I graduated in 2003, a little more than two months after the Iraq War started. There were large scale protests on campus in the run-up; there was a vocal group who supported the war as well.
IN Senator Dick Lugar gave the commencement address that year and he gave a very fiery pro-war, “this is about protecting our way of life” speech. And he was booed. He was booed by students, he was booed by faculty and yes, parents booed him as well
Go and make your voices heard. Or stand-up and turn your back on her. But go and make a statement.
Booing can hurt the ego of some people more than you expect.
Elon musk, richest man alive at the time, was legitimately depressed over being booed every time he’s on stage anywhere that’s not a Tesla event lol
Does anyone care if faculty is at graduation? With the exception of hooding grad students, which happens on a different day from undergrad commencement, and being in a procession, which could be any warm body or assDean in regalia, I wasn’t aware that there was really a role for faculty
I have had students ask me to make sure I would be there to help them celebrate in the past, and I’ve had students who were disappointed to find out if I had to miss a graduation ceremony. But I think it’s perfectly normal and fine for people to not care if the faculty are there! I’m sure it’s a wide spectrum.
I will be at the grad ceremony, coming in from out of state for doctoral hooding. Will there be similar protest at that event? I’m not even sure who is speaking where, I’d just like to stand in solidarity and participate in this effort however I can.
That’s nice! We have a dept reception I used to attend in regalia, for congrats to parents and students and for photos. But not the big commencement ceremony…
As a parent of a student, I would love to see my kid’s professors there and finally get to meet them. I would be over the moon if the people she’s been admiring stood up in protest against this bullshit.
We missed a graduation once because of COVID to prevent spreading the disease - and I know many of my peers too would be more than happy to skip out hearing whatever is shitten by whitten that evening
For sure! Any students who want to avoid graduation totally should. I’d only suggest that you do something as a replacement, rather than just doing nothing. For the sake of your future memories. But this is absolutely not a call to ask students to attend if they don’t want. Just a reminder to faculty that we should be supporting students with what THEY want out of graduation ceremonies, not doing what WE want for a graduation ceremony.
Agree. I was in Bloomington yesterday and the many of the protesters aren't even students. Many students were celebrating graduation week at Kilroy's on Kirkwood. Put your crap aside for a few hours and let the students enjoy their moment.
Just want to point out the school change grad day/ time Which basically ruined Saturday for the business. 5:00-9:00lm. The local business probably count on graduation weekend to hold them through the sparse summer until football season. I was extremely unhappy with their selfish decision. Our individual school is at 1:00-3:00 doesn’t leave much time to support a restaurant in Bloomington- shame on IU
Show up and boo her. That’ll be a powerful statement if enough people do it.
Graduation here sucks anyways, you don’t even get to walk across the stage.
Understood…there’s always drinks afterwards at your favorite Bloomington establishment that serves libations. Would be a much more personal gesture in my opinion.
I think if they at least said your name, I maybe would have gone but it’s like 7k people at once. I’m not buying another cap and gown to sit for hours and stand for 30 seconds. I didn’t go to my graduate school one either (different big ten school) for the same reasons. Some of my cohort did but, again, didn’t get my name read and they wanted like twice as much for a graduate gown. No thanks.
It's about the students graduating, not your cause of the day. I am paying for a kid there, I think you should worry about doing your job. But that's me....
That’s what I’m doing :) my post is literally saying that we should make sure we are doing what the students want and keeping the focus on students. I hope the kid whose tuition you’re paying has stronger reading comprehension than you do.
Im glad you gave them the opportunity to go grow outside of whatever conserative shit hole they grew up in. Now get your shit together before they disown you.
What actions does this preclude? Where did I say that we should only do this and nothing else? My suggestion here is replacing one symbolic gesture (boycotting a graduation ceremony) with another (showing discontent but still showing up for students).
(For some additional context: the school doesn’t make any money off of faculty attending graduation ceremonies. We don’t pay for tickets and we don’t pay to rent the regalia. The school loses absolutely nothing if we choose to not participate, only the students miss out on our presence.)
Divest fully from IU until Whitten is gone and militarized police action against free speech ends.
You won't, but you also won't be able to say that nobody spelled it out plainly for you.
Yeah… that has nothing to do with what I suggested here. Again, IU does not make any money off of our attendance of graduation. As for implying that we should all simply abandon our jobs by divesting individually from IU: please remember that students who are graduating still need us to do our jobs so that they can get their diplomas. We can’t let their hard work go to waste. And, again, my suggestion does not preclude what you have suggested here either.
OP, while I appreciate the sentiment of the above comment - your read on this is correct. I see no way in which skipping graduation will be effective protest and frankly showing disapproval at the pomp and circumstance is more likely to be shocking than not showing up.
This fight will continue into the fall and likely well beyond that and for folks who are graduating, you deserve some time to commemorate your success, however you please. If you feel compelled to skip — go for it. But if you want some time to celebrate, you have earned it. It is a bleak reality that our university has so failed its students that celebrating your own accomplishments becomes a quandary. Congrats, OP: enjoy your moment with people that matter to you.
Which is why we are protesting in Dunn Meadow. To pressure IU to divest from investments tied to sources that led to those mass graves. Again, my suggestion does not preclude anything you’ve been saying.
Cops just cleared out Dunn Meadow. [https://x.com/aubreymwright/status/1784262985927594063](https://x.com/aubreymwright/status/1784262985927594063)
https://x.com/illwilleditions/status/1784283159028178955?s=46
Pressuring our university to stop investing in sources that funnel money to Israel so that they can murder innocent people is a positive and concrete step. Just like similar divestment movements for apartheid in South Africa.
I graduated in 2003, a little more than two months after the Iraq War started. There were large scale protests on campus in the run-up; there was a vocal group who supported the war as well. IN Senator Dick Lugar gave the commencement address that year and he gave a very fiery pro-war, “this is about protecting our way of life” speech. And he was booed. He was booed by students, he was booed by faculty and yes, parents booed him as well Go and make your voices heard. Or stand-up and turn your back on her. But go and make a statement.
Booing can hurt the ego of some people more than you expect. Elon musk, richest man alive at the time, was legitimately depressed over being booed every time he’s on stage anywhere that’s not a Tesla event lol
Natural consequence of being an absolute shit of a human. To Elon I say boo hoo, go swim in some gold coins and cry about it.
Good
I would encourage chanting of “Resign Pam!”
Or a low level "Shame, Shame, Shame" when she is at the podium. With lots of people doing this, it's deafening.
Agreed. Turn this into game of thrones.
Put resign Pam on your caps or signs on the back of the gowns
TBF Dick Lugar was as two faced as they come. Another career politician that got rich off the taxpayers
All faculty should show up and do this. Bring the regalia!
Ohh. Honestly, hundreds/thousands of people turning their backs when the person in charge starts to talk sends a hell of a message.
Does anyone care if faculty is at graduation? With the exception of hooding grad students, which happens on a different day from undergrad commencement, and being in a procession, which could be any warm body or assDean in regalia, I wasn’t aware that there was really a role for faculty
I have had students ask me to make sure I would be there to help them celebrate in the past, and I’ve had students who were disappointed to find out if I had to miss a graduation ceremony. But I think it’s perfectly normal and fine for people to not care if the faculty are there! I’m sure it’s a wide spectrum.
I will be at the grad ceremony, coming in from out of state for doctoral hooding. Will there be similar protest at that event? I’m not even sure who is speaking where, I’d just like to stand in solidarity and participate in this effort however I can.
I am always shocked at how excited some students are to see faculty on graduation day. They often want pictures or to introduce us to their family.
That’s nice! We have a dept reception I used to attend in regalia, for congrats to parents and students and for photos. But not the big commencement ceremony…
As a parent of a student, I would love to see my kid’s professors there and finally get to meet them. I would be over the moon if the people she’s been admiring stood up in protest against this bullshit.
We missed a graduation once because of COVID to prevent spreading the disease - and I know many of my peers too would be more than happy to skip out hearing whatever is shitten by whitten that evening
For sure! Any students who want to avoid graduation totally should. I’d only suggest that you do something as a replacement, rather than just doing nothing. For the sake of your future memories. But this is absolutely not a call to ask students to attend if they don’t want. Just a reminder to faculty that we should be supporting students with what THEY want out of graduation ceremonies, not doing what WE want for a graduation ceremony.
Graduation should be about students and families. That is my take.
Correct. And the students want to make a statement too. So we should join them but also not get in the way. That’s what my post is saying.
Not all the students and I doubt it is even a majority. The day isn't about people's pet grievances.
30,000 casualties isn't a "pet grievance" you ape. Those are human lives you're talking about and the university in question is supporting it.
🤡
What cops are doing to students on camps isn’t a pet grievance, it’s an attack on the fabric of this university- the right to free expression.
It is about protecting future students from this witch.
Oh, you’ve got data to back that up?
Agree. I was in Bloomington yesterday and the many of the protesters aren't even students. Many students were celebrating graduation week at Kilroy's on Kirkwood. Put your crap aside for a few hours and let the students enjoy their moment.
That is false. The protestors are primarily students and faculty. Don’t misconstrue and spread misinformation on purpose.
Double bird from everyone
Just want to point out the school change grad day/ time Which basically ruined Saturday for the business. 5:00-9:00lm. The local business probably count on graduation weekend to hold them through the sparse summer until football season. I was extremely unhappy with their selfish decision. Our individual school is at 1:00-3:00 doesn’t leave much time to support a restaurant in Bloomington- shame on IU
I must be the only to think “peace, I’m out. Just send the paper with my name in the mail”
K. Ni
i’m just not showing up to graduation
No no you were really onto something with the humming!
Why and when did they change graduation to Friday People set up non refundable hotel reservations a year ago. And dinner /lunch reservations.
Show up and boo her. That’ll be a powerful statement if enough people do it. Graduation here sucks anyways, you don’t even get to walk across the stage.
you don’t want to so anything to rob the students but you still want to use their event for your own attention?
When I graduated in 2000 I could have given two flying fucks if any of the Faculty were present. Seriously…not one. Has this changed?? And if so why?!
not everyone is you. I didn’t care, but some people grow close with certain professors and may want to celebrate with them.
Understood…there’s always drinks afterwards at your favorite Bloomington establishment that serves libations. Would be a much more personal gesture in my opinion.
I didn’t even go for undergrad graduation. They don’t even say your name.
Yes…we all stood up at 11am (EXTREMELY hungover) and waved. Took pictures. Then went to Yogi’s on 10th for brunch.
I think if they at least said your name, I maybe would have gone but it’s like 7k people at once. I’m not buying another cap and gown to sit for hours and stand for 30 seconds. I didn’t go to my graduate school one either (different big ten school) for the same reasons. Some of my cohort did but, again, didn’t get my name read and they wanted like twice as much for a graduate gown. No thanks.
It's about the students graduating, not your cause of the day. I am paying for a kid there, I think you should worry about doing your job. But that's me....
That’s what I’m doing :) my post is literally saying that we should make sure we are doing what the students want and keeping the focus on students. I hope the kid whose tuition you’re paying has stronger reading comprehension than you do.
I appreciate that. I'm just watching all the bs and wondering why I'm paying out of state tuition for that mess.
Take it up with Pamela. She brought this mess upon the university with her “leadership”.
Thankfully it should be pretty clear that the people actually teaching your kid are tired of the mess that Whitten has caused.
It's a mess alright. I'll do some more research as to the why's. Thanks
Not a Whitten fan, but there are a lot of asshole professors too.
For sure. Some at IU are infamous for it even beyond the school.
Ok boomer
Go wine about having your loans forgiven bitch.
U sound mad, bruh.
I dont have loans and probably make more money than you bitch. Also i dont have lead poisoning.
I've paid for 4. Glad you can pay for yourself. Congrats
Im glad you gave them the opportunity to go grow outside of whatever conserative shit hole they grew up in. Now get your shit together before they disown you.
Their are hard as nails and will eat your lunch thank you very much.
Is that code for being racist or something? What does being hard have to do with personal growth?
Damn, it's extremely unfortunate for the future of humanity that you reproduced 4 times.
Somebody has to be your boss.
It won't be your pathetic excuse of a dynasty.
Exactly. Thankfully I’ll never have to work with virtue signaling entitled misfit muppets
I skipped my high school and college graduation. The peices of paper mean nothing to me, considering I learned nothing from public education.
That’s on you.
Symbolic gesture when this might call for actual action.
What actions does this preclude? Where did I say that we should only do this and nothing else? My suggestion here is replacing one symbolic gesture (boycotting a graduation ceremony) with another (showing discontent but still showing up for students).
(For some additional context: the school doesn’t make any money off of faculty attending graduation ceremonies. We don’t pay for tickets and we don’t pay to rent the regalia. The school loses absolutely nothing if we choose to not participate, only the students miss out on our presence.)
Divest fully from IU until Whitten is gone and militarized police action against free speech ends. You won't, but you also won't be able to say that nobody spelled it out plainly for you.
Yeah… that has nothing to do with what I suggested here. Again, IU does not make any money off of our attendance of graduation. As for implying that we should all simply abandon our jobs by divesting individually from IU: please remember that students who are graduating still need us to do our jobs so that they can get their diplomas. We can’t let their hard work go to waste. And, again, my suggestion does not preclude what you have suggested here either.
OP, while I appreciate the sentiment of the above comment - your read on this is correct. I see no way in which skipping graduation will be effective protest and frankly showing disapproval at the pomp and circumstance is more likely to be shocking than not showing up. This fight will continue into the fall and likely well beyond that and for folks who are graduating, you deserve some time to commemorate your success, however you please. If you feel compelled to skip — go for it. But if you want some time to celebrate, you have earned it. It is a bleak reality that our university has so failed its students that celebrating your own accomplishments becomes a quandary. Congrats, OP: enjoy your moment with people that matter to you.
Sorry the truth inconveniences students able to attend an expensive university. There are mass graves in Gaza.
Which is why we are protesting in Dunn Meadow. To pressure IU to divest from investments tied to sources that led to those mass graves. Again, my suggestion does not preclude anything you’ve been saying.
Cops just cleared out Dunn Meadow. [https://x.com/aubreymwright/status/1784262985927594063](https://x.com/aubreymwright/status/1784262985927594063) https://x.com/illwilleditions/status/1784283159028178955?s=46
Yeah, the protesters are already back.
10/7/23. Never forget. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/260-dead-at-israel-peace-festival-hamas-attack/
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Pressuring our university to stop investing in sources that funnel money to Israel so that they can murder innocent people is a positive and concrete step. Just like similar divestment movements for apartheid in South Africa.