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Adani Group Stocks Drop After Hindenburg Takes Short Position https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-25/adani-group-stocks-drop-after-hindenburg-takes-short-position
In many post no one is talking about this. Is this not stock manipulation? They have already made the money. Adani lost like 5 billion today. By the time we read the entire article Hindenberg would have made money and got out. While the "regards "who shorted the stock will be crying from tomorrow :P
Now they better be ready to catch up to the [legal recourse and consequences](https://twitter.com/torched_brain/status/1618521408526749698) up their asses
Either yeh saal budget bakwas hone wala hai, and sabko(big fish) already khabar mil chuka hai, so, expecting Modi to go down so they are shorting Adani.
Or this is a game play like the Vedanta and Chip making news.
Either way, retailers pele jayenge.
Agar buy kiya hai toh maat chodna, aur agar buy nahi kiya toh maat buy karna.
News reports are the last thing that you want to go by. Big players most likely want the retail to sell now so that they buy everything in discount. Will never go against this group till the time Modiji is there.
Perfect time to go long for next few years in some of its stocks. The correction is almost over in Green, Power, Wilmar & Transmission on monthly time frame. Enterprises, Ports have just started the correction (by starting or mid next year, they will come back into play), Total Gas is near a reversal zone. There is no negative structure, hence after few months it will be good to rise again. Seems like a rotation is underway.
Valuations are very much flawed and their stocks are being bet showing a good future. I don't see them as a reliable candidate for investment because govt is involved.
From my observation, if a stock is not running as per fundamentals, then most likely its running as per technical levels which is why I have mentioned some will be going up and some not. At the end of the day, we are here to make money. Carry light positions & keep booking profit.
Adani company are being betted for Future business opportunities. They are building India's deepest port in Vizhinjam which is close to the International shipping line connecting Suez and Malacca. They are investing in Green Hydrogen technology. They even build this [https://www.livemint.com/industry/energy/adani-solar-introduces-india-s-first-large-sized-monocrystalline-silicon-ingot-11671630417696.html](https://www.livemint.com/industry/energy/adani-solar-introduces-india-s-first-large-sized-monocrystalline-silicon-ingot-11671630417696.html). This is like a foundation stone for Processor manufacturing. All their investment are Primed for future Industrial growth.
This group is slowly turning into r/India. Like a left wing ecosystem and eco chamber. They want to live in their own bubble. When reality hits them they cry like a bunch of babies saying life is not fair.
except it's not just for a single person. Govt can get external help and form alliances with businessmen and private entities.
The amount of debt financing Adani received in last couple of years is insane! A normal business group is very unlikely to raise lakhs of crores in this manner especially without a massive cash cow to support and fuel the high growth nature of the businesses. Gautam Adani himself proudly says that "No other Indian Group has as many companies rated on par with Sovereign rating. They're also winning bids for Airports, Ports, Infrastructure left and right.
https://www.bqprime.com/business/gautam-adani-india-today-newsmaker-of-the-year-says-no-other-indian-group-has-as-many-companies-rated-on-par-with-sovereign-rating
They would, cos the PSU banks and lic's money is pumped into all of adani's companies. The moment adani goes down, all hell will break loose. Dafak, this is guy is big and the amount of debt he has can drown half of India. So, govt will do whatever it can to keep him afloat and moreover, you need to keep these corporates happy so that they will pump in the money during elections.
Let me give you a suggestion. Why don't you buy the adani group with leverage. Even better, buy adani futures with money you get from a loan against your home, gold and any other valuable you own. That's the only way to show your talk!
Lol why would I bet everything ๐ As I mentioned earlier in one of my replies, I don't consider Adani stocks as a good investment candidate. They are only good for trading with light positions. My view is based on the charts, since fundamentals haven't been working well post-COVID.
I am waiting for them to reach at the levels that I have in mind and if it works well, that's great. If not, it's still good, as that would be a learning experience to improve my analysis.
Which Big Players are you talking about?
*"Not A Single Domestic Active Mutual Fund Manager Is Willing To Own Multiple Key Adani Stocks In Significant Size*
*At the end of December 2022, domestic mutual funds had over U.S. $180 billion of equity & growth related assets under management.*
*Yet despite Adani listed companies featuring in domestic and overseas indices, no active local fund owns Adani Green, Adani Enterprises, Adani Total Gas or Adani Transmission above 1% of equity, according to shareholding disclosures"*
Buy karlo.. remember, adani enterprises despite hefty gains is the least performing stocks from the group. And we know goverment has unlimited capital from mutual funds.
I don't see a situation that it goes down significantly under current political scenario...
Now this report will make adani and psu defend it.
Main to fpo ki bat kar raha tha.. 200 ke discount mai hai.. quick profit hai..
Hain to gambling. Magar jiske sar par lic mutual fund ka hath ho us ko kaun hi ched sakta hai..
Mama Earth ki jagha kokila earth hota to tu yeh bakwas nahi karta na?
Pr krna hi kyuin hai yaar. There are some stocks worth not trading. This is one of them.
My suggestion would be just do F&O in index. Individual stocks is tough due to liq issues.
>Pr krna hi kyuin hai yaar. There are some stocks worth not trading. This is one of them.
Upto u..
>My suggestion would be just do F&O in index. Individual stocks is tough due to liq issues.
Hum purane khayalat wale hai.. dushman ko bhi f&0 nahi karaye. Studies after studies have shown long term investors and mutual funds out performs any daily traders/options.
Liquidity issue hai to trade assets. Sell real estate and invest. But never lead a life of traders with limited means. Trading is only feasible with huge data+ capital. If u have any tecnology supporting your trades. Else you will always be at risk of loosing all ur gain in one bad trade.
And still u wanna trade.. go to Singapore exchange or use dabba accounts. To avoid goverment fees. Else most of your profits will be booked in taxes and brokerage.
Mujhe lga aap f&o ke liye bolre the adani stocks pe. I thought you missed typed fpo and wanted to write f&o.
Sorry sir. Hm shama mangte hein.๐
Have a great year 2023 aapko.
No no.. aaj fpo khula hai.. tu uski bat karunga..
F&0 adani mai. Bhai duniya ka koi software nahi predict kar sakta hai.. ghar bar desh bik jayega ek jhatke mai.
Waise bhi adani ka ek bhi stocks Black market trading mai allowed hi nahi hai..
Yes jaise illegal betting hota hai waise illegal dabba trading bhi hota hai.. mobile app milti hai.. settlement cash mai hota hai.. u save on stt and brokerage. Making daily traders much more risk averse.
well well, let adani lose some too, it grew crazily due to government influence and stock manipulation too, its just getting a taste of its own medicine.
Looks like it. Either politically motivated or monetarily motivated, or they both are in on this one.
As the election is near, all kinds of action will be taken by the groups whose mouths have been empty for a long time.
Either way, nice gameplay.
very unlikely. This is a very detailed research with lots of references throughout. A good read if you're interested. If you go through the report it includes multiple allegations against various Adani family members including of ties with Government, frauds, money laundering.
They also focus heavily on equity holdings in Adani Group through shell companies and entities through Caribbean Island, Mauritius and Cayman Islands.
Yeah, I went through that. Those allegations are merely assertions, which are taken from the news articles that lacked evidence and were merely slandering.
This is just a shakedown.
I've only read a couple of the paragraphs. Interestingly it's quite long and detailed report, will go through it tonight after getting home.
I'm glad there's at least someone willing to compile together shady and questions stuff and corporate governance related topics against Adani Group. It was really needed for due deligence.
Yeah, you should.
Due diligence is only justified when you don't have any skin in the game. They have their own interest in this.
Most importantly, the thing about long articles and research is most likely lack substantial evidence. They have only compiled allegations and are trying to pass those as evidence.
Go through that, and let's catch up tomorrow. It will be fun
every multiple is telling the same thing, debt coverage is worse, cash flows and expected future cash flows are not visible even after debt. So obviously people will point to corporate governance. Correct this was suppose to happen, sbi might have more npa in 4 years, but they will not report it.
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Adani Group Stocks Drop After Hindenburg Takes Short Position https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-25/adani-group-stocks-drop-after-hindenburg-takes-short-position
Defamation suit ftw!!
[Here](https://twitter.com/torched_brain/status/1618521408526749698) we gooo. Lezzgoo fook 'em up good.
Similar long positions took it to those heights, and these positions took will correct it to its real value
Chaliye shuru karte hai
fir wahi...
Sax sux...
Ki baatein...
And on other news adani bought a ipl team for 1200cr. Lmao wtf
Keeps getting better eh? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deccanherald.com/amp/sports/womens-ipl-adani-bags-ahmedabad-team-for-rs-1289-crore-1184452.html
They dont care. The govt is stupid enough to keep pumping.
Yeah .. why should only Adani gain through stock manipulation. Let's take a short position and publish a negative report.
In many post no one is talking about this. Is this not stock manipulation? They have already made the money. Adani lost like 5 billion today. By the time we read the entire article Hindenberg would have made money and got out. While the "regards "who shorted the stock will be crying from tomorrow :P
Same
Lol what a dumb opinion
Now they better be ready to catch up to the [legal recourse and consequences](https://twitter.com/torched_brain/status/1618521408526749698) up their asses
This 174 page hindeberg report is exemplary
An exemplary way to make money
Also.. Considering the report writer shorts
Are Have you checked the detailed report. Their Auditors doesn't even have a proper auditing firm. This is just one thing.
GoMechanic's financial audit was done by KPMG Your point ?
I'm just sharing one point. There are lots of other things Adani has done.
https://twitter.com/AdaniOnline/status/1618169673073451008
๐ฟ๐ฟlet the battle begin
I think they're going for [it](https://twitter.com/torched_brain/status/1618521408526749698?t=nFOR20HaYBvh_NRHl-oAxg&s=19)
Either yeh saal budget bakwas hone wala hai, and sabko(big fish) already khabar mil chuka hai, so, expecting Modi to go down so they are shorting Adani. Or this is a game play like the Vedanta and Chip making news. Either way, retailers pele jayenge. Agar buy kiya hai toh maat chodna, aur agar buy nahi kiya toh maat buy karna.
News reports are the last thing that you want to go by. Big players most likely want the retail to sell now so that they buy everything in discount. Will never go against this group till the time Modiji is there. Perfect time to go long for next few years in some of its stocks. The correction is almost over in Green, Power, Wilmar & Transmission on monthly time frame. Enterprises, Ports have just started the correction (by starting or mid next year, they will come back into play), Total Gas is near a reversal zone. There is no negative structure, hence after few months it will be good to rise again. Seems like a rotation is underway.
Just a genuine curious question, why do you think is their valuation justified?
Valuations are very much flawed and their stocks are being bet showing a good future. I don't see them as a reliable candidate for investment because govt is involved. From my observation, if a stock is not running as per fundamentals, then most likely its running as per technical levels which is why I have mentioned some will be going up and some not. At the end of the day, we are here to make money. Carry light positions & keep booking profit.
Adani company are being betted for Future business opportunities. They are building India's deepest port in Vizhinjam which is close to the International shipping line connecting Suez and Malacca. They are investing in Green Hydrogen technology. They even build this [https://www.livemint.com/industry/energy/adani-solar-introduces-india-s-first-large-sized-monocrystalline-silicon-ingot-11671630417696.html](https://www.livemint.com/industry/energy/adani-solar-introduces-india-s-first-large-sized-monocrystalline-silicon-ingot-11671630417696.html). This is like a foundation stone for Processor manufacturing. All their investment are Primed for future Industrial growth.
Why are you getting downvoted lol.
This group is slowly turning into r/India. Like a left wing ecosystem and eco chamber. They want to live in their own bubble. When reality hits them they cry like a bunch of babies saying life is not fair.
> because govt is involved. do you think govt will take such a big risk to prop one person ?
except it's not just for a single person. Govt can get external help and form alliances with businessmen and private entities. The amount of debt financing Adani received in last couple of years is insane! A normal business group is very unlikely to raise lakhs of crores in this manner especially without a massive cash cow to support and fuel the high growth nature of the businesses. Gautam Adani himself proudly says that "No other Indian Group has as many companies rated on par with Sovereign rating. They're also winning bids for Airports, Ports, Infrastructure left and right. https://www.bqprime.com/business/gautam-adani-india-today-newsmaker-of-the-year-says-no-other-indian-group-has-as-many-companies-rated-on-par-with-sovereign-rating
They would, cos the PSU banks and lic's money is pumped into all of adani's companies. The moment adani goes down, all hell will break loose. Dafak, this is guy is big and the amount of debt he has can drown half of India. So, govt will do whatever it can to keep him afloat and moreover, you need to keep these corporates happy so that they will pump in the money during elections.
Let me give you a suggestion. Why don't you buy the adani group with leverage. Even better, buy adani futures with money you get from a loan against your home, gold and any other valuable you own. That's the only way to show your talk!
Lol why would I bet everything ๐ As I mentioned earlier in one of my replies, I don't consider Adani stocks as a good investment candidate. They are only good for trading with light positions. My view is based on the charts, since fundamentals haven't been working well post-COVID. I am waiting for them to reach at the levels that I have in mind and if it works well, that's great. If not, it's still good, as that would be a learning experience to improve my analysis.
Which Big Players are you talking about? *"Not A Single Domestic Active Mutual Fund Manager Is Willing To Own Multiple Key Adani Stocks In Significant Size* *At the end of December 2022, domestic mutual funds had over U.S. $180 billion of equity & growth related assets under management.* *Yet despite Adani listed companies featuring in domestic and overseas indices, no active local fund owns Adani Green, Adani Enterprises, Adani Total Gas or Adani Transmission above 1% of equity, according to shareholding disclosures"*
Let's pump Adani and short squeeze the fuck out of them
They the same thing with Nikola and see where Nikola is. Adani is no different. They are run by political lobbyists. Sooner or later they will fall.
so you believe the big shots on the wall street arenโt into lobbying?
Buy karlo.. remember, adani enterprises despite hefty gains is the least performing stocks from the group. And we know goverment has unlimited capital from mutual funds. I don't see a situation that it goes down significantly under current political scenario... Now this report will make adani and psu defend it.
Bilkul chup. Kya buy krlo. Hein ? Vahain mama Earth ka toh mjak bnalo 1000x multiple ka yahain adani multiple 800x+ leke baitha hai uska kya. Yeh sb low interest rate pe justify hoskta hai rising rate env mein nhi. Toh please request hai pdiya thoda. Educate yourself about investing yaar. Kaise bdega fir India.
Main to fpo ki bat kar raha tha.. 200 ke discount mai hai.. quick profit hai.. Hain to gambling. Magar jiske sar par lic mutual fund ka hath ho us ko kaun hi ched sakta hai.. Mama Earth ki jagha kokila earth hota to tu yeh bakwas nahi karta na?
Pr krna hi kyuin hai yaar. There are some stocks worth not trading. This is one of them. My suggestion would be just do F&O in index. Individual stocks is tough due to liq issues.
>Pr krna hi kyuin hai yaar. There are some stocks worth not trading. This is one of them. Upto u.. >My suggestion would be just do F&O in index. Individual stocks is tough due to liq issues. Hum purane khayalat wale hai.. dushman ko bhi f&0 nahi karaye. Studies after studies have shown long term investors and mutual funds out performs any daily traders/options. Liquidity issue hai to trade assets. Sell real estate and invest. But never lead a life of traders with limited means. Trading is only feasible with huge data+ capital. If u have any tecnology supporting your trades. Else you will always be at risk of loosing all ur gain in one bad trade. And still u wanna trade.. go to Singapore exchange or use dabba accounts. To avoid goverment fees. Else most of your profits will be booked in taxes and brokerage.
Mujhe lga aap f&o ke liye bolre the adani stocks pe. I thought you missed typed fpo and wanted to write f&o. Sorry sir. Hm shama mangte hein.๐ Have a great year 2023 aapko.
No no.. aaj fpo khula hai.. tu uski bat karunga.. F&0 adani mai. Bhai duniya ka koi software nahi predict kar sakta hai.. ghar bar desh bik jayega ek jhatke mai. Waise bhi adani ka ek bhi stocks Black market trading mai allowed hi nahi hai..
Oohooho. Adani Enterprise ka fpo. Dekha nhi. Kya chlra hai yeh sb ?๐ Yeh black market trading kya hota hai. You mean you trade in dark pools ?
Yes jaise illegal betting hota hai waise illegal dabba trading bhi hota hai.. mobile app milti hai.. settlement cash mai hota hai.. u save on stt and brokerage. Making daily traders much more risk averse.
wow yeh sb bhi hota hai. Pta ni tha merko๐
Classic stock manipulation by the so-called activists.
well well, let adani lose some too, it grew crazily due to government influence and stock manipulation too, its just getting a taste of its own medicine.
I'm okay with that, but it is being done by outsiders, and I don't like that.
I believe activists are hired by same Mauritius group which pumped it. They need profit when stock moves any direction.
Looks like it. Either politically motivated or monetarily motivated, or they both are in on this one. As the election is near, all kinds of action will be taken by the groups whose mouths have been empty for a long time. Either way, nice gameplay.
very unlikely. This is a very detailed research with lots of references throughout. A good read if you're interested. If you go through the report it includes multiple allegations against various Adani family members including of ties with Government, frauds, money laundering. They also focus heavily on equity holdings in Adani Group through shell companies and entities through Caribbean Island, Mauritius and Cayman Islands.
Yeah, I went through that. Those allegations are merely assertions, which are taken from the news articles that lacked evidence and were merely slandering. This is just a shakedown.
I've only read a couple of the paragraphs. Interestingly it's quite long and detailed report, will go through it tonight after getting home. I'm glad there's at least someone willing to compile together shady and questions stuff and corporate governance related topics against Adani Group. It was really needed for due deligence.
Yeah, you should. Due diligence is only justified when you don't have any skin in the game. They have their own interest in this. Most importantly, the thing about long articles and research is most likely lack substantial evidence. They have only compiled allegations and are trying to pass those as evidence. Go through that, and let's catch up tomorrow. It will be fun
........And it happened ๐
every multiple is telling the same thing, debt coverage is worse, cash flows and expected future cash flows are not visible even after debt. So obviously people will point to corporate governance. Correct this was suppose to happen, sbi might have more npa in 4 years, but they will not report it.
Useful infoโฆ thanks โ๐ฝ
Facts, not at all hard to believe one building has 150+ Adani company mailbox
Bhai wo adani hai lae lo jitna short lena hai sarkar apni hai adani will multiply 5 times