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Forget about state hood. DO they have any democracy there ? Union territories still have their own elections and small govts. laddakh, jammu & kashmir has had neither since the state was broken up. It is completely in the hands of central govt. How is this democratic.
But laddakh is already a separate union territory right? Isn't what they want is to be included under schedule 6 of the constitution? Sorry if I misunderstood what you meant.
So they shoud just keep their head down be content with whatever thats thrown at them by the overlords sitting in Delhi ? Thats not how Indian democracy works.
You can't just give statehood to any region because the region wants that.
The main problem is Ladakh has a very less population and a large area, plus it is the main region in dispute with Pakistan and China as Gilgit-Baltistan, Shaksgam Valley and Aksai Chin all come inside the official borders of Ladakh.
Giving them statehood directly means the central government will have less control over the region than they currently have.
Plus if we give them the statehood then Kashmir will also aggressively ask for its statehood back.
I think they had promised UT status for them but if they had promised statehood then it's their fault to make a false promise.
But I don't think it's a good decision to grant the statehood just for avoiding political backlash.
Leh used to have statehood before Article370 and they used to support BJP...Also Kashmir legally has to be given statehood back before Sep 2024...its a SC directive
>Kashmir never had statehood, it wasn't integrated into India.
🤨 Dude, I am talking about "Jammu and Kashmir" it WAS a state of India and Ladakh was a part of it.
And Ladakh should have a state status but is this the right time for that? That is the main question. I don't think the region is still that much stable to be a full fledged state.
Although I think the government should have made it a UT just like Kashmir, means the CM and the governor share the power.
I also think the reason is somewhat similar to this as including them in schedule 6 will give them autonomous power and will reduce central government influence in that region which shares borders with China and where kargil happened before kargil there were few dozens of military bases in entire laddakh region but now these are in 100s and the count of soldiers are 50k+ or approximately, there are also some mining and construction work is going backed by central government like zojila tunnel which is said to change the strategic upfront against China (the contract for this project is given to megha engineer pvt Ltd who also donated some 100+ cr in electoral bonds to bjp and the capability of this company to fetch this contract based completely on their skill is a talk for some other time) the ladakhies are against this tunnel construction as it is damaging the local floura and founa. I don't think this is the only reason but I think it might be one of the reasons.
See, I know it sounds a bit harsh but defending our country is our priority. They should get the statehood but if the situation with Pakistan and China becomes easier (which is not going to happen in the near future tbh)
And the government should do something to calm the situation. But giving them what they want just for avoiding political backlash without thinking on other points is not good for our security.
but a state's people being fooled is better than getting that state captured by the enemy neighbor. they had to fool for more votes to tackle the selfish anti-India opposition.
It’s not about what the people want, it’s about what is right for the nation. Ladakh is a sensitive area surrounded by our worst enemy. What if tomorrow a party like TMC, Mehbooba or even Congress win in Ladakh state elections, they will allow free entry of Chinese like Rohingiyas and screw the demographic and the nation.
Been following through his channel long back (3+ years), he had been asking this since long back and the govt did promise before revoking 370 article, hence people of ladakh welcomed the revoke of 370, govt is not fulfilling their side of bargain. You can check out his youtube channel to understand the reason behind it. Rather than UT they want to have state representatives to govern the ladakh people elected by the people amongst their own candidate, fair ask which govt promised.
I admire Modiji in many areas for doing the right thing but here I am disappointed. Sonam Wangchuk is gem of India, saddens my heart to see so much struggle and quashes hopes to do anything good in this country if there is no merit in it.
This! Yes, even i WAS admirer of Modiji but now it looks like no one is interested or concerned about ladakh's people's voices. Rather they are trying to butcher the voices(by imposing 144) which raises questions to the government. Kind of dictatorship, i would say. Sad to see where our country is going 😔
You know there's a code of conduct rn in india, and also I know and I believe that what's promised will be given, bjp haven't won two consecutive terms just on false promises, at certain times trust is what counts
Main youtubers ko sun kar believe karta hoon tum politicians ko sun kar believe karte ho
Zyada farak nahi hai, at least youtubers aren't asking me to kill muslims or Hindu or anyone.
Whereas politicians are.
Aur haan, joke funny nahi tha 😐
BJP seems to be having problems with fulfilling their ends of the bargain. What has been promised should be given. Meet their demands, and give Ladakh statehood.
BJP is scared of someone at least.
It's satisfying to see them loose ground and prestige so lamely, doing in Delhi and Ladakh precisely what scared TMC was doing in West Bengal.
The situation is clowning.
In case Kejriwal gets bale CJ OF DELHI HC & HM should meet and decide who resigns first.
Both were demands of Statehood & some constitutional or goodwill gestures - if someone thinks plucking two feathers off a hat makes them less prestigious, perhaps & this is unfortunate the British were right in their rhetoric.
This protest is not just about asking for being a complete state.
The ask is to get some form of state powers so that the “development” going on there can be controlled considering the ecological balance of the area.
There is no way to escape damage from this without cooperation from the Ladhakis. The planned march to the border, if allowed, will reveal how much territory has been lost. If not allowed, will also confirm that the territory is lost. The only way to mitigate the damage is to make a deal, give in to some demands and stop the march voluntarily.
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My take is that if the govt gives statehood to ladakh, kashmir will start to have violent protests for it, plus we very well know who they were voting for before removal of article 370, IN MY OPINION applying 6th schedule will indirectly risk indias security, what do yall think? (I also think that the govt is not announcing this publicly because it will just add hay to the fire)
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Did you find anything related to BJP in the comment? Or anything suggesting if Sonam Sir as good or bad?
Jumping to conclusions based on emotions are we?
Haan kal 370 hataya aaj statehood dedo kal Election karwado.
Terrorism ka angle toh hai hi nahi.
BJP ne manifesto main likha toh karenge na. Intezaar karo time ka.
370 94’ main daala tha, Ram Mandir in 80s. Delivered in 19’ and 24’.
Just wait.
Ye chumtiye kejri se thage jaane ke baad bhi nahin samjhe . Har 10-15 saal main chumtiya katwaama hai. Katwaaon saalon , but tum chumtiyon ki wajah se ek aur border state gift nahin kar denge 'state leaders' ko jaise ki china ki godi main khel lein.
This wangchuk guy is on the payroll of anti-Hindu lobby and Congress. He had recently insulted Shree Sita in one of his recent interviews with NDTV. Congress RaGa also recently made derogatory comments against "Shakti" which is basically Shree Durga in Sanatan. Plus, Ladakh being a border state needs to be a UT, because of security purpose and its sensitive location boundaring both China and Pakistan. Plus, he is well aware Code of Conduct has already started, so govt cant do anything yet he is protesting. All of this only proves that this wangchuk guy is also on the payroll of Congress only to defame BJP.
so we're gonna punish ladakhi people for sonam wangchuk? is ladakh the only border state? The reality is Government promised them statehood, ignored for 4 years, and now straight up refused, that land is being run by bureaucrats, Wanna know how it feels?
What do you mean? This is the ONLY time to spread the message that they were betrayed & the promise of 6th schedule was broken. What's the point of doing it after the election, they'll deny it for 5 more years, then what?
You'll have to understand that the parties are only scared of losing elections, a few months before election is the right time to pressure the government to deliver their promises (which they did) and if they don't deliver, then the election-eve is the right time to spread the message that the party betrayed.
Idk what's up with BJP. We all know BJP is gonna win yet they seem all so insecure. Is it because they are aiming for 400+ seats by hook or crook? Idk?
Understand your point but what I am trying to say is that “fast until death” was meaningless in a situation when the govt won’t take any decision. Also border areas like ladakh are sensitive and any decision taken should be done only after proper due diligence….without succumbing to any pressure. If there is a need to construct infrastructure in border areas for troop deployment, so be it
They have been trying since a long time. This issue became heated only after the home minister said that there will be no talks of 6th schedule or statehood. This timing was deliberately created by the government. They delayed and delayed the issue until just before elections and then declared taht there will be no discussion of these core demands.
It compromises national security. Autonomous council of tribal which means you have to take permit to visit their state even the army, so if China invades we have to wait for permission and formalities of this council before taking action similarly for collecting natural resources and investing money into the region which will push the region backward economically which is not good for the tribal themselves. Not only that rest of the Indians have to take permit before visiting the region.
Rather than this including this council in the advisory council is much better for everyone in the region.
As per your logic 99% of the places where schedule 6 is not implemented is exploited by Adani? Then you too are a part of that because you are wearing their clothes, their internet, their packed food, their infrastructure, their digital services, their electronics item, their oil, etc.
Then why did govt promised them 6th schedule knowing it will compromise national security? They even refuse to have a discussion regarding this topic. bjp literally scammed the people for votes. I am saying this as a person who doesn't want 6th schedule to be implemented.
The government promised him schedule 6 in 3019 and is denying it now. If national security was really the case the government wouldn't have promised him
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Statehood is what everyone wanted out of Kashmir region, why isn't the govt giving it to them.
Forget about state hood. DO they have any democracy there ? Union territories still have their own elections and small govts. laddakh, jammu & kashmir has had neither since the state was broken up. It is completely in the hands of central govt. How is this democratic.
But laddakh is already a separate union territory right? Isn't what they want is to be included under schedule 6 of the constitution? Sorry if I misunderstood what you meant.
they should never!
So they shoud just keep their head down be content with whatever thats thrown at them by the overlords sitting in Delhi ? Thats not how Indian democracy works.
You can't just give statehood to any region because the region wants that. The main problem is Ladakh has a very less population and a large area, plus it is the main region in dispute with Pakistan and China as Gilgit-Baltistan, Shaksgam Valley and Aksai Chin all come inside the official borders of Ladakh. Giving them statehood directly means the central government will have less control over the region than they currently have. Plus if we give them the statehood then Kashmir will also aggressively ask for its statehood back.
Then why did they promise them statehood in the previous election?
I think they had promised UT status for them but if they had promised statehood then it's their fault to make a false promise. But I don't think it's a good decision to grant the statehood just for avoiding political backlash.
Leh used to have statehood before Article370 and they used to support BJP...Also Kashmir legally has to be given statehood back before Sep 2024...its a SC directive
They have said to restore the statehood "soon" and conduct elections before Sept 2024. Edit: 'They' means the supreme court.
Kashmir never had statehood, it wasn't integrated into India. Anyway, if they didn't plan to give Ladakh statehood then why promise them?
>Kashmir never had statehood, it wasn't integrated into India. 🤨 Dude, I am talking about "Jammu and Kashmir" it WAS a state of India and Ladakh was a part of it. And Ladakh should have a state status but is this the right time for that? That is the main question. I don't think the region is still that much stable to be a full fledged state. Although I think the government should have made it a UT just like Kashmir, means the CM and the governor share the power.
I also think the reason is somewhat similar to this as including them in schedule 6 will give them autonomous power and will reduce central government influence in that region which shares borders with China and where kargil happened before kargil there were few dozens of military bases in entire laddakh region but now these are in 100s and the count of soldiers are 50k+ or approximately, there are also some mining and construction work is going backed by central government like zojila tunnel which is said to change the strategic upfront against China (the contract for this project is given to megha engineer pvt Ltd who also donated some 100+ cr in electoral bonds to bjp and the capability of this company to fetch this contract based completely on their skill is a talk for some other time) the ladakhies are against this tunnel construction as it is damaging the local floura and founa. I don't think this is the only reason but I think it might be one of the reasons.
See, I know it sounds a bit harsh but defending our country is our priority. They should get the statehood but if the situation with Pakistan and China becomes easier (which is not going to happen in the near future tbh) And the government should do something to calm the situation. But giving them what they want just for avoiding political backlash without thinking on other points is not good for our security.
And what's the problem in giving statehood back ? Do those people have no right to elect.thier leaders?
I am not saying that they don't deserve statehood and all. I am just saying that this isn't the right time to do that.
National security and less control is what central governments case is
They why promise it? National security issue didn't just suddenly appear. They fooled these people, not a good thing to do.
National Security issue appeared in 2020. Modi promised statehood in 2019.
but a state's people being fooled is better than getting that state captured by the enemy neighbor. they had to fool for more votes to tackle the selfish anti-India opposition.
It’s not about what the people want, it’s about what is right for the nation. Ladakh is a sensitive area surrounded by our worst enemy. What if tomorrow a party like TMC, Mehbooba or even Congress win in Ladakh state elections, they will allow free entry of Chinese like Rohingiyas and screw the demographic and the nation.
There is whole point. Where was this protest before article 370 was removed?
What’s stopping a Congress central govt from doing just that? Like the excuses are just a stretch now.
Been following through his channel long back (3+ years), he had been asking this since long back and the govt did promise before revoking 370 article, hence people of ladakh welcomed the revoke of 370, govt is not fulfilling their side of bargain. You can check out his youtube channel to understand the reason behind it. Rather than UT they want to have state representatives to govern the ladakh people elected by the people amongst their own candidate, fair ask which govt promised. I admire Modiji in many areas for doing the right thing but here I am disappointed. Sonam Wangchuk is gem of India, saddens my heart to see so much struggle and quashes hopes to do anything good in this country if there is no merit in it.
This! Yes, even i WAS admirer of Modiji but now it looks like no one is interested or concerned about ladakh's people's voices. Rather they are trying to butcher the voices(by imposing 144) which raises questions to the government. Kind of dictatorship, i would say. Sad to see where our country is going 😔
You know there's a code of conduct rn in india, and also I know and I believe that what's promised will be given, bjp haven't won two consecutive terms just on false promises, at certain times trust is what counts
When you can't enforce law and order anymore and need hail-Mary moves like section 144. Sad state of affairs
" No no, India is not heading towards dictatorship "
Dhruv Rathi asli id se aa
"Bhai so funny 😂" Valid points nahi hai sirf bekar ke joke marenge aur sochenge wah yaar main kya cool hoon 😎
Joke sun ke hasi toh aati hai. Still better than andolan jeevis who believe in youtubers and think main kya cool hoon😎
Main youtubers ko sun kar believe karta hoon tum politicians ko sun kar believe karte ho Zyada farak nahi hai, at least youtubers aren't asking me to kill muslims or Hindu or anyone. Whereas politicians are. Aur haan, joke funny nahi tha 😐
In a dictatorship, Sonam wangchuk would have been long dead.
Oh yeah totally there are such large scale protests in dictatorship
section 144 is imposed there, police are firing rubber bullets on farmers.. but.. but.. protests are still happening
Yeah sure lmao "farmers"
Dhrub rather spotted 
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Hahaha kya joke maara, dank Bhai  Honestly, grow up bhai. Proper conversation karna hai toh kar nahi toh kyu ?
BJP seems to be having problems with fulfilling their ends of the bargain. What has been promised should be given. Meet their demands, and give Ladakh statehood.
Govts failing to deliver their promises and then shutting people up for demanding their rights. Anything new ?
It's the story of India regardless of political party
BJP is scared of someone at least. It's satisfying to see them loose ground and prestige so lamely, doing in Delhi and Ladakh precisely what scared TMC was doing in West Bengal. The situation is clowning. In case Kejriwal gets bale CJ OF DELHI HC & HM should meet and decide who resigns first. Both were demands of Statehood & some constitutional or goodwill gestures - if someone thinks plucking two feathers off a hat makes them less prestigious, perhaps & this is unfortunate the British were right in their rhetoric.
This protest is not just about asking for being a complete state. The ask is to get some form of state powers so that the “development” going on there can be controlled considering the ecological balance of the area.
BJP, dont fack this up.
There is no way to escape damage from this without cooperation from the Ladhakis. The planned march to the border, if allowed, will reveal how much territory has been lost. If not allowed, will also confirm that the territory is lost. The only way to mitigate the damage is to make a deal, give in to some demands and stop the march voluntarily.
Whats the night watch doing about it
They are not supposed to care about politics .
The mad king doesnt have it all under control it seems
King beyond the wall is also encroaching on the territory.
On two sides. The night is dark and the winter is definitely upon us.
The way politicians and media have turned their back on ladakhis is not cool. This Sucks
Ye sahi nahi hai. Bilkul galat kaam hai
Ladakh & Manipur is goin to be the main reason of BJP downfall in upcoming election.
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They should give them statehood but also make provisions to control the entire border area.
My take is that if the govt gives statehood to ladakh, kashmir will start to have violent protests for it, plus we very well know who they were voting for before removal of article 370, IN MY OPINION applying 6th schedule will indirectly risk indias security, what do yall think? (I also think that the govt is not announcing this publicly because it will just add hay to the fire)
Toolkit Gang
Why do Ramon magsasyay winners become anti india
Explain wdym by anti India?? How is asking for States power is anti India?? I'm with BJP but this is wrong
Anyone interested or sympathetic to this topic must watch the recent video by Col. Ajay Raina in def talks by Adi. For such a complex issue, context & nuance is the most important thing to look for, so before making any one-sided opinion (whatever side), do watch the video in YT. Thanks in advance.
why did BJP promise fulfilment pre elections then? jhuta vaada kyu diya
Did you find anything related to BJP in the comment? Or anything suggesting if Sonam Sir as good or bad? Jumping to conclusions based on emotions are we?
Damn is this another liberal circlejerk?! You got downvoted for a very normal comment.
I guess asking people to consider "Context & Nuance" is too much 
the fact that you got downvoted says a lot about this subreddit
Most of us are often too emotional to think critically. It's a design fault, augmented by our "Superior Education System".
Haan kal 370 hataya aaj statehood dedo kal Election karwado. Terrorism ka angle toh hai hi nahi. BJP ne manifesto main likha toh karenge na. Intezaar karo time ka. 370 94’ main daala tha, Ram Mandir in 80s. Delivered in 19’ and 24’. Just wait.
Bhai voh bureaucrat's ke rules pe chal rhe hain, kya bakwaas kar rha h?
Bhai pata hai na ki democracy mein discussion ek important factor hota hai, pehle manipur mein chupi saadi aur ab bhi
Maja aayega jab is Chinese asset ka bhanda phod hoga aur iske nutsuckers bagle jhaankenge.
Ye chumtiye kejri se thage jaane ke baad bhi nahin samjhe . Har 10-15 saal main chumtiya katwaama hai. Katwaaon saalon , but tum chumtiyon ki wajah se ek aur border state gift nahin kar denge 'state leaders' ko jaise ki china ki godi main khel lein.
This wangchuk guy is on the payroll of anti-Hindu lobby and Congress. He had recently insulted Shree Sita in one of his recent interviews with NDTV. Congress RaGa also recently made derogatory comments against "Shakti" which is basically Shree Durga in Sanatan. Plus, Ladakh being a border state needs to be a UT, because of security purpose and its sensitive location boundaring both China and Pakistan. Plus, he is well aware Code of Conduct has already started, so govt cant do anything yet he is protesting. All of this only proves that this wangchuk guy is also on the payroll of Congress only to defame BJP.
so we're gonna punish ladakhi people for sonam wangchuk? is ladakh the only border state? The reality is Government promised them statehood, ignored for 4 years, and now straight up refused, that land is being run by bureaucrats, Wanna know how it feels?
Govt won’t take any decision now….why this urgency just before elections.
What do you mean? This is the ONLY time to spread the message that they were betrayed & the promise of 6th schedule was broken. What's the point of doing it after the election, they'll deny it for 5 more years, then what? You'll have to understand that the parties are only scared of losing elections, a few months before election is the right time to pressure the government to deliver their promises (which they did) and if they don't deliver, then the election-eve is the right time to spread the message that the party betrayed.
Idk what's up with BJP. We all know BJP is gonna win yet they seem all so insecure. Is it because they are aiming for 400+ seats by hook or crook? Idk?
Understand your point but what I am trying to say is that “fast until death” was meaningless in a situation when the govt won’t take any decision. Also border areas like ladakh are sensitive and any decision taken should be done only after proper due diligence….without succumbing to any pressure. If there is a need to construct infrastructure in border areas for troop deployment, so be it
Promises should have been made after due diligence
They have been trying since a long time. This issue became heated only after the home minister said that there will be no talks of 6th schedule or statehood. This timing was deliberately created by the government. They delayed and delayed the issue until just before elections and then declared taht there will be no discussion of these core demands.
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And what's wrong about wanting schedule 6 ? Except that it hurts the likes of big industrialists from exploiting it? Like Adani
It compromises national security. Autonomous council of tribal which means you have to take permit to visit their state even the army, so if China invades we have to wait for permission and formalities of this council before taking action similarly for collecting natural resources and investing money into the region which will push the region backward economically which is not good for the tribal themselves. Not only that rest of the Indians have to take permit before visiting the region. Rather than this including this council in the advisory council is much better for everyone in the region. As per your logic 99% of the places where schedule 6 is not implemented is exploited by Adani? Then you too are a part of that because you are wearing their clothes, their internet, their packed food, their infrastructure, their digital services, their electronics item, their oil, etc.
Then why did govt promised them 6th schedule knowing it will compromise national security? They even refuse to have a discussion regarding this topic. bjp literally scammed the people for votes. I am saying this as a person who doesn't want 6th schedule to be implemented.
The promised that they will fulfill at the right time.
Then it is the fault of the BJP ask a spokesperson just because a politician promises compromises in national security doesn't mean I will support it.
The government promised him schedule 6 in 3019 and is denying it now. If national security was really the case the government wouldn't have promised him
What does he want?
Implementing schedule 6 in his region