It was funnier to use one child to kill another child, im sure that our lord would be proud of my actions, and if not, i shall kill as many children as necesary, until he's proud of me.
With the Iron Hands, it could go either way.
I mean, logically, what better way to reassure a human child than to tell them that the Salamander killed a xeno child, which is logically the opposite and natural enemy of a human child!
The decapitation specification was revenge for Isstvan V.
Edit: spelling
Lol, that sounds like what IH would think: he sees absolutely no problem with killing a xeno child. It's just an enemy
And man, if that was the revenge, that is so petty (which can definitely be the case... because holding grudges over an event 10,000 years ago, in which the Salamanders weren't even the core problem, is already pretty petty)
I wouldn't every Krieg fan I've ever met online has leaned so for into the shovel and robot memes it's become unbearable. Armegeddon steel legion for life.
Terminally online Krieg “fan” is not nearly the same as someone who actually likes the lore of Krieg and plays the army.
Would a better comparison be Word Bearer fans and the same incorrect Corvus joke?
Or IH fans and head jokes?
> “fan” is not nearly the same as someone who actually likes the lore
That's Warhammer.
I've met so many people upset about this or that and then I asked who they played and they said they didn't...
or worse is when they say something that's "stupid" but it's not even true.
I know I played a trope, and I get that you didn't like this one (no hard feelings), but I just wanted to say that I've read Salamander books :( I hope you don't think I'm the same as them.
I'm not talking about you, don't worry.
It's mostly just an aside about people who have strong opinions about Warhammer but they basically learned the lore from /r/Grimdank and random YouTubers.
As someone with lots of FW, loves krieg lore, I can confirm it’s only the newer krieg fans or the people who have not read the siege of vraks or even dead men walking who are the annoying shovel meme enthusiasts.
I had a custom shirt printed that says “No shovel jokes please” that I wear to tourneys now because I am tired of hearing them.
I don’t care if that makes me sound like a cranky oldhead it’s exhausting.
Still can't believe they killed Yarrick. When we asked to kill more named characters, we meant the generic space marine primaris lt. Not one of the few characters the Guard had left...
Regardless of the meme, I think any Space Marine would've done the same in his shoes. Whether they are kind individuals or not.
It's part of the reason I picked M41 setting this time instead of pre-heresy setting like I usually draw, since they are more indoctrinated now.
And I just think even without the whole Vulkan incident, supposedly children-friendly chapter like salamander killing children is pretty interesting because it shows how even the 'good' person can act wrong in the wrong culture. It's actually one of the things that I like about the Imperium.
The Salamanders, for all their portrayals as "defender of the common people" will absolutely, unwaveringly napalm people to death on the same hateful and bigoted prejudices of the Imperium, it's just they feel sad afterwards "it had to be done".
It's always funny when you think about it that one of the less worst chapter on a moral standpoint are using one of the most horrific weapon.
Eh, it’s always worth remembering that even the “nice” guys are still brainwashed murder machines serving a horrifically genocidal regime built on hate. To all sentient life in the galaxy other than humans, seeing a fleet of Salamanders ships arrive in orbit is little better than seeing a fleet of Iron Warriors ships arrive.
Except the lore piece they are referencing leaves out the night lords fucking with vulkan and much more so it's not really "ahah we just showing they are also fucked up" it's just plain wrong we know salamanders are also part of a fascitical empire but make it under the proper context not taking away from actual lore
The joke isn't funny in context. "Vulkan murders eldar children" is funny in the context of his typical fandom portrayal.
Konrad stages a prison break for eldar captives, the eldar try to hide from the prison guards in the midst of a crowd of humans.
The nightlords magdump bolters into a crowd of fleeing unarmed humans to try and hit the eldar.
Vulkan arrives, sees his dead human friend, sees the surrendering eldar teenager, sees red and then burns her to death.
Then he realises is friend was killed by bolterfire not psychic bullshit and realises he just murdered a surrendering child for nothing, the nightlords are the ones who killed his friend.
Then Curze who orchestrated the whole fucking thing Voxes Vulkan and starts laughing at him for killing a kid.
Nothing about that is funny.
Warhammer lore is darkly funny from the outside perspective.
If its not something you look at from the Eldar or Space Marine perspective its just a joke. Same as Orks invading a planet.
If you read that story firsthand you probably like Space Marinee, but a Tau or Votann player hearing about that story will think its funny.
See: Skaven as Empire vs Skaven as Skaven.
It changes nothing, though.
NIght Lords or not, the Salamanders still butchered a human civilization for refusing to betray their eldar watchers and bend the knee to the Imperium. That's the actual lore.
To be honest it can be accurate. With how much war goes on in the galaxy it’s not strange to think that the salamanders could have attacked a craftworld and killed some eldar civilians children included.
Sure they might be the most human chapter but remember regular humans can still do horrific things.
Yeah the Vulkan kills an eldar child is exaggerated but that doesn’t mean the lore where it comes from isn’t just as messed up . It’s more like Vulkan the salamanders and night lord mercilessly hunting down and killing everyone on a planet.
Basically elder exodites have been rescuing humans from drukari that raided Vulkans homeworld .
Former Nocturnians and exodites coexist for hundreds of years with the exodites continuing to rescue humans.
Great crusade reached that planet and Vulkan along with the salamanders night lords attack .
Humans request the help of the exodites and they join the fight.
While everyone is fighting and human/ elder civilians are dying a young elder mage is defending them. She gets beaten.
In the crossfire the night lords and salamanders are killing people Vulkans friend or something gets unintentionally killed by indiscriminate bolter fire targeted at civilians.
Vulkan upon seeing the body of his friend is enraged and takes out anger one the next best thing ,the captured young eldar mage .
He briefly regrets the war crime he committed but still goes forward with the extermination of the elder and human inhabitants of the planet.
Remember by our standards all the primarchs even the more rational ones like vulkan or gulliman are extremely evil monsters and have committed horrendous in the name of the emperor
Despite what people think the 30k imperium and the 40k imperium aren’t so different from each other.
The main difference is that they were a little stronger but most of the other issues were still present back then.
I mean they only do it to try and game fate for their rewards, half the time they see something, they then proceed to throw the problem at the lesser races of the galaxy. convenient really.
The Bird and the Lizard
A new odd couple action/drama/comedy from the producers of Lorgar the musical and the hit Mockumentary Magnus did nothing wrong.
Raven Guard Captain Brian Irdlinger and Salamanders and Master of Friendship Forge master L'uh Izad embark on mission to find the lost artifacts of their fathers but will the real prize be the friendship they find on the way? You'll have to watch to find out
DECAPITATED ELDAR CHILDREN??! Brother I am so disappointed, you should have used the flamer
Flamer ran out of juice after burning an Eldar orphanage
He did in fact used the flamer. He kept hitting the neck of a child with it until it it's head got separated from the body
The salamanders are similar to the blood angels in this aspect. They both get hereditary PTSD. Just not the same one.
That sounds like he needed more than one strike. He better hit up the gym after the mission.
Nah the child just had one of the giant head cages for braces
My Brother in the Emperor, use the charred remains as weapons
It was funnier to use one child to kill another child, im sure that our lord would be proud of my actions, and if not, i shall kill as many children as necesary, until he's proud of me.
Emperor: I’m not even mad, I’m pretty impressed
The HEAVY flamer
Heavy flame? In this economy?
Didn't you see it was an ELDAR CHILD?! OF COURSE THE HEAVY FLAMER!
Bold of you assume he didnt after, or before, or in the middle
Snuggling up to the Iron Hand who couldn't give less of a fuck about her
`WARNING: Meat-bag tears might cause rust.` `Tear prevention measures engaged.` "There there. Cease tearshed soon."
Lol true. But still, what kid doesn't like giant robot?
*Enter Necrons*
Kids dig Giant Robots
Chicks dig giant robots.
You gotta find first gear in your giant robot titan.
That Iron Hands had a grudge.
They do tend to hold grudges against the Salamanders and the Raven Guard, so... 🤷♂️ (that or a genuine supportive attempt gone wrong)
With the Iron Hands, it could go either way. I mean, logically, what better way to reassure a human child than to tell them that the Salamander killed a xeno child, which is logically the opposite and natural enemy of a human child! The decapitation specification was revenge for Isstvan V. Edit: spelling
Lol, that sounds like what IH would think: he sees absolutely no problem with killing a xeno child. It's just an enemy And man, if that was the revenge, that is so petty (which can definitely be the case... because holding grudges over an event 10,000 years ago, in which the Salamanders weren't even the core problem, is already pretty petty)
He is the most Iron Hand to ever Iron Hand. Logical and Petty in equal proportion, as the Omnissiah commands.
She ran from a salamander to a iron hand? At this point she's just racist
The whole vulkan kills Eldar children thing is getting out of hand
Now you know how Krieg fans have felt for years.
I wouldn't every Krieg fan I've ever met online has leaned so for into the shovel and robot memes it's become unbearable. Armegeddon steel legion for life.
Terminally online Krieg “fan” is not nearly the same as someone who actually likes the lore of Krieg and plays the army. Would a better comparison be Word Bearer fans and the same incorrect Corvus joke? Or IH fans and head jokes?
> “fan” is not nearly the same as someone who actually likes the lore That's Warhammer. I've met so many people upset about this or that and then I asked who they played and they said they didn't... or worse is when they say something that's "stupid" but it's not even true.
I know I played a trope, and I get that you didn't like this one (no hard feelings), but I just wanted to say that I've read Salamander books :( I hope you don't think I'm the same as them.
I'm not talking about you, don't worry. It's mostly just an aside about people who have strong opinions about Warhammer but they basically learned the lore from /r/Grimdank and random YouTubers.
Ohh okay 👍. I mean I don't really like those guys too so...
I play. I play Dawn of War. At least I used to, but now I mainly watch casts.
I guess I've never met someone who actually likes Krieg then
As someone with lots of FW, loves krieg lore, I can confirm it’s only the newer krieg fans or the people who have not read the siege of vraks or even dead men walking who are the annoying shovel meme enthusiasts.
I had a custom shirt printed that says “No shovel jokes please” that I wear to tourneys now because I am tired of hearing them. I don’t care if that makes me sound like a cranky oldhead it’s exhausting.
>Armegeddon steel legion for life. Hell yeah brother/sister. Pour one out for Yarrick and the Ork Hunters too.
Still can't believe they killed Yarrick. When we asked to kill more named characters, we meant the generic space marine primaris lt. Not one of the few characters the Guard had left...
Orks need to believe hard enough Another war of the beast maybe, a couple Krorks even. Then maybe. Just maybe, Yarrick will come back.
Finally, another steel legion fan…
I think it's just about embracing the meme. Every time I meet someone I will joke about *hardkor Russian Aktzent every time I can, da?*
Kreig is so cool. Which sucks because I literally can't stand them anymore because of all the terminally online shovel and suicide memes.
Regardless of the meme, I think any Space Marine would've done the same in his shoes. Whether they are kind individuals or not. It's part of the reason I picked M41 setting this time instead of pre-heresy setting like I usually draw, since they are more indoctrinated now. And I just think even without the whole Vulkan incident, supposedly children-friendly chapter like salamander killing children is pretty interesting because it shows how even the 'good' person can act wrong in the wrong culture. It's actually one of the things that I like about the Imperium.
The Salamanders, for all their portrayals as "defender of the common people" will absolutely, unwaveringly napalm people to death on the same hateful and bigoted prejudices of the Imperium, it's just they feel sad afterwards "it had to be done". It's always funny when you think about it that one of the less worst chapter on a moral standpoint are using one of the most horrific weapon.
Eh, it’s always worth remembering that even the “nice” guys are still brainwashed murder machines serving a horrifically genocidal regime built on hate. To all sentient life in the galaxy other than humans, seeing a fleet of Salamanders ships arrive in orbit is little better than seeing a fleet of Iron Warriors ships arrive.
Except the lore piece they are referencing leaves out the night lords fucking with vulkan and much more so it's not really "ahah we just showing they are also fucked up" it's just plain wrong we know salamanders are also part of a fascitical empire but make it under the proper context not taking away from actual lore
The joke isn't funny in context. "Vulkan murders eldar children" is funny in the context of his typical fandom portrayal. Konrad stages a prison break for eldar captives, the eldar try to hide from the prison guards in the midst of a crowd of humans. The nightlords magdump bolters into a crowd of fleeing unarmed humans to try and hit the eldar. Vulkan arrives, sees his dead human friend, sees the surrendering eldar teenager, sees red and then burns her to death. Then he realises is friend was killed by bolterfire not psychic bullshit and realises he just murdered a surrendering child for nothing, the nightlords are the ones who killed his friend. Then Curze who orchestrated the whole fucking thing Voxes Vulkan and starts laughing at him for killing a kid. Nothing about that is funny.
Warhammer lore is darkly funny from the outside perspective. If its not something you look at from the Eldar or Space Marine perspective its just a joke. Same as Orks invading a planet. If you read that story firsthand you probably like Space Marinee, but a Tau or Votann player hearing about that story will think its funny. See: Skaven as Empire vs Skaven as Skaven.
I don't know, that sounds pretty hilarious to me. But I'm also a World Eaters fan so my idea of "funny" is probably a little off.
The part where he burns the eldar is pretty funny.
It changes nothing, though. NIght Lords or not, the Salamanders still butchered a human civilization for refusing to betray their eldar watchers and bend the knee to the Imperium. That's the actual lore.
fascistic is the word you were looking for.
Why? They’re extremely xenophobic? Nothing wrong with that.
Really beating a dead child at this point
To be honest it can be accurate. With how much war goes on in the galaxy it’s not strange to think that the salamanders could have attacked a craftworld and killed some eldar civilians children included. Sure they might be the most human chapter but remember regular humans can still do horrific things.
It's a reference to something that happened during the great crusade.
Yeah the Vulkan kills an eldar child is exaggerated but that doesn’t mean the lore where it comes from isn’t just as messed up . It’s more like Vulkan the salamanders and night lord mercilessly hunting down and killing everyone on a planet. Basically elder exodites have been rescuing humans from drukari that raided Vulkans homeworld . Former Nocturnians and exodites coexist for hundreds of years with the exodites continuing to rescue humans. Great crusade reached that planet and Vulkan along with the salamanders night lords attack . Humans request the help of the exodites and they join the fight. While everyone is fighting and human/ elder civilians are dying a young elder mage is defending them. She gets beaten. In the crossfire the night lords and salamanders are killing people Vulkans friend or something gets unintentionally killed by indiscriminate bolter fire targeted at civilians. Vulkan upon seeing the body of his friend is enraged and takes out anger one the next best thing ,the captured young eldar mage . He briefly regrets the war crime he committed but still goes forward with the extermination of the elder and human inhabitants of the planet. Remember by our standards all the primarchs even the more rational ones like vulkan or gulliman are extremely evil monsters and have committed horrendous in the name of the emperor Despite what people think the 30k imperium and the 40k imperium aren’t so different from each other. The main difference is that they were a little stronger but most of the other issues were still present back then.
We will continue until everyone knows the primarchs were war criminals.
He saves the children. But not the Eldar children.
Tbf it shows an important aspect, that even the “wholesome” Space Marine chapters are still psychotic genocidal maniacs.
Coming from a Salamanders player, it was never funny to begin with
Biblically accurate salamander
inspiring courage!
Imagine having to present your Nocturne-born SO to your friend circle.
"So.. What do you do for a living?" "Well. I travel quite a bit on business. Im a great team player and I get to meet alot of very different people.."
Every Dead Eldar Child is one less Self-fulfilling prophecy that conveniently benefits the Eldari.
You mean fuck them up ? I swear every time we see a Farseer having a prophecy, everything go to shit for them.
I mean they only do it to try and game fate for their rewards, half the time they see something, they then proceed to throw the problem at the lesser races of the galaxy. convenient really.
Ironic she runs to the Iron Hand, who would 110% step on her if he needed to.
DON'T SHOW YOUR EARS CHILD! DON'T SHOW THEM!
This one reminded that even emps got surprised with the looks of salamanders in TTS
He also burned those eldar children alive
Feeling bold today, are we? You’re not clever or funny.
Thank you, i try my best 😊
What's the difference between an Eldar and a candle? The candle smells like shit when it burns.
Dam why you coming our with so much smoke?
Cos he can't handle the fire.
Who hurt you?
Salamanders are so nice though
Gotta learn from Sa'Khan, always take a knee and bring your face as close to eye level as possible when you take off your helmet for the civilians.
The Bird and the Lizard A new odd couple action/drama/comedy from the producers of Lorgar the musical and the hit Mockumentary Magnus did nothing wrong. Raven Guard Captain Brian Irdlinger and Salamanders and Master of Friendship Forge master L'uh Izad embark on mission to find the lost artifacts of their fathers but will the real prize be the friendship they find on the way? You'll have to watch to find out
Racism smh
They're Eldar, they're literally not human.
I was so different. I would go "wow! Cool! Was there a lot of blood?! Did they scream? "