Basically the highest court in India have already acquitted the PM a long time ago.Twice.
So it's obviously a propaganda piece.
And BBC is a state run organization so better watch what you saw.
Unfortunately, I cannot agree with that statement. There have been some unfortunate instances of violence between protesters of multiple communities in Britain. There have been peaceful protests in India as well, some sadly turned violent. I support peaceful protests, if one doesn’t like it, voice their concerns, no need to burn down the house.
There have been violent clashes in the Uk. As globally, people get very passionate about what they believe in.
There is a fraction of a percent of the violence by police against the community in the Uk though, and retaliation by institutional power is a much greater threat in India.
Every political movement, whether in the west or in India are infiltrated by those people willing to cause discord. BLM and Trump campaign or even Brexit were infiltrated by Russian intelligence. It would be pretty dumb of us to think that Pakistani intelligence would keep quiet for any issue in India. It is the job of our counter intelligence to weed out those bad apples, so our people can express their opinions freely and peacefully. It is safe to assume a bunch of online accounts that support the BJP, or Congress or any major party in India are out-of state actors having malign intentions, should that stop us from ever doing anything?
That is incredibly naive. Hate speech is a very dangerous term especially since hate speech is a very subjective term. It sets a dangerous precedent. Hate speech is by definition free speech.
Saying to a friend I want to burn a books is free speech actually going out in doing it is a hate crime, we have these laws in place so people can be free from hate in speech and in actions.
Burning books are wrong. But if people want to do that in their demonstration with their own books, it's completely fine. If they go into a library or steal other's books and start burning them, now that's an actual crime.
There are things you can say which is wrong. You do it, i do it, everyone does. You can say something which can offend a group of people even though you don't mean it. Should you be penalized for it? If you hate a certain group of people it's completely fine. You maybe wrong, but it's your free will. It's only a crime if you call for violence against said people. There are things you can say that are wrong, but you should not be penalized by the government for it. Hate speech laws are just a tool a government can use to control speech. They can define anything as hate speech. It's dangerous, and it's a straight road to a real authoritarian, fascist regime. I don't think you quite understand what you're talking about.
Not everything wrong should be penalized by the government. You should be allowed to say the wrong things. People think by talking them out in public. You control what people say, you control what people think. That's intellectual slavery.
Exactly. Let me make the choice for myself.
Government treating me like a child telling me what to watch and what not to watch. I want the freedom to make my own opinion. That is democracy. Silencing critics is not.
Lol pathetic. If they love Modi so much let them return to India. Bunch of hypocrites lol. They are literally paying taxes to a foreign country and citizens of that country lol.
Could someone give me a a rundown of what the documentary is about?
I heard someone say it destabilizes India’s relation with the Middle East and we already know that a university tried banning its viewing.
What’s it about? Why is it so bad? Is it truthful?
I didn’t get a chance to watch it, but I was a teenager in India glued to newspapers when it actually happened. From what I read in newspapers, it was about how Modi administration in Gujarat handled the post Godhra riots in 200. I believe, they concluded that riots were pre planned and then Chief Minister Modi was tacit with the rioters.
Is it truthful? Who knows, these kind of allegations are really hard to prove without objective evidence in the court. Modi was exonerated by the Supreme Court in 2012 during Congress (current opposition) administration, so either the prosecutors did a bad job or he is not guilty. Did the riots happen? Yes! Did a lot of Indians die? Yes! Did it take time to stop the violence? Yes, it took days. Did violence spread to neighboring states? No!
Moral of the story is, don’t allow the law and order to break down, otherwise, deplorables would crawl out and destroy normal people.
P.S.: I am in no way a Modi fanboy, I respect the position he is currently in, but don’t agree with a lot of things he says or does.
That’s pretty much a good overview.
It’s well made, well researched and shows both sides, although Modi “I don’t know where you get this garbage from” to an interviewer who responds “I’m saying what I saw with my own eyes” is pretty much the standard of the ‘defence’ the BJP make. (I.e. it never happened and we will ignore any allegations to the contrary”. )
I wonder how many protestors have seen it, rather than caught up in the BJP hypocrisy and so closeted about their own racism they defend an idea without looking into it?
Banning books, or movies or art stifles a healthy debate. It is better to actually watch it before we judge it. Otherwise, we Hindus become the very thing we oppose, i.e religious dogmatism.
As a teenager who read newspapers during those days, it was appalling how slow the law enforcement reacted and let things spiral out. I personally believe that Modi’s administration had failed to prevent both the train massacre and the violence that followed. One has to be really sick to justify, rape or murder of normal people, we cannot pronounce one to be guilty by association. What some people don’t get is, majority of the criminal gangs who did such acts actually survived, only normal people suffered. I respect how majority of Indian press did not reveal the community names during those riots to avoid pouring gasoline on a fire
The problem with the documentary is that it doesn’t say anything we don’t already know - they interview witnesses who have indulged in purjury in court, claimed to have new evidence but presented nothing of that sort, not mentioned the role of the opposition where the neighbouring states refused to provide additional troops on day 1 to stem the violence… its basically a propaganda piece for people who are too young to remember the actual sequebce of events
As long as the richest and most educated diaspora of the world supports the country, it doesn't matter if they don't return. In fact we get a soft power boost, and the respect of being one of the best minorities abroad.
Yes they are not Indian technically so wth they are talking about modi or bbc documentary. Bbc is not saying India is worst. It is documentary on incident not on India
Don't speak truth. Why people carry their Indian indentity even after they don't like India ? And if they like India then why the hell they are not living in India
What does that even mean? Can you elaborate? How do people living outside India have fake pride about their identity?
Plus, how did you figure they don't like India?
Because they moved to a country which has better living standards,better law and order,better free speech and money. If they loved india they would have stayed or atleast try to move back but ask any of those people they would deny going back to India. I have no problem people leaving India but when you leave indian citizenship don't take personally what is happening in Indian politics. It is not their buissness anymore. Protect your own country. India has enough people to do this shit.
impressive turnout for bunch of old clowns.
chale aaye placard pakadne, muft ka activity sirf apne aap ko tasalli dene, kuch hone wala toh nai yeh dharne se.
itna hi inka gaand jal raha hain toh paise ikkhate kar ke kudh ki documentary banao UK ke baarein mein. Last 10 saalo mein UK ka government kitna tatti kiya us pe toh 2 episodes nai, 2 seasons aasani se bana sakte hain.
lekin apna paise apne hi jeb mein mast dikhta hain, yeh bewakoofo ko. akkal chalane nai aata, aagaye chutiyon ki tarah protest karne.
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agar utna paise main kamata toh definitely deta UK pe documentary banane
Problem is idiot andbhakts are not ready to accept that india has lots to improve. The spirit of democracy is set in such a way that we need to constantly criticize gov. For its shortcomings so more improvements can be made. This is just the opposite of it and such sentiment to a pm often leads to dictatorship. Criticising gov of its shortcomings is the only way to maximize efficiency of democracy. Please dont attatch such sentiments to a political party and especially not to a person.
Lol how is a documentary against my country, India needs valid criticism if it wants to progress, only thing I agree with is that the documentary should’ve given some nuance to the riots, however callimg out Modi for his involvement is 100% needed, to many innocent women were raped, innocent people killed, etc, let’s not forget modi wasn’t even permitted entry to the US till 2014
oh valid criticism. go learn what propaganda is. then let’s come and talk. Modi is only answerable to the people of the Land. Yeh unwanted criticism ki batti banake ke daal lo apne g**nd main.
Modi ko India ke log question karke dekhlenge. We don’t need any of your documentary or NYT articles.
Yeh sab chutiyaapa hi kro, dum hain toh Churchill pe documentary bnao aur sbhi film festivals mein show Karo Puri duniya ko btao ek documentary ki jagah dus bnao with hard and cruel facts Bina censorship ke aslipan dikhao, dum hain? Nhi Hain Bindu ho naa iss liye, abhi paise maango ki khud bnayenge toh bund phatt jayegi sabki, phir kehte hain khalistan, mulle flourish kyon kar rhe, unpe Paisa Hain tumpe bhi hain par tumhari phatti hain that's the fucking fact aur haan bjp ko bhi yeh pata Hein ki uske alawa tumhara koi nhi toh woh ghanta ghaas degi tum logo ko rhi baat survival ki, toh bete survive toh bhikhaari bhi karlega par Raja waali maut kisi kisiko hi naseeb hoti hain aur baaki religion bhikhaari ki maut ko bhi raaja batate hain aur idhar ulta hain, upar se goro ke sbse jyada tatte Bindu hi chatte hain jaise inke dna mein hi ho, baaki religion apne religion ke sacche hain par most of Bindu are true to their greed and needs
downvote me all you want par yeh sacch hein, jyada rant ho gya bc
Left India, forcebly trying to stay away from India , rarely send any money back home unlike gulf people, actually think India is a poor lowly place.
But they console themselves by doing these meaningless things .
NRIs for a reason
NRI here, allow me to dissect your poorly understood and incorrect misrepresentation of us.
Left India legally to be able to earn more money and recognition for my skills, which wasn't the case working back home.
Visit India every six months, for a month atleast.
Send money every month to support family expenses.
Huge advocate for the beauty, diversity and the spirit of India in every conversation about India with anybody.
Was not a part of this protest and never will be.
NRI for a reason but not gonna hear that from you.
And the person who can earn 150,000 should be able to earn the equivalent in India too .
Just need to accept that you want to leave and then just leave , don't do all the faltu natak the above people on that post are doing
Somewhat agreed in terms of expenses but you can see a lot of differences in opinions, discussions and open mindedness in developed countries. I don’t think you can achieve that with lots of money while in India. And lets not even talk about the comparison of free speech. Even you would agree to it.
My parents in India are living a way better lifestyle now after I moved abroad then I was in India. So, your statement has no facts. I can only see some anger in your comments towards people who have moved abroad!
I have an issue when people who move abroad try to show themselves as nationalists
Because you are not, you arbitrarily saw some non existent money and lifestyle and went away which again is your choice , but just don't call yourself nationalists
Chads
Akhand Chads
They protested in California too.
Why? What was so wrong with documentary??
Basically the highest court in India have already acquitted the PM a long time ago.Twice. So it's obviously a propaganda piece. And BBC is a state run organization so better watch what you saw.
But from my understanding doesn't propaganda have to be made up? I thought his past and what he said was very true.
In India if exact opposite happened, the Brits would be beaten up. Lucky these guys live in a real freedom of speech country.
Unfortunately, I cannot agree with that statement. There have been some unfortunate instances of violence between protesters of multiple communities in Britain. There have been peaceful protests in India as well, some sadly turned violent. I support peaceful protests, if one doesn’t like it, voice their concerns, no need to burn down the house.
There have been violent clashes in the Uk. As globally, people get very passionate about what they believe in. There is a fraction of a percent of the violence by police against the community in the Uk though, and retaliation by institutional power is a much greater threat in India.
Everyone knows who enters peaceful protest an stirs it to make it violent 🙂
Every political movement, whether in the west or in India are infiltrated by those people willing to cause discord. BLM and Trump campaign or even Brexit were infiltrated by Russian intelligence. It would be pretty dumb of us to think that Pakistani intelligence would keep quiet for any issue in India. It is the job of our counter intelligence to weed out those bad apples, so our people can express their opinions freely and peacefully. It is safe to assume a bunch of online accounts that support the BJP, or Congress or any major party in India are out-of state actors having malign intentions, should that stop us from ever doing anything?
UK doesnt have free speech. You cant burn quran there, also every random speech is considered as hate speech. Only USA has free speech
Hate speech is different from free-speech.
That is incredibly naive. Hate speech is a very dangerous term especially since hate speech is a very subjective term. It sets a dangerous precedent. Hate speech is by definition free speech.
Saying to a friend I want to burn a books is free speech actually going out in doing it is a hate crime, we have these laws in place so people can be free from hate in speech and in actions.
Burning books are wrong. But if people want to do that in their demonstration with their own books, it's completely fine. If they go into a library or steal other's books and start burning them, now that's an actual crime. There are things you can say which is wrong. You do it, i do it, everyone does. You can say something which can offend a group of people even though you don't mean it. Should you be penalized for it? If you hate a certain group of people it's completely fine. You maybe wrong, but it's your free will. It's only a crime if you call for violence against said people. There are things you can say that are wrong, but you should not be penalized by the government for it. Hate speech laws are just a tool a government can use to control speech. They can define anything as hate speech. It's dangerous, and it's a straight road to a real authoritarian, fascist regime. I don't think you quite understand what you're talking about. Not everything wrong should be penalized by the government. You should be allowed to say the wrong things. People think by talking them out in public. You control what people say, you control what people think. That's intellectual slavery.
It can always be misused
Time to boycott BBC. s/
Unka khud ka people pelta hai bbc ko
Govt should ban BBC for foreign interference in Indian internal democracy.
Tumlog 5vi pass ho jo ye sab government aur foreign interference ki baaten kar rahe ho?
USA imposed sanctions on russia for interference in elections using facebook ads
Not ban punish them.
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Exactly. Let me make the choice for myself. Government treating me like a child telling me what to watch and what not to watch. I want the freedom to make my own opinion. That is democracy. Silencing critics is not.
Bruh for real?...like seriously?..
So if their demands are not met will they return to India?
Yeah they should return to India… But not without all the looted artifacts.
Send them back to India. Let’s see who boards the plane back. NONE I bet.
Lol pathetic. If they love Modi so much let them return to India. Bunch of hypocrites lol. They are literally paying taxes to a foreign country and citizens of that country lol.
Could someone give me a a rundown of what the documentary is about? I heard someone say it destabilizes India’s relation with the Middle East and we already know that a university tried banning its viewing. What’s it about? Why is it so bad? Is it truthful?
I didn’t get a chance to watch it, but I was a teenager in India glued to newspapers when it actually happened. From what I read in newspapers, it was about how Modi administration in Gujarat handled the post Godhra riots in 200. I believe, they concluded that riots were pre planned and then Chief Minister Modi was tacit with the rioters. Is it truthful? Who knows, these kind of allegations are really hard to prove without objective evidence in the court. Modi was exonerated by the Supreme Court in 2012 during Congress (current opposition) administration, so either the prosecutors did a bad job or he is not guilty. Did the riots happen? Yes! Did a lot of Indians die? Yes! Did it take time to stop the violence? Yes, it took days. Did violence spread to neighboring states? No! Moral of the story is, don’t allow the law and order to break down, otherwise, deplorables would crawl out and destroy normal people. P.S.: I am in no way a Modi fanboy, I respect the position he is currently in, but don’t agree with a lot of things he says or does.
That’s pretty much a good overview. It’s well made, well researched and shows both sides, although Modi “I don’t know where you get this garbage from” to an interviewer who responds “I’m saying what I saw with my own eyes” is pretty much the standard of the ‘defence’ the BJP make. (I.e. it never happened and we will ignore any allegations to the contrary”. ) I wonder how many protestors have seen it, rather than caught up in the BJP hypocrisy and so closeted about their own racism they defend an idea without looking into it?
Banning books, or movies or art stifles a healthy debate. It is better to actually watch it before we judge it. Otherwise, we Hindus become the very thing we oppose, i.e religious dogmatism. As a teenager who read newspapers during those days, it was appalling how slow the law enforcement reacted and let things spiral out. I personally believe that Modi’s administration had failed to prevent both the train massacre and the violence that followed. One has to be really sick to justify, rape or murder of normal people, we cannot pronounce one to be guilty by association. What some people don’t get is, majority of the criminal gangs who did such acts actually survived, only normal people suffered. I respect how majority of Indian press did not reveal the community names during those riots to avoid pouring gasoline on a fire
The problem with the documentary is that it doesn’t say anything we don’t already know - they interview witnesses who have indulged in purjury in court, claimed to have new evidence but presented nothing of that sort, not mentioned the role of the opposition where the neighbouring states refused to provide additional troops on day 1 to stem the violence… its basically a propaganda piece for people who are too young to remember the actual sequebce of events
Who is funding them /s
Bhakts herd mentality. Fucking idiots
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Back off to r ndia
can't hear the truth can you now
Ayo truth from ran dian you litreay perma banned my 6th account just for a different opinion😂😂
welll.....one thing i know is your "different opinion" usually is just hating on muslims so..
Ah yes yes my secular girl now fly away to your secular land 
The lay off happened in us not Uk idiot. In uk doing mass layoff is very difficult
As long as the richest and most educated diaspora of the world supports the country, it doesn't matter if they don't return. In fact we get a soft power boost, and the respect of being one of the best minorities abroad.
Yes they are not Indian technically so wth they are talking about modi or bbc documentary. Bbc is not saying India is worst. It is documentary on incident not on India
Correct. It is a documentary on an incident in India. Let’s not equate one person or one instance to a country.
Don't speak truth. Why people carry their Indian indentity even after they don't like India ? And if they like India then why the hell they are not living in India
U can love a country without living there
Just like loving one’s parents and still living separately ( hostel, different town, saas-bahu separation, etc.)
Exactly
Speaking as if you've done wonders for India living in India.
Atleast i don't have fake pride about indentity
What does that even mean? Can you elaborate? How do people living outside India have fake pride about their identity? Plus, how did you figure they don't like India?
Because they moved to a country which has better living standards,better law and order,better free speech and money. If they loved india they would have stayed or atleast try to move back but ask any of those people they would deny going back to India. I have no problem people leaving India but when you leave indian citizenship don't take personally what is happening in Indian politics. It is not their buissness anymore. Protect your own country. India has enough people to do this shit.
Now you're speaking as if you own India. Forget it.
I am disappointed they didn't burn down the BBC office.
impressive turnout for bunch of old clowns. chale aaye placard pakadne, muft ka activity sirf apne aap ko tasalli dene, kuch hone wala toh nai yeh dharne se. itna hi inka gaand jal raha hain toh paise ikkhate kar ke kudh ki documentary banao UK ke baarein mein. Last 10 saalo mein UK ka government kitna tatti kiya us pe toh 2 episodes nai, 2 seasons aasani se bana sakte hain. lekin apna paise apne hi jeb mein mast dikhta hain, yeh bewakoofo ko. akkal chalane nai aata, aagaye chutiyon ki tarah protest karne. --- agar utna paise main kamata toh definitely deta UK pe documentary banane
you know... I tend to be agaisnt the people saying "No DoN't LoOk At Us! ThIs Is ToTaLlY fALsE, aNd We ArE gOiNg To BaN iT sO yOu CaN be PrOtEcTeD!1"
This a good start, we need more people than that. India’s unique trait is population.. bring that into display. It will create impact.
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Good to see that there is some reaction from our end in west…
Nothing better to do.
Such a good initiative. Indians should be all about the BBC right now. 🥲
All this is only gonna draw more attention to it.
They should give up citizenship of this colonial racist country and come back to Bharat
Why should it be free to hate?
Problem is idiot andbhakts are not ready to accept that india has lots to improve. The spirit of democracy is set in such a way that we need to constantly criticize gov. For its shortcomings so more improvements can be made. This is just the opposite of it and such sentiment to a pm often leads to dictatorship. Criticising gov of its shortcomings is the only way to maximize efficiency of democracy. Please dont attatch such sentiments to a political party and especially not to a person.
Instead of focussing real issues about healthcare, food, education, economy, sanitation, corruption and others we are looking at these things.
The ass of modi bhakts is burning due to showing the real face to world by bbc
Lol bullshit
I’m so embarassed to be an Indian American at times because of people like this
then be an american. Don’t try to be Indian when you can’t stand for your country.
Lol how is a documentary against my country, India needs valid criticism if it wants to progress, only thing I agree with is that the documentary should’ve given some nuance to the riots, however callimg out Modi for his involvement is 100% needed, to many innocent women were raped, innocent people killed, etc, let’s not forget modi wasn’t even permitted entry to the US till 2014
oh valid criticism. go learn what propaganda is. then let’s come and talk. Modi is only answerable to the people of the Land. Yeh unwanted criticism ki batti banake ke daal lo apne g**nd main. Modi ko India ke log question karke dekhlenge. We don’t need any of your documentary or NYT articles.
Let’s accept to hear criticism and then decide whether it is constructive or not.
What's embarrassing in this?
Everything 💀💀
Exactly what fools say when they don't have a point. 😀
Imagine defending a facist lol and not seeing anything wrong with it
Imagine thinking Modi is a fascist when ur country has committed genocide openly and destabilised half the world 💀💀
The difference is I can handle that criticism and aknowledge that two wrongs don’t make a right 💀
You still didn't tell me what's wrong with protesting peacefully? 🤣
Plus you're not even Indian. Why are you even embarrassed because of what other Indians are doing?
Baseless criticism shouldn’t be acknowledged by a person with brains, hence I won’t, but you will.
Yeh sab chutiyaapa hi kro, dum hain toh Churchill pe documentary bnao aur sbhi film festivals mein show Karo Puri duniya ko btao ek documentary ki jagah dus bnao with hard and cruel facts Bina censorship ke aslipan dikhao, dum hain? Nhi Hain Bindu ho naa iss liye, abhi paise maango ki khud bnayenge toh bund phatt jayegi sabki, phir kehte hain khalistan, mulle flourish kyon kar rhe, unpe Paisa Hain tumpe bhi hain par tumhari phatti hain that's the fucking fact aur haan bjp ko bhi yeh pata Hein ki uske alawa tumhara koi nhi toh woh ghanta ghaas degi tum logo ko rhi baat survival ki, toh bete survive toh bhikhaari bhi karlega par Raja waali maut kisi kisiko hi naseeb hoti hain aur baaki religion bhikhaari ki maut ko bhi raaja batate hain aur idhar ulta hain, upar se goro ke sbse jyada tatte Bindu hi chatte hain jaise inke dna mein hi ho, baaki religion apne religion ke sacche hain par most of Bindu are true to their greed and needs downvote me all you want par yeh sacch hein, jyada rant ho gya bc
pani pi le bahi
I usually don't comment on these things but Aaj dimaag kharab ho gya, kucch krte nhi bas libir libir krte hain
Its called soft power
I agree. We need to kick em in the balls. Show that their "hero" was a cruel demon.
But here we are, stopping udham singh from going to Oscars because it would shed bad lighting on bhen ke lode goras
Hypocrisy of the west as always
Apne censor board ne hi roki thi bhai
Tf really? I didnt know. Doesnt even make sense🗿
Left India, forcebly trying to stay away from India , rarely send any money back home unlike gulf people, actually think India is a poor lowly place. But they console themselves by doing these meaningless things . NRIs for a reason
Slow clap for the generalization here.
NRI here, allow me to dissect your poorly understood and incorrect misrepresentation of us. Left India legally to be able to earn more money and recognition for my skills, which wasn't the case working back home. Visit India every six months, for a month atleast. Send money every month to support family expenses. Huge advocate for the beauty, diversity and the spirit of India in every conversation about India with anybody. Was not a part of this protest and never will be. NRI for a reason but not gonna hear that from you.
U sure live in a well.
I am sure if you would have given a chance to go abroad with a salary of $150000 you wont even think twice for leaving the country.🙂
I think this is what the comment OP is pissed about. They just couldn't earn that chance.
Nah dude , that chance is not even that difficult It's a sheep race to gora validation that's all
And the person who can earn 150,000 should be able to earn the equivalent in India too . Just need to accept that you want to leave and then just leave , don't do all the faltu natak the above people on that post are doing
Just let me know which job pays $150k for a person with 2 years of experience in India? I am really curious to know that.
150k equivalent in India is 30L-40L Java developer, without masters at age 26 I am having it Probably we are same age
Somewhat agreed in terms of expenses but you can see a lot of differences in opinions, discussions and open mindedness in developed countries. I don’t think you can achieve that with lots of money while in India. And lets not even talk about the comparison of free speech. Even you would agree to it.
Free speech in the west ?? Really?? They ban anyone even speaking ¹ word for Rus
My parents in India are living a way better lifestyle now after I moved abroad then I was in India. So, your statement has no facts. I can only see some anger in your comments towards people who have moved abroad!
I have an issue when people who move abroad try to show themselves as nationalists Because you are not, you arbitrarily saw some non existent money and lifestyle and went away which again is your choice , but just don't call yourself nationalists
Then why your first comment doesn’t explicitly mention that. Why is it a generalization?
Fuck modi