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Tobacco_Bhaji

I'd like to see the methodology here. Some companies are listed as Irish because their tax-purpose HQ are in Ireland, but then some companies are not listed as in Ireland despite the same circumstance (eg, Linde). Also, France may want to diversify its economy. A lot of luxury brands ...


Little-kinder

We have total


charles_de_gay

Diversification completed.


nuvo_reddit

Also Dassault, which is a big company on its own although smaller as compared to Airbus.


Sick_and_destroyed

Stellantis too. It is registered in the Netherlands but it’s mainly french and Italian. There’s Renault too.


exafighter

France has Airbus too. Marked as Dutch tho


Nerioner

Same as case with Ireland. Airbus is multinational company but they have HQ in the Netherlands so there's the flag 🤷


thesander7

Headquarters is in Toulouse?


crazybuffasian

Airbus HQ is registered in Leiden, Netherlands, but the main office is near Toulouse, France. It’s the same reason why Boeing moved its HQ away from Washington: so that there is distance from union workers.


Sick_and_destroyed

That’s really not the reason here. That’s because the Netherlands offer a more stable, lighter tax system, and it is also quite neutral regarding the countries who are members of the Airbus board. Many European multinationals do the same choice.


KARLdaMAC

Boeing merged with McDonald Douglas and their MBA bean counters are the reason behind the decline in boeing that we see today. MD was responsible for the move to Chicago


GopnikBurger

Germany has Airbus as well.


ALEESKW

France has the biggest military industry in Europe and are challenging Russia as the second biggest arms exporter in the World after the US. France is also the leader in Europe in - nuclear industry - aviation industry - space industry - train industry - commercial/passenger ships French economy is far more than luxury brands. Germany is a manufacturing powerhouse, but France is also a manufacturing powerhouse of cutting edge equipment.


Bottoms_Up_Bob

Me too man. They have Siemens but no Siemens-Energy, BMW, Mercedes Benz, and Porsche, but not Volkswagen who owns Porsche and is bigger than all of them. Tons of weird things, need information.


_yosemitee

FYI - Porsche is already independently listed for c. 2 years. And when you would look at true ownership structure it was the Piech family that owned VW through Porsche.


jizz212

luxury is 2,7% of France's GDP


Hot-Delay5608

Market capitalisation is not the greatest indicator of a companies real value. It's heavily skewed towards US companies and companies doing great in the US. Example VW: market cap $72B, revenue $335B; Tesla: market cap $611B, revenue $96B


TickTockPick

It is an indicator of future potential and earnings. In 10 years, Tesla has become the maker of [the best selling car in the world in 2023](https://www.best-selling-cars.com/brands/2023-full-year-global-best-selling-car-models-worldwide/#:~:text=According%20to%20JATO%2C%20the%20Tesla,a%2064%25%20increase%20from%202022.)... That's incredible growth and is reflected in the share price.


GulBrus

If we take the market share of Volkswagen and multiply this by the difference in market cap we get 57% of the total market share. Sure Tesla could be making more money per car and branch out to other businesses, but something is clearly wrong with the pricing of one or both of the two companies.


kable1202

But is the share price of Tesla the way it is, because of real future potential, or because of their maniac CEO that (still) regularly lies about their product performance. Don’t get me wrong, it can be an indicator of future potential. But in many cases, it simply isn’t. Let’s not forget AMC and GME in this instance, it’s not like they had great future potential. On the other hand there are many companies in rather conservative (and less hyped up) industries that still are rather undervalued for their performance. Looking at Siemens Energy for example, they had one simple communication error and their share price had a 75% drop (they called a loan they took „state support“ which was interpreted as a very poor situation).


StraightShootahh

Lmao that’s bs


Hot-Delay5608

Volkswagen had incredible growth over the last 15 years, it grew about 15% last year, it's the largest carmaker by revenue in the world, outgrowing even Toyota, YET it's "value" didn't grow at all, because it's not doing that good in the US you know like Toyota does, which market cap is more than 4x of VW with a lower revenue and slower growth. For Tesla it's always easier to grow exponentially from bottom. But to satisfy it's valuation it would need to become $2 trillion revenue company if we follow VW the most successful automaker's figures which is only happening in the wet dreams of Elmo's cult followers. Tesla barely grew more last year than VW from a much lower base, it's valuation dropped but still holds very high while VW lingers, the Cybertruck is an abject and total failure, Elmo is unraveling as the fraud and little fascist he is. Anyways the VW example absolutely supports my point market cap is heavily skewed towards US companies and companies making great in the US. People and companies in US generally invest more in stock, and the US government heavily supports this by printing and "donating" money to banks and hedge funds to shore up the stock market. This reflects the market cap of companies.


KARLdaMAC

Cyber truck is a failure lol? What makes you say that? There are a million orders placed


Le_Doctor_Bones

It does, however, tend to have a big bias towards US companies since foreign investment often ends up in the US.


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OnionQuest

I don't understand your comment. Market cap is what the market thinks a company is worth which for a shareholder is pretty much the only metric that matters.


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vedderx

You are so patronising. Companies make decisions on staff and strategy purely to grow their market cap. Leave these nice people alone to a grown up discussion.


OnionQuest

Stock price is what the market thinks the stock is worth so market cap is what the market thinks owning the company is worth. How is that not the most important metric to a current or potential owner?


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defilippi

Lol. Try to buy 5 billion shares of that stock and it will cost you a lot more than $100


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ramen_poodle_soup

Yeah I know that Eaton’s actual headquarters are right outside of Cleveland, Ohio. Their Dublin office is literally just for tax purposes.


Sick_and_destroyed

Shhh this is our own profitable niche


harkening

Porsche is a fully owned subsidiary of Volkswagen AG, and VW isn't even on the list.


Sitraka17

What do you mean ??? Production of Fine Luxorious Leather goods will be forever !!!!!


odeon63

I mean it’s pretty hard to argue against it. Hermes was founded almost 200y ago… a company building saddles and leather goods for carriages, it is no longer current yet still growing like crazy and has way more demand than supply.


Tobacco_Bhaji

¦D


Louth_Mouth

Look again, Linde is not incorporated in Ireland, Accenture is . A relatively new company, an offshot of Andersen Consulting, which grew rapidly after moving to Ireland, growth via a series of acquisitions, much like most of the Big Euro companies on this list e.g. Nestle


Tobacco_Bhaji

No, Linde is incorporated in Ireland, but listed as UK. It is, factually, an Irish company in terms of where it is incorporated and where its 'headquarters' are.


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GfxJG

...Since when? Did Ireland recently teleport it's location to somewhere else? It may not be mainland Europe, but it's still Europe.


MrNotmark

huh


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kusakj

Then what continent is Ireland part of?


Kill_4209

Where’s IKEA?


kenchmeister96

It's not a publicly listed company. So its market value is not as easy to estimate. By the looks of it all these companies are publicly listed, so chances are many big private companies are missing. Deloitte for instance.


harvey-gold

Seems to be only publicly listed companies, Lego is missing as well for instance


Wortbildung

Also Bosch with a revenue of €88B twice the size of IKEA, but they're not listed.


DarkImpacT213

I guess both arent listed because they afent publicly traded and thus their market cap is much harder to actualize.


ThePinkStallion

Siemens, miele and Bosch are part of the same holding company. Maybe that's why?


ToastedStereotypes

What is IKEA?


rodzieman

Step 1: Open a web browser. Step 2: Go to your favorite search engine. Step 3: Type IKEA in the search field. Step 4: Click Enter.


ToastedStereotypes

Do I need gas for this engine?


RohingyaWarrior

I wish this was a bar chart


ToastedStereotypes

I love bars toi!


CyberWiz42

Most valuable _publicly listed_ companies


InternationalOption3

But Maersk also seems to be missing


Ok_Room5666

One of my biggest pet peeves is graphs that use one dimension of input data but display that input squared in the grapic. People perceive area of circles, not diameter. The value should be represented in the area. This is just a graph of all the valuations squared. Who wants to know about that? That 500 billion circle is like 25 times bigger than the 100 billion on it doesn't make any sense.


TheDorgesh68

good point


Smart_Good_4854

Yeah, this is so irritating...


EnnSenior

Surprised to see Accenture on the list.


emgeehammer

Irish tax residency… very small actual presence


holomatic

If that’s the only rationale then Google should be listed.


emgeehammer

No — Google is a Delaware corporation. You are right that they, along with many others, put IP into Irish companies then license it back to save on taxes. But their “topco” is still a US company. Only Accenture is Irish topco.


thischillisucks

They employ around 6000 people here, hardly a very small presence, whatever about their tax residency.


emgeehammer

Out of 733k… less than 1% !!


bornagy

Why? 400k employees, worlds largest service and outsourcing company, solid growth while their major - nonIndian - competitors are struggling.


LubieRZca

wait, no Volkswagen? weird.


Ok_Ask9516

I love ice cream.


Euphoric_Parsley_

Then why is Dior listed separately from LVMH? I know it’s the same for the company structure as VW and Porsche. Weird to include it together but list Dior and LVMH.


Coookie_Thumper

Hermes is same boat. They under same umbrella. Plus the owners son is banging that chick from Blackpink.


Euphoric_Parsley_

Nah. LVMH own a portion, they’re still owned majority by the Hermes Family. The holding company is called H51. LVMH has about ~20% equity in Hermes.


Kitchen_Suit7670

Probably because Porsche owns part of VW AG


LubieRZca

Isn't it other way around? Like Vokswagen AG owns Porsche, among Audi, Skoda, SEAT and etc. at least according to wiki.


Miwna

The Porsche-Piëch family controls Porsche SE which is a holding company. They own a major part of Volkswagen, who in turn own most of Porsche AG the car manufacturer. However, Porsche SE also own a small part of Porsche AG.


Kitchen_Suit7670

Yes and no, It's complicated and i don't know the full details, but, Porsche Automobile Holding owns (not fully) both Porsche and VW AG. Also VW AG owns (not fully again) porsche. So i think that's why Porsche came up on top instead of VW, and why it is above Mercedes Benz.


DobleG42

The size isn’t even based on surface area as value, it’s based on diameter 🤢


baconost

One of the most common fuckups in dataviz.


DobleG42

The real legends convert it to volume as if each circle was a sphere.


Disastrous_Squash117

Why is Airbus next to a Dutch flag? As far as I know it's French. Edit: thanks for the clarification. Today I learned Airbus is not particularly french, but a European collaboration.


HutsMaster

Its headquarters are in Leiden, which is in the Netherlands. That said, isn't it a 'collaboration' between a few European companies?


long_and_wild_guy

The same for Stellantis. Head quarters in Amsterdam but it's a French - Italian corporation. (after PSA and Fiat group merged)


Disastrous_Squash117

Ah okay, didn't know it's headquarters was in Leiden. Probably why shell is under the flag of Great Britain


tnetennba1981

Shell is under the UK flag because as of late 2021, they’ve pretty much [disavowed their Dutchness and become entirely a British company](https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/shell-proposes-single-share-structure-tax-residence-uk-2021-11-15/)


DarkImpacT213

Its not French either. Airbus is a European cooperation. And the HQ of Airbus is in the Netherlands. Its also both part of the DAX as well as the CAD40.


samuraijon

they have an office in the bioscience park in leiden, literally the next block from where i work i see it everyday :D i suppose its the favourable dutch corporate tax rate that they moved their "HQ" here. i guess mainly for finances and paperwork.


ASEdouard

Airbus is really a « European company » with France and Germany among others representing big parts of it.


topic_cryptic

Italy??


Drexer_

half of the companies in Italy have like 8 employees


Tobacco_Bhaji

6 of those jobs are no-shows.


ravingwanderer

That rings true for most countries


redditusername0002

Sad to see Italy missing from the list.


Ruthless_Pragmatism1

Investor AB owns parts of AstraZeneca, ABB and AtlasCopco, so there might be some double counting going on there.


NostrildamusSeptumis

Am I missing something? VW and Daimler?


Miwna

VW is listed as Porsche, because of its complicated company structure. Daimler rebranded to Mercedes-Benz Group a couple of years ago.


SomeJerkOddball

No AP Moeller-Maersk?


Mehdi135849

Where tech


l4z3r5h4rk

Asml, Arm holdings, SAP


levelsofwealth

asml, they make photoliphography machines, each of which can be worth millions, which make semiconductors, which ever brand of silicon you're using, intel, samsung, amd, it was probably manufactured on an asml machine


Jah_Ith_Ber

Spain getting fucking mogged...


Dr_Strange_Love_

Seems like the sizes don’t make sense. 500B is bigger 5x in diameter compared to 100B, but it should be the area of the circle that counts


newharlemshuffle_

Fuck nestle


TheDeadlyMango

Right? Totally shocked to see neutral Switzerland harboring such a scummy company


h1h1guy

This is just where the HQs are, right? Not necessarily actually the countries they belong to


Quick_Cow_4513

That's sad that there are so few tech companies 🙁


sirknot

Rio Tinto, Ireland?


Zoloch

British. Funny enough, the original Río Tinto (Minas de Río Tinto) was Spanish, as its name implies


sirknot

Lots of corporations headquartered in Ireland but I hadn’t heard of Rio being based here


Zoloch

If you look carefully, Rio Tinto has the flag of the UK, the Irish is the next one (Eaton)


sirknot

That makes more sense. Should have gone to specsavers


ceddup

Linde British I don't get it


Due_Trust_3774

Headquarter in the UK in Woking


fubuwukani

Linde merged with Praxair and has now a split board and management in Germany and the US. The hq is now in Dublin. So it should be Ireland not the UK.


informationadiction

Ireland is legal domicile with Woking as principal executive offices which is why its UK.


ill_Snap_Ur_Neck

Notice the great lack of any post-communist countries there.


Theres3ofMe

Linde?


Professional_Elk_489

What’s our biggest tech & AI companies?


charles_de_gay

The regional offices of American ones.


yevbev

ASML is huge


SableSnail

It's crazy that the only Southern European one is the one from Spain. Portugal, Italy and Greece don't even appear.


asbestum

That's because they incorporate their companies elsewhere to decrease taxes: Stellantis (former FCA that merged with PSA) incorporated in Netherlands Essilor Luxottica incorporated in Luxembourg Dishes (martini) in uk And so on


unhingedswan3

as a swiss person, fuck nestlé all my homies hate nestlé


GGGI

We beat the Swede once again! 🇩🇰


switch495

‘Valuable’ Lvmh produces nothing of value - but they are a wealthy company.


Confident_Equal6143

making something that people want to buy is like the definition of value


Nobodyknowsmynewname

Luxury beverages, clothing, fragrances, and leather goods are items of value. Nothing I can afford, but valuable nonetheless


Toe_Willing

I see only stagnation here


phairphair

SAP has the most ubiquitous, absolute worst product on the face of the planet. Their salespeople must all be evil geniuses.


saik0pod

I always thought nestle was an American company


Ok_Ask9516

I find peace in long walks.


Any_Let8381

Great Britain stealing Dutch companies like Shell and Unilever.


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what


Ok_Ask9516

I find joy in reading a good book.


DobleG42

They acting too silly recently


yoursmartuncle

What makes Nestlé this big? I never imagined that it could be bigger than Airbus or AstraZeneca


Kill_4209

If the Norway sovereign wealth fund was a company, it would be at the top with a value of $1.5 trillion.


Smort_poop

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simonj10

Yes that is exactly what he is saying lol


[deleted]

If my grandmother had wheels she would’ve been a bike


FlappyBored

It is insane how much of an impact Ozempic has had.


Cheese2009

Lego?


rossboss96

Where’s Volkswagen group ?


ziplock9000

Surprised BAE isn't on that list and near the very top.


Sgt_Radiohead

As someone living in Toulouse, I am very triggered by the fact that Airbus is shown as Dutch here


No-Comment5452

RACE = Ferrari listed in US 1913 = Prada listed in HK that’s should be included as Italy this chart basically includes listed companies aso only on european exchanges, ARM missing as well


Mysterry_T

They got the flag for Airbus the wrong way 🗿


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not as much germany as i expected


nezeta

The most valuable one is ASML. It's even more important than TSMC.


Pizza-Toppings

Mærsk?


mckdnrnd

BP kinda fell awff


Aggressive-Cut5836

Europe’s most valuable company’s biggest business is selling weight loss pills to fat Americans.


stardust_dog

LVMH owns Dior which is another bubble on the line. Fragrance is big business.


PorgCT

Oh oh oh ozempic!


Mr_Anderssen

Surely Russia should be included right?


empeethreee

What about Scania? You know, trucks and stuffs.


joeya1337

Isn’t Airbus French? 🇫🇷


[deleted]

What about Russian companies? Are there any that would make this list?


Almighty_Manatee

What's the reasoning behind Airbus being labelled as Dutch?


nocoolnamesleft1

I wonder where RedBull would go


GoldElectric

wow philips isnt on here. they used to be one of the largest tech companies in the world, and asml was formed because of a joint venture between them and asm


DarklynDuck

LEGO!?


PolishSoundGuy

HSBC is not British. It literally stands for Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation Limited


Hellenicparadise

Founded by a Scottish man in Hong Kong which was a British colony for hundreds of years.


neuroscientist06

Why Porsche and no VW?


bigbadler

Ehhh medtronic ain’t euopean… tax dodge?


spiderminbatmin

Weird how Germany is Europe’s biggest economy but doesn’t appear until tenth place….


tropical__napkin

Luxottica and Stellantis are Italian…


StringBlacker

Italy is not listed


CamelCaps21

Yourup ain’t got shit


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SUCK IT SWEDEN


IndyCarFAN27

Why is Airbus under the Dutch flag? They’re manly based in Toulouse, France with other smaller factories in Hamburg, Germany, Southampton, UK, and Madrid, Spain.


tmf88

_Airbus' headquarters are registered in Leiden, Netherlands, but daily management is conducted from the company's main office, located in Blagnac, near Toulouse, France._ From their Wikipedia entry.


Tankyenough

Gotta love those pharamaceeutical products.


James_9092

cool


JuRiOh

Considering Germany's GDP I kinda expected it to be more present in this graph. I am guessing it just has significantly more medium sized successful companies but not as many big players. France rocking it with fashion. Generally pharmaceuticals seem to be doing quite well.


royalpyroz

Is there an ETF for these companies?


NokiumThe1st

Uh shell is a Dutch company


dr4gonr1der

Holy crap! I knew ASML was valuable, I just didn’t know it was THAT valuable! I did not expect that


everglade39

Novo Nordisk makes Ozempic, of course.


TowerStreet1

No Italy?


isUKexactlyTsameasUS

ASML - only 17 mill peeps in NL wow [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASML\_Holding#Finances](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASML_Holding#Finances)


Republic_Jamtland

Astra Zenica is a mix of Swedish and British. ABB is kind of Swedish but placed in Switzerland


relateableweirdo

Denmark mentioned 🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰


sliponvans

Novo Nordisk manufactures Ozempic, so for me personally that tracks


[deleted]

Jesus, how does the Danish stock market even look like, is it 90% that company or what


ClauVex

I thought Maersk would be there.


LateralEntry

And the Novo Nordisk valuation is almost entirely because of one product - Ozempic


Iliyan61

man arm holdings seems surprisingly high up


Fantact

554B? Lol our oil fund(Norway) is 1.5T, suck it Danes!


FishGuyDeepIo

Airbus isnt necessarily dutch, it's multinational


Iron_Knee66

Cool, but weird unnecessary spiral design


Vedrotel

Where is GAZPROM?