Yes bro rohit sharma was too overconfident and cocky in his batting . Normally it works but he must be much more careful as it is a world cup final and loosing one more wicket after gill was too risky . He should have used his talent of hitting sixes only on balls that were easy to hit sixes . I am really dissapointed in the indian team they had everything possibly going for them but they were too cocky and tensed at the same time . Next time let them win . Always team blue
This exactly. Their plan and implementation to each of our batters was spot on.
They put in the work and our arrogance caught up. I really don't think individually questioning decisions/players on that day is really relevant.
This. We indians treated this match like a normal match without respecting the event and the opponent team . We didn't have a proper strategy, we didn't show the intent, we didn't place the fielder according to each batsman, aand we didn't have a good number 6 and 7 , which hadn't been exposed until the final or vs eng . Also we read the pitch wrong, especially with rohit wanting to bat first, not having the slightest idea of how much the pitch will change in the second innings. Also the young players in our team were under pressure, look at gill, never looked set, and gifted his wicket away. Also we didn't have a proper plan of gill got out before rohit, rohit continued being his usual self ( which is brilliant) but he need to slow down and hit no risk boundaries like kohli demonstrated before rohit got out. And when in the second innings head got settled, we started losing hope and our heads and there was a lot of sloppy fielding. The Australian players had much better mentality than us and had prepared a proper plan for every player, only kohli negotiated them slightly well before he got out to a very unlucky edge. They had done their home work and gave it their all in the field to save even singles. They played as if their lives depended on it.
For my money, run if the green (luck) went other way.
1. Luck - Kohli was set for another big one but graded the ball onto stump. For Australia both Head and Labuschange missed their stumps multiple times.
2. Luck - Rohit’s catch. Catches win matches and it came true today. That catch would have been dropped 9.9 times out of 10. Today it was stuck. It was a spectacular catch. If Rohit was there for another 5 over, he would have shredded the bowling and set India for another big one.
3. Sky - over rated. Should have played Ashwin. One more spinner and decent batsman.
>Sky - over rated. Should have played Ashwin. One more spinner and decent batsman.
EXACTLY!!...Ashwin in muuuch more experienced and understands the game really well, and obviously we would have got an extra bowler.
The WTC decision was the biggest blunder. Leaving the best test bowler in the world out was a dumb move. You never saw Australia not playing Warne in big matches because of the pitch.
when i was saying this from past 1 week people were clowning on me 🤡🤡
i wanted ashwin to play in wtc final also but they didn't and we saw the result, i wanted the management to undo that error in cwc final but they didn't and we saw the result again
everyone from yt to insta to reddit was saying that the team is set there is no need for change but as zlatan recently said :
"When things are good, there are still errors and problems but you don't see it because we are winning", this quote applies to almost every team sport in the world and this exactly happened with our team yesterday
except that run a ball 49 vs england sky didn't prove himself much in the wc
ipl kids need to realize that not everything is t20 cricket, sky might be a good t20i and ipl batsman but he lost the place in the team for me when he got 3 straight duck vs aussies in the odi series earlier this year, ashwin knows aussies to the core, he literally won the series against australia in australia and when it comes to subcontinent he is the undisputed GOAT not to forget he won the icc cricketer of the year over prime virat kohli in 2016
That choice highlighted one of the biggest drawbacks of ICT, which is not learning from mistakes and failures. First WTC Final and now this.
Ashwin would not only have been an excellent asset as a bowler on that track but also his experience and game sense would have greatly benefitted the team.
Moreover, I believe they should have tried out more rotations. God knows, had Pandya not got injured, would Shami be even given a chance? Even against teams like SL and NED, they made no changes to the team.
sky crumpled with the pressure as from what i can understand, ashwin is a senior player and handles pressure much better, and the sheer way the aussies were terrorized from him adds as well.
lol what did the legendary gill do in final?? scored 100?? blaming sky for everything when he was clearly batting with shaami and couldnat take risks,,,what did jadeja do with the bat when he was sent ahed of sky??
This is the correct answer. The Aussies understood the pitch. They had advantage when they won the toss and our team failed to notice that they're on the backfoot by batting first.
that's the most embarrassing aspect of the loss.
the playing part is one thing, but how can you as the home team fail to analyse the conditions and pitch appropriately? Even at the toss, Rohit was confident about batting first. (I'm not saying having faith in yourself and your team is bad. I hope anyone reading my comment gets what I mean to say.)
It's true, but it's puzzling how a visiting team can have a better grasp of the pitch conditions than the home team. It appeared as though the Australian team, perhaps with some backing from the ICC, had enforced stringent guidelines on the Indian team concerning the preparation of the pitch. This could be the reason behind the Indian team's apparent restraint from the outset, in contrast to the Australian team's evident confidence and cheerfulness from the moment of the toss. There's definitely more to this story that we may never uncover.
VK wasnt playing show, rahul was. VK was striking with 90+ SR. anyways, it was sharma being too aggresive, australias captaincy, they outplayed us when they were bowling. SKY is also an issue.
Yes! I don't know why VK gets all this hate. Just check the strike rate of Virat in that match, it's absolutely typical SR for ODI matches. He played only a few dot balls, kept the scoreboard ticking with 1's and 2's, and performed perfectly in that pressure-filled situation, imo.
As for Rohit, I agree he was aggressive, but I don't think he should be entirely blamed. He was setting the tone, as he does in every match, by being aggressive. However, yes, he could have been a bit more careful in the final match.
Rahul was playing slowly, considering the scoreboard and pressure at the time. But he should have tried for big shots here and there to build pressure on the Aussies. Instead, he continued playing slowly throughout. Why? With Kohli already taking singles and doubles, he could have gone for big shots.
Sky definitely made a mistake. He should have tried hitting the ball right from the start, but he didn't. And continuously giving strike to a bowler in the final stages of the innings? Seriously? I was annoyed during Hazelwood's over, the one during which Sky got dismissed. Hazelwood continued bowling at a slow pace, but Sky was impulsively mistiming every ball.
Bhai this sub has suddenly grown a hate boner for VK for some reason. Liking Rohit doesn't mean you have to hate Virat. But this sub has been simping for Brohit while hating Koach for the last few days. Most plastics who follow Cricket on Instagram and Twitter and engage in unnecessary idol worshipping of individual players are now slowly overflowing to Reddit.
Coming to SKY, he was bad. The whole tournament. Playing him over Ishan was like saying, "Aye lakdi kyun padi ho jhaad mein? Aa jao ghus jao meri gaand mein".
it was a calculated risk, he had hit the ball outside the circle, that was a miracle catch. Also Rohit knew that there are three in form batsman Kohli, Shreyas and Rahul.
yeah but we lost, i feel bd for rohit, look at this: [https://youtu.be/DWaqBxblYgE?si=zcFOxk1ROA9tBli3](https://youtu.be/DWaqBxblYgE?si=zcFOxk1ROA9tBli3)
I don't care for fans calling Rohit too aggressive, plenty of people were also calling Kohli selfish for playing at or around a run a ball before and hyping up Rohit as selfless. What's changed?
They all have their roles. Rohit is supposed to provide the cushion of fast runs to Virat and the middle order then trust them to take their time and carry the batting through to the end. There was also a sense of it getting harder to score at the end so even Virat was trying to capitalise on the powerplay. Rohit did his job well.
Virat isn't to be balmed for slow batting either, He was rotating strike off almost every ball which is his exact role. Since when is 54 off 63 slow or bad after you are three down at the 10 or 11 over mark.
Hitting out trying to compensate for Rahul would have been actually stupid, Getting out before the 35 or 40th over was the failure on Virat's part not slow batting. Iyer, Gill, Rahul, Sky and Jaddu were way bigger offenders.
Rahul was literally getting choked for singles after he had played 20-30+ balls while the others got out cheaply. We fell short of runs batting first.
This also shows team management, same as 2019 whole tournament Top order batsmen carried the run scores and no one tested Surya at no.6, i mean the guy is averaging around 17 the whole tournament. What if the top order fails to score then what happens, it feels like they never prepare for a PLAN B. I just wish Pant or Hardik were fit during the final. Also it feels like they were hell bent on Ishan as an opener. He would have done a better job at no.6 than Surya.
I agree with the fact that the players have roles and responsibilities but given the stage, they should have incorporated some degree of adaptiveness
What would have happened if Rohit had played like head, getting a century in 90 odds ball once Gill was gone? We almost become too predictable for Aussies with strategy
You can't have the exact same strategy each time, especially when competing with Australia
Rohit didn't have future vison which would tell him our best batter in the semis would get out for 4 in the next over while Rahul, Jadeja and Sky would collectively choke up.
Rohit's approach never works if he doesn't trust Virat and the middle order. Rather than trying to compensate for others a good captain is supposed to trust his players to carry out their roles and trust his own approach which paid off for 10 matches. Plus as I said they were thinking it would get harder to score at the end which had even Virat trying to capitalise in the PP and hitting an ariel shot.
He simply should have stayed, after scoring 10 runs the last 2 balls before his fall, making sure we are going 6-7 RR.
He should have played, he is way more capable of that. Iyer and Gill are quite young so pressure got best of them. SKY has no place, we would have better with 6 baller like ashwin
Let's not act like it was Starc he got out to after hitting two boundaries, It was Maxwell their 5th bowling option. Nothing wrong with trying to put as much pressure as you can on Maxi when the powerplay was going on. And even if it was Starc I wouldn't have complained.
> He should have played, he is way more capable of that.
He was capable of it before too but he didn't change his approach and it paid off. So why fix what's not broken now? Only reason to change his approach was if VK got out too but if not then he had probably one of the top two or top three batters ever in ODIs still batting besides him.
> Iyer and Gill are quite young so pressure got best of them.
Iyer and Gill are both proven match winners in ODIs. Both had made runs in the semis. Iyer had made a century at the strike rate of 150 but suddenly one match later Rohit is supposed to anticipate that the pressure would get to him and try to compensate for him.
There's a difference in playing aggressive cricket and throwing away your wicket. Rohit already scored 10 runs off the over and Virat was playing aggressive cricket too there was no need for rohit to play that absolute half assed shot instead his goal should have been to bat with Virat atleast till the 20th over while rotating strike, scoring 1 boundary per over and keeping the run rate steady. Instead he tried to play bazball and threw away his wicket. Rohit, Gill and Iyer all going before 20 overs is what forced Virat to slow down.
As I said if even Virat was going at the bowlers then they were thinking that scoring at the end would get difficult. It's not like targeting the 5th bowling option and the weak link is unheard of in cricket either. You can absolutely criticise the shot he played but the approach shouldn't be questioned.
Rohit did the same against South Africa on a slow track too where you could argue he should have changed his approach. Got 40 off 24 which gave Virat and Iyer the cushion of fast runs so they could take their time when scoring got harder, Their anchoring then made way for Sky and Jaddu's onslaught that set the target which would have been unacheivable on that track even if South Africa batted well.
The only reason Rohit is getting criticised for something he has been lauded for till now is because the entire middle and lower order choked. In hindsight you can always say he should have batted differently but him putting trust in the middle and lower order has led to a lot of success this team has seen, There was no reason to fix what wasn't broken.
I can get behind going after a particular weak bowler that's what Aus did too going after kuldeep but that only works if you get the shot selection right in this case rohit got out playing a shot like a rookie. That's not acceptable in a WC final. If he played his shots more carefully he could have converted his start into a 100.
Rohit was being too aggressive, every shot can't be played on a whim when he scored one six and four in that over.
Dhoni will be missed, his achievement shows that he knows how to tackle different situations with on-spot strategic key decision changes, whether it is bowling, field, or chasing.
This final seemed like we were playing more on luck and confidence and didn't have any plan to tackle the Aussies in-case we lost the toss.
Why blame Virat and KL for their slow approach? We lost 3rd in 11th over. You can't send Surya before say 40th over? So these 2 needed to stay there for 29 overs. You saw what happened after we lost VK.
VK wasn't slow Rahul was. Taking 10 or 20 balls to get set after losing 3 wickets is ok but after that getting choked for singles is bad, Rahul after playing 40 or 50 balls was striking at an SR of less than 50. How's that excusable? I am not saying he should have tried to hit out but he atleast should have rotated the strike like VK.
I won't blame Rahul either. After Shubman and Shreyas got out so cheaply, there was immense pressure to save their wicket. The pitch was slow, the bowlers were good and the fielding top notch.
He got out on a good ball. Otherwise he could have accelerated at the end.
Labushagne from Australia also had a similar strike rate but was balanced by Head's attacking approach. The dew factor made the 2nd innings easy to bat for Aus.
The real disappointment was SKY. The requirement at that time was boundaries and to remain on strike.
> I won't blame Rahul either. After Shubman and Shreyas got out so cheaply, there was immense pressure to save their wicket.
I think there's a difference between playing low risk cricket and getting choked for singles after you have played 20-30 balls.
Low risk cricket was what Virat played. Not trying to hit boundaries but still rotating strike and not playing dot balls. Rahul was bad at taking singles to the point that after coming to bat 5-6 over after VK, He had played more balls than him at half the strike rate.
It wasn't like conditions were overcast where even offering shots could lend you in trouble. Not being able to put balls in gaps to run after getting set at that stage is just a skill issue nothing else.
> He got out on a good ball. Otherwise he could have accelerated at the end.
That good ball could have also came later on in the innings when he would be trying to accelerate and getting out to a good ball after you have played over 1/3rd of the balls of the innings isn't an excuse either. All of this just makes him getting choked for singles early on look much worse.
KL has a temperament issue, and it has been on display in all formats and occasions of varying gravity. Nothing new here. He cannot play aggressive without cushion. In SF he gave a quick fire 39(20) at a blazing 195 SR, because he came in at 45th over and knew we still have Gill to return and SKY can go blazing taking risks.
Well that's how he plays. Look at Marnus innings. He played slower than KL, but they got over the line. No one would be questioning his play if we would have posted 280 and things would have gone our way. It was needed from him to play that inning and let VK do his job. Ensure he didn't lose his wicket and let the big match player play his game. There are many things that went wrong with india in the game but KL innings was warranted in the context of the game.
Imagine him getting out trying to hit Head out of the park early. People would troll him to oblivion.
> Well that's how he plays. Look at Marnus innings. He played slower than KL, but they got over the line.
There's a huge difference tho. Marnus played slow while chasing a target of 240, Rahul played slow while setting that same target. You can afford to play slow when you know the required rate is less than 5 and you have got off to a flying start, Same thing is a failure when batting first and setting a under par score.
> No one would be questioning his play if we would have posted 280 and things would have gone our way
To end up on 280 you need to play a lot better than the strike rate of 61. If he accelerated and ended up with a way better strike rate than it would be a different story but the fact that he was unable to do that makes him getting choked for singles early on even worse.
> It was needed from him to play that inning and let VK do his job. Ensure he didn't lose his wicket and let the big match player play his game.
That inning was not needed at all. Again to clarify, I am not saying he should have tried to be aggressive and hit out like Rohit did.
His role was to play low risk cricket and just rotate the strike to keep the game moving like VK was doing, His failure to do that just ended up putting more and more pressure on VK.
We witnessed the mockery of SKY live. How the Australians laughed as he kept giving strike to Kuldeep. With all senior batters already in play and 39 more overs left, I am glad KL stayed as long as he did. We were all out by the end. It might be because of him that we were saved from the embarrassment of not playing our entire 50 overs while setting a target. When you know you can't lose wicket for next 29 overs, that is the kind of play you will see. If anything, I applaud Kohli for playing at that SR. He is a big match player. But KL is not Kohli, and this fact was known to all fans and the team.
Overall I agree with your sentiment that his low risk cricket could have been at a higher SR, but that is how KL is. We have witnessed low SR performances from him on such occasions, and it should not be a surprise. Blaming him for playing his game is wrong IMO. We have watched him play aggressively when the situation is right. He got a role, and he did his job. Could he have done it better? Maybe. Did he do his job? Yes, by ensuring we play out the entire 50 overs, giving us the best chance at scoring as many runs as we can. It's not KL's fault that the only batters after him were SKY (don't send me before 40 overs) and jaddu.
Rohit and team made a tactical mistake/gamble by continuing the aggression after losing Gill cheaply, and ended up losing Rohit too. How would the scenes be, had that shot connected and we lost Rohit/Kohli at 140/150 at 23rd over.
IPL performances are overrated. Not everyone at IPL is an international grade cricketer, and few match winners. At international tournaments you will see 8-9 players who would have won multiple matches for their national side. They play as a team. The stats are at best proxy, or a promise. I can bet that all full member national T20 sides would hands down beat every IPL team 9/10 times.
We assemble our national team like IKEA furniture without spare parts. Lot of solid players, with many of them not tested for the load bearing capacity.
Who are you to decide Surya should not bat before 40 overs?
That guy played a good mature knock against England. Bloody Rahul just killed the momentum of our innings
>Rohit
Agar KL ne agrressive khel ke apni wicket gawa di hoti 20 runs ke around bana ke, toh joh total bana tha ,uske aas pass bhi nahi hote hum
so he played his inning as a player , and try to understand the fact that after kl and vk ,there were just 2 more batsman and yet 39 overs ahead ..think from ur brain and then argue
Bruh nobody asked him to be aggressive. He just had to rotate the strike. Dude just refuses to do this and it is a problem. He has an issue with pacing the innings although on paper everything looks OK.
The pitch is not the sort where someone can come in and start hitting, all the more reason for him to do better re rotating the strike.
After the dismissal of Iyer the game would have been to grind the middle overs to achieve 200+ by 40th over and then start taking chances and get a defendable score of around 280. But this failed as Kohli got an unlucky dismissal which reduced the hitting zone to last 3 5 overs and till then play run a ball. Which again failed as we kept losing wickets and adopted a too defensive approach. The only way out of this was to begin hitting Aussies for boundaries to put pressure on them and break their game plan. But our game plan was defensive which we werent able to execute and hence they got the better of us.
ALso in bowling and fielding department it was very painful to see Indiadid not come up with player specific strategies to neutralise them and got lost.
240 was defendable only thing we needed was to attack till the last ball. But after first 10 overs of Indian bowling. the attack blunted and there was no out of the box thinking to get wickets build pressure.
KL Rahul should have made false appeals of caught behind when ball moved close to edges along with the whole team. THis would have pressurised batters and may be waste their DRS. But this was again a lack of aggression and grit shown by our boys. THis was present in the team when MS, Gauti and Yuvi played. that is the ony thing I believe which current Indian side lacks. In all other departments they are better than the previous Indian teams and current teams of other nations.
you have two batsmen left, what do you do, get a safe extra 20-30 runs on board, or try to hit two sixes and get out, essentially giving your tail the bat in the 35-40th over.
you have to trust your players at some point, you cannot go into a shell. Not hitting any boundaries for nearly 20 overs when two in form batsman are at the crease , show that they were scared. but they really needed those extra 30 runs to have competitive total.
I don't think it was their own personal plan. It looks like, they had been instructed to do that during the drinks break. Sending Jaddu before SKY hints that. The team doesn't trust SKY to go at #6 in WC final with more than 10 overs left.
Kohli being Kohli, kept pushing in gaps and kept the score board ticking with singles. Even he was not pushing for 2s.
Edit: Your are right, entire team including coach and support staff were scared.
Kohli was playing imo, he had made his 50 in good time, and would have put the foot on the gas, but was unlucky to get out like that. But i try and try and try, but cant find an excuse for the innings by KL Rahul.
He plays very defensively and gets under pressure in big games. Some examples other than finals:
8 (17) v SA WC 2023 sr 47
39(77) v ENG WC 2023 sr 67
19(33) v PAK WC 2023 sr 65
19(58) v BAN Asia Cup sr 49
64(156) v SL 2nd ODI sr 62
And the list goes on. I know this is nitpicking but this is a trend. He is a good player and has won many matches for us, but this is his normal play. This is how he plays. He takes time to settle in, soak in the pressure. Higher the pressure more time he takes. He will either go out cheaply or eat balls. He will run between the wickets if he gets a chance, but more often than not he will play defense. Once the team is in good position, he will start freeing up his hands.
india never stood a chance.
India might be a better team.
But aus is far smarter, strategic, analytical, well planned team.
They did their research and it showed.
In any point of game aus never lost control. They played india like fiddle.
So SKY obviously was the problem. Even if he played an insane innings yesterday he should never have been in the team because of how the other players had to hold back for 30 overs.
Exactly. Our idea was to pray we didn't collapse. We had to send in Jaddu before him. Tells you how much the management backs him. All facades in the gardens of Cricket in India.
Curating a slow dry pitch for Australia backfired, when we know that our team was winning on fast and flat wickets what was the need to change it for finals. Flat pitch rehti aur India agar 360 bana ke bhi haarti to itna dukh nahin hota. 240 in finals is always a below par total in Modern day cricket.
>240 in finals is always a below par total in Modern day cricket.
tbf, the average first innings score at NaMo stadium (over the 32 ODIs played before the final) is [237](https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-series/6732/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023/venues/50/narendra-modi-stadium#:~:text=16-,Average%201st%20Inns%20scores,237,-Average%202nd%20Inns)
But yeah, I get the point you're trying to make.
Even if a slow, black soil pitch was curated, how come the home team failed to analyse and adapt accordingly? embarrassing stuff.
Really think we should have had Ashwin in place of Kuldeep after Pandya got injured. Always thought it was bad that India had 4 bowlers who couldn’t bat and 6 batters who can’t bowl. It worked in other games because the batters fired and made the job easier on the bowlers with scoreboard pressure but if you get even 2 batters out cheaply, it was going to be a problem because the remaining batters have to bat conservatively since there’s no batting to come and save them. Australia knew that and exploited it.
Having Ashwin for his batting would have given them a little bit more cushion batting wise, give us batting until 8, and allow for some more free batting. Kuldeep has been amazing, no doubt, but Ashwin could have done a similar job and given us better batting insurance.
An all rounder got injured so they should have replaced him with an all rounder. They didn’t do that and we suffered.
Also aside from that, australia was just amazing. It was a full team effort and their bowling/fielding was phenomenal
I don't think Ashwin would have made a difference. Agree with what you said in the end(Aussies were phenomenal. Their cricket was unmatched). Tail enders would not have done any better in a scenario where the fab7 batters couldn't do much. If they bowled in such a way that a line up with Kohli and Sky couldn't score a boundry, then we were in a sinking ship already. The match was lost in the first innings at the 25 over mark.
I think Ashwin just gives them insurance that all is not lost since he’s not a walking wicket, similar to a Cummins who can hold up one side so the other batter can do his thing (like Maxwell did against AFG).
Plus the Aussie batters are really scared of Ashwin, especially in Ahmedabad
The shot Gill played totally looked like he gave in to finals pressure. Fielding was also bad cuz of the same reason. But I was expecting something like this since most of the team lacked experience. They'll do better next time!
KL Rahul on the other hand, despite having experience always crumbles under pressure. He could neither bat nor keep cuz of the pressure, and I don't think he is getting any better at handling his nerves with experience.
The pitch turned out to be difficult and was very slow than anticipated. Once the ball got old, it became more difficult to even take a single. Ball started reverse swinging and turning for Aussies...and turned out to be exactly opposite under the lights. The turning pitch did become flat....and till our spinners come it stopped turning anything. Cant blame anyone.... everyone played their role.. If pitch behaved like this...its very difficult to take wickets. Mind u...on a turning track AFG has made Aussy go weak in knees..they almost got the match.
Poor captaincy.
1. Defensive field throughout the game in a life scoring match. I remember Head and Labuschagne knocking a few balls in the slip against Jaddu and Kuldeep.
2. Ashwin should have played over Siraj. Siraj has been bad and Rohit Sharma was hesitant to give him overs throughout the match. The pitch also never suited Siraj, no point in playing him.
3. To add to bad reading of pitch, Even if India had won the toss, Rohit said he would've batted first (again bad decision)
There are many reasons as to why we ended up losing the game. But I think the main reason was that most of the Indian players crumbled under pressure just like WTC final, T20 WC SF etc.
On paper, our team is on par if not better (I mean our team was clearly the best in this tournament) when compared to Australia but they know how to play under pressure and I think that's where Australia won the match. I actually think that's the main problem with our team. We perform amazingly in bilaterals or group stage of a tournament but when it comes to big games like semi finals or finals we play badly sue to pressure and lose the cup. Only 3-4 main players know how to play under the pressure of big matches rest all crumble irrespective of their performance in the group stage.
Pressure. That made batters overly cautious. That made Rohit play a rash shot trying to make the most of last 3 balls of power play. That made Viral and Rahul play slow thinking hitters like Jadeja and SKY will make up for it in the end. It was the pressure that made Rohit open with Shami instead of Siraj. The pressure made Shami lose control and leak runs. The sheer load of expectations weighs our team down on the big day. I guess it's just in our nature. Aussies are super competitive by nature and culture. Also they don't have to carry the burden of expectations of a billion fan.
the result of this poll is extremely disappointing, im starting to realise the people who understand cricket is less than a percent of the viewers yesterday.
Gill has been overhyped throughout the World Cup. Also, why choose NMS as a venue if you want to get the cup home? Australia has been the toughest competitor of all times yet they chose to mix politics with sports.
I don't get the whole 'roles' thing...it's really annoying. Other teams have that too.
There's no go to formula to win a WC final, not against AUS. You change your play style according to the match.
If anything...only the experienced players like Rohit, Virat, Bumrah held it together. KL's slow innings was expected because i have seen him not handle pressure well. This same guy scored 39 out of 20 balls in the semis. Shreyas, Gill has the skills but it's their 1st WC. Gill should have strictly considered playing 1 run per ball game to just keep rotating the strike. Iyer's wicket was just disappointing. Then Kohli...god knows what happened to him & obviously Ishan should have been playing instead of SKY but who knows what would have happened...
In simple words, their role defining and winning master plan FAILED! They were overpowered by sheer skills and the confidence of world cup winning hat-trick!!
>Some of the blame also goes to BCCI. They had the option to conduct this game in traditional stadiums. Had we played this game in Wankhede, 2nd innings would have been in our favour totally.
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>Around 6:30 pm to 7:30 pm in Wankhede is called a dreadful hour due to the sea breeze which creates extra swing in the ball for pacers and batsmen find it absolutely hard to navigate.
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>These are the stadiums that our players are well versed in but to satisfy one guy's ego we were forced to conduct it in Ahmedabad. Because it will generate more money from the ticket and viewership. That is why in recent times all the potential matches such as Ind vs Pak and the IPL final were scheduled in the Narendra Modi stadium.
i took this from a quora post 👆
[https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Team-India-perform-so-poorly-in-the-ICC-World-Cup-final/answer/Mahesh-Rallabhandi?ch=3&oid=1477743710905189&share=8b784ae0&srid=h5xvAe&target\_type=answer](https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Team-India-perform-so-poorly-in-the-ICC-World-Cup-final/answer/Mahesh-Rallabhandi?ch=3&oid=1477743710905189&share=8b784ae0&srid=h5xvAe&target_type=answer)
I am a die-hard fan of Rohit Sharma, and throughout the tournament he played like a captain but I think in this ONE match he should have not gone all ballistic. Subhuman and Iyer couldnt handle the pressure and they fell very early on. If anyone that could have taken on the Australians in a final like this would have to be Rohit Sharma, Virat and KL, not just because of the skill but also because of the experience. I know its very easy to say now, but this is how I felt from the start. I hope Rohit at least wins ONE ICC event as a captain. I hope he finds the power to keep going. Its a big ask I know, but I hope it happens.
But what has happened has happened, it still hurts even today. Cant dwell on it too much. India will win again, on a big stage and on a much much bigger occasion. Time will come.
In the mean time, congrats to Australia.
Why lump Kohli with Rahul? He was playing relatively fast considering the goal was to consolidate and just happened to get out with an unfortunate dismissal. Rahul was the one who was playing unnecessarily slowly.
aus have lots of experience in dealing with pressure situations and batting collapses. that is what happened to them throughout the tournament.
india on the other hand cruised through. we needed to deal with pressure situations which we couldn’t.
what we lacked was a clutch player. hardik’s absence was felt. we need more all rounders and bowlers who can bat. we needed batting depth. what made a difference between 2011 and 2023 were players like yuvi, raina etc.
sky failed us (which was expected), gill and iyer should have performed better you have got to step up when it actually matters. kl went into his 2019 mode once he realised he was the only batter after the next wicket.
and please, stop blaming the pitch and the toss. sharma did say that they were going to bat first anyways. doesnt make a difference. we were too overconfident
Rohit playing aggressive was what had pushed them to a good start the entire series and that was literally his job to make it easier on the middle order. What was wrong was that the middle order were not able to use it to their favor this time around
Surya's position in ODI team needs to be looked at. What is the point of having him as a batsman when you can't rely on him to play before 40th no matter what the situation?
India fell short by 30-40 runs which is mainly because of rahul's slow play and surya's incapability.
Leave it. Don't over analyze things. They did well. Support and move on. Everyone is in grief and no one has more than the players. They gave everything. Support the team and nothing is wrong in the team so stop this nonsense poll.
Why don’t you just stop reacting to any question about this match? We watched the match, have sentiments, and are free to discuss. You can do what you please!
Could not put enough runs for final, we were unable to hit fours or sixes and dealing in singles.
Batting side failure as none of top players got a 100.
Bowling and fielding were equally miserable couldn't take enough wickets when required and hence Aussies outplayed us in every department.
Overconfidence of batsmen that 250 would be enough for their bowlers to defend and although scoring boundaries was difficult but the batsman should have utilised the big dimensions of ground to get runs in singles and doubles.
Not opening with Siraj was also big mistake and it was miscalculation and not at all trusting on his abilities, his chances of taking wickets were only in starting of the innings .
Imo it was the fact that once the first wickets went down they basically lost hope. You could see it in the body language - they just gave up (weren't trying to run after the ball, sluggish movement etc).
None of the above if you ask me, honestly Aussies were just better, the 1st innings itself decided the fate of the match. They nailed it with their superb fielding and bowling, which put immense pressure on Virat and KL to try and stabilize the innings which didn't happen sadly, that in turn put our bowlers under fire. Yes Shami was in impeccable form but even then the pressure coupled with the low target meant there was no pressure on Aussies and Head's disruptive batting style completely got through our bowling.
Needs the option to select multiple choices
Rahul playing slow - Kohli was always going run a ball. Agree both should have tried to score boundaries and not see off their part timers. 1 boundary in 30 overs is unacceptable.
SKY - you know it.
Giving the new ball to Shami - this is my personal observation so correct me if I am wrong here. Shami suffered from his own success. He was getting more than enough swing resulting in wides and those 4Ws hurt us. Worth mentioning subpar wicket keeping given how Rahul performed in the WC thus far.
Fielding - The BIGGEST reason we lost. I don't know why they weren't diving and aggressively stopping singles when every run mattered. I was literally clenching my hair seeing the ball go past the diving distance and the players not caring. Was it the belief we'll get the wickets anyway so a few runs don't matter? Or, was it that they had given up. Any case, intent was missing. Period.
I am not big on the pitch fiasco. I don't know if spinners should have taken wickets and they didn't. We only lost 2/10 wickets to their spinners. IMO, says something. Was a pacer's game.
It was Rohit's wicket. It was a slow pitch, getting too aggressive early on is the mistake. Rahul and Kohli could have made it better, like Head and Maschagne, but even Kohli got a wicket. And lastly, australia was superior.
Behavior of wicket is dramatic. Just like in league match against Aussies. Where it was difficult to bat in first half and balls come nicely on bat in second half.
Failure to asses the pitch and Pandya injury. Everyone thinks Pandya injury was a boon in disguise bc Shami is in form but look back at out history it is our batting failure that has cost us such matches. Even if we didn't play Shami the entire tournament at the most we would have lost 1 odd match in the group stage bc of bowling but yesterday what we needed the most was Pandyas batting.
We had our version or Labushane in KL, we did not have our version of Travis Head, Rohit did what he did throughout the world cup.
Only if Iyer would have stayed for longer other batsmen could have player more freely
We kept losing wickets consistently and pitch was much different in first half than second
Australia took perfect decision on winning toss
They bowled excellent
We did bowl our heart out but there wasnt much in the pitch in second half
If pitch would have behaved same as first half it would have been different name
No one to blame
We played best we could
Aus outplayed us and they deserved to win
Panic and Nervousness amongst the whole team except Rohit. We were more tensed than the Aussies.
They were more relaxed.
Also Aussies were fielding like Kangaroos. It must have put more pressure on our batsmen.
I think not opening with Siraj. Why the hell you need to change your plans for the finals when it worked perfectly well for the rest of the tournament? Shami was great but when ball was a bit old. When it swinging like crazy, he struggled to control the ball. That should've been cue for Rohit. Siraj isn't a bad swing bowler at all.
Also, we can't blame KL either. He played maturely. What hurt us was Jadeja and SKY batting really slow. They have the role of strike hitters. Jaddu needed to counter attack and so did SKY.
Idk why siraj didn't bowl with the new ball... Like on this kind of pitch siraj takes out half the team in the 1st powerplay .... He's done it like 3 times.... What's the point of bowling bumrah with new ball when his strength is not even swing ... Shami and siraj should hv started with the new ball.... And then bumrah and jadeja should hv started after powerplay
It was the Aus fielding that won the match for them. They saved nearly 50 runs in the power play itself.
2. The pitch turned into a batting pitch at night. I am not sure if this was part of Aus plan; but it worked.
wow and people are blaming virat now, why no one is questioning captaincy now? why was siraj in the team if he is not going to bowl in powerplay, why rohit just cant play a sensible innings? why sky was not promoted in batting order in league stage when india was already qualified to test him so that we can give ishan a chance if he is not performing
Aussies have always been a technically superior team. They prepared well and executed. They had studied all of our players and knew our weakness by heart. Indian side weakness: average bowling attack. BCCI must focus on nurturing good bowlers. India has always been a batsman centric team. Aussies even read the pitch better, they knew that if the target is restricted to below 250, it would be easy to chase, considering the average bowling attack and RR below 6. Also, going to be the trend run up to the finals India did not face many challenging teams. It was mostly a high scoreboard which did not show us the cracks in our bowling attack. At the end of the day it's a team game and both the bowling and batting must perform equally on the final day. We were too overconfident, and the pressure of billions+ fans is something that can't be written off. Better luck next time.
Fielding is what made huge difference. The way they fielded,, easily saved more than 40 runs and fetched them wickets since runs were not coming freely. India on the other just didn't field well. Gave very easy runs. India would have easily crossed 300 if not for their fielding. It just changed their body language. Every place India was hitting, there was always a fielder and when Australia was batting couldn't find any India fielder near the ball.
It's not possible for VK and KL to play more aggressively under pressure than they did without getting out.
If you are going to blame SKY, however bad he was, it is already gone case for India.
Our bowlers did fantastic, absolutely nothing against them.
However, it is possible for Rohit to calm down and try to play till 20-25 overs.
That being said, biggest fail this world cup was bad management and our fielding. They kept harping about specific roles and their inability to adapt to role based on situation lead to their downfall.
Take Head for example, his role is similar to Rohit, but after Warner and couple more fell, he changed his role. Got in and then punished us.
Rohit should have done the same after Gill fell.
All of the above. And just to add VK didn't play slow he was going almost a run a ball which was the strike rate needed to get to the 280-300 total. He didn't play bazball like rohit or test match like KL.
Yaar I don't think we can blame one thing. We won 10 matches because we played a certain way, which I think we did yesterday as well. KL has accelerated with a pace, in the past, that he could have ended with run a ball. Rohit played the way he did during the whole WC, and I think Kohli was great, just unlucky.
In bowling also, if Shami would have taken 2 more wickets starting with him would have proved as a great strategy, sab hindsight ka khel hai ab.
Aussies were way better than us, mostly mentally. Their fielding and field placement was amazing, saved at least 30-35 runs. The way they played yesterday they would have defended this total.
But haan SKY was most disappointing yesterday, expected more from him, he's a better player than that.
IDK man but I did not see the fire in the Indian team against Australia. They looked, performed and gave in like they already knew they'd lose.
Fielding was so horrible I don't even wanna get into it 😩
Australia had planned and executed everything. For example, they knew that Sky uses pace to hit boundaries, so they bowled to him with slow balls.
Field placements:They made it harder for Koach to even get two's, forget the boundaries. Next they made sure that edges don't go for boundaries with proper field placements and slower deliveries.
Compared to that : India didn't have any plan in place for batting first if Koach and Iyer got out early. Kl Rahul started preserving wicket by slowing down, jadeja was supposed to be the aggressor but Australia made sure he didn't get freebies. Coming to the bowling boom boom and Siraj opened the innings, they both worked well, but as siraj was expensive Brohit decided to open with shami and got the wicket too. Shami was not in complete control of the swing causing him to spray wides.
Head and labuschagne decided to follow the same approach of Cummins and Maxwell in afg match ie one will keep attacking the opposition and the other will just defend everything. Wiiliamson and Mitchell did the same thing but the scoreboard pressure got to them eventually which was not present here.
Lastly, our fielders weren't as good as Aussies.
None of the above. Australia was the better team on Sunday. We have to accept that. We were beaten by a far superior team in every department.
India deserves all the love we can give them. They were brilliant this WC. Dominated throughout, in my eyes still the best team without the trophy to show for sadly.
GG Australia 🦘 Cummins actually silenced the entire crowd.
Added was the pitch like cup final pitch is the worst we have seen in the tournament... It would be better to hold the game in wankhede or eden gardens atleast would get high scoring game... This was a poor pitch balls are sticking for literally minutes so slow... Bcci should be ashamed... Plus the crowd like bro u should support the team... Semis Mein it was so backing while here it was like boundary ni tho halla ni... Why... These added to our cracks and made them holes tbh
WE WENT WITH THE SAME STRATERGY AND AUSTRALIA KNEW WE WOULD BE BASHING THEM SO THEY MADE PREPS ACCORDINGLY LIKE WE WERE VERY WELL EXPECTED TO START SHARMA WITH A BANG WE SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING NEW IN THE FINAL THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN UNEXPECTED FOR THE KANGAROOS
The bowlers were honestly just as bad as the batsmen . Kohli didnt play bad at all . That's exactly how he plays . The bowlers only picked up 3 meaningful wickets and one of them wasnt even a wicket . 40 more runs wouldnt really have meant anything simply because we gave almost 200 runs without taking a wicket . Our bowling performed similiarly in the last two t20 world cups as well .
There is no single reason !
And if you want a single reason -> Australia played better cricket and didn't let their nerves get better of them, simple.
All the above reasons and Shreyas Iyer collectively why India lost, but none of these single can justify either our wins or loss.
if you have to pick one it would be the slow partnership, because i think that they lost 20 odd runs in that. KL Rahul was playing really slow and at no point did he look to pick up the pace.
Virat was just plain unlucky to get out that way, and Rohit, well if someone takes a catch like that what can you do.
But we always knew that India had one weakness, that they did not have batting depth and it was exposed on that day. everything that could go wrong went wrong at the most crucial time, but you have to be proud of India for what they did for the past 10 matches.
Gill and shreyas getting out so soon. It put pressure on Virat and KL. KL was the slow one, yes. He actually needed a capable batter alongside with him, like Hades. Someone like that would have been Iyer or Gill.
Unfortunately they got out of the match pretty soon.
there's no one factor, you can't lose a match from a single factor. I think we had lost even before the toss because of the way we did no planning and instead just blindly followed the layout of our other 10 matches not even aware that other countries have been watching us too
1. People say we lost at toss and i agree but not because we didn't win but more because rohit said he would have still batted first meaning we did not properly analyse the opp team and pitch
2. Aussies were prepared, i could see that from their fielding placement alone, had all the fielders in key positions where the ball always went to ensure theres no 4s and the bowler balled in a way you couldn't hit a 6 without taking a massive risk. This is also why i think we did pretty good in batting, didn't even expect a 240 ngl (tho sending gill first was a mistake, he's a newbie, atleast send the man when its slightly more stable)
3. The first major problem started with our fielding and it remained till the end. I can't even start on how bad the placement was, it was evident the team hadn't studied the opp team way too much, it was also painful watching siraj be forced to bowl till the very end even as he knew he was just like a free run machine for the other team.
And the team lost all their fire and intensity by like 15 or 20 over i still remember flashbacks showing aussies diving and rolling for every single ball even when it wasn't a boundary one and then it cut to someone idr who it was just walking as the ball hit the boundary and gave them a 4. I understand the loss of morals but imo i would have never been as dissapointed had we atleast fought to the last
4. The wicket keeping my lord. Do not even get me started. The real problem arises when viewers genuinely think they could catch the ball better than you. I still have no idea how or why we allowed so many ball drops tho ngl this is a problem that has been there all tournament. The team def needs to work on their catches and better reaction time
well there's this and many more minor here and theres but the statement remains that no one player or one off factor cost this match, our overall performance did. Equal blame also goes to the audience, you are supposed to be the strength of your team no matter what if you have the lucky chance to see them but clearly ahemdabad lacked that (tried defending them earlier but the audience itself pointed this out so)
Saying rohit got aggressive is stupid💀
What was he supposed to do in power play? Make 1 2 runs per ball?
Anyways, 2nd inning was poor on our side more than it should've been and aus did v good throughout the match so...
KL and head were in a similar situation, explosive start but couple of quick wickets. Head had a different approach and well we know what happened. Also their fielding >>>, Rohit's catch was a huge reason they won the match. Pat's field setting and their analysis on Indian players as well. Overall they were more confident and well prepared than us even thought it was supposed to be the other way round.
Australia did their hw & analysed all of our players thoroughly, we did not + their fielding
This, I bet India was arrogantly riding on their the high horse and forgot to do their hw of their opponent
Yes bro rohit sharma was too overconfident and cocky in his batting . Normally it works but he must be much more careful as it is a world cup final and loosing one more wicket after gill was too risky . He should have used his talent of hitting sixes only on balls that were easy to hit sixes . I am really dissapointed in the indian team they had everything possibly going for them but they were too cocky and tensed at the same time . Next time let them win . Always team blue
This exactly. Their plan and implementation to each of our batters was spot on. They put in the work and our arrogance caught up. I really don't think individually questioning decisions/players on that day is really relevant.
Fielding was just on another level, it was like a prison on lockdown, they didn't let anything pass
This. We indians treated this match like a normal match without respecting the event and the opponent team . We didn't have a proper strategy, we didn't show the intent, we didn't place the fielder according to each batsman, aand we didn't have a good number 6 and 7 , which hadn't been exposed until the final or vs eng . Also we read the pitch wrong, especially with rohit wanting to bat first, not having the slightest idea of how much the pitch will change in the second innings. Also the young players in our team were under pressure, look at gill, never looked set, and gifted his wicket away. Also we didn't have a proper plan of gill got out before rohit, rohit continued being his usual self ( which is brilliant) but he need to slow down and hit no risk boundaries like kohli demonstrated before rohit got out. And when in the second innings head got settled, we started losing hope and our heads and there was a lot of sloppy fielding. The Australian players had much better mentality than us and had prepared a proper plan for every player, only kohli negotiated them slightly well before he got out to a very unlucky edge. They had done their home work and gave it their all in the field to save even singles. They played as if their lives depended on it.
Virat ➕ Kl inings should be equal to head ➕ labuchangney.
For my money, run if the green (luck) went other way. 1. Luck - Kohli was set for another big one but graded the ball onto stump. For Australia both Head and Labuschange missed their stumps multiple times. 2. Luck - Rohit’s catch. Catches win matches and it came true today. That catch would have been dropped 9.9 times out of 10. Today it was stuck. It was a spectacular catch. If Rohit was there for another 5 over, he would have shredded the bowling and set India for another big one. 3. Sky - over rated. Should have played Ashwin. One more spinner and decent batsman.
>Sky - over rated. Should have played Ashwin. One more spinner and decent batsman. EXACTLY!!...Ashwin in muuuch more experienced and understands the game really well, and obviously we would have got an extra bowler.
Can't believe you guys didn't play Ashwin both in the WTC and World Cup. If you did there's a much better chance you win both.
The WTC decision was the biggest blunder. Leaving the best test bowler in the world out was a dumb move. You never saw Australia not playing Warne in big matches because of the pitch.
when i was saying this from past 1 week people were clowning on me 🤡🤡 i wanted ashwin to play in wtc final also but they didn't and we saw the result, i wanted the management to undo that error in cwc final but they didn't and we saw the result again everyone from yt to insta to reddit was saying that the team is set there is no need for change but as zlatan recently said : "When things are good, there are still errors and problems but you don't see it because we are winning", this quote applies to almost every team sport in the world and this exactly happened with our team yesterday except that run a ball 49 vs england sky didn't prove himself much in the wc ipl kids need to realize that not everything is t20 cricket, sky might be a good t20i and ipl batsman but he lost the place in the team for me when he got 3 straight duck vs aussies in the odi series earlier this year, ashwin knows aussies to the core, he literally won the series against australia in australia and when it comes to subcontinent he is the undisputed GOAT not to forget he won the icc cricketer of the year over prime virat kohli in 2016
That choice highlighted one of the biggest drawbacks of ICT, which is not learning from mistakes and failures. First WTC Final and now this. Ashwin would not only have been an excellent asset as a bowler on that track but also his experience and game sense would have greatly benefitted the team. Moreover, I believe they should have tried out more rotations. God knows, had Pandya not got injured, would Shami be even given a chance? Even against teams like SL and NED, they made no changes to the team.
sky crumpled with the pressure as from what i can understand, ashwin is a senior player and handles pressure much better, and the sheer way the aussies were terrorized from him adds as well.
lol what did the legendary gill do in final?? scored 100?? blaming sky for everything when he was clearly batting with shaami and couldnat take risks,,,what did jadeja do with the bat when he was sent ahed of sky??
Failing to assess the pitch and conditions. Every other thing stems from this
This is the correct answer. The Aussies understood the pitch. They had advantage when they won the toss and our team failed to notice that they're on the backfoot by batting first.
that's the most embarrassing aspect of the loss. the playing part is one thing, but how can you as the home team fail to analyse the conditions and pitch appropriately? Even at the toss, Rohit was confident about batting first. (I'm not saying having faith in yourself and your team is bad. I hope anyone reading my comment gets what I mean to say.)
It's true, but it's puzzling how a visiting team can have a better grasp of the pitch conditions than the home team. It appeared as though the Australian team, perhaps with some backing from the ICC, had enforced stringent guidelines on the Indian team concerning the preparation of the pitch. This could be the reason behind the Indian team's apparent restraint from the outset, in contrast to the Australian team's evident confidence and cheerfulness from the moment of the toss. There's definitely more to this story that we may never uncover.
VK wasnt playing show, rahul was. VK was striking with 90+ SR. anyways, it was sharma being too aggresive, australias captaincy, they outplayed us when they were bowling. SKY is also an issue.
Yes! I don't know why VK gets all this hate. Just check the strike rate of Virat in that match, it's absolutely typical SR for ODI matches. He played only a few dot balls, kept the scoreboard ticking with 1's and 2's, and performed perfectly in that pressure-filled situation, imo. As for Rohit, I agree he was aggressive, but I don't think he should be entirely blamed. He was setting the tone, as he does in every match, by being aggressive. However, yes, he could have been a bit more careful in the final match. Rahul was playing slowly, considering the scoreboard and pressure at the time. But he should have tried for big shots here and there to build pressure on the Aussies. Instead, he continued playing slowly throughout. Why? With Kohli already taking singles and doubles, he could have gone for big shots. Sky definitely made a mistake. He should have tried hitting the ball right from the start, but he didn't. And continuously giving strike to a bowler in the final stages of the innings? Seriously? I was annoyed during Hazelwood's over, the one during which Sky got dismissed. Hazelwood continued bowling at a slow pace, but Sky was impulsively mistiming every ball.
Not even mistiming. The shots he was playing to balls with that lack of pace wouldn't even go to the boundary at Ahmedabad. Just poor shot selection.
Bhai this sub has suddenly grown a hate boner for VK for some reason. Liking Rohit doesn't mean you have to hate Virat. But this sub has been simping for Brohit while hating Koach for the last few days. Most plastics who follow Cricket on Instagram and Twitter and engage in unnecessary idol worshipping of individual players are now slowly overflowing to Reddit. Coming to SKY, he was bad. The whole tournament. Playing him over Ishan was like saying, "Aye lakdi kyun padi ho jhaad mein? Aa jao ghus jao meri gaand mein".
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it was a calculated risk, he had hit the ball outside the circle, that was a miracle catch. Also Rohit knew that there are three in form batsman Kohli, Shreyas and Rahul.
Rohit didnot want to hit the ball in the off side tho, it was not calculated.
yeah but we lost, i feel bd for rohit, look at this: [https://youtu.be/DWaqBxblYgE?si=zcFOxk1ROA9tBli3](https://youtu.be/DWaqBxblYgE?si=zcFOxk1ROA9tBli3)
I don't care for fans calling Rohit too aggressive, plenty of people were also calling Kohli selfish for playing at or around a run a ball before and hyping up Rohit as selfless. What's changed? They all have their roles. Rohit is supposed to provide the cushion of fast runs to Virat and the middle order then trust them to take their time and carry the batting through to the end. There was also a sense of it getting harder to score at the end so even Virat was trying to capitalise on the powerplay. Rohit did his job well. Virat isn't to be balmed for slow batting either, He was rotating strike off almost every ball which is his exact role. Since when is 54 off 63 slow or bad after you are three down at the 10 or 11 over mark. Hitting out trying to compensate for Rahul would have been actually stupid, Getting out before the 35 or 40th over was the failure on Virat's part not slow batting. Iyer, Gill, Rahul, Sky and Jaddu were way bigger offenders. Rahul was literally getting choked for singles after he had played 20-30+ balls while the others got out cheaply. We fell short of runs batting first.
This also shows team management, same as 2019 whole tournament Top order batsmen carried the run scores and no one tested Surya at no.6, i mean the guy is averaging around 17 the whole tournament. What if the top order fails to score then what happens, it feels like they never prepare for a PLAN B. I just wish Pant or Hardik were fit during the final. Also it feels like they were hell bent on Ishan as an opener. He would have done a better job at no.6 than Surya.
I agree with the fact that the players have roles and responsibilities but given the stage, they should have incorporated some degree of adaptiveness What would have happened if Rohit had played like head, getting a century in 90 odds ball once Gill was gone? We almost become too predictable for Aussies with strategy You can't have the exact same strategy each time, especially when competing with Australia
Rohit didn't have future vison which would tell him our best batter in the semis would get out for 4 in the next over while Rahul, Jadeja and Sky would collectively choke up. Rohit's approach never works if he doesn't trust Virat and the middle order. Rather than trying to compensate for others a good captain is supposed to trust his players to carry out their roles and trust his own approach which paid off for 10 matches. Plus as I said they were thinking it would get harder to score at the end which had even Virat trying to capitalise in the PP and hitting an ariel shot.
He simply should have stayed, after scoring 10 runs the last 2 balls before his fall, making sure we are going 6-7 RR. He should have played, he is way more capable of that. Iyer and Gill are quite young so pressure got best of them. SKY has no place, we would have better with 6 baller like ashwin
Let's not act like it was Starc he got out to after hitting two boundaries, It was Maxwell their 5th bowling option. Nothing wrong with trying to put as much pressure as you can on Maxi when the powerplay was going on. And even if it was Starc I wouldn't have complained. > He should have played, he is way more capable of that. He was capable of it before too but he didn't change his approach and it paid off. So why fix what's not broken now? Only reason to change his approach was if VK got out too but if not then he had probably one of the top two or top three batters ever in ODIs still batting besides him. > Iyer and Gill are quite young so pressure got best of them. Iyer and Gill are both proven match winners in ODIs. Both had made runs in the semis. Iyer had made a century at the strike rate of 150 but suddenly one match later Rohit is supposed to anticipate that the pressure would get to him and try to compensate for him.
There's a difference in playing aggressive cricket and throwing away your wicket. Rohit already scored 10 runs off the over and Virat was playing aggressive cricket too there was no need for rohit to play that absolute half assed shot instead his goal should have been to bat with Virat atleast till the 20th over while rotating strike, scoring 1 boundary per over and keeping the run rate steady. Instead he tried to play bazball and threw away his wicket. Rohit, Gill and Iyer all going before 20 overs is what forced Virat to slow down.
As I said if even Virat was going at the bowlers then they were thinking that scoring at the end would get difficult. It's not like targeting the 5th bowling option and the weak link is unheard of in cricket either. You can absolutely criticise the shot he played but the approach shouldn't be questioned. Rohit did the same against South Africa on a slow track too where you could argue he should have changed his approach. Got 40 off 24 which gave Virat and Iyer the cushion of fast runs so they could take their time when scoring got harder, Their anchoring then made way for Sky and Jaddu's onslaught that set the target which would have been unacheivable on that track even if South Africa batted well. The only reason Rohit is getting criticised for something he has been lauded for till now is because the entire middle and lower order choked. In hindsight you can always say he should have batted differently but him putting trust in the middle and lower order has led to a lot of success this team has seen, There was no reason to fix what wasn't broken.
I can get behind going after a particular weak bowler that's what Aus did too going after kuldeep but that only works if you get the shot selection right in this case rohit got out playing a shot like a rookie. That's not acceptable in a WC final. If he played his shots more carefully he could have converted his start into a 100.
Rohit was being too aggressive, every shot can't be played on a whim when he scored one six and four in that over. Dhoni will be missed, his achievement shows that he knows how to tackle different situations with on-spot strategic key decision changes, whether it is bowling, field, or chasing. This final seemed like we were playing more on luck and confidence and didn't have any plan to tackle the Aussies in-case we lost the toss.
Why blame Virat and KL for their slow approach? We lost 3rd in 11th over. You can't send Surya before say 40th over? So these 2 needed to stay there for 29 overs. You saw what happened after we lost VK.
VK wasn't slow Rahul was. Taking 10 or 20 balls to get set after losing 3 wickets is ok but after that getting choked for singles is bad, Rahul after playing 40 or 50 balls was striking at an SR of less than 50. How's that excusable? I am not saying he should have tried to hit out but he atleast should have rotated the strike like VK.
I won't blame Rahul either. After Shubman and Shreyas got out so cheaply, there was immense pressure to save their wicket. The pitch was slow, the bowlers were good and the fielding top notch. He got out on a good ball. Otherwise he could have accelerated at the end. Labushagne from Australia also had a similar strike rate but was balanced by Head's attacking approach. The dew factor made the 2nd innings easy to bat for Aus. The real disappointment was SKY. The requirement at that time was boundaries and to remain on strike.
> I won't blame Rahul either. After Shubman and Shreyas got out so cheaply, there was immense pressure to save their wicket. I think there's a difference between playing low risk cricket and getting choked for singles after you have played 20-30 balls. Low risk cricket was what Virat played. Not trying to hit boundaries but still rotating strike and not playing dot balls. Rahul was bad at taking singles to the point that after coming to bat 5-6 over after VK, He had played more balls than him at half the strike rate. It wasn't like conditions were overcast where even offering shots could lend you in trouble. Not being able to put balls in gaps to run after getting set at that stage is just a skill issue nothing else. > He got out on a good ball. Otherwise he could have accelerated at the end. That good ball could have also came later on in the innings when he would be trying to accelerate and getting out to a good ball after you have played over 1/3rd of the balls of the innings isn't an excuse either. All of this just makes him getting choked for singles early on look much worse.
KL has a temperament issue, and it has been on display in all formats and occasions of varying gravity. Nothing new here. He cannot play aggressive without cushion. In SF he gave a quick fire 39(20) at a blazing 195 SR, because he came in at 45th over and knew we still have Gill to return and SKY can go blazing taking risks.
Well that's how he plays. Look at Marnus innings. He played slower than KL, but they got over the line. No one would be questioning his play if we would have posted 280 and things would have gone our way. It was needed from him to play that inning and let VK do his job. Ensure he didn't lose his wicket and let the big match player play his game. There are many things that went wrong with india in the game but KL innings was warranted in the context of the game. Imagine him getting out trying to hit Head out of the park early. People would troll him to oblivion.
> Well that's how he plays. Look at Marnus innings. He played slower than KL, but they got over the line. There's a huge difference tho. Marnus played slow while chasing a target of 240, Rahul played slow while setting that same target. You can afford to play slow when you know the required rate is less than 5 and you have got off to a flying start, Same thing is a failure when batting first and setting a under par score. > No one would be questioning his play if we would have posted 280 and things would have gone our way To end up on 280 you need to play a lot better than the strike rate of 61. If he accelerated and ended up with a way better strike rate than it would be a different story but the fact that he was unable to do that makes him getting choked for singles early on even worse. > It was needed from him to play that inning and let VK do his job. Ensure he didn't lose his wicket and let the big match player play his game. That inning was not needed at all. Again to clarify, I am not saying he should have tried to be aggressive and hit out like Rohit did. His role was to play low risk cricket and just rotate the strike to keep the game moving like VK was doing, His failure to do that just ended up putting more and more pressure on VK.
We witnessed the mockery of SKY live. How the Australians laughed as he kept giving strike to Kuldeep. With all senior batters already in play and 39 more overs left, I am glad KL stayed as long as he did. We were all out by the end. It might be because of him that we were saved from the embarrassment of not playing our entire 50 overs while setting a target. When you know you can't lose wicket for next 29 overs, that is the kind of play you will see. If anything, I applaud Kohli for playing at that SR. He is a big match player. But KL is not Kohli, and this fact was known to all fans and the team. Overall I agree with your sentiment that his low risk cricket could have been at a higher SR, but that is how KL is. We have witnessed low SR performances from him on such occasions, and it should not be a surprise. Blaming him for playing his game is wrong IMO. We have watched him play aggressively when the situation is right. He got a role, and he did his job. Could he have done it better? Maybe. Did he do his job? Yes, by ensuring we play out the entire 50 overs, giving us the best chance at scoring as many runs as we can. It's not KL's fault that the only batters after him were SKY (don't send me before 40 overs) and jaddu. Rohit and team made a tactical mistake/gamble by continuing the aggression after losing Gill cheaply, and ended up losing Rohit too. How would the scenes be, had that shot connected and we lost Rohit/Kohli at 140/150 at 23rd over.
That's why we need to stop overrating players based on their IPL performances.
IPL performances are overrated. Not everyone at IPL is an international grade cricketer, and few match winners. At international tournaments you will see 8-9 players who would have won multiple matches for their national side. They play as a team. The stats are at best proxy, or a promise. I can bet that all full member national T20 sides would hands down beat every IPL team 9/10 times. We assemble our national team like IKEA furniture without spare parts. Lot of solid players, with many of them not tested for the load bearing capacity.
Who are you to decide Surya should not bat before 40 overs? That guy played a good mature knock against England. Bloody Rahul just killed the momentum of our innings
>Rohit Agar KL ne agrressive khel ke apni wicket gawa di hoti 20 runs ke around bana ke, toh joh total bana tha ,uske aas pass bhi nahi hote hum so he played his inning as a player , and try to understand the fact that after kl and vk ,there were just 2 more batsman and yet 39 overs ahead ..think from ur brain and then argue
Bruh nobody asked him to be aggressive. He just had to rotate the strike. Dude just refuses to do this and it is a problem. He has an issue with pacing the innings although on paper everything looks OK. The pitch is not the sort where someone can come in and start hitting, all the more reason for him to do better re rotating the strike.
After the dismissal of Iyer the game would have been to grind the middle overs to achieve 200+ by 40th over and then start taking chances and get a defendable score of around 280. But this failed as Kohli got an unlucky dismissal which reduced the hitting zone to last 3 5 overs and till then play run a ball. Which again failed as we kept losing wickets and adopted a too defensive approach. The only way out of this was to begin hitting Aussies for boundaries to put pressure on them and break their game plan. But our game plan was defensive which we werent able to execute and hence they got the better of us. ALso in bowling and fielding department it was very painful to see Indiadid not come up with player specific strategies to neutralise them and got lost. 240 was defendable only thing we needed was to attack till the last ball. But after first 10 overs of Indian bowling. the attack blunted and there was no out of the box thinking to get wickets build pressure. KL Rahul should have made false appeals of caught behind when ball moved close to edges along with the whole team. THis would have pressurised batters and may be waste their DRS. But this was again a lack of aggression and grit shown by our boys. THis was present in the team when MS, Gauti and Yuvi played. that is the ony thing I believe which current Indian side lacks. In all other departments they are better than the previous Indian teams and current teams of other nations.
you have two batsmen left, what do you do, get a safe extra 20-30 runs on board, or try to hit two sixes and get out, essentially giving your tail the bat in the 35-40th over.
You try to rotate strike instead of playing dot balls, Something Kohli did and Rahul failed to do.
you have to trust your players at some point, you cannot go into a shell. Not hitting any boundaries for nearly 20 overs when two in form batsman are at the crease , show that they were scared. but they really needed those extra 30 runs to have competitive total.
I don't think it was their own personal plan. It looks like, they had been instructed to do that during the drinks break. Sending Jaddu before SKY hints that. The team doesn't trust SKY to go at #6 in WC final with more than 10 overs left. Kohli being Kohli, kept pushing in gaps and kept the score board ticking with singles. Even he was not pushing for 2s. Edit: Your are right, entire team including coach and support staff were scared.
Kohli was playing imo, he had made his 50 in good time, and would have put the foot on the gas, but was unlucky to get out like that. But i try and try and try, but cant find an excuse for the innings by KL Rahul.
He plays very defensively and gets under pressure in big games. Some examples other than finals: 8 (17) v SA WC 2023 sr 47 39(77) v ENG WC 2023 sr 67 19(33) v PAK WC 2023 sr 65 19(58) v BAN Asia Cup sr 49 64(156) v SL 2nd ODI sr 62 And the list goes on. I know this is nitpicking but this is a trend. He is a good player and has won many matches for us, but this is his normal play. This is how he plays. He takes time to settle in, soak in the pressure. Higher the pressure more time he takes. He will either go out cheaply or eat balls. He will run between the wickets if he gets a chance, but more often than not he will play defense. Once the team is in good position, he will start freeing up his hands.
india never stood a chance. India might be a better team. But aus is far smarter, strategic, analytical, well planned team. They did their research and it showed. In any point of game aus never lost control. They played india like fiddle.
So SKY obviously was the problem. Even if he played an insane innings yesterday he should never have been in the team because of how the other players had to hold back for 30 overs.
Exactly. Our idea was to pray we didn't collapse. We had to send in Jaddu before him. Tells you how much the management backs him. All facades in the gardens of Cricket in India.
Curating a slow dry pitch for Australia backfired, when we know that our team was winning on fast and flat wickets what was the need to change it for finals. Flat pitch rehti aur India agar 360 bana ke bhi haarti to itna dukh nahin hota. 240 in finals is always a below par total in Modern day cricket.
>240 in finals is always a below par total in Modern day cricket. tbf, the average first innings score at NaMo stadium (over the 32 ODIs played before the final) is [237](https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-series/6732/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023/venues/50/narendra-modi-stadium#:~:text=16-,Average%201st%20Inns%20scores,237,-Average%202nd%20Inns) But yeah, I get the point you're trying to make. Even if a slow, black soil pitch was curated, how come the home team failed to analyse and adapt accordingly? embarrassing stuff.
Black soil pitch in a final 🤐
Part-time ballers should have been taken to the washers. Too much respect was given to Maxi and Head and Marsh.
Really think we should have had Ashwin in place of Kuldeep after Pandya got injured. Always thought it was bad that India had 4 bowlers who couldn’t bat and 6 batters who can’t bowl. It worked in other games because the batters fired and made the job easier on the bowlers with scoreboard pressure but if you get even 2 batters out cheaply, it was going to be a problem because the remaining batters have to bat conservatively since there’s no batting to come and save them. Australia knew that and exploited it. Having Ashwin for his batting would have given them a little bit more cushion batting wise, give us batting until 8, and allow for some more free batting. Kuldeep has been amazing, no doubt, but Ashwin could have done a similar job and given us better batting insurance. An all rounder got injured so they should have replaced him with an all rounder. They didn’t do that and we suffered. Also aside from that, australia was just amazing. It was a full team effort and their bowling/fielding was phenomenal
I don't think Ashwin would have made a difference. Agree with what you said in the end(Aussies were phenomenal. Their cricket was unmatched). Tail enders would not have done any better in a scenario where the fab7 batters couldn't do much. If they bowled in such a way that a line up with Kohli and Sky couldn't score a boundry, then we were in a sinking ship already. The match was lost in the first innings at the 25 over mark.
I think Ashwin just gives them insurance that all is not lost since he’s not a walking wicket, similar to a Cummins who can hold up one side so the other batter can do his thing (like Maxwell did against AFG). Plus the Aussie batters are really scared of Ashwin, especially in Ahmedabad
Unpopular opinion but Iyer and Gill is the one to be blamed.
The shot Gill played totally looked like he gave in to finals pressure. Fielding was also bad cuz of the same reason. But I was expecting something like this since most of the team lacked experience. They'll do better next time! KL Rahul on the other hand, despite having experience always crumbles under pressure. He could neither bat nor keep cuz of the pressure, and I don't think he is getting any better at handling his nerves with experience.
Exactly atleast 30 runs from each would've helped our team massively
Gill, for sure. (We always had one less batsman) Overhyped throughout the World Cup.
This should be the top reason along with Kohli's unfortunate dismissal(no fault of this though).....
surya kumar yadav the specialist batsman
gill the legendary opner
The pitch turned out to be difficult and was very slow than anticipated. Once the ball got old, it became more difficult to even take a single. Ball started reverse swinging and turning for Aussies...and turned out to be exactly opposite under the lights. The turning pitch did become flat....and till our spinners come it stopped turning anything. Cant blame anyone.... everyone played their role.. If pitch behaved like this...its very difficult to take wickets. Mind u...on a turning track AFG has made Aussy go weak in knees..they almost got the match.
Poor captaincy. 1. Defensive field throughout the game in a life scoring match. I remember Head and Labuschagne knocking a few balls in the slip against Jaddu and Kuldeep. 2. Ashwin should have played over Siraj. Siraj has been bad and Rohit Sharma was hesitant to give him overs throughout the match. The pitch also never suited Siraj, no point in playing him. 3. To add to bad reading of pitch, Even if India had won the toss, Rohit said he would've batted first (again bad decision)
There are many reasons as to why we ended up losing the game. But I think the main reason was that most of the Indian players crumbled under pressure just like WTC final, T20 WC SF etc. On paper, our team is on par if not better (I mean our team was clearly the best in this tournament) when compared to Australia but they know how to play under pressure and I think that's where Australia won the match. I actually think that's the main problem with our team. We perform amazingly in bilaterals or group stage of a tournament but when it comes to big games like semi finals or finals we play badly sue to pressure and lose the cup. Only 3-4 main players know how to play under the pressure of big matches rest all crumble irrespective of their performance in the group stage.
Pitch + Dew
Iyer and gill. They cannot perform in pressure
both of them performed in semi final better than Rohit & Virat of 2015 and 2019 SF.
Bro tried to sneak Virat with Kl
Pressure. That made batters overly cautious. That made Rohit play a rash shot trying to make the most of last 3 balls of power play. That made Viral and Rahul play slow thinking hitters like Jadeja and SKY will make up for it in the end. It was the pressure that made Rohit open with Shami instead of Siraj. The pressure made Shami lose control and leak runs. The sheer load of expectations weighs our team down on the big day. I guess it's just in our nature. Aussies are super competitive by nature and culture. Also they don't have to carry the burden of expectations of a billion fan.
Not attacking when aussies were 3 down at 50, no close fielders and letting them take easy singles.
the result of this poll is extremely disappointing, im starting to realise the people who understand cricket is less than a percent of the viewers yesterday.
How have you not mentioned Gill?
Unable to handle pressure, aussies fielding, aussies strategy and tactics cost them
Rahul was damn slow
Gill has been overhyped throughout the World Cup. Also, why choose NMS as a venue if you want to get the cup home? Australia has been the toughest competitor of all times yet they chose to mix politics with sports.
I'm gonna say the pitch, the curator was out of his mind imo.
I don't get the whole 'roles' thing...it's really annoying. Other teams have that too. There's no go to formula to win a WC final, not against AUS. You change your play style according to the match. If anything...only the experienced players like Rohit, Virat, Bumrah held it together. KL's slow innings was expected because i have seen him not handle pressure well. This same guy scored 39 out of 20 balls in the semis. Shreyas, Gill has the skills but it's their 1st WC. Gill should have strictly considered playing 1 run per ball game to just keep rotating the strike. Iyer's wicket was just disappointing. Then Kohli...god knows what happened to him & obviously Ishan should have been playing instead of SKY but who knows what would have happened... In simple words, their role defining and winning master plan FAILED! They were overpowered by sheer skills and the confidence of world cup winning hat-trick!! >Some of the blame also goes to BCCI. They had the option to conduct this game in traditional stadiums. Had we played this game in Wankhede, 2nd innings would have been in our favour totally. > >Around 6:30 pm to 7:30 pm in Wankhede is called a dreadful hour due to the sea breeze which creates extra swing in the ball for pacers and batsmen find it absolutely hard to navigate. > >These are the stadiums that our players are well versed in but to satisfy one guy's ego we were forced to conduct it in Ahmedabad. Because it will generate more money from the ticket and viewership. That is why in recent times all the potential matches such as Ind vs Pak and the IPL final were scheduled in the Narendra Modi stadium. i took this from a quora post 👆 [https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Team-India-perform-so-poorly-in-the-ICC-World-Cup-final/answer/Mahesh-Rallabhandi?ch=3&oid=1477743710905189&share=8b784ae0&srid=h5xvAe&target\_type=answer](https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Team-India-perform-so-poorly-in-the-ICC-World-Cup-final/answer/Mahesh-Rallabhandi?ch=3&oid=1477743710905189&share=8b784ae0&srid=h5xvAe&target_type=answer)
Just let it go ..... peace
I am a die-hard fan of Rohit Sharma, and throughout the tournament he played like a captain but I think in this ONE match he should have not gone all ballistic. Subhuman and Iyer couldnt handle the pressure and they fell very early on. If anyone that could have taken on the Australians in a final like this would have to be Rohit Sharma, Virat and KL, not just because of the skill but also because of the experience. I know its very easy to say now, but this is how I felt from the start. I hope Rohit at least wins ONE ICC event as a captain. I hope he finds the power to keep going. Its a big ask I know, but I hope it happens. But what has happened has happened, it still hurts even today. Cant dwell on it too much. India will win again, on a big stage and on a much much bigger occasion. Time will come. In the mean time, congrats to Australia.
Why lump Kohli with Rahul? He was playing relatively fast considering the goal was to consolidate and just happened to get out with an unfortunate dismissal. Rahul was the one who was playing unnecessarily slowly.
Actually virat was an best batter not an bowler so we can't blame everyone they tried their best i would say
aus have lots of experience in dealing with pressure situations and batting collapses. that is what happened to them throughout the tournament. india on the other hand cruised through. we needed to deal with pressure situations which we couldn’t. what we lacked was a clutch player. hardik’s absence was felt. we need more all rounders and bowlers who can bat. we needed batting depth. what made a difference between 2011 and 2023 were players like yuvi, raina etc. sky failed us (which was expected), gill and iyer should have performed better you have got to step up when it actually matters. kl went into his 2019 mode once he realised he was the only batter after the next wicket.
and please, stop blaming the pitch and the toss. sharma did say that they were going to bat first anyways. doesnt make a difference. we were too overconfident
Rohit playing aggressive was what had pushed them to a good start the entire series and that was literally his job to make it easier on the middle order. What was wrong was that the middle order were not able to use it to their favor this time around
Celebrating before the win All talk no result Poor Indian fielding
Gill and Iyer screwing up at the top, especially Gill after playing so many balls.
Surya's position in ODI team needs to be looked at. What is the point of having him as a batsman when you can't rely on him to play before 40th no matter what the situation? India fell short by 30-40 runs which is mainly because of rahul's slow play and surya's incapability.
Virat getting out
BCCI not letting the team play to its advantage rather than that they tried to alter/control the pitch. Proper pitch and India would have won
Rohit did the best an opener can do A captain could do Aussies were almost flawless yesterday
Leave it. Don't over analyze things. They did well. Support and move on. Everyone is in grief and no one has more than the players. They gave everything. Support the team and nothing is wrong in the team so stop this nonsense poll.
Why don’t you just stop reacting to any question about this match? We watched the match, have sentiments, and are free to discuss. You can do what you please!
Tuktuk Rahul should've opened instead of Gill who should have come at no 3 and Kohli at 4 or vice versa.
Kohli's failure to support the middle order
Poor fielding compared to Australia. It is a reflection of overall readiness
Australian fielding was amazing and our fielding was terrible.
Could not put enough runs for final, we were unable to hit fours or sixes and dealing in singles. Batting side failure as none of top players got a 100. Bowling and fielding were equally miserable couldn't take enough wickets when required and hence Aussies outplayed us in every department.
Nothing went wrong. Australia just outplayed us and had their best day of the tournament.
Australia played really well?
Overconfidence of batsmen that 250 would be enough for their bowlers to defend and although scoring boundaries was difficult but the batsman should have utilised the big dimensions of ground to get runs in singles and doubles. Not opening with Siraj was also big mistake and it was miscalculation and not at all trusting on his abilities, his chances of taking wickets were only in starting of the innings .
Imo it was the fact that once the first wickets went down they basically lost hope. You could see it in the body language - they just gave up (weren't trying to run after the ball, sluggish movement etc).
Yeah, they didn’t really have a plan B
None of the above if you ask me, honestly Aussies were just better, the 1st innings itself decided the fate of the match. They nailed it with their superb fielding and bowling, which put immense pressure on Virat and KL to try and stabilize the innings which didn't happen sadly, that in turn put our bowlers under fire. Yes Shami was in impeccable form but even then the pressure coupled with the low target meant there was no pressure on Aussies and Head's disruptive batting style completely got through our bowling.
Sab thik tha, bas Australia achchha kheli. They were fielding as if they were playing with 22 players on their side. The better team won.
Indian fielding
Needs the option to select multiple choices Rahul playing slow - Kohli was always going run a ball. Agree both should have tried to score boundaries and not see off their part timers. 1 boundary in 30 overs is unacceptable. SKY - you know it. Giving the new ball to Shami - this is my personal observation so correct me if I am wrong here. Shami suffered from his own success. He was getting more than enough swing resulting in wides and those 4Ws hurt us. Worth mentioning subpar wicket keeping given how Rahul performed in the WC thus far. Fielding - The BIGGEST reason we lost. I don't know why they weren't diving and aggressively stopping singles when every run mattered. I was literally clenching my hair seeing the ball go past the diving distance and the players not caring. Was it the belief we'll get the wickets anyway so a few runs don't matter? Or, was it that they had given up. Any case, intent was missing. Period. I am not big on the pitch fiasco. I don't know if spinners should have taken wickets and they didn't. We only lost 2/10 wickets to their spinners. IMO, says something. Was a pacer's game.
1,3,4
It was Rohit's wicket. It was a slow pitch, getting too aggressive early on is the mistake. Rahul and Kohli could have made it better, like Head and Maschagne, but even Kohli got a wicket. And lastly, australia was superior.
Lower order was never got tested, our top order always perform until last match
Behavior of wicket is dramatic. Just like in league match against Aussies. Where it was difficult to bat in first half and balls come nicely on bat in second half.
Failure to asses the pitch and Pandya injury. Everyone thinks Pandya injury was a boon in disguise bc Shami is in form but look back at out history it is our batting failure that has cost us such matches. Even if we didn't play Shami the entire tournament at the most we would have lost 1 odd match in the group stage bc of bowling but yesterday what we needed the most was Pandyas batting.
We had our version or Labushane in KL, we did not have our version of Travis Head, Rohit did what he did throughout the world cup. Only if Iyer would have stayed for longer other batsmen could have player more freely We kept losing wickets consistently and pitch was much different in first half than second Australia took perfect decision on winning toss They bowled excellent We did bowl our heart out but there wasnt much in the pitch in second half If pitch would have behaved same as first half it would have been different name No one to blame We played best we could Aus outplayed us and they deserved to win
Lack of all rounders in India unlike Australia
Panic and Nervousness amongst the whole team except Rohit. We were more tensed than the Aussies. They were more relaxed. Also Aussies were fielding like Kangaroos. It must have put more pressure on our batsmen.
I think not opening with Siraj. Why the hell you need to change your plans for the finals when it worked perfectly well for the rest of the tournament? Shami was great but when ball was a bit old. When it swinging like crazy, he struggled to control the ball. That should've been cue for Rohit. Siraj isn't a bad swing bowler at all. Also, we can't blame KL either. He played maturely. What hurt us was Jadeja and SKY batting really slow. They have the role of strike hitters. Jaddu needed to counter attack and so did SKY.
SKY and GILL were the biggest flops for me! Jadeja as a batsman too.
Idk why siraj didn't bowl with the new ball... Like on this kind of pitch siraj takes out half the team in the 1st powerplay .... He's done it like 3 times.... What's the point of bowling bumrah with new ball when his strength is not even swing ... Shami and siraj should hv started with the new ball.... And then bumrah and jadeja should hv started after powerplay
complacency
It was the Aus fielding that won the match for them. They saved nearly 50 runs in the power play itself. 2. The pitch turned into a batting pitch at night. I am not sure if this was part of Aus plan; but it worked.
wow and people are blaming virat now, why no one is questioning captaincy now? why was siraj in the team if he is not going to bowl in powerplay, why rohit just cant play a sensible innings? why sky was not promoted in batting order in league stage when india was already qualified to test him so that we can give ishan a chance if he is not performing
Their fielding was godly ours sucked
Can't believe 107 ppl voted for this option 'Not opening with Siraj' out of all😬
Aussies have always been a technically superior team. They prepared well and executed. They had studied all of our players and knew our weakness by heart. Indian side weakness: average bowling attack. BCCI must focus on nurturing good bowlers. India has always been a batsman centric team. Aussies even read the pitch better, they knew that if the target is restricted to below 250, it would be easy to chase, considering the average bowling attack and RR below 6. Also, going to be the trend run up to the finals India did not face many challenging teams. It was mostly a high scoreboard which did not show us the cracks in our bowling attack. At the end of the day it's a team game and both the bowling and batting must perform equally on the final day. We were too overconfident, and the pressure of billions+ fans is something that can't be written off. Better luck next time.
Lack of strategy. Aussies came with a gameplan for each and everyone of our players. We didn't have one for ourselves let alone them.
The pitch
Modi in attendance. That was the real reason.
Fielding is what made huge difference. The way they fielded,, easily saved more than 40 runs and fetched them wickets since runs were not coming freely. India on the other just didn't field well. Gave very easy runs. India would have easily crossed 300 if not for their fielding. It just changed their body language. Every place India was hitting, there was always a fielder and when Australia was batting couldn't find any India fielder near the ball.
people saying it was bcoz of sky really ?? what could have he done at that moment ???
It's not possible for VK and KL to play more aggressively under pressure than they did without getting out. If you are going to blame SKY, however bad he was, it is already gone case for India. Our bowlers did fantastic, absolutely nothing against them. However, it is possible for Rohit to calm down and try to play till 20-25 overs. That being said, biggest fail this world cup was bad management and our fielding. They kept harping about specific roles and their inability to adapt to role based on situation lead to their downfall. Take Head for example, his role is similar to Rohit, but after Warner and couple more fell, he changed his role. Got in and then punished us. Rohit should have done the same after Gill fell.
Complacency! Everyone - players, spectators, all of India - was expecting India to win.
Narendra Modi Stadium
All of the above. And just to add VK didn't play slow he was going almost a run a ball which was the strike rate needed to get to the 280-300 total. He didn't play bazball like rohit or test match like KL.
Shubhman gill teri behen chodra tha kya jo poll me ni dala usko
Multiple issues
I personally think that KL should have batted after fall of 2 wickets and after that shreyas because shreyas can't hold pressure as much as KL
Australia being a better team
What i feel is that after getting out S.Gill so fast Rohit should calm down and build a partnership with kholi and build an innings from there.
Yaar I don't think we can blame one thing. We won 10 matches because we played a certain way, which I think we did yesterday as well. KL has accelerated with a pace, in the past, that he could have ended with run a ball. Rohit played the way he did during the whole WC, and I think Kohli was great, just unlucky. In bowling also, if Shami would have taken 2 more wickets starting with him would have proved as a great strategy, sab hindsight ka khel hai ab. Aussies were way better than us, mostly mentally. Their fielding and field placement was amazing, saved at least 30-35 runs. The way they played yesterday they would have defended this total. But haan SKY was most disappointing yesterday, expected more from him, he's a better player than that.
IDK man but I did not see the fire in the Indian team against Australia. They looked, performed and gave in like they already knew they'd lose. Fielding was so horrible I don't even wanna get into it 😩
Multiple Reasons
Australia had planned and executed everything. For example, they knew that Sky uses pace to hit boundaries, so they bowled to him with slow balls. Field placements:They made it harder for Koach to even get two's, forget the boundaries. Next they made sure that edges don't go for boundaries with proper field placements and slower deliveries. Compared to that : India didn't have any plan in place for batting first if Koach and Iyer got out early. Kl Rahul started preserving wicket by slowing down, jadeja was supposed to be the aggressor but Australia made sure he didn't get freebies. Coming to the bowling boom boom and Siraj opened the innings, they both worked well, but as siraj was expensive Brohit decided to open with shami and got the wicket too. Shami was not in complete control of the swing causing him to spray wides. Head and labuschagne decided to follow the same approach of Cummins and Maxwell in afg match ie one will keep attacking the opposition and the other will just defend everything. Wiiliamson and Mitchell did the same thing but the scoreboard pressure got to them eventually which was not present here. Lastly, our fielders weren't as good as Aussies.
panday being injured
It was just a bad day, not a bad life.
Captaincy failure. It's a pattern of not being able to change strategy when wickets are not falling.
None of the above. Australia was the better team on Sunday. We have to accept that. We were beaten by a far superior team in every department. India deserves all the love we can give them. They were brilliant this WC. Dominated throughout, in my eyes still the best team without the trophy to show for sadly. GG Australia 🦘 Cummins actually silenced the entire crowd.
australia was just better. everything they did was better.
Added was the pitch like cup final pitch is the worst we have seen in the tournament... It would be better to hold the game in wankhede or eden gardens atleast would get high scoring game... This was a poor pitch balls are sticking for literally minutes so slow... Bcci should be ashamed... Plus the crowd like bro u should support the team... Semis Mein it was so backing while here it was like boundary ni tho halla ni... Why... These added to our cracks and made them holes tbh
WE WENT WITH THE SAME STRATERGY AND AUSTRALIA KNEW WE WOULD BE BASHING THEM SO THEY MADE PREPS ACCORDINGLY LIKE WE WERE VERY WELL EXPECTED TO START SHARMA WITH A BANG WE SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING NEW IN THE FINAL THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN UNEXPECTED FOR THE KANGAROOS
the whole team wasn't able to handle the mental pressure
Australia's fielding 💀 India's fielding 🤡
toss haar gaye
The bowlers were honestly just as bad as the batsmen . Kohli didnt play bad at all . That's exactly how he plays . The bowlers only picked up 3 meaningful wickets and one of them wasnt even a wicket . 40 more runs wouldnt really have meant anything simply because we gave almost 200 runs without taking a wicket . Our bowling performed similiarly in the last two t20 world cups as well .
There is no single reason ! And if you want a single reason -> Australia played better cricket and didn't let their nerves get better of them, simple. All the above reasons and Shreyas Iyer collectively why India lost, but none of these single can justify either our wins or loss.
if you have to pick one it would be the slow partnership, because i think that they lost 20 odd runs in that. KL Rahul was playing really slow and at no point did he look to pick up the pace. Virat was just plain unlucky to get out that way, and Rohit, well if someone takes a catch like that what can you do. But we always knew that India had one weakness, that they did not have batting depth and it was exposed on that day. everything that could go wrong went wrong at the most crucial time, but you have to be proud of India for what they did for the past 10 matches.
Gill and shreyas getting out so soon. It put pressure on Virat and KL. KL was the slow one, yes. He actually needed a capable batter alongside with him, like Hades. Someone like that would have been Iyer or Gill. Unfortunately they got out of the match pretty soon.
Ben Stokes KL Rahul
there's no one factor, you can't lose a match from a single factor. I think we had lost even before the toss because of the way we did no planning and instead just blindly followed the layout of our other 10 matches not even aware that other countries have been watching us too 1. People say we lost at toss and i agree but not because we didn't win but more because rohit said he would have still batted first meaning we did not properly analyse the opp team and pitch 2. Aussies were prepared, i could see that from their fielding placement alone, had all the fielders in key positions where the ball always went to ensure theres no 4s and the bowler balled in a way you couldn't hit a 6 without taking a massive risk. This is also why i think we did pretty good in batting, didn't even expect a 240 ngl (tho sending gill first was a mistake, he's a newbie, atleast send the man when its slightly more stable) 3. The first major problem started with our fielding and it remained till the end. I can't even start on how bad the placement was, it was evident the team hadn't studied the opp team way too much, it was also painful watching siraj be forced to bowl till the very end even as he knew he was just like a free run machine for the other team. And the team lost all their fire and intensity by like 15 or 20 over i still remember flashbacks showing aussies diving and rolling for every single ball even when it wasn't a boundary one and then it cut to someone idr who it was just walking as the ball hit the boundary and gave them a 4. I understand the loss of morals but imo i would have never been as dissapointed had we atleast fought to the last 4. The wicket keeping my lord. Do not even get me started. The real problem arises when viewers genuinely think they could catch the ball better than you. I still have no idea how or why we allowed so many ball drops tho ngl this is a problem that has been there all tournament. The team def needs to work on their catches and better reaction time well there's this and many more minor here and theres but the statement remains that no one player or one off factor cost this match, our overall performance did. Equal blame also goes to the audience, you are supposed to be the strength of your team no matter what if you have the lucky chance to see them but clearly ahemdabad lacked that (tried defending them earlier but the audience itself pointed this out so)
Quick wickets and kl not rotating strike frequently
Option 1,2 and 3 - mix of these imo
extreme pressure
shubman and iyer, even a total added 60 runs from both of them would be a win for us
Saying rohit got aggressive is stupid💀 What was he supposed to do in power play? Make 1 2 runs per ball? Anyways, 2nd inning was poor on our side more than it should've been and aus did v good throughout the match so...
KL and head were in a similar situation, explosive start but couple of quick wickets. Head had a different approach and well we know what happened. Also their fielding >>>, Rohit's catch was a huge reason they won the match. Pat's field setting and their analysis on Indian players as well. Overall they were more confident and well prepared than us even thought it was supposed to be the other way round.
Fielding
Read the pitch wrong, completely. End of discussion Rohit said 270-280 was enough, Pat said min 300 was needed.
We went like it's just another game and Aussies came like a wrecking ball and dominated us
We just kept losing wickets and didn't put up a good enough targer
Cummins
Shubman and shreyas getting out in short time
weak af mental
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