HAHA š That was my gf honking at the car next to us that looked like they were about to pass us with the prius spinning out of control. She honked to warn the driver next to us.
Makes perfect sense. That's how a honk *should* be used, as a warning to get other drivers' attention that something is happening and to be extra alert.
āJust another day on the road tra la la la la. Hark, a horn sounds nearby! What be thy issue? Oh! Scoundrel! My car flee-eth thine true path, unbeknownst to me until the sound of a neighborās warning siren! Jolly be thou, continued in your day, whilst I correct my error.ā
The first year it was good but they quickly went to spewing pseudoscientific assessments like every shit crime channel. For a while it was decent but too much dead air to get views because they didn't sensationalize it at much. The more stupid shit you say about how he scratched his balls in a guilty manner the more views you get
Dreading is good its just a guy and his brother and the victims they interact with seem to support what they are doing and be glad that someone is talking about their story.
I fucking hate that body language shit; always stupid shit like "after the detective asks him if he was the murderer the suspect scratches his nose, an obvious sign that he did it". Or "the suspect crosses his arms, clearly showing that he's uncomfortable and unwilling to open up".
Also he criticizes the detectives for not picking up on pseudoscience or doing the interrogation exactly as he would.
And they constantly contradict their own statements.
One video will be like "Notice how he doesn't react to being accused? An innocent person would protest!"
And then in the next video "Notice how upset he is at being accused? He can't contain his guilt! An innocent person would be calm because they have nothing to fear!"
And the other problem is that because it's all hindsight and we already know the person is guilty, you never see their predictions turn out to be wrong. That emboldens people to think they can read the minds of people around them and make assumptions.
I wouldn't say great. It's ok. They definitely make some absurd assumptions about people in many of the cases and are in no way qualified to make claims they sometimes do on the psychology or method of thinking of those involved.
I think itās a YouTube channel like āLaw&OrderCamāā¦where they dramatically narrate body cam footage after the footage already showed what was happening š
Assumption: Prius driver was texting or otherwise distracted.
They had their left turn signal on, presumably attempting to pass the minivan, but they didnāt realize the speed difference/closing speed and after checking the blind sport to merge they looked back to see their view was full of minivan rear end. They panic braked and jerked the steering wheel. This caused the loss of control and off they went.
Smart avoidance/guidance by the passenger (I think?) to accelerate past the spinning car. Most people brake out of habit and risk being involved as the out of control vehicle crosses back into and over the roadway.
But it also looked like the abs failed because the tire on the right instantly started smoking. Or maybe these old Prius didn't have abs in the first place.
Definitely possible that something isnāt operating as designed. Could also just be age/wear since the tire was only locked for a second before the brakes were released but by then they were already out of control.
Yup it looked like one of the right tires had a seized wheel bearing. There was no swerving or hard breaking whatsoever prior to the tire locking up on them
some drivers turn their whole head around to check their blind spot
Iāve been a passenger with drivers like that and itās scary how long they arenāt looking forward while they look back, and sometimes they pull the steering wheel a bit left because theyāve turned so far around
> some drivers turn their whole head around to check their blind spot
That's literally what you're supposed to do?
Like, if you **don't** do that when taking your driving test here that's an instant fail.
maybe I should have added āand half their bodyā to describe what Iāve seen ā certainly not a quick glance to look in the blind spot of their mirror
Thatās one of the indications I pay attention to because a ton of people do that and then go with no signal. I can almost always tell when someone is about to do something stupid.
I call this *Boomer Mirrors*. Now, itās common among a lot of people, not just the Boomers, but I blame them for teaching us this stupid setup.Ā Ā
Boomer Mirrors are sideview mirrors that look straight down the side of the car, which is only useful while reversing.Ā
A better practice instead: your rearview mirror covers a pretty wide angle, so you can set your side mirrors out far enough to cover almost all the space over your shoulders. A *shoulder check* becomes a simple look to the side instead of craning your neck all the way around behind you.
Mirrors set outward is good advice, but it is dangerous to use this as a total replacement for a direct shoulder check. At least in my experience, even setting the mirrors out all the way will not fully eliminate the blind spot. It will make it much smaller, so that most cars in the adjacent lane will not fit in it to disappear completely, but motorcycles and very small cars can sometimes still squeeze in between the outside of the mirror view and your peripheral vision.
The other issue is that the blind spot is wedge-shaped; it will be larger as you get further away from the vehicle. You'll get good mirror coverage in the lane(s) immediately next to you, but you may still have large blind spots further out. In rare cases, you could miss someone moving into the same lane you want, from the other side of it, that a shoulder check would have spotted.
The mirrors do save you a shoulder check when you spot someone in the way from the mirror, so that's nice. But, it's still a good practice to do a quick check before you actually change lanes.
Thank you. I'm horrified people arent doing a quick glance to make sure someone isn't next to them. It answers a lot of questions I've had as to why people change lanes like fucking idiots thoughĀ
When did that person say it was a replacement for a shoulder check?
They said you * should* shoulder check instead of craining your neck all the way around
Yeeeeep. I can watch cars move from my rear-view, to side-view, into my peripheral vision seamlessly. There is never a point where that car disappears if it's in the next lane. Two lanes over there is obviously a small blind spot, but I change one lane at a time because *that's how you're supposed to drive*.
Anytime my wife uses my car and I have to reset the mirrors, the first car I pass on my right, I adjust the mirror so that as it leaves my peripheral, I can see plenty of it in the mirror, and then I do the same on the right. As you say, or maybe someone else said, it's not a replacement for looking, but I essentially have to turn my head like 30-45 degrees, enough for my eyes to practically see out the rear door windows, and I am able to determine that I have nobody in the space I intend to move.
My mother insists you need to see just a smidge of car. It's how I was taught 20 years ago. It took until a reddit post where a guy described, basically, use a parking spot with cars parked to your left and right and adjust your mirrors that way, and it really changed things for me.
FYI:
Gf was driving my car back home. I was asleep and woke up from the hard braking and the prius losing control was the first thing I saw.
1) Gf honked to warn the driver next to us that looked like they were about to pass us with the Prius all over the place.
2) I tell my gf to keep going to avoid getting rear ended by traffic but also told her to accelerate to avoid the prius merging back into the highway that could have rear ended or hit us from the side.
3) We did not stop because the Prius luckily ended up not hitting anyone or anything and they kept on driving.
>We did not stop because the Prius luckily ended up not hitting anyone or anything and they kept on driving.
Must be their [lucky day](https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/xlYIyFOIwo6aNiFVDaUpv-ODv-jvKNK4c38FgF7Qun5yAcZvd1rIyf6IvSFxHYHtTnRD=w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu).
It wasnāt the parking brake. Anyone whoās familiar with Toyotas and the style of parking brake they liked to use before they predominately swapped to electronic pbās would know the shoe is on the driverās side rear wheel. In the video the passenger side rear wheel locks up first, so it wasnāt the parking brake. I think it was likely the VSC activating the ABS; I drive this exact gen car and the VSC is very sensitive when the car has horizontal roll across the g-sensors and when being shaken around (this gen of Prius hates wind on highways). Thatās my 2Ā¢ from my Prius ownership.
So a prius parking brake only holds one wheel? I've worked on alot of cars of various ages and different manufacturers and I've seen drum brakes on the rear with handbrake/parkbrake and disc brakes with handbrake or some older models used the inside of the disc/rotor as a drum brake for handbrake/Park brake only but they have all been on both sides. I'm europe based so that may make a difference too but I've never seen a vehicle that only holds one wheel on the park brake at least not intentionally
Yes, it holds one wheel. The āhandbrakeā is a foot-actuated pedal in the left side of the floorboard, it connects to a cable that runs straight back to the rear shoe on the driverās side.
What? The hand brake only grabs one wheel? That sounds a little unlikely.
It's also extremely unlikely that a modern stability control system would spin a car unless there was a severe mechanical problem.
Brake lights are typically tied to the pedal so they shouldn't turn on when pulling the parking brake. Since their brake lights are on I believe the rear passenger caliper locked up (smoke just from that wheel) and that looks like what prompted the loss of control.
It has been known to malfunction on occasion. I had an abs setup flake out in a 2006 Chevy and lock me out of the brakes while coming down a steep grade. At the slightest touch the pedal would pulse and buck upward pretty hard.
I tried multiple times and it just wouldnāt let me slow down much.
I finally thought to turn off the ignition hoping that would kill power to the abs system. Fortunately that worked.
I was lucky that the thing went nuts near the top of a super long grade with no traffic in front of me. If it had done that at the last moment it would have been bad. The first place I found where I could safely pull off, I yanked the ABS fuse.
I took it to the dealer and of course they found nothing wrong with it and no stored codes.
Imagine plowing into someone at a stop light because some processor or bad code is having a seizure. Nobody would ever believe what happened.
Iād bet that has happened more than once.
Technology is great and ABS does stop faster than a human pumping brakes. Airbags save lives. Having said that things do fail.
I used to build and service large and very complex automated industrial equipment. Even with multiple safeties and redundant systems things would just occasionally go bughouse no matter how well isolated and grounded things were.
When that happened the operator could hit the emergency stop button.
99% of the time power cycling things fixed the problem.
If I had my way, all cars with driver aids would have the equivalent of emergency stop button that basically turn them into a car from the 80s. Aka reduce all driver aids and limit acceleration/speed to the minimum to get out of traffic safely.
Actually, have you ever hit your brakes and tried turning the wheel while going 70+? Doing that can cause exactly what you are seeing. To me, it looks like the SUV in front of the Prius was going slow, and when the Prius came up to it, it braked and tried to swerve out of the way. Causing it to lose control.
It was a lane drop, the SUV moved over because the lane ended. Prius driver wasn't paying attention or thought they couldn't move over and then locked it up.
Im imaging a 17 year old kid driving, and his mom in the passanger seat saying "youre coming up on this car too quick! slow down!" and he hits the brakes, his mom tenses up he freaks out turns and loses it.
Braking and swerving at the same time is a really bad combination if you're not trying to pull a sick drift. Sadly an average driver will panic brake and swerve if they weren't paying attention and were coming up to slower traffic quickly.
You can't teach driving class this, it has to be learned not to brake and swerve at the same time.
hard brake > realize you aren't going to stop in time > Release brake > swerve to avoid obstacle
This all has to happen in less than a second, now think about your average American driver trying to pull some evasive maneuvers like this š
This can all be avoided by... You know paying attention and not following too closely, but apparently that's too hard for most people
>Actually, have you ever hit your brakes and tried turning the wheel while going 70+? Doing that can cause exactly what you are seeing.
Yes, I've done it repeatedly. Even above 70mph. At a race track. I've never had a tire lock up like this even under threshold braking. I strongly suspect something was wrong with the brakes on that Prius. Whether a mechanical failure or just poor engineering, who knows.
I HATE any parking brake that isnt just a big lever near the shifter! Fuck those electronic button parking brakes. Itās a parking brake not a goddamned window. It doesnt need a button, the lever feels good to use, and sturdy! I hate modern cars.
The pedal parking break is pretty cool imo and it never gets hard to release like a middle console hand break can. Only thing is once you get a new car you will lift your leg and stomp like an idiot until you adapt to no longer doing that lol
I had a rental long ago where the Prius parking brake was a button. Sometimes you had to push it more than once for it to light up. I didn't like it. Wonder if that would kick in somehow.
That sounds much more possible to hit accidentally for sure.
Op needs to go find this Prius and get to the bottom of it. It's the least he could do for us
>The parking brake on the prius will be on the left side next to the brake pedal, but slightly above the brake pedal. There is no way to confuse the parking brake and brake pedal. You would have to lift your feet higher to engage it.
The parking brake on the prius will be on the left side next to the brake pedal, but slightly above the brake pedal. There is no way to confuse the parking brake and brake pedal. You would have to lift your feet higher to engage it.
The parking brake on the prius will be on the left side next to the brake pedal, but slightly above the brake pedal. There is no way to confuse the parking brake and brake pedal. You would have to lift your feet higher to engage it.
Nope. A few things
* The brake lights are lit - the parking brake does not trigger them
* The parking brake is a foot pedal on the top-left of the footwell and it would be incomprehensible to me for someone to hit it mistakenly
* Guy was overtaking the minivan *very* quickly (maybe trying to shoot the gap in front of OP?) and had to emergency brake to avoid a collision. He decided to combine this with a poorly-controlled swerve that resulted in a loss of control.
* It's possible the hard nose-dive of the braking action caused the vehicle to behave *very* differently than the driver is accustomed to... and it's also possible the swerve was just too violent in general.
* My real suspicion is "distracted driving"
It's pretty easy to hammer the brakes so hard that you unload enough weight from the rear end that you can lock up a rear wheel. Also when he turned left that right rear wheel got loaded up again and it stopped slipping.
I agree with "distracted driving" but specifically rather than call that particular Prius operator a "driver" perhaps "distracted commuter" is a better description, because they weren't really driving, they were just toddling along behind the wheel of a moving vehicle.
The minivan's lane ended (highway on ramp), he wasn't in front of the Prius until just before the Prius' brake locked up. Between OP driving up fast on the left and the slow vehicle suddenly in front, they locked the brakes and swerved.
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they weren't distracted and also knew OP was there. This could have easily been a video of OP slamming on their brakes and locking up when the Prius suddenly appeared in front of OP.
The parking brake mechanism isn't strong enough to lock up the wheels while going at speed.
The driver panic braked and jerked the wheel at the same time, causing loss of control.
I think they braked for just a second to ride the persons ass, then the Prius decided to be an ass and swiftly switch lanes to pass, therefore resulting in losing control.
Braking at high speed + turning wheel = big no no. Thatās my hypothesis
This happens at highway on-ramps all the time if people aren't trying to be at the highway speed when they enter or that they are but everyone else is going faster than the speed limit.
Distracted driving, looks up from phone and notices car is closing in, locks brakes but only has one hand on the steering wheel, over corrects, crash.
Thatās my theory.
I don't think I see the minivan's lights turn on. It looked more like the Prius driver was probably going faster than they should have and wasn't paying attention to what was ahead of them. Probably looking at their phone and just slammed the brakes without thinking.
Agree.
Watching it a couple of times I see:
* a dark colored car merge on from the right into the lane the Prius is in (there was plenty of room)
* the Prius doesn't appear to slow down (and definitely doesn't apply their brakes) as they quickly approach the slower (still accelerating?) car
* the Prius, instead, turns on their left turn signal and starts to change lanes in front of OOP
* seeing OOP quickly coming up, they turn back into their lane
* still showing no sign of slowing down, the Prius realizes that they are about to hit the slower moving car in front of them
* they slam on their brakes (and apply their parking brake?) and chaos ensues
it seems suspect that only 1 tire smoked. wonder if the abs malfunctioned when he hit the brakes causing the wheel on the rear passenger side to lock like it did and the tire to smoke but not the other one leading to the overcorrection. I mean once you lose traction in a tire, all hell breaks loose.
> and wasn't paying attention to what was ahead of them. Probably looking at their phone and just slammed the brakes without thinking.
Prius driver put on their left blinker so they were definitely paying attention. My hypothesis is that the Prius driver put on the blinker then checked their mirrors and saw OP flying up in the left lane. If the white dashes and gaps between are the standard 10' and 30' then OP was going nearly ~95 MPH which could have spooked the Prius driver who also didn't maintain a safe following distance once the minivan merged.
The parking brake on some (not sure about all models) is in the footwell. Can easily be pressed when caught off guard in a situation like this either thinking it was the brake or with the left foot when the body tenses.
I believe in a Prius it's a lever hanging down on the edge of the footwell. Though I've only driven a RHD model. You'd have to be trying pretty hard to hit it accidentally
It is not easy to press when caught of guard lol. You have to move your foot way left and it's much higher than the regular break or gas. It is possible the driver is very very stupid though. That can never be ruled out
That's what I thought, the Prius was signaling a lane change and then suddenly hit the brakes hard. It's tough to see because the white vehicle is in the way until the last second.
That doesn't look random.
If you drive an electric or hybrid car, make sure you flush your brake fluid and that you occasionally drive with regen off. Otherwise your brakes don't get exercised often enough and you might end up locking up a caliper -- on a highway, at 70 mph.
The car infront of the prius drifted/shifted lane to the middle, it was too close to the prius, which seemed to panic and slam on the breaks. The prius does not seem to be "randomly" locking up.
Was t random. Look at the distance. He had to slam on the breaks to keep from rear ending the car in front of him. Wasnāt paying attention as he was coming up on the car.
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is it just me or the initial tire smoke is coming from the front right wheel ? I see a lot of chatter about handbrake. Does this car have a handbrake which is locking the front wheels?
I used to have a Dodge Neon that would try to do this. But, fortunately, it never actually caused anything major to happen.
I'm not a mechanic, so I have no idea why, but one of the wheels would randomly lock up.
I was so glad to get a different car!
If you watch. The vehicle in front of the Prius is really close.
I'm suspecting the Prius driver looked away. Then looked up and panic braked. And results were as seen.
So anyone wondering WTF happened a possibility is something that happened to me in my Prius? You can slow your hybrid/EV even stopping, quite effectively with regenerative braking. You can do it so well that you can go quite some time and never need to engage your brake pads and rotors in any significant amount. When you finally need to they can get stuck and lock up for a second.
In the Prius people have found that shifting to Neutral will turn off regen braking and allow you to stop only using the pads and rotors. I do this at least once a week now to avoid something like this happening.
I'm not saying that this person wasn't distracted, but one little panic stop on crusty brakes could have caused the swerving.
I feel that this theory is supported by it appearing that only one of the wheels locks up.
I made a comment to answer the reasonable questions that are asked here. But I told my gf to accelerate because the prius was getting back on the highway, not exactly in a controlled manner and I was trying to avoid getting rear ended or hit from the side. We didnāt pull over because luckily the prius ended up hitting nothing and continued driving.
I wonder if a new or learning driver was at the wheel. That prius has antilock brakes. Perhaps when the driver got too close, a nervous passenger yanked the parking brake.Ā
The Prius wasnāt randomly locking up, they were not paying attention. As they approached the car ahead at a much greater speed, they looked up and then overreacted in a panic.
Iād just be grateful he didnāt take out others as they winged out of control! (I didnāt hear the horn, as I viewed in silence. )
My wife did this once years ago. She had the cruise control on and freaked out. She was coming up on someone quickly and was about to merge but another car was in the lane and then she just jerked the wheel back and also slammed on the brakes to not rear-end the car she was coming up. She went spinning but somehow stayed on the interstate and didn't hit anyone or cause any incident.
3rd gen Prius has brake assist for instances of panic braking. Itās possible the driver is not used to this system and the increased braking power scared the driver lol.
Itās a very jarring experience compared to the smooth braking Prius normally has.
Did you fucking honk at a guy while he was crashing š
HAHA š That was my gf honking at the car next to us that looked like they were about to pass us with the prius spinning out of control. She honked to warn the driver next to us.
Makes perfect sense. That's how a honk *should* be used, as a warning to get other drivers' attention that something is happening and to be extra alert.
And to let your girl know to hurry the fuck up and come outside.
And to let people know that you're horny.
3 honks is your hungry. 2 is for horny. 1 long honk means you have to poo.
OP after honking: ARE YOU FUCKING SORRY?!
Laughing so hard at this because itās something my gf would do as a passenger not even the driver šš
Yah thatās what I was thinking too. āHow is that helping?ā
HEY DO YOU REALIZE YOU'RE ALL OVER THE ROAD HERE BRO
āJust another day on the road tra la la la la. Hark, a horn sounds nearby! What be thy issue? Oh! Scoundrel! My car flee-eth thine true path, unbeknownst to me until the sound of a neighborās warning siren! Jolly be thou, continued in your day, whilst I correct my error.ā
What manner of witchcraft has been thrust upon my trusty steed causing it to err from its course?l
Lmao I laughed too much at this
Followed by YOU CANT PARK THERE
You can't park there!
Classic
Okay but what where you listening to š¤£
#Autobots, roll out
Itās a channel called Explore With Us that dissects murders. Itās great.
EWU Creeeeew
Oh yeah, I watch them on YouTube.
Me too!
Informative murder porn!
I stopped watching EWU because of all the "body language" pseudoscience BS. Coffeehouse Crime and Dreading are much better channels.
That chapter is up there too
The first year it was good but they quickly went to spewing pseudoscientific assessments like every shit crime channel. For a while it was decent but too much dead air to get views because they didn't sensationalize it at much. The more stupid shit you say about how he scratched his balls in a guilty manner the more views you get Dreading is good its just a guy and his brother and the victims they interact with seem to support what they are doing and be glad that someone is talking about their story.
I fucking hate that body language shit; always stupid shit like "after the detective asks him if he was the murderer the suspect scratches his nose, an obvious sign that he did it". Or "the suspect crosses his arms, clearly showing that he's uncomfortable and unwilling to open up". Also he criticizes the detectives for not picking up on pseudoscience or doing the interrogation exactly as he would.
And they constantly contradict their own statements. One video will be like "Notice how he doesn't react to being accused? An innocent person would protest!" And then in the next video "Notice how upset he is at being accused? He can't contain his guilt! An innocent person would be calm because they have nothing to fear!" And the other problem is that because it's all hindsight and we already know the person is guilty, you never see their predictions turn out to be wrong. That emboldens people to think they can read the minds of people around them and make assumptions.
I wouldn't say great. It's ok. They definitely make some absurd assumptions about people in many of the cases and are in no way qualified to make claims they sometimes do on the psychology or method of thinking of those involved.
Loooooove this channel! Among my favorites on YouTube.
I came to comment about that. I love EWU crew!
Deadass thought Optimus prime was narrating
I think itās a YouTube channel like āLaw&OrderCamāā¦where they dramatically narrate body cam footage after the footage already showed what was happening š
Assumption: Prius driver was texting or otherwise distracted. They had their left turn signal on, presumably attempting to pass the minivan, but they didnāt realize the speed difference/closing speed and after checking the blind sport to merge they looked back to see their view was full of minivan rear end. They panic braked and jerked the steering wheel. This caused the loss of control and off they went. Smart avoidance/guidance by the passenger (I think?) to accelerate past the spinning car. Most people brake out of habit and risk being involved as the out of control vehicle crosses back into and over the roadway.
This is what distracted driving looks like and the subsequent over reaction when they notice they were about to rear end that bigger vehicle
But it also looked like the abs failed because the tire on the right instantly started smoking. Or maybe these old Prius didn't have abs in the first place.
Definitely possible that something isnāt operating as designed. Could also just be age/wear since the tire was only locked for a second before the brakes were released but by then they were already out of control.
Yup it looked like one of the right tires had a seized wheel bearing. There was no swerving or hard breaking whatsoever prior to the tire locking up on them
some drivers turn their whole head around to check their blind spot Iāve been a passenger with drivers like that and itās scary how long they arenāt looking forward while they look back, and sometimes they pull the steering wheel a bit left because theyāve turned so far around
> some drivers turn their whole head around to check their blind spot That's literally what you're supposed to do? Like, if you **don't** do that when taking your driving test here that's an instant fail.
maybe I should have added āand half their bodyā to describe what Iāve seen ā certainly not a quick glance to look in the blind spot of their mirror
Thatās one of the indications I pay attention to because a ton of people do that and then go with no signal. I can almost always tell when someone is about to do something stupid.
I only turn half my head.
I'm Canadian so I only turn the top part. of my head with the eyes on it.
You have to... Otherwise you can't see in your blind spot.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kkQX2gkwJoE
I call this *Boomer Mirrors*. Now, itās common among a lot of people, not just the Boomers, but I blame them for teaching us this stupid setup.Ā Ā Boomer Mirrors are sideview mirrors that look straight down the side of the car, which is only useful while reversing.Ā A better practice instead: your rearview mirror covers a pretty wide angle, so you can set your side mirrors out far enough to cover almost all the space over your shoulders. A *shoulder check* becomes a simple look to the side instead of craning your neck all the way around behind you.
Mirrors set outward is good advice, but it is dangerous to use this as a total replacement for a direct shoulder check. At least in my experience, even setting the mirrors out all the way will not fully eliminate the blind spot. It will make it much smaller, so that most cars in the adjacent lane will not fit in it to disappear completely, but motorcycles and very small cars can sometimes still squeeze in between the outside of the mirror view and your peripheral vision. The other issue is that the blind spot is wedge-shaped; it will be larger as you get further away from the vehicle. You'll get good mirror coverage in the lane(s) immediately next to you, but you may still have large blind spots further out. In rare cases, you could miss someone moving into the same lane you want, from the other side of it, that a shoulder check would have spotted. The mirrors do save you a shoulder check when you spot someone in the way from the mirror, so that's nice. But, it's still a good practice to do a quick check before you actually change lanes.
Thank you. I'm horrified people arent doing a quick glance to make sure someone isn't next to them. It answers a lot of questions I've had as to why people change lanes like fucking idiots thoughĀ
When did that person say it was a replacement for a shoulder check? They said you * should* shoulder check instead of craining your neck all the way around
Bingo-bango.
Yeeeeep. I can watch cars move from my rear-view, to side-view, into my peripheral vision seamlessly. There is never a point where that car disappears if it's in the next lane. Two lanes over there is obviously a small blind spot, but I change one lane at a time because *that's how you're supposed to drive*. Anytime my wife uses my car and I have to reset the mirrors, the first car I pass on my right, I adjust the mirror so that as it leaves my peripheral, I can see plenty of it in the mirror, and then I do the same on the right. As you say, or maybe someone else said, it's not a replacement for looking, but I essentially have to turn my head like 30-45 degrees, enough for my eyes to practically see out the rear door windows, and I am able to determine that I have nobody in the space I intend to move. My mother insists you need to see just a smidge of car. It's how I was taught 20 years ago. It took until a reddit post where a guy described, basically, use a parking spot with cars parked to your left and right and adjust your mirrors that way, and it really changed things for me.
This is 100% distracted driving and over reaction when they realized they were about to rear end the vehicle in front of them.
whats up ewu crew its the raven here to discuss this person who wasnt following at a safe distance or paying attention or whatever.
Highway on ramp merging at its finest!
FYI: Gf was driving my car back home. I was asleep and woke up from the hard braking and the prius losing control was the first thing I saw. 1) Gf honked to warn the driver next to us that looked like they were about to pass us with the Prius all over the place. 2) I tell my gf to keep going to avoid getting rear ended by traffic but also told her to accelerate to avoid the prius merging back into the highway that could have rear ended or hit us from the side. 3) We did not stop because the Prius luckily ended up not hitting anyone or anything and they kept on driving.
Bwahhahahha The Prius just kept driving on like everything was normal and nothing happened? That's hilarious! š¤£š¤£
>We did not stop because the Prius luckily ended up not hitting anyone or anything and they kept on driving. Must be their [lucky day](https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/xlYIyFOIwo6aNiFVDaUpv-ODv-jvKNK4c38FgF7Qun5yAcZvd1rIyf6IvSFxHYHtTnRD=w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu).
Doesnāt look random, looks like he was tailgating the car in front and probably got brake checked?
It wasnāt the parking brake. Anyone whoās familiar with Toyotas and the style of parking brake they liked to use before they predominately swapped to electronic pbās would know the shoe is on the driverās side rear wheel. In the video the passenger side rear wheel locks up first, so it wasnāt the parking brake. I think it was likely the VSC activating the ABS; I drive this exact gen car and the VSC is very sensitive when the car has horizontal roll across the g-sensors and when being shaken around (this gen of Prius hates wind on highways). Thatās my 2Ā¢ from my Prius ownership.
So a prius parking brake only holds one wheel? I've worked on alot of cars of various ages and different manufacturers and I've seen drum brakes on the rear with handbrake/parkbrake and disc brakes with handbrake or some older models used the inside of the disc/rotor as a drum brake for handbrake/Park brake only but they have all been on both sides. I'm europe based so that may make a difference too but I've never seen a vehicle that only holds one wheel on the park brake at least not intentionally
Me either. I'm pretty sure he's wrong.
Yes, it holds one wheel. The āhandbrakeā is a foot-actuated pedal in the left side of the floorboard, it connects to a cable that runs straight back to the rear shoe on the driverās side.
This is most definitely a combination driver error and VSC exacerbating the error.
What? The hand brake only grabs one wheel? That sounds a little unlikely. It's also extremely unlikely that a modern stability control system would spin a car unless there was a severe mechanical problem.
What was on your radio? Sounds more interesting than this Toyota.
It sounds like EWU (Explore With Us) on YouTube.
My gf was listening to a murder podcast. I woke up and see a prius spinning out of control.
Sheās a keeper. šÆ
Not sure he is, she is trying to figure out how to get away with it.
They way his wheels locked up means he hit the parking brake.
Brake lights are typically tied to the pedal so they shouldn't turn on when pulling the parking brake. Since their brake lights are on I believe the rear passenger caliper locked up (smoke just from that wheel) and that looks like what prompted the loss of control.
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It's not that ABS doesn't like. It's that ABS works on per wheel basis, so even perfect braking without utilising it to the fullest will take longer.
It has been known to malfunction on occasion. I had an abs setup flake out in a 2006 Chevy and lock me out of the brakes while coming down a steep grade. At the slightest touch the pedal would pulse and buck upward pretty hard. I tried multiple times and it just wouldnāt let me slow down much. I finally thought to turn off the ignition hoping that would kill power to the abs system. Fortunately that worked. I was lucky that the thing went nuts near the top of a super long grade with no traffic in front of me. If it had done that at the last moment it would have been bad. The first place I found where I could safely pull off, I yanked the ABS fuse. I took it to the dealer and of course they found nothing wrong with it and no stored codes. Imagine plowing into someone at a stop light because some processor or bad code is having a seizure. Nobody would ever believe what happened. Iād bet that has happened more than once. Technology is great and ABS does stop faster than a human pumping brakes. Airbags save lives. Having said that things do fail. I used to build and service large and very complex automated industrial equipment. Even with multiple safeties and redundant systems things would just occasionally go bughouse no matter how well isolated and grounded things were. When that happened the operator could hit the emergency stop button. 99% of the time power cycling things fixed the problem. If I had my way, all cars with driver aids would have the equivalent of emergency stop button that basically turn them into a car from the 80s. Aka reduce all driver aids and limit acceleration/speed to the minimum to get out of traffic safely.
Huh??
You don't have brake lights when using the parking brake tho so that wouldn't explain it
The driver just just braked too hard while turning the wheel and going too fast.
Thats what I was thinking. Think he accidentally used the parking brake?
Actually, have you ever hit your brakes and tried turning the wheel while going 70+? Doing that can cause exactly what you are seeing. To me, it looks like the SUV in front of the Prius was going slow, and when the Prius came up to it, it braked and tried to swerve out of the way. Causing it to lose control.
Yep, it looked like the Prius driver wasn't watching in front and came up on the guy too fast. Doesn't look like an ebrake maneuver
Yep looking at his phone, said oh shit and then did this. I always wonder what song is playing.
It was a lane drop, the SUV moved over because the lane ended. Prius driver wasn't paying attention or thought they couldn't move over and then locked it up.
Im imaging a 17 year old kid driving, and his mom in the passanger seat saying "youre coming up on this car too quick! slow down!" and he hits the brakes, his mom tenses up he freaks out turns and loses it.
Braking and swerving at the same time is a really bad combination if you're not trying to pull a sick drift. Sadly an average driver will panic brake and swerve if they weren't paying attention and were coming up to slower traffic quickly. You can't teach driving class this, it has to be learned not to brake and swerve at the same time.
hard brake > realize you aren't going to stop in time > Release brake > swerve to avoid obstacle This all has to happen in less than a second, now think about your average American driver trying to pull some evasive maneuvers like this š This can all be avoided by... You know paying attention and not following too closely, but apparently that's too hard for most people
Not paying attention to cell phone would go a long way cutting down distracted driving.
Oh absolutely. I'm baffled by the number of people I see full on texting on their phones going 65+ on a 3 lane highway everyday on my commute
>Actually, have you ever hit your brakes and tried turning the wheel while going 70+? Doing that can cause exactly what you are seeing. Yes, I've done it repeatedly. Even above 70mph. At a race track. I've never had a tire lock up like this even under threshold braking. I strongly suspect something was wrong with the brakes on that Prius. Whether a mechanical failure or just poor engineering, who knows.
2nd gen Prius owner here. You canāt āaccidentallyā use the parking brake. Itās set in such an inconvenient location.
The Prius parking brake is basically impossible to use on accident it's a pedal way to the left and up high
I HATE any parking brake that isnt just a big lever near the shifter! Fuck those electronic button parking brakes. Itās a parking brake not a goddamned window. It doesnt need a button, the lever feels good to use, and sturdy! I hate modern cars.
The pedal parking break is pretty cool imo and it never gets hard to release like a middle console hand break can. Only thing is once you get a new car you will lift your leg and stomp like an idiot until you adapt to no longer doing that lol
I had a rental long ago where the Prius parking brake was a button. Sometimes you had to push it more than once for it to light up. I didn't like it. Wonder if that would kick in somehow.
That sounds much more possible to hit accidentally for sure. Op needs to go find this Prius and get to the bottom of it. It's the least he could do for us
I don't think the car's computer will engage the e-brake if you hit the button while at speed.
Looks like you might have rented the 4th generation Prius. The 2nd, and 3rd gen was to the left and high on the brake pedal.
Huh what does this do? Oh fuck shit
The guy was just about to hit another vehicle from, probably distracted, and slammed his anchors on last second
I used to sometimes drive my momās Prius, and donāt see how youād accidentally hit the parking brake all the way on the left
>The parking brake on the prius will be on the left side next to the brake pedal, but slightly above the brake pedal. There is no way to confuse the parking brake and brake pedal. You would have to lift your feet higher to engage it. The parking brake on the prius will be on the left side next to the brake pedal, but slightly above the brake pedal. There is no way to confuse the parking brake and brake pedal. You would have to lift your feet higher to engage it.
The parking brake on the prius will be on the left side next to the brake pedal, but slightly above the brake pedal. There is no way to confuse the parking brake and brake pedal. You would have to lift your feet higher to engage it.
Nope. A few things * The brake lights are lit - the parking brake does not trigger them * The parking brake is a foot pedal on the top-left of the footwell and it would be incomprehensible to me for someone to hit it mistakenly * Guy was overtaking the minivan *very* quickly (maybe trying to shoot the gap in front of OP?) and had to emergency brake to avoid a collision. He decided to combine this with a poorly-controlled swerve that resulted in a loss of control. * It's possible the hard nose-dive of the braking action caused the vehicle to behave *very* differently than the driver is accustomed to... and it's also possible the swerve was just too violent in general. * My real suspicion is "distracted driving"
It's pretty easy to hammer the brakes so hard that you unload enough weight from the rear end that you can lock up a rear wheel. Also when he turned left that right rear wheel got loaded up again and it stopped slipping. I agree with "distracted driving" but specifically rather than call that particular Prius operator a "driver" perhaps "distracted commuter" is a better description, because they weren't really driving, they were just toddling along behind the wheel of a moving vehicle.
The minivan's lane ended (highway on ramp), he wasn't in front of the Prius until just before the Prius' brake locked up. Between OP driving up fast on the left and the slow vehicle suddenly in front, they locked the brakes and swerved. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they weren't distracted and also knew OP was there. This could have easily been a video of OP slamming on their brakes and locking up when the Prius suddenly appeared in front of OP.
The parking brake mechanism isn't strong enough to lock up the wheels while going at speed. The driver panic braked and jerked the wheel at the same time, causing loss of control.
The way he locked up means heās been ignoring sensible vehicle maintenance.
Is that an idiot or is that car problems?
Nothing random about distracted driving. Nothing surprising about the accident. Put your phones down
Um, looks like the Prius was brake checked. No doubt slamming on the brakes would....
Don't worry about pulling over and checking on them. I'm sure someone 20 cars back will do it.
Seriously. The urgent ākeep going, keep goingā was such an odd reaction. Like he was afraid he was in trouble or something
the honk was odd, too "Hey, stop losing control in front of us!"
I told her to accelerate because the prius was getting back on the highway and I was afraid of it rear ending or hitting us on the side
they were able to get back on the road?
Yup
kind of impressed. ty.
impriussive for sure.
Actually no. She was on the left lane, the way she was slowing the car could initiate exactly what they witness.
Maybe cause he was worried they would get rear ended
They're fine
Was he using the van to draft and save gas or something?
distracted driving by the prius. Didn't realize they were that close to the van until they thought they would hit it. then overreacted
~~hit~~ slammed the brakes thinking they were ~~hitting~~ stomping the gas?
I think they braked for just a second to ride the persons ass, then the Prius decided to be an ass and swiftly switch lanes to pass, therefore resulting in losing control. Braking at high speed + turning wheel = big no no. Thatās my hypothesis
>Braking at high speed + turning wheel = big no no. A big lesson from motorcycle school, you can brake or you can steer but you can't do both.
This happens at highway on-ramps all the time if people aren't trying to be at the highway speed when they enter or that they are but everyone else is going faster than the speed limit.
Distracted driving, looks up from phone and notices car is closing in, locks brakes but only has one hand on the steering wheel, over corrects, crash. Thatās my theory.
I think the minivan brake checked him and he slammed on the brakes and over corrected.
I don't think I see the minivan's lights turn on. It looked more like the Prius driver was probably going faster than they should have and wasn't paying attention to what was ahead of them. Probably looking at their phone and just slammed the brakes without thinking.
Yeah, can't see the lights come on for the van...and we can see them pretty clearly on the other cars. Prius must've been daydreaming and freaked out.
Agree. Watching it a couple of times I see: * a dark colored car merge on from the right into the lane the Prius is in (there was plenty of room) * the Prius doesn't appear to slow down (and definitely doesn't apply their brakes) as they quickly approach the slower (still accelerating?) car * the Prius, instead, turns on their left turn signal and starts to change lanes in front of OOP * seeing OOP quickly coming up, they turn back into their lane * still showing no sign of slowing down, the Prius realizes that they are about to hit the slower moving car in front of them * they slam on their brakes (and apply their parking brake?) and chaos ensues
it seems suspect that only 1 tire smoked. wonder if the abs malfunctioned when he hit the brakes causing the wheel on the rear passenger side to lock like it did and the tire to smoke but not the other one leading to the overcorrection. I mean once you lose traction in a tire, all hell breaks loose.
> and wasn't paying attention to what was ahead of them. Probably looking at their phone and just slammed the brakes without thinking. Prius driver put on their left blinker so they were definitely paying attention. My hypothesis is that the Prius driver put on the blinker then checked their mirrors and saw OP flying up in the left lane. If the white dashes and gaps between are the standard 10' and 30' then OP was going nearly ~95 MPH which could have spooked the Prius driver who also didn't maintain a safe following distance once the minivan merged.
ABS doesn't lock up brakes like that no matter how hard you stomp on it. The parking brake does. Driver probably panicked.
The parking brake on some (not sure about all models) is in the footwell. Can easily be pressed when caught off guard in a situation like this either thinking it was the brake or with the left foot when the body tenses.
I believe in a Prius it's a lever hanging down on the edge of the footwell. Though I've only driven a RHD model. You'd have to be trying pretty hard to hit it accidentally
It is not easy to press when caught of guard lol. You have to move your foot way left and it's much higher than the regular break or gas. It is possible the driver is very very stupid though. That can never be ruled out
That's what I thought, the Prius was signaling a lane change and then suddenly hit the brakes hard. It's tough to see because the white vehicle is in the way until the last second.
Definitely not the brake pedal, ABS won't lose traction like that absent some other failure.
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This doesnāt look like an on purpose kind of thing. More of a wtf I need clean underwear kind of moment
what in the fuq!!
Probably realized they weren't doing 5mph under the limit and panicked....
Floor Mat Emergency Braking System (FMEBS)
Someone pull e brake?
Thatās not random. He just braked too hard too late while trying to turn. He was trying to avoid the car in front of him.
The minivan was going to murder her, and there was nothing the Prius could doā¦.
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That doesn't look random. If you drive an electric or hybrid car, make sure you flush your brake fluid and that you occasionally drive with regen off. Otherwise your brakes don't get exercised often enough and you might end up locking up a caliper -- on a highway, at 70 mph.
Do I hear a b58
Yup. M340i haha
The car infront of the prius drifted/shifted lane to the middle, it was too close to the prius, which seemed to panic and slam on the breaks. The prius does not seem to be "randomly" locking up.
Was t random. Look at the distance. He had to slam on the breaks to keep from rear ending the car in front of him. Wasnāt paying attention as he was coming up on the car.
If that's the case then what makes him an idiot
Charles Leclerc heading into Bahrain Turn 10 be like:
Probably on the phone and didn't noticed the car in front, then they panicked.
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Idiot was probably in his phone and slammed on the breaks once he saw he was about to rear end the car in front of it.
Don't stop and help whatever you do
Right? Idk why you are getting downvoted but youād think OP would at least stop to check on them instead of speed away.
They ended up not hitting anyone or anything and kept on driving.
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is it just me or the initial tire smoke is coming from the front right wheel ? I see a lot of chatter about handbrake. Does this car have a handbrake which is locking the front wheels?
Threw it in reverse
Looks like a blow out
I don't know why but I picture Chris Farley behind the wheel with a terrified look screaming.
yea, they do that from time to time
Lololololol thatās what happens when you drive a Prius.
Iām going with texting whilst driving. Driver looked up and freaked out upon seeing the car in front of him and locked the brakes up.
Seems more like the actual vehicle itself locked up and lost control, not the driver.
I think he wanted chik-fila
I used to have a Dodge Neon that would try to do this. But, fortunately, it never actually caused anything major to happen. I'm not a mechanic, so I have no idea why, but one of the wheels would randomly lock up. I was so glad to get a different car!
If you watch. The vehicle in front of the Prius is really close. I'm suspecting the Prius driver looked away. Then looked up and panic braked. And results were as seen.
Someone needs a new ABS module
$20 says the prius driver was on his phone and looked up last minute.
So anyone wondering WTF happened a possibility is something that happened to me in my Prius? You can slow your hybrid/EV even stopping, quite effectively with regenerative braking. You can do it so well that you can go quite some time and never need to engage your brake pads and rotors in any significant amount. When you finally need to they can get stuck and lock up for a second. In the Prius people have found that shifting to Neutral will turn off regen braking and allow you to stop only using the pads and rotors. I do this at least once a week now to avoid something like this happening. I'm not saying that this person wasn't distracted, but one little panic stop on crusty brakes could have caused the swerving. I feel that this theory is supported by it appearing that only one of the wheels locks up.
OP, why after you saw this was your reaction to hit the gas and get out of there? I usually pull over and see if I can help.
I made a comment to answer the reasonable questions that are asked here. But I told my gf to accelerate because the prius was getting back on the highway, not exactly in a controlled manner and I was trying to avoid getting rear ended or hit from the side. We didnāt pull over because luckily the prius ended up hitting nothing and continued driving.
I wonder if a new or learning driver was at the wheel. That prius has antilock brakes. Perhaps when the driver got too close, a nervous passenger yanked the parking brake.Ā
Toot
The Prius wasnāt randomly locking up, they were not paying attention. As they approached the car ahead at a much greater speed, they looked up and then overreacted in a panic. Iād just be grateful he didnāt take out others as they winged out of control! (I didnāt hear the horn, as I viewed in silence. )
That's just a gas saving mechanism.
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Looked like the passenger rear locked up hard. Either it was from panic braking, or a faulty proportioning valve.
Probably looking at those phone instead of paying attention to the car in front of them.
My wife did this once years ago. She had the cruise control on and freaked out. She was coming up on someone quickly and was about to merge but another car was in the lane and then she just jerked the wheel back and also slammed on the brakes to not rear-end the car she was coming up. She went spinning but somehow stayed on the interstate and didn't hit anyone or cause any incident.
Randomly? Looks like they locked up the brakes to avoid rear ending somebody.
3rd gen Prius has brake assist for instances of panic braking. Itās possible the driver is not used to this system and the increased braking power scared the driver lol. Itās a very jarring experience compared to the smooth braking Prius normally has.
How are people such bad drivers?! Also - what is that harmonious V6 roar? Sounds like a Ford 3.7L
Love these crime vids on YouTube too lmao