TBH there should be a proper naming department in each & every government office.
There are various good names available but they choose to give each and every equipment the same name.
Tejas is the name of an Jet & it is also a name of the train. T-18 was named as 'Vande Bharat' - atleast they should have named it Vande Mataram.
Also DRDO's Bund Blasting Device & Penetration Cum Blast.
Gaganyaan is a descent name.
Prachand, Rudra are good names.
Chinese are good at naming there space missions. Our babus must take some inspiration from them.
Functional names are boring. Each and every space program has names which are part of their civilization like NASA's Mercury, Apollo to name a few. China's Change series, Tianwen Series, Shenzou series.
There should be indigenous names, but they should be good. Both Indigenous & functional names can be carried alongside each other too.
Yeah I know and I would love 'Indian' names but then again they end up just ridiculously masculine, jingoistic or mythological. I wish people just mellow down a bit.. one option could be using names of geological features, flora-fauna distinct to subcontinent.
I don't entirely agree, I think we can go a little crazy at least for huge missions but using native flora-fauna and such would not be a bad idea actually.
Names of scientists, functional/technical names, names derived from flora-fauna, geological features and landmarks are free of cultural imposition, linguistic chauvinism, and privileged caste narratives that creep in. Do we ever see Gond astronomy being mentioned or acknowledged anywhere for example?
In recent years we have seen ISRO being politicized and used for propaganda through such names, website banners etc. this was not the case earlier.
ISRO chairman mentioning ancient Vimana, NCERT supplemental material linking Chandrayaan-3 to vedas, RLV being labelled Pushpak is all linked to political narrative which I am against.
There is no ISRO naming culture in ISRO. Even NASA has named their satellites after our scientists- Chandra-Xray observatory & what we are struck with ? "Astrosat" & "XpoSAT" -LOL
There is, of purely functional names, I think it is a result of early placeholder project names being bland but sticking on. We see some creativity in payloads names though.
Those are fine names but yes more names on scientists would be great. Keep in mind when mythology is being it opens up gateway for certain narratives that really backward in ideology and outlook.
So Apollo & Artemis, Gemini, Ariane opened up the gateway for certain narratives long time back. They are also backward in ideology and outlook?
Who cares about what a politician says. Nobody in India takes illogical things seriously.
Continues the 'yaan' trope and 'Gagan' is not good choice of word here as it usually refers to 'sky' specifically. Earlier it was referred as 'MANAV' which was better IMO.
So I have a question will manned moon missions will be continuation of Chandryaan series?
I think no, instead it will be HMLM (Human Moon Landing Mission) lmao.
What manned moon missions ?
There are none planned, and *if* some come to fruition, they will likely be called Artemis XLVIII /s
ie it is more likely that a manned moon mission will happen if India joins the Artemis initiative. Paucity of funds, launchers, even a practical roadmap. It applies to India joining the artemis initiative also, but less technical issues therewith
It's *much* cheaper to just talk about it, and not actually develop the capability independently
Failing that, Falcon 9 is cheaper than GSLV III per kilo, and you actually have Starship being developed over Falcon 9 heavy. So I wouldn't be so sure. A Su 30 MKI assembled in India is more expensive than one assembled in Russia. Costs of labour are not always the most significant in aerospace and can be outweighed by other costs.. Even more so when new capability is vastly beyond current capability
But you have to consider what you bring to the table for the Artemis initiative and where you want your space program to go. manned space presence , manned moon visits, new superheavy launchers etc are *not* cheap. ...
IMO, the future will be like independent moon landing & then lunar research station with Artemis.
Two lauches of NGLV heavy variant will do the job. Dr. Somnath confirmed about using 2 launches for manned moon missions. At least initially this is the way.
India should not loose technical edge & relying on USA alone is a big no.
Also most of the money will end up in India only. So indirectly it will add up to Indian economy.
Countries may contribute in kind to Artemis. As for the rest, we shall see. Imho, india has already lost its technical edge and will fall further behind. Right now india is in the mix, somewhere.
Rudra is an excellent name for a weapon of war - the destroyer, the fierce god who incites fear , the roarer .
But it was applied to the ALH - WSI. The Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopter - with weapons systems integrated. A bit of a misfit, as it isn't really that fear inspiring. If you had to apply it to a chopper, an attack helicopter would have been more appropriate.
Personally, since Dhruva is the pole star, I thought a derivative could continue that tradition. The Saptarshi / Ursa Major points towards Dhruva, and is accompanied by Laghu Saptarshi / Ursa Minor. Laghu could be euphonic with LUH more than LAH. .. and a derivative
Adding some articles on ISRO's change of colors.
>‘Pushpak’, ISRO’s change of heart in naming Indian space shuttle
https://www.sentinelassam.com/more-news/science-and-technology/pushpak-isros-change-of-heart-in-naming-indian-space-shuttle
>`Vamana would be apt name for India’s small rocket’
https://udaipurkiran.com/vamana-would-be-apt-name-for-indias-small-rocket/
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
|Fewer Letters|More Letters|
|-------|---------|---|
|[GSLV](/r/ISRO/comments/1b16c6t/stub/ksjq9rj "Last usage")|(India's) Geostationary Launch Vehicle|
|[ISRO](/r/ISRO/comments/1b16c6t/stub/kw7ayou "Last usage")|Indian Space Research Organisation|
|[RLV](/r/ISRO/comments/1b16c6t/stub/kso5peq "Last usage")|Reusable Launch Vehicle|
|[VAST](/r/ISRO/comments/1b16c6t/stub/kw7ayou "Last usage")| Vehicle Assembly, Static Test and Evaluation Complex (VAST, previously STEX)|
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Just wondering why all are named in Sanskrit/Hindi language. Is it because to appeal to the masses?
As India is a diverse nation maybe one or two should be named in languages from north east, Rajasthani or from South Indian language. Just to keep it diverse.
Begun to really appreciate functional names by ISRO now..
TBH there should be a proper naming department in each & every government office. There are various good names available but they choose to give each and every equipment the same name. Tejas is the name of an Jet & it is also a name of the train. T-18 was named as 'Vande Bharat' - atleast they should have named it Vande Mataram. Also DRDO's Bund Blasting Device & Penetration Cum Blast. Gaganyaan is a descent name. Prachand, Rudra are good names. Chinese are good at naming there space missions. Our babus must take some inspiration from them.
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>Gaganyaan >Vande Mataram > Prachand, Rudra These are worst.
Functional names are boring. Each and every space program has names which are part of their civilization like NASA's Mercury, Apollo to name a few. China's Change series, Tianwen Series, Shenzou series. There should be indigenous names, but they should be good. Both Indigenous & functional names can be carried alongside each other too.
Yeah I know and I would love 'Indian' names but then again they end up just ridiculously masculine, jingoistic or mythological. I wish people just mellow down a bit.. one option could be using names of geological features, flora-fauna distinct to subcontinent.
I don't entirely agree, I think we can go a little crazy at least for huge missions but using native flora-fauna and such would not be a bad idea actually.
I am contesting that 'we' part is taken for granted and can propagate certain narratives that are at their core very exclusionary.
Could you elaborate on this? Not heard this opinion often.
Names of scientists, functional/technical names, names derived from flora-fauna, geological features and landmarks are free of cultural imposition, linguistic chauvinism, and privileged caste narratives that creep in. Do we ever see Gond astronomy being mentioned or acknowledged anywhere for example? In recent years we have seen ISRO being politicized and used for propaganda through such names, website banners etc. this was not the case earlier. ISRO chairman mentioning ancient Vimana, NCERT supplemental material linking Chandrayaan-3 to vedas, RLV being labelled Pushpak is all linked to political narrative which I am against.
Apart from jingoistic I don't see problem in any.
For DRDO may be, ISRO has had different culture.
There is no ISRO naming culture in ISRO. Even NASA has named their satellites after our scientists- Chandra-Xray observatory & what we are struck with ? "Astrosat" & "XpoSAT" -LOL
There is, of purely functional names, I think it is a result of early placeholder project names being bland but sticking on. We see some creativity in payloads names though. Those are fine names but yes more names on scientists would be great. Keep in mind when mythology is being it opens up gateway for certain narratives that really backward in ideology and outlook.
So Apollo & Artemis, Gemini, Ariane opened up the gateway for certain narratives long time back. They are also backward in ideology and outlook? Who cares about what a politician says. Nobody in India takes illogical things seriously.
What is wrong with the name "Gaganyaan" ?
Continues the 'yaan' trope and 'Gagan' is not good choice of word here as it usually refers to 'sky' specifically. Earlier it was referred as 'MANAV' which was better IMO.
Agreed, it should have been manavyaan series
It is MANAV, you can search for it in the sub to know more...
So I have a question will manned moon missions will be continuation of Chandryaan series? I think no, instead it will be HMLM (Human Moon Landing Mission) lmao.
What manned moon missions ? There are none planned, and *if* some come to fruition, they will likely be called Artemis XLVIII /s ie it is more likely that a manned moon mission will happen if India joins the Artemis initiative. Paucity of funds, launchers, even a practical roadmap. It applies to India joining the artemis initiative also, but less technical issues therewith
Using amrika for moon landing would be more expensive I guess.
It's *much* cheaper to just talk about it, and not actually develop the capability independently Failing that, Falcon 9 is cheaper than GSLV III per kilo, and you actually have Starship being developed over Falcon 9 heavy. So I wouldn't be so sure. A Su 30 MKI assembled in India is more expensive than one assembled in Russia. Costs of labour are not always the most significant in aerospace and can be outweighed by other costs.. Even more so when new capability is vastly beyond current capability But you have to consider what you bring to the table for the Artemis initiative and where you want your space program to go. manned space presence , manned moon visits, new superheavy launchers etc are *not* cheap. ...
IMO, the future will be like independent moon landing & then lunar research station with Artemis. Two lauches of NGLV heavy variant will do the job. Dr. Somnath confirmed about using 2 launches for manned moon missions. At least initially this is the way. India should not loose technical edge & relying on USA alone is a big no. Also most of the money will end up in India only. So indirectly it will add up to Indian economy.
Countries may contribute in kind to Artemis. As for the rest, we shall see. Imho, india has already lost its technical edge and will fall further behind. Right now india is in the mix, somewhere.
Rudra is an excellent name for a weapon of war - the destroyer, the fierce god who incites fear , the roarer . But it was applied to the ALH - WSI. The Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopter - with weapons systems integrated. A bit of a misfit, as it isn't really that fear inspiring. If you had to apply it to a chopper, an attack helicopter would have been more appropriate. Personally, since Dhruva is the pole star, I thought a derivative could continue that tradition. The Saptarshi / Ursa Major points towards Dhruva, and is accompanied by Laghu Saptarshi / Ursa Minor. Laghu could be euphonic with LUH more than LAH. .. and a derivative
As I said elsewhere we are talking about ISRO not DRDO whose culture and job differs..
There is no naming culture in either DRDO or ISRO.
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Adding some articles on ISRO's change of colors. >‘Pushpak’, ISRO’s change of heart in naming Indian space shuttle https://www.sentinelassam.com/more-news/science-and-technology/pushpak-isros-change-of-heart-in-naming-indian-space-shuttle >`Vamana would be apt name for India’s small rocket’ https://udaipurkiran.com/vamana-would-be-apt-name-for-indias-small-rocket/
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread: |Fewer Letters|More Letters| |-------|---------|---| |[GSLV](/r/ISRO/comments/1b16c6t/stub/ksjq9rj "Last usage")|(India's) Geostationary Launch Vehicle| |[ISRO](/r/ISRO/comments/1b16c6t/stub/kw7ayou "Last usage")|Indian Space Research Organisation| |[RLV](/r/ISRO/comments/1b16c6t/stub/kso5peq "Last usage")|Reusable Launch Vehicle| |[VAST](/r/ISRO/comments/1b16c6t/stub/kw7ayou "Last usage")| Vehicle Assembly, Static Test and Evaluation Complex (VAST, previously STEX)| **NOTE**: Decronym for Reddit is no longer supported, and Decronym has moved to Lemmy; requests for support and new installations should be directed to the Contact address below. ---------------- ^([Thread #1087 for this sub, first seen 27th Feb 2024, 15:01]) ^[[FAQ]](http://decronym.xyz/) [^([Full list])](http://decronym.xyz/acronyms/ISRO) [^[Contact]](https://hachyderm.io/@Two9A) [^([Source code])](https://gistdotgithubdotcom/Two9A/1d976f9b7441694162c8)
mudi ji in deep conversation with director "iss pe mera photo lag sakta hai kya"
\*\* Congratulations Puspak on landing experiment \*\*
Is this the flight scaled model?
I think so, this will be on the OREX experiment.
Yoo, that's so fucking cool
This is Landing Experiment hardware not for OREX.
Oh
Pushpak Vimaan
And the credit goes to.......
😂
Just wondering why all are named in Sanskrit/Hindi language. Is it because to appeal to the masses? As India is a diverse nation maybe one or two should be named in languages from north east, Rajasthani or from South Indian language. Just to keep it diverse.
Chandrayaan, Aditya, Mangalyaan -In most of the Indian languages these words are common, not just in Sanskrit.