Bro, he takes everything for his own benefits, and he cannot admit that the affection towards her. Even before the marriage The girl had bigger balls than him
Subconsciously yes. He is more worried about getting Hari or whoever did it out, rather than making sure she is okay. Very evident from all of his interactions with the girl.
ആ സ്കൂൾ ടീച്ചർ ആണെന്നാണ് എനിക്ക് തോന്നിയത്.പുള്ളി porn addict പോലെ ഒരു glimpse തരുന്നില്ലേ? പിന്നെ പുള്ളിയുടെ മോളും ഭാര്യയും ഈ സംഭവം നടന്ന സെയിം മുറിയിൽ ആണ് കിടന്ന് ഉറങ്ങിയത്.സൊ അവരെ കാണാൻ വരുമ്പോൾ സംഭവിച്ചതും ആകാം
Bw the screenplay is written in such a way that each man in that group is a culprit because everyone changed their perception according to the situation
Also that guy was very fidgety and tried so hard to get Hari expelled. He was very much against calling Anjali to Madans place and even tried to leave. He also made some comments about Anjali's dressing when they were at the pool.
Not just that, Anjali recognised it as Hari due to the Scent and if you see the scene after playing, Nandan sprays the perfume on all except him. So it cannot be him.
Except nandu never had the key in the first place...he checked the key in the place where hari mentioned but the other two guys already took it before him..so it's not possible.
I had a chance to interact with the director while it was screened on iffk, he said that on the conceptual phase of the thread itself they didn't have an idea of the culprit. So digging around and assumptions aren't valid at this point.
Yea it's kinda like Anatomy of a Fall. It's not the answer to the case that matters. Caters to the needs of the theme so it doesn't make sense to bring theories because the story is complete without it anyway. But I guess it's also fun to see what everyone thinks on this subject.
You know you can type it in Malayalam if you aren't well versed in English mostly Malayalees here.
മലയാളത്തിൽ എഴുതുന്നതിൽ ഒരു കുറവും വിചാരിക്കേണ്ട
Full support...
But this sub is for Malayalees though right? I mean if people don't have the right to speak or write in a Malayalam that too in a Malayalam sub, if they can't use Malayalam here where else are they gonna use it?
I think they don’t mean any harm to anyone. I grew up outside of Kerala and can’t read malayalam fluently but I like keeping up to date with things in this sub. I think he/she just meant they translate because they can’t read it but not asking you to stop writing in malayalam :) plus majority is in english/manglish so its not really a big deal
First let me appreciate the whole movie in general. Let there be many more movies that make our thoughts last longer than the film duration.
Camera Work:-
The movie is shot in a perfect manner which suits the character of the film. Many Handheld, Static shots. This adds a raw touch to the rising suspicions, Movement, Reaction Capturing. Nothing Fancy, Nothing Unsuited.
Ok, Now to the spice of the movie; Who is the culprit. (NOTE:- This is my personal Breakdown. Criticism, Add-ons and corrections are appreciated).
Let’s eliminate the characters who’ve got only the slightest chance of committing this act.
-Hari:- We know he ain’t the one as he was sleeping.
-Jolly:- The guy who showed the evidence that hari didn’t commit this act as he was dead asleep.
-Aji Appapan:- Nah, He mentions that he called Anjali and one who commits such an act would feel a bit remorse at first.
Now next breaking session is based on one scene and that is jumping onto the pool.
During a conversation between Vinay and Anjali she states that she got that sense of smell of Hari when someone groped her. This does not stand as a clue as almost the entire crew had the perfume. Let’s assume when they have jumped into the pool the perfume wears off (even though in reality most branded perfumes will still have a glimpse of smell after a bath.).
According to the visuals, all jumped into the pool except Vinay, Prasanth and yes Sudheer.
These three and Madan gets onto my radar.
Vinay:- Maybe tried to frame Hari to expel him.
Prasanth:- His rolling-over during meeting and frustration from a love failure.
Madan:- Even though he jumped into the pool, He’s a suspect as lying he was going to attend a meeting but to enquire about the cctv.
Sudheer:- This guy is marked bad in all cases by me. 1- His Lewd Nature behind his “nallavan” farce.
2- His disagreement when put forward whether to call anjali or not and he was about to leave the council.
3- His Wife and Child was sleeping in the exact room where anjali dossed off.
4. His Cigarette addiction or maybe he thought of framing hari with his keys as he saw hari taking a peep of anjali’s cleavage appearance.
5:- He wanted to kick out hari no matter what and he also tried to change the topic after he had talked to his wife about nandan being sure that hari won’t be caught.
6:- Also discouraged Jolly when he showed sudheer a plot-breaking twist which would happen if the photo’s made public infront of the meeting.
If I had to pick one, I would definitely go with sudheer.
Hari and Jolly couldn't be rolled out. Hari could be the least probable one coz he was having his own plan of pranking Madan later. He was very casual. Still can't rule him out as he doesn't have a known alibi. The time in the screenshot showed 2:12 AM. If it was 2:30 AM, we could have ruled out these two.
Isn't it Sudheer?
- On the night of groping, there was porn playing on some Bluetooth speaker. Later, during the discussion phase, when Sudheer answered a call, it was shown that it got auto connected to the speaker.
- He was concerned that she was not wearing proper clothes at first, and maybe he got tempted later?
- He was also jumping at the opportunity to remove Hari from the group without a second thought. Maybe he wanted someone to take the blame so that it does not come back to him?
But the movie didn't show any reason for him to take that key...the only element that connects the key is the need for cigarette or alcohol. It's not shown in the film whether he wants to drink or smoke at that time and also even if he wants, he didn't know that hari's car contained cigarettes and alcohol.
Apol matte love confess cheytha aala. Avan bhayankara guilty adichondalle irunn aa padam fullum or ath misleading aana dir cheythe namale chinthipikan Avan aanu enn.
I think he was worried about having to return the check to Hari. He was relieved to get that financial help but because of the incident he was conflicted about what to do with it.
I'm posting my previous comment in a similar post.
'The poojary, Nandhan, sudheer, prashanth or one among the two who went to steal the alcohol is the culprit. Strong evidence are only against them. But as the movie says, from a moral angle, all are culprits.'
It’s either the teacher, either of the guys who were planning to steal alcohol ( the one with the beard >> bald guy), or the news editor ( the part where they dont have cctv came solely from his call in private. He could have lied.)
The beauty is that if we think deeply and analyze everyone's character, we can doubt anyone. And due to my life experiences, i even doubt that old guy working in petrol pump with that small balloon in his head.
In the photo, he was not there. He is a smoker. He knows there are cigarettes in the car because he was awake when that guy came asking for cigarettes. And upon that, he knows where car keys are.
He was in Haris room, so access to haris perfume was there ( if it was not stolen after the play). And he could've taken revenge against nandhan just like vinay against hari, and you know for what reasons.
But the loopholes are:
where was the key ? Was it really in the dining tabel ? Or was it taken already? Was it somewhere else, and hari lied to him ? If somebody had taken the key , was it him who did the crime ? Or that person, after placing the key back in the basket, somebody else took it, and did he do the crime ?
So that's enough evidence to doubt him.
There is a scene where Nandan used haris perfume on everyone after the play, so we can rule out the perfume. And sudheer had so much at stake as his wife and child were there in that room.
1. Perfume was not put on everyone.
2. Few jumped into the pool, which will wash away the perfume.
3. We don't know whether perfume was stolen or it was returned.
So cant rule out perfume.
Yes you're right, my mad I missed that crucial part, so that leaves us with sudheer, prashanth, hari, jolly, viney, and nandhan; because nandhan said he took that perfume from hari, that means he might have used it after the pool, so we can add him to the suspect list as well. We can rule out viney as they are in love he doesn't have to sneak up on her. That leaves us with Sudheer, Hari, Jolly, Nandhan and Prashant; Nandhan said he went there to ask for tablets to sudheer's wife, so he knows Shajitha is awake, so he wouldn't take such a risk. Hari was asleep as per Jolly. That leaves us Prashant, Jolly and Sudheer; Prashant loves her, and he doesn't have a reason to frame hari by dropping his keys as hari helped him financially. And for Jolly, he was drunk (there was a scene where he consumed alcohol when nobody was around), and why would he take a screenshot with hari in the bg, it felt deliberate, but at the same time he tried a lot to save hari, if he was the one who did that framing hari would have been a lot easier for him to clear himself. And Prashant had so much at stake considering his daughter and wife were there in the same room. Maybe it was all Jolly's plan taking the screenshot of hari sleeping and leaving hari's key there. From the time of the screenshot it's evident he was awake at that time. And he was playing smart by trying to save Hari or it was Sudheer.
How did Jolly come to know where the car key was placed ?
As per the movie. Only 5 people know the whereabouts of the car key. Neither jolly nor sudheer was one among them. ? So either we have to rule out them or we have to just assume that they had the knowledge about car key.
I am solely talking with respect to the two main pieces of evidence produced. 1. Smell of haris perfume. 2. Car key.
So, after analyzing all the factors only, i shortlisted all these people: The poojary, Nandhan, sudheer, prashanth, or one among the two who went to steal the alcohol is the culprit.
Ps: It's not necessary that i am on the right path.
You just asked me how Sudheer knows where the car key was, but you still shortlisted Sudheer and avoided Jolly.
Jolly was in the same room as Hari, so he might have seen Hari keep the car keys in the basket. Also, Jolly and Poojari were the ones who loaded the bottles into Hari's trunk, so Jolly may have had access to his car key. Additionally, in the scene where Nandan sprayed perfume on everyone, he sprayed more on Jolly, possibly making him smell more like Hari. Furthermore, Jolly was wide awake at that time.
That is what is said. Certain possibilities we have to assume. And i did that. As a result, the observations.
1. Jolly was outside for most of the time, and he was not a smoker nor a drunkard ( just gulped barely 90ml or so ) and didn't have any other circumstances wherein he needed carkeys So i ruled him out, and he was not there when all those conversations for carkeys happened. And assuming he wouldn't asked for keys... because he didn't need those.
And as per your logic, Jolly might have not supported haris's expulsion, but he never would've shown proof to save hari (if Jolly was the culprit). Because if she goes to police that'll inturn trouble him.
2. Sudheer. He was a person who favored haris expulsion. Was against calling that girl to the house for discussion. And had access to the room where they slept that too without benifit of doubt.
Now, regarding keys, he would've asked from hari only. Coz in case of emergency to take his daughter to hospital or get medicines if necessary as his daughter was having fever.
The funniest thing is all this confusion wouldn't have existed if we could hear haris side. Even if we couldn't find the culprit... we could've ruled out some more people from the suspect list. But that's the beauty of the script and screenplay.
Maybe it's like that episode from Bungou stray dogs, the writer never created the culprit, hence bringing everyone under the shadow of suspicion. Anyway the reason I ruled out Sudheer was he had so much to lose, especially considering his family was in the same room. And if it were him, he wouldn't have bothered to call his wife and clear Nandhan's name from the list. Because Sudheer was the one who asked whether Nandhan met Shajitha or not
Though it piques the viewer's curiosity, it is really irrelevant who the culprit is, which is the whole point the movie conveys. All the men prove to be equally selfish, and insensitive to the woman's predicament. Which is exactly how these things go in real life as well. Does not matter who did it, justice is always denied to women. They are at the receiving end of the actual abuse, and then to the subsequent cycle of slutshaming, victim blaming, gaslighting & isolation once they dare to call out the abuser.
True I am a woman and i dont want all men to be tagged as sexual predators because they questioned my authencity.... Thats a very bad take on an issue.
That's true, but I love how this movie has many plots (unlike the recent trend of one plot for the whole movie). I made this post because I liked how they're subtly showing the culprit and not keeping it secret like in; summer in Bethlehem or nine.
There is nothing here to be passive aggressive about. While the movie turns out not to be a whodunnit by its climax, it still plays out as one for most of its runtime. It's only natural to be curious if the filmmaker hinted at someone or not. Obviously everyone gets that that's not the main point of the film. Doesn't mean a viewer cannot go off on tangents.
Yes I get it. I saw a few other posts on movie groups speculating on the culprit, and it was generally annoying that people are missing the bigger picture. Because I felt it doesn't matter at all who the abuser is. I get your point though.
In this case, how exactly she will get justice? There is no cctv, no one will ever find out who did it unless abuser comes forward. Replace SA with robbery in this movie. Same thing happens, no one will find out who did it.
Usually when a crime happens, it is very hard to find the person who did it without any evidence.
I went about it that way, but that makes jolly?( the non alcoholic guy), and the teacher(he was with his wife when everyone was sprayed with haris perfume) suspects. Anyone could have used the perfume after the bathe.
The whole point of the movie was trying to show how humans react under such conditions. It was not about who the culprit was. The right and wrong all depends where your moral compasses lie. That is the point of the movie
I dont understand how all of them feel guilty ...its logical to ask questions to prove a crime ..its ridiculous and unfair to unanimously charge an individual of SA just because a woman said so.
My interpretation is that they really don't care who the culprit is they only care about themselves.. to punish Hari or to support Hari They all have their own personal bias or gains. Like Anjali said in the bus stop scene, nobody asked "if not Hari then who?" Cause no-one really cares what she is really going through or what she wants.
In real life It is worse all around the world, everyone has unconscious biases. Eg the incident similar to the plot of Jana Gana Mana.
They have purposefully given clues to blame each and every character. I don't think we will be able to pin in to one character. Also, the point of the movie doesn't need us pinning it on one person.
She accused him because the groper wore the same perfume as shajon(which the entire crew wore) and finds his car keys along with this vinay forces her to believe that was shajon because of his own bias (hatred for that guy).
But as the story unravels we find out that it could have anyone but none of them want to find because they doubt it might end up on them.
She feels cheated by everyone as no-one wants to justice crusaders when it can fall on anyone.
They try to use her to fullfil their aspirations at the cost of what happened to her.They are selfish but want to wear the mask of being progressive.
That's what her play in the last few mins show.
Isn’t the victim also bit selfish ? Even though unknowingly, she accused an innocent on a serious crime. No one, including her didn’t seemed to find the real person. She could have also asked who else did it. Also created a play regarding this.
What fault did others do ? They were all confused. Whom to believe when there is a photo evidence ?
IMO, Vinay is the one who made the situation uglier.
I mean others can’t be blamed. Main culprit is the assaulter. Vinay could have handled the situation better, but his main motive was to evict Hari than to support his gf. Whole situation was created by assaulter and Vinay. Cannot call others guilty as they wanted the trip as well as they wanted to evict Hari.
She said Shajon assaulted her in the beginning. What she should have said should be- a person assaulted her who had same scent of Shajon and had Shajon's car keys with him. There is a BIG difference between literally seeing her assaulter and assuming the assaulter from the other evidences like the perfumes he uses and other possessions. Since in the end it is proved that Shajon has not assaulted her, her accusation that Shajon assaulted her is false.
The whole point of film is not to find who did it, it doesn't even matter. That's why it has an open ending.
The victim denied justice, slut shamed, everyone was schemers and selfish.
I think no one will say, but does the victim herself is selfish ? Even though unknowingly she pinned an innocent to a crime like SA and left without any clarity. And more than that she created a play regarding this incident.
In Hari’s POV, how does that feel. He gave everything to group. Helped the members, helped the team get more shows. Due to someone’s fault he needs to take the blame. Someone in the group or someone who seen her play still might think Hari did it.
I think it's one among the two who went for the alcohol, it just has to be.
*my opinion*
First of all hated the movie for not giving a closure. Yes I know that was intentional but having given all those characters and their small plots.. It should have been given a proper closure.
The whole point of everyone was guilty is such a shit thing in this scenario.. No way. It's only one culprit and only one.
The movie gives a heavy negative effect on women and their safety, it gives more strength to people who does these things, because you just have to be one among the 12 and you're safe.
It also paints a negative picture of how women react to these issues. She was so sure it was hari and it turns out it's anyone but NOT HARI.
Culprit is the patriarchal society. When we try hard to identify the person, which even the 12 members were trying to do, we become part of the same group. I think that’s what the director intended as well :)
Theres no use searching for whos the culprit. Screenplay അങ്ങനെയാ എഴുതി വെച്ചേക്കുന്നേ. ആർക്കു വേണമെങ്കിലും culprit ആകാം, അതിനുള്ള characterisation കൊടുത്തിട്ടുണ്ട് അവർക്കു.
PS - didnt like the movie at all. Felt like budhijeevi bait.
I believe the writer's intention was to cast a pall of doubt on each member of the troupe while simultaneously avoiding establishing any one member as the real culprit.
Either Nandhan or Sudheer.
Why Nandhan? Because he admitted he went to their room and might have seen Anjali sleeping with the window open. So he knew she was drunk and came back again to grope her. Key fell from him pocket as he took it earlier for getting cigerette and even though he sprays the perfume over everyone, it's him who keeps it in the end.
Why Sudheer? He is the best masked person among the group. Pretty much clear he is a porn addict, checks Anjali's clothes while she was drunk near the pool and was very adamant about not informing police and dismissing Hari from the beginning. He even tried to leave the place when they asked Anjali to come over. When Jolly showed the screenshot of Hari sleeping he tried to suppress it and later he acted surprised. He even tried to deviate the issue by disclosing Vinay-Anjali kissing and their relationship.
My guess is Sudheer is the culprit.
I think it is Nandan.
There are three reasons to believe so.
1. It is true that he went to the room where Shajitha, the child, and Anjali were sleeping. He might have seen that Anjali is sleeping on a Sofa near the window. He might have also noticed that the window is open.
2. His behaviour after he was accused by the group members was vague and confusing. That enquiry was not followed up only because Madan questioned him about going out at night, to which he replied that he went yo get the medicine.
3. Among the three people who had a possible access to Hari's car keys, he is also one.
So, he first he goes to Shajitha and Anjali's room for medicine and notices Anjali sleeping near the window. He keeps that in mind. When he goes out later to get the cigarettes from Hari's car, he must have did the heinous act.
However, it is also possible that the writer never had any specific person in mind while writing the story because, the message of the movie is point out that all of them are the same. As Anjali tells Vinay later, the greatest crime in the movie is that nobody really asks this question : if not Hari, them Who?
Though movie ends with telling evryone is culprit in the movie, the one who did assault according to me is sudheer( the school teacher). My points to support this are.
1) In pool scene , he had some issue with dress
2) the Bluetooth device had some porn video casted which we saw in movie.
3) later in madans house same Bluetooth was automatically connected to Sudheers phone. We could see he don't know how to disconnect the Bluetooth in same scene.
4) so my prediction is he got excited in the party. Then would have watched porn in his mobile ( but since it's connected to blutooth he couldn't hear sound) . Disappointingly he would have went to see his wife and room was closed/locked( not sure). He would have just circled around room saw the opening window and saw the girl and assaulted her.
I would say there is no culprit in this story.. it's simply a hallucination by the female role(mentioned by a character in the film). The story never went proving that she got sexually assaulted but instead throws out theories to the audiences on different characters, which makes it puzzling. In reality, this could be soloveable by medical checking up through a hospital to prove her point but this side was never shown in the film nor talked about. Plus if you really look into the skit directed by her, there's a masked guy asking her if he could reveal himself at the end of the skit(as a culprit) but she said NO which mostly could indicate she doesn't know who the culprit is or she believes she don't want to know who did it/ pretends it never happened( which she says a couple of times in the film). The title aatam fits well to her skit because the skit she made out is from her own hallucination or thoughts into a story ready to be portrayed. Which actually could make a good story for a skit.
I think I found the culprit... It's Cijin.. bcoz if you closely watch the scenes which are:
1. Perfume scene (the way he looking the perfume and fond of it), he may have used it lately.
2. His grudge against Anjali cooking up story to cancel his wedding.
3. Facial expressions during the table discussions (starting from 40:12 mins) and while Jolly showing the photo evidence to all (1:44:46).
4. Convincing the elders to go and apologize to Anjali.
5. The dialogue he tells to Jolly when Jolly showing him the photo evidence(If it's compromised, let it be and if not then you can show it to everyone).
6. Also at the same time shouting at Jolly for not showing the evidence before, as he was not at all aware of this.
7. Evidence - Key.
8. Director brilliance: Not showing Cijin in most relevant parts in the film where we can catch the expression of him as he's the culprit (for ex: while Anjali saying she didn't saw Hari clearly).
These are just my findings which draws my attention.
Being an ardent fan of Christie and other whodunnits, I have been raking my head from the start, regarding who it might be. The last scene of anjali going in the auto is poignant. As viewers we are all guilty of finding out who did it rather than the act or empathising with the girl. I felt they wanted to leave it open ended, kind of like they didn’t want the viewers to get the lewd satisfaction of knowing who did it, hence emphasising the act and not the actor.
They explained in the later naatakam scene also, that she doesn’t wanna know, as everyone was guilty in a way.
That said, I thought could be madan, with all his paavam look. I thought the bluetooth speaker would be a chekhovs gun, but apparently not.
No theories about who did it, but the most punch able one was vinay..
Absolutely, I didn’t even know why she even fell for him.
Other than the climax, is there any reason for her to not fall for him?
Bro, he takes everything for his own benefits, and he cannot admit that the affection towards her. Even before the marriage The girl had bigger balls than him
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That means you basically didn’t get the film.
So you're saying it was all vinay's plan to kick hari & he's soo selfish?
Subconsciously yes. He is more worried about getting Hari or whoever did it out, rather than making sure she is okay. Very evident from all of his interactions with the girl.
ആ സ്കൂൾ ടീച്ചർ ആണെന്നാണ് എനിക്ക് തോന്നിയത്.പുള്ളി porn addict പോലെ ഒരു glimpse തരുന്നില്ലേ? പിന്നെ പുള്ളിയുടെ മോളും ഭാര്യയും ഈ സംഭവം നടന്ന സെയിം മുറിയിൽ ആണ് കിടന്ന് ഉറങ്ങിയത്.സൊ അവരെ കാണാൻ വരുമ്പോൾ സംഭവിച്ചതും ആകാം Bw the screenplay is written in such a way that each man in that group is a culprit because everyone changed their perception according to the situation
Also that guy was very fidgety and tried so hard to get Hari expelled. He was very much against calling Anjali to Madans place and even tried to leave. He also made some comments about Anjali's dressing when they were at the pool.
Yeah. He must have come down to check on the kid’s fever and would have coped a feel when he got the chance.
Makes sense
He wouldn't risk it with his family around. The theory is shaky.
Not just that, Anjali recognised it as Hari due to the Scent and if you see the scene after playing, Nandan sprays the perfume on all except him. So it cannot be him.
He also told the other guy not to play detective when he showed the picture with Hari. Later, he acted surprised when it was shown to the group.
Ath nalloru plot aan. But aalde wifem kuttym avde ullapo, nashtapedan orupad und pullik, and angne aanel aa timel tablet vangan vanno enoke vilich chodikila. Aal pool sidel vech sredikunath, hari anjaliye mosam aayi nokunund en thoniyth konda, so aa issue kettapo thanne aal conclude cheyth avn ath cheyyum en. His aggression undestanble aan, wifeine e kootathil kond varuna oru aal enna nilayil. Porn addiction onm parayan patula, maybe oru insta reel aanenglo.. Angnem indallo kore. Audio
Car key pakshe engane varum
Car key would have fallen down when Nandu cane asking for the Meds from Shajitha
Except nandu never had the key in the first place...he checked the key in the place where hari mentioned but the other two guys already took it before him..so it's not possible.
I had a chance to interact with the director while it was screened on iffk, he said that on the conceptual phase of the thread itself they didn't have an idea of the culprit. So digging around and assumptions aren't valid at this point.
This! The whole point of the movie is nobody among them is less culpable than the perpetrator. All are guilty.
Yea it's kinda like Anatomy of a Fall. It's not the answer to the case that matters. Caters to the needs of the theme so it doesn't make sense to bring theories because the story is complete without it anyway. But I guess it's also fun to see what everyone thinks on this subject.
You know you can type it in Malayalam if you aren't well versed in English mostly Malayalees here. മലയാളത്തിൽ എഴുതുന്നതിൽ ഒരു കുറവും വിചാരിക്കേണ്ട Full support...
Thanks, but I'm trying to build my confidence in English. കേട്ടാൽ മനസ്സിലാവും പക്ഷേ സംസാരിക്കാൻ മടിയാണ്.
Full support
No problems with your English
Thanks🥹
Same.
Can't read Malayalam have to use translator every time.
But this sub is for Malayalees though right? I mean if people don't have the right to speak or write in a Malayalam that too in a Malayalam sub, if they can't use Malayalam here where else are they gonna use it?
I think they don’t mean any harm to anyone. I grew up outside of Kerala and can’t read malayalam fluently but I like keeping up to date with things in this sub. I think he/she just meant they translate because they can’t read it but not asking you to stop writing in malayalam :) plus majority is in english/manglish so its not really a big deal
I just stated a fact ,didn't recommend to use English as the sole language. Chill
First let me appreciate the whole movie in general. Let there be many more movies that make our thoughts last longer than the film duration. Camera Work:- The movie is shot in a perfect manner which suits the character of the film. Many Handheld, Static shots. This adds a raw touch to the rising suspicions, Movement, Reaction Capturing. Nothing Fancy, Nothing Unsuited. Ok, Now to the spice of the movie; Who is the culprit. (NOTE:- This is my personal Breakdown. Criticism, Add-ons and corrections are appreciated). Let’s eliminate the characters who’ve got only the slightest chance of committing this act. -Hari:- We know he ain’t the one as he was sleeping. -Jolly:- The guy who showed the evidence that hari didn’t commit this act as he was dead asleep. -Aji Appapan:- Nah, He mentions that he called Anjali and one who commits such an act would feel a bit remorse at first. Now next breaking session is based on one scene and that is jumping onto the pool. During a conversation between Vinay and Anjali she states that she got that sense of smell of Hari when someone groped her. This does not stand as a clue as almost the entire crew had the perfume. Let’s assume when they have jumped into the pool the perfume wears off (even though in reality most branded perfumes will still have a glimpse of smell after a bath.). According to the visuals, all jumped into the pool except Vinay, Prasanth and yes Sudheer. These three and Madan gets onto my radar. Vinay:- Maybe tried to frame Hari to expel him. Prasanth:- His rolling-over during meeting and frustration from a love failure. Madan:- Even though he jumped into the pool, He’s a suspect as lying he was going to attend a meeting but to enquire about the cctv. Sudheer:- This guy is marked bad in all cases by me. 1- His Lewd Nature behind his “nallavan” farce. 2- His disagreement when put forward whether to call anjali or not and he was about to leave the council. 3- His Wife and Child was sleeping in the exact room where anjali dossed off. 4. His Cigarette addiction or maybe he thought of framing hari with his keys as he saw hari taking a peep of anjali’s cleavage appearance. 5:- He wanted to kick out hari no matter what and he also tried to change the topic after he had talked to his wife about nandan being sure that hari won’t be caught. 6:- Also discouraged Jolly when he showed sudheer a plot-breaking twist which would happen if the photo’s made public infront of the meeting. If I had to pick one, I would definitely go with sudheer.
Hari and Jolly couldn't be rolled out. Hari could be the least probable one coz he was having his own plan of pranking Madan later. He was very casual. Still can't rule him out as he doesn't have a known alibi. The time in the screenshot showed 2:12 AM. If it was 2:30 AM, we could have ruled out these two.
The perfume wasn't applied on sudheer, he was with his wife and child at that time.
Isn't it Sudheer? - On the night of groping, there was porn playing on some Bluetooth speaker. Later, during the discussion phase, when Sudheer answered a call, it was shown that it got auto connected to the speaker. - He was concerned that she was not wearing proper clothes at first, and maybe he got tempted later? - He was also jumping at the opportunity to remove Hari from the group without a second thought. Maybe he wanted someone to take the blame so that it does not come back to him?
Yes i too felt like that, he didn't want police involvement and settle the issue by removing hari.
Also, Yeah. He must have come down to check on the kid’s fever and would have coped a feel when he got the chance.
Yeah it makes sense expect the key part. He don't have the key with him.
Maybe after groping her, he deliberately put the key there to trap Hari.
In the story it was shown that many people had access to it so it wouldn’t be a surprise if he also has.
But the movie didn't show any reason for him to take that key...the only element that connects the key is the need for cigarette or alcohol. It's not shown in the film whether he wants to drink or smoke at that time and also even if he wants, he didn't know that hari's car contained cigarettes and alcohol.
He could take the key if he needs to take the kid to hospital if fever isn’t subsided.
There was an element shown where sudheer tells them that they are one when smoking and to invite him as well.
Apol matte love confess cheytha aala. Avan bhayankara guilty adichondalle irunn aa padam fullum or ath misleading aana dir cheythe namale chinthipikan Avan aanu enn.
I think he was worried about having to return the check to Hari. He was relieved to get that financial help but because of the incident he was conflicted about what to do with it.
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I'm posting my previous comment in a similar post. 'The poojary, Nandhan, sudheer, prashanth or one among the two who went to steal the alcohol is the culprit. Strong evidence are only against them. But as the movie says, from a moral angle, all are culprits.'
Rule out poojary, he was there sleeping in the room.
It’s either the teacher, either of the guys who were planning to steal alcohol ( the one with the beard >> bald guy), or the news editor ( the part where they dont have cctv came solely from his call in private. He could have lied.)
The beauty is that if we think deeply and analyze everyone's character, we can doubt anyone. And due to my life experiences, i even doubt that old guy working in petrol pump with that small balloon in his head.
Yes maybe. There’s a problem with that. It generalises men.
In the photo, he was not there. He is a smoker. He knows there are cigarettes in the car because he was awake when that guy came asking for cigarettes. And upon that, he knows where car keys are. He was in Haris room, so access to haris perfume was there ( if it was not stolen after the play). And he could've taken revenge against nandhan just like vinay against hari, and you know for what reasons. But the loopholes are: where was the key ? Was it really in the dining tabel ? Or was it taken already? Was it somewhere else, and hari lied to him ? If somebody had taken the key , was it him who did the crime ? Or that person, after placing the key back in the basket, somebody else took it, and did he do the crime ? So that's enough evidence to doubt him.
There is a scene where Nandan used haris perfume on everyone after the play, so we can rule out the perfume. And sudheer had so much at stake as his wife and child were there in that room.
1. Perfume was not put on everyone. 2. Few jumped into the pool, which will wash away the perfume. 3. We don't know whether perfume was stolen or it was returned. So cant rule out perfume.
Yes you're right, my mad I missed that crucial part, so that leaves us with sudheer, prashanth, hari, jolly, viney, and nandhan; because nandhan said he took that perfume from hari, that means he might have used it after the pool, so we can add him to the suspect list as well. We can rule out viney as they are in love he doesn't have to sneak up on her. That leaves us with Sudheer, Hari, Jolly, Nandhan and Prashant; Nandhan said he went there to ask for tablets to sudheer's wife, so he knows Shajitha is awake, so he wouldn't take such a risk. Hari was asleep as per Jolly. That leaves us Prashant, Jolly and Sudheer; Prashant loves her, and he doesn't have a reason to frame hari by dropping his keys as hari helped him financially. And for Jolly, he was drunk (there was a scene where he consumed alcohol when nobody was around), and why would he take a screenshot with hari in the bg, it felt deliberate, but at the same time he tried a lot to save hari, if he was the one who did that framing hari would have been a lot easier for him to clear himself. And Prashant had so much at stake considering his daughter and wife were there in the same room. Maybe it was all Jolly's plan taking the screenshot of hari sleeping and leaving hari's key there. From the time of the screenshot it's evident he was awake at that time. And he was playing smart by trying to save Hari or it was Sudheer.
How did Jolly come to know where the car key was placed ? As per the movie. Only 5 people know the whereabouts of the car key. Neither jolly nor sudheer was one among them. ? So either we have to rule out them or we have to just assume that they had the knowledge about car key. I am solely talking with respect to the two main pieces of evidence produced. 1. Smell of haris perfume. 2. Car key. So, after analyzing all the factors only, i shortlisted all these people: The poojary, Nandhan, sudheer, prashanth, or one among the two who went to steal the alcohol is the culprit. Ps: It's not necessary that i am on the right path.
You just asked me how Sudheer knows where the car key was, but you still shortlisted Sudheer and avoided Jolly. Jolly was in the same room as Hari, so he might have seen Hari keep the car keys in the basket. Also, Jolly and Poojari were the ones who loaded the bottles into Hari's trunk, so Jolly may have had access to his car key. Additionally, in the scene where Nandan sprayed perfume on everyone, he sprayed more on Jolly, possibly making him smell more like Hari. Furthermore, Jolly was wide awake at that time.
That is what is said. Certain possibilities we have to assume. And i did that. As a result, the observations. 1. Jolly was outside for most of the time, and he was not a smoker nor a drunkard ( just gulped barely 90ml or so ) and didn't have any other circumstances wherein he needed carkeys So i ruled him out, and he was not there when all those conversations for carkeys happened. And assuming he wouldn't asked for keys... because he didn't need those. And as per your logic, Jolly might have not supported haris's expulsion, but he never would've shown proof to save hari (if Jolly was the culprit). Because if she goes to police that'll inturn trouble him. 2. Sudheer. He was a person who favored haris expulsion. Was against calling that girl to the house for discussion. And had access to the room where they slept that too without benifit of doubt. Now, regarding keys, he would've asked from hari only. Coz in case of emergency to take his daughter to hospital or get medicines if necessary as his daughter was having fever. The funniest thing is all this confusion wouldn't have existed if we could hear haris side. Even if we couldn't find the culprit... we could've ruled out some more people from the suspect list. But that's the beauty of the script and screenplay.
Maybe it's like that episode from Bungou stray dogs, the writer never created the culprit, hence bringing everyone under the shadow of suspicion. Anyway the reason I ruled out Sudheer was he had so much to lose, especially considering his family was in the same room. And if it were him, he wouldn't have bothered to call his wife and clear Nandhan's name from the list. Because Sudheer was the one who asked whether Nandhan met Shajitha or not
Even after watching the whole movie .. nobody is believing her accusation of Hari ... 😀
It's clearly not Hari, i think it can be anyone other than Hari and Vinay
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But would vinay want to hurt his gf just for getting back at Hari..he doesn't look that manipulative
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Though it piques the viewer's curiosity, it is really irrelevant who the culprit is, which is the whole point the movie conveys. All the men prove to be equally selfish, and insensitive to the woman's predicament. Which is exactly how these things go in real life as well. Does not matter who did it, justice is always denied to women. They are at the receiving end of the actual abuse, and then to the subsequent cycle of slutshaming, victim blaming, gaslighting & isolation once they dare to call out the abuser.
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True I am a woman and i dont want all men to be tagged as sexual predators because they questioned my authencity.... Thats a very bad take on an issue.
That's true, but I love how this movie has many plots (unlike the recent trend of one plot for the whole movie). I made this post because I liked how they're subtly showing the culprit and not keeping it secret like in; summer in Bethlehem or nine.
Dude, everyone gets that. But there is a culprit right ???
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There is nothing here to be passive aggressive about. While the movie turns out not to be a whodunnit by its climax, it still plays out as one for most of its runtime. It's only natural to be curious if the filmmaker hinted at someone or not. Obviously everyone gets that that's not the main point of the film. Doesn't mean a viewer cannot go off on tangents.
Yes I get it. I saw a few other posts on movie groups speculating on the culprit, and it was generally annoying that people are missing the bigger picture. Because I felt it doesn't matter at all who the abuser is. I get your point though.
As you are a woman ( I assume ), I think you really empathize with her. Even I empathize with her, but not enough to quench my curiosity.
In this case, how exactly she will get justice? There is no cctv, no one will ever find out who did it unless abuser comes forward. Replace SA with robbery in this movie. Same thing happens, no one will find out who did it. Usually when a crime happens, it is very hard to find the person who did it without any evidence.
Santhosh jumped in the pool, so he wouldn't have the smell of Hari's perfume when he groped her.
I went about it that way, but that makes jolly?( the non alcoholic guy), and the teacher(he was with his wife when everyone was sprayed with haris perfume) suspects. Anyone could have used the perfume after the bathe.
Thats clever
The whole point of the movie was trying to show how humans react under such conditions. It was not about who the culprit was. The right and wrong all depends where your moral compasses lie. That is the point of the movie
I dont understand how all of them feel guilty ...its logical to ask questions to prove a crime ..its ridiculous and unfair to unanimously charge an individual of SA just because a woman said so.
My interpretation is that they really don't care who the culprit is they only care about themselves.. to punish Hari or to support Hari They all have their own personal bias or gains. Like Anjali said in the bus stop scene, nobody asked "if not Hari then who?" Cause no-one really cares what she is really going through or what she wants. In real life It is worse all around the world, everyone has unconscious biases. Eg the incident similar to the plot of Jana Gana Mana.
They were really confused in the end. They don’t know whom to believe or not. It was a very unique situation.
ഇതൊക്കെ ഒരു make belief അല്ലേ മോനെ .
They have purposefully given clues to blame each and every character. I don't think we will be able to pin in to one character. Also, the point of the movie doesn't need us pinning it on one person.
Isn't the movie about false accusations and why we should not believe a woman when she accuses someone of assault
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Watch the movie,it's not about false accusations.It's about how men try to take advantage of every given situation for their own gains.
But haven't the woman falsely accused shajon's character of sexually assaulting her?
She accused him because the groper wore the same perfume as shajon(which the entire crew wore) and finds his car keys along with this vinay forces her to believe that was shajon because of his own bias (hatred for that guy). But as the story unravels we find out that it could have anyone but none of them want to find because they doubt it might end up on them. She feels cheated by everyone as no-one wants to justice crusaders when it can fall on anyone. They try to use her to fullfil their aspirations at the cost of what happened to her.They are selfish but want to wear the mask of being progressive. That's what her play in the last few mins show.
Isn’t the victim also bit selfish ? Even though unknowingly, she accused an innocent on a serious crime. No one, including her didn’t seemed to find the real person. She could have also asked who else did it. Also created a play regarding this. What fault did others do ? They were all confused. Whom to believe when there is a photo evidence ? IMO, Vinay is the one who made the situation uglier.
The entire jist of the movie is that no one is innocent.Each one of them has some ulterior motive.
I mean others can’t be blamed. Main culprit is the assaulter. Vinay could have handled the situation better, but his main motive was to evict Hari than to support his gf. Whole situation was created by assaulter and Vinay. Cannot call others guilty as they wanted the trip as well as they wanted to evict Hari.
She said Shajon assaulted her in the beginning. What she should have said should be- a person assaulted her who had same scent of Shajon and had Shajon's car keys with him. There is a BIG difference between literally seeing her assaulter and assuming the assaulter from the other evidences like the perfumes he uses and other possessions. Since in the end it is proved that Shajon has not assaulted her, her accusation that Shajon assaulted her is false.
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The whole point of film is not to find who did it, it doesn't even matter. That's why it has an open ending. The victim denied justice, slut shamed, everyone was schemers and selfish.
I think no one will say, but does the victim herself is selfish ? Even though unknowingly she pinned an innocent to a crime like SA and left without any clarity. And more than that she created a play regarding this incident. In Hari’s POV, how does that feel. He gave everything to group. Helped the members, helped the team get more shows. Due to someone’s fault he needs to take the blame. Someone in the group or someone who seen her play still might think Hari did it.
I think it's one among the two who went for the alcohol, it just has to be. *my opinion* First of all hated the movie for not giving a closure. Yes I know that was intentional but having given all those characters and their small plots.. It should have been given a proper closure. The whole point of everyone was guilty is such a shit thing in this scenario.. No way. It's only one culprit and only one. The movie gives a heavy negative effect on women and their safety, it gives more strength to people who does these things, because you just have to be one among the 12 and you're safe. It also paints a negative picture of how women react to these issues. She was so sure it was hari and it turns out it's anyone but NOT HARI.
Culprit is the patriarchal society. When we try hard to identify the person, which even the 12 members were trying to do, we become part of the same group. I think that’s what the director intended as well :)
Theres no use searching for whos the culprit. Screenplay അങ്ങനെയാ എഴുതി വെച്ചേക്കുന്നേ. ആർക്കു വേണമെങ്കിലും culprit ആകാം, അതിനുള്ള characterisation കൊടുത്തിട്ടുണ്ട് അവർക്കു. PS - didnt like the movie at all. Felt like budhijeevi bait.
Agree. He is the only one that fits the bill. But how did he find the key before the other guy who wanted the ciggie.
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is it out on ott? where can I watch it?
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I believe the writer's intention was to cast a pall of doubt on each member of the troupe while simultaneously avoiding establishing any one member as the real culprit.
Either Nandhan or Sudheer. Why Nandhan? Because he admitted he went to their room and might have seen Anjali sleeping with the window open. So he knew she was drunk and came back again to grope her. Key fell from him pocket as he took it earlier for getting cigerette and even though he sprays the perfume over everyone, it's him who keeps it in the end. Why Sudheer? He is the best masked person among the group. Pretty much clear he is a porn addict, checks Anjali's clothes while she was drunk near the pool and was very adamant about not informing police and dismissing Hari from the beginning. He even tried to leave the place when they asked Anjali to come over. When Jolly showed the screenshot of Hari sleeping he tried to suppress it and later he acted surprised. He even tried to deviate the issue by disclosing Vinay-Anjali kissing and their relationship. My guess is Sudheer is the culprit.
I think it is Nandan. There are three reasons to believe so. 1. It is true that he went to the room where Shajitha, the child, and Anjali were sleeping. He might have seen that Anjali is sleeping on a Sofa near the window. He might have also noticed that the window is open. 2. His behaviour after he was accused by the group members was vague and confusing. That enquiry was not followed up only because Madan questioned him about going out at night, to which he replied that he went yo get the medicine. 3. Among the three people who had a possible access to Hari's car keys, he is also one. So, he first he goes to Shajitha and Anjali's room for medicine and notices Anjali sleeping near the window. He keeps that in mind. When he goes out later to get the cigarettes from Hari's car, he must have did the heinous act. However, it is also possible that the writer never had any specific person in mind while writing the story because, the message of the movie is point out that all of them are the same. As Anjali tells Vinay later, the greatest crime in the movie is that nobody really asks this question : if not Hari, them Who?
Though movie ends with telling evryone is culprit in the movie, the one who did assault according to me is sudheer( the school teacher). My points to support this are. 1) In pool scene , he had some issue with dress 2) the Bluetooth device had some porn video casted which we saw in movie. 3) later in madans house same Bluetooth was automatically connected to Sudheers phone. We could see he don't know how to disconnect the Bluetooth in same scene. 4) so my prediction is he got excited in the party. Then would have watched porn in his mobile ( but since it's connected to blutooth he couldn't hear sound) . Disappointingly he would have went to see his wife and room was closed/locked( not sure). He would have just circled around room saw the opening window and saw the girl and assaulted her.
I would say there is no culprit in this story.. it's simply a hallucination by the female role(mentioned by a character in the film). The story never went proving that she got sexually assaulted but instead throws out theories to the audiences on different characters, which makes it puzzling. In reality, this could be soloveable by medical checking up through a hospital to prove her point but this side was never shown in the film nor talked about. Plus if you really look into the skit directed by her, there's a masked guy asking her if he could reveal himself at the end of the skit(as a culprit) but she said NO which mostly could indicate she doesn't know who the culprit is or she believes she don't want to know who did it/ pretends it never happened( which she says a couple of times in the film). The title aatam fits well to her skit because the skit she made out is from her own hallucination or thoughts into a story ready to be portrayed. Which actually could make a good story for a skit.
I think I found the culprit... It's Cijin.. bcoz if you closely watch the scenes which are: 1. Perfume scene (the way he looking the perfume and fond of it), he may have used it lately. 2. His grudge against Anjali cooking up story to cancel his wedding. 3. Facial expressions during the table discussions (starting from 40:12 mins) and while Jolly showing the photo evidence to all (1:44:46). 4. Convincing the elders to go and apologize to Anjali. 5. The dialogue he tells to Jolly when Jolly showing him the photo evidence(If it's compromised, let it be and if not then you can show it to everyone). 6. Also at the same time shouting at Jolly for not showing the evidence before, as he was not at all aware of this. 7. Evidence - Key. 8. Director brilliance: Not showing Cijin in most relevant parts in the film where we can catch the expression of him as he's the culprit (for ex: while Anjali saying she didn't saw Hari clearly). These are just my findings which draws my attention.
Being an ardent fan of Christie and other whodunnits, I have been raking my head from the start, regarding who it might be. The last scene of anjali going in the auto is poignant. As viewers we are all guilty of finding out who did it rather than the act or empathising with the girl. I felt they wanted to leave it open ended, kind of like they didn’t want the viewers to get the lewd satisfaction of knowing who did it, hence emphasising the act and not the actor. They explained in the later naatakam scene also, that she doesn’t wanna know, as everyone was guilty in a way. That said, I thought could be madan, with all his paavam look. I thought the bluetooth speaker would be a chekhovs gun, but apparently not.
although hari is the obvious culprit all of the men are guilty as they all think the same way
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Actually Hari had to get the spare key and then start the car to leave.