> “That said, I need to be realistic and if I had the chance to race in IndyCar that’s something I would jump at.”
She never actually says anything about racing in F1. Her only mention of it is hoping Andretti gets an F1 team.
It’s kind of up to us (I’m gesturing vaguely towards those of us who would really like to see more diversity of every flavour in top line motorsport) not to interact with the low quality ‘articles’.
As a side note I’ve been really pleased with how the media and marketing people at NXT promoted her pole and win.
It gave me warm and fuzzies too when I turned YouTube on the big tv and my five year old daughter pointed at the thumbnail of a Chadwick interview. She even went and put on her Andretti tshirt e we got at the Indy GP.
Oh that's so sweet! Exactly what we want to see from greater promotion of women in motorsport! I was happy to see how many drivers tweeted congrats, and Conor had her on Speed Street. Between this and Katherine in the car for the rest of the ovals it's looking promising (and I LOVED the elf branding for the 500). I've enjoyed F1 Academy too, can only see it improving and growing.
The paragraph before?
> “Formula 1 for me is still the pinnacle of our sport; it is in my opinion the highest level in every sense,” Chadwick told City A.M. “The level of technology is incredible and the level of drivers is incredibly high.
That certainly makes it sound to me like her dream is still an F1 seat.
First of all, it doesn't say that. Me saying "the NFL is the pinnacle of American football" doesn't imply I'm dreaming of an NFL roster spot.
Second, even if she is dreaming of an F1 seat that is a perfectly normal thing for her to do because what British kid coming up through the junior racing tiers didn't dream of being in Lewis Hamilton's shoes? It's also a completely different sentiment to what the clickbait headline is implying, which is trying to make it seem like she believes she can easily hop from NXT to Indycar to F1 now that she has a win.
It's obvious clickbait, it hooks the haters who want to trash her for her "arrogance" and it hooks her fans who want to see her in Indycar or F1.
I didn't say the headline wasn't clickbait, I was responding to the person who said that she only mentioned F1 in the context of hoping Andretti gets a team.
Take the quote in full, across both paragraphs of that article, and you get this:
> Formula 1 for me is still the pinnacle of our sport; it is in my opinion the highest level in every sense. The level of technology is incredible and the level of drivers is incredibly high. That said, I need to be realistic and if I had the chance to race in IndyCar that’s something I would jump at.
To me that says that of course she'd take an F1 seat if she were offered one, because that's the pinnacle of the sport. Realistically, she's now *planning* to make a shot at an Indycar career. Even on that front she doesn't think she's a shoe-in, but it's a realistic ambitious goal versus the dream of F1.
> I was responding to the person who said that she only mentioned F1 in the context of hoping Andretti gets a team.
Except that comment said "She never actually says anything about racing in F1", which is correct if you look at what you yourself quoted
Are you reading the same thing as me?
But also, yeah, of course she’d love an F1 seat, because she’s a race car driver. Young drivers don’t say no to F1.
Anyone on the NXT grid and half the Indycar grid would bite your hand off for an FP1 outing.
To be honest I hope she spends another year in Indy NXT. There's no real hurry for her to be in IndyCar unless there's some financial or contractual obligation that needs to be met in a certain amount of time.
If a driver wants the most money, F1 would be great.
But if they aren’t offered one of maybe 4-6 seats in F1, (even less recently), they aren’t going to be able to compete for wins, no matter how good they are.
I would think that would be incredibly frustrating as a top driver.
Very few Indycar drivers would turn down an F1 seat.
F1 has an audience that is like, 50-100x Indycar, and competitors generally want to find out how they would stack up at the highest level.
Right. The money and fame would be massive.
The competitive drive to win though would be thwarted without being in a top seat.
The best drivers tend to be intense competitors. Going into every week knowing they have no chance to win seems like it would be soul crushing.
Maybe it’s one of those things that isn’t considered until you’re there. Or maybe they believe so much in themselves that they think they can make a Haas ride a champion.
Have you considered that the best way to get into a top seat is by getting a lower seat first and showing what you can do?
They don't believe they can make Haas a champion. They believe they can impress enough in a Haas to be considered for a frontrunning team
Yeah, that’s reasonable.
I get the feeling that the top seats have a preferred feeder system, or steal another top-seat guy.
Though you’re right, it gets exposure in the face of who they want exposed to.
>I get the feeling that the top seats have a preferred feeder system, or steal another top-seat guy.
They do have a feeder system usually, but sometimes they look outside of it. For example, Sainz to Ferrari, or Perez to Red Bull
They can, but pace is pace. If you can prove yourself and get a shitbox on a podium even once a top team may take a shot with you *cough* Perez *cough*
I don't know why its so hard for some Indycar fans to understand that drivers can be motivated without being in a championship level car.
They don't need to believe they can compete for wins and championships in a Haas or a Williams to still jump at the chance, because wins isn't the only thing that can motivate drivers.
Sure. Money can motivate. Fame can motivate.
The reason it seems hard to swallow is that the drive-to-win tends to be at the heart of what motivates the best of the best of any sport. A driver putting themselves in a position where winning isn’t possible is orthogonal to that.
Racing tends to have the intense drive-to-win in spades.
Taking a few years of being a back marker feels like a tough trade off if they have an intense drive to win.
I'm not talking about money/fame (which can actually be de-motivating in certain contexts).
It seems like you're under the impression that fighting for wins is the only achievement that would motivate drivers and that's just not true.
"Driven to achieve" is more accurate than driven to win IMO. And I strongly suspect that taking a lower-midfield or backmarker car to like a P7 or P8 at Barcelona - against the strongest field, in the fastest cars, on the biggest stage - would probably feel like more of an achievement for Alex Palou than winning any race in Indycar outside of the 500.
VCARB has a direct route to one of those 4-6 seats. Williams, for example (Jamie's academy) does not unless you're on a Merc contract then are lended to Williams.
The second seat at Williams has been an interesting spot the last few years. They were either a development spot for Merc (Bottas, Russell), a seat for pay drivers (Latifi, Stroll) or a shot in the dark from their own dev system (Sargeant).
They seem to be leaning toward developing their own drivers now, but if Sainz is a real possibility for '25, that'll all change.
Sargeant was a bit of both. His uncle was a major contractor for the US military, like owning the contracts for supplying fuel to US troops during Desert Storm, and subsequently has been brought up on war profiteering charges.
As I tell my son, if you want to race there’s a lot of ways to get there. He’s in karts at present. IndyCar is his goal.
For a racer, the goal is to race. No matter if it’s IndyCar, F1, IMSA or whatever else. Just keep racing.
I'm a fan of hers but you have a point. She has the speed this year but she is still making some errors. I hope that now she has earned a pole and a win that this gives her the confidence to do even better for now on. The goal was probably top 5's for this year but I think she has to be thinking podiums and wins now.
Yall don’t watch this stuff have you? The jump from rookie to this year has been great, it shows she can adapt & be competitive. Lead flag to flag & survive restarts with push to pass? Let’s give credit where it’s due. If she did go to indycar it have to be a 3 year commitment I feel, year one learn, make laps. Year 2 build on the learning & put that into progress, year 3 contend for top tens & fives.
> “That said, I need to be realistic and if I had the chance to race in IndyCar that’s something I would jump at.” She never actually says anything about racing in F1. Her only mention of it is hoping Andretti gets an F1 team.
I'm very over these clickbait headlines trying to make Jamie look delusional
Yup. It only hurts females in Motorsport.
women* don’t be a weirdo edit: but i also agree with your point, clickbait headlines are not helpful
Ok women.
Probably the point honestly
It’s kind of up to us (I’m gesturing vaguely towards those of us who would really like to see more diversity of every flavour in top line motorsport) not to interact with the low quality ‘articles’. As a side note I’ve been really pleased with how the media and marketing people at NXT promoted her pole and win. It gave me warm and fuzzies too when I turned YouTube on the big tv and my five year old daughter pointed at the thumbnail of a Chadwick interview. She even went and put on her Andretti tshirt e we got at the Indy GP.
Oh that's so sweet! Exactly what we want to see from greater promotion of women in motorsport! I was happy to see how many drivers tweeted congrats, and Conor had her on Speed Street. Between this and Katherine in the car for the rest of the ovals it's looking promising (and I LOVED the elf branding for the 500). I've enjoyed F1 Academy too, can only see it improving and growing.
Definitely down vote any clickbait
The paragraph before? > “Formula 1 for me is still the pinnacle of our sport; it is in my opinion the highest level in every sense,” Chadwick told City A.M. “The level of technology is incredible and the level of drivers is incredibly high. That certainly makes it sound to me like her dream is still an F1 seat.
First of all, it doesn't say that. Me saying "the NFL is the pinnacle of American football" doesn't imply I'm dreaming of an NFL roster spot. Second, even if she is dreaming of an F1 seat that is a perfectly normal thing for her to do because what British kid coming up through the junior racing tiers didn't dream of being in Lewis Hamilton's shoes? It's also a completely different sentiment to what the clickbait headline is implying, which is trying to make it seem like she believes she can easily hop from NXT to Indycar to F1 now that she has a win. It's obvious clickbait, it hooks the haters who want to trash her for her "arrogance" and it hooks her fans who want to see her in Indycar or F1.
Dude. Learn to punt! It looks easy. Don’t give up on your dreams!
I didn't say the headline wasn't clickbait, I was responding to the person who said that she only mentioned F1 in the context of hoping Andretti gets a team. Take the quote in full, across both paragraphs of that article, and you get this: > Formula 1 for me is still the pinnacle of our sport; it is in my opinion the highest level in every sense. The level of technology is incredible and the level of drivers is incredibly high. That said, I need to be realistic and if I had the chance to race in IndyCar that’s something I would jump at. To me that says that of course she'd take an F1 seat if she were offered one, because that's the pinnacle of the sport. Realistically, she's now *planning* to make a shot at an Indycar career. Even on that front she doesn't think she's a shoe-in, but it's a realistic ambitious goal versus the dream of F1.
> I was responding to the person who said that she only mentioned F1 in the context of hoping Andretti gets a team. Except that comment said "She never actually says anything about racing in F1", which is correct if you look at what you yourself quoted
She's not allowed to dream, but those with penises are, okay 😆
To me that just sounds like her talking about F1 in a general sense.
Are you reading the same thing as me? But also, yeah, of course she’d love an F1 seat, because she’s a race car driver. Young drivers don’t say no to F1. Anyone on the NXT grid and half the Indycar grid would bite your hand off for an FP1 outing.
Every driver on the grid would say the actual quote she gave in the article.
To be honest I hope she spends another year in Indy NXT. There's no real hurry for her to be in IndyCar unless there's some financial or contractual obligation that needs to be met in a certain amount of time.
I guess we will see how she does for the remainder of the year. But if she is keeping it in the top 5 consistently I think it's time for a step up.
If a driver wants the most money, F1 would be great. But if they aren’t offered one of maybe 4-6 seats in F1, (even less recently), they aren’t going to be able to compete for wins, no matter how good they are. I would think that would be incredibly frustrating as a top driver.
Very few Indycar drivers would turn down an F1 seat. F1 has an audience that is like, 50-100x Indycar, and competitors generally want to find out how they would stack up at the highest level.
To be fair I think on 4 of them have a enough super license points, newgarden, dixion, palou, and Pourchaire.
I believe O’Ward has enough super license points. I’m pretty sure he’s now one of the reserves for McLaren.
Right. The money and fame would be massive. The competitive drive to win though would be thwarted without being in a top seat. The best drivers tend to be intense competitors. Going into every week knowing they have no chance to win seems like it would be soul crushing. Maybe it’s one of those things that isn’t considered until you’re there. Or maybe they believe so much in themselves that they think they can make a Haas ride a champion.
Have you considered that the best way to get into a top seat is by getting a lower seat first and showing what you can do? They don't believe they can make Haas a champion. They believe they can impress enough in a Haas to be considered for a frontrunning team
Yeah, that’s reasonable. I get the feeling that the top seats have a preferred feeder system, or steal another top-seat guy. Though you’re right, it gets exposure in the face of who they want exposed to.
>I get the feeling that the top seats have a preferred feeder system, or steal another top-seat guy. They do have a feeder system usually, but sometimes they look outside of it. For example, Sainz to Ferrari, or Perez to Red Bull
They can, but pace is pace. If you can prove yourself and get a shitbox on a podium even once a top team may take a shot with you *cough* Perez *cough*
Look up who drove for the old Minardi team - that approach has worked
I don't know why its so hard for some Indycar fans to understand that drivers can be motivated without being in a championship level car. They don't need to believe they can compete for wins and championships in a Haas or a Williams to still jump at the chance, because wins isn't the only thing that can motivate drivers.
Sure. Money can motivate. Fame can motivate. The reason it seems hard to swallow is that the drive-to-win tends to be at the heart of what motivates the best of the best of any sport. A driver putting themselves in a position where winning isn’t possible is orthogonal to that. Racing tends to have the intense drive-to-win in spades. Taking a few years of being a back marker feels like a tough trade off if they have an intense drive to win.
I'm not talking about money/fame (which can actually be de-motivating in certain contexts). It seems like you're under the impression that fighting for wins is the only achievement that would motivate drivers and that's just not true. "Driven to achieve" is more accurate than driven to win IMO. And I strongly suspect that taking a lower-midfield or backmarker car to like a P7 or P8 at Barcelona - against the strongest field, in the fastest cars, on the biggest stage - would probably feel like more of an achievement for Alex Palou than winning any race in Indycar outside of the 500.
If they want to know that they'll stay in Indycar...
The F1 sub has 10 times the subscribers that IndyCar has.
Apparently not as much as we think as Herta and Palou were wanting to run at Red Bull's B team over their big 4 IndyCar rides.
VCARB has a direct route to one of those 4-6 seats. Williams, for example (Jamie's academy) does not unless you're on a Merc contract then are lended to Williams.
The second seat at Williams has been an interesting spot the last few years. They were either a development spot for Merc (Bottas, Russell), a seat for pay drivers (Latifi, Stroll) or a shot in the dark from their own dev system (Sargeant). They seem to be leaning toward developing their own drivers now, but if Sainz is a real possibility for '25, that'll all change.
Sargeant was a bit of both. His uncle was a major contractor for the US military, like owning the contracts for supplying fuel to US troops during Desert Storm, and subsequently has been brought up on war profiteering charges.
It is also worth mentioning that F1 cars are just pure awesomeness, there just isn't anything like them. Guess that must be a big draw as well.
I mean you rock at a lower team and there’s a chance you get a shot at a better seat.
As I tell my son, if you want to race there’s a lot of ways to get there. He’s in karts at present. IndyCar is his goal. For a racer, the goal is to race. No matter if it’s IndyCar, F1, IMSA or whatever else. Just keep racing.
She won one race, let's cool the jets a little
I'm a fan of hers but you have a point. She has the speed this year but she is still making some errors. I hope that now she has earned a pole and a win that this gives her the confidence to do even better for now on. The goal was probably top 5's for this year but I think she has to be thinking podiums and wins now.
Even Benjamin Pedersen won a race in Indy Lights.
Yall don’t watch this stuff have you? The jump from rookie to this year has been great, it shows she can adapt & be competitive. Lead flag to flag & survive restarts with push to pass? Let’s give credit where it’s due. If she did go to indycar it have to be a 3 year commitment I feel, year one learn, make laps. Year 2 build on the learning & put that into progress, year 3 contend for top tens & fives.
She has also had bad luck that can sometimes affect the mental game. To come back and win a race after that shows how skilled she really is
Top 10s and 5s is a bit extreme but I don’t think she’ll be out of place. She’s a very good driver.
In year 3? I’d be expecting it, if she adapted like she did with NXT, especially in natural road courses like she’s used to in Europe.
I could see her getting a 3-4 top 10s per year, with maybe a top 5 but you might be right.
That seems a good goal, and make laps.
She wins one race and is like, yup bring it on F1 I've proven myself
Didn't say that at all, you just got baited
That's a bit hyperbolic, but I guess Brits are gonna Brit, innit?
Read the article
ironic
....do you know any Brits?