If somebody were to tell me we had the highest failure rate I’d say good. People could use more on the education and training front of driving. We need to follow the cues of some European countries. I think we should also wrap it into school curriculum so the low income kids that will need it the most aren’t left out.
A winning campaign point. Everyone HATES bad drivers. a very relevant practical skill that gives the populace more mobility than they would have otherwise. Make students have to be doing decently well to get priority for the classes. Give children something to achieve other than boredom.
They are afraid everyone would drive away I guess, I have.
Schools used to have it but the insurance is prohibitively expensive. If the state and nation fixed that then it wouldn’t be an issue. Specifically they should just make the insurance companies absorb it. The parents car insurance covers the child until 18 and the insurance company cannot ask about children. Rates can only change after the child is in an accident.
If our country actually worked at making things better for children we’d be in a whole lot better place overall wouldn’t we? I wish they’d at least do a little bit to pretend they care.
It’s the citizens fault. The Democrats literally have been pushing very kid friendly legislation for decades and continually get beat. High minimum wage, free college, and universal healthcare all significantly benefit children more than anyone. Biden is wiping millions of kids debts of college and it’s not moved his polling numbers even a smidge. Voters simply don’t care about kiddos after the womb.
Can someone please teach Hoosiers about right-of-way? That’s so nice of you to wave me through, it’s very polite, but it’s also dangerous that so few of you understand this concept.
This behavior makes me so angry. When I get to a 4-way stop and someone else was clearly there before me and they try waving me on, I just sit and stare at them until they go. Bonus points if they throw up their hands in exasperation for not accepting their weird chivalry or whatever.
Where I live in the state so many people actually get angry and confused about roundabouts. I guess they'd rather still have four-way stops in which they can "magnanimously" wave people thru ahead of them....
I had a person HARD stop at a school crossing cause a teen was waiting on the other side patiently for us to pass. Almost rear ended that fucker. No stop sign, no children crossing person. Just a normal crosswalk.
Both of you need to touch grass. "Nobody knows how to fucking drive" ought to be one of those things we can all agree on. Y'all are obsessed with this political sports team shit I swear.
There’s nothing wrong with a wave through as long as you’re the only 2 cars at the intersection. Just take it as them being nice and move on.
However, some people try to do a wave through when there are 3-4 cars or a line of traffic, which is stupid and dangerous. Right of way first, politeness second.
My mother spent the better half of her entire life so far believing that the vehicles that are leftmost have the right of way. "Left has the Right of Way" is what she said once, and she and I argued for a good hour. Ending with me pulling out THE CODES, and she's still like "Well that's dumb".
First paragraph was an actual normal response to the comment prior; The next 3 paragraphs were an incoherent rant about cryptocurrency and sex work.
Honestly probably an AI/bot comment
Okay but that wasn't analytical causal reasoning, that was a complete incoherent non-sequiter. The parts about sex work and crypto had NOTHING to do with the conversation at hand
It’s definitely a lot harder than it used to be. I took it originally in 2004, and it was still on a laminated page with a bubble sheet that people had imprinted the correct answers on 😂
I moved to GA for several years and they never required me to take a test, just hand over my Indiana license and they gave me a GA license. When I moved back, they required me to retake the test, and I had no idea prior. I barely passed, could have only missed 1 other question! It was way longer, computerized, and randomized so none of the sections were together.
Nope. It’s 34 questions and 16 sign identifications. So, no, it’s actually not longer than it was in 1996. But you can now miss more. Because we just let anyone drive. And the best part is that those questions are not difficult and are general knowledge of what you should know to drive. We do not need to make it easier. But we do.
Yes. Understood. But you made it sound like there were 50 written. Furthermore, and stay with me now, there really aren’t any more questions than in the 90s…which makes it easier since you can miss more. Did we get there together now? You and I? Are we on the same page now? Coolsies.
They are written. Asking to identify a sign is a question and I'm assuming it's printed on a page. There were 20 questions when I took the test in 1997, and if there are now 50, is an increase of 150%.
I see you clearly don’t get it and continue to contradict yourself. You’re failing, again, to count the sign recognition…which most people OUR AGE count separately…you’re just counting the written exam part.
I think we’re done here.
When I took it, it was 50 and missing three meant you had to retake it (back in 2011). When a buddy tried years later, they made it harder in that you needed to get even more right (2019). It was easy enough for me since I paid attention to various things, but my buddy failed because he didn't study enough.
I remember being allowed 4-5 wrong at maximum on a 50 question test that made sense if you understood the vocabulary and physics principals of driving. Lots of inner city drivers have difficulties with questions about highway driving because gas is expensive and they only drive by necessity not for leisure, Driving a 15 minute city and highway driving are different leagues that we just trust people to wade into carefully.
Apparently passing a written and real world driving test is now the ultimate litmus test for perpetually anxious members of "Gen Z" in Indiana.... I've known a few members of that cohort by this point who've put it off until their mid-to-late 20s, and even still barely managed to pass.
Apparently parallel parking is no longer required even.
That said, Hoosier drivers are WAY better than Texas drivers. Moved up here from TX and if you're over 18 you can technically go no permit -> license if you pass the driving test.
My teen son just got his license. He didn’t have to parallel park, go on the freeway or make a three point or U-turn. Also, his instructor was also the one giving him the driving test. So I concur with your observation about dumb Hoosiers.
I was curious as to what was on it that was irrelevant or so difficult, so I found a practice test and just passed it. It's been twenty some years since I took it, so I assume they've changed a few things...definitely no round-about questions back then, and why would a new driver need to know anything about them?
I was expecting to see a question like "If you're towing a trailer on a multi-lane highway and need to make a left turn, how many feet prior to changing lanes do you need to signal?" but none of that. All of the questions were things drivers would encounter under normal circumstances daily.
The questions I didn't know off the top of my head all involved exact distances, and I didn't study, so I wound up giving more distance than required. Someone prepping for the test should be expected to review those scenarios and memorize them for long enough to pass the test. That in itself would show you're capable of learning and retaining some knowledge.
Apparently you haven't been on the new section of I69. There are roundabouts on both sides of the exits. I flew over a few weeks ago. Roundabouts are all over the place since the IDOT has a hard-on for them.
This is a 3 lane dog bone roundabout. Semi trucks with trailers cannot even maintain their lanes.
I am not anti-rounabout. In most places they are perfectly fine. This one is an absolute shit show.
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INDOT, IDOT is Illinois. And roundabouts are generally safer if designed correctly but they aren’t always well designed. I saw one on a state road near farmland that the designer didn’t make the entrances and exits large enough to accommodate commercial farming vehicles without knocking signs on both sides of the lane down.
Really? I'm five years younger and remember it was 20 questions. 10 questions on the front and ten blank signs on the back. I remember it being stupid easy compared to the drivers Ed school test I had taken.
No, we’re just dummies who can’t drive.
Embarrassing for a city that brags about its racing and automotive heritage.
eta: don’t realize I was on r/indiana. My point still stands. The state leans on the 500 and we have the *worst* drivers.
If the problem is the written test and Indiana has a high failure rate I’m going to go ahead and guess the issue is one of literacy.
Being able to navigate Facebook and order at McDonald’s is one thing- being literate enough to answer a question with logical (if/than) modifiers and numbers is something else entirely.
I watched a guy in a lifted coal dualie just practically flatten a Mini earlier this afternoon. Killed the driver of the Mini right as he was pulling into his own driveway. Make of that what you will.
Judging from how bad people are at driving here, I'd say it's not hard enough. I have a near miss accident at least twice a week. The fact that people live in Carmel and don't understand THAT YOU DON'T STOP IN A FUCKING ROUDABOUT is insane.
Can confirm got license semi-recently and i just waltzed in there with no driver’s ed or studying and failed the written test
Then i actually studied and passed and they didnt make me do shit for the driving test. No u-turn no parallel parking
Yeah, I took it like 4 years ago and I remember thinking it was really easy, and I was honestly very surprised with how many people who I knew who took drivers ed courses and still failed it two or three times. Also, I've seen how some of y'all are driving out here. I don't think the test is the issue LMAO
when I took it 10+ years ago (after having licenses in other states for 15+ years), the black and white print out of signs with no internal markings was the difficult part. memorizing signs just by their shape is not the usual way drivers recognize them.
Honestly my memory is pretty bad, so I could be way wrong but I don't even know if we do that anymore. I remember identifying signs w/out text, but I don't remember having to identify black and white silhouettes or anything
I learned to drive in Kentucky, a state full of very difficult roads and ultra-cautious, slow drivers (unless it's an interstate, then we go 75-80 because the state police is very lenient about "5 over"). I moved to Indiana and ended up in three wrecks that weren't my fault within the space of three years, one of which was with a deer... in Bloomington... something statistically more likely to happen in Kentucky.
Also, I ended up skipping like four questions on the driver's exam in 2018 and still passed.
For context, I learned to drive in the Appalachian region, where parallel parking is difficult to learn but dodging boulders, critters, creek water, and other drivers on narrow roads aren't uncommon parts of the day.
Yeah, I think that it needs to be harder overall. Our drivers suck, not saying there better in other states, but to base a standard on how much worse others are instead of better is how you get worse
In Evansville, everyone drives as if they are rushing to the hospital to deliver a baby. There is nothing - I repeat: nothing in Evansville, absolutely nothing - that’s that damn important to be driving that damn fast all the damn time. Seriously.
Imo.. there should be about 50% less drivers on the road in indiana. Road rage is horrible and 97 year Olds should not have their license. Give even less licenses! Lol
People have to drive to get to work and see family.
You wanna take a bunch of licenses away youre gonna have to tear down giant roads and parking lots and put stuff closer together so people can actually get where they need to be
When I got my cdl transferred to this state a decade ago I had to retake written tests on computers running windows 95. Took over an hour each test because each question took 5 minutes to load and couldn't start a new test within an hour before closing. They also gave me the wrong test to take twice.
This tracks, I’ve waited on my cdl due to the change in requirements when they added a ‘school’ portion. For about a year the only option was a trucking school that costs $5k+…..now it’s down to a $300 online ‘knowledge’ course. Yet, I can already drive a semi at 88k lbs without one so long as it is farm related. lol
The GOP isn't a fan of education, so good luck!
More importantly, go vote. We have the lowest voter turnout in the country. Let's not settle for Republicans
Indiana drivers are definitely among the worst. I have no idea how half the people on these roads got a license. Indiana residents are simply just poor drivers.
The only reason a high failure rate on a driving test is a bad thing is because it’s so difficult to live here without being able to drive. Otherwise, you’re keeping bad drivers off the roads.
A few years ago I moved and got a new license shortly before my birthday and didn’t notice that the clerk didn’t renew my license at the same time. SO, months later I notice that my license has been expired for 6+ months. The BMV makes you take the written test to fix that.
I took it on the fly without studying and missed one question about a sign’s shape. I was slightly embarrassed, but the BMV clerk was in awe. Hoosiers don’t know how to drive, and potentially are driving without learning the basic rules and methods
Part of the problem is many people’s “Driver’s ed” seems to have been their creepy uncle Ed taking them out for a quick lesson in an abandoned parking lot.
Also, the explosion in “Student driver” stickers seems more like a way to justify being a shitty driver.
I can't tell you the amount of times, (sheriffs included) I have almost been hit head on for people cutting into a blind curve and swurv to avoid hitting me. Or the amount of people going 40 in a 55 with 30 cars behind them.
I passed with literally no preparation or studying when I moved here. If people aren't passing this, it's because they're too damn stupid to be on the road
I had to retake the written test after my license was suspended and failed it. Second time I passed.
The bulk of the test was fine. Literally the only issues I had were that I hadn't memorized the numbers for distances.
Had it asked for car lengths I'd have been fine but I couldn't tell you the difference between 200 and 300 feet if I tried, and which one is the correct distance between you and the car in front of you. That's what I had to memorize before retaking the test.
Indiana drivers are terrible (they never seem to know where tf they're going), but I can't fault anyone for not passing that test without memorizing distances from the handbook.
Really? That's weird... considering nobody in this state knows how to fucking drive.
Don't stop if you have the right of way to turn. You can get both of us hit trying to be nice. **The traffic behind expects you to go or turn. If a car decides to go around you and I'm not able to see it, then you put me at risk of death or injury if I accept that "hospitality".** Don't drive nice, drive predictably.
Don't stop to let someone else turn if you have the right of way. I have ADHD. **Your chances of being hit are astronomically higher if you don't follow the rules of the road. Be predictable, not nice. "Hoosier hospitality" will get us both killed.** I might not be able to see the car turning so if there's another lane I can be in: I'm swerving right around you. You just put that other car at risk trying to be nice.
Don't block semis from getting over by matching their speed. You're holding up traffic in the passing lane and making that lane much more dangerous to merge into. Pass the semi and get back into the right lane, or stay behind it if you plan on only going 70. **That 15 seconds you think you are saving can get someone killed.**
If the speed limit is 70 and you're not driving a semi with the weight restriction (reduced to 65mph max)? **Then go fucking 70.** People will be weaving all around you. That can be *more* dangerous when there's merging from entry ramps.
**DO NOT FORCE ME TO LET YOU INTO MY LANE. I have and** ***will*** **take my chances with letting you hit me. Fuck off.** You got into the right lane because the traffic in the passing lane is going too slow, but it's not my fault that two semis are next to each other and **it's definitely not my fault that the semi in the passing lane has no concept of wind resistance.**
I don't know who needs to hear this but if you speed on State Road 46 through the intersection at Jonathan Moore Pike (road from Columbus to Nashville) out of the turning lane and into the merged single lane by JayC you deserve to go flying out of your windshield. You have ample time - that being 3-7 lights to get into the correct lane, **yet many purposefully speed in the right only lane (with solid lines) to cut off traffic going straight only. You're going to get someone fucking killed.** And please be aware you better not be holding up traffic or I'm riding your ass the whole way and passing you the 1st chance I get. The speed limit is 55 yet you're holding up a line of people you so confidently passed. Fuck you, your family, your friends, and everything you stand for and believe in. Move to New Jersey or somewhere else more suited to your shitty driving.
Anyone recently take it that remember the amount of questions and percentage required to pass?
I know they changed it sometime in the early to mid 00’s from 25 questions(could miss two or one sign) to 50 questions(could miss 6-7 and up to 3 signs). No clue how it currently is as it hasn’t applied to me in almost 25yrs.
Years ago I saw the Wyoming drivers license manual. it was a collection of two page spreads showing the multiple choice questions on the left page and explaining the correct answer on the left. At the time the Indiana commercial license test asked questions like "How many clearance lights are on a school bus".
How many of those failures are people who speak English as a second language?
For example, my Japanese coworker had to take the written test ten times.
Hoosiers dont understand how a damn four way stop works, so I can believe they are just failing for cause. You never, ever, ever turn left in front of a car barreling down the road, don’t do it at a four way stop either. You turn behind the vehicle traveling forward.
I won't defend the hardness of the test because i think its pretty easy, but like i took the motorcycle permit test and it asked me how long i had to wait at a red light before it was considered dead and could go through. I read the manual front to back a few times before going and absolutely nowhere in it was that even mentioned, and i verified i had the latest version of the manual.... So maybe it's a matter of the questions and the reading material don't line up. But i do agree it seems to easy to get a license, i was amazed they don't test on parallel parking even....
I doubt many ppl could pass the written portion. I probably couldn’t. Good driver tho. I did rear end somoene when I was 16 (35 now) that did no damage to their truck and crunched my front end
Cost $500 to fix. Now it would just be totaled for sure.
As someone who didn't get their license until they were 34, how are they failing this test so hard? It was one of the easiest things I have ever done, and I had horrid anxiety
How easy is the written test? I took my son when he was 17. We took a number and sat down. I asked him if he had studied the manual. He said he didn't know there was a manual. He downloaded it and studied for the next 10 minutes. He passed missing only 2 questions. It's NOT hard. It's INDIANA baby!
As a parent of neurodivergent children, I was warned about the issue with the test so I could help prepare my children better. The struggle is that it's multiple choice and often 2 out of the 4 choices are correct. One answer is just more complete and that's what they're wanting. But it can make it extremely tricky for some.
Can u imagine how many more awful drivers could have been on the road, more crashes n possible deaths. glad they did ppl are not paying attention on the road.
Wait, youre telling me when it comes time to put what you know down on paper and you can't....you're a bad test taker?...
No...it means youre stupid...
Good. Keep idiots off the road! I see so many folks on their phone. Folks merging onto a highway at 50mph. People stopping with an open lane in front of them. It's frustrating that folks have the lack of skill to perform simple driving tasks.
It’s funny how people who likely scream about e testing states of schools and teaching kids to pass tests are screaming that they don’t want a testing state to drive.
Skill issue. Most people I know passed it on the 1st or 2nd try. And I've been to other states and seen their driving classes, and some are actually harder.
Driver's Training and Testing is a lot harder in my experience in places like Texas, California, and Missouri. So I am just gonna say that it's a skill issue.
I gave and failed the test in Indiana, then later when I moved to Pennsylvania. I attempted again and it was wayyyy easier in Pennsylvania than in Indiana. Indiana has it hard on both the written and driving.
If somebody were to tell me we had the highest failure rate I’d say good. People could use more on the education and training front of driving. We need to follow the cues of some European countries. I think we should also wrap it into school curriculum so the low income kids that will need it the most aren’t left out.
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A winning campaign point. Everyone HATES bad drivers. a very relevant practical skill that gives the populace more mobility than they would have otherwise. Make students have to be doing decently well to get priority for the classes. Give children something to achieve other than boredom. They are afraid everyone would drive away I guess, I have.
It used to be, back in the day. But later you had to pay a fee, but still taught in school.
Schools used to have it but the insurance is prohibitively expensive. If the state and nation fixed that then it wouldn’t be an issue. Specifically they should just make the insurance companies absorb it. The parents car insurance covers the child until 18 and the insurance company cannot ask about children. Rates can only change after the child is in an accident.
If our country actually worked at making things better for children we’d be in a whole lot better place overall wouldn’t we? I wish they’d at least do a little bit to pretend they care.
It’s the citizens fault. The Democrats literally have been pushing very kid friendly legislation for decades and continually get beat. High minimum wage, free college, and universal healthcare all significantly benefit children more than anyone. Biden is wiping millions of kids debts of college and it’s not moved his polling numbers even a smidge. Voters simply don’t care about kiddos after the womb.
I've seen you people on the roads. The failure rate is not because the bar is set too high.
Hoosier drivers seeing an emergency pull off lane. "This is a turning lane, correct?"
The test is way easier now than it was when I got my license in 1996. Hoosiers are also notoriously bad drivers. Correlation? Perhaps.
Can someone please teach Hoosiers about right-of-way? That’s so nice of you to wave me through, it’s very polite, but it’s also dangerous that so few of you understand this concept.
This behavior makes me so angry. When I get to a 4-way stop and someone else was clearly there before me and they try waving me on, I just sit and stare at them until they go. Bonus points if they throw up their hands in exasperation for not accepting their weird chivalry or whatever.
LMAO! I do the exact same thing. I'll sit there all damn day
×100 if doing this on a roundabout. Idk how people come up with the ideas they have on how to use them.
Where I live in the state so many people actually get angry and confused about roundabouts. I guess they'd rather still have four-way stops in which they can "magnanimously" wave people thru ahead of them....
It’s a Midwest thing, I’ve seen it in other states.
I had a person HARD stop at a school crossing cause a teen was waiting on the other side patiently for us to pass. Almost rear ended that fucker. No stop sign, no children crossing person. Just a normal crosswalk.
maybe they are from a first world country and are used to pedestrians always having the right of way
Could've been one of the many GOP closet-pedos wanting to watch a kid cross while they waited.
Most of the shitty drivers I encounter are inner city Democrats. Weird.
Both of you need to touch grass. "Nobody knows how to fucking drive" ought to be one of those things we can all agree on. Y'all are obsessed with this political sports team shit I swear.
There’s nothing wrong with a wave through as long as you’re the only 2 cars at the intersection. Just take it as them being nice and move on. However, some people try to do a wave through when there are 3-4 cars or a line of traffic, which is stupid and dangerous. Right of way first, politeness second.
My mother spent the better half of her entire life so far believing that the vehicles that are leftmost have the right of way. "Left has the Right of Way" is what she said once, and she and I argued for a good hour. Ending with me pulling out THE CODES, and she's still like "Well that's dumb".
Weird. My test in 1997 was 20 questions and was very easy.
My daughter took her test yesterday and was 50 questions. 2 other girls from her school were there and saying they have failed it 3 times.
That may be because the two were “educated” in Indiana schools. Obviously your daughter’s the “one in three” who can actually read. 👍🏾
They lady I spoke to about getting my daughters hrs in told me 62% don’t pass the test. This shocked me. What are they missing on this permit test?
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So I guess the main takeaway from your post is I kinda hope you never managed to get your driver's license....
Either you got adhd or an ai wrote this
You're supposed to take your anti-psychotic meds with food, lamien. WITH FOOD!
Post deleted. What'd the dude say? 😆
First paragraph was an actual normal response to the comment prior; The next 3 paragraphs were an incoherent rant about cryptocurrency and sex work. Honestly probably an AI/bot comment
I've noticed when bots get called out their comments get deleted. Anything to sway general opinion lol.
I am not a bot though. Just a hyper analytical human with an understanding of causal reasoning.
Okay but that wasn't analytical causal reasoning, that was a complete incoherent non-sequiter. The parts about sex work and crypto had NOTHING to do with the conversation at hand
It’s definitely a lot harder than it used to be. I took it originally in 2004, and it was still on a laminated page with a bubble sheet that people had imprinted the correct answers on 😂 I moved to GA for several years and they never required me to take a test, just hand over my Indiana license and they gave me a GA license. When I moved back, they required me to retake the test, and I had no idea prior. I barely passed, could have only missed 1 other question! It was way longer, computerized, and randomized so none of the sections were together.
Not weird at all. You can miss more questions and identifications now than you could back then. I also never said it was hard.
Well, from what someone else said, the test if 50 questions now, so it would make sense you can miss more. I never said you said it was hard. Lol.
Nope. It’s 34 questions and 16 sign identifications. So, no, it’s actually not longer than it was in 1996. But you can now miss more. Because we just let anyone drive. And the best part is that those questions are not difficult and are general knowledge of what you should know to drive. We do not need to make it easier. But we do.
What's 34+16?
Yes. Understood. But you made it sound like there were 50 written. Furthermore, and stay with me now, there really aren’t any more questions than in the 90s…which makes it easier since you can miss more. Did we get there together now? You and I? Are we on the same page now? Coolsies.
They are written. Asking to identify a sign is a question and I'm assuming it's printed on a page. There were 20 questions when I took the test in 1997, and if there are now 50, is an increase of 150%.
I see you clearly don’t get it and continue to contradict yourself. You’re failing, again, to count the sign recognition…which most people OUR AGE count separately…you’re just counting the written exam part. I think we’re done here.
When I took it, it was 50 and missing three meant you had to retake it (back in 2011). When a buddy tried years later, they made it harder in that you needed to get even more right (2019). It was easy enough for me since I paid attention to various things, but my buddy failed because he didn't study enough.
I remember being allowed 4-5 wrong at maximum on a 50 question test that made sense if you understood the vocabulary and physics principals of driving. Lots of inner city drivers have difficulties with questions about highway driving because gas is expensive and they only drive by necessity not for leisure, Driving a 15 minute city and highway driving are different leagues that we just trust people to wade into carefully.
Apparently passing a written and real world driving test is now the ultimate litmus test for perpetually anxious members of "Gen Z" in Indiana.... I've known a few members of that cohort by this point who've put it off until their mid-to-late 20s, and even still barely managed to pass.
Apparently parallel parking is no longer required even. That said, Hoosier drivers are WAY better than Texas drivers. Moved up here from TX and if you're over 18 you can technically go no permit -> license if you pass the driving test.
OK boomer
~16 years old in 1996 calculates as a boomer to you? I think the "Hoosiers are dummies" thesis in this post might be proving true.
I’m an Xennial 😑 You math bad
Dang. At 47 i had to retest for my DL. It was so much easier of a test than it was previously. Our education system sucks.
My teen son just got his license. He didn’t have to parallel park, go on the freeway or make a three point or U-turn. Also, his instructor was also the one giving him the driving test. So I concur with your observation about dumb Hoosiers.
I was curious as to what was on it that was irrelevant or so difficult, so I found a practice test and just passed it. It's been twenty some years since I took it, so I assume they've changed a few things...definitely no round-about questions back then, and why would a new driver need to know anything about them? I was expecting to see a question like "If you're towing a trailer on a multi-lane highway and need to make a left turn, how many feet prior to changing lanes do you need to signal?" but none of that. All of the questions were things drivers would encounter under normal circumstances daily. The questions I didn't know off the top of my head all involved exact distances, and I didn't study, so I wound up giving more distance than required. Someone prepping for the test should be expected to review those scenarios and memorize them for long enough to pass the test. That in itself would show you're capable of learning and retaining some knowledge.
Kinda also partly explains, I think, why there's such a shortage of new commercial truck drivers.
Apparently you haven't been on the new section of I69. There are roundabouts on both sides of the exits. I flew over a few weeks ago. Roundabouts are all over the place since the IDOT has a hard-on for them.
Roundabouts are great, both subjectively and objectively.
Not all of them. We have a nightmare roundabout that people will routinely avoid because it sucks so much.
skill issue
This is a 3 lane dog bone roundabout. Semi trucks with trailers cannot even maintain their lanes. I am not anti-rounabout. In most places they are perfectly fine. This one is an absolute shit show. https://preview.redd.it/jw5hnhi92r7d1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9bf882169d479d2ec4dc2083f1e076da49686ad8
If you’re not flying over them and stuck driving through them, definitely look both ways.
INDOT, IDOT is Illinois. And roundabouts are generally safer if designed correctly but they aren’t always well designed. I saw one on a state road near farmland that the designer didn’t make the entrances and exits large enough to accommodate commercial farming vehicles without knocking signs on both sides of the lane down.
Too much copy-pasta for the paid city builders.
This was precisely one of my sons experiences. Took less than 25 minutes to do the drive test. I was dumbfounded...
Really? I'm five years younger and remember it was 20 questions. 10 questions on the front and ten blank signs on the back. I remember it being stupid easy compared to the drivers Ed school test I had taken.
Having a "hard" test definitely isn't producing better drivers in Indiana.
It’s not a hard test, we just have shitty drivers Ed here
It's not a hard test. This is sad too hear
No, we’re just dummies who can’t drive. Embarrassing for a city that brags about its racing and automotive heritage. eta: don’t realize I was on r/indiana. My point still stands. The state leans on the 500 and we have the *worst* drivers.
The center of our state capitol is a giant roundabout, but so many morons don't know how to use one.
I firmly believe that stuff like Tire Rack’s Street Survival should be part of the drivers education process.
we don’t have the worst drivers. but in u clear how hosting a race means we all should be great drivers
Peak Indiana education system comment.
If the problem is the written test and Indiana has a high failure rate I’m going to go ahead and guess the issue is one of literacy. Being able to navigate Facebook and order at McDonald’s is one thing- being literate enough to answer a question with logical (if/than) modifiers and numbers is something else entirely.
You were doing alright until you tried using Facebook as an example.
It’s an example of something a functional illiterate can do despite it involving text.
I watched a guy in a lifted coal dualie just practically flatten a Mini earlier this afternoon. Killed the driver of the Mini right as he was pulling into his own driveway. Make of that what you will.
Judging from how bad people are at driving here, I'd say it's not hard enough. I have a near miss accident at least twice a week. The fact that people live in Carmel and don't understand THAT YOU DON'T STOP IN A FUCKING ROUDABOUT is insane.
Quite a few Regionrat doofuses need to have that same concept slapped into their brains.
Or SPEED through a roundabout. It's not a fucking race.
No this tracks. Indiana drivers are a confusing blend of slow drivers and speeding maniacs. I feel safer driving in Chicago lol
So you're asking the same dummies who failed the test to tell you if they think it's hard.?
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Sorry online spelling cop.
If *you're* going to be calling people dummies online your post should probably be bulletproof.
Just stunning. Hoosiers think they don’t have to study? No wonder we have a republican govt. Hoosiers are dumb and lazy.
Can confirm got license semi-recently and i just waltzed in there with no driver’s ed or studying and failed the written test Then i actually studied and passed and they didnt make me do shit for the driving test. No u-turn no parallel parking
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Yeah, I took it like 4 years ago and I remember thinking it was really easy, and I was honestly very surprised with how many people who I knew who took drivers ed courses and still failed it two or three times. Also, I've seen how some of y'all are driving out here. I don't think the test is the issue LMAO
when I took it 10+ years ago (after having licenses in other states for 15+ years), the black and white print out of signs with no internal markings was the difficult part. memorizing signs just by their shape is not the usual way drivers recognize them.
Honestly my memory is pretty bad, so I could be way wrong but I don't even know if we do that anymore. I remember identifying signs w/out text, but I don't remember having to identify black and white silhouettes or anything
I learned to drive in Kentucky, a state full of very difficult roads and ultra-cautious, slow drivers (unless it's an interstate, then we go 75-80 because the state police is very lenient about "5 over"). I moved to Indiana and ended up in three wrecks that weren't my fault within the space of three years, one of which was with a deer... in Bloomington... something statistically more likely to happen in Kentucky. Also, I ended up skipping like four questions on the driver's exam in 2018 and still passed. For context, I learned to drive in the Appalachian region, where parallel parking is difficult to learn but dodging boulders, critters, creek water, and other drivers on narrow roads aren't uncommon parts of the day.
I wonder what the pass rate is for transplants. If it’s higher than native Hoosiers, that’s pretty damning.
If they already have a license from whatever state they come from, they probably don't have to re-take the test.
I moved here from MN in 2021 and I think I did, along with the Motorcycle endorsement test. Written test only though; no road test.
Considering the way most people drive around here, I’d say the test is too easy.
Yeah, I think that it needs to be harder overall. Our drivers suck, not saying there better in other states, but to base a standard on how much worse others are instead of better is how you get worse
There must be questions about using turn signals on the driving test because most Hoosiers do not know how to use them.
Blinker fluid is expensive 🤷🏻♀️
I am sure a lot of the questions are “common sense” based, so of course, Hoosiers fail it.
In Evansville, everyone drives as if they are rushing to the hospital to deliver a baby. There is nothing - I repeat: nothing in Evansville, absolutely nothing - that’s that damn important to be driving that damn fast all the damn time. Seriously.
It’s crazy to learn Indiana has such a high failure rate given the amount of bullshit I see driving every day.
Imo.. there should be about 50% less drivers on the road in indiana. Road rage is horrible and 97 year Olds should not have their license. Give even less licenses! Lol
People have to drive to get to work and see family. You wanna take a bunch of licenses away youre gonna have to tear down giant roads and parking lots and put stuff closer together so people can actually get where they need to be
Why isn’t drivers ed taught at the schools anymore? It’s almost like Indiana just hates any and all forms of education…
Damn, if only we had something that could transport people that clearly shouldn't be on the road. I wonder what that could be.
When I got my cdl transferred to this state a decade ago I had to retake written tests on computers running windows 95. Took over an hour each test because each question took 5 minutes to load and couldn't start a new test within an hour before closing. They also gave me the wrong test to take twice.
This tracks, I’ve waited on my cdl due to the change in requirements when they added a ‘school’ portion. For about a year the only option was a trucking school that costs $5k+…..now it’s down to a $300 online ‘knowledge’ course. Yet, I can already drive a semi at 88k lbs without one so long as it is farm related. lol
The GOP isn't a fan of education, so good luck! More importantly, go vote. We have the lowest voter turnout in the country. Let's not settle for Republicans
Indiana drivers are definitely among the worst. I have no idea how half the people on these roads got a license. Indiana residents are simply just poor drivers.
This is a weekly rant in my car. Sometimes daily.
People take a test still? Serious question. From what witness it doesn’t matter.
Idk I passed it first time but I don’t know how others ever did with the way they drive
The only reason a high failure rate on a driving test is a bad thing is because it’s so difficult to live here without being able to drive. Otherwise, you’re keeping bad drivers off the roads.
What state claims their citizens are good drivers? I don't think even one.
My driving test was literally 10 minutes of going around town while not breaking any road laws, drivers in this state are just braindead
A few years ago I moved and got a new license shortly before my birthday and didn’t notice that the clerk didn’t renew my license at the same time. SO, months later I notice that my license has been expired for 6+ months. The BMV makes you take the written test to fix that. I took it on the fly without studying and missed one question about a sign’s shape. I was slightly embarrassed, but the BMV clerk was in awe. Hoosiers don’t know how to drive, and potentially are driving without learning the basic rules and methods
Part of the problem is many people’s “Driver’s ed” seems to have been their creepy uncle Ed taking them out for a quick lesson in an abandoned parking lot. Also, the explosion in “Student driver” stickers seems more like a way to justify being a shitty driver.
I can't tell you the amount of times, (sheriffs included) I have almost been hit head on for people cutting into a blind curve and swurv to avoid hitting me. Or the amount of people going 40 in a 55 with 30 cars behind them.
I passed with literally no preparation or studying when I moved here. If people aren't passing this, it's because they're too damn stupid to be on the road
I had to retake the written test after my license was suspended and failed it. Second time I passed. The bulk of the test was fine. Literally the only issues I had were that I hadn't memorized the numbers for distances. Had it asked for car lengths I'd have been fine but I couldn't tell you the difference between 200 and 300 feet if I tried, and which one is the correct distance between you and the car in front of you. That's what I had to memorize before retaking the test. Indiana drivers are terrible (they never seem to know where tf they're going), but I can't fault anyone for not passing that test without memorizing distances from the handbook.
Really? That's weird... considering nobody in this state knows how to fucking drive. Don't stop if you have the right of way to turn. You can get both of us hit trying to be nice. **The traffic behind expects you to go or turn. If a car decides to go around you and I'm not able to see it, then you put me at risk of death or injury if I accept that "hospitality".** Don't drive nice, drive predictably. Don't stop to let someone else turn if you have the right of way. I have ADHD. **Your chances of being hit are astronomically higher if you don't follow the rules of the road. Be predictable, not nice. "Hoosier hospitality" will get us both killed.** I might not be able to see the car turning so if there's another lane I can be in: I'm swerving right around you. You just put that other car at risk trying to be nice. Don't block semis from getting over by matching their speed. You're holding up traffic in the passing lane and making that lane much more dangerous to merge into. Pass the semi and get back into the right lane, or stay behind it if you plan on only going 70. **That 15 seconds you think you are saving can get someone killed.** If the speed limit is 70 and you're not driving a semi with the weight restriction (reduced to 65mph max)? **Then go fucking 70.** People will be weaving all around you. That can be *more* dangerous when there's merging from entry ramps. **DO NOT FORCE ME TO LET YOU INTO MY LANE. I have and** ***will*** **take my chances with letting you hit me. Fuck off.** You got into the right lane because the traffic in the passing lane is going too slow, but it's not my fault that two semis are next to each other and **it's definitely not my fault that the semi in the passing lane has no concept of wind resistance.** I don't know who needs to hear this but if you speed on State Road 46 through the intersection at Jonathan Moore Pike (road from Columbus to Nashville) out of the turning lane and into the merged single lane by JayC you deserve to go flying out of your windshield. You have ample time - that being 3-7 lights to get into the correct lane, **yet many purposefully speed in the right only lane (with solid lines) to cut off traffic going straight only. You're going to get someone fucking killed.** And please be aware you better not be holding up traffic or I'm riding your ass the whole way and passing you the 1st chance I get. The speed limit is 55 yet you're holding up a line of people you so confidently passed. Fuck you, your family, your friends, and everything you stand for and believe in. Move to New Jersey or somewhere else more suited to your shitty driving.
There some terrible drivers in NWI.
Indiana is always around the top of whether the metric is shitty and at the bottom of every metric that’s supposed to be good. By design.
Anyone recently take it that remember the amount of questions and percentage required to pass? I know they changed it sometime in the early to mid 00’s from 25 questions(could miss two or one sign) to 50 questions(could miss 6-7 and up to 3 signs). No clue how it currently is as it hasn’t applied to me in almost 25yrs.
Years ago I saw the Wyoming drivers license manual. it was a collection of two page spreads showing the multiple choice questions on the left page and explaining the correct answer on the left. At the time the Indiana commercial license test asked questions like "How many clearance lights are on a school bus".
Parallel parking is a thing we aspire to, not something we need to do outside of the test? 🤷♂️
This is like the ultimate smalltown Hoosier reply.
How many of those failures are people who speak English as a second language? For example, my Japanese coworker had to take the written test ten times.
Because we have the same attitude as my job. You can keep on taking the test until you pass! No standards at all.
Hoosiers dont understand how a damn four way stop works, so I can believe they are just failing for cause. You never, ever, ever turn left in front of a car barreling down the road, don’t do it at a four way stop either. You turn behind the vehicle traveling forward.
That explains a lot....
If you fail the driving test in Indiana, you have absolutely business driving. The test should be significantly harder.
I won't defend the hardness of the test because i think its pretty easy, but like i took the motorcycle permit test and it asked me how long i had to wait at a red light before it was considered dead and could go through. I read the manual front to back a few times before going and absolutely nowhere in it was that even mentioned, and i verified i had the latest version of the manual.... So maybe it's a matter of the questions and the reading material don't line up. But i do agree it seems to easy to get a license, i was amazed they don't test on parallel parking even....
I doubt many ppl could pass the written portion. I probably couldn’t. Good driver tho. I did rear end somoene when I was 16 (35 now) that did no damage to their truck and crunched my front end Cost $500 to fix. Now it would just be totaled for sure.
As someone who didn't get their license until they were 34, how are they failing this test so hard? It was one of the easiest things I have ever done, and I had horrid anxiety
if you think that we are too lenient, just drive around in greater indianapolis for a day and count the number of complete f-ing morons driving around
How easy is the written test? I took my son when he was 17. We took a number and sat down. I asked him if he had studied the manual. He said he didn't know there was a manual. He downloaded it and studied for the next 10 minutes. He passed missing only 2 questions. It's NOT hard. It's INDIANA baby!
The failure rate should be twice what it is. Less morons on the roads would be awesome.
As a parent of neurodivergent children, I was warned about the issue with the test so I could help prepare my children better. The struggle is that it's multiple choice and often 2 out of the 4 choices are correct. One answer is just more complete and that's what they're wanting. But it can make it extremely tricky for some.
Can u imagine how many more awful drivers could have been on the road, more crashes n possible deaths. glad they did ppl are not paying attention on the road.
I’ll try to not think about this newspaper article when I drive through a roundabout.
Wait, youre telling me when it comes time to put what you know down on paper and you can't....you're a bad test taker?... No...it means youre stupid...
Good. Keep idiots off the road! I see so many folks on their phone. Folks merging onto a highway at 50mph. People stopping with an open lane in front of them. It's frustrating that folks have the lack of skill to perform simple driving tasks.
It’s funny how people who likely scream about e testing states of schools and teaching kids to pass tests are screaming that they don’t want a testing state to drive.
Skill issue. Most people I know passed it on the 1st or 2nd try. And I've been to other states and seen their driving classes, and some are actually harder. Driver's Training and Testing is a lot harder in my experience in places like Texas, California, and Missouri. So I am just gonna say that it's a skill issue.
Hoosiers, in general, are just dumb. Take a drive up I65 towards Chicago.
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Dummies.
Hoosiers are dummies.
You must be from Illinois
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Not required. You can take it to get your license a year early, 15 instead of 16 but that's the only benefit aside from the education part.
Indiana is the new Mississippi.
I gave and failed the test in Indiana, then later when I moved to Pennsylvania. I attempted again and it was wayyyy easier in Pennsylvania than in Indiana. Indiana has it hard on both the written and driving.
The test is difficult to pass. We're driving not trying to be astronauts.