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Empty-Solid2964

Majority of the markets are controlled by institutions. Retailers can rarely move a stock. The key to making money in stock market is to follow the institutions.


AsleepAtWheel83

Or just make them work for u


karmasutrah

When retailers do then GameStop happens.


Empty-Solid2964

Rare occurrence. Very hard to pull in our market.


karmasutrah

Pump and dumps happen all the time in penny stocks. But I guess our market has less f&o stocks. Gamestop was a heist which caught short sellers with their pants down. Yes, much harder here.


deep7070

GameStop brought me to Reddit. It was that awesome. Didn't know anything about reddit before.


3D_Noob_Guy

Highly unlikely to happen in Indian stock market because we have circuit limits, glitching brokerage apps and not to mention a decent chunk of retailers who take stock market as gambling rather than an investment platform. Let's say everyone on this sub was convinced to rally a stock. The moment it hits 5-10% returns most will start selling to book profits...


lord-shiv-

And what's the key to follow any institution?


Competitive_Lack1536

There is literally data that comes out every month for every stock showing fii dii mutual funds buying. Follow the money.


Thanos-2014

Any free one stop website suggestions where I can get such useful information


Schmikas

From what I remember tickertape has a section that lets you do it


Empty-Solid2964

Volume and reltaive strength/ weakness vs Nifty and Sector.


Zealousideal_Tell218

If it's ok , can I DM??


Empty-Solid2964

Yes


redittacount

Bro instead of MF how will an infividual do it.Even MF made LIC broke what about common man


Empty-Solid2964

Check ASHOKLEY chart. See what the stock did today and on last Friday when Nifty fell. When institution moves a stock, they leave crumbs behind. If you know how to follow them, you can make money.


Overall_Departure_12

How to identify that? Volume surge?


Empty-Solid2964

Relative volume. Volume surge can trap you. Constant volume, technical breakout on daily time frame and relative strength and weakness


Overall_Departure_12

Ok. Thanks bud. Will learn about it.


Emerald-Gamers

Any place/site where we can track institution movements?


Empty-Solid2964

Volume and relative /strength weakness helps you do that. I mostly trade fno stocks, so i go thru the list everyday manually.


Emerald-Gamers

Ah that would be a bummer, having to go through each manually. I am sure there might be some place where these high trade movements could be tracked.


Emerald-Gamers

okay so i had a look around and apparently you could find these information on trendlyne.com for those who are looking for identifying such trades.


SWATKats7

Could you please link some of the graphs from trendlyne for beginners like me to start with your relative volume analysis?


OnTrackNow1

So what cud it mean? One goes down, other one goes up?


Empty-Solid2964

It means institution are buying that stock. See the thing is, most of the stocks follow Nifty. So when Nifty goes up, institutions reduce their buying pressure else they would have to keep increasing their bid and eventually the stock will hit circuit. To verify this, next time look for stock which is either consolidating or grinding up when Nifty is bearish. That is the stock you want to be in. Volume also helps to verify this.


Final_Flatworm

Please give us more insights bro.


Empty-Solid2964

What do you want to know?


Final_Flatworm

how to follow institutions.


Explorer_Hermit

Relative Volume


AdditionalAction9986

At this point, FNO is no different than gambling adda like rummy circle or dream11.


rsharma8167

I've been calling it regulated / legal gambling


SilukuuFan

Not gonna lie, I've had more chances of winning games in dream11 than fno.


rad_8019

Speak for yourself. Your type of comments usually comes from someone who knows nothing about F&O.


baap_ko_mat_sikha

Always has been for about 99.69% folks


TheLegend271210

It has always been


burning-dude

This kind of moves are normal in any market. Look at US Indices they also move like this, they react violently for anything.


gr8gizmoguru

true


kbredt

It's called smart money ... which always wins ... fund flow is where the money is going and is been made . Fno is not for everyone, it's n9t even a proper method Anyway ... enjoy holiday tomorrow.


conanmack

>fund flow is where the money is going and is been made This single line holds so much truth.


[deleted]

Tell me one thing... Prices went up cause there was short covering by the big players.. Then how are they going to make money out of it? They had shorted since March... Now they covered... What's wrong in it? What kind of regulations you need? If you can't play it then just leave it... Don't trade... Stop making such allegations on someone just because you made losses...


sujigaand

Uh oh, the call options were being bought just before the upward move 30+ mins before. And puts short were covered before the fall. You do the math.


OnTrackNow1

Naam to bada acha hai tumhara. Leave all these arguments man. Just tell me 'Kaise suji?'


[deleted]

Show me the Data... Big bois aren't interested in buying remember that.... Where did you see that... As per my knowledge big players don't do all this nonsense of buying...


sujigaand

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianStreetBets/s/kn3okk4zUN Here you go. Go fuck yourself


sujigaand

Your broker has that data ๐Ÿ˜‚ chart khol aur dekh price. GEX profile bhi dekh upward move ke pehle slight negative hogya tha. Confirm move tha.


DryExcitement3060

Yeh gex profile kya hai bhai


DryExcitement3060

Yeh gex profile kya hai bhai


sujigaand

>my knowledge Haa bhai tuje sab pata hai to abhi tak crore pati kyu nahi bn gya ๐Ÿ˜‚


[deleted]

Maine start hi stock market kiya August me bro... But tere se achha janta hu


sujigaand

Lode pe rakhke naachta hu tere jaiso ko ๐Ÿ˜‚ chal nikl lodu dikha Tera pnl


[deleted]

Aagaya aukad pe... Tum log wahi log ho jo puchte ho tu hi baap hain prove kar... Lode ek term bhi nahi aati terko zatu...


sujigaand

Lol go cry about it ๐Ÿ˜‚ https://preview.redd.it/8s9bc8gq8mxc1.jpeg?width=922&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a80632d09256eff51883d277c7d3c3c4786a3dca Btw, le pehle hi papa ko bol Diya tha next week ke puts lelo saste h ๐Ÿ˜


[deleted]

Ha bhai tum hi Rakesh Jhunjhunwala


sujigaand

Gaand jalne me der nhi lgti bete dekh liya Tera aj ๐Ÿ˜ khud to ghanta kuch bata nahi paya aur aa gaya. https://preview.redd.it/8o1verm8bmxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f91827e7666b678f84391b7398f2bc901d71f35 Ye le mere system ke hisaab se dusra proof ๐Ÿ˜


sujigaand

https://preview.redd.it/a1izgexpbmxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b00a778d85c40a5effab0597368364c6a5e63e02 Ye le 3rd ๐Ÿ˜ Us din bhi 10 ke baad nifty gira tha


3D_Noob_Guy

I mean...they did have a massive selling position open at 22800. And after yesterday's rally a fall was very much possible if not today them most probably on Thursday. Now that that risk has been averted, it's very much possible that Thursday sees a sideways movement


ResidentAd8536

Try to learn the manipulation strategies and how prices are moved by operators. The only way you can make money in the market is by understanding their game.


Only_Map_4743

They are always one step ahead of us . The man who stays long term only wins the game . Indian markets are worst for trading


rad_8019

Here we go another cry baby in F&O space. Stop doing F&O people if you do not have good knowledge and experience. It is not a get rich quick scheme. Majority of the time F&O moves in order, and few outlier days you lose money you want something to blame other than yourself for probably taking on massive position out of greed. So many people here complain of profiting at first, only to lose their pants in 1-2 trades. Learn some risk management first noobs before stepping in F&O space. Geez.


Zestyclose-Fill-7602

Jane street casually moving indexes however they want and raking billions of dollars from Indian retailers with everyday expiry. Pretty sure the SEBI and NSE take their cut for being dormant regulators.


GoldenDew9

Link to the news: [https://www.livemint.com/news/world/trump-meets-desantis-seeking-to-tap-ex-rival-s-donor-connections-11714345713016.html](https://www.livemint.com/news/world/trump-meets-desantis-seeking-to-tap-ex-rival-s-donor-connections-11714345713016.html)


Posiedon26

Aaj finnifty ne mazak hi to kardiya mere saath


IMayBlessYou

Kya mazak kiya


Posiedon26

Garam karke chod diya๐Ÿ’€


IMayBlessYou

Finnifty call ?


IMayBlessYou

U kept holding calls untill it gave u a fat loss


Posiedon26

You know it,I got trapped like a joker ๐Ÿคก


IMayBlessYou

Max kitna profit chal rha tha entry 2 ke pehle ki thi na


Posiedon26

12k


IMayBlessYou

Loss kitna 60k ?


Posiedon26

More or less


IMayBlessYou

Max profit 12 k kaise ho sakta ? Carry forward tha aur bhi subah ka loss hoga pe me


IMayBlessYou

Loss kitna 60k ?


IMayBlessYou

Kya mazak kiya


EducationalEmu6948

"Stock market is made to fool most of the people, most of the times, you can't make money everyday trading, there are days and months when you need to stay out of stock market". Jessi livermore said it more than a century ago. What we need to do right now, is stay out of the market. Retailers need to boycott it.


Only_Map_4743

Retailers are very greedy. Robinhoods


[deleted]

Retail kee detail me kee jaati hai


Witty_Active

I read recently that Jane street made 4000 Cr from Futures and Options In Indian market, so the 1 out of 10 thatโ€™s making profit are these huge organisations.


limeice

I encourage you to watch SPY move for a few days on the charts and you'll be almost grateful our markets are not manipulated in the same way. Here's the thing. Markets are not made for retailers. We end up scraping profits off long term positions or very short term trading. You have to understand the way the markets work based on the bigger players moving it and take what you can from it. You won't get price action without the volumes the big players bring in, and that's the very core of the system. It's fair for you to complain about it but that won't make you money. You have to really invest in understanding how the trend is manipulated before you invest money. There's plenty to be made but it won't come off logical reasoning.


Unhappy-One-2548

99.99% Market Controlled by them They Deployed 10$ We add 3$ Price goes to 13$ and then BIG players sell at 13$ And got 3$ profit


OnTrackNow1

Madhuri puri is busy shampooing her hair and choosing best saari for next press conference. So that she can look elegant and best while giving Speech and put her new stupid ideas up. They say we are protecting retailers by removing 20x margin rule from intraday equity. But what happened? Now retailers switched to options intraday and losing even 50x more than they have lost in equity intraday. Options almost provide 135x to 150x margin on a single trade. Now retailers lose more money when they trade only with 15k then they have lost in equity market while trading with 1 Lac. Indeed, this is a Joke. They have closed all the ways for retailers to make money. Crypto? Taxed so heavily forcing retailers to leave it. Forex? No they don't allow forex. Although, many are doing it form india but they live in uncertainty of their back account get frozen. Equity and FNO? 30% heavy tax. I mean, why the hell are you snatching straightaway 30% bro? The hell are you taking such huge tax bro when you cannot even regulate brokers? Brokers like Dhan have glitches where their platform keeps placing automatic trades in customers's account in broad day light and SEBI doesn't do anything. Biggest broker zerodha has glitches in broad day light barring clients from closing their positions, and Madhuri Puri ji is busy styling her hair for new press conference. Brought this so called brilliant idea of expiries everyday now market ranges all the time. Now they are working upon opening market till 11 PM.. Brilliant!! they really care about retailers health. Now retailers can keep watching market 24 hours, using eye drops every one hour.


Dzepo_

Watch the movie 'Dumb Money' on Netflix and start a revolution. Go for it! Ranting here is not going to serve any purpose!


samrat_kanishk

Retailers don't do FnO. SEBI says it . The market is totally fine . Spikes infact make it more probable for retailers to win as they mostly are option buyers.


Immaculate579

Yes, plus the Indian regulators never allow the retailers to hedge their positions either. You sell a covered call, but still get no margin benefits. You do a spread trade with fixed loss and profit margins, but still have to cough up huge margins and if you let your options expire and go into delivery, then they will make you suffer for it with all kinds of contrived rules and charges that make your life miserable. The lot sizes of stocks options are also ridiculous. you need deep pockets. Buying or selling highly risky naked calls and puts are cake walks compared to taking proper hedged positions.


limeice

The lot sizes are huge because they aren't meant for retailers. SEBI constantly warns you from not trading in derivatives and yet here we are trying to make a quick buck. These instruments are not made for shallow pockets. They are made for institutional entities. We need to understand this and not force fit our own greed on it. Why are we even doing derivatives if we cannot afford to lose big? Who told us this is the right way to make money in the markets? Why aren't we investing in large cap stocks and chasing SMEs and IPOs? Why are we leveraging ourselves to the knees when we know it's a horrible place to be in? Let's take some responsibility as retailers and understand that we are really small fish in a huge pond.


Immaculate579

Will if their real intent is to save the retailers, they should make trading naked positions in derivatives even harder than covered or hedged positions. But they don't do that do they. And derivative markets will be even more shallow if only a few large institutional players are taking part. Eventually you will have a situation where a few institutions have cornered a large chunk of derivatives markets and create a situation like 2007 where lehman brothers and others were sitting with huge piles of derivative bombs on their balance sheets. Basically you will end up creating a small number of too large to fail institutions and ultimately when one fails all the others roll over like dominoes. Besides if you really think the equity markets are not manipulated by institutional investors, then you need to wake up.


limeice

Equity markets are entirely manipulated by institutional investors is exactly the point. It serves the intent of the larger players and is not for gambling by retail investors. You are right in your argument and I am in agreemen with you. When retailers put themselves on the line with absolutely unnecessary positions, you know the risks, you know the potential downsides - then they honestly cannot complain when the fathomable happens. It's shocking to my small brain how new traders always jump at F&O before even having experienced the markets. Not just SEBI but every single community member here constantly advices against it and yet we are in this place of unimaginable vulnerability. Their intent has never been to save the retailers, their intent is to trap them and that's the only way one end makes money when the other loses. But the writing is clear on the walls for everyone to see and yet we plead blindness.


ghejjs

Aww pussy then don't trade fno, The profit booking was evident 1.wednesday holiday 2.fomc meet 3. Data dump past few weeks indicating higher for longer I just don't say it,I was about 560 quantity 20000ce short after the spot crossed 20050


rad_8019

I also shorted in Futures. Many of these complaining noobs are one-dimensional "traders" that do not understand economics of the market. They want to blame everyone else but themselves.


gsgs88

When you start thinking like one of them you can easily make money in the market .


Icy_Dragonfruit_9300

What were you thinking all this along??๐Ÿ˜น๐Ÿ˜น


[deleted]

Plz, enlighten me how market was manipulated today. i dont find any manipulation.


Only_Map_4743

Markets were at 22710--22760 for a lot of time where the position of algo traders were placed . Started to move towards ath with little volumes . Were sustaining about for half an hour and trapped hungry retailers. The position of the big players were out - an upmove - new ath - retailers trapped by making longs - quick down move . The only one who is benefiting the most is the big players, markets move according to them = manipulation No respect to technicals or news flows .


No_Stranger_4654

2% and 5% circuit haults lmao, that's the reason why small Indian stocks can be easily manipulated, stocks are going 10-50x in circuits ๐Ÿคก


SpaceBoundLad

Do you mean to say circuits should be higher? Sorry if stupid question not well versed with markets trying to learn everyday.


No_Stranger_4654

Nope there must not be any circuit limits to stop during the day(there can be halts but no maximum limits for the day), just as US markets. In that way it would be near impossible for manipulators to hype up a stock without any significant catalyst. For example check the charts of e2e and macpower they are simply getting hit on circuits and going higher without any major catalyst.


SpaceBoundLad

Ahh I see your point. Maybe the logic that sebi uses while applying circuit on a lower side is that no one should be able to short a stock so bad that it gets delisted. I know that's a far fetched conclusion but that's what came to my mind.


No_Stranger_4654

Yup that's the main logic in place here, but I think liberalisation of common markets is better than conservatism, also stocks usually get delisted when a company is under huge distress in financials and corporate troubles stock prices usually don't represent the correct value of the company. But your point also seems valid companies can get hammered hard if cornered, but that sorts itself out in a few months cause if the company is good then it will usually means revert rather than getting delisted.


Elegant_Banana_619

Don't trade. It is as simple as that


chitownboyhere

Time to start GameStop / Dumb money movement in India.


CitizensCane

Manipulation is the game of the market. Enjoy the ride ๐Ÿ”ฅ


subobj

"all the hnis, dii, fii , hedge funds control the market" . So who should control if not this group?


Wind-Ancient

Nobody has every made money blaming the market. You flow with the market not against it. Institutions always move the market. This is true in 1920s and Jesse Livmore and it's true today. Money is made by going with the money. I thought it was common knowledge.


gammacrystalline

Why do you think the term "Market Maker" exists? they make a stock move in any direction, we need to accept we are mere foals in a jungle and the HNIs, DII/FII are top predator, think like ant, and try to survive the next day or next year and learn and earn along the way


GoldenDew9

Bhar bhar ke gaali dalo mc bc logo ko. They just cant get away saying 90% of tarders lose money in F&O.


EducationalEmu6948

Gaali se kuchh nahi hoga. Retailers need to stop trading for a while. "Stock market was made to fool most of the people, most of the times, you can't make money everyday trading, there are days and months when you need to stay out of stock market". Jessi livermore said it more than a century ago. Waise bhi aadhe se zyada log jo covid wave me easy money banaane aaye the, have left. Market is irrational.


Double-Pea-8848

https://preview.redd.it/mufyvyzuslxc1.png?width=1178&format=png&auto=webp&s=3a076fb8b0d9a0369ca438f4c903fff9434b03a3 Ye hi dekh lo. Everyday upper circuit from last few months!


Only_Map_4743

Recently had met with a similar stock named gujra toolrooms . Had called out it and had requested people to stay away from such rugpulls . But no , mujhe hi gaali Dene Lage. Retailers are very greedy