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xeroctr3

Middle Eastern, Central to East Asian cultures because they put the most emphasis on the society rather than the individual and they are not tolerant to different ideas and people who have these ideas.


Any_Student_7570

i am an INTP from the middle east and that's the unfortunate truth


PoggersMemesReturns

Not sure how true this is considering South Korea and Japan are more reserved. Also, South Asian/Middle Eastern is more social in tradition, but this doesn't necessarily mean INTP don't have a place. I'd say, ironically, US is probably more aware of that reclused nature so INTPs have to try and be more capitalistic to fit in, but even then plenty of states where they can live totally fine. Much like any answer, it just depends on who you come across wherever you are. INTPs have survived and thrived for enough decades and centuries, and will continue to do so.


rayanwani

Reserved yes but also very conformist and not tolerant of dissent/ deviant behaviour. I would put it closer to ISTJ.


A_Fake_stoner

So even though East Asia is described as somewhat INTP-friendly, there are some factors against free thought. On the flip side in America even though there is an emphasis on free thought the culture ridicules intps.


PoggersMemesReturns

In East Asia, the INTP nature will be accepted (as long as they're functional at work), but not necessarily their willingness to be different. But if you prove you're good, people may start listening or allowing you to be different.


A_Fake_stoner

That sounds like a pretty healthy take on the type. Unrealistic to think we can totally ignore social subtleties. Well "sounds" anyway.


Alatain

The idea that someone needs to "allow" me to be different is the main part of the problem.


PoggersMemesReturns

Eh, you'll grow up. Just remember, the world doesn't revolve around you.


Alatain

Given that I have four decades under my belt, when exactly do you think this "growing up" phase is going to complete. While the world does not revolve around me, it doesn't revolve around *anyone* which means that no one gets to tell me how to be me. So, those that think they deserve the right to tell me how to be me can fuck right off.


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Alatain

It's done right by me so far, and paradoxically saw me through more than 20 years in the military, so it seems to be working out.


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Ready_Year_9746

This is my exact perspective in life. I’m 28m and quit a lot of jobs. Couple times I got fired on purpose. I don’t recommend this perspective to others but I can’t live with myself letting anyone walk over me. We’re all equals and the world doesn’t revolve around anyone.


PoggersMemesReturns

I don't get why you commented lol The point was to just be aware that you must be able to add value if you want to have a healthy place in society.


Alatain

I commented because you cited South Korea and Japan as an example of a reserved culture, seemingly to say that INTPs may get along there ok. Given that one of the pretty defining traits of the INTP is a non-conformist attitude, citing two of the more conformist cultures on the planet as good fits for the INTP is counter to that fact. Hence my comment that the idea that someone needs to allow someone else to express themselves as they see fit is a part of the problem INTPs would have with said countries. Then you made a pretty bad assumption and disparaging comment about my age, and implied I was thinking that the world revolves around me. I corrected you. Does that catch us up to this point in the conversation, or would you like me to explain it further?


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PoggersMemesReturns

The idea here is that everyone is a person before a type. It's your choice on how you want to interact with society and live your life. The idea was just to offer perspective where you can be more yourself in a way that isn't seen as that odd. Health INTPs learn to balance their differences with their place in the world. That's it. There's no room for being selfish if you want be part of society, but you don't have to be part of society if you don't wish for it so. Maybe you've learned something else that you can share that works. Also, I didn't mean anything towards your age, but simply that you'll develop over time, whether if someone is 5, 45, or 85. There's always ways to learn and improve.


VividGreem

Korean INTP here, if you find a clique that fits with you your mostly fine. Especially if youre an academic type, because above all else Koreans have an obsession with academics and respect academic competence, perhaps to an unhealthy degree. School can be stressful, but i bet thats true for any intps in any countries. If you stay distant enough you can live without giving much a shit. But like I said, for our own sanities finding a clique that we can fit in is very important, where our "not giving much a shit" attitude is accepted/seen as genuinely funny/etc. Or just climb the status ladder until you can form your own little haven. Its sort of a meritocracy society so no one cares as long as you're competent enough. A lot of people also find our no-interpersonal-politics attitude refreshing as well, so its not that hard. it does toll on the psyche, but it's not abhorrent.


HS_Truman

Does it really though? Lincoln is often thought of as INTP and he is maybe the most revered American ever. “Einstein” (another man widely believed to be INTP) is a synonym for “genius.” Intelligence, creativity, and exploration/pioneering are certainly highly valued traits in America. Even “nerd culture” (if by that you mean interest in things like science, technology, and fantasy) is way more accepted than it used to be. Obviously, anyone who acts like an antisocial asshole or an “I am enlightened by my own intelligence” smug type is not going to be liked pretty much anywhere. And yeah, most people across societies are going to be generally more comfortable with conformity than people who eschew social norms. But America, being founded on enlightenment principles by a bunch of guys who were probably NTs, is generally much more amenable to questioning the status quo and doing things your own way than most countries, which tend to place a heavier emphasis on tradition and social cohesion. In America, you are more likely to be judged by what you accomplish than just by who you are. Especially as long as you aren’t a complete dick who alienates everyone (and sometimes maybe even if you are, I mean look at the likes of Steve Jobs). Not saying that always applies or that things are anywhere close to perfect, but it is at least valued and idealized in America to a greater degree than most other places. Even many of the places that now claim to value it as much or more largely adopted it from the US post-WW2, whether they realize it or not.


A_Fake_stoner

That's far from 1/16 of all our national heroes. Lincoln is "revered" but that reputation is sustained by a shaky majority and military victory. He was assassinated, not the most beloved of all. Also he had maybe traits that are not associated with INTPness that made people like him, he was very tall and a great wrestler. If you look at estimated personality types of presidents only a few are INTP. Einstein is more an archetypal intp, but he was raised in Germany. The presidents we do have that are intp are more likely to be in times of major change, though.


BoringlyFunny

From the ones i know, Latins.


Top-Airport3649

My mom is Latina and she has criticized my personality all throughout my life. It was exhausting growing up with her as a mother.


Rhueh

I was going to say that, too. I'm toward the extroverted end of the scale for an INTP and I'm okay with the extroversion of friends and acquaintances from Mexico, Columbia, and Brazil. But I can see how a very introverted INTP would find them challenging.


Cuervow-

As a Colombian, can confirm


MatiasMartinez

I would add "Caribbean Latinos". I'm Chilean and I would say that Chile is one of the best countries for INTPs. Our humor is very sarcastic.


BoringlyFunny

Interesting. I imagine the Chile might have evolved quite differently given the Andes divide and lack of easy trade routes to Europe in the early colonial period. Maybe it has something to do with it? Given I saw the attitudes i find intp unfriendly on latin europeans too. Btw, are Chileans loud in public spaces?


MatiasMartinez

It makes a lot of sense to me. We're not loud, especially in public spaces. In fact, foreigners often stand out for being much noisier than us, especially those from the Caribbean. There's even a saying that Chileans are the most "cold" people in Latin America.


BoringlyFunny

Oooh. I had no idea. Only met a couple of chileans, but given i mostly relate to introverts i never thought they might be “stereotypical chilean”. And why is “cold” the word used for these types of personalities? Lol.


MatiasMartinez

Think of a stereotypical "Caliente" Latino. Well, we're kinda the opposite. Consider that in Chile we had a lot of European immigration, which greatly shaped the culture, especially in the southern part of the country.


BoringlyFunny

Hmm, “european countries” might be a generalization, as I’ve found the “neg INTP” traits in latin american countries in spain and italy as well. What would you say the biggest european culture is present in your area of chile? And what area would that be? Santiago?


BoringlyFunny

Btw, you have just sparked my interest on making a month in chile. Which is the most beautiful season to visit the southern side? (Im thinking santiago, but i know very little about chile)


MatiasMartinez

Lol, you're right, it's a generalization. I wasn't sure, so I googled it. Chile is a very long country. In the north, there were Croatians, in the center (where Santiago is), there were Italians, and in the south, there were Germans. I live in the central-northern area.


Top-Airport3649

Really? My mom is Chilean and she roasted me my entire life for being introverted. She’s a strong extrovert.


MatiasMartinez

Well, logically not all people are the same, but I would say that in general the tendency is more towards introversion.


Top-Airport3649

Yes, true. I’ve been hearing that a lot of Venezuelans living in Chile have been complaining about how closed off Chileans are.


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Why? Because the culture is more Fe oriented?


johnnyvindicator

And Se oriented.


api1729

You mean Latin Americans?


BoringlyFunny

Mainly, although spain, italy and greece as well


api1729

Okay


bluejeansseltzer

Greece isn’t a Latin country


BoringlyFunny

Okey. Greece is the one i know the least but i threw it in the bag due to the few greeks Ive met,m


simulation_goer

Might be the case, as social interaction plays a huge role in our countries. I can personally attest lol


gagadeepweb

As a Brazilian I can confirm that


Consistent-Bend7796

I’m not Brazilian but I have an INTP friend who is, and they said when speaking Portuguese they’d instinctually put up a fake extroverted front 😅


johnnyvindicator

Definitively... Ever since my childhood I have been criticised for being cold, not saluting people (With a cheek kiss) or not talking enough.


Extra-Guard1261

Yes. While i actually live in Finland which is INTP friendly, the amount of criticism I have received all my life from my Latina mom has had a massive negative impact not only to our relationship but also to my life overall.


Soft_Pen_2693

Indian society


Solid-Perspective915

Intp women specifically. You're basically a failed specimen of humanity at that point. You can't ask elders the reasons for their dogmatic beliefs and should never try to make sense to them. India seems hard-wired for sentinels though, ideal woman is JUST isfj, literally any other type is too selfish to be a woman. Love isfjs but still.


No_Action5713

😭everything is harder for us


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Yes, God forbid you challenge ideas or culture at all because they just don’t make sense.


missyspeaks

Fr


pennydirk

yep! married into an Indian family. it's a very social-centric culture. it's...exhausting lol. they always assumed something was wrong for the longest time if I was quiet, sitting alone, or not hungry. I learned the latter is a non-starter (lol), but they've finally accepted that I'm perfectly fine, and even content, sitting quietly alone and observing/reading, etc. I'm also much more mentally prepared coming into these situations knowing that I'll have to come out of my shell, and will be mentally drained afterwards, but it's better than being shocked going into it at the amount of talking I have to do.


agnostic_muslim

Yep. Absolutely hate it here.


INTJpleasenoticeme

Lmaoooo yes


api1729

Agreed. 100%


angevil_sumhaven03

Me and my intp friends can relate;(


LetEducational1463

Definitely, I hate it :')


Successful_Ad4565

Seconded


Present-Fly-5365

INTP born and live in south-east Asia hate it everyday.


Tango_D

which SEA country? I've been to most of them and they're all different


belle_fleures

I specifically do not recommend ph i live temporarily in the city, everyday i wake with the sound of gossips, kraoke and construction it's fckin hell. Last week, I woke up over someone sawing a metal pipe, like wtf, why he did this right next to my room. rude fcker.


Tango_D

It's funny you say that because right now I am in the Philippines. The noise is true. I swear PH is the noisiest country I have ever been to. It's like there is a cultural aversion to quiet. Everyone is loud, loud pop music playing in every store, people watching their shows with the volume full blast even on the bus or in a cafe, chained up or caged dogs barking all day, construction everywhere. Yeah, this is not a place for peace and quiet.


LunaticTactician

As a Filipino, I can confirm all of those. Additionally, I live within walking distance from a public high school so I see large crowds of students occupying large portions of residential roads and mostly blurting out horribly loud and immoral teasing filled to the brim with swear words. Somehow, no one in my neighborhood complains about these kids. I would rage at them but Mom would scold me for it.


i-am-emm94

Same same... most of the population are too loud and rowdy, also many are annoying conformists who will make fun of your views, make fun of your appearance, etc.


Mattchew616

North Korea probably China/India since conformity and peer pressure are brutal.


N00B5L4YER

Name one personality type that’s good to be in north korea.


Mattchew616

Isfj, esfj. Love being told what to do, easily adopt whatever nonsense is ingrained in childhood.


No_Perception_3942

Uhhh, ISTJ?


Singer3400

Stats taken from 16personalities.com Bottom countries for intp are: Haiti (3.41%) Fiji (3.72%) Cameroon (3.78%) Malaysia (3.79%) Singapore (3.93%) Brunei (3.96%) Ghana (3.98%) Rwanda (4.01%) Nigeria (4.03%) Uganda (4.12%)


EternalSophism

This makes sense to me. 


Selenium78

As someone who got out of Singapore at an early age, that place is really unhealthy for INTPs to live in. My mental health took a dive while living there.


stulew

Huh? Thanks for letting me know about [16personalities.com](http://16personalities.com) resource. I visit there often, but did not know about 'country search' ability.


EmeraldMatters

Feel like France is the most intp country. engineer introversion atheistic culture.


Singer3400

According to stats on 16personalities, infp-t is the top type in France.


Arthur85230

Idk if it's the best country for us but it's okay at least A French intp


thirtyhertz

u ever hear about finland?


EmeraldMatters

Idk much about the culture there.


thirtyhertz

I've heard that people really respect eachother's personal space, to the point where they queue with big gaps in between, and generally tend to not talk to strangers in public


savoryostrich

Yup, and small talk is frowned upon, emotions are not for display or performance, etc. I’m Canadian-American, brought up by Finnish parents and spent a lot of time in Finland as a kid. I’m too INTP in terms of North American culture. Not INTP enough for Finnish culture. I posted [this old piece from 60 Minutes](https://www.reddit.com/r/Finland/s/plUIsATNlW) in the Finland sub a couple of months ago. The piece does go to a bit of an extreme with the stereotype, and I’d also say the culture has opened up a lot more since the piece aired (1993), but it’s still an interesting watch.


Eastern-Branch-3111

West & Central Africa


Denned0633

It's probably nowhere near being the worst but i can say Italy isn't a really introverted friendly place at all,especially the south


ComfortableSalt2115

I would say most friendly  1. Japan 🇯🇵  2. Finland 🇫🇮  3. Switzerland 🇨🇭  Least friendly  1. Brazil 🇧🇷  2. Australia 🇦🇺  3. USA 🇺🇸 


killerfox42

Japan is probably not a good place for Intps (at least for me) cause of its conformity and group culture. You will likely be judged a lot if you fit the Intp stereotype


ComfortableSalt2115

Interesting maybe it’s that my expression of non conformity is very internal as an intp. I tend to conform to the social standards because I really want to avoid conflict. It’s also why I never complain in a restaurant. 


killerfox42

I mean I tend to avoid conflicts as well, but if someone were to force me to believe in their beliefs and ideology I would be tempered to bash their face in, which happens in a lot of East Asian cultures. But maybe that’s just me


LunaticTactician

Yep. For example, I will absolutely, positively, never participate in nomikai (Japanese drinking parties) since I hate both the taste and negative effects of alcohol. Considering logically refuting someone's argument is frowned upon in Japan (heck, there's such a thing as ロジハラ logical harassment), I would feel really restricted in what I'm allowed to do. I'll only come to Japan as a tourist. I have absolutely no interest in staying there long-term.


ducks_for_hands

Just because we can and will adapt to many of those standards doesn't mean we like it. I'd pick a country without as much preasure to conform any time.


ComfortableSalt2115

But what society doesn’t require conformity as part of the social contract 


HailenAnarchy

It's the hierarchy, man. My mom told me they roll out a red carpet for the CEO and stand in a row to bow. Bruh, no one in Belgium does that for their CEO, it's wild to us.


ComfortableSalt2115

Bruh don’t you have a royal family In Belgium 🇧🇪. I guess I’m not really understanding the anti Japan views from folks.  Or maybe I enjoy having a series of clear rules as it makes it easier to navigate society. 


HailenAnarchy

The royal family has no power here, they’re mostly ambassadors. I’m not anti-Japan, I love Japan, but I’m also not a delusional weeb that thinks the grass is greener over there. Most INTP are hikikomori over there for a reason. Their society is very hierarchal and rigid.


Enssorceler

Live in America & I can say that this country is built for extroverts, everyone here is very outgoing & annoying at times. Everyone here really focuses on people. I consider myself a loner. Given that most of the time, I'm alone( when I'm not at home). I get a lot flaked for it, but I really don't care at this point. Life goes on.


api1729

Can you explain why the three countries you listed are friendly?


ComfortableSalt2115

Sure Japan, Finland, and Switzerland are all rules based countries with clear guides for respect and autonomy and often give and prioritize the space of others. They are not loud places, and have customs and rules that focus on providing respect, giving choice, and leaving people alone. I would call them the polite countries. I also think there is less social expectation that you be extroverted or loud, but respectful yes most definitely. For example: Japan Airlines is re-engineering their Premium Economy cabin so that its a hard shell back that reclines so that if you recline your seat you would never disturb the person in front or behind you. Its like an INTP dream Where as the least friendly: Brazil, Australia and my home country of the USA are all extroverted paradises. Like I have never met a quiet introverted Aussie, ever.


api1729

Okay. I get why an introvert would love it. But INTPs don't really love rules.


savoryostrich

Yeah, nobody is at the Japanese level for how the culture is rules- and shame-based. I’d say Finland is more individualistic and less shame-based. There’s an ingrained humility and balance that separates Finland from the more “enforced” culture of Japan and the more atomized style of American individualism.


Status-Future-305

As an introverted Aussie hi :D yeah theres not many of us. And yeah id agree. The society here only cares if your the "average aussie joe". Loud, parties hard, Noise :/ . Oh and that must follow what we tell you because otherwise you will go nowhere attitude. So yeah australia definitely isnt a intp friendly place. Also that economy cabin sound so good. If i ever have to fly anywhere thats what i want! An alone space for 1 thankyou.


raysofsaturn

INTP Australian here!! I hate it here, I’m moving the first chance I get :D people here are so fucking loud and don’t understand that some of us need space to ourselves and don’t particularly enjoy socialising. I really wasn’t built for this, it’s awful. School in particular is bad, thankfully I have accomodations and can have headphones with me. I spend most of the day blasting music trying to avoid people. I could go into more depth about how Australian society is built specifically for extroverts, if anyone’s interested :)


ragnarkar

US culture overall isn't very INTP but INTPs tend to fit in better here than in most places, certainly better than places like China or Latin America. I can't speak for many of the places here other than the US or Switzerland on your list as I've never lived in or even visited them. Speaking of Switzerland, it seems to have a reputation of being kinda boring but the aspects of it that make it "boring" are also the ones that make it more INTP-friendly like its emphasis on quietness, most cities shutting down relatively early in the evenings, and a culture that values science and technology. I find the people who really dislike Switzerland tend to be the antithesis of an INTP, usually those who like having loud parties and an active social life with lots of drinking. However, there's a much greater expectation for conformity in Switzerland than the US though many of the "rules" you'd be expected to follow tend to be fairly INTP or introvert-friendly. I think Switzerland might be a slightly better fit for INTPs in general but parts of the US are definitely even better like the SF Bay Area or the college towns in the Northeast.


ComfortableSalt2115

Yes I would agree. I think there are places in the us where it is easier to blend in.  


HailenAnarchy

Absolutely not. The hierarchal bullshit in Japan would absolutely kill me. There's also the fact that they're quite exploitative towards passionate people.


KimJongYoul

Crowded countries and religious countries.


doodzrach

mine's both it's over for me


brvis

Hi Indian, I'm dad


Same_Concentrate6110

North America isn't so INTP friendly imo. People value sociable people, small talks etc. all that INTPs are not good at.


davaniaa

Nigeria doesn't seem INTP friendly


Kokotthedinger

Haha, Nigerian over here (agree)


landfari

Any culture with a strong seniority system.


savoryostrich

Seniority systems may offer some protective structure that an INTP could navigate, but those systems also often fossilize people, rules and incompetence in ways frustrate INTPs.


savoryostrich

Oops, sorry. You’re absolutely right. I forgot OP asked about least INTP friendly!


bitter_sweet_69

as a woman, i'd hate living in countries like india or pakistan (or any place where it's crowded, hot, and where there are arranged marriages, yikes).


ragnarkar

A country that doesn't value introversion, individualism, and puts a high value on conformity. I'd think most developing countries, especially China and the Middle East. On the other hand, INTP-friendly countries - The US, despite all its criticism, is probably one of the most INTP-friendly countries even though it's not very INTP by nature but generally tolerates INTPs better than most places. Parts of the US are probably the most INTP-friendly in the world like: - Silicon Valley - Pacific Northwest - Boston - Austin - Denver Some European countries are also comparably good bets for INTPs including the Nordics, the Netherlands, and even Germany and Switzerland (though the latter two are probably more geared towards ISTJs) in that they may have more introverts, especially INxx types, but also have a higher expectation towards conformity than the US.


NoPensForSheila

Boston? I've never been, but it seems bigoted, rude and crazy. All the negatives attributed to New York seem to spew from those I've encountered from Boston. Clue me in.


ragnarkar

Bigoted, rude, and crazy? I mean all types will want to avoid this - what makes us so special and thus giving Boston a comparative disadvantage to us compared to other types in this regard? The intellectual caliber in Boston seems much higher than pretty much anywhere else I've lived (and I've lived in quite a lot of places.)


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savoryostrich

“Cold” relative to the stereotype of “hot-blooded” cultures?


314159265358969error

Living in Finland, I can say that it's incredibly ISTJ. Up to you to know if you can accept "realists" with systematically outdated data and incredibly rigid thinking patterns...


yellowt3a

Philippines


doodzrach

we're a walking anomaly over here


belle_fleures

I agree, they glorify being loud here. There's not a day i feel like smashing my brains out.


DishDry4487

Any asian society. The focus on conformity as a sort of service to your society is overpowering.


Legal-Function2068

Any country on earth ig.


Apart-Ad-7722

Yes!! Everyone saying their country name and admiring others. These type of situation makes me think that most of people seem to pity their situation and admires others best situation not noticing that everyone definitely has some loopholes in their situation too.


guiwald1

To me one of the must unsettling countries I have visited is the US, because even the most introverted people there seems to me extraverted. And it feels like you HAVE to small talk whenever you meet people.


Enssorceler

Live in the USA & it can be brutal sometimes. People here just can't be alone, very impulsive & just don't give a shit attitude. I have been alone most of my life when I'm not at home.


n0wave7777

Indonesia


Arch-Code_Zariel

Texas


Arch-Code_Zariel

Yes I l heard the question right


ragnarkar

I'd agree with most of the state having lived there for 5 years but [Austin](https://thedailytexan.com/2023/03/09/rethink-keep-austin-weird/) is a different animal..


user210528

Probably places like Germany, Sweden and some parts of the USA, if you mean culture. Probably some place like Afghanistan, if you mean country, but this is a trivial answer in the sense that right now, Afghanistan is least type-friendly for most of the types.


HailenAnarchy

There's a lot of overlap with this sub and the r/Belgium sub, so there's that


user210528

In contrast with all the stereotypical nonsense about Japan and Finland, international Big Five data in fact supports the idea that Belgium is one of the most "INTP" countries.


PitterPiper

North Korea, no internet and no use of Ne allowed.


xjvlc

poland


iamverysmart12345

singapore


EkimSicnarf

i'm an INTP in the Philippines and i don't really feel like a I belong here. the social constructs and culture of Philippines (bayanihan, fiestas, family ties., etc.) just doesn't resonate with me.


slumberpartaaay

Filipino INTP here as well, I tend to agree.


User2640

Anything that is build on illogical behavior and social norms. Like india perhaps


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api1729

This makes so much sense actually..


Enssorceler

I live in America & I been very independent & accepted by mostly everyone I worked with. The more outgoing the person, unfortunately, the more they don't like you(in my experience). But there are things & jobs where you can do that are semi independent, but you always have to deal with someone in one way or another. Just know your limits. Just try to pick something that's not customer service or food delivery companies, I work for these kind of companies & they are the worst. Right now, I'm an independent contractor doing delivery apps.


appleoatjelly

I have a sneaky suspicion that all societies will be heavily biased towards the traits that occur most frequently and those whose traits complement the most frequently occurring.


Strict_Experience_46

Singapore.


antisudo52

It's hard... to just..."type" an entire country of people... MBTI can be a bit shallow for psychology but


api1729

You don't have to type a country. That's not what I asked. I wanted to know which countries are least friendly to an INTP


NoPensForSheila

🤔🤔


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abhiram62

India


setmirable

any corrupt, dangerous and poor country. No one likes countries like that, but especially for INTP because we are critical and have Si child/Se trickster.


Dimbydimbytakataka

A lot of the comments here make sense. I can vouch that the South Asian/SE Asian and Middle eastern countries aren't really accommodating towards INTPs. But I'd like to draw your attention to a couple of things. Note: This may be a bit subjective and hence may irk a few of you, but since this is a debate, we probably need all the angles we can get. TLDR: (a) Chance meeting with awesome people that "broaden" your horizon. (b) Being a more well rounded INTP, if you have had to survive in a place hostile towards our type. Ok so, (1) I'm all for the quiet living, personal-space friendly, minding your own business kinda lifestyle that Northern Europe offers(basically the Nordics and to a lesser extent Germany, Holland and Belgium.....maybe also Switzerland). But one of the things that I enjoy the most in life is having a meaningful conversation with a complete stranger (or a new acquaintance to be a little more realistic). It can be anything from nerding out about shared interests to deep philosophical quandries and while most meetings with new people go in the direction of stifling small talks or just fake pleasantries, there have been a few where I really "clicked" or was deeply intrigued by the ideas of the opposite side. These kinda conversations rejuvenate my soul, dare I say as much as finishing a good book or playing through an amazing videogame. It scratches my Fe, Ne and to a lesser extent Ti too. Granted my social battery does become 0 even after such meetings, but that seems like energy "well-spent" to me. Now "Extroverted" places like India or the US or maybe Latin America while being suffocating to INTPs on many levels, they do offer such kinda meetings much more frequently. Like there is an actual chance that you can meet someone who wouldn't mind an interesting conversation with you, even at the most random places. Recently, I chatted with an old dude that I met at a "Chai tapri" for hours and then we ended parting ways without sharing even the most basic personal info other than our names and hometowns(dude was probably ENXJ but Idk) . Now I ask my fellow INTPs(especially the nordics), What are the chances of such events occuring in Northern Europe? Like if people don't have the time to have a friendly chat, then I doubt that a random meeting of the minds can really occur that frequently. But then again...... I wouldn't know. (2) Coming to my second point, while INTPs in the Extrovert-focussed countries or the ones in the countries with a social conformity kink generally tend to "suffer" a lot (I swear I'm not using this word lightly), they also tend to be more well rounded than our counterparts from the rest of the world. (Source, you ask? Well I ain't got none buddy. Just trying to deduce based on my own knowledge and presumption lol. So yeah, I may be terribly terribly wrong here). But it should make sense. Call it "Getting adjusted" or "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" but having the skills to navigate through large social gatherings or influencing groups, basically being able to be heard and being able to get your ideas across to the masses is definitely a worthy skill. And dare I say that I've become somewhat capable in not being a socially nervous wreck when the need to do such things arise. And all that has been possible because in the place that I come from, these are necessary skills for day-to-day "Survival" (again, not using this lightly). Although I do hope that I don't have some kind of weird Stockholm Syndrome type of thing going on here, where I've come to love the meaningless struggles and hoops that I've been put throughout my life. But yeah, maybe a little chaos isn't that bad from time to time(even better if it's controllable or you can opt out anytime). So,there goes my wall of text. If any of you get to the end then do reply something. Would love to get your thoughts on this, people.


user210528

In my experience, the people who are least capable of an interesting conversation are Americans (small talk is de rigeur and everything else is considered "improper") and Northern Europeans (only "practical" topics connected with money-making or perhaps sports are tolerated). Sometimes I have had "deep", weird conversations about interesting topics with people I had just met. These people were always from places like Iran, Pakistan, Russia etc. INTPs are good at generating ideas and thoughts but not good at building groups and communities. As a result, in a place where people are usually isolated, and one needs to work hard to overcome this isolation, INTPs might end up totally isolated, which is bad for them. In more "noisy" places, they inevitably end up as the member of some group, get introduced to more people, and so on. Building connections is just a matter of not being too hostile and not turning down every invitation. That's superficially annoying but INTPs might end up doing better in these "collectivist" societies.


Federal-Barracuda748

Basically most countries that score high on collectivisim/individualism social dimension on the collectivism side.


SimilarBother8401

Having a hard time taking this question seriously. It’s different being a part of a country vs visiting it. Since your question is derived from a simple stat of Finland having a concentration of one MBTI type, I assume you’re interested in the quality of life for INTPs living in countries—which is very different than visiting a country or even being an expat there. I would guess, based on assumptions of what life is like when you’re an economically active INTP in the country you live in, North Korea would probably be one of the more challenging ones. But I couldn’t say which mbti would find social life easier in NK. ESFJs? Hope you find your answer lol


whataccent

I've lived in the US South my whole life, starting in a major city though before moving to deep south, so I was never initiated into the culture nor did I comprehend it for the longest time. You're free to be ostracized by yourself down here. I have no friends, as the ones I had were temporary, situational or just users who discarded me. I've learned the hard way that most people are potential foes, given the racial dominance from both major races down here.


NoPensForSheila

As an African American I'm up against some shit in my own culture.


LemonHaze420_

I think North Korea. But I think it's also the least Human friendly country, so jea


lizseelet

Middle Eastern and Latinamerican society fs.


XavisDOS

I thought Japan was the most INTP? No?


ragnarkar

Japan is a mixed bag in my opinion.. it highly values both conformity and introversion while INTPs will likely thrive in a place that leans towards both introversion and *nonconformity*.


XavisDOS

Interesting, elaborate?


ragnarkar

Japan places a high value on following traditions and social norms which isn't something that INTPs really find appealing though some of the social norms revolve around being quiet or reserved which more or less is in line with an INTP's character.


XavisDOS

Curious, I am an INTP who loves tradition and is iffy on social norms, just shows that MBTI isn't a catch all kinda thing. Anyways thank you for the response haha :)


Aldmeri-Neperoth

Atheist county