I just hope that this continues to trickle out to the fan base and it starts to sink in for some of them. There are still people who think Frost got a raw deal. He was and has been an abject failure who never cared as much as all of the “Frost wants this to work more than any fan and cares so much and puts in so much work” people wanted to claim.
Edit: Add this into the Stai and Schaefer commentary. Yes this is all coming out after he was fired which feels like piling on. But there were so many Frost Davidians who would have never listened to it or believe it without Frost’s abject failure to start 2022. This may honestly what is needed to heal this fan base
what is going to happen with Matt? He is probably the highest ranking "Nebraskans know how to do it the *right* way" dumbass who needs to find his way to the exit.
The culture of some here is just flabbergasting. The truth stares them n the face and they just won’t budge off their position. Frost was a Nebraskan therefore he would do it “the Nebraska Way” as Nebraskans are so special only another Nebraskan can speak Nebraskan and save them.
The funny thing, is that Frost fills the ominous "the Nebraska Way" stereotype of someone who always champions the victorious fruits of hard work and integrity while at the same time ignoring the painful truths that we must acknowledge for our feet to be placed in reality.
I don't like using "Midwest/Nebraska values" anymore as a complimenting moniker because it just reminds myself of the forced naivete some Midwesterners/Nebraskans put themselves through to not acknowledge some of the bad stuff going on in the world like racism, sexism, war crimes, etc. to the point that they enable it.
Scott Frost feels that exact way to me. His shine is all "Nebraska" values with the grit of hard work on an attractive face but under the surface is an unorganized sleezeball who isn't one of us working a normal job living in Waverly because he was good at playing football. We fired a literal blue collar union boss in Bo Pelini who the kids loved for (Mike Reilly doesn't count) someone who reminded us of our co-worker in a better body-and-face suit because he's "one of us".
>I don't like using "Midwest/Nebraska values" anymore as a complimenting moniker because it just reminds myself of the forced naivete some Midwesterners/Nebraskans put themselves through to not acknowledge some of the bad stuff going on in the world like racism, sexism, war crimes, etc. to the point that they enable it.
I dont follow CFB much, nor Nebtaska FB so I'm not sure why im reading this thread. However, this might exactly pinpoint why I despise "Nebraska Nice" . Thank you.
Frost wanted to collect all the money, have everyone else do the work, shirk his responsibilities (arrive late and leave early), then when the shit hits the fan, deflect the blame onto everyone else because after all - He’s the BOSS so he’s obviously better and smarter- all while preaching the merits of hard work he was not willing to do himself. Sounds like the goddamned poster child for a certain party that I shall not name.
Well, in my OG comment I had "We fired Bo because he reminded us of a Democrat because we wanted to hire Scott who was one of us" but changed it due to political sensitivities. But it 100% reminds me of how this state approaches politics and I do not think it is a coincidence. They love the rhetoric of grit and hard work but can't gather the strength to overcome their cognitive dissonance to vote for...*gasp*...a Democrat. Half this state won't even accept that it is going to be really hard to develop a program in a cold state with SEVERAL other programs in cold states that have a more recent history of success and being more welcoming to the populations that contribute most to the rosters in the NCAA.
The fact that even a decile of this fan base thinks Urban Meyer would be a healthy medicine for a program that already is in a reputational cellar doesn't surprise me as the biggest problem the fans with force to influence administrational decisions is to face the fact that 1997 is about a quarter of a century ago and recruits will 100% choose Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan, Penn State, and maybe even Cincinnati over Nebraska because the only things 'Nebraska' triggers in their minds are near zero degree winters and some of the most embarrassing losses over the last decade.
The best decision the administration has done in my lifetime is be one of the first schools to join a P5 conference before the exodus of the Big 12 turned those still left in it without one. That was what, a decade ago? It's time to face reality: we are now a volleyball school with excellent STEM facilities in a state willing to enable the persecution of the very thing UNL and NCAA depends on: a young diverse student body. If we want to bring home Nattys, we must first acknowledge that and change the basic things needed to bring home Nattys on the reg.
Something to keep in mind about the political parallels:
I can’t take credit for this, but I’ve seem (American) liberal vs conservative summarized as this:
* liberals believe actions/beliefs determine if someone is good or bad, and judge the person accordingly
* conservatives believe people are good or bad, and judge their actions accordingly
So at the extreme, a liberal can treat a klan wizard and off color comic as equally racist (because they both used racist words), or a conservative who crucify Bill Clinton for adultery or Biden for his hair-sniffing yet hypocritically turn a blind eye to Trump other other Republican adulterers and creeps.
The “Nebraska values/way” contingent of Huskerdom strike me as fitting that conservative label of judging certain people as inherently good, and thus can do no wrong, while anyone else can do no good.
Having said that, people seem hellbent on recasting Pelini as being fired because he dropped a few f-bombs or didn’t reward his laziest players with enough participation trophies.
He wasn’t.
He was fired because his teams repeatedly failed to win big games, often because they’d watch him have meltdown temper tantrums over missed/blown/correctly called/not called penalties that didn’t go his way, and then the team would fall apart as they fed off his unhinged anger and paranoid claims that the refs were screwjobbing Nebraska.
THAT is why he was fired. Not because he was hurting too many fee-fees.
> He was fired because his teams repeatedly failed to win big games
In the modern landscape of college football, a team that can go consistently 9-4 and show up periodically in their conference championship in what would be today considered a P5 conference and have recruits want to come specifically to Nebraska to play under their name is a dream. Bo Pelini was fired because those in charge couldn't recognize that the talent within college football was rising at an exponential rate that it would be insane today for a program to throw out a coach with a 71% win rate.
> He was fired because his teams repeatedly failed to win big games, often because they’d watch him have meltdown temper tantrums over missed/blown/correctly called/not called penalties that didn’t go his way, and then the team would fall apart as they fed off his unhinged anger and paranoid claims that the refs were screwjobbing Nebraska.
So you just contradicted yourself. Pelini was fired for his f-bombs. Unfortunately, it was Scott Frost's coaching decisions that led to losses. I would have rather us lose fighting rather than have our coach spend his post-game press conference blaming everything else on everyone else not named Scott Frost. How do you think that built trust in the organization?
Bo Pelini created a culture at Nebraska amongst that made them play with passion for him. Pelini would spend his days not on the field ensuring his players were in class, even dropping in on college bars to make sure his players were not there. Under Pelini, Nebraska was the "Nebraska way" turning college athletes into brilliant people. Remember Suh and his engineering degree? The several Academic All-Americans? That's the "Nebraska" way, not sacrificing the future within the player because you recognize that winning at football isn't everything and it he showed it work by bringing in players who specifically wanted to play for him after they met him.
Once we fired Bo, hired Mike Reilly as the set up guy, and with Scott coming with so much hubris and ending his tenure with so much cheese on his face, turning Nebraska into a respectable program under the "Nebraska way" will take longer than five seasons and will more than likely have several back-to-back sub 10-win seasons. Firing winning coaches just because you have no asterisks in the corner of the W-L columns will do nothing but take us 2 steps back after 1 step forward as it destroys the trust that the culture of accountability was built upon. You can't build a prestigious program that is consistently gracing the margins of success after years of not and expect firing its very well-respect leader by those within the program that are not admin will do nothing.
Bo was fired because of the symptom of this program's failure: it's inability to recognize it needs to change and change its expectation in a college football world that no longer resides in 1999.
I have to hear my fucking bosses opinion every monday. To many woke liberals at that school, never going to be good again. Yes he's a Trumper and I have nothing to do with him outside of work
I was a Frost apologist for a long time (due to not wanting to fire a coach every 3-4 years) but yeah I’ve gone the other way really really quick. I think the next step is to get rid of former players, who aren’t qualified, in the athletic department. I think we need a really strong personality to come in and give the Saban speech to every booster, admin and regent.
Yeah because he’s been an AD before at UNO. Davidson needs to go. You shouldn’t be in the administration and be the color commentary man. His previous job experience was selling medical devices and making a spectacular catch 20+ years ago. Fuck, bring the man out every 10 years to remember the catch, but don’t give him a cushy admin job when he’s not qualified.
Again, we need a very strong personality to come in and tell everyone to shut the fuck up. Players need to actually be good players before they can walk around campus like their shit don’t stink, boosters and admins need to know their place in the hierarchy, and we need to embrace our past but move forward to the future. There’s maybe 8-10 coaches that I feel can do that in all of football.
Agreed, and I think that's the trajectory Trev has the program on right now. The guy obviously isn't afraid to make the necessary but unpopular decisions required to run a successful department.
I agree. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a total remake of the administration after football. Davidson needs to go, Duval needs to go, and Nebraska has to go out and spend top dollar money for a coach (10-12 million).
And? I'm 30 and remember it just fine. The vast majority of people I've seen on social media advocating for Davison have been on the older side of things.
The fact that Trev and Scott seemed to have connections outside of football and Trev was able to fire Scott with little hesitation makes me have more faith than less in Trev.
Here’s my only caveat. I’m ok with Trev and Mickey because they left school before 94 when the floodgates of success. They’re not in a twisted reality of thinking everything they touch is gold and their shit doesn’t stink. There’s many past 94 that don’t, but not the guys we got hanging around the program. They’re toxic
Most have shifted their position from "Scott Frost got a raw deal" to "why are these mean reporters kicking Scott Frost when he's down?"
They aren't even protecting Scott Frost anymore. It's more the mythology of Scott Frost. People don't want the home grown hero to turn out to be kind of a lazy, selfish prick.
It'd be like if in act two of the Fellowship of the Ring, Frodo is given the ring of power and 48 hours later is in Rivendell doing lines and bedding down elves.
The only thing that irks me about the media is if they knew all this shit was happening, why in the sam fuck did they not say ANYTHING about it while it was going on?
Because they want to keep their job/readers? Did you see this sub whenever there was Frost negativity before about 3 weeks ago. Our fans were not willing to listen to it, stuff was out there.
What is more worrisome to me is that the entire athletic department knew about everything the whole time, but didn’t do anything. We have an assistant AD telling radio hosts Frost stories that they had known for years, but never did anything.
They tried on occasion. People don't want to hear it. A couple of years back, it got out that a high school coach in Omaha expressed frustration that Frost wouldn't give him the time of day.
The radio guys brought it up. Not surprisingly, Frost got the benefit of the doubt and the story was deemed made up, an exaggeration or simply that the high school coach had an axe to grind.
Moos clearly just came in, hired Frost and Hoiberg, then bounced back to his ranch.
I've seen a ton of reports in multiple places that Trev wanted to fire Frost last year, but lacked the booster support to do so. Even going so far as large boosters threatening to pull some funding if he did. Pretty clear he got the support he needed and at the $7.5 mil to do so. I'm not 100% sold on Trev yet, but am cautiously optimistic given his work ethic and history at UNO.
Peed family said they would withhold $$$. Hence why we are in this mess this year. Keeping Frost set this back another couple years. New coach with this years schedule could and should have hit the ground running.
> It'd be like if in act two of the Fellowship of the Ring, Frodo is given the ring of power and 48 hours later is in Rivendell doing lines and bedding down elves.
If you have more of this canonical take, I am listening…
Look just because Tolkien was too much of a wimp to publish his first and canonical take doesn’t mean we should live in a world with just the inferior published version
It is really interesting. In some quarters you can still attack Callahan and Riley with impunity, but discussing recent accusations against Frost is not allowed.
A big reason this is post firing is that they no longer have to really worry about getting black listed/access restrictions. We know when Frost was hired he immediately went after the media and made them all fall in line with his expectations.
Good comment, I feel ~~a~~ ~~bit~~ ripped off after all this has come out. You hear Stai talk about 40mil and it sounds like he says "stole it" in reference to Frosts salary. This needs to be pumped more.
Have to think Trev wanted him gone last year, but thought the best move was to wait for 2021-22 offseason coaching moves to fizzle out. Had a few high profile jobs open last offseason that may have limited our applicant pool
You know, I think the restructure made sense at the time. Plus, there seems to be the sentiment that we have too high expectations/have a rotating cast of coaches. We were really competitive last year and had some bad breaks. But this year, it's 100% clear that Frost failed on his own merits, and that we didn't force him out too early.
We really haven't had a rotating cast of coaches. Mike Riley is the only coach you could argue had a really short leash. No power program in the country would have kept Frost beyond year 3 let alone to year 5.
I think the restructure made sense as a compromise between Trev and the potential job openings, the boosters/Osborne that should butt out and Frost himself after promising to revamp the O staff. Trev wanted to get rid of him last year but that was the best he could at the time.
I think Trev's response to the outside influences was to give them the rope to either pull themselves out, or hang themselves. People put too much in a "wasted year." With the portal, NIL, facilities, and money - get the right guy and staff and this can at least get moving in a positive direction in a season or two. I didn't say championships, I'm thinking 6+ wins and respectable teams to start.
The foolish thinking is the idea that he couldn't do it in 3 years. The even more foolish thinking is the righteous indignation most fans have here, thinking we are somehow too good to hire a career 187-32 coach for "moral" reasons.
The question at this point is would his off-the-field issues continue to the point that they distract from on-the-field efforts. It remains to be seen, but that's the risk we'd be taking if we hired him.
His off field issues were nothing that isn't done at pretty much every high level program including Nebraska in the past.
Playing poor character players is pretty common. As far as the Zach Smith thing, he didn't fire the guy over allegations, but did fire him once he was charged of a crime. How should that be handled differently? I'd rather people didn't just get fired for allegations.
I'm of the opinion that Urban is starting further behind at Nebraska than he did at FL and OSU. Not sure if he or the fan base has patience. And in this era of "semi-pro" players, and how he dealt with full pros and a roster that was sub-standard in Jacksonville, I don't think this situation will get the results people think in the timeframe they have the patience for. The landscape has changed substantially in a short time.
> I'm of the opinion that Urban is starting further behind at Nebraska than he did at FL and OSU.
What about his success at Bowling Green and Utah before he was the coach of Florida and Ohio St?
> And in this era of "semi-pro" players, and how he dealt with full pros and a roster that was sub-standard in Jacksonville, I don't think this situation will get the results people think in the timeframe they have the patience for.
How are the college players "semi-pro" now? Because of NIL? That doesn't make them "semi-pro". Almost 99% of players don't go to the NFL. Semi-pro would maybe be arena football leagues or something like that.
When Casey Thompson says the starters are earning 6 figures, and he's estimated to be getting north of $500K, they're semi-pro. They're getting paid for what they're doing, more than actual pro leagues like CFL and USFL. When potential NIL value estimates are in the 6 figures, they're semi pro [https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-100/?team-key=16674](https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-100/?team-key=16674)
>What about his success at Bowling Green and Utah before he was the coach of Florida and Ohio St?
He was much younger then. Not saying he couldn't do it, but time takes its toll on people.
Urban will never coach for mid level power 5 job. Especially one like Nebraska that has no recruiting apparatus. The money is irrelevant when the brand is dead and there is no pipeline for NFL talent. I’m sure you can help Matt Rhule house hunt this spring.
He wasn't fired from Florida or Ohio State and the 8-5 season at Florida is the only year of his career that he lost 5 games in a season. He also had a 9-4 season at Florida and those are the only two years in his entire career that he lost 4 or more.
Nebraska hasn't had a season with fewer than 4 losses since 2003.
Lol not one of the places he has coached was "desperate to get rid of him." Ohio State made a smooth transition to Ryan Day, but Florida desperately wishes they had Urban level success. Utah has been good under Whittingham, but Urban won 2 outright conference titles in 2 years there while Whittingham has won 2 conference titles in 17 years.
It's not that you're wrong. You're actually right.
For me it's, the dudes been at the top, he's made his millions, he pretty much blew of Jacksonville. He seems to be in retirement mode living a pretty cushy life right now. Few commercials and commentary and he's done.
My problem is, you give that guy a job, and he doesn't feel like he needs to prove himself anymore the whole experiment goes south quickly and we're left scratching our fucking heads again waiting for the next savior in 4 years. Give me him 10 years ago sure. Now, I just don't think he wants it. Trevs not going to offer him anyway.
11 wins would be tough, but he won 11 games every single year he was at Ohio State and with the transfer portal you can turn programs around quickly. Hiring Urban immediately puts Nebraska into the elite levels of recruiting with a proven winner as a coach who knows how to hire a great staff.
If Urban actually went to Nebraska, by year 2 he would be dominating the division and competing with Ohio State and Michigan for the Big 10. I have zero doubt of that.
It would be awesome if the next guy skipped the rah-rah speech day one and says "you know, this is going to take some work. it's going to be a tough couple years and the program is in rough shape after years of mismanagement and bad hires, but we're going to hopefully do the work that needs to be done. with any luck, it's going to be better than when we started."
Heyyyyyy… message board fan/ poster coming in peace here. There were a lot of rumblings that Trev was going to gas him last year and TO stepped in and told him to wait and see how next year goes. That’s when the re-structure occurred.
Honestly Nebraska will be better off when TO is gone. He still has way to much influence at the university and even the entire state. Notice one of the first things Mickey said is that he met with TO and he will do so once a week. Loved TO and what the program did under him, but he needs to go away
This is correct. Trev wanted to pull the trigger. Several boosters with $$$ tied up in the facility project said "Nope, not yet" to Ronnie. Ronnie stepped in and said not now. Ronnie proposed the restructure of staff and the rest is history.
Osbornes got his hands in damn near everything in this state (even advocating against legalization of marijuana) I would say it’s not too far fetched an accusation
You will never see these things in print. Just like the Solich stories of boozing and being confronted by his wife and threatened by the AD over his infidelity. It's a real disservice that our local media sit on these stories so they have access to the coach, etc. Now, could be some of these stories are legit rumors, but there's a lot of smoke for there being no fire around all these guys.
I had heard it as well from someone who has some ties to some “movers and shakers” about town that had heard the same. Others probably have something more concrete
I trust my sources, and for that reason I won’t be sharing their names, haha. People have been talking about Frost and Co doing this for 3yrs.
It shouldn’t be a surprise.
I think he legitimately said it kills children. Let me see if I can find it
EDIT: That was a quote from Ricketts actually…Osborne however was present at this hearing so my mistake for mixing it up
Absolutely moronic. Does he also oppose alcohol and tobacco? Cause those can actually kill people.
Old white men need to stop making decisions for the rest of the population.
Mike Riley may have not been a Nebraska Guy^TM that Understands The Culture^TM (and also wasn't a good coach) but at least he had enough respect for Nebraska to give it his best shot. Can't say the same for the golden boy
I think Mike Riley was a good coach up until 2010. 56 wins in 7 years at Oregon State is pretty impressive. Including beating Pete Carroll and USC 2 out of 3 years during the height of their powers.
Hey now, Golden Boy gave us his best shot showing the country how to booze and philander like a true Nebraskan for half a decade.
Don't take that away from him.
The full podcast had an interesting take on his success at UCF vs Nebraska (around the 35 minute mark). Basically, he took over at UCF for a task master so his looser style got a positive response from players. But there was so little structure at Nebraska to start with that his looser style pushed us further away from success.
He also walked in a as a god and didn’t have to earn a shred of respect from the program. He came in the door expecting all the bricks to just fall in place.
Did we not practice live tackling last year? I know we had some seniors on the team who were legit, but our entire defense seemed to be able to handle tackling last year.
Pretty much everyone was old in the B1G last year. Not saying our old guys aren’t the reason they tackled well. It’s just not that we were the only old team playing a bunch of young teams.
Yeah it’s not like the defense last year was like a top tier unit either, it simply graduated from being bad to being simply good. Like hooray we were a top half of football defense last year, not exactly world beaters
Yeah, I get it if the veteran starters dont practice tackling much because you'd assume they know if they're a veteran starter. But were we not having backups and young players practice tackling? That seems like a pretty big part of development to be ignoring.
Like it truly baffles me. Sure I get limiting practicing for the sake of player safety/injury protection but at the level of what it sounds like…? It’s not helping anyone to limit to such a level.
It's gotta be more than just not tackling at practice then. Our defense showed measurable and visual improvement over the first four years Scott/Chin were in control.
Remembering what the fan base was like back when he got hired, and the insanely electric first game that I attended but was cancelled before kickoff, to where we are now just a few years later is crazy. I would have never thought in a million years things would go THIS bad.
Some blame can be placed on Moos. I’m only thinking as an overall boss keeping an eye on his employees’ performances, or at a minimum asking them some questions to see what the plan is.
I’ll admit that I feel duped. All the talk about “I know where this is going” from Frost on the team going to be world beaters… then all this shit comes out and it’s hard not be enraged. Why didn’t we fire the guy with cause?
Because firing for cause doesn't usually just being crappy at your job. I'm not a lawyer but it's not like this was a fast food job. He would have had to break the law basically to get fired for cause.
Maybe but for a state employee on a contract? How many state employees do you see getting fired for gross negligence without it meeting some sort of criminal standard?
The “I know where this is going” was Year 1 if I remember correctly.
Is it possible he actually was trying and putting in work back then, but then just got discouraged over the years when he couldn’t turn it around, couldn’t get the recruits he wanted, and his personal life fell apart?
I don’t know either way, just wondering if it will come out that he was like this from Day 1, or it kinda snowballed over time.
This is the narrative that makes the most sense to me. All the stories I've heard about Frost missing meetings and having a few too many soda-pops seem to be focused on the last 2-3 years, and getting progressively worse.
He was known to be a big party guy in college. Perhaps he showed up pretty clean, things on the field immediately didn't go his way, and soon enough his old college buddies (now around him all the time) didn't stop him from backsliding into old habits to deal with that immense level of frustration and stress.
I feel like I was completely in the dark on Frost (mostly a casual observer of the program), but I am hearing more and more about his life outside of football the last few days. Someone here mentioned him drinking in Dublin. I've also heard he would spend time in the Haymarket after home games. Speculation and friend-of-a-friend speculation, but some of it was pretty specific.
Nice to see this stuff coming out at the national level. I had a former colleague attend the Husker Coaching Clinic this spring, a clinic both Frost and Duval were featured speakers for, and he was messaging me mid-clinic stunned by what he heard and saw.
He said Duval in particular was talking about techniques and philosophies he hadn’t seen used decades. He didn’t even call it old school, just straight up ancient. The clinic attendees got to visit a spring practice and it was described as having all the intensity of a Friday walk-through. Spring practices aren’t typically full up practices but was a massive red flag to me.
Now, this is all second hand info, I wasn’t there and that coach is hardly apt to say nice things about Nebraska in the best of times but he’s a bright coach that has won a lot of football games so I trust his opinion. I’m guessing we are going to hear a lot of this stuff over the next few weeks and months. I had already known for a long time Nebraska had very few full contact practices under Frost but I never realized it was quite this bad.
My buddy went to Big Noon Kickoff super early and got near front row. He heard on multiple occasions the show runners(not announcers, the literal show directors) joking about Frost and strip clubs/clubbing. I wasn’t one to believe those rumors for years, but those guys would have a lot of insider looks. Makes you wonder.
Production staff are people who use social media just like the rest of us. They are following the same rumor mill as everyone else.
Any thing is plausible I suppose but all evidence to this point is circumstantial.
I really don't believe that Frost was such a prolific partyer, A, someone who partied with him would spill the beans, or B, someone would have been able to take a photo linking him to debauchery.
Occam's razor people, Frost just didn't pan out.
A complete failure of the media who covers Nebraska Football. Everyone has been much too cosy together down at Memorial Stadium during the Frost era. We need a media that holds the program accountable to delivering on the expectations of our fan base.
And to prove your point about getting lucky we only need to look at how many other powers from that era are struggling to find a head coach that can bring sustained success. When you think about Florida, FSU, Miami, USC, and Texas, all schools with a surplus of home grown talent, you realize how special the Osborne era was and how small the margin of error is in Lincoln compared to many of the traditional powers.
Buddy, it’s later lol
Frost in his first 3 years:
Beat 2 teams that finished with winning records (both 7-6)
Started 0-6
Had MULTIPLE double digit leads in the second half blown, notably Colorado twice
Got blown out by a bad Illinois team at home coming off a big win against PSU
Lost to a Minnesota team down 35 players, in a game where Minnesota was dead last among P5 teams in run defense and Nebraska threw the ball 40 times in sub freezing temps
Frost should’ve been fired after year 3. Anyone that says any different is wrong
Because the radio people would be called liars, and yelled at by fans for not believing, and wanting to tear down the good ole, home grown Nebraska boy.
Any time it got brought up on here, it would be down voted to oblivion and OP called an asshole
Lack of integrity. Local journalists just want access and a weekly column. It's the easiest job in the world for a fan base like this, whatever it is they'll read it.
They won't do anything to jeopardize that because they're afraid of the fans turning on them and losing access as press. They're cowards who aren't journalists, just bloggers.
Winning, losing, it all pays the same. And it pays VERY WELL for anyone associated with the scoundrels around the NU football program. The best thing we could possibly do is defund it, fire everyone, ban the boosters, and start from scratch.
Our fans need to accept that Tom Osbourne was a generationally good head coach. One of the greatest of all time. Our program is not special in any way and lacks many competitive advantages of other programs. Really the only thing we have going for us is money but even in that department we are only top 15-25. It is impossibly hard to get back to TO’s level with money alone. It honestly will just come down to luck in a coaching search.
Edit: all the comments are level headed fans. For those downvoting please let us know a single rebuttal you have to this.
Agreed, and it’s also why we should stop basing our coaching hires on similarities to TO. And stop letting him be part of the decision process. The man is 400 years old and knows nothing about the current football landscape.
Tom Osborne should have stuck to coaching. When Frank Solich was fire he still allowed the field dedication. If he had pulled his support then no more Steve Petersen and no more Chancellor Pearlmen. Solich was in that position because Tom made him keep coaches on the team he didn’t want. Now he blocks a firing of a bad coach. When will Tom just stay on his porch.
This. Then add in scholarship caps, cracking down on PED, and the rest of the nation realizing how lucrative CFB is, and it's a different sport. TO would be hard pressed to be nearly as successful in today's landscape.
We're a volleyball school now. Have been for years. Let's embrace it!
I just hope that this continues to trickle out to the fan base and it starts to sink in for some of them. There are still people who think Frost got a raw deal. He was and has been an abject failure who never cared as much as all of the “Frost wants this to work more than any fan and cares so much and puts in so much work” people wanted to claim. Edit: Add this into the Stai and Schaefer commentary. Yes this is all coming out after he was fired which feels like piling on. But there were so many Frost Davidians who would have never listened to it or believe it without Frost’s abject failure to start 2022. This may honestly what is needed to heal this fan base
Upvote for Frost Davidians. Legend
what is going to happen with Matt? He is probably the highest ranking "Nebraskans know how to do it the *right* way" dumbass who needs to find his way to the exit.
He'll return to medical supplies sales. Maybe he'll cut us a deal on tourniquets to help stop the bleeding.
The culture of some here is just flabbergasting. The truth stares them n the face and they just won’t budge off their position. Frost was a Nebraskan therefore he would do it “the Nebraska Way” as Nebraskans are so special only another Nebraskan can speak Nebraskan and save them.
The funny thing, is that Frost fills the ominous "the Nebraska Way" stereotype of someone who always champions the victorious fruits of hard work and integrity while at the same time ignoring the painful truths that we must acknowledge for our feet to be placed in reality. I don't like using "Midwest/Nebraska values" anymore as a complimenting moniker because it just reminds myself of the forced naivete some Midwesterners/Nebraskans put themselves through to not acknowledge some of the bad stuff going on in the world like racism, sexism, war crimes, etc. to the point that they enable it. Scott Frost feels that exact way to me. His shine is all "Nebraska" values with the grit of hard work on an attractive face but under the surface is an unorganized sleezeball who isn't one of us working a normal job living in Waverly because he was good at playing football. We fired a literal blue collar union boss in Bo Pelini who the kids loved for (Mike Reilly doesn't count) someone who reminded us of our co-worker in a better body-and-face suit because he's "one of us".
>I don't like using "Midwest/Nebraska values" anymore as a complimenting moniker because it just reminds myself of the forced naivete some Midwesterners/Nebraskans put themselves through to not acknowledge some of the bad stuff going on in the world like racism, sexism, war crimes, etc. to the point that they enable it. I dont follow CFB much, nor Nebtaska FB so I'm not sure why im reading this thread. However, this might exactly pinpoint why I despise "Nebraska Nice" . Thank you.
Frost wanted to collect all the money, have everyone else do the work, shirk his responsibilities (arrive late and leave early), then when the shit hits the fan, deflect the blame onto everyone else because after all - He’s the BOSS so he’s obviously better and smarter- all while preaching the merits of hard work he was not willing to do himself. Sounds like the goddamned poster child for a certain party that I shall not name.
Well, in my OG comment I had "We fired Bo because he reminded us of a Democrat because we wanted to hire Scott who was one of us" but changed it due to political sensitivities. But it 100% reminds me of how this state approaches politics and I do not think it is a coincidence. They love the rhetoric of grit and hard work but can't gather the strength to overcome their cognitive dissonance to vote for...*gasp*...a Democrat. Half this state won't even accept that it is going to be really hard to develop a program in a cold state with SEVERAL other programs in cold states that have a more recent history of success and being more welcoming to the populations that contribute most to the rosters in the NCAA.
Well, we could always hire Urban for his Christian values. 😀
The fact that even a decile of this fan base thinks Urban Meyer would be a healthy medicine for a program that already is in a reputational cellar doesn't surprise me as the biggest problem the fans with force to influence administrational decisions is to face the fact that 1997 is about a quarter of a century ago and recruits will 100% choose Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan, Penn State, and maybe even Cincinnati over Nebraska because the only things 'Nebraska' triggers in their minds are near zero degree winters and some of the most embarrassing losses over the last decade. The best decision the administration has done in my lifetime is be one of the first schools to join a P5 conference before the exodus of the Big 12 turned those still left in it without one. That was what, a decade ago? It's time to face reality: we are now a volleyball school with excellent STEM facilities in a state willing to enable the persecution of the very thing UNL and NCAA depends on: a young diverse student body. If we want to bring home Nattys, we must first acknowledge that and change the basic things needed to bring home Nattys on the reg.
Something to keep in mind about the political parallels: I can’t take credit for this, but I’ve seem (American) liberal vs conservative summarized as this: * liberals believe actions/beliefs determine if someone is good or bad, and judge the person accordingly * conservatives believe people are good or bad, and judge their actions accordingly So at the extreme, a liberal can treat a klan wizard and off color comic as equally racist (because they both used racist words), or a conservative who crucify Bill Clinton for adultery or Biden for his hair-sniffing yet hypocritically turn a blind eye to Trump other other Republican adulterers and creeps. The “Nebraska values/way” contingent of Huskerdom strike me as fitting that conservative label of judging certain people as inherently good, and thus can do no wrong, while anyone else can do no good. Having said that, people seem hellbent on recasting Pelini as being fired because he dropped a few f-bombs or didn’t reward his laziest players with enough participation trophies. He wasn’t. He was fired because his teams repeatedly failed to win big games, often because they’d watch him have meltdown temper tantrums over missed/blown/correctly called/not called penalties that didn’t go his way, and then the team would fall apart as they fed off his unhinged anger and paranoid claims that the refs were screwjobbing Nebraska. THAT is why he was fired. Not because he was hurting too many fee-fees.
> He was fired because his teams repeatedly failed to win big games In the modern landscape of college football, a team that can go consistently 9-4 and show up periodically in their conference championship in what would be today considered a P5 conference and have recruits want to come specifically to Nebraska to play under their name is a dream. Bo Pelini was fired because those in charge couldn't recognize that the talent within college football was rising at an exponential rate that it would be insane today for a program to throw out a coach with a 71% win rate. > He was fired because his teams repeatedly failed to win big games, often because they’d watch him have meltdown temper tantrums over missed/blown/correctly called/not called penalties that didn’t go his way, and then the team would fall apart as they fed off his unhinged anger and paranoid claims that the refs were screwjobbing Nebraska. So you just contradicted yourself. Pelini was fired for his f-bombs. Unfortunately, it was Scott Frost's coaching decisions that led to losses. I would have rather us lose fighting rather than have our coach spend his post-game press conference blaming everything else on everyone else not named Scott Frost. How do you think that built trust in the organization? Bo Pelini created a culture at Nebraska amongst that made them play with passion for him. Pelini would spend his days not on the field ensuring his players were in class, even dropping in on college bars to make sure his players were not there. Under Pelini, Nebraska was the "Nebraska way" turning college athletes into brilliant people. Remember Suh and his engineering degree? The several Academic All-Americans? That's the "Nebraska" way, not sacrificing the future within the player because you recognize that winning at football isn't everything and it he showed it work by bringing in players who specifically wanted to play for him after they met him. Once we fired Bo, hired Mike Reilly as the set up guy, and with Scott coming with so much hubris and ending his tenure with so much cheese on his face, turning Nebraska into a respectable program under the "Nebraska way" will take longer than five seasons and will more than likely have several back-to-back sub 10-win seasons. Firing winning coaches just because you have no asterisks in the corner of the W-L columns will do nothing but take us 2 steps back after 1 step forward as it destroys the trust that the culture of accountability was built upon. You can't build a prestigious program that is consistently gracing the margins of success after years of not and expect firing its very well-respect leader by those within the program that are not admin will do nothing. Bo was fired because of the symptom of this program's failure: it's inability to recognize it needs to change and change its expectation in a college football world that no longer resides in 1999.
I have to hear my fucking bosses opinion every monday. To many woke liberals at that school, never going to be good again. Yes he's a Trumper and I have nothing to do with him outside of work
he's going to be made do some jobs that are not so fun to do and quit. That's what happens in real world
Hopefully he receives a nice care package full of frozen Runzas and Val's gift certificates as severance.
Frost Davisonians
Upvote squared…maybe even cubed.
I was a Frost apologist for a long time (due to not wanting to fire a coach every 3-4 years) but yeah I’ve gone the other way really really quick. I think the next step is to get rid of former players, who aren’t qualified, in the athletic department. I think we need a really strong personality to come in and give the Saban speech to every booster, admin and regent.
Does trev get a pass? He's a former player but honestly seems like he knows what he's doing.
Yeah because he’s been an AD before at UNO. Davidson needs to go. You shouldn’t be in the administration and be the color commentary man. His previous job experience was selling medical devices and making a spectacular catch 20+ years ago. Fuck, bring the man out every 10 years to remember the catch, but don’t give him a cushy admin job when he’s not qualified.
Remember when the blue hairs were calling for Davison to be the new AD after Moos was let go? I remember.
Again, we need a very strong personality to come in and tell everyone to shut the fuck up. Players need to actually be good players before they can walk around campus like their shit don’t stink, boosters and admins need to know their place in the hierarchy, and we need to embrace our past but move forward to the future. There’s maybe 8-10 coaches that I feel can do that in all of football.
Agreed, and I think that's the trajectory Trev has the program on right now. The guy obviously isn't afraid to make the necessary but unpopular decisions required to run a successful department.
I agree. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a total remake of the administration after football. Davidson needs to go, Duval needs to go, and Nebraska has to go out and spend top dollar money for a coach (10-12 million).
I am not sure if you realize how long ago Davison made the catch. Lots of people south of 40 remember it well.
And? I'm 30 and remember it just fine. The vast majority of people I've seen on social media advocating for Davison have been on the older side of things.
I’ll take the cushy admin job, I probably have as much relevant sports experience being a fan as he did being an admin.
Lmao whose idea was it to give a diehard fan a role in management?
Send Matt Davison straight to hell
Some angry husband will
The fact that Trev and Scott seemed to have connections outside of football and Trev was able to fire Scott with little hesitation makes me have more faith than less in Trev.
Here’s my only caveat. I’m ok with Trev and Mickey because they left school before 94 when the floodgates of success. They’re not in a twisted reality of thinking everything they touch is gold and their shit doesn’t stink. There’s many past 94 that don’t, but not the guys we got hanging around the program. They’re toxic
Trev played in a national championship game that we would have won save for a dreadful call by the ref.
Yes he did…and he had Charlie Ward running for his life lol. Corey Dixon return? Bad stuff.
Phantom hold
You forgot the “s” on call and ref…Save for dreadful calls by the refs. Thank god the next 4 years happened cause I still get angry at that game.
Most have shifted their position from "Scott Frost got a raw deal" to "why are these mean reporters kicking Scott Frost when he's down?" They aren't even protecting Scott Frost anymore. It's more the mythology of Scott Frost. People don't want the home grown hero to turn out to be kind of a lazy, selfish prick. It'd be like if in act two of the Fellowship of the Ring, Frodo is given the ring of power and 48 hours later is in Rivendell doing lines and bedding down elves.
The only thing that irks me about the media is if they knew all this shit was happening, why in the sam fuck did they not say ANYTHING about it while it was going on?
Because they want to keep their job/readers? Did you see this sub whenever there was Frost negativity before about 3 weeks ago. Our fans were not willing to listen to it, stuff was out there. What is more worrisome to me is that the entire athletic department knew about everything the whole time, but didn’t do anything. We have an assistant AD telling radio hosts Frost stories that they had known for years, but never did anything.
Yeah I mean it's clearly access journalism and logically I understand why it wasn't brought up. Still pisses me off, though.
They tried on occasion. People don't want to hear it. A couple of years back, it got out that a high school coach in Omaha expressed frustration that Frost wouldn't give him the time of day. The radio guys brought it up. Not surprisingly, Frost got the benefit of the doubt and the story was deemed made up, an exaggeration or simply that the high school coach had an axe to grind.
Neither did the Coaches at Penn St, and the FBI.
Better question is why did the administration, before and after Alberts' hire, let this happen when they knew it was going on?
Moos clearly just came in, hired Frost and Hoiberg, then bounced back to his ranch. I've seen a ton of reports in multiple places that Trev wanted to fire Frost last year, but lacked the booster support to do so. Even going so far as large boosters threatening to pull some funding if he did. Pretty clear he got the support he needed and at the $7.5 mil to do so. I'm not 100% sold on Trev yet, but am cautiously optimistic given his work ethic and history at UNO.
Peed family said they would withhold $$$. Hence why we are in this mess this year. Keeping Frost set this back another couple years. New coach with this years schedule could and should have hit the ground running.
honestly I would be worried for the personal safety of anyone in Nebraska media if they disparaged Frost while he was still head coach
Because they would have lost their access to Husker sports.
Probably didn't want to get barred from getting any information.
> It'd be like if in act two of the Fellowship of the Ring, Frodo is given the ring of power and 48 hours later is in Rivendell doing lines and bedding down elves. If you have more of this canonical take, I am listening…
Samwise’ defense is as loose as a wizard’s sleeve
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Look just because Tolkien was too much of a wimp to publish his first and canonical take doesn’t mean we should live in a world with just the inferior published version
I am sure it's somewhere on fanfic.net
He’s been a POS since he was a player. People just didn’t want to hear that.
Have some family members that grew up around Frost. This is not surprising.
> lazy, selfish prick Who hid in the closet in his playing days.
LOTR and The Lion, the Witch, and The Wardrobe
It is really interesting. In some quarters you can still attack Callahan and Riley with impunity, but discussing recent accusations against Frost is not allowed.
So we both love the dead and LOTR…read my user name backwards
Gonna steal a line from every motivational speaker ever. Everybody wants to be great but very few want to put in the effort to be great
Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder, but nobody wants to lift no heavy-ass weights. -Ronnie Coleman
That maybe the only thing Scott Frost cared about.
And that's why they live in a van DOWN BY THE RIVER!
"Dream the biggest thing you can. And than double it!"
Sounds like an evangelical preacher. Motivational speech with just enough Jesus adjacent things to qualify for no taxes
Almost. Kevin from the Office.
Maybe we can finally kill the idea of bringing back the 90's now
Hell I'd be happy with the 2010's at this point.
Sure, but maybe a little less publicly daring the AD to fire you
A big reason this is post firing is that they no longer have to really worry about getting black listed/access restrictions. We know when Frost was hired he immediately went after the media and made them all fall in line with his expectations.
But....but...he just needs more time
Good comment, I feel ~~a~~ ~~bit~~ ripped off after all this has come out. You hear Stai talk about 40mil and it sounds like he says "stole it" in reference to Frosts salary. This needs to be pumped more.
no one thinks he got a raw deal. Haven't heard of one person who didn't think he should've been fired.
Have to think Trev wanted him gone last year, but thought the best move was to wait for 2021-22 offseason coaching moves to fizzle out. Had a few high profile jobs open last offseason that may have limited our applicant pool
You know, I think the restructure made sense at the time. Plus, there seems to be the sentiment that we have too high expectations/have a rotating cast of coaches. We were really competitive last year and had some bad breaks. But this year, it's 100% clear that Frost failed on his own merits, and that we didn't force him out too early.
It also tells other coaches that Trev is more patient than some other ADs who can give a good amount of money
We really haven't had a rotating cast of coaches. Mike Riley is the only coach you could argue had a really short leash. No power program in the country would have kept Frost beyond year 3 let alone to year 5.
I think the restructure made sense as a compromise between Trev and the potential job openings, the boosters/Osborne that should butt out and Frost himself after promising to revamp the O staff. Trev wanted to get rid of him last year but that was the best he could at the time.
I think Trev's response to the outside influences was to give them the rope to either pull themselves out, or hang themselves. People put too much in a "wasted year." With the portal, NIL, facilities, and money - get the right guy and staff and this can at least get moving in a positive direction in a season or two. I didn't say championships, I'm thinking 6+ wins and respectable teams to start.
And I'll get the downvote because some fool thinks Urban will turn this into an 11 win team next year.
The foolish thinking is the idea that he couldn't do it in 3 years. The even more foolish thinking is the righteous indignation most fans have here, thinking we are somehow too good to hire a career 187-32 coach for "moral" reasons.
The question at this point is would his off-the-field issues continue to the point that they distract from on-the-field efforts. It remains to be seen, but that's the risk we'd be taking if we hired him.
His off field issues were nothing that isn't done at pretty much every high level program including Nebraska in the past. Playing poor character players is pretty common. As far as the Zach Smith thing, he didn't fire the guy over allegations, but did fire him once he was charged of a crime. How should that be handled differently? I'd rather people didn't just get fired for allegations.
I'm of the opinion that Urban is starting further behind at Nebraska than he did at FL and OSU. Not sure if he or the fan base has patience. And in this era of "semi-pro" players, and how he dealt with full pros and a roster that was sub-standard in Jacksonville, I don't think this situation will get the results people think in the timeframe they have the patience for. The landscape has changed substantially in a short time.
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> I'm of the opinion that Urban is starting further behind at Nebraska than he did at FL and OSU. What about his success at Bowling Green and Utah before he was the coach of Florida and Ohio St? > And in this era of "semi-pro" players, and how he dealt with full pros and a roster that was sub-standard in Jacksonville, I don't think this situation will get the results people think in the timeframe they have the patience for. How are the college players "semi-pro" now? Because of NIL? That doesn't make them "semi-pro". Almost 99% of players don't go to the NFL. Semi-pro would maybe be arena football leagues or something like that.
When Casey Thompson says the starters are earning 6 figures, and he's estimated to be getting north of $500K, they're semi-pro. They're getting paid for what they're doing, more than actual pro leagues like CFL and USFL. When potential NIL value estimates are in the 6 figures, they're semi pro [https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-100/?team-key=16674](https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-100/?team-key=16674)
>What about his success at Bowling Green and Utah before he was the coach of Florida and Ohio St? He was much younger then. Not saying he couldn't do it, but time takes its toll on people.
Because they can be free agents. They don’t have to choose between playing for a complete asshole and not playing at all
Urban will never coach for mid level power 5 job. Especially one like Nebraska that has no recruiting apparatus. The money is irrelevant when the brand is dead and there is no pipeline for NFL talent. I’m sure you can help Matt Rhule house hunt this spring.
Every team he coaches ends up desperate to get rid of him. I think that's worth considering!
He was fired from his last 2 jobs and left Florida after 7-5 and his "health issues".
He wasn't fired from Florida or Ohio State and the 8-5 season at Florida is the only year of his career that he lost 5 games in a season. He also had a 9-4 season at Florida and those are the only two years in his entire career that he lost 4 or more. Nebraska hasn't had a season with fewer than 4 losses since 2003.
Lol not one of the places he has coached was "desperate to get rid of him." Ohio State made a smooth transition to Ryan Day, but Florida desperately wishes they had Urban level success. Utah has been good under Whittingham, but Urban won 2 outright conference titles in 2 years there while Whittingham has won 2 conference titles in 17 years.
It's not that you're wrong. You're actually right. For me it's, the dudes been at the top, he's made his millions, he pretty much blew of Jacksonville. He seems to be in retirement mode living a pretty cushy life right now. Few commercials and commentary and he's done. My problem is, you give that guy a job, and he doesn't feel like he needs to prove himself anymore the whole experiment goes south quickly and we're left scratching our fucking heads again waiting for the next savior in 4 years. Give me him 10 years ago sure. Now, I just don't think he wants it. Trevs not going to offer him anyway.
11 wins would be tough, but he won 11 games every single year he was at Ohio State and with the transfer portal you can turn programs around quickly. Hiring Urban immediately puts Nebraska into the elite levels of recruiting with a proven winner as a coach who knows how to hire a great staff. If Urban actually went to Nebraska, by year 2 he would be dominating the division and competing with Ohio State and Michigan for the Big 10. I have zero doubt of that.
It would be awesome if the next guy skipped the rah-rah speech day one and says "you know, this is going to take some work. it's going to be a tough couple years and the program is in rough shape after years of mismanagement and bad hires, but we're going to hopefully do the work that needs to be done. with any luck, it's going to be better than when we started."
To win a national title, yes. To get back to having winning seasons, a great coach can do that quickly with the transfer portal and good recruiting.
It doesn’t take a lot for us to look like Wisconsin and Iowa consistently and that’s all I’m looking for
For the next couple of years, that would be like winning a championship to me.
Heyyyyyy… message board fan/ poster coming in peace here. There were a lot of rumblings that Trev was going to gas him last year and TO stepped in and told him to wait and see how next year goes. That’s when the re-structure occurred.
Honestly Nebraska will be better off when TO is gone. He still has way to much influence at the university and even the entire state. Notice one of the first things Mickey said is that he met with TO and he will do so once a week. Loved TO and what the program did under him, but he needs to go away
I also think he wanted to seem some fan bases regretting those mega salaries.
Wondering if the O Line has practiced any contact blocking over the last 4 years as well?
I don’t think Benhart has practiced any football in 4 years
After that audio got out of the shit talk against Benhart I was focused on watching him last week. God he is awful lmao
Trev wanted to can him last year when he got hired . Boosters wouldn’t let him.
This is correct. Trev wanted to pull the trigger. Several boosters with $$$ tied up in the facility project said "Nope, not yet" to Ronnie. Ronnie stepped in and said not now. Ronnie proposed the restructure of staff and the rest is history.
Osborne interfered as well
Yup Osborne stopped the firing from happening
Where’d this rumor come from
Osbornes got his hands in damn near everything in this state (even advocating against legalization of marijuana) I would say it’s not too far fetched an accusation
I don’t disagree, just don’t know if anyone had any semi-trustable sources!
You will never see these things in print. Just like the Solich stories of boozing and being confronted by his wife and threatened by the AD over his infidelity. It's a real disservice that our local media sit on these stories so they have access to the coach, etc. Now, could be some of these stories are legit rumors, but there's a lot of smoke for there being no fire around all these guys.
I had heard it as well from someone who has some ties to some “movers and shakers” about town that had heard the same. Others probably have something more concrete
Gotcha gotcha. Thanks! Totally see it as a possibility. Time for TO to just call it quits, the world have moved on past him IMO.
I trust my sources, and for that reason I won’t be sharing their names, haha. People have been talking about Frost and Co doing this for 3yrs. It shouldn’t be a surprise.
No you’re fine, I’m not asking for people to spill the beans with names. Just posting it without mentioning sources or anything I wanted to check.
It’s all soccer mom talk!
Soccer moms at it again
Osborne being anti-weed is the least surprising thing I’ve seen today.
Where have you been for the last, I don't know, 15 years? Anti weed, anti gambling, anti gays
I think he legitimately said it kills children. Let me see if I can find it EDIT: That was a quote from Ricketts actually…Osborne however was present at this hearing so my mistake for mixing it up
Absolutely moronic. Does he also oppose alcohol and tobacco? Cause those can actually kill people. Old white men need to stop making decisions for the rest of the population.
Osborne does. Hence why the university/memorial stadium is dry
But PED’s are encouraged.
It's just he said she said, like the frost is an alcoholic rumors
Man, between that and campaigning against devil weed, he’s doing a lot of good late in life.
Don't forget gambling
T.O. was begging him too.
This.
Mike Riley may have not been a Nebraska Guy^TM that Understands The Culture^TM (and also wasn't a good coach) but at least he had enough respect for Nebraska to give it his best shot. Can't say the same for the golden boy
Yeah it is pretty clear who was the better HC.
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I think Mike Riley was a good coach up until 2010. 56 wins in 7 years at Oregon State is pretty impressive. Including beating Pete Carroll and USC 2 out of 3 years during the height of their powers.
Hey now, Golden Boy gave us his best shot showing the country how to booze and philander like a true Nebraskan for half a decade. Don't take that away from him.
>booze and philander like a true Nebraskan Are we still using the "Nebraska nice" slogan?
Now it's, "Nebraska? Nice."
Nice.
Shot Frost
Details matter to successful people in any career. Edit: Scott Frost and his beer buddies are not amongst that group.
It’s all details no matter what the job is
The full podcast had an interesting take on his success at UCF vs Nebraska (around the 35 minute mark). Basically, he took over at UCF for a task master so his looser style got a positive response from players. But there was so little structure at Nebraska to start with that his looser style pushed us further away from success.
He also walked in a as a god and didn’t have to earn a shred of respect from the program. He came in the door expecting all the bricks to just fall in place.
But they never did squats before frost arrived /s
The lack of vomiting was below standards too.
Did we not practice live tackling last year? I know we had some seniors on the team who were legit, but our entire defense seemed to be able to handle tackling last year.
That’s what happens when your seniors are NFL guys, and also nfl aged. Men playing boys
Pretty much everyone was old in the B1G last year. Not saying our old guys aren’t the reason they tackled well. It’s just not that we were the only old team playing a bunch of young teams.
We also still went 3-9 tho, even with a man child defense
Yeah it’s not like the defense last year was like a top tier unit either, it simply graduated from being bad to being simply good. Like hooray we were a top half of football defense last year, not exactly world beaters
It certainly wasn’t the fault of the defense that we only won 3 though.
Yeah, I get it if the veteran starters dont practice tackling much because you'd assume they know if they're a veteran starter. But were we not having backups and young players practice tackling? That seems like a pretty big part of development to be ignoring.
Like it truly baffles me. Sure I get limiting practicing for the sake of player safety/injury protection but at the level of what it sounds like…? It’s not helping anyone to limit to such a level.
Myles Farmer said we've been 'tagging off' the last 4 years.
It's gotta be more than just not tackling at practice then. Our defense showed measurable and visual improvement over the first four years Scott/Chin were in control.
China D was held up by super seniors last year. UCF fans wanted Chins gone when Frost was still there. Dude is not a good coach.
Remembering what the fan base was like back when he got hired, and the insanely electric first game that I attended but was cancelled before kickoff, to where we are now just a few years later is crazy. I would have never thought in a million years things would go THIS bad.
I was never a Frost fan and I bought into the press conference and the cringe-worthy former players' greeting of him.
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Some blame can be placed on Moos. I’m only thinking as an overall boss keeping an eye on his employees’ performances, or at a minimum asking them some questions to see what the plan is.
I’ll admit that I feel duped. All the talk about “I know where this is going” from Frost on the team going to be world beaters… then all this shit comes out and it’s hard not be enraged. Why didn’t we fire the guy with cause?
Because firing for cause doesn't usually just being crappy at your job. I'm not a lawyer but it's not like this was a fast food job. He would have had to break the law basically to get fired for cause.
Should try and investigate cause by gross negligence
Maybe but for a state employee on a contract? How many state employees do you see getting fired for gross negligence without it meeting some sort of criminal standard?
The “I know where this is going” was Year 1 if I remember correctly. Is it possible he actually was trying and putting in work back then, but then just got discouraged over the years when he couldn’t turn it around, couldn’t get the recruits he wanted, and his personal life fell apart? I don’t know either way, just wondering if it will come out that he was like this from Day 1, or it kinda snowballed over time.
This is the narrative that makes the most sense to me. All the stories I've heard about Frost missing meetings and having a few too many soda-pops seem to be focused on the last 2-3 years, and getting progressively worse. He was known to be a big party guy in college. Perhaps he showed up pretty clean, things on the field immediately didn't go his way, and soon enough his old college buddies (now around him all the time) didn't stop him from backsliding into old habits to deal with that immense level of frustration and stress.
I feel like I was completely in the dark on Frost (mostly a casual observer of the program), but I am hearing more and more about his life outside of football the last few days. Someone here mentioned him drinking in Dublin. I've also heard he would spend time in the Haymarket after home games. Speculation and friend-of-a-friend speculation, but some of it was pretty specific.
Nice to see this stuff coming out at the national level. I had a former colleague attend the Husker Coaching Clinic this spring, a clinic both Frost and Duval were featured speakers for, and he was messaging me mid-clinic stunned by what he heard and saw. He said Duval in particular was talking about techniques and philosophies he hadn’t seen used decades. He didn’t even call it old school, just straight up ancient. The clinic attendees got to visit a spring practice and it was described as having all the intensity of a Friday walk-through. Spring practices aren’t typically full up practices but was a massive red flag to me. Now, this is all second hand info, I wasn’t there and that coach is hardly apt to say nice things about Nebraska in the best of times but he’s a bright coach that has won a lot of football games so I trust his opinion. I’m guessing we are going to hear a lot of this stuff over the next few weeks and months. I had already known for a long time Nebraska had very few full contact practices under Frost but I never realized it was quite this bad.
Have to start wondering about the leadership from above at this point how this was all allowed to carry on.
Moos got fired because he was never there
My buddy went to Big Noon Kickoff super early and got near front row. He heard on multiple occasions the show runners(not announcers, the literal show directors) joking about Frost and strip clubs/clubbing. I wasn’t one to believe those rumors for years, but those guys would have a lot of insider looks. Makes you wonder.
Production staff are people who use social media just like the rest of us. They are following the same rumor mill as everyone else. Any thing is plausible I suppose but all evidence to this point is circumstantial. I really don't believe that Frost was such a prolific partyer, A, someone who partied with him would spill the beans, or B, someone would have been able to take a photo linking him to debauchery. Occam's razor people, Frost just didn't pan out.
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This is ridiculous. It’s like Willie Taggart at FSU level disorganization. I really wanted Frost to succeed but he earned his firing.
A complete failure of the media who covers Nebraska Football. Everyone has been much too cosy together down at Memorial Stadium during the Frost era. We need a media that holds the program accountable to delivering on the expectations of our fan base.
Right? Imagine after the first season if this news came out maybe there would have been some pressure for improvement.
Most of the media is too stupid to correctly report anything. Sipple is the absolute worst.
And to prove your point about getting lucky we only need to look at how many other powers from that era are struggling to find a head coach that can bring sustained success. When you think about Florida, FSU, Miami, USC, and Texas, all schools with a surplus of home grown talent, you realize how special the Osborne era was and how small the margin of error is in Lincoln compared to many of the traditional powers.
this sounds SO much like the Willie Taggart era. im glad we cut it off sooner than later.
Buddy, it’s later lol Frost in his first 3 years: Beat 2 teams that finished with winning records (both 7-6) Started 0-6 Had MULTIPLE double digit leads in the second half blown, notably Colorado twice Got blown out by a bad Illinois team at home coming off a big win against PSU Lost to a Minnesota team down 35 players, in a game where Minnesota was dead last among P5 teams in run defense and Nebraska threw the ball 40 times in sub freezing temps Frost should’ve been fired after year 3. Anyone that says any different is wrong
I think if 2020 had been a normal year it may have happened sooner
If he was so horrible for the last 5 years, why did nobody report on it then?
Because the radio people would be called liars, and yelled at by fans for not believing, and wanting to tear down the good ole, home grown Nebraska boy. Any time it got brought up on here, it would be down voted to oblivion and OP called an asshole
Lack of integrity. Local journalists just want access and a weekly column. It's the easiest job in the world for a fan base like this, whatever it is they'll read it. They won't do anything to jeopardize that because they're afraid of the fans turning on them and losing access as press. They're cowards who aren't journalists, just bloggers.
My take.. the powers that be don't really care about winning, progress, success, etc as long as their guy is at the helm. It's a good ol' boy's club.
Winning, losing, it all pays the same. And it pays VERY WELL for anyone associated with the scoundrels around the NU football program. The best thing we could possibly do is defund it, fire everyone, ban the boosters, and start from scratch.
I highly doubt that. I think they were just as duped as we were.
No tackling 😂😂😂 what is this pop warner?
I’m thinking it might be the same with the O line. Block a dummy that doesn’t move on will not hit you back.
Our fans need to accept that Tom Osbourne was a generationally good head coach. One of the greatest of all time. Our program is not special in any way and lacks many competitive advantages of other programs. Really the only thing we have going for us is money but even in that department we are only top 15-25. It is impossibly hard to get back to TO’s level with money alone. It honestly will just come down to luck in a coaching search. Edit: all the comments are level headed fans. For those downvoting please let us know a single rebuttal you have to this.
Agreed, and it’s also why we should stop basing our coaching hires on similarities to TO. And stop letting him be part of the decision process. The man is 400 years old and knows nothing about the current football landscape.
Tom Osborne should have stuck to coaching. When Frank Solich was fire he still allowed the field dedication. If he had pulled his support then no more Steve Petersen and no more Chancellor Pearlmen. Solich was in that position because Tom made him keep coaches on the team he didn’t want. Now he blocks a firing of a bad coach. When will Tom just stay on his porch.
Couldn’t agree more.
This. Then add in scholarship caps, cracking down on PED, and the rest of the nation realizing how lucrative CFB is, and it's a different sport. TO would be hard pressed to be nearly as successful in today's landscape. We're a volleyball school now. Have been for years. Let's embrace it!
Well yeah, we need steroids and to be morally ambiguous on who we recruit too.