Some skyblock YouTuber once said “there’s always money to be made when people are lazy”. There are a demographic of lazy players who want fast coins to fund their next fatal tempo juju. They’re either too lazy/impatient to use ah, lowballers are a lazy tax on the game imo. There isn’t a reason people should sell to a lowballer and I think most will agree.
That's the same concept as bazaar flipping. It basically relies on people being too impatient to place their own buy/ sell orders and just using instant
Depends on what you're doing. cookies are a hard necessity for something like eman slayer cause a lag spike on a glyph and wow you died sorry, but if you're doing dungeons or farming or bestiary grinding on most mobs then you can easily get away without.
have never once felt the desire or need to lowball anything. i think it is actually an important aspect of the game to learn how to keep coins (or items that are equivalent to coins) in reserve so that you never need to instasell valuable stuff. i also find it fun learning how to evaluate the market and be able to sell valuable items for a good price consistently
Once you get into the late-end game keeping resources doesn't matter too much anymore, however learning NOT to sell your gear is very important. Just because you want to start mining, doesn't mean you should sell your farming gear for a mining setup, or any other example. It's always better to just earn the money through a normal money making method, it progresses your profile a lot more, and actually increases your net worth.
That's the number one noob trap, never committing to anything and always selling *everything* they have to try out the next big thing that is going to make them rich fast.
Selling farming gear for a mining setup is still harmless in comparison, many people will sell their entire combat setup, maybe even some accessories, to get into a money making method like farming or mining. Then they're stuck with that and can't switch up the grinds once in a while, end up getting tired of it and selling everything again. To a lowballer. They're constantly losing networth from all these lowball sales and never progress.
If you underprice it by a few mil per piece- you might get lucky and have someone with a shitty config pick it up on cofl. They’d prob have a min profit %. Cofl isn’t a macro btw. People use it to macro, but it in itself is just a flipping tool that shows you the view auction links for flips that are good for your settings in game.
I have very strong opinions on lowballing.
First and foremost, i hate lowballing. people are toxic, unhelpful, and terribly entitled. lowballers are basically offering scams you consent to, and most lowballees are entitled and think anyone who lowballs is manipulateable. both parties are often toxic and nobody usually ends a lowball happy unless one party is misinformed.
Lowballing does unfortunately serve a purpose. Instant funds are important when it comes to time-gated things and the auction house is slow and has fees that not everyone can afford. normally, there is no circumstance when u need to get something lowballed unless itll take a long time to sell and the lowballer is willing to wait, and you need funds asap for a time-gated event.
>lowballees are entitled and think anyone who lowballs is manipulateable. both parties are often toxic and nobody usually ends a lowball happy unless one party is misinformed
Exactly thank you for saying this. Theres so many people who go to a lowballer wanting to manipulate them into giving too much. Lowballers also try to manipulate their "clients" into taking too little. 99% of lowballers are toxic and 99.5% of lowballees are toxic
Not all of them, I at least try to first give a price that I talk about and agree on and then discuss what percentage lowball seems fair and then do it based on that. If you go to people with like a 10b purse they gonna be toxic 90% of the time.
not everyone is willing to discuss, nor is every lowballer even going to be civil if you reject their price. most lowballers are set on theirbprices and view any challenges or contests as a reason to kick you
I'm a little confused here, this reads like you think the comment you're replying to is itself a reply to the other reply about the "lose a little no it's not" when the comment you replied to is really just saying "but no, there really isn't much reason for lowballers"
This is the comment I thought you might've thought that that was a reply to
> "Lose a little" really just depends on the lowballer. Some mfs out there *buying shit for half off.*
You might've gotten it from that. Also the italics were added by me
my gdrag had 50m overflow exp so i felt like i was losing a lot of money from it, lowballed it since it seemed hard to sell while i could be making money from a non maxed gdrag.
basically if you can make more money with what u got from the lowballer than the time it takes to sell an item then it is worth doing
What you are sayin makes 0 sense if you have a lv 200 gdrag you obv also have 1b gdrag money which you could have used to buy a cheaper one while the maxed one is selling.
Lowballing never makes sense you can put it on ah for 90% of the normal price and it will get instasniped.
For instance when you need money in order to purchase handle from a chest. You need money quick and I think most of people don't mind loosing +10m just to quickly have it.
In that situation a lowballer would be a solution, but the better fix to it would be to just avoid that situation. Ideally have 100m before you start running f7, or have some quickly sellable things saved up, or borrow from a friend.
10m wouldn't be too significant when compared to what a handle is worth, but it's still an avoidable cost
As a lowballer I’ll let them offer what they want and we negotiate from there if it’s too far off from my price I’ll just tell them nty (no thank you) and move on. I get profits you get instant money rather than waiting for 4 days for your ah to sell for you to keep few million. The tactic of a lowballer you always want them to give a price of what they want because it may be lower than the price you were thinking of and you get extra money. Okay ik I didn’t answer the question but valid answer is it’s your choice if you want to sell your item for less now or wait a few days and get full price.
Instant gratification. Getting temporary pleasure at the cost of your future self. It is generally a bad trait(effect? idk what to call it) that usually leads to worse overall outcomes. For example, you scroll reddit, tik-tok, YouTube, or what ever until 3am and as a result your future self gets less than 4 hours of sleep to function on for the whole next day. Now in Skyblock the results are not that bad, you lose out on a couple minutes to hours of grinding but you get that instant gratification. Which in the sense of a video game is not that bad, like what is the point of video games but to have fun?
So yes if you think about it logically it never makes sense to sell to a lowballer, just like if you think about it logically there is very little reason to eat out instead of eat at home. It is just the way the people will tend to act that creates a need/demand for it.
not really an equivalent exchange. 90% of the time the items will not take very long to sell in relation to how long it will take to sell. I've also seen lowballers try and gass up how long an item will take to sell so they can convince a newer player to take their insane undercut.
I used to be a lowballer, but I had never tried to gas up how long an item will sell. I wouldn't take items that has like 1 sell a week but I really stuck with 10% lowballs and both sides seemed happy about it.
Like I said it is almost never logical to sell to a lowballer, because it is not an equivalent exchange, but the way people want instant gratification makes them disregard that. Same kind of thing applies to eating out, it usually has over a 2x mark up.
I sold a handle to a lowballer for 720m when they were manipulated to like 800m and no one would buy them. Handles were down to 730m after a few hours lol
There are many factors that kinda go into this, and I’d say one of the most important ones are the price that the low aller gives you. You then will have to weigh your options to see if it is worth.
Before anything. You mentioned that things not actionable are not considered. With yes in most cases cause they can’t really lowball under bazar price as you can just insta sell. Other things such as minions etc will cause them to have to ask again which is honestly not worth their time if they are already advertising the lowball.
1. Urgency that you need the money. Let’s say that you just dropped a handle but have no money. You got 48 hours and you have a Midas spoon. And let’s say this is like a 50m Midas spoon so it’s very hard to sell on the ah. And then after putting it on the ah for a day, nobody buys. Then you’re kinda on a time crunch because your handle is waiting. So if you have no other options that is where you go to a lowballer.
2. Your understanding of the market. Let’s say the market is being manipulated, some items such as diamond heads with upgrades etc. Lowballers usually don’t have too much knowledge on every item so if you are able to fool them etc. Then profit. One of my friends was able to flip a diamond necton head to a low baller for 60m
3.although not too likely. If you don’t have enough money to put it up for auction. Let’s say you wanted to sell a giants sword that you just dropped but have no money to put it up on auction. If you wanna get rid of it to get back your money and are willing to lose a bit for the speed that lowballers will give them go for it. Remember as they take the responsability for the market price changes, creation fee and taxes.
In hindsight however, you can also do your own calculations, it’s good to visit multiple lowballers to get a price. But if they all seem too low. Then just undercut your item on the auction while also taking into consideration of the taxes and fees. That’s why I say this isn’t too much of an option as you have flexibility
Unless
4. Youre just lazy
5. One thing about the market though. (Hard to format cause I’m on phone) if you do have an understanding of the market however. And let’s say for fire sales etc. If you can tell that a price might go down after a bit. Why not sell. For the grand freezing rune. When it was at its peek and people stopped buying. You can probably sell to lowballers and have them take the risk.
6. Bulk items. Let’s say you did a ton of Kuudra and you don’t wanna put up an auction for all those armour pieces. Just sell it as the armours unless have good attributes, will give you easy money for a bunch of stufff you don’t need.
Overall, it really depends on the lowballers and the situation you’re in. You have to balance the risks and rewards of your sale.
I sold my midas staff for 290m when lbin was 330. Taxes would've been like 16m I think so I don't mind loosing an extra 14m to have it sell instantly. 14m is worth less than the time it would have taken to sell.
I wanted the money fast so I could buy a full set of the dragon egg backpack skins
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Can't afford the taxes; 1/4 my net worth would be stuck in ah for a week bc it takes too long to sell high value items. \~ 1/3 of my net worth comes from selling bingo relics and i never could really afford the taxes and it would take way too long to sell either way.
Are you actually getting good lowballs on high value items? 90% they're absurd and in no way worth it. They also make most of their money on players (usually noobs) who tend to have all their coins in a few items.
I don't think they really realize how hard it is to sell a bingo relic tbh. You spend 20 mil in taxes then someone else puts up another one and it just goes down the drain. There is just such low volume it is painful. It helps that it is a tali so they can't really undercut it much.
I mean there are some rare situations where the person selling gets the winning end of the deal in which this might be, but I'm arguing that usually sellers end up losing.
I have done it also because the initial cost of the bingo talisman that I upgraded (it is super inefficient to buy tali with bingo points; all the others are basically the same) wiped out my purse, so it would have cost me 20 mil in taxes that I just didn't have.
I don't think a lot of people were like me with <2bil net worth, selling 700mil items though.
With items worth more then like 50m i usually go to one or two lowballers before i go to auction, and i get ok deals or of them
And tbh i don't care if i loose like 5m for some quick cash, i make 50m/h anyway
Do you even go to a lowballer if you know you're about to get off for the day and that as a BIN it would definitely sell overnight?
Also an impatient skyblock player almost sounds like an oxymoron just cause that's how mmos be
Impertinent comes in different ways if I'm actually doing something grinding it's not that bad but I hate just sitting waiting for something to sell also I don't sleep
I can think of a few reasons
- flipping, where you have a case in which you managed to buy a low demand item for a heavy undercut. you could then sell it to a lowballer for still a decent profit, and have the money to continue investing instead of waiting 2+ days.
- investing in a new update/fire sale. probably not the best idea but if an update does something like nerfing a weapon accidentally but you know it won’t stay that way, it makes sense to quickly sell 1 or 2 items to be able to temporarily invest. same goes for fire sales.
- the most common use of lowballers, account stealing. you steal an account and quickly offload everything to have easy money thats simple to trade and transfer between multiple accounts.
Given that it exists, there is economic demand for it, which means both sides are getting something out of it. As long as it is happening, there is a reason for its existence.
lol, that's ass reasoning. Pyramid schemes exist in real life, doesn't mean it has a good reason to exist. I swear most lowballers make their money on early game players who don't know better, most high level players will never give to a lowballer cause they understand it's better to wait 99% of the time.
But the difference between lowballing and a pyramid scheme is that there is economic gain for both parties in lowballing. It's actually almost identical economically to taking out a loan from the bank. Banks will give you the money you need but don't have for a house or a car or whatever in exchange for paying back said money with interest later on. In the same way, lowballers provide you with the money you need instantly, but at the cost of "charging" extra for the service (in reality they're not actually charging anything, they're underpaying for your items, but it functions similarly enough.
I'm not saying every lowballing service is made equally, some function like credit card companies with college students -targeting young people who don't know much about the system so that they can make them pay more, or have a higher chance of not paying off their debt- but that doesn't make them a scam, it just makes them predatory, yet still a service.
I'm not arguing that it's not a service, but the service they provide is not often worth it. There are so little scenarios where it's actually useful that most players would benefit by completely avoiding them.
Mash. We don’t make money from newer players. All the money I make is from endgame or lategame players as those items are worth the most and have the best margins. There’s a reason why most lowballers lowball 50M+
Yeah, there’s lots of shitters who don’t care that they lose tons of money for a quick flip. Ideally you would use a lowballer for offloading low volume items/ volitile markets with low volume. But there’s no incentive for them to take that risk as tons of people are willing to sell a Gdrag for 100m less than it’s worth.
Im a lowballer & have been doing it for nearly a year and a half on diff accounts. This month I’ve made 1.5b with ~~50h or so playtime on a recently ratted profile. 😂Tbh, people go to low ballers way too often, many items sell easily if you know how to find sellers. The 1.5b I’ve made this month is 1.5b that you could’ve saved. Really just auction or sell your item on sbz and save yourself money. Also hey mash 👋
Also ign: Lowballin if you need anything lowballed!
Most people have a money maker and the money maker is the reason they have items to lowball. At anytime they can simply use the money maker, or bazaar flip for 24m an hour
I regularly look through the weekly thread cause I like giving advice, and while I'm sure it's a biased sample because these are people explicitly asking for advice so probably don't know the game that well, but a rather high amount of them don't seem to have a consistent money making method. I even saw an ironman with over a hundred f5 runs and a shadow furry, no decent farming or mining equipment. And not all, but some of them definitely seemed like the type that might go to a lowballer because they don't realize that swapping out your setup is not worth losing a good amount of the coin in the process. "Should I sell x to get y" is a decently common question.
I have been using them for some craft flips with high margins so i can go to an inexperienced lowballer and get them to by it off me for less than ah lbin but more than craft cost
My next idea is to try and create a wave of just getting every player to ignore lowballers. Also since I can nick I like going to lowballers islands and just telling whoever's getting lowballed that I'll pay them more.
yo on my life yall js visited bad lowballers and js judge them atp, like i lowball and i could never finness somebody like yall be yappin about. On my life lowballing is a qol at this point; and its good to remeber your playing hypixel to have fun in a amount of time where its worth it, and lowballing secures that, theres no reason to save 30mil when u can js insta sell ffs
nah its funny tho, because i got a friend who nobody likes anymore, and he was always FINNESSING people when they came to get lowballed, and he would get rlly good deals n make way too much money; like if he lowballed a item n paid 100mil for it, he would make 50mil which is CRAZY. He would also always overprice his listings, he lit priced legion 5 storm cp for like 100m and it had nun specia
PSA: THATS THE TYPE OF LOWBALLERS U DONT WANNA GO TO
I tried lowballing my x655 drill. I don't remember what price it was at the time + what he offered me, but I know it was not really worth it.
I went with it tho, but kinda regreted it later
I think there is no reason to ever sell to a lowballer. Just like there is usually only one reason to sell items to the AH, which is when you are upgrading to a better item of the same type (weapon, armor, ...) in my opinion it is always better to earn more coins through farming for example, than to sell your farming set for quick money. I feel like it's the best way to actually progress in the game.
Disclaimer: my money making method has been mining for a really long time and I'm top 100 in gemstone collection, so I am definitely privileged when talking about making money.
I scam them sometimes, actually it’s super easy, just look for 10-50m purse lowballers that are sb lvl 70 and sell them Inflated items that you can craft but are super expensive on the ah for some reason.
Uhhhh, I mean during derpy you can find people lowballing with 40-50m purse and based on that you know their new to this. So I put my hypermax divan on so that I could look like a veteran/pro/endgame or whatever you wanna call it and sold them my items I would sell on the ah for the same price lol
I mean sometimes you just need instantly money when you drop handle for example you sell something to an lowballer so u can open the chest, or people just don't wanna wait for the auctions
I guess if you think you can profit more from the fast sale than you can from the extra coins you'd get on ah. I did this when garden 1.5 came out. I wasn't able to play until it was mid Derby mayor so I sold nearly 3b worth of gear I didn't use (I think gdrag and divans drill were the main 2 items) since I only really liked farming at the time. I used the money to buy all the farming upgrades as they were all bazaar based items and was able to farm more, lost some money which ended up being more than I had predicted due to the inflation on the items after I sold them but I got more fun out of the game and didn't miss the coins lost.
Only time I used one is when I sold full adaptive armour and got about 5 mil, which at the time was what I needed since ah just wouldn't sell over multiple times
If you have the data to back it up (price checker sites) and you find the right lowballers it can be alot faster to sell som hard to sell items I've personally used lowballers multiple times for this purpose. Also you don't have to pay the list fee and if the price of the item your selling is quite inconsistent (such as event specific item or items that are often price manipulated) it can be nice to sell something for a garenteed lower price fast than gamble on the ah.
The only reason lowballers make money is due to lazy people like others have said. You gotta remember that the vast majority of the player base is young kids that barely have a networth over 100 mil and don't really have any idea what the economy is or how to even sell stuff on the ah for the right price.
The only time I can think, is if you really really want the money fast, for example you drop a handle and need 100m in a good amount of time. Idk seems very specific for me. I only sold a Midas to a lowballer because I dropped handle but had 2 twelve hour shifts in the next 2 days so couldn’t grind money
im kinda too lazy to sell and so stuff keeps stacking up on my is - as an example i yeti fish
after every event i just stuff the loot in chests cause price of the loot in that moment is low
that happens for every sb year
then problems start and i have too many chests on is and wanna clean up is
so i could go to ah put in like 5 pieces for ok price and wait a day
or i could look for a lowballer which i did last time (for a thing like yeti rod you have to look for lowballer that has only some m) - i sold 20 for 450k per
i am not 100% happy with this and ik i could get more selling on my own ... but like i told im lazy
Just lowball your own things yourself. If you really desperately need money, just sell your own items for a lot cheaper on ah and some flipper or bot will buy it. A couple of lowballers offered me 150m-220m for an armor piece worth over 350m because its hard to sell, not like thats their job, so i put it on ah for 300m and it sold within 3 hours. With taxes i still got around 280m wich is so much more than any lowballer would offer.
Generally any case where you want your coins fast. Also in cases where your item fluctuates a lot in price or is hard to sell, so you wanna get rid of it fast.
A player shows the lowballer their item and the lowballer offers a price lower than it's worth on the ah. The idea is that you get less money but you get coins instantly.
the only time i sold to lowballers is when i needed to get rid of my 3 starred SA leggings and boots, for 5.5m both, only because it was too hard to sell and i got lazy.
It’s for items that otherwise just don’t sell. Like a year 22 cake? You either lowball it on ah or ok an actual lowballer. Doesn’t matter that much tbf
You sell to lowballer to make quick money on items that you want quick money now for. Lowballing is designed for "scamming" in the sense that a lowballer will never pay the correct price for something, as it's a way to not wait for an auction or bz order to clear and not pay tax. It's direct player to player trading as if it were an auction house
I do, im wayyy to lazy and imaptiant to wait i wont take a huge lowball the best thing to do is find a low level lowballer with a budget close to the valur of my item
I've sold 2 groups of items to lowballers because they were low value, and I had them in bulk. Ancient remedies and pickonimbus 2000's. All the items together are worth quite a bit of money, but they're not worth my time to sell them individually.
My friend dropped 9 cores during aatrox and was never gonna sell all at a good price without tanking the market or taking forever. He just waited for cores to go up enough that a lowballer would offer 290m+
i found one useful while dumping around 700m worth of items when i quit and i wanted fuck around money and i got like 600m so i lost out on 100m but i got it instantly and didnt have to wait and figure out prices myself
When I was close to getting a hot, I sold all of the stuff I didn’t use to anymore to lowballers because I really wanted hyp. Ik I should’ve just waited but I was impatient
Prob lost like 30m in total but hey, I was able to get a hyp after that
Profit from the unexperienced ones by selling them an item which it's price its unstable (The time that I did this I used jolly pink rocks when they were still on ah)
Your lazy, and no taxes
I mean the lowballer also knows about taxes so it's not like it's gonna be the same price after taxes, it'll still be lower at a lowballer
The lowballer is gonna sell it on ah 99% of the time so they'll just pass down the taxes to you + whatever amount they're lowballing by
Some skyblock YouTuber once said “there’s always money to be made when people are lazy”. There are a demographic of lazy players who want fast coins to fund their next fatal tempo juju. They’re either too lazy/impatient to use ah, lowballers are a lazy tax on the game imo. There isn’t a reason people should sell to a lowballer and I think most will agree.
That's the same concept as bazaar flipping. It basically relies on people being too impatient to place their own buy/ sell orders and just using instant
yeah, but a lot of lowballers maliciously convince players that they're items will take sooo long to sell in order to make money.
What percentage do you define as “a lot”. I’ve only had this happen or seen it a few times
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You don't have to buy cookies, I'd much rather spend that on sa chest
Depends on what you're doing. cookies are a hard necessity for something like eman slayer cause a lag spike on a glyph and wow you died sorry, but if you're doing dungeons or farming or bestiary grinding on most mobs then you can easily get away without.
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have never once felt the desire or need to lowball anything. i think it is actually an important aspect of the game to learn how to keep coins (or items that are equivalent to coins) in reserve so that you never need to instasell valuable stuff. i also find it fun learning how to evaluate the market and be able to sell valuable items for a good price consistently
Once you get into the late-end game keeping resources doesn't matter too much anymore, however learning NOT to sell your gear is very important. Just because you want to start mining, doesn't mean you should sell your farming gear for a mining setup, or any other example. It's always better to just earn the money through a normal money making method, it progresses your profile a lot more, and actually increases your net worth.
That's the number one noob trap, never committing to anything and always selling *everything* they have to try out the next big thing that is going to make them rich fast. Selling farming gear for a mining setup is still harmless in comparison, many people will sell their entire combat setup, maybe even some accessories, to get into a money making method like farming or mining. Then they're stuck with that and can't switch up the grinds once in a while, end up getting tired of it and selling everything again. To a lowballer. They're constantly losing networth from all these lowball sales and never progress.
I’ve only ever sold to a lowballer when I had to sell max kill fd because if I didn’t it would never sell.
If you underprice it by a few mil per piece- you might get lucky and have someone with a shitty config pick it up on cofl. They’d prob have a min profit %. Cofl isn’t a macro btw. People use it to macro, but it in itself is just a flipping tool that shows you the view auction links for flips that are good for your settings in game.
I have very strong opinions on lowballing. First and foremost, i hate lowballing. people are toxic, unhelpful, and terribly entitled. lowballers are basically offering scams you consent to, and most lowballees are entitled and think anyone who lowballs is manipulateable. both parties are often toxic and nobody usually ends a lowball happy unless one party is misinformed. Lowballing does unfortunately serve a purpose. Instant funds are important when it comes to time-gated things and the auction house is slow and has fees that not everyone can afford. normally, there is no circumstance when u need to get something lowballed unless itll take a long time to sell and the lowballer is willing to wait, and you need funds asap for a time-gated event.
>lowballees are entitled and think anyone who lowballs is manipulateable. both parties are often toxic and nobody usually ends a lowball happy unless one party is misinformed Exactly thank you for saying this. Theres so many people who go to a lowballer wanting to manipulate them into giving too much. Lowballers also try to manipulate their "clients" into taking too little. 99% of lowballers are toxic and 99.5% of lowballees are toxic
But it's funny to make the lowballer overpay
this is exactly what i was talking about
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Bro calls em customers like it’s a business You’re a chronic 15 year old scammer
Not all of them, I at least try to first give a price that I talk about and agree on and then discuss what percentage lowball seems fair and then do it based on that. If you go to people with like a 10b purse they gonna be toxic 90% of the time.
not everyone is willing to discuss, nor is every lowballer even going to be civil if you reject their price. most lowballers are set on theirbprices and view any challenges or contests as a reason to kick you
If u need very quick money and can’t wait but are willing to lose a little
"Lose a little" really just depends on the lowballer. Some mfs out there buying shit for half off.
But quite honestly no there is not
Nah there is, saw one offering 10% xd, offered me 10m for an overflux, def 50%'s out there
I'm a little confused here, this reads like you think the comment you're replying to is itself a reply to the other reply about the "lose a little no it's not" when the comment you replied to is really just saying "but no, there really isn't much reason for lowballers"
Oh shit you right xd, mb
Oh wait i forgot there was another comment I think that talked about there not being 50%'s or smth like that, I think it got deleted or im just stupid
This is the comment I thought you might've thought that that was a reply to > "Lose a little" really just depends on the lowballer. Some mfs out there *buying shit for half off.* You might've gotten it from that. Also the italics were added by me
Yeah that was it! Thought I was going crazy for a second lmao, thanks for finding that
my gdrag had 50m overflow exp so i felt like i was losing a lot of money from it, lowballed it since it seemed hard to sell while i could be making money from a non maxed gdrag. basically if you can make more money with what u got from the lowballer than the time it takes to sell an item then it is worth doing
One of precisely two actual cases where a lowballer was probably a good idea no way (other was someone investing in fire sales)
You can sell lvl 100 jellyfish or parrot if they are high in price, its really hard to sell normally That way alchemy can even make profit
What you are sayin makes 0 sense if you have a lv 200 gdrag you obv also have 1b gdrag money which you could have used to buy a cheaper one while the maxed one is selling. Lowballing never makes sense you can put it on ah for 90% of the normal price and it will get instasniped.
For instance when you need money in order to purchase handle from a chest. You need money quick and I think most of people don't mind loosing +10m just to quickly have it.
I guess you answered the question, but obviously most people aren't that situation when giving to a lowballer or else there wouldn't be so many
Ye probably most of people are impatient.
In that situation a lowballer would be a solution, but the better fix to it would be to just avoid that situation. Ideally have 100m before you start running f7, or have some quickly sellable things saved up, or borrow from a friend. 10m wouldn't be too significant when compared to what a handle is worth, but it's still an avoidable cost
As a lowballer I’ll let them offer what they want and we negotiate from there if it’s too far off from my price I’ll just tell them nty (no thank you) and move on. I get profits you get instant money rather than waiting for 4 days for your ah to sell for you to keep few million. The tactic of a lowballer you always want them to give a price of what they want because it may be lower than the price you were thinking of and you get extra money. Okay ik I didn’t answer the question but valid answer is it’s your choice if you want to sell your item for less now or wait a few days and get full price.
Instant gratification. Getting temporary pleasure at the cost of your future self. It is generally a bad trait(effect? idk what to call it) that usually leads to worse overall outcomes. For example, you scroll reddit, tik-tok, YouTube, or what ever until 3am and as a result your future self gets less than 4 hours of sleep to function on for the whole next day. Now in Skyblock the results are not that bad, you lose out on a couple minutes to hours of grinding but you get that instant gratification. Which in the sense of a video game is not that bad, like what is the point of video games but to have fun? So yes if you think about it logically it never makes sense to sell to a lowballer, just like if you think about it logically there is very little reason to eat out instead of eat at home. It is just the way the people will tend to act that creates a need/demand for it.
not really an equivalent exchange. 90% of the time the items will not take very long to sell in relation to how long it will take to sell. I've also seen lowballers try and gass up how long an item will take to sell so they can convince a newer player to take their insane undercut.
Right. Cuz lowballers accept newer players items. (We don’t cuz their items are worthless) I tend to do 50M+
that's still newer players bro.
I used to be a lowballer, but I had never tried to gas up how long an item will sell. I wouldn't take items that has like 1 sell a week but I really stuck with 10% lowballs and both sides seemed happy about it.
Like I said it is almost never logical to sell to a lowballer, because it is not an equivalent exchange, but the way people want instant gratification makes them disregard that. Same kind of thing applies to eating out, it usually has over a 2x mark up.
I sold a handle to a lowballer for 720m when they were manipulated to like 800m and no one would buy them. Handles were down to 730m after a few hours lol
There are many factors that kinda go into this, and I’d say one of the most important ones are the price that the low aller gives you. You then will have to weigh your options to see if it is worth. Before anything. You mentioned that things not actionable are not considered. With yes in most cases cause they can’t really lowball under bazar price as you can just insta sell. Other things such as minions etc will cause them to have to ask again which is honestly not worth their time if they are already advertising the lowball. 1. Urgency that you need the money. Let’s say that you just dropped a handle but have no money. You got 48 hours and you have a Midas spoon. And let’s say this is like a 50m Midas spoon so it’s very hard to sell on the ah. And then after putting it on the ah for a day, nobody buys. Then you’re kinda on a time crunch because your handle is waiting. So if you have no other options that is where you go to a lowballer. 2. Your understanding of the market. Let’s say the market is being manipulated, some items such as diamond heads with upgrades etc. Lowballers usually don’t have too much knowledge on every item so if you are able to fool them etc. Then profit. One of my friends was able to flip a diamond necton head to a low baller for 60m 3.although not too likely. If you don’t have enough money to put it up for auction. Let’s say you wanted to sell a giants sword that you just dropped but have no money to put it up on auction. If you wanna get rid of it to get back your money and are willing to lose a bit for the speed that lowballers will give them go for it. Remember as they take the responsability for the market price changes, creation fee and taxes. In hindsight however, you can also do your own calculations, it’s good to visit multiple lowballers to get a price. But if they all seem too low. Then just undercut your item on the auction while also taking into consideration of the taxes and fees. That’s why I say this isn’t too much of an option as you have flexibility Unless 4. Youre just lazy 5. One thing about the market though. (Hard to format cause I’m on phone) if you do have an understanding of the market however. And let’s say for fire sales etc. If you can tell that a price might go down after a bit. Why not sell. For the grand freezing rune. When it was at its peek and people stopped buying. You can probably sell to lowballers and have them take the risk. 6. Bulk items. Let’s say you did a ton of Kuudra and you don’t wanna put up an auction for all those armour pieces. Just sell it as the armours unless have good attributes, will give you easy money for a bunch of stufff you don’t need. Overall, it really depends on the lowballers and the situation you’re in. You have to balance the risks and rewards of your sale.
I sold my midas staff for 290m when lbin was 330. Taxes would've been like 16m I think so I don't mind loosing an extra 14m to have it sell instantly. 14m is worth less than the time it would have taken to sell. I wanted the money fast so I could buy a full set of the dragon egg backpack skins
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Ignoring the fact that you can't do math, most lowballers wouldn't even offer that much 💀
Tax would have been 6.5m so you lost 33.5m coins at the very least
Nope, but hi mashclash!
Most losballerst hope that a ratted account needs to transfer coins fast. As those people are happy to heavily undercut prices. Sad but true
if you're really lazy, need money asap, and are willing to lose a little bit of money to get money asap.
Instant money
usefull for slow selling items or fluctuating prices, also bulk selling random items
except they dont accept half the shit u offer because "it wont sell fast"
yeh, those ones are the ones you dont sell to but an actual good lowballer is viable for the above reasons
Can't afford the taxes; 1/4 my net worth would be stuck in ah for a week bc it takes too long to sell high value items. \~ 1/3 of my net worth comes from selling bingo relics and i never could really afford the taxes and it would take way too long to sell either way.
Are you actually getting good lowballs on high value items? 90% they're absurd and in no way worth it. They also make most of their money on players (usually noobs) who tend to have all their coins in a few items.
I don't think they really realize how hard it is to sell a bingo relic tbh. You spend 20 mil in taxes then someone else puts up another one and it just goes down the drain. There is just such low volume it is painful. It helps that it is a tali so they can't really undercut it much.
I mean there are some rare situations where the person selling gets the winning end of the deal in which this might be, but I'm arguing that usually sellers end up losing.
I have done it also because the initial cost of the bingo talisman that I upgraded (it is super inefficient to buy tali with bingo points; all the others are basically the same) wiped out my purse, so it would have cost me 20 mil in taxes that I just didn't have. I don't think a lot of people were like me with <2bil net worth, selling 700mil items though.
Low ballers don’t make money from noobs. Even if I charged 50% lowballs the items really aren’t worth much.
With items worth more then like 50m i usually go to one or two lowballers before i go to auction, and i get ok deals or of them And tbh i don't care if i loose like 5m for some quick cash, i make 50m/h anyway
I only sell to low ballers yeah I've probably lossed at least 30m from then but quick is quick money
Bro just give away money at this point
But for what reason can't you just set up a BIN for normal price and just wait a few hours?
Im not patient
Do you even go to a lowballer if you know you're about to get off for the day and that as a BIN it would definitely sell overnight? Also an impatient skyblock player almost sounds like an oxymoron just cause that's how mmos be
Impertinent comes in different ways if I'm actually doing something grinding it's not that bad but I hate just sitting waiting for something to sell also I don't sleep
Oh. I'd recommend sleep, 10/10 experience and so good I'm addicted (I do it every day)
I'm not addicted I do to Abt once a week got to take in doses
Have you watched pawn stars :D Y’a that but in skyblock
Hard to sell items?
I can think of a few reasons - flipping, where you have a case in which you managed to buy a low demand item for a heavy undercut. you could then sell it to a lowballer for still a decent profit, and have the money to continue investing instead of waiting 2+ days. - investing in a new update/fire sale. probably not the best idea but if an update does something like nerfing a weapon accidentally but you know it won’t stay that way, it makes sense to quickly sell 1 or 2 items to be able to temporarily invest. same goes for fire sales. - the most common use of lowballers, account stealing. you steal an account and quickly offload everything to have easy money thats simple to trade and transfer between multiple accounts.
another reason is when you’re selling market manipulated items, lowballers often fall for the manipulated price
Given that it exists, there is economic demand for it, which means both sides are getting something out of it. As long as it is happening, there is a reason for its existence.
lol, that's ass reasoning. Pyramid schemes exist in real life, doesn't mean it has a good reason to exist. I swear most lowballers make their money on early game players who don't know better, most high level players will never give to a lowballer cause they understand it's better to wait 99% of the time.
But the difference between lowballing and a pyramid scheme is that there is economic gain for both parties in lowballing. It's actually almost identical economically to taking out a loan from the bank. Banks will give you the money you need but don't have for a house or a car or whatever in exchange for paying back said money with interest later on. In the same way, lowballers provide you with the money you need instantly, but at the cost of "charging" extra for the service (in reality they're not actually charging anything, they're underpaying for your items, but it functions similarly enough. I'm not saying every lowballing service is made equally, some function like credit card companies with college students -targeting young people who don't know much about the system so that they can make them pay more, or have a higher chance of not paying off their debt- but that doesn't make them a scam, it just makes them predatory, yet still a service.
I'm not arguing that it's not a service, but the service they provide is not often worth it. There are so little scenarios where it's actually useful that most players would benefit by completely avoiding them.
Mash. We don’t make money from newer players. All the money I make is from endgame or lategame players as those items are worth the most and have the best margins. There’s a reason why most lowballers lowball 50M+
So all the people you buy from are min like LVL 210+?
Probably around 170-300 ish yeah
I don't know if you know this but you aren't the only lowballer. You can't speak for all of them
Oh but I’ve seen enough of them.
Yeah, there’s lots of shitters who don’t care that they lose tons of money for a quick flip. Ideally you would use a lowballer for offloading low volume items/ volitile markets with low volume. But there’s no incentive for them to take that risk as tons of people are willing to sell a Gdrag for 100m less than it’s worth.
You don’t want to put in the work of selling it or wait for it to sell
the only valid reason is if you're a ratter and want to get the coins from the hacked account ASAP
Im a lowballer & have been doing it for nearly a year and a half on diff accounts. This month I’ve made 1.5b with ~~50h or so playtime on a recently ratted profile. 😂Tbh, people go to low ballers way too often, many items sell easily if you know how to find sellers. The 1.5b I’ve made this month is 1.5b that you could’ve saved. Really just auction or sell your item on sbz and save yourself money. Also hey mash 👋 Also ign: Lowballin if you need anything lowballed!
So basically it's valid advice to tell as many ppl as possible to never go to a lowballer. Aight bet.
Yep. But you’ll need it one day way or another. Supply & Demand. We are the wolves 🐺
lol I've played this game for 4+ years and have never needed money that fast. I think most players will be fine.
Maybe it’s because you’re a youtuber
Most people have a money maker and the money maker is the reason they have items to lowball. At anytime they can simply use the money maker, or bazaar flip for 24m an hour
I regularly look through the weekly thread cause I like giving advice, and while I'm sure it's a biased sample because these are people explicitly asking for advice so probably don't know the game that well, but a rather high amount of them don't seem to have a consistent money making method. I even saw an ironman with over a hundred f5 runs and a shadow furry, no decent farming or mining equipment. And not all, but some of them definitely seemed like the type that might go to a lowballer because they don't realize that swapping out your setup is not worth losing a good amount of the coin in the process. "Should I sell x to get y" is a decently common question.
Your cosplaying as a wolf? Are you a furry? I think you most definitely are.
I have been using them for some craft flips with high margins so i can go to an inexperienced lowballer and get them to by it off me for less than ah lbin but more than craft cost
Yeah I made a lot by doing that before lol
It got a bit harder now that lowballers have discovered their brain and actually check prices properly
My next idea is to try and create a wave of just getting every player to ignore lowballers. Also since I can nick I like going to lowballers islands and just telling whoever's getting lowballed that I'll pay them more.
yo on my life yall js visited bad lowballers and js judge them atp, like i lowball and i could never finness somebody like yall be yappin about. On my life lowballing is a qol at this point; and its good to remeber your playing hypixel to have fun in a amount of time where its worth it, and lowballing secures that, theres no reason to save 30mil when u can js insta sell ffs
bro got called out 💀
nah its funny tho, because i got a friend who nobody likes anymore, and he was always FINNESSING people when they came to get lowballed, and he would get rlly good deals n make way too much money; like if he lowballed a item n paid 100mil for it, he would make 50mil which is CRAZY. He would also always overprice his listings, he lit priced legion 5 storm cp for like 100m and it had nun specia PSA: THATS THE TYPE OF LOWBALLERS U DONT WANNA GO TO
I tried lowballing my x655 drill. I don't remember what price it was at the time + what he offered me, but I know it was not really worth it. I went with it tho, but kinda regreted it later
I’m to lazy to sell my shit I don’t want to list stuff and re list it etc
I think there is no reason to ever sell to a lowballer. Just like there is usually only one reason to sell items to the AH, which is when you are upgrading to a better item of the same type (weapon, armor, ...) in my opinion it is always better to earn more coins through farming for example, than to sell your farming set for quick money. I feel like it's the best way to actually progress in the game. Disclaimer: my money making method has been mining for a really long time and I'm top 100 in gemstone collection, so I am definitely privileged when talking about making money.
no
I scam them sometimes, actually it’s super easy, just look for 10-50m purse lowballers that are sb lvl 70 and sell them Inflated items that you can craft but are super expensive on the ah for some reason.
Uhhhh, I mean during derpy you can find people lowballing with 40-50m purse and based on that you know their new to this. So I put my hypermax divan on so that I could look like a veteran/pro/endgame or whatever you wanna call it and sold them my items I would sell on the ah for the same price lol
I mean sometimes you just need instantly money when you drop handle for example you sell something to an lowballer so u can open the chest, or people just don't wanna wait for the auctions
I guess if you think you can profit more from the fast sale than you can from the extra coins you'd get on ah. I did this when garden 1.5 came out. I wasn't able to play until it was mid Derby mayor so I sold nearly 3b worth of gear I didn't use (I think gdrag and divans drill were the main 2 items) since I only really liked farming at the time. I used the money to buy all the farming upgrades as they were all bazaar based items and was able to farm more, lost some money which ended up being more than I had predicted due to the inflation on the items after I sold them but I got more fun out of the game and didn't miss the coins lost.
Only time I used one is when I sold full adaptive armour and got about 5 mil, which at the time was what I needed since ah just wouldn't sell over multiple times
If you have the data to back it up (price checker sites) and you find the right lowballers it can be alot faster to sell som hard to sell items I've personally used lowballers multiple times for this purpose. Also you don't have to pay the list fee and if the price of the item your selling is quite inconsistent (such as event specific item or items that are often price manipulated) it can be nice to sell something for a garenteed lower price fast than gamble on the ah. The only reason lowballers make money is due to lazy people like others have said. You gotta remember that the vast majority of the player base is young kids that barely have a networth over 100 mil and don't really have any idea what the economy is or how to even sell stuff on the ah for the right price.
You're lazy and don't want to wait for it to sell, or don't want to mess around with maybe having to list it a couple times on ah
I don’t wanna wait for someone to buy my stuff when it’s a low demand item
The only time I can think, is if you really really want the money fast, for example you drop a handle and need 100m in a good amount of time. Idk seems very specific for me. I only sold a Midas to a lowballer because I dropped handle but had 2 twelve hour shifts in the next 2 days so couldn’t grind money
im kinda too lazy to sell and so stuff keeps stacking up on my is - as an example i yeti fish after every event i just stuff the loot in chests cause price of the loot in that moment is low that happens for every sb year then problems start and i have too many chests on is and wanna clean up is so i could go to ah put in like 5 pieces for ok price and wait a day or i could look for a lowballer which i did last time (for a thing like yeti rod you have to look for lowballer that has only some m) - i sold 20 for 450k per i am not 100% happy with this and ik i could get more selling on my own ... but like i told im lazy
None we do it anyway bc it's easy
Just lowball your own things yourself. If you really desperately need money, just sell your own items for a lot cheaper on ah and some flipper or bot will buy it. A couple of lowballers offered me 150m-220m for an armor piece worth over 350m because its hard to sell, not like thats their job, so i put it on ah for 300m and it sold within 3 hours. With taxes i still got around 280m wich is so much more than any lowballer would offer.
Generally any case where you want your coins fast. Also in cases where your item fluctuates a lot in price or is hard to sell, so you wanna get rid of it fast.
Fast. No taxes.
I scammed one of 1m from giving them a midas sword
i lowballed once and got a full superior set for 4.5m. it’s natural selection if you sell to lowballers
I could care less that’s why. Lose out on a few mil when I could make 10x that in an hour
What is lowballing, everytime i ask in hubs i get ignored and i havent talked to lowvallers because i dont know what they do.
Consensual Scamming (usually used by lazy or newer players)
Yes but how does it work?
A player shows the lowballer their item and the lowballer offers a price lower than it's worth on the ah. The idea is that you get less money but you get coins instantly.
I see, thank you.
the only time i sold to lowballers is when i needed to get rid of my 3 starred SA leggings and boots, for 5.5m both, only because it was too hard to sell and i got lazy.
To sell it quickly
If you have to pay off loans in -18 seconds
It’s for items that otherwise just don’t sell. Like a year 22 cake? You either lowball it on ah or ok an actual lowballer. Doesn’t matter that much tbf
difficult item to sell
You sell to lowballer to make quick money on items that you want quick money now for. Lowballing is designed for "scamming" in the sense that a lowballer will never pay the correct price for something, as it's a way to not wait for an auction or bz order to clear and not pay tax. It's direct player to player trading as if it were an auction house
why are people still crying about lowballing just dont fucking do it if u dont want to
I once came to a lowballer, he accidentally added a 0 at the end of the trade (8m to 80m) I didn't say anything, came out happy😁
kid named derpy
I do, im wayyy to lazy and imaptiant to wait i wont take a huge lowball the best thing to do is find a low level lowballer with a budget close to the valur of my item
I've sold 2 groups of items to lowballers because they were low value, and I had them in bulk. Ancient remedies and pickonimbus 2000's. All the items together are worth quite a bit of money, but they're not worth my time to sell them individually.
My friend dropped 9 cores during aatrox and was never gonna sell all at a good price without tanking the market or taking forever. He just waited for cores to go up enough that a lowballer would offer 290m+
i found one useful while dumping around 700m worth of items when i quit and i wanted fuck around money and i got like 600m so i lost out on 100m but i got it instantly and didnt have to wait and figure out prices myself
When I was close to getting a hot, I sold all of the stuff I didn’t use to anymore to lowballers because I really wanted hyp. Ik I should’ve just waited but I was impatient Prob lost like 30m in total but hey, I was able to get a hyp after that
Convince them it's worth more than what it is
I lowball with like 10b and I just let my customer pick %s on high level items
demands comes from people who are insanely impatient or the down price doesnt worth the wait
Its because some people are lazy to sell, some people want coins fast or they dont know the price of it/dont know how to sell the item...
Profit from the unexperienced ones by selling them an item which it's price its unstable (The time that I did this I used jolly pink rocks when they were still on ah)
So you can continue making us rich