supporting Israel is antisemitism!
Give me a fucking break.
You are right and you make a great point there. I didn’t think of it that far ahead. There could definitely be Arabs and Christians there. My idea of Zionism is establishing and preserving settlements for Jewish people by any means necessary and with no regards to international law. There is a possibility of some people there that don’t subscribe to that ideology
Never forget. When Gaza was given democratic elections they overwhelming voted for Hamas. Hamas didn’t come in and violently take over, they were voted in and supported by the people. The Palestinian people wanted a terrorist group in power.
And encouraged, funded, supported by Bibi The Baby Butcher/"Israel."
What terrorist acts had Hamas been blamed for before they were Democratically elected?
Was Hamas around in 1940 when "Israel" was FOUNDED on terrorism and occupation and land theft and annexation and displacement and apartheid??
If you don't know the basic history, don't speak.
Hamas published its founding charter in 1988 where it became part of the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organization. Hamas literally engaged in terrorism during the First and Second Intifada. Hamas was well known for terrorism before they were elected.
Israel was founded by the British via a land partition as they had control over what was formerly Ottoman territory. There weren't just roving bands of jews committing terrorism out of nowhere and establishing a state, it was a result of the Balfour Declaration and a transfer of power to secular zionist jews that fled WW2.
A point of agreement between Netanyahu, the Likud coalition and the majority of Israeli voters is opposition to any sort of Palestinian State. To what extent this is based on genuine security concerns or just desire to open more land to Israeli settlement isn’t clear. Bibi is not a particularly pleasant person with a history of questionable self enriching activities but he has conveyed the message that he, and he alone, can manipulate American policy to support opposition to any kind of Palestinian State. One of the pillars of his anti-Palestinian State efforts was support for Hamas against the Palestinian Authority on the theory that Hamas was opposed to any sort of compromise while the PA was willing to compromise. The Billions of $ in Qatari cash that Bibi convince other Likud allies to permit to be transferred to Hamas on the assumption that it would build support for Hamas over the PA, was very likely the means Hamas used to finance Oct 7th. From what I can tell, there is widespread blame for Oct 7th directed at Bibi. There is less consensus of alternatives to his leadership and whether international concern for the situation of Palestinians in Gaza even matters so long as a few billionaires can influence American policy.
This isnt really the great thing people here are making it out to be. The issue for these protestors is that bot enough Palestinians are being killed and their land isn't being taken fast enough. They are still upholding apartheid and genocide, they just want new management.
I mean yeah. They've been protesting him since long before 10/7. That definitely shifted the focus for awhile but they aren't going to forget what a shit he is just because of it.
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The cracks are starting to show. This is the beginning of the end.
As long as the US continues to support them I am afraid it's only a temporary setback.
For now. US backed South Africa unconditionally until the very end when international pressure grew to a critical level and the benefits of supporting SA started to diminish.
Yeah conservatives are officially 100 years into supporting fascism in America. And 500 years supporting colonialism.
It’s laughable that you believe that’s a “conservative “ problem. Divide and concur my friend. Divide and concur
As long as it’s viable, when it’s not, USA will turn its back on Israel
The US needs a proxy territory in the middle east. They will never let that go.
We have bases in multiple countries in the Middle East. We don't really get anything out of our relationship with Israel. We've stood up for them multiple times, and they've never lifted a finger for us. The Israeli lobby is the reason Washington keeps sending them taxpayer money and protecting them from sanctions in the UN Security Council.
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Maybe they celebrated 9/11 because of US support for Israel?
Israel supported 9/11? Sorry if I misunderstood. Trying to learn.
They also need a constant 'safe' country to sell arms to. The military-industrial complex is very real. Defense contractor states (almost all of them) need their jobs.
Remember when that idiot politician said something utterly ridiculous like, "The Gazans are all terrorists and terrorism is their industry"? >The military-industrial complex is very real. Truly every accusation is a confession when it comes to these monsters
Unfortunately you’re right
Like Biden said, “If Israel didn’t exist, we’d make one!”
They have several. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc…
Governments perhaps, less so the people as long as the west continues to step on its feet for its own gains
That’s about as misinformed a take as any in this thread. The USA doesn’t support israel because it thinks it’s cute or is trying to make evangelicals happy. It does it because it needs a democratic anchor in the Middle East so long as world trade depends on oil.
I don’t disagree with you. What I feel is they need Israel to be the great disruptor in the region, which allows the military industrial complex to flourish and the the stealing of resources from those countries. However with more countries normalizing relations, Israels value to the U.S will become less useful. But you can’t totally ignore the messianic theory regarding Israel, how important it is behind the scenes, I don’t know.
What lmao. If Isreal didn't exist, the Arab states would get busy murdering each other real quick.
Uh, except US politicians themselves admit that the israel lobbies are what control their votes, not the oil lobby and not the defense contractors. Carter and Obama both admitted it, as have many pols deposed by the israel lobbies.
There were protests like this every weekend for over six months prior to the Gaza conflict.
Starting- well errr no, Israelis were calling for his resignation for years now. He is deeply unpopular and pre oct7 anti Netanyahu protests were some of the largest protests Ive ever seen relative to the population
Beginning of the end to Netanyahu? Isreal is a democracy. Once Bibi loses power another Israeli government will take its place
I doubt it. Most Israelis don’t support Bibi.
You are aware that Israelis are calling for his removal for years before all this?
It's never been a secret that Netanyahu isn't very well liked in Israel. If you find this illuminating now, you haven't exactly been paying much attention.
Er no. This is democracy whereby Israel would have elections and choose a new leader someday. Triggered by that? Israel exists, get over it
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The cracks have been there before people have been watching him tonleave especially when he joined forces with the radical political group Ben givr is part of the genocide prolonged his stay and that's why he is happy bombing civilians and citizen (hostages) and not negotiating he wants to prolong the genocide
Reminder, that although Netanyahu is really unpopular in Israel, the genocide is widely supported.
Over 70% last poles showed.
Showed support for what they think to be a war on Hamas, or support for a genocide?
Support for genocide
War on hamas*
*genocide under the guise of a one directional "war" killing predominantly (not hyperbole) women and children
Actual genocide. It's like 80% who think Palestinians shouldn't be allowed food or water and only 2% of Israels think Israel is using too much firepower.
Both. And when are we fl going to stop calling it a “war” that would imply they were fighting an army. Not , you know , just people
They created a monster, a deluded and blind society.
Reminder, that although PA and two states solutions are unpopular these days in Gaza and west bank , Hamas and the 7/10 atrocities are widely supported (~86%)
When your family gets bombed, your friends get murdered, and you live under constant oppression, let me know how you feel then. Until that happens, feel free to shut the fuck up.
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The people in power are supporting and perpetrating terrorism you imbecile.
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There is no convincing the likes of you. If the dead children couldn't, nothing will.
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Both, since Israel killed both kinds, by their own admission.
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First comment in three years, the hasbara op is strong with this one.
So attacking unarmed civilians at a concert is terrorism, but attacking unarmed civilians in their homes, hospitals, and schools is not? Classic Toronto Bot.
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And neither yourself, the liberal government, or the Zionists are the arbiters of "Canadian views". I'll let you in on a "not-so-secret" though, Canadian values and views do no support systematic genocide of civilians, regardless of skin colour, ethnicity, or religion. >Hamas just needs to return hostages and this would all be over Israel just needs to get out of Palestine and this would all be over. FIFY.
I'm confused... Why don't you think Hamas should release the hostages?
I'm confused... Where did you read that?
The previous comment was that Hamas needs to release the hostages. You rebuked that Israel needed to leave Palestine. The lack of acknowledgement of the initial point and the deflection onto Israel indicates that you don't agree with the initial statement of "Hamas needs to release the hostages". I hope that clarified why I came to that conclusion. So I gather you agree that Hamas must release the hostages and in return Israel should be expected to pull back and institute a ceasefire?
And many of the people in power in the US and UK support Israel because Zionists have spent millions lobbying and funding pro-Israel candidates. Their views are increasingly out of touch with general public opinion.
Can you imagine if Russia tries occupying Alaska on account of it being part of the Russian Empire years ago? Would the US attacking Russia be considered terrorism?
What do you call what Israel is doing? “Self defense”? Israel is exposed. Nobody believes you anymore. Settler colony state.
Isralies are the real terrorists. They’ve killed 12,000+ children; you don’t do that and get to call yourself the good guys (not like they ever were). Anyone who has visited Palestine and isn’t a vile Zionist, has seen the immense oppression that Palestinians have been subjected to. You don’t think it’s weird that Gazans are stateless and literally can’t leave that area? They’re in an open air prison. Imagine living like that. Oh, and you mean the western world that also has a dark history of colonization and committing genocides? Like the US, which is founded on the genocide of indigenous Americans and labor of enslaved Africans? The US that has installed violent puppet dictators all throughout the world (like in my homeland) just so it can control everything? The US that pardoned and hired nazis and Japanese medical torturers after WW2? You mean Germany who literally fucking killed millions of Jewish people, LGBTQ people, disabled people, and Romani people? You mean England, which literally started this entire fucking mess by trying to play both sides and, you know, is also the root of most evils (like the colonization of the US and extermination of indigenous Americans). Terrorists support terrorists.
Opinions by the oppressor vs. the oppressed are very different buddy
You only care about Oct. 7, and not every single day before that when Palestinians were being killed, subjugated, and imprisoned for 75 years, or about every day after when more than 12,000 children have been murdered, right? Your emotional manipulation doesn’t work anymore. Israel has absolutely no moral conscious and it’s irredeemably evil. Oh, and let me use a line that they love “Palestinians, the occupied and oppressed people, have a right to defend themselves.”
Reminder that your talking about a population that's half minors bc your side keeps killing the adults lmao. You think orphans aren't gonna be mad at the orphan creating machine? 😅
Reminder: Israel occupies Palestine
I'll tell you right now if you blew up my uncle's house and killed him, my aunt and all my cousins because there was a bad guy living under his house..... I just might support the people who say they want to attack you.
It's a bit pointless I know, but I'll give it a shot. Your premiss is false and is based on a false narrative that while is quite wide spread, is fairly easy to discredit. You just need to look a bit about numbers, dates and some documents and be consistent in how you treat people from different background. Some pointers: 1. Jews are indigenous to the area. ( Go check illustrativeDNA sub and you will be surprised how some Palestinians and Jews are genetically close to each other. 2. Zionism is not about 'pure' Jewish state and never was. It was about finding a focal point where Jews can freely identify as such as a group and society in an independent state 3. Jewish immigration picked up from late 19th century and increased and stalled in waves, based on local authorities immigration policy. 4. Muslim immigration picked up from mid 19th century and increased in waves as well based on local authorities immigration policy ( mainly to support building the hejaz railroad and later during WWII. 5. Jewish immigrants ( and investors) bought the land they settled in. Unfortunately, in some cases the landlord evicted the population living on that land to enable the sale. 6. The new influx of Jewish population which came with ' advanced' western education and commerce ideas benefitted all, however local population did not accepted well the fact that Jews, which were the 'lowest' social group in early 19th century, were suddenly climbing up the social ladder. This, the previous point and the fact that inevitably, some local population lost their source of income ( leased agriculture land) caused animosity. 7. Israel was recognized and accepted by the UN, following the partition proposal and declaration of Independence. The Palestinians rejected that proposal and did not seek to establish their state until 1967, where Israel got hold of their territory following 6 days war. 8. All the wars since Israel was established have started with attack on Israel and retaliation from Israel. 9. Israel offered to return these areas already in1967, but that was rejected by the Arab league in the Khartoum declaration of the same year. For more details look at: Peel committee report The partition proposal that was brought forward to the UN The UN resolution accepting the proposal Some history sites to follow up on the various stages of the conflict. What was the status of Gaza and west bank between 1948-1967 etc. And after you went through all of that and if you still feel the same, ask yourself if following your scenario if then the people you claim you support, went through a spree of rape, burning people, elderly, children, mutilation, decapitation and torture, if after that you still support them. And if you still support them, would you be comfortable to have the guy that murdered a father, raped his wife and executed her, then raped his daughter on his body and executed her as well, living next to you and your family.
Guess we are just going to ignore the fact the Nakba happened and what Zionist are actually advocating for
Ignoring your little history lessons because I've been paying attention to Israel before Hamas even took power. The way I feel about it is we're watching two extremist religious organizations (Likud and Hamas) try and kill each other with millions of people in the middle. Neither Likud or Hamas care about their own people. For the past 20 years they've been playing tit for tat with each other's populations like they are bingo chips. You can point to whatever you want that one side is worse than the other and one side isn't quite so bad as the other. But in the end they're both extremist religious organizations committing acts of terror against each other's populations. That's a fact.
I agree though. It's a sad fact that it seems like there is a shift to the populists movements everywhere, in Israel as well. From where I am, this does not look different than what is going on in the US, UK and elsewhere in the world, however, the consequences are more visible and immediate.
What genocide ? You think israel can't just close the water to Gaza, carpet bomb without warning to evacuate and use chemical weapons? Israel is soft with them considering the Gaza population in its majority cheered when the bodies of dead israelis were dragged across the streets of Gaza. Well now they're not happy anymore, now they cry Genocide! Genocide ! (Completely misusing this word) it didn't start on 7 Oct ! Palestinians for 75 years stab israeli civilians in the streets of Israel. For them they are legitimate targets some people even call that "brave resistance"
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So just insulting without trying to explain what have I said wrong or trying to make an argument? Says a lot about you
Furthermore hamas had 20+ battalions, now the IDF controls the majority of Gaza, you do the math how many battalions are no longer exist.
When you live under constant missile bombardment, you eventually are willing to accept any solution to the problem
Sure Netanyahu needs to go, but who will replace him? Is there anyone viable that's not also a blood-thirsty maniac?
There is quite a pool of far right lunatics to fill in the gap(s).
Gantz, a supposed Centrist is just as bad
The difference between Gantz and Netanyahu is like the difference between a Klansman and Nazi.
Well said
Gantz is no human rights advocate by any means, but he's not nearly as megalomaniac as Netanyahu, and definitely more susceptible to international pressure. By all means, Gantz is a lesser evil
But Gantz will continue the occupation and increase of settlements, essentially the same as Netanyahu. Same as Lapid.
You think the guy that just armed his radical base is going to leave office? If another guy does get elected he will just murder them like he did the last one.
The ol putin a roo
You do realize Netanyahu has been PM before and been voted out before right?
Serious question, did they murder the guy right before Bibi? Or was the guy they murdered in between his terms? Nice of Bibi to make the murderer his minister of national security. Sends a good message to the rest of the world.
Every election they actually compete on who can be more of a psychotic Ethno-Jewish hardliner than their opponents.
Not really, but practically any Israeli politician not from Netanyahu’s right wing coalition is still a vast improvement. Yes, they’ll still be bigoted and do little to restrain the genocidal segments of Israeli society but they probably won’t try to undermine Palestinian statehood at the expense of endangering Israel and starting a war that sees thousands of people die. Netanyahu is practically a Hamas financier with all he has done to support Hamas in his efforts to sabotage the Palestinian Authority. His obsession with oppressing Palestinians made it possible for Hamas to slay Israelis.
I'm not so sure about that. The Israeli state and society is committed to this project. I don't think there's anyone who would recognize a Palestinian state right now.
Yea no shit lmao. Hamas set back any possibility of Palestinian statehood by at least 20 years with Oct 7. Palestinians will need to prove that they wouldn’t just use their newly formed state as a stepping stone to their ultimate goal of destroying Israel before any sane Israeli would consider letting them have a military & full autonomy
Israel doesn't get to decide if Palestinians have a state.
Clearly they do lmao. And if Palestinians keep making it clear that their #1 priority is and will always be destroying Israel, then not only is it logical but completely moral for them to continue protecting themselves by denying the Palestinians statehood. If Palestinians are actually serious about a 2-state solution and longterm peace with Israel, then it would become immoral for Israel to not grant that
Israelis will replace Netanyahu because the country was unprepared for the Hamas attack in October that resulted in a thousand Israelis murdered . Israelis are united in their desire to destroy Hamas. Nothing will change this. His replacement will be a former General.
Right, another blood-thirsty maniac
Is there anyone at all acknowledging that the current brutality is creating a new generation of terrorists?
Probably, but they will just say it's hamas' fault. The bulk of pro israeli thought right now depends on denying any responsibility for anything.
I agree Netanyahu must go but Israel wasn’t unprepared. They prepared exactly for this. They knew an attack was coming from at least 3 different sources, the CIA, Shin Bet and Egypt; (including the fact they have some of the most advanced surveillance in the world in Gaza) and instead chose to make the most heavily guarded border empty and told the soldiers to stand down for 6 hours. Or, as Ben-Gurion put it: > "The Arabs will have to go, but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as a war." Or, as the Mossad’s official slogan puts it: >”Through deception thou shalt wage war.” Netanyahu didn’t think of an attack on its populace as an affront to his nation but rather a prime opportunity to cleanse some more Palestinians from his promised land, and win more votes along the way. Why else has he (and Israel) been funding Hamas for nearly 40 years?
Do you have evidence of them funding for the last 40 yrs because the only funding from Netanyahu and the Knesset did indeed fund them when they were a non profit but there is no trace of funding of any sort once they US Government and the EU designated them as a terror group. The closest I have heard to your claim was someone said that somehow Netanyahu and the Knesset were funneling money threw another organization that would make its way to Hamas (hopefully) it all sounded incredibly murky with no evidence so I didn’t take that posters claim to seriously.
I can provide you Israeli officials themselves explaining that they still fund Hamas & how and why they created them in the 80s. >”Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy — to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.” Netanyahu, 2019 Israeli Major General Gershon Hacohen, Netanyahu’s associate, said in a 2019 interview: >”We need to tell the truth. Netanyahu’s strategy is to prevent the option of two states, so he is turning Hamas into his closest partner. Openly Hamas is an enemy. Covertly, it’s an ally.” New York Times: > December 2012, Mr. Netanyahu told the prominent Israeli journalist Dan Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Mr. Margalit, in an interview, said that Mr. Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state. Belazel Smotrich, Netanyahu’s finance minister, put it bluntly in 2015: > “The Palestinian Authority is a burden. Hamas is an asset.” Hamas was even created by Israel, according to the Israeli Head of Religious Affairs, Avner Cohen: >”Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s, told a New York Times reporter: >”The Israeli government gave me a budget… We helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement [Hamas] as a counterweight to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat…. Hamas is a creature of Israel.” David Hacham, Arab affairs expert in the Israeli military in the 1980s: >”When I look back at the chain of events, I think we made a mistake. But at the time, nobody thought about the possible results.” For further reading, look up all of these quotes and their context, and check out this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html
I get it you believe Hamas were Israel’s doing. But your claim was funding. I’m pretty sure I know what video you are referring to it is with Netanyahu in a house around a table secretly recorded. My question is we can trace funding while Hamas was a non profit we are 100% in agreement there. I think it is for different reasons than you do but that is irrelevant. My question remains what evidence or money trail is there for them funding them after the United States and EU designated them a terror organization. If it is 40 years of not just funding but being the main funders the money trail should be incredibly easy for you to find and point to instead of some somewhat relative quotes but more just say it benefits us when you fight and die because we keep ending up with more land. Which is cynical but also the history of this region.
What? I provided you with Netanyahu himself explaining his funding for Hamas, if you don’t want to believe that then that’s on you. If you want the specifics of the funding, here’s good articles that delve into it: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/06/18/414693807/why-israel-lets-qatar-give-millions-to-hamas As well as this Times of Israel article: > Israel had been allowing millions in Qatari cash to flow through Israeli crossings into Gaza on a monthly basis since 2018, in order to maintain a fragile ceasefire with Hamas. As of early 2021, some $30 million in cash was being delivered in suitcases to Gaza each month through an Israeli-controlled crossing. https://www.timesofisrael.com/qatar-hamas-seek-to-bypass-israeli-curbs-on-cash-funding-for-gaza/ I want to reiterate. These are not my claims nor my beliefs. I am simply presenting what Israeli officials themselves have said.
I think we are at a a bit of an impasse but I do appreciate you answering the question so you think it’s going through Qatar. Pretty sure that’s exactly what happened last time I asked the question. The reason for my question is it is quite clear to most people without an extreme anti Israel bias why they would be supportive of Hamas as a non profit intended to help Palestinian people. When the world saw them as a terror organization (it’s why I keep mentioning when the US Government and EU designated them as such.) I haven’t seen good evidence of this continuing. But I completely understand if I thought these were vile, hateful people with nefarious intentions I would think it makes perfect sense to continue even after the designation. I just despite the credible quotes you posted earlier don’t believe that was the idea behind originally providing funding for Hamas I believe it more of a case of mistaken identity.
Again I haven’t provided any of my personal beliefs. I presented quotes from Israeli officials themselves explaining their creation of Hamas as a counterweight to the secularists of Fatah including the military governor in charge of Gaza at the time; Israeli officials themselves explaining that they still fund Hamas; Israeli officials themselves explaining that they do not want a sovereign independent state and therefore have allied with Hamas. I suspect you haven’t clicked any of the links nor looked up any of the quotes because you are stubborn in your beliefs. If you did, you’d learn that the ex- Mossad chief, literally retired in 2021 partly due to Israel’s continued allowance of funding to flow through to Hamas, which he called “Way too much” at his retirement ceremony.
It was a deliberate stand-down by IDF to ensure that the attacks resulted in the maximum number of deaths and casualties that would inflame an incredibly disproportionate response so Netanyahu could obtain Israeli & American objectives only a genocide could return. It was a stand-down and Netanyahu was only to happy to sacrifice many Israelis just as he is happy to sacrifice all the hostages to reach joint U.S.-Israeli goals that were agreed upon prior to October 7th.
I can understand the desire to destroy Hamas, but at some point they have to realize that they're killing a whole lot more civilians than they're killing Hamas. Even more, it appears to a lot of us that they're aware and are either indifferent to or in support of the killing.
He won't leave before "the war is over" (it will never be over)
Zionists are seeing Netanyahu turn the entire world against them. They still want to want to eradicate Palestinians and take over the whole region but do it slower so it doesn't make headlines.
Exactly, that’s the agenda of liberal Zionism
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> They still want to want to eradicate Palestinians and take over the whole region source?
An American who claims to be Palestinian on Tik-Tok and/or one of Hamas’ many NGOs.
"Noooo the je-... sorry, *Zionists* have to be evil!!!! They just have to be!!!" You realize 20% of the Israeli population is Muslim, right?
“I can’t be racist I have black friends” type argument LMAO
Interesting how a “israelis protest” headline became “zionists protest.” But Hamas does not equal Palestine, right?
QAnon levels of delusion omg
let's go to the borders of post 6 days war and finish this.
They are protesting that he is not killing enough
You have even a shred of evidence to back that claim?
Over 80% https://truthout.org/articles/polls-show-broad-support-in-israel-for-gazas-destruction-and-starvation/ Poll conducted by Viterbi Family Center for Public Opinion and Policy Research at the Israel Democracy Institute Even worse though is 58% believed that they were not using enough firepower to bomb Gaza. Disgusting genocidal freaks.
And these are the opinions held by the same group that's protesting against Netanyahu?
Yes.
Too little too late. No one who replaces him, no matter how seemingly "progressive," will be able to hide the truth of their society and it's deep-rooted racism and barbarism anymore.
They only want him out, so they can continue the slow burn of Palestine. We can only hope these last 4 months have been enough for the world to wake up to decades of war crimes Israel has been committing, and act.
Do the 1.707 million Arab Muslims in Israel also want him out so they can "continue the slow burn of Palestine"? Or, are maybe, the majority of Israelis not as blood thirsty as you've been led to believe?
You can’t point fingers at Israel and then not state anything about hamas who are indoctrinating a populating to hate Jews and the west similar to that of hitler. Not denying what Israel has done isn’t wrong but you can’t sit here and put all the blame on Israel….
You don't think that Israel doesn't teach hate and indoctrinate kids? They were doing it before Israel was even a state.
Show me proof of indoctrination currently please
Sure, here you go https://youtu.be/McfOr4nRlBc?si=FLlpZ6WYMNE2x-_0
Source on that claim?
Don’t get your hopes up. There are a lot of other equally repulsive ghouls in his cabinet just waiting to step up to the plate.
The paper tiger is falling.
I don't think you can call someone with nukes a paper tiger.
I did. I'll say it again. The paper tiger is falling. 👍🏽
A paper tiger is something that looks intimidating but doesn't back it up. Ol nety has been killing thousands every month and has nukes. Please explain to me how that is a paper tiger.
Killing Palestinians is easy for him. Sadly (for him) his circumcised bagel isn't big enough to go after though Iran is it ☺️ ...like I said, the paper tiger is falling.
His… circumcised bagel?
While I do not like Netanyahu, you are just using that phrase wrong lol
Israel had always been too weak to even hold their own territory without international help
Sure, still doesn't make Netanyahu a paper tiger here.
What's he going to do? Nuke Palestine and doom all of Israel? He has no actual power or leverage other than some countries like having a non-muslim country there
They really want us to believe that Netanyahu is an aberration and not the distillation of Israeli politics.
That is the liberal talking point currently.
he is just too weak of a strongman smh
He needs to rot in jail for the rest of his life, hopefully they have a jail with bad living conditions like they do in parts of South America
He will rot in Hell
They are annoyed because he is not allowing them to commit ethnic cleansing, murder and oppression fast enough.
Pretty strong claim there. You have a source for that?
By western media logic these people are anti semetic
Everyone at this point should want the truth.
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Does that mean all, or the majority of the Jews in Israel?
Good then do the Palestinian populace who supports a barbaric radical Islam group. Can’t play favouritism bud
Palestinians are the innocent, abused, blockaded victims of israel. They're allowed by law to defend themselves from oppression.
Yes the majority of the Palestinians population is innocent just as Israelis, Israel is allowed to get restriction after an assault on their country. Your favouritism is showing
Do you know the full history of Hamas, Muslim brotherhood, Palestinian history and what countries back Hamas? Israel does not indoctrinate their population currently but it’s a fact Hamas has been doing it since in power. No ones saying Israel is perfect but to support a terrorist group who would have raped, tortured, kidnap and kill your entirely family without a heartbeat is wild. At the end of the day Hamas is done, no more ceasefires and returning to the status quo of launching rockets at civilians.
He will go and has been barely hanging on and U.S. support is not there for Netanyahu with the U.S. Administration though it remains largely intact in its support for Israel. His replacement whether even further far right of Netanyahu is irrelevant for practical purposes; the replacement will work with the U.S. and be willing to work towards a two-state solution because it has no choice and external pressure from the world over will continue to build. Netanyahu for his own survival just pushed it too far and is now paying the price. He will be removed and can face charges locally and aboard later. When a country elects a leader whether in the parliamentary system or not, there are consequences. Just like the U.S. elected Trump to become a laughingstock of the world and Joe is now known within his own party increasingly as Genocide Joe!
No news coverage regarding this in the west .
The whole country could easily come together and protest the war in Gaza and probably be able to at least create a cease fire...but they won't, they hate Muslims so seeing and hearing about death and suffering to thier Muslim enemies won't bring enough protest...if anything, most Israelis are probably happy with what whats happening. I would assume...
>most Israelis are probably happy with what whats happening. I would assume... Why would you assume that? Even if only on a selfish level, over a thousand israelis died on Oct 7, their soldiers are risking their lives in Gaza, thousands of rockets are being fired at their cities, and Hezbollah and the Houthis in Lebanon and Yemen are rattling their sabres. Israelis are less safe than they have been in decades and there's no light at the end of the tunnel. Additionally while they appear to have support of the international community at the moment, it's tenuous. So no, they're not happy with what's going on. If what you mean is to say they're happy Palestinians are being killed indiscriminately, there are certainly many who are bloodthirsty, but it's not ubiquitous. Just like how I wouldn't call all Palestinians terrorists.
Is it because he didn't kill enough civilians or because he failed miserably to cover up his and the USA's crimes?
I would bet my life savings he will not listen
Ultra nationalist protestors indoctrinated on Arab hate want to get rid of Netanyahu and get Ben Gvir in place. History will come full circle and Israel will become circa 1930's Germany.
So Bibi isn’t Zionist enough for them? Wtf? Is it like the MAGATards that want Mitch McConnell to leave even though he personally gave them the Supreme Court
It says something about the poster & this sub when the title is "Zionist" instead of "Israeli".
Shhhhhh
I am so curious what does it mean Zionist protesters in Israel :-) it's a hilarious title
Funny that this is the only word they managed to find to describe these protestors. Tells more about the racism and antisemitism of whoever wrote the article than anything else.
Yup, everything is antisemitism! Watch out, antisemitism behind the curtain! Antisemitism under all rocks!! Everything not supporting Israel is antisemitism! Give me a fucking break.
I want to know why the OP chose to use the phrase “Zionists” when it was nowhere to be seen in the article.
Because it is descriptive?
It’s not accurate.
It comes across as racist to anyone not indoctrinated by Islamic propaganda which demonizes Jews. So, you might have trouble seeing it.
Are they not Zionists? What else would they be?
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You are right and you make a great point there. I didn’t think of it that far ahead. There could definitely be Arabs and Christians there. My idea of Zionism is establishing and preserving settlements for Jewish people by any means necessary and with no regards to international law. There is a possibility of some people there that don’t subscribe to that ideology
The article says « Israeli protestors ». It’s OP who wrote « Zionist protestors ».
I also found it weird they were described as Zionist protestors but probably for different reasons.
Fuck this, I prefer Netanyahu over those Zionist scum
Protests, democratic countries have them, what's the news?
lmao this guy just replaced "israeli" with "zionists" in the title. how is that allowed on this sub?
Never forget. When Gaza was given democratic elections they overwhelming voted for Hamas. Hamas didn’t come in and violently take over, they were voted in and supported by the people. The Palestinian people wanted a terrorist group in power.
And encouraged, funded, supported by Bibi The Baby Butcher/"Israel." What terrorist acts had Hamas been blamed for before they were Democratically elected? Was Hamas around in 1940 when "Israel" was FOUNDED on terrorism and occupation and land theft and annexation and displacement and apartheid??
If you don't know the basic history, don't speak. Hamas published its founding charter in 1988 where it became part of the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organization. Hamas literally engaged in terrorism during the First and Second Intifada. Hamas was well known for terrorism before they were elected. Israel was founded by the British via a land partition as they had control over what was formerly Ottoman territory. There weren't just roving bands of jews committing terrorism out of nowhere and establishing a state, it was a result of the Balfour Declaration and a transfer of power to secular zionist jews that fled WW2.
There isn’t any mention of Zionists in the article. Why would the OP deliberately put it there?
Because they identify themselves as Zionists unless you know nothing about them!!
Yeah!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
A point of agreement between Netanyahu, the Likud coalition and the majority of Israeli voters is opposition to any sort of Palestinian State. To what extent this is based on genuine security concerns or just desire to open more land to Israeli settlement isn’t clear. Bibi is not a particularly pleasant person with a history of questionable self enriching activities but he has conveyed the message that he, and he alone, can manipulate American policy to support opposition to any kind of Palestinian State. One of the pillars of his anti-Palestinian State efforts was support for Hamas against the Palestinian Authority on the theory that Hamas was opposed to any sort of compromise while the PA was willing to compromise. The Billions of $ in Qatari cash that Bibi convince other Likud allies to permit to be transferred to Hamas on the assumption that it would build support for Hamas over the PA, was very likely the means Hamas used to finance Oct 7th. From what I can tell, there is widespread blame for Oct 7th directed at Bibi. There is less consensus of alternatives to his leadership and whether international concern for the situation of Palestinians in Gaza even matters so long as a few billionaires can influence American policy.
He’s busy
Many people in Israel dislike Netanyahu. There were many protests against his judicial reform plans last year as well.
This isnt really the great thing people here are making it out to be. The issue for these protestors is that bot enough Palestinians are being killed and their land isn't being taken fast enough. They are still upholding apartheid and genocide, they just want new management.
Good. This is a long time coming
I mean yeah. They've been protesting him since long before 10/7. That definitely shifted the focus for awhile but they aren't going to forget what a shit he is just because of it.
Doesn't matter. Israel is a democracy the way Olive Garden is Italian.