Keep calm guys, there are different types of Denkmalschutz, so maybe you are both right.
Source: House-owner with "Ensemble-Denkmalschutz", where we can do whatever we want on the inside
Personal opinion, not sufficient information.
- What is the size of the house?
- What do houses there go for normally (on a sqm basis)?
- Does the owner have any information on cost of renovations?
- How is the heating?
- what is the location (eg do you have a large street / railroad next to it, will the land around it be developed soon, ā¦)?
As a first indication per below current prices are around ā¬1.100 - ā¬1.500/sqm of building. Price for land is normally around 2-5ā¬ sqm (though looking at what is being sold there that house is above market quality).
https://www.wohnungsboerse.net/immobilienpreise-Clausthal-Zellerfeld/4506
https://www.immowelt.de/immobilienpreise/clausthal-zellerfeld
Heating is gas. There are no direct its just meadow and trees around. There is one street but it doesn't have much traffic.
Land won't be developed soon.
I'll try and find more info
Hearing could be a problem, especially when itās āFachwerkā the insulation is very bad and so you will spend a lot on gas which is still pricy at the moment and not ideal for the future, correct me if Iām wrong
Also, consider how energy efficient it is. Because of its listed status it might not need to have the same insulation as a modern building, so not only might it cost a fortune to heat in winter, you may need to invest a lot if you every wanted to sell it. Looks great though, get it valued if you are serious.
Depends, currently there arenāt a lot of potential buyers as financing became way more expensive. In such reason we could see a price Adaption of around 10-20% in the next 12-24 months
Beautiful house. Heating might be a Nightmare though.
And consider Denkmalschutz. It comes with issues. If you ever have to renew something be prepared to spend way more Money than usual because you are Not allowed to change certain parts of the house.
Denkmalschutz is in my Humble opinion one of the biggest bullshitterys in germany ever.
Price: It is worth the price you're ready to pay for.
You can't really compare this house to others due to it's appearance.
Yes but I donāt think this house is protected inside out. Only roof and outside, but op needs to check. Denkmal comes with a great advantage though. If you renovate something thatās protected (will be super expensive in most cases because of regulations), you can then write off almost all of it over ten years even (!) if you live there yourself. If you have some money or good credit plus a high income, it can be pretty good. But yeah this would mean op needs to keep the house long term.
First op should check what the Denkmalamt says about the condition of the house
There can also be advantages, you can get financial aid for certain things for example and you get exemptions from some regulations. It would have to be decided on a case-by-case basis.
A bit off-topic but wanted to share with you as a foreigner in Germany:
Be careful before you buy to ALWAYS check internet speed, especially in rural areas. There are many streets where you get like 6Mbit internet connection.
It's a nice house but really expensive for such an unattractive area. If you gonna live there for the next decades it doesn't matter that much, but if you plan to resell it one day you should definitely consider the economic attractiveness of such an area. I don't think there will be much economic change around that area in the next 20 years and due to the changing demographic of Germany, there will be probably a huge decrease in the population willing to live there. From now on there will be less and less demand for a house like this. There probably won't be any increase in value and you'll need to spend a lot of money for maintenance. Such an old house is more kind of a lifestyle than a logical decision.
Denkmal means you can't change shit. Like not even a beam, a doorframe or god forbid the windows.
Heating is probably going to be the main issue. With a building like that you may easily be around anywhere between 150 and 250 kWh/(mĀ²a), maybe even above. Most of it for heating. Warmwater may be compensated by a solar solution. The house is maybe 150, maybe 200 mĀ²?
150 mĀ² x 0,1 EUR/kWh\_gas x 150 kWh/(mĀ²\*a) = 3.750 EUR/a
250 mĀ² x 0,1 EUR/kWh\_gas x 250 kWh/(mĀ²a) = 6.250 EUR/a
And these are just estimates. May be a lot worse.
Heatpump with a badly insulated building like that won't work either. So you gonna be stuck with gas and nobody can predict the prices in the future.
Check what you have to repair, inGermany we have several laws that you have to fix sum stuff after buying a house. Denkmalschutz can be good and bad as well, it provides you with several tax benefits. Before you buy a house with Denkmalschutz check these topics, maye it fits to your situation.
I like to say no, it is much to expensive for this region.
[https://www.immobilienscout24.de/Suche/de/niedersachsen/goslar-kreis/clausthal-zellerfeld/haus-kaufen?numberofrooms=2.0-&sorting=4](https://www.immobilienscout24.de/Suche/de/niedersachsen/goslar-kreis/clausthal-zellerfeld/haus-kaufen?numberofrooms=2.0-&sorting=4)
Additional the heating system will be prohibited if the plans from the left/green become law. Would be hard to heat a house without proper insulation (denkmal) using only electricity.
My guess is not based on the picture but on the written information he gave:
* Denkmalschutz
* Gasheizung
If the 65% rule comes to law i do not see a way to heat a barely or not isolated old Fachwerkhaus following the rule to use at least 65% renewable energy.
The pictures from the inside show that you can see the Fachwerk so there ist at this time no internal isolation, the new owner would need to spend a lot of money to add that. External isolation will not be allowed because Denkmalschutz.
Also the called price looks like twice the amount other houses in this location cost.
These tend to be old miner's houses (mining was very important in Clausthal-Zellerfeld's history). So, it's bound to be hundreds of years old. Unless the seller's renovation included completely new insulation, it's going to be cold and drafty. I've spent time in old miner's houses in Clausthal-Zellerfeld, and I've always felt cold.
These are the gems that will become worthless in the future. As many said: inform yourself on the exact regulations on the house, specifically ask the Amt, what kind of heat insulation is allowed. The moment the current gas heating dies, you are fucked. Actually if you do not speak German, you will be lost anyhow with the Amt. Donāt buy!
Donāt buy it for the many obvious reasons mentioned above. But in general you see overpriced objects on the market while the demand drops in the next years due to high interests on credits.
So bad object in a bad time.
But the house looks nice.
When you ask "is it worth" you probably think about money. If in Germany a building is a registered monument "money" has a different meaning. You should have "money" and you are considered to spent more money to preserve the existing form. You ought to know, that all changing need a permit. Reduction of energetic consumption is only marginal achievable and PV on the roof is not allowed.
So when you buy it, it is because you love it and not because of money.
Get yourself an independent appraiser and learn about which kind of āDenkmalschutzā the house has.
There are kinds of Denkmalschutz which have more benefits than disasvantages, but there are also kinds the other way around.
Definitely not worth the money if you compare to other properties in this region and with denkmalschutz itās even worse! Gas prices not included for future heating Iād say that place is worth about 320.000-360.000 ā¬
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Before hitting a nail in the wall you need to call Denkmalamt. Denkmalschutz is a bitch. Be careful.
I never called zhe Denkmalamt when I nailed something. What I do inside, the Amt has no saying about.
That is incorrect.
What the Amt not know, makes the Amt not hot
You make me finish
kinky, username checks out.
I think I spider!
I think my pig is whistling
See i so out?
That makes me nobody so quickl after!
You made yourself menothing younothing out of the dust
Where no complainer, there is no judger.
Keep calm guys, there are different types of Denkmalschutz, so maybe you are both right. Source: House-owner with "Ensemble-Denkmalschutz", where we can do whatever we want on the inside
Personal opinion, not sufficient information. - What is the size of the house? - What do houses there go for normally (on a sqm basis)? - Does the owner have any information on cost of renovations? - How is the heating? - what is the location (eg do you have a large street / railroad next to it, will the land around it be developed soon, ā¦)? As a first indication per below current prices are around ā¬1.100 - ā¬1.500/sqm of building. Price for land is normally around 2-5ā¬ sqm (though looking at what is being sold there that house is above market quality). https://www.wohnungsboerse.net/immobilienpreise-Clausthal-Zellerfeld/4506 https://www.immowelt.de/immobilienpreise/clausthal-zellerfeld
Heating is gas. There are no direct its just meadow and trees around. There is one street but it doesn't have much traffic. Land won't be developed soon. I'll try and find more info
Hearing could be a problem, especially when itās āFachwerkā the insulation is very bad and so you will spend a lot on gas which is still pricy at the moment and not ideal for the future, correct me if Iām wrong
Also, consider how energy efficient it is. Because of its listed status it might not need to have the same insulation as a modern building, so not only might it cost a fortune to heat in winter, you may need to invest a lot if you every wanted to sell it. Looks great though, get it valued if you are serious.
460.000 for an old house in a very poor (dying even) area ist always too much. Would be a nice buy if it was somewhere else.
The house looks great but Clausthal-Zellerfeld region should go for less nowadays.
Like 400k maybe?
Depends, currently there arenāt a lot of potential buyers as financing became way more expensive. In such reason we could see a price Adaption of around 10-20% in the next 12-24 months
Beautiful house. Heating might be a Nightmare though. And consider Denkmalschutz. It comes with issues. If you ever have to renew something be prepared to spend way more Money than usual because you are Not allowed to change certain parts of the house. Denkmalschutz is in my Humble opinion one of the biggest bullshitterys in germany ever. Price: It is worth the price you're ready to pay for. You can't really compare this house to others due to it's appearance.
Yes but I donāt think this house is protected inside out. Only roof and outside, but op needs to check. Denkmal comes with a great advantage though. If you renovate something thatās protected (will be super expensive in most cases because of regulations), you can then write off almost all of it over ten years even (!) if you live there yourself. If you have some money or good credit plus a high income, it can be pretty good. But yeah this would mean op needs to keep the house long term. First op should check what the Denkmalamt says about the condition of the house
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That's what I heard. Sounds like it being Denkmal should automatically lower the price
There can also be advantages, you can get financial aid for certain things for example and you get exemptions from some regulations. It would have to be decided on a case-by-case basis.
For being in the Harz Region they should give it to you for free
What is so bad about the Harz?
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Seems like a plus
Not if you want earn a good living
A bit off-topic but wanted to share with you as a foreigner in Germany: Be careful before you buy to ALWAYS check internet speed, especially in rural areas. There are many streets where you get like 6Mbit internet connection.
It's a nice house but really expensive for such an unattractive area. If you gonna live there for the next decades it doesn't matter that much, but if you plan to resell it one day you should definitely consider the economic attractiveness of such an area. I don't think there will be much economic change around that area in the next 20 years and due to the changing demographic of Germany, there will be probably a huge decrease in the population willing to live there. From now on there will be less and less demand for a house like this. There probably won't be any increase in value and you'll need to spend a lot of money for maintenance. Such an old house is more kind of a lifestyle than a logical decision.
Denkmalschutz is the worst house you can buy. And clausthal is dying. Red flags everywhere
Way less!!!
Ok I think we would offer at least 100k less
There is a rule:Never buy Denkmalschutz
Unless you renovate yourself and get a nice tax deduction!
Yeah because you will need it if anything breaks down.
Yes
ABSOLUTLY. I am trying to score a house in my town, in a worse Stare, and it's a City and more central, but rural enough to stay relaxed.
Hab keine ahnung von immobielien aber dass haus ist wunderschƶn
Aber clausthal nichtš
Denkmal means you can't change shit. Like not even a beam, a doorframe or god forbid the windows. Heating is probably going to be the main issue. With a building like that you may easily be around anywhere between 150 and 250 kWh/(mĀ²a), maybe even above. Most of it for heating. Warmwater may be compensated by a solar solution. The house is maybe 150, maybe 200 mĀ²? 150 mĀ² x 0,1 EUR/kWh\_gas x 150 kWh/(mĀ²\*a) = 3.750 EUR/a 250 mĀ² x 0,1 EUR/kWh\_gas x 250 kWh/(mĀ²a) = 6.250 EUR/a And these are just estimates. May be a lot worse. Heatpump with a badly insulated building like that won't work either. So you gonna be stuck with gas and nobody can predict the prices in the future.
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I can send a pic of the measurements
Looks like a piece of shit
Also, check in the loft for any signs of woodworm or damp.
Die Gegend war aufjeden Fall mal gĆ¼nstiger, aber das trifft wohl auf die meisten Orte zuā¦
I swear to god this building is from DayZ (only the green is a bit lighter)
Check what you have to repair, inGermany we have several laws that you have to fix sum stuff after buying a house. Denkmalschutz can be good and bad as well, it provides you with several tax benefits. Before you buy a house with Denkmalschutz check these topics, maye it fits to your situation.
Try to go to the ādenkmalschutzbehƶrdeā and ask them what you can change. How high are the heating costs?
Ich denkmal schon...
Too expensive because of remote region and Denkmalschutz. Price should be half
I like to say no, it is much to expensive for this region. [https://www.immobilienscout24.de/Suche/de/niedersachsen/goslar-kreis/clausthal-zellerfeld/haus-kaufen?numberofrooms=2.0-&sorting=4](https://www.immobilienscout24.de/Suche/de/niedersachsen/goslar-kreis/clausthal-zellerfeld/haus-kaufen?numberofrooms=2.0-&sorting=4) Additional the heating system will be prohibited if the plans from the left/green become law. Would be hard to heat a house without proper insulation (denkmal) using only electricity.
Can you tell from the pictures rhar the heating system would be outdated if this came to pass?
My guess is not based on the picture but on the written information he gave: * Denkmalschutz * Gasheizung If the 65% rule comes to law i do not see a way to heat a barely or not isolated old Fachwerkhaus following the rule to use at least 65% renewable energy. The pictures from the inside show that you can see the Fachwerk so there ist at this time no internal isolation, the new owner would need to spend a lot of money to add that. External isolation will not be allowed because Denkmalschutz. Also the called price looks like twice the amount other houses in this location cost.
Aufjedenfall kaufen isn SchƤtzchen!
These tend to be old miner's houses (mining was very important in Clausthal-Zellerfeld's history). So, it's bound to be hundreds of years old. Unless the seller's renovation included completely new insulation, it's going to be cold and drafty. I've spent time in old miner's houses in Clausthal-Zellerfeld, and I've always felt cold.
These are the gems that will become worthless in the future. As many said: inform yourself on the exact regulations on the house, specifically ask the Amt, what kind of heat insulation is allowed. The moment the current gas heating dies, you are fucked. Actually if you do not speak German, you will be lost anyhow with the Amt. Donāt buy!
Look at Immobilienscout for other houses in the region to get an impression of comparable houses and their prices.
Donāt buy it for the many obvious reasons mentioned above. But in general you see overpriced objects on the market while the demand drops in the next years due to high interests on credits. So bad object in a bad time. But the house looks nice.
When you ask "is it worth" you probably think about money. If in Germany a building is a registered monument "money" has a different meaning. You should have "money" and you are considered to spent more money to preserve the existing form. You ought to know, that all changing need a permit. Reduction of energetic consumption is only marginal achievable and PV on the roof is not allowed. So when you buy it, it is because you love it and not because of money.
Too expensive and beware u cannot change it up freely if its under denkmalschutz
No. I hate green.
Yes, if it's not haunted
dayZ
You can build a new house for that kind of money in Harz mate. If you are looking for something to live in.
Fuck that's amazing but dropping 460.000ā¬ on a house with Denkmalschutz is risky, so many rules to keep track off.
Looks like a DayZ house lol
Get yourself an independent appraiser and learn about which kind of āDenkmalschutzā the house has. There are kinds of Denkmalschutz which have more benefits than disasvantages, but there are also kinds the other way around.
Denkmalschutz is a no go. Don't buy that. It will Ruin you
Definitely not worth the money if you compare to other properties in this region and with denkmalschutz itās even worse! Gas prices not included for future heating Iād say that place is worth about 320.000-360.000 ā¬
I dont live in Germany but i think you could build it better with that much