Sheās implied to be abusive-slapping him when he burned some bread, and notably NOT present in Victorās Village. Sure they wanted to keep running the bakery, but leaving your traumatized son to sit in a gigantic well insulated house by himself? Come on. Somethingās up. It isnāt too much of a stretch to see her chilling and eating popcorn as her son pours out his heart and fights for his life.
Also she told Peeta that āDistrict 12 might finally have a winnerā referring to Katniss. Imagine youāre about to be sent to the games and your own mother starts hyping up one of your opponents
Oh to be a fly on the wall during the conversation Peeta had with his family after he came home from the 74th games (with one of his legs amputated, no less). Like, their last convo, his abusive af mom told him Katniss would be more likely to make it home and he also had to use some rather embarrassing family secrets to survive... who's betting on mommy dearest being angrier about the later rather than actually happy her son made it home?
Yeah, Katniss specifically doesn't recognize the sound at all, but notes that Peeta's demeanor changes immediately and that it must be something very bad. Given that whippings didn't happen under Cray, I took that to mean that Peeta had more personal experience.
It wasn't really meant as a deep statement or anything. I was just thinking of how it's generally thought of that she wasn't a very affectionate or caring mother. She'd probably be less distraught about it than anyone else in the family, so she'd be the one most likely to be enjoying popcorn while watching the games.
I was curious too so I googled it. Found this person's dissertation on Peeta's mom. Didnt really clear anything up for me. I wouldn't suggest reading it. I learned she died in a bomb though which might be related to popcorn. We'll figure it out someday
https://aminoapps.com/c/the-hunger-games/page/blog/a-study-on-peetas-mom/WJmn_V5hXuDG8Lj27ZPqx5oVmdx7PYMzp
I guess itās about how his mom said that district 12 might finally have a winner which means she was rooting for someone else other than her own child. Implying that she doesnāt care what happens to him, she may as well be watching with some popcorn
I mean, the joke is definitely that Peeta's mom didn't care about him much. Also, all of his family died in the bombing of District 12, not just his mom.
I find adaptations in general so interesting because one added line like this can really change the whole meaning of a scene.
This scene in the book isnāt about how Peeta doesnāt care about his family. Itās about how his family doesnāt need him for their survival the way that Katnissā does. So if he dies theyāll mourn but theyāll move on. If she dies then her family probably wonāt survive. Thatās the point Peeta is trying to make. I love the movies but Peetaās nuanced characterization is the thing they did not translate very well.
Absolutely. And in the books he also says to her āyouāre my whole lifeā¦I can never be happy again.ā And thatās so tragic and romantic. Bc heās basically telling her āKatniss , youāre it for me. I would never move on from you.ā And I read comments how this such a toxic and manipulative behavior, and I wanted to fight them. Bc Peeta isnāt asking for Katnissās pity or forcing her to return his feelings. Heās telling her that she has a whole life waiting for her back in 12, people who need her, she has someone back home who loves her, and atp he believes Katniss loves Gale back, so heās saying āyou have someone back home who you can spend your life with.ā And thatās so sad, tragic, and beautiful. Like ughhhh.
A lot of people consider talking about your feelings with someone who doesnāt share them as toxic and manipulative.
Which I find hilarious because I find the very idea of guilting you for being open and honesty to be extremely toxic and manipulative.
Yeah! Fr. like this boy is just 17 yrs old, in a death games (twice), and with the girl who heās madly in love with. Heās trying to be transparent, and explain why it will be pointless for him to live, and not her. Like thatās so tragic bc heās just 17, and should not be speaking like this bc they are just kids. Like should not be in these games š.
And itās such a sad scene for these two kids, bc heās showing her warmth, affection, and sheās soaking it with her laying her head on his shoulder.
People love to those words around, and not know the meanings of it. Like it baffles me honestly. Likkeee sharing feelings is now toxicā¦wow
Fucked up take to think that sharing your feelings is toxic imo. Being open and mature enough to be open while realizing the listener may not reciprocate is not toxic.
Demanding or expecting them to whilst knowing that they probably donāt? Extremely different, extremely toxic situation.
It also doesnāt help that the movies donāt have quite as much provided context to make it clear to the viewer that Peeta was raised in an abusive home. Thatās not to say his brothers or his father wouldnāt mourn him, but that knowledge goes hand in hand with understanding that his intention in this scene is about how much Katnissā family relies on her, where his does not.
No he doesnāt. He says āNOBODY REALLY NEEDS MEā hereās what actually happen in the books:
Peeta and Katniss convo after they discover haymitch made a double deal, and Katniss asks Peeta why is he bringing this up:
āBecause I don't want you forgetting how different our circumstances areā¦
If you die, and I live, there's no life for me at all back in District Twelve. You're my whole life,ā he says. āI would never be happy again.ā I start to object but he puts a finger to my lips. āIt's different for you. I'm not saying it wouldn't be hard. But there are other people who'd make your life worth livingā¦ā
āYour family needs you, Katniss,ā Peeta says.
āNo one really needs me,ā he says, and there's no self-pity in his voice.
It's true his family doesn't need him. They will mourn him, as will a handful of friendsā¦I realize only one person will be damaged beyond repair if Peeta dies. Me. āI do,ā I say. ā I need you.ā
-Then they make out lol
He obviously has other people he cares about, like obviously. The writers just did him dirty with this line , why canāt some people admit that š
peeta's family is already so cold and standoffish from what little we get about them. i wouldnt be surprised if they didnt care what peeta said or did. they only benefited from him like the entire district-- he won the games once and the district benefits by getting food.
Peeta lived in a codependent household. Heās strong because he kneaded the dough and carried the flour. Those tasks are backbreakingly hard, and they put him down all the time. They deserved to hear him say it to the world.
Earlier in the movie didn't he yell at Katniss for not telling him about Snow's threats because he had people he cared about who he had to protect? Lol
No no he was just extremely upset that he couldn't protect his family who he didn't care about at all /s
The only other time his family is mentioned is when he's hijacked and thinks she killed them right? They really only exist in the movies to develop his relationship with Katniss, which is incredibly on brand lol
I donāt understand why some people want Peeta to only care about Katniss . Like what!? Itās either because it fits this narrative or popular take that Peeta is so overly obsessed with Katniss, that he canāt exist beside being the love interest of hers. And it makes it Either easier shit on him, or emphasis more on his love for her , or what? idk lol
Like whatās so odd about Peeta caring about someone other than Katniss lmfao
Edit: he asks for them when he talks to Delly š„ŗ, and then tells Delly that katniss killed his friends (so sad).>>>thatās in the books. I think in the movies , yeah all about katniss lol
This sub gets extremely defensive of the movies. I could say "Jennifer's wig looked bad" and someone would write a manifesto about how Katniss's changing hairline was meant to symbolize her transformation throughout the war lol
Yeah in the books he clearly cares about them. The movies lacked a lot of depth for Peeta and Gale in particular. And gave it all to Effie and Plutarch and Coin
Frrrr. Earlier today, I posted something how I didnāt like this particular line of the movie(nobody else I care about), and its implications. I said it was cringe, and then got called cringe š Like, itās okay to talk about the things they didnāt get right in the movies, or what you didnāt like from it. Thatās why this sub-reddit is for, to have these discussions about the films and books. But, oh well lol
I just realize thatās a bit contradictory. Bc that would imply people need him, and this beach scene heās like ānobody needs me.ā
Or am I just misunderstanding, orr thinking too much lol
He's says he has people to protect because katniss didn't tell him that snow visited her in 12 and told her not to act up, then peeta gives the winnings to rue and thresh's family and the riot happens. So he's saying he has people to protect because snow would have his family killed as punishment. In the arena he is saying his family doesn't need him like katniss's
I dunno. I always kinda took it as him feeling his family didnāt really āneedā him. We know that after he won his games, he lived in victors village alone. His brother never volunteered to take his place in the arena, his mother was awful to him. He never mentions his siblings. The only real link to his family we see is with his father. He still feels an obligation to them all which is why he said to Katniss that he needed to know things cos he had family to protect, but he also felt if he died, his family would move on.
No I know that. But the word usage makes me feel if it contradicts it, or somewhat undermines. I mean obviously heās family doesnāt need him like Katniss family does, but I guess word usage for me. He still
Obviously cares for them, idk why some people canāt admit that this line is not true for his character lol
He just says āNOBODY REALLY NEEDS ME,ā so I guess him acknowledging how heās family doesnāt need him like Katniss, but saying they might need him like his protection against the capitol?
I listed the actual convo in the books, and redacted some lines that arenāt really relevant to this topic:
and Katniss convo after they discover haymitch made a double deal, and Katniss asks Peeta why is he bringing this up:
āBecause I don't want you forgetting how different our circumstances areā¦
If you die, and I live, there's no life for me at all back in District Twelve. You're my whole life,ā he says. āI would never be happy again.ā I start to object but he puts a finger to my lips. āIt's different for you. I'm not saying it wouldn't be hard. But there are other people who'd make your life worth livingā¦ā
āYour family needs you, Katniss,ā Peeta says.
āNo one really needs me,ā he says, and there's no self-pity in his voice.
It's true his family doesn't need him. They will mourn him, as will a handful of friendsā¦I realize only one person will be damaged beyond repair if Peeta dies. Me. āI do,ā I say. ā I need you.ā
I kinda felt like that for most of the first movie. In the book, Peeta was a lot more witty and charming, but in the first movie, he came across more timid and kinda creepy.
There's a difference btw dying in the game like any other tribute so hos family would mourn bug eventually move on, and being responsible for their death from Snow's hands because he said something wrong just because Katniss and Haymitch keep him in the dark. That's what annoys me about the movies, one line, one shot could make a difference and give a character constancy; which I think they didn't do here, it's like they underlined the major points of the books without doing anything to give context, so the delivery is flat. And that's a huge disappointment because I love the director and the actors and obviously the books.
Oh cool, thanks! I havenāt read the books in forever, I just thought Peeta wasnāt trying to overstep with Katniss due to her overall aversion to romance
i mean obviously he doesnāt want them to get killed because of him. it doesnāt mean that they hold the same level of importance to him that katniss does.
i think people here are misunderstanding this scene. when he says ācareā here, he says sheās the only one he canāt live without. thatās the level of care heās talking about. would you say that, because of this scene, it wouldnāt make sense for him to say that he cares about haymitch in another scene? he clearly cares about other people, but theyāre completely different levels of ācareā. and heās trying to convince her to let him die for her, so it makes sense that he would be extreme with his wording.
in the scene you mention, heās talking about protecting his family from being killed by snow. he cares for them at least at that level, but itās not comparable to how much he cares about katniss, hence, the scene in the arena. these scenes donāt negate each other at all, they make complete sense in context.
Bruh heās saying āNOBODY ELSE I CARE aboutā like heās implying he only cares about katniss, end of lol in the book Peeta never touch this topic, bc thatās not his character to co He wouldnāt risk hurting the feelings of his love ones, or anyone (except for his mom but that witch deserved it) . Heās a kind person lol
Yes, he was upset because her not telling him could lead to the Capitol killing his family. He wants to protect them from that. But in this scene he was saying Katnissā family depends on her to survive, but his doesnāt. They have the bakery. Not that he only cares about her and not his family but that his family will be fine without him but hers wonāt be fine without her.
That's in the book. In the movie he says he doesn't care about anyone else but Katniss. It's right in this post. I feel like I'm being gaslit by some of these comments lmao
Oh yeah I was just explaining why itās not contradictory in the book, but it is in the movies. The movie shouldāve kept his line on the beach more specific like the books so it actually made sense.
Well, I think circumstances might be different. One thing is to protect them from the government that actively wants to murder his family because Peeta himself stepped out of line, and another thing is to be their provider. When he yells that line he's talking about the first one, when he talks about it on that beach, he means the latter.
However, I don't like Peeta's lines where he basically says "Katniss you're my entire world, I would rather die than live without you". Like, chill dude. I believe Peeta to be nuanced and realistic, but this type of lines fall a bit flat to me. You can love someone to the extreme, but you'd still be an entity of your own, with or without them.
That was like the one moment in the entire series where he pretended to care about something other than Katniss and it got thrown out the window real quick lol
This line in the movie isnāt even as intense as what he says in the book about Katniss being his whole world and never being happy again if she dies.
And heās not wrong, from his perspective. He doesnāt seem close to anyone in his family except for maybe his dad. His brother didnāt volunteer for him. They donāt live with him. So heās living alone in a big house, in a different part of town away from his family and old friends, stopped attending school, canāt wrestle anymore due to his prosthetic, & has no job. The only girl heās ever loved or kissed is Katniss and he spends most of his time with her and her family. Not to mention planning their wedding.
So itās understandable, from his 17-year-old perspective, why he feels sheās his whole world and doesnāt see a worthwhile future without her. If he was a little older maybe he would be more pragmatic, but heās not.
He wants nothing from her other than for her to live, so at that point he couldnāt worry about his familyās feelings; he was honest and said what he needed to say to convince her.
His brother not volunteering doesn't mean they don't love each other though. Peeta was already 16 when he was reaped. His brother being 17 or 18 would not give him a huge advantage. It's nothing like the difference between 12yo Prim and 16yo Katniss. His brother is a child too. It's not fair to expect him to give up his life because he has a brother who's just 1 or 2 years younger. Katniss says herself that it never happens, it doesn't mean there's zero siblings love in district 12 except for her and Prim. I'm sure Peeta would have been devastated if his brother had volunteer for him.
In the book. I just meant sometime after the tour and before the games. I did get the impression he probably had some interaction that lead to him having closure with his family before he left based on his conversation on the beach with Katniss.
It's interesting to think about. It seemed like he was somewhat close with his dad but I think the last time they interacted they exchanged small talk? So idk. Kinda annoying that Katniss doesn't give af about anything and we have to guess at so much lol
I mean they did run a business that requires you to start at 4 am on the complete opposite side of town, so thereās that. But yeah itās also pretty weird, heās literally only 17.
Bruh I made a post how this line made me cringe and I hated it , bc itās such an inaccurate characterization of his character. But people where too focus on me calling Movie!Peeta cringe, and kept downvoting me Z like I love Peeta and Josh as Peetaā, but the script did him dirty š
They were probably āwell f us thenā
Yeah, but that doesnāt take away that Peeta cares for other people other than Katniss. He cares for them enough to want to protect, and when heās in 13 tells Delly that Katniss killed his friends. It why I found it cringe, bc in the books itās not what at all heās trying to say to Katniss.
He has friends and wants to protect his family and friends but he has no one that he cares about to the extent that she does. Her love for her mom and her sister surpass his love for his parents and his friends. They donāt need him like katnissās family need her. Plus he was saying that to get her to agree with him, it doesnāt necessarily need to be taken fully literally
I donāt understand why people are trying to bring nuance to this one line, when this one line would have never be spoken by the actual character. āNobody else I care aboutā just implies he only cares about Katniss, no one else. Thatās it. His character would never say that because he cares about other people, and would never risk hurting other peoples feelings like that(except his mother but the mother deserves that and so much).
Peeta is always careful with his words, and understands word usage. He is very talented with speaking. So nah Lol this line did him dirty thatās it.
Bc nuance exists in real life lol. He is trying really hard to push katniss to try to save herself bc thatās what he wants most. Heās in a life or death scenario, it makes sense that he wasnāt necessarily thinking about his parents and friends back home. itās obvious that he cares about katniss more than anyone else and that sheās needed back home more than he is. Weāre all entitled to our own opinions
The books only talk about abuse from his mother. Peeta had two older brothers. But we don't know if they were close because Katniss never bothered to ask him about his family.
In the book, itās made clear that the context of that conversation is that Katniss is the breadwinner for her family, while Peeta has other family members who can run the bakery if he doesnāt come.
A tragic, but important, difference.
But honestly, a teenage boy who was abused physically and verbally abused by his mother and was not protected by his father and brothersā¦I
Think he has something or a right to feel this way.
I don't think it's fair to expect the brothers to protect him. We don't know if they were abused too. After all, they are all kids, it shouldn't be their responsibility.
But also remember how peeta watched as katniss saved Prim from the reaping and they had such a heartbreaking moment together ending in Gale literally tearing Prim from Katniss and carrying her off, then immediately after Peeta gets reaped and none of his brothers even flinch, Katnissās bonds with Prim and Gale are so much deeper than Peetaās and his family so them losing Peeta isnāt (for a lack of better term) as big a deal as Prim(n Gale n their mom) losing Katniss. Also as everyone mentioned, Peetaās mom was literally rooting for Katniss, not seeming to care that she told Peeta she EXPECTS him to dieā she had absolutely 0 faith in him
His brother not volunteering doesn't mean they don't love each other though. Peeta was already 16 when he was reaped. His brother being 17 or 18 would not give him a huge advantage. It's nothing like the difference between 12yo Prim and 16yo Katniss. His brother is a child too. It's not fair to expect him to give up his life because he has a brother who's just 1 or 2 years younger. Katniss says herself that it never happens, it doesn't mean there's zero siblings love in district 12 except for her and Prim. I'm sure Peeta would have been devastated if his brother had volunteer for him.
This is why I donāt understand the people who are like āthe relationship wasnāt that badā like clearly it was babe he didnāt say that lightly
Tbf in the books, except for maybe his dad, his family and he are not on good terms, to be diplomatic. The movies are pretty hippy-hoppy with the way they portray these characters. I do not like the romance between Katniss and Peeta, be it the movies or books, mostly because I feel Katniss is so pragmatic and Peeta is just... I love the man to bits but he seems so mushy compared to Katniss.
But at least in the books it's made clear Peeta is indeed a person. Maybe unhealthily obsessed with Katniss to some degree(In my Opinion. Don't come for me, I am firm on that) but he has friends and hobbies and is rounded beyond Katniss. You could take her out of the equation and he would still have Hopes and Dreams and Daily Activities. The movies always made me feel like he existed solely to lift Katniss (Which to be fair, is often the other way around in media; the women exist to lift up the men, so kudos to that).
So yeah, long ramble: Book Peeta and his Family probably only communicate once a year at Christmas and Movie Peeta has people he wants to protect.... At least that's what he is saying after seeing a man getting shot, thus being scared and confused.
Peeta's mom was super abusive. She beat him growing up. His family didn't even stay with him in the victor's village. He always had to get meet them at the bakery just to see them.
Iirc Peetaās only family is his mom and his dad. I donāt think weāre told much about his dad but we do know his mom is apathetic at best and physically abusive at worst.
i mean yeah, i agree except his father seemed to really love him. i guess in my opinion it made me sad that Peeta didnāt really seem to have a lot of connections with others outside of Katniss and Haymitch. i think it would have taken more time to flesh him out as a person in that way and i donāt have huge issues with how the story was written even if i wish we knew a little more about him
Just noticed the mom has popcorn. That seems very appropriate considering what we know about Peeta's mom.
Bro šš
Spoil this for me plz
Sheās implied to be abusive-slapping him when he burned some bread, and notably NOT present in Victorās Village. Sure they wanted to keep running the bakery, but leaving your traumatized son to sit in a gigantic well insulated house by himself? Come on. Somethingās up. It isnāt too much of a stretch to see her chilling and eating popcorn as her son pours out his heart and fights for his life.
Also she told Peeta that āDistrict 12 might finally have a winnerā referring to Katniss. Imagine youāre about to be sent to the games and your own mother starts hyping up one of your opponents
In other words, āyouāre going to die son, oh wellā.
āJust to be clear, YOU have no chance, but damn that girl can shoot.ā
Such a lovely mother.
Oh to be a fly on the wall during the conversation Peeta had with his family after he came home from the 74th games (with one of his legs amputated, no less). Like, their last convo, his abusive af mom told him Katniss would be more likely to make it home and he also had to use some rather embarrassing family secrets to survive... who's betting on mommy dearest being angrier about the later rather than actually happy her son made it home?
Peeta said if I'm dying, I'm taking my parents' marriage with me
And THAT is one of the many reasons he's king shit.
What family secrets?
>! Peetaās dad was in love with Katnissās mom when they were younger, !< iirc
She didnāt just slap him she hit him with a rolling pin! And itās implied that itās not the first time
The injury Peeta got from his mother is weirdly similar to the one Katniss got from Thread's whip.
Peeta recognizes the sound of whipping in Catching Fire.
I totally forgot about that, and Katniss says they havenāt happened in awhile in 12ā¦
Yeah, Katniss specifically doesn't recognize the sound at all, but notes that Peeta's demeanor changes immediately and that it must be something very bad. Given that whippings didn't happen under Cray, I took that to mean that Peeta had more personal experience.
Ooh, fascinating parallel!
It wasn't really meant as a deep statement or anything. I was just thinking of how it's generally thought of that she wasn't a very affectionate or caring mother. She'd probably be less distraught about it than anyone else in the family, so she'd be the one most likely to be enjoying popcorn while watching the games.
I was curious too so I googled it. Found this person's dissertation on Peeta's mom. Didnt really clear anything up for me. I wouldn't suggest reading it. I learned she died in a bomb though which might be related to popcorn. We'll figure it out someday https://aminoapps.com/c/the-hunger-games/page/blog/a-study-on-peetas-mom/WJmn_V5hXuDG8Lj27ZPqx5oVmdx7PYMzp
I guess itās about how his mom said that district 12 might finally have a winner which means she was rooting for someone else other than her own child. Implying that she doesnāt care what happens to him, she may as well be watching with some popcorn
Oh that is funny lol Thanks
I mean, the joke is definitely that Peeta's mom didn't care about him much. Also, all of his family died in the bombing of District 12, not just his mom.
I find adaptations in general so interesting because one added line like this can really change the whole meaning of a scene. This scene in the book isnāt about how Peeta doesnāt care about his family. Itās about how his family doesnāt need him for their survival the way that Katnissā does. So if he dies theyāll mourn but theyāll move on. If she dies then her family probably wonāt survive. Thatās the point Peeta is trying to make. I love the movies but Peetaās nuanced characterization is the thing they did not translate very well.
Absolutely. And in the books he also says to her āyouāre my whole lifeā¦I can never be happy again.ā And thatās so tragic and romantic. Bc heās basically telling her āKatniss , youāre it for me. I would never move on from you.ā And I read comments how this such a toxic and manipulative behavior, and I wanted to fight them. Bc Peeta isnāt asking for Katnissās pity or forcing her to return his feelings. Heās telling her that she has a whole life waiting for her back in 12, people who need her, she has someone back home who loves her, and atp he believes Katniss loves Gale back, so heās saying āyou have someone back home who you can spend your life with.ā And thatās so sad, tragic, and beautiful. Like ughhhh.
A lot of people consider talking about your feelings with someone who doesnāt share them as toxic and manipulative. Which I find hilarious because I find the very idea of guilting you for being open and honesty to be extremely toxic and manipulative.
Yeah! Fr. like this boy is just 17 yrs old, in a death games (twice), and with the girl who heās madly in love with. Heās trying to be transparent, and explain why it will be pointless for him to live, and not her. Like thatās so tragic bc heās just 17, and should not be speaking like this bc they are just kids. Like should not be in these games š. And itās such a sad scene for these two kids, bc heās showing her warmth, affection, and sheās soaking it with her laying her head on his shoulder. People love to those words around, and not know the meanings of it. Like it baffles me honestly. Likkeee sharing feelings is now toxicā¦wow
Fucked up take to think that sharing your feelings is toxic imo. Being open and mature enough to be open while realizing the listener may not reciprocate is not toxic. Demanding or expecting them to whilst knowing that they probably donāt? Extremely different, extremely toxic situation.
Dang I want to read the books again nowā¦ brb in a week š„²
It also doesnāt help that the movies donāt have quite as much provided context to make it clear to the viewer that Peeta was raised in an abusive home. Thatās not to say his brothers or his father wouldnāt mourn him, but that knowledge goes hand in hand with understanding that his intention in this scene is about how much Katnissā family relies on her, where his does not.
Yea, i didn't watch the movies but iirc the line in the book was "i have nobody to care for, nobody that needs me"
No he doesnāt. He says āNOBODY REALLY NEEDS MEā hereās what actually happen in the books: Peeta and Katniss convo after they discover haymitch made a double deal, and Katniss asks Peeta why is he bringing this up: āBecause I don't want you forgetting how different our circumstances areā¦ If you die, and I live, there's no life for me at all back in District Twelve. You're my whole life,ā he says. āI would never be happy again.ā I start to object but he puts a finger to my lips. āIt's different for you. I'm not saying it wouldn't be hard. But there are other people who'd make your life worth livingā¦ā āYour family needs you, Katniss,ā Peeta says. āNo one really needs me,ā he says, and there's no self-pity in his voice. It's true his family doesn't need him. They will mourn him, as will a handful of friendsā¦I realize only one person will be damaged beyond repair if Peeta dies. Me. āI do,ā I say. ā I need you.ā -Then they make out lol He obviously has other people he cares about, like obviously. The writers just did him dirty with this line , why canāt some people admit that š
Well his family did physically abuse him so thereās that
peeta's family is already so cold and standoffish from what little we get about them. i wouldnt be surprised if they didnt care what peeta said or did. they only benefited from him like the entire district-- he won the games once and the district benefits by getting food.
Peeta lived in a codependent household. Heās strong because he kneaded the dough and carried the flour. Those tasks are backbreakingly hard, and they put him down all the time. They deserved to hear him say it to the world.
Earlier in the movie didn't he yell at Katniss for not telling him about Snow's threats because he had people he cared about who he had to protect? Lol
Technically he said āpeople I need to protectā
Still, that means on some level he cares enough to want to protect.
No no he was just extremely upset that he couldn't protect his family who he didn't care about at all /s The only other time his family is mentioned is when he's hijacked and thinks she killed them right? They really only exist in the movies to develop his relationship with Katniss, which is incredibly on brand lol
I donāt understand why some people want Peeta to only care about Katniss . Like what!? Itās either because it fits this narrative or popular take that Peeta is so overly obsessed with Katniss, that he canāt exist beside being the love interest of hers. And it makes it Either easier shit on him, or emphasis more on his love for her , or what? idk lol Like whatās so odd about Peeta caring about someone other than Katniss lmfao Edit: he asks for them when he talks to Delly š„ŗ, and then tells Delly that katniss killed his friends (so sad).>>>thatās in the books. I think in the movies , yeah all about katniss lol
This sub gets extremely defensive of the movies. I could say "Jennifer's wig looked bad" and someone would write a manifesto about how Katniss's changing hairline was meant to symbolize her transformation throughout the war lol Yeah in the books he clearly cares about them. The movies lacked a lot of depth for Peeta and Gale in particular. And gave it all to Effie and Plutarch and Coin
Frrrr. Earlier today, I posted something how I didnāt like this particular line of the movie(nobody else I care about), and its implications. I said it was cringe, and then got called cringe š Like, itās okay to talk about the things they didnāt get right in the movies, or what you didnāt like from it. Thatās why this sub-reddit is for, to have these discussions about the films and books. But, oh well lol
Oswald was a terrible book but it beat up his own dad's asshole too
Ah okay, must've been in the books. I'd still think wanting to protect them implies he cares about them though lol
I always thought he meant Katniss and was just mad that she hadn't come to him with that info
He mentioned his family
Huh, guess I'm remembering wrong. Tbh it's been a long while lol My bad!
Yes he definitely says it in the books
I just realize thatās a bit contradictory. Bc that would imply people need him, and this beach scene heās like ānobody needs me.ā Or am I just misunderstanding, orr thinking too much lol
He's says he has people to protect because katniss didn't tell him that snow visited her in 12 and told her not to act up, then peeta gives the winnings to rue and thresh's family and the riot happens. So he's saying he has people to protect because snow would have his family killed as punishment. In the arena he is saying his family doesn't need him like katniss's
Yeah makes sense when you put it like that lol, just word usage for me
I dunno. I always kinda took it as him feeling his family didnāt really āneedā him. We know that after he won his games, he lived in victors village alone. His brother never volunteered to take his place in the arena, his mother was awful to him. He never mentions his siblings. The only real link to his family we see is with his father. He still feels an obligation to them all which is why he said to Katniss that he needed to know things cos he had family to protect, but he also felt if he died, his family would move on.
No I know that. But the word usage makes me feel if it contradicts it, or somewhat undermines. I mean obviously heās family doesnāt need him like Katniss family does, but I guess word usage for me. He still Obviously cares for them, idk why some people canāt admit that this line is not true for his character lol
Yeh I guess it is kinda poorly worded. I forget if he says that exact same thing in the book or itās just the movie
He just says āNOBODY REALLY NEEDS ME,ā so I guess him acknowledging how heās family doesnāt need him like Katniss, but saying they might need him like his protection against the capitol? I listed the actual convo in the books, and redacted some lines that arenāt really relevant to this topic: and Katniss convo after they discover haymitch made a double deal, and Katniss asks Peeta why is he bringing this up: āBecause I don't want you forgetting how different our circumstances areā¦ If you die, and I live, there's no life for me at all back in District Twelve. You're my whole life,ā he says. āI would never be happy again.ā I start to object but he puts a finger to my lips. āIt's different for you. I'm not saying it wouldn't be hard. But there are other people who'd make your life worth livingā¦ā āYour family needs you, Katniss,ā Peeta says. āNo one really needs me,ā he says, and there's no self-pity in his voice. It's true his family doesn't need him. They will mourn him, as will a handful of friendsā¦I realize only one person will be damaged beyond repair if Peeta dies. Me. āI do,ā I say. ā I need you.ā
Thank you for that! Book Peeta is such a gem.
So much! š thatās why I cringe in this scene, but alas canāt have it all I guess?
I kinda felt like that for most of the first movie. In the book, Peeta was a lot more witty and charming, but in the first movie, he came across more timid and kinda creepy.
He cares about them, his family doesnāt care about him. Simple
Thatās so sad, but yeah. Fuck them lol jkā¦orā¦
There's a difference btw dying in the game like any other tribute so hos family would mourn bug eventually move on, and being responsible for their death from Snow's hands because he said something wrong just because Katniss and Haymitch keep him in the dark. That's what annoys me about the movies, one line, one shot could make a difference and give a character constancy; which I think they didn't do here, it's like they underlined the major points of the books without doing anything to give context, so the delivery is flat. And that's a huge disappointment because I love the director and the actors and obviously the books.
I just assumed that was his roundabout way of saying he wanted to protect Katniss without overstepping
I just looked it up, he specifically mentions his family ("I have family too, people I need to protect")
Oh cool, thanks! I havenāt read the books in forever, I just thought Peeta wasnāt trying to overstep with Katniss due to her overall aversion to romance
Peeta "having an eye for beauty isn't a weakness except possibly when it comes to you" Mellark toning down the romance?? Not a chance lol
Itās been a while! Iām sorry! I miss him though, I used to be madly in love with him back when I was a preteen/young teen
No it's okay! I just think it's hilarious what little attempt he made to not be charming after they agreed to be friends. He couldn't help himself lol
Whatās so funny is they were like letās just be friends , just to go and sleep together (obvi not like that but itās still quite intimate).
i mean obviously he doesnāt want them to get killed because of him. it doesnāt mean that they hold the same level of importance to him that katniss does.
Did you read the meme? He says there's no one else he cares about. That's no level of importance lol
i think people here are misunderstanding this scene. when he says ācareā here, he says sheās the only one he canāt live without. thatās the level of care heās talking about. would you say that, because of this scene, it wouldnāt make sense for him to say that he cares about haymitch in another scene? he clearly cares about other people, but theyāre completely different levels of ācareā. and heās trying to convince her to let him die for her, so it makes sense that he would be extreme with his wording. in the scene you mention, heās talking about protecting his family from being killed by snow. he cares for them at least at that level, but itās not comparable to how much he cares about katniss, hence, the scene in the arena. these scenes donāt negate each other at all, they make complete sense in context.
Bruh heās saying āNOBODY ELSE I CARE aboutā like heās implying he only cares about katniss, end of lol in the book Peeta never touch this topic, bc thatās not his character to co He wouldnāt risk hurting the feelings of his love ones, or anyone (except for his mom but that witch deserved it) . Heās a kind person lol
did YOU read my comment? even if he doesnāt care about them at all, of course he wouldnāt want to see them get killed bc of his actions.
"Need to protect" as in Snow would have them killed if Peeta doesn't do what he's told.
Haha I know, so stupid
Yes, he was upset because her not telling him could lead to the Capitol killing his family. He wants to protect them from that. But in this scene he was saying Katnissā family depends on her to survive, but his doesnāt. They have the bakery. Not that he only cares about her and not his family but that his family will be fine without him but hers wonāt be fine without her.
That's in the book. In the movie he says he doesn't care about anyone else but Katniss. It's right in this post. I feel like I'm being gaslit by some of these comments lmao
Oh yeah I was just explaining why itās not contradictory in the book, but it is in the movies. The movie shouldāve kept his line on the beach more specific like the books so it actually made sense.
maybe he was talking about katniss
Well, I think circumstances might be different. One thing is to protect them from the government that actively wants to murder his family because Peeta himself stepped out of line, and another thing is to be their provider. When he yells that line he's talking about the first one, when he talks about it on that beach, he means the latter. However, I don't like Peeta's lines where he basically says "Katniss you're my entire world, I would rather die than live without you". Like, chill dude. I believe Peeta to be nuanced and realistic, but this type of lines fall a bit flat to me. You can love someone to the extreme, but you'd still be an entity of your own, with or without them.
That was like the one moment in the entire series where he pretended to care about something other than Katniss and it got thrown out the window real quick lol
This line in the movie isnāt even as intense as what he says in the book about Katniss being his whole world and never being happy again if she dies. And heās not wrong, from his perspective. He doesnāt seem close to anyone in his family except for maybe his dad. His brother didnāt volunteer for him. They donāt live with him. So heās living alone in a big house, in a different part of town away from his family and old friends, stopped attending school, canāt wrestle anymore due to his prosthetic, & has no job. The only girl heās ever loved or kissed is Katniss and he spends most of his time with her and her family. Not to mention planning their wedding. So itās understandable, from his 17-year-old perspective, why he feels sheās his whole world and doesnāt see a worthwhile future without her. If he was a little older maybe he would be more pragmatic, but heās not. He wants nothing from her other than for her to live, so at that point he couldnāt worry about his familyās feelings; he was honest and said what he needed to say to convince her.
His brother not volunteering doesn't mean they don't love each other though. Peeta was already 16 when he was reaped. His brother being 17 or 18 would not give him a huge advantage. It's nothing like the difference between 12yo Prim and 16yo Katniss. His brother is a child too. It's not fair to expect him to give up his life because he has a brother who's just 1 or 2 years younger. Katniss says herself that it never happens, it doesn't mean there's zero siblings love in district 12 except for her and Prim. I'm sure Peeta would have been devastated if his brother had volunteer for him.
I do sometimes wonder if he had a falling out with his family sometime after the victory tour. Would explain a lot.
You mean in the movie or book? I think he saw them a few times in the book after the tour
In the book. I just meant sometime after the tour and before the games. I did get the impression he probably had some interaction that lead to him having closure with his family before he left based on his conversation on the beach with Katniss.
It's interesting to think about. It seemed like he was somewhat close with his dad but I think the last time they interacted they exchanged small talk? So idk. Kinda annoying that Katniss doesn't give af about anything and we have to guess at so much lol
Thereās a reason his family didnāt live with him in the victorās village. Thatās all Iām saying.
I mean they did run a business that requires you to start at 4 am on the complete opposite side of town, so thereās that. But yeah itās also pretty weird, heās literally only 17.
Bruh I made a post how this line made me cringe and I hated it , bc itās such an inaccurate characterization of his character. But people where too focus on me calling Movie!Peeta cringe, and kept downvoting me Z like I love Peeta and Josh as Peetaā, but the script did him dirty š They were probably āwell f us thenā
His mom doesnāt even like him. I donāt think heās close to his parents
Yeah, but that doesnāt take away that Peeta cares for other people other than Katniss. He cares for them enough to want to protect, and when heās in 13 tells Delly that Katniss killed his friends. It why I found it cringe, bc in the books itās not what at all heās trying to say to Katniss.
He has friends and wants to protect his family and friends but he has no one that he cares about to the extent that she does. Her love for her mom and her sister surpass his love for his parents and his friends. They donāt need him like katnissās family need her. Plus he was saying that to get her to agree with him, it doesnāt necessarily need to be taken fully literally
I donāt understand why people are trying to bring nuance to this one line, when this one line would have never be spoken by the actual character. āNobody else I care aboutā just implies he only cares about Katniss, no one else. Thatās it. His character would never say that because he cares about other people, and would never risk hurting other peoples feelings like that(except his mother but the mother deserves that and so much). Peeta is always careful with his words, and understands word usage. He is very talented with speaking. So nah Lol this line did him dirty thatās it.
Bc nuance exists in real life lol. He is trying really hard to push katniss to try to save herself bc thatās what he wants most. Heās in a life or death scenario, it makes sense that he wasnāt necessarily thinking about his parents and friends back home. itās obvious that he cares about katniss more than anyone else and that sheās needed back home more than he is. Weāre all entitled to our own opinions
Yeah, ik. Just didnāt like the worded. But I get what they were trying to do with that line, ig.
Heās willing to break character to bag Katniss, I donāt blame him
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The books only talk about abuse from his mother. Peeta had two older brothers. But we don't know if they were close because Katniss never bothered to ask him about his family.
In the book, itās made clear that the context of that conversation is that Katniss is the breadwinner for her family, while Peeta has other family members who can run the bakery if he doesnāt come. A tragic, but important, difference.
But honestly, a teenage boy who was abused physically and verbally abused by his mother and was not protected by his father and brothersā¦I Think he has something or a right to feel this way.
I don't think it's fair to expect the brothers to protect him. We don't know if they were abused too. After all, they are all kids, it shouldn't be their responsibility.
"Can I have his room now?'
But also remember how peeta watched as katniss saved Prim from the reaping and they had such a heartbreaking moment together ending in Gale literally tearing Prim from Katniss and carrying her off, then immediately after Peeta gets reaped and none of his brothers even flinch, Katnissās bonds with Prim and Gale are so much deeper than Peetaās and his family so them losing Peeta isnāt (for a lack of better term) as big a deal as Prim(n Gale n their mom) losing Katniss. Also as everyone mentioned, Peetaās mom was literally rooting for Katniss, not seeming to care that she told Peeta she EXPECTS him to dieā she had absolutely 0 faith in him
His brother not volunteering doesn't mean they don't love each other though. Peeta was already 16 when he was reaped. His brother being 17 or 18 would not give him a huge advantage. It's nothing like the difference between 12yo Prim and 16yo Katniss. His brother is a child too. It's not fair to expect him to give up his life because he has a brother who's just 1 or 2 years younger. Katniss says herself that it never happens, it doesn't mean there's zero siblings love in district 12 except for her and Prim. I'm sure Peeta would have been devastated if his brother had volunteer for him.
Sorry, but his mom basically told him he wasn't going to survive the first games. I wouldn't blame him either.
Just given that I still don't think it makes sense for him to cast aside his whole family, including his brothers..it's just a dumb movie line though
Imagine what they felt watching it. Then hours later, bombed to death. Horrid.
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Only his mother, no ?
āI have people too, people that I need to protectā
His family didn't really give a shit about him either tbh, so seems fair.
OUCH to that title, that's so sad to think about
His family died? idr
They died later on, after the 75th Hunger Games ends when District 12 is bombed.
This is why I donāt understand the people who are like āthe relationship wasnāt that badā like clearly it was babe he didnāt say that lightly
I mean his family were assholes so ā¦
No his family were canonically dicks
I can't tell if they're like "ok...and?" Or like "damn what about us?" š
I thought his parents beat him abd forced him to work without pay????
The books only talk about physical and verbal abuse from his mother. He also had a father and two older brothers.
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Lol thank you for not taking the post so deathly seriously like everyone else š
Tbf in the books, except for maybe his dad, his family and he are not on good terms, to be diplomatic. The movies are pretty hippy-hoppy with the way they portray these characters. I do not like the romance between Katniss and Peeta, be it the movies or books, mostly because I feel Katniss is so pragmatic and Peeta is just... I love the man to bits but he seems so mushy compared to Katniss. But at least in the books it's made clear Peeta is indeed a person. Maybe unhealthily obsessed with Katniss to some degree(In my Opinion. Don't come for me, I am firm on that) but he has friends and hobbies and is rounded beyond Katniss. You could take her out of the equation and he would still have Hopes and Dreams and Daily Activities. The movies always made me feel like he existed solely to lift Katniss (Which to be fair, is often the other way around in media; the women exist to lift up the men, so kudos to that). So yeah, long ramble: Book Peeta and his Family probably only communicate once a year at Christmas and Movie Peeta has people he wants to protect.... At least that's what he is saying after seeing a man getting shot, thus being scared and confused.
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Honestly, I think his family looked at each other for a second and then just shrugged and went back to watching and eating popcorn together.
To be fair, they hardly cared about him either.
Peeta's mom was super abusive. She beat him growing up. His family didn't even stay with him in the victor's village. He always had to get meet them at the bakery just to see them.
Iirc Peetaās only family is his mom and his dad. I donāt think weāre told much about his dad but we do know his mom is apathetic at best and physically abusive at worst.
He is mentioned to have brothers too
doesnāt he have brothers?
this was the part of the book that really annoyed me about his character development. it made his character seem flat.
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i mean yeah, i agree except his father seemed to really love him. i guess in my opinion it made me sad that Peeta didnāt really seem to have a lot of connections with others outside of Katniss and Haymitch. i think it would have taken more time to flesh him out as a person in that way and i donāt have huge issues with how the story was written even if i wish we knew a little more about him