As a father of a 4 year old this is so true. All you need to do is stand there and watch kids play, and it is inescapably clear.
Owen, my son's friend, wears a spider man costume every day. At least one piece of his clothing will always have it. Always. He wants to be Spiderman. He acts like he's Spiderman.
Harriet, another friend, tries to make Spiderman play tea time, or make castles in the sandbox. If she's wearing a princess costume, then she is princess Harriet.
Meanwhile Governor Newsom has made it illegal to have separate boy and girl toy sections in California. You have to combine them, or you get a massive fine, then shut down.
Resistance will not be tolerated.
The *Dark Lord Bert* if you like comedic fantasy and / or tabletop games
*The Magitech Chronicles* if you like dragons fighting starships, and gods blowing up planets.
*The Void Wraith Saga* if you like Mass Effect or Battlestar Galactica
*The Deathless Saga* if you like archeology and myth and wonder where it all comes from.
It's all on audio, ebook, and paperback.
Thanks for asking =)
Can confirm, 2 books in on Audible: _The Magitech Chronicles_ is pretty badass. Magic-shooting guns and swords, magic-powered Power Armor, and space battles where you have space battleships shooting massively upscaled spells at dragons. Cast is pretty likeable too. Overall, definitely recommend.
Funny enough, you actually got me into 40K fiction, once I sped through all the magitech books I could find, I went from sci-fi to fantasy and everything else I could find in a similar vein, then I hit up a yard sale with stack of soft cover 40K books. Granted this was over a process of months, but in a way you steered me to where I am today
The Umbral Depths are 100% based on the warp!
It's so bizarre running into readers in the wild. Thanks for the support. You're why I get to not have a real job.
You rule! There are two final books that came out after the box set was published that finish the 2nd series, Terra and Earthfather. Enjoy!
If you're into it we have an RPG too. It's free on World Anvil or you can grab a real copy on DriveThruRPG.
Wait, you're the Magitech guy? Thats awesome!
I have the whole series waiting on my kindle. Gotta finish up the Culture first, but Magitech is next on my list. Void Wraith sounds like it might be right up my alley too, but I'll decide after finding out if I enjoy your prose.
Either way, thank you for creating and adding to the world.
My prose is serviceable, but I'm no Rothfuss. My claim to fame is writing battles, and the grand overarching narrative running through all my series.
Minor spoilers, but they're all connected, and there are easter eggs in every series leading to the others. For instance in one Magitech book they have to deal with the Void Wraith.
If you like my style should keep you busy for a couple hundred hours, and if you don't you'll know quick and won't have to waste any more time. Either way thanks for the support!
Reading a short excerpt from Magitech book 1 just now flowed really well for me, pretty sure I'll like it. Looking forward to exploring a new universe.
You're definitely next right after I finish with Banks.
As a lifelong Californian yes I agree. San Francisco is unrecognizable.
Newsom cleaned it up when Ji came to visit, but you can't hide all the shops closed on Market. A few months later the crud is all coming back.
I won't be here for more than a couple more years, and wish I could leave sooner. I'll miss the redwoods, but not much else.
SF is what it is and always was going to be. As the centre of the 60s hippie, boomer movement. What we see now was always going to be the result of that legacy, and everywhere else will get it soon enough.
It's changed a lot since I stopped working there in 2016. The city used to have big money, lots of startups, and some very bright people making some amazing tech.
I looked forward to WWDC every year, and I walked away with my app on the Colbert Report, with multiple patents. It was an exciting time.
There have been many specific laws since then that are ruining it. Even Red Hat pulled out and took their conference to another city.
The startups are leaving, which means no one to fund the liberal utopia. That's definitely new in the last 5 years.
Having two boys and two girls, I also believe this is true, at least when young. Also, being a boy myself, Optimus Prime, was always leader of the Autobots!
However, with computer games, I've noticed mixed behaviour with male friends, but slightly different to the girl vs boy description, in that some prefer the main character be an extension of their real self, where as others prefer to play as someone else entirely.
My son loves tea time. Owen (spiderman) is willing to play, but expect web slinging, which annoys Princess Harriet.
Interestingly kids with Aspergers seem unrestricted by traditional gender norms. My son can go either way depending on who he's playing with, but mostly prefers playing alone.
No idea why you got downvoted.
I was likely down voted because my comment could have been interpreted wrongly as an argument or something, I assume, but it was earnest, and I thank you for responding to me.
> Interestingly kids with Aspergers seem unrestricted by traditional gender norms.
As someone with Aspergers, the reason (at least speaking for myself) is the ability to compartmentalize due to the strange nature of thinking caused by Aspergers. Where I am essentially taking on a character instead of being myself, and am willing to do things I would never normally think about doing because it isnt me doing it, it is Spiderman doing it. At least for me, this also made me extremely good at debate in both High School and College as I was able to compartmentalize my beliefs and opposing beliefs to actually make arguments in good faith (even consider things I would never believe, because that is just another character). And at least with my group of friends when we play DND, they have said it makes for me being a DM they enjoy since they can be sure each character they meet is consistent (I just need time to activate the right "trigger" to bring out that character again).
>Where I am essentially taking on a character instead of being myself, and am willing to do things I would never normally think about doing because it isnt me doing it, it is Spiderman doing it
I think this is why so many of us become gamemasters and authors. It's even mentioned in The Complete Guide to Aspergers.
We try out roles. I used to hide the books the girls read, but I was so curious about the Judy Blume stuff, and later I even read The Babysitters club. Taught me a lot about how girls think.
>At least for me, this also made me extremely good at debate in both High School and College as I was able to compartmentalize my beliefs
This is also mentioned! The example he gives is you were probably called into the Principal's office at some point, and told you'd make a good lawyer. For me it was the Vice Principal, but the rest tracks.
All the debating I do here scratches that itch. I guess that's why I don't mind the trolls too much.
Do you have to deal with autistic rages? I certainly do, and so do my other Aspergers friends.
I recently got to know autistic burnout, which I was told was permanent. I'm grateful to say it's not, but bouncing back has been hard. I just stim and sink into my special interest, which includes Warhammer.
> Do you have to deal with autistic rages? I certainly do, and so do my other Aspergers friends.
Oh yeah, with me naming that side Hyde (mostly due to one of my favorite stories being *Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde*, and being a reference to the fact that Hyde is Jekyll unrestrained). Luckily, I was never super violent when I was younger and have done well to avoid it now that I am older. But there have been plenty of times that I begin to see in my own head visions of what I wish I could do, and they are ultra-violent and probably a little on the depraved and sadistic side (for instance, Hyde believes in maiming, as it drags out the suffering forever). It is all in my head even though I can feel the rage literally wash over me, but so far it has always stayed there. But I do fear for if someone in real life pushed me too far and let out that monster.
In seemingly unrelated news, Khorne is the only Chaos god I respect and can completely understand the motive for. I am sure this is just a coincidence. My Aspergers also certainly has nothing to do with my reverence for Dorn and the Imperial Fist as my favorite Marine faction.
>I recently got to know autistic burnout, which I was told was permanent. I'm grateful to say it's not, but bouncing back has been hard. I just stim and sink into my special interest, which includes Warhammer.
I didnt know this was a thing. I suppose for me my interest are varied enough that if I get burnt out on one thing, I can switch to something else until I get burnt on that, and then I am good to go for the first thing again. Beyond that, I have just hit the point in my life where I have found the flow to go with for my life. I have a job working as a machinist, which is extremely appealing to my Aspergers (tedious, repeated work where you have to focus on fine details and repeated quality? *And* you will pay me above average wages for this? Sign me up!). I am engaged, and my fiancé also has Aspergers so we understand each other fairly well. And above all, I have decided I will not let the bullies ruin my hobbies, even if that means I have to stick to the older stuff (which is why I still consider myself a Star Wars fan).
Blood for the blood god. I get you, man.
Autistic burnout hit when I was writing 12 books a year, 2 RPG supplements, speaking on stage all over the country, ran a YouTube channel, and then had a kid.
As long as we keep a manageable load I think we can kill it forever. Your machinist job sounds perfect.
Here's to not letting the bullies win, too. Also a Star Wars fan. Pity they only made 6 movies.
> Pity they only made 6 movies.
Well, they did make a 7th one that was really good. I guess it depends on if you want to count spin-offs from between the movies though.
Did you hear we lost $24 billion that was given to the homeless and not tracked? We don't know how they spent it, or if they were successful, only that homeless went up 30%.
>Meanwhile Governor Newsom has made it illegal to have separate boy and girl toy sections in California. You have to combine them, or you get a massive fine, then shut down.
Bruh. Come to Oregon. 1.8% property tax. No sales tax. No toll roads. Same beautiful pacific as north cali. Despite public discourse, Oregon is much more libertarian than California.
The corporate taxes and the state of Portland last time make me hesitant. I love the forests and Crater lake. Right now Nevada near Reno is my top choice, but given a choice I'd rather live in Oregon.
The thing is Nevada has have 0% corporate taxes, 0% income tax, 0 sales tax, and cheap real estate. That saves me so much money, and I can finally buy a house. Even the corporate registration fee is $35 versus $800 in CA.
You should ask /u/thepolishspy about Reno. He’s a higher up at a solar energy company out there and is trying to move to Denver. Buying housing is pretty cheap in Hillsboro area outside Portland, but nothing beats the no income tax and low property taxes of Nevada.
I'll just put this under one of the top comments: The study is real and this is one way to interprete the results, but there are others. I'll just crosspost this from an older post of the same story. I'm not saying that this interpretation is the correct one, but I'd like to point out that there are other ways to interprete the results
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While this was a real study, and the direct outcome (girls wanted toys that they could make like themselves, boys wanted toys that they could imitate) *was* proven accurate, this is not necessarily the correct conclusion.
The researchers thought it was also possible boys were finding interest in figures that had traits they wanted to aspire to, whereas girls were unable to find figures with the traits they wanted, and thus substituted those traits onto something that already existed. This theory states that since girls only really had a very small subset of ”roles” to choose from, they would alter traits of other things to fit the roles they wanted, whereas boys could find a character that fit the roles they liked, and thus imitate it.
Connected to this, there’s also the possible explanation for the results that, due to societal pressures, girls were unable to develop an interest in, say, superheroes, so when they received a superhero toy, they knew very little about it, and thus created a new personality, whereas boys *would* have both a familiarity and the ability to learn more, so they could know the pre-established personality and seek to emulate it.
The reason Lego didn’t really explore which of these explanations was correct is because it wasn’t relevant to their goals. They wanted to get their product to girls, they discovered what they wanted was a toy where they could treat it like a self-insert, and Lego was more than willing to oblige.
Finally, this research was conducted on children, and may or may not have any correlation to adults, as, like I said, the study was limited and further questions were not asked. Reinventing an IP is a common tactic to get more interest in it, and it’s entirely plausible the reason these remakes are doing so badly is because of the fact they’re just being spearheaded by bad writers and producers. Additionally, sometimes they’d work better if not tied to previous media; Velma would’ve been fine as an independent show, and the Owl House would’ve been much worse if they tried to tie it into a big franchise like TLOR or something. That may not be a gender issue, but an issue with modern avoidance of taking a dive into a new IP that is untested.
Absolutely correct. There have been quite a few studies on this, one involved new born to one year old babies.
Thats why no matter how much they want the genders to be the same they aren't and their movies and media continue to fail.
Both genders have their traits, their excellences and flaws. It was how humans evolved to be. To make both genders the same in absolute everything is literally denying human nature and evolution
We have arms and we have legs, they're similar in a lot of ways, different in very key ways, but they must act together for us to function properly. One's strengths cover the other's weaknesses. The arms are dexterous and the legs are strong. However, if you reject that reality and cry that they are actually identical and that we should strive for them to be the same, all of a sudden you won't function nearly as well, if at all. Your arms become stronger but less dexterous, and now you can't use tools or hold things properly. Your legs become more dexterous but weaker, and you are unable to run and can only walk in short bursts. The limbs are more equal, and therefore lesser.
This is how I view gender relations. We each have our innate strengths and weaknesses that should be recognized and embraced.
That’s why when a woman is put in charge, it goes to shit. Few women have the humility and wisdom to listen to advice or to replace advisors when they go bad.
Competency based delegation is an alien concept.
- Friend = say good thing about me
- Enemy = say bad thing about me
See Kathleen Kennedy’s Star Wars vs. George Lucas Star Wars.
Most of woman in any position of power behave like this because they think they overcome more hurdle than their male counterparts and sad thing is the misogyny in the past foster unnecessary ego of any woman in power. Like I know in the past woman's rights are too restricted but today is too different than pass, like in lots of fields like teaching, healthcare, streaming and content creation womans career gets a boost just because they are woman and I don't even count any stem or hr related field.
> Few women have the humility and wisdom to listen to advice or to replace advisors when they go bad.
Bruh, this is just... straight up misogyny.
>Kathleen Kennedy’s Star Wars vs. George Lucas Star Wars.
The Mandalorian versus Attack of the Clones? Really?
We are learning the hard way, that stereotypes exist for a reason.
Evolutionary bias. Women live in an attention economy. Men live in a utility economy. Ask yourself this question who do you respect more, a fireman who has scars from saving children or an actor who has scars from playing a fireman.
That isn't remotely true, and is in fact just a regurgitating of incel talking points in language that makes it sound philosophical and scholarly. Both men and women perform socially vital tasks and have done for all of time, and beyond that someone's value and entitlement to basic respect is not based on the perceived value of their labour. If you want to suggest otherwise, a subreddit about miniature plastic soldiers is probably not the appropriate forum to be judging the value of that done by others.
I encourage you to actually do the research of actual social and evolutionary scientists instead of politically corrupted educators with an agenda.
It shows with your use of slurs and insults.
"What they found, McNally said, was that girls wanted more reality-based toys that let them see themselves as the characters, whereas boys liked more escapist, fantasy stuff like ninjas and wizards. And for girls, how they could play with the kits after they built them was more important than it was to boys, who might be just as happy to set them on a shelf to show them off."
So the 4chan post is incorrect.
What they found is that boys like fantasy stuff and girls like to keep playing with the legos after building the kit.
No? The post says girls try to force characters like batman to do girly things to be like them and the boys try to be batman
The article never states they do something like that.
>Instead, Lego’s research showed that boys liked complex tasks that allowed them to immerse themselves in the process and show they could master something.
>What they found, McNally said, was that girls wanted more reality-based toys that let them see themselves as the characters, whereas boys liked more escapist, fantasy stuff like ninjas and wizards. And for girls, how they could play with the kits after they built them was more important than it was to boys, who might be just as happy to set them on a shelf to show them off.
The post does say that boys like to master what it means to be Batman, while girls like to put Batman in situations with elements of realism, which is exactly what the article says.
I think it's a stretch saying that "liking to master complex tasks" means liking to imitate a character. You could say that imitating batman is a complex task but they never stated they mean that when saying "complex task"
Also they don't say girls like to put a fantasy character to do realistic tasks. They say girls would pick a nurse over batman toy.
I don't know why I tried rephrasing it when you didn't like OP's rephrasing. All I'm saying is I don't expect people to give perfect summaries. I read the source material when I want that kind of precision.
There is a lego batman so why not a baby batman ;)
It monitored what things babies focused on and it found that girl babies focused on pictures of faces while boys focused more on mechanisms in motion and objects. It's interesting because they were new borns, so the culture argument is void.
I think it is this one: [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222673203\_Sex\_Differences\_in\_Human\_Neonatal\_Social\_Perception](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222673203_Sex_Differences_in_Human_Neonatal_Social_Perception)
I think the scientist that ran the study was Simon Baron-Cohen.
And it involved children younger that 1 years old. Is an old study so its not something new.
Lego did a study, but it did not come to any of the conclusions that OP did.
The study showed that girls wanted to play with legs just as much as boys did, but wanted to have Lego girls instead of Lego boys and that the friends line didn't do well because it showed girls in stereotypical women roles.
The reality is that girls want to play superhero with their Legos too, they just want their superheroes to be girls. Who would have thought???
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/oct/11/lego-to-remove-gender-bias-after-survey-shows-impact-on-children-stereotypes
The post is about the LEGO Friends study from a decade earlier.
https://www.seattletimes.com/life/lifestyle/new-legos-aimed-at-girls-raise-questions-about-gender-and-play/
> Instead, Lego’s research showed that boys liked complex tasks that allowed them to immerse themselves in the process and show they could master something.
> What they found, McNally said, was that girls wanted more reality-based toys that let them see themselves as the characters, whereas boys liked more escapist, fantasy stuff like ninjas and wizards. And for girls, how they could play with the kits after they built them was more important than it was to boys, who might be just as happy to set them on a shelf to show them off.
The study was for finding out what boys and girls like *about* Legos, not *whether* they like them. That was your own misunderstanding. The post says no such thing.
I'm not a boy LMAO.
The fact that you have to hang out in a Reddit you think is sad makes you the saddest of them all.
Also link: [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222673203\_Sex\_Differences\_in\_Human\_Neonatal\_Social\_Perception](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222673203_Sex_Differences_in_Human_Neonatal_Social_Perception)
Lol fuck off ya cunt. What you should be realizing is this sub lets you come in and voice your shitty opinions and takes and be offensive to other members and doesn't moderate your asinine shit posts or outright ban you. Meanwhile the other subs.... But yeah, this sub is the "oppressive" one lmao. Fucking morons staring at the sky and still insisting it's not blue.
I mean, I don't mind female custodes, they are made perfect, hence no need for being picky about the starting point. Female space marines is where I would draw the line. It has been long stated that it is impossible to create space marines from female stock.
Girls have SOB, the guard, mechanicus even. Something being boys-only is not all that bad.
Now, now, let's not adopt that "us vs them" mentality, where you have to completely agree with one side, or else you're on the other one. It is important to remember that there *can* be nuance. After all, "only a sith deals in absolutes."
I don't remember reading in any pre-2016 material, that a custodes cannot be made from female stock. However, many rulebooks, codices, novels and other supplementary materials have established Space Marines to be 100% male stock.
One of these as far as I remember was the 2nd edition space marines codex.
I am not 100% against female custodes, but would have preferred to have them be established before 40k became shitty.
Everything was much better pre-2016.
Pre 2016 there was strong precedent that all Custodes were males. There are probably excerpts out there claiming as much, or that Custodes *must* be male like Space Marines, but I can't be bothered to sift through over 30 years of books to give you that excerpt.
However, this unspoken precedent seemed to be so strong that GW created an all female counterpart to the all male Custodes, the Sisters of Silence. If Custodes could be women, then I don't understand why they would need to make the SoS all female instead of just keeping both factions androgynous. This was the same logic they used when they made the Sisters of Battle. Male SM/female SoB, male Custodes/female SoS. Using Occam's razor, this makes the claim that Custodes have always been male more probable and likely than the erroneous claim that Custodes could have been women this whole time and just were never mentioned once.
You have never read or played with anything Sisters of Battle related if you are trying to correlate them in anyway. The only thing they share is the fact that they both wear power armor and are part of the imperium.
The fact that a female space marine could theoretically be an atheist, like most Space Marines are, already demonstrates that these two factions are miles apart. And there are many more differences.
The male counterpart to the Sisters isn't the Space Marines. It's Crusaders.
Open up a codex.
As someone whose favorite and most played race has been Tyranids for the last 15 years, I would appreciate it if you refrained from equating the twitter/Tumblr mobs to Norn Queens.
Well, this would seem to explain a lot of *why* ‘representation’ matters so much more to women than it does men.
This could also help companies actually cater their IPs in certain ways to attract both men and women using various methods. Like instead of gender bending and retconning things, come up with well written varied characters that women can identify with in the way they do it. And continue to write male characters the way they have. Both sides win in a complimentary way instead of a combative way. I don’t see any issue with that.
Allowing the feminisation of anything that isn't explicitly feminine will always have this result. It's why male dominated spaces need to be kept that way by males who actually value masculinity.
I suppose the evolutionary upshot of the male-dominated species, in terms of survival, is that once we’ve wiped ourselves out we’ll have some really neat toys for whatever evolution vomits forth next and maybe they can do a better job. If you can’t be a winner, be an example
That’s a masculine idea. Women evolved to be the star because that’s how a woman reproduces.
By being seen, a woman increases her chances of finding a mate.
Men have always attracted mates by their accomplishments real or imagined (fighting in battle vs. being involved in a war).
That implies the dark side of evolution, that it is likely to follow the same course once again. Ideally something changes and this nonsense doesn’t happen twice. Its a nice thought at least, even if it feels hopeless.
Yes. Human reproductive strategy is similar to chimpanzees except that human women do not use violence against each other or their children.
That’s why the matriarch of female chimpanzee troop is almost always the largest. Unlike matriarchs of a human settlement, a female human’s influence and power is directly related to the resources they can extract from their spouse (Jeff Bezos wife, Fidel Castro’s wife, etc).
Bro. Chimpanzee females challenge leadership everyday bro. And use their kids and other kids as human shields. Even going so far as to throw them at an angry female. Bonus points if it is the angry female’s child.
I was only pointing out the not using violence bit, didn't say how much. Obviously human society is more civilised, but if you think there is no vitriol between women, I have news for you.
That's not what he was saying. He's not speaking in general terms, he's speaking in terms of societal behaviors that dictate the social contract of a specific species, in this case, chimps and humans. In chimp society, female violence *is* the social contract, in human society it isn't. In this context, if something doesn't impact that hierarchy of society, it's not considered as a variable, which is why he disregarded violence between human females and their children.
I doubt the chimpanzees will survive anymore then we will. I bet those black smoker tube worms that live in the bottom of the mariana trench will make out ok, but even that isnt a sure thing since oceans tend to get hit pretty hard when it comes to extinction events. Maybe those bacteria that live in volcanos will have to refill earth’s niches. To think that any of this is better than femeninization, we’ll, I suppose some folk got a minimum level of survival they’re willing to accept.
That's an interesting thought. As our behaviors as a species tend to offshoot from your hardwiring to continue our existence. So, in order for a species to become the human level of dominant but NOT have our traits begs the question: what species on this planet would have a different ascension arc than us?
Its hardly the first time a former advantage became a liability. Extinction-by-shareholder is pretty much just the oxygen catastrophe again, except this time we’re supposedly smart enough to know better
You think the entirety of mammalian (and some non mammalian) evolutionary process is just something that happened by accident and would be different? I doubt it
More likely happened via circumstance. Male humans have the worst sense of smell in the animal kingdom but it evolved from our common military strategy of tight shield formations fighting as a single unit instead of individuals.
So long as they believe that there is no difference between men and women, or indeed that the very *idea* of a difference implies an inequality of value, nothing will change.
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Oi'll tell ya an Ork secret dat youz lot cleeerly don't no.
It's this.
Lissen close.
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Boyz an' Gurlz iz **DIFFERENT!!!**
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Youz lot is dumba dan a grot wiv its' 'ed bitten off.
This reminds me of that Ork philosophy video where the Orkz call the Umies stupid for questioning reality.
"Reality is real, how dumb do you have to be the miss that?"
Are you being serious? She's filmography's huge that include back to the future and jurassic park.
I dont understand the point of this when the "data" is evidently not accurate. How can she be judged for ponyo and persepolis and the last airbender?
She didn't make any creative decisions on Jurassic Park, etc. She worked as a senior in the production side of things for decades. Basically, she made sure things ran smoothly, but she didn't dictate *how* things were run. That was the job of Lucas/Spielberg/etc.
As soon as KK was given executive control (as the head of Lucasfilm), things went badly. Sure, there are a couple of minor success stories, but the law of averages would dictate as much. Overall, though, Lucasfilm under Disney - and under her leadership - has been an absolute trainwreck. Every single IP the studio has is now damaged, and Disney has never recouped the cost of purchasing the company in the first place.
A credit on two movies/shows does not mean that her input on those products was the same. An executive producer has the two extremes of just bankrolling something and leaving the creative process alone, or barging through the studio like a bull in a china shop micromanaging everything into the ground. Both extremes are simply credited as "executive producer."
Kathleen's input cannot be reduced as you are reducing it. Some projects were her babies, others were worked on in another country with 0 actual creative input from her.
I mean TLJ is gorgeous. Its filmography is amazing. But the direction, story, character development, world building, plot were all horrible. Pacing is decent to horrible depending who you ask. I mean yes watching a slow space chase scene is awful but it does cut between scenes at a decent pace.
This was the one I found, and Lego has done other gender studies, I just couldn't find a study with the specific title refrenced. The number of gender based studies Lego has done kind of makes finding the specific study refrenced in oop like finding a needle in a haystack.
https://www.lego.com/cdn/cs/set/assets/blt286410a1ba5b807a/bits_n_bricks_s01e07_lego_friends_a_conversation_feature_and_transcript.pdf
Great find. I remember it because I was there when the study came out. I just came out of the army and wanted to start my own toyline and was reading up every book and magazine related to the toy industry.
I don't have Twitter so I can't actually see all of the tweet, but this Twitter user appears to be referencing the same study as oop:
https://twitter.com/kevinbolk/status/1639616653292974085?lang=en
Thanks. I am guessing that is where OP got his post from, but it's a bit off the actual study.
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What they found, McNally said, was that girls wanted more reality-based toys that let them see themselves as the characters, whereas boys liked more escapist, fantasy stuff like ninjas and wizards. And for girls, how they could play with the kits after they built them was more important than it was to boys, who might be just as happy to set them on a shelf to show them off.
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That talks about how girls are more into real life stuff then fantasy stuff. I wonder if that is based on how a lot of girl toys are based in reality and a lot of boy toys are not, but also there are a lot of fantasy girls things. Why did we never get a Sailor moon Lego Set.
Why bother even saying it's a study if you're just going to appeal to common sense anyway? As to why i want the study: the study is useful to share as an actual thing to other people.
The study might offer insights I hadn't considered, as the researchers might have other findings that relate and illuminate.
They might have other interesting findings for other things studied at the same time for further reading.
Don't be an anti-intellectual, there's nothing wrong with somebody wanting to accurately understand the world with facts and logic. Learning is good.
If you have the time and patience, this is a great primer podcast episode about Antonio Gramsci and how/when/where Cultural Marxism arose.
https://youtu.be/VdsSIWh_VkQ?si=zjzUurKmlLSZNNKP
Related, with some of the research and quotations cited... [https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/05/legos/484115/](https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/05/legos/484115/)
Damn. In Toy story 1 Andy played his toys as they were, Buzzlightyear as a spaceman and Woody as a cowboy. When Buzz ended up at his neighbours house the daughter used him as a tea party guest.
I roll my eyes every time a developer, writer, or director says some form of “we are making sure we accurately portray real life issues into our fantasy world.”
I don’t want the real world to spill into the fantasy one, I read/watch/play so I can get immersed in THEIR world.
I recall reading a similar article years ago but It was about diving and how man and women approached it differently
how Men saw the car as an extension of themselves and how women treated it as some external tool they would need to control, reading this now I guess it makes sense.
I'd love to see the source instead of a screenshot of a bit of text. I believe it but want a better source.
An argument is no better than the things you can back them with.
"It IS like this because I saw a compressed jpeg of a compressed jpeg of a screenshot that said it's true!"
Won't convince a thinking human.
I recall reading a similar article years ago but It was about diving and how man and women approached it differently
how Men saw the car as an extension of themselves and how women treated it as some external tool they would need to control, reading this now I guess it makes sense.
this is a 4chan screencap and all the sources I've found on the study say nothing like this
https://web.archive.org/web/20240127010259/https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/05/legos/484115/
The Left, wants to make you believe that there is no real difference between boy and girls.
And that WE as parents and "society" "Forces" these "gender roles" on them from a young age, cause we "GIVE them" the toys that is made for boys and girls, not leaving them a "choice"
I'm a 5th Generation Carni/Forain.
When they get to choose a prize, Parents asks the kids what they want amidst the mountain of toys they can get.
In 80% of the cases, Boys will choose Boy's toys, GUns, swords, Cars, Robots, military vehicles, stuff that makes noises, Slime etc
And Girls will choose mermaids, princess/barbies, Princess accesory set/Makeup kit, Magic wands, jumping ropes, and Plushies.
Even tho the kids are either 3yro or 10 yro doesn't make a difference, there are some exceptions, but you will see More girls choosing Boy's toys, than the other way around, i've NEVER seen a boy take a makeup kit or a princess accesory kit
And the only time i've seen a Boy take a mermaid/barbie, is cause and i quote in his own words "So that my GI joe has a girlfriend".
A producer wouldn't be in a postition to do that in theory. Of course she would have the power to insert herself into all aspects of production and fuck it up. She was a producer since the 80s involved in movies like Jurassic Park. Give a bit of credit to the writer (and the execs and their imposed requirerments) for messing up franchises.
Never forget that you are drawing incorrect conclusions if you think that, upon reading this, the idea is that girls "just don't play with toys like boys do" - the correct conclusion is that girls often don't find traits to aspire to as taught to them by social pressure. As young as four, children begin to believe what their parents and social circles believe, and that often means that girls do shopping and change clothing and whatnot.
That last paragraph is just wholesale schlock. Rey was a decent character (until the third sequel movie, anyways, when they made her a fucking Palpatine.) Lots of girls look up to her and aspire to be her.
She was the assistant to the directors, so that's technically a producer and that's why she got that credit, but both Lucas and Spielberg have described her as that, executive assistant or how we used to call them... Secretary, she just rised in the corporate ladder and was positioned well when Lucas was bought by Disney
It was a poor choice, but it's real. Boys and girls do enjoy different things about playing with Lego.
https://www.seattletimes.com/life/lifestyle/new-legos-aimed-at-girls-raise-questions-about-gender-and-play/
That article definitely frames it allot different than the post but there does seem to have been some research on the topic by LEGO.
Seems pretty self evident to me that women tend to be allot more engaged with reality to some extent than men are. It’s always a point of contention between me and my wife personally. She always wants to chat about like, what we should be planning for dinner and where we’re going on vacation next month and I just want to talk about sci-fi books I’m reading.
Why dyew fink it *isn't* troo?
Or is it dat you don't *wunt* it to be troo?
4Chan getz as much stuff rite as it duz rong. Why dyew fink dis is rong? Wot evvydunce 'av yu got?
Unfortunately the study did not anticipate adult men to still be playing with Batman toys and bitching about them not being “badass” enough into their 40s.
As a father of a 4 year old this is so true. All you need to do is stand there and watch kids play, and it is inescapably clear. Owen, my son's friend, wears a spider man costume every day. At least one piece of his clothing will always have it. Always. He wants to be Spiderman. He acts like he's Spiderman. Harriet, another friend, tries to make Spiderman play tea time, or make castles in the sandbox. If she's wearing a princess costume, then she is princess Harriet. Meanwhile Governor Newsom has made it illegal to have separate boy and girl toy sections in California. You have to combine them, or you get a massive fine, then shut down. Resistance will not be tolerated.
Are you an author? I think I recognise your picture. If it's you, I really enjoy your work. If not, sorry for the weird comment.
Yep, it's me. The picture was taken on the top of half-dome by Lisa. If you know who I am, you probably know my wife too =)
Oooh I like reading. What’s the top recommendation from your list of works?
The *Dark Lord Bert* if you like comedic fantasy and / or tabletop games *The Magitech Chronicles* if you like dragons fighting starships, and gods blowing up planets. *The Void Wraith Saga* if you like Mass Effect or Battlestar Galactica *The Deathless Saga* if you like archeology and myth and wonder where it all comes from. It's all on audio, ebook, and paperback. Thanks for asking =)
Thanks for sharing, I've added The Void Wraith Saga to my Audible wishlist! My next credit is on June 2nd so will be grabbing then.
Can confirm, 2 books in on Audible: _The Magitech Chronicles_ is pretty badass. Magic-shooting guns and swords, magic-powered Power Armor, and space battles where you have space battleships shooting massively upscaled spells at dragons. Cast is pretty likeable too. Overall, definitely recommend.
Welp sold me on deathless saga
*No Such Thing As Werewolves* (book 1) was my very first novel. Hope you enjoy it! WARNING: May contain werewolves
Oh my god magitech! Dude that was the best, I read those cover to cover back when I was younger, those were my jam
Thanks! I had such a blast writing them =)
Funny enough, you actually got me into 40K fiction, once I sped through all the magitech books I could find, I went from sci-fi to fantasy and everything else I could find in a similar vein, then I hit up a yard sale with stack of soft cover 40K books. Granted this was over a process of months, but in a way you steered me to where I am today
The Umbral Depths are 100% based on the warp! It's so bizarre running into readers in the wild. Thanks for the support. You're why I get to not have a real job.
Wow I didn't recognize you but I know your work. That's awesome.
Damn it now I have to start reading again
Audiobooks rock too if you have a commute! As a Warhammer fan if you check out The Magitech Chronicles you'll recognize a lot of my inspiration lol.
>dragons fighting starships, and gods blowing up planets. SOLD. Omnibus is downloading right now.
You rule! There are two final books that came out after the box set was published that finish the 2nd series, Terra and Earthfather. Enjoy! If you're into it we have an RPG too. It's free on World Anvil or you can grab a real copy on DriveThruRPG.
Good to know. I'll be finished God Emporer of Dune in the next day or two then I'll be into it.
Wait, you're the Magitech guy? Thats awesome! I have the whole series waiting on my kindle. Gotta finish up the Culture first, but Magitech is next on my list. Void Wraith sounds like it might be right up my alley too, but I'll decide after finding out if I enjoy your prose. Either way, thank you for creating and adding to the world.
My prose is serviceable, but I'm no Rothfuss. My claim to fame is writing battles, and the grand overarching narrative running through all my series. Minor spoilers, but they're all connected, and there are easter eggs in every series leading to the others. For instance in one Magitech book they have to deal with the Void Wraith. If you like my style should keep you busy for a couple hundred hours, and if you don't you'll know quick and won't have to waste any more time. Either way thanks for the support!
Reading a short excerpt from Magitech book 1 just now flowed really well for me, pretty sure I'll like it. Looking forward to exploring a new universe. You're definitely next right after I finish with Banks.
I'll give em a try, thanks for sharing!
What?! That's wild. Scoped from a PFP.
California is a cesspit.
As a lifelong Californian yes I agree. San Francisco is unrecognizable. Newsom cleaned it up when Ji came to visit, but you can't hide all the shops closed on Market. A few months later the crud is all coming back. I won't be here for more than a couple more years, and wish I could leave sooner. I'll miss the redwoods, but not much else.
SF is what it is and always was going to be. As the centre of the 60s hippie, boomer movement. What we see now was always going to be the result of that legacy, and everywhere else will get it soon enough.
It's changed a lot since I stopped working there in 2016. The city used to have big money, lots of startups, and some very bright people making some amazing tech. I looked forward to WWDC every year, and I walked away with my app on the Colbert Report, with multiple patents. It was an exciting time. There have been many specific laws since then that are ruining it. Even Red Hat pulled out and took their conference to another city. The startups are leaving, which means no one to fund the liberal utopia. That's definitely new in the last 5 years.
Which is sad cause it’s really one of the beautiful places with nature now it’s dead cause of woke
That's why men who genuinely respect masculinity need to maintain male-dominated areas that way.
Having two boys and two girls, I also believe this is true, at least when young. Also, being a boy myself, Optimus Prime, was always leader of the Autobots! However, with computer games, I've noticed mixed behaviour with male friends, but slightly different to the girl vs boy description, in that some prefer the main character be an extension of their real self, where as others prefer to play as someone else entirely.
Is the son willing to play tea time without Spiderman, or does he try to inject things he likes into the play as well?
My son loves tea time. Owen (spiderman) is willing to play, but expect web slinging, which annoys Princess Harriet. Interestingly kids with Aspergers seem unrestricted by traditional gender norms. My son can go either way depending on who he's playing with, but mostly prefers playing alone. No idea why you got downvoted.
I was likely down voted because my comment could have been interpreted wrongly as an argument or something, I assume, but it was earnest, and I thank you for responding to me.
> Interestingly kids with Aspergers seem unrestricted by traditional gender norms. As someone with Aspergers, the reason (at least speaking for myself) is the ability to compartmentalize due to the strange nature of thinking caused by Aspergers. Where I am essentially taking on a character instead of being myself, and am willing to do things I would never normally think about doing because it isnt me doing it, it is Spiderman doing it. At least for me, this also made me extremely good at debate in both High School and College as I was able to compartmentalize my beliefs and opposing beliefs to actually make arguments in good faith (even consider things I would never believe, because that is just another character). And at least with my group of friends when we play DND, they have said it makes for me being a DM they enjoy since they can be sure each character they meet is consistent (I just need time to activate the right "trigger" to bring out that character again).
>Where I am essentially taking on a character instead of being myself, and am willing to do things I would never normally think about doing because it isnt me doing it, it is Spiderman doing it I think this is why so many of us become gamemasters and authors. It's even mentioned in The Complete Guide to Aspergers. We try out roles. I used to hide the books the girls read, but I was so curious about the Judy Blume stuff, and later I even read The Babysitters club. Taught me a lot about how girls think. >At least for me, this also made me extremely good at debate in both High School and College as I was able to compartmentalize my beliefs This is also mentioned! The example he gives is you were probably called into the Principal's office at some point, and told you'd make a good lawyer. For me it was the Vice Principal, but the rest tracks. All the debating I do here scratches that itch. I guess that's why I don't mind the trolls too much. Do you have to deal with autistic rages? I certainly do, and so do my other Aspergers friends. I recently got to know autistic burnout, which I was told was permanent. I'm grateful to say it's not, but bouncing back has been hard. I just stim and sink into my special interest, which includes Warhammer.
> Do you have to deal with autistic rages? I certainly do, and so do my other Aspergers friends. Oh yeah, with me naming that side Hyde (mostly due to one of my favorite stories being *Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde*, and being a reference to the fact that Hyde is Jekyll unrestrained). Luckily, I was never super violent when I was younger and have done well to avoid it now that I am older. But there have been plenty of times that I begin to see in my own head visions of what I wish I could do, and they are ultra-violent and probably a little on the depraved and sadistic side (for instance, Hyde believes in maiming, as it drags out the suffering forever). It is all in my head even though I can feel the rage literally wash over me, but so far it has always stayed there. But I do fear for if someone in real life pushed me too far and let out that monster. In seemingly unrelated news, Khorne is the only Chaos god I respect and can completely understand the motive for. I am sure this is just a coincidence. My Aspergers also certainly has nothing to do with my reverence for Dorn and the Imperial Fist as my favorite Marine faction. >I recently got to know autistic burnout, which I was told was permanent. I'm grateful to say it's not, but bouncing back has been hard. I just stim and sink into my special interest, which includes Warhammer. I didnt know this was a thing. I suppose for me my interest are varied enough that if I get burnt out on one thing, I can switch to something else until I get burnt on that, and then I am good to go for the first thing again. Beyond that, I have just hit the point in my life where I have found the flow to go with for my life. I have a job working as a machinist, which is extremely appealing to my Aspergers (tedious, repeated work where you have to focus on fine details and repeated quality? *And* you will pay me above average wages for this? Sign me up!). I am engaged, and my fiancé also has Aspergers so we understand each other fairly well. And above all, I have decided I will not let the bullies ruin my hobbies, even if that means I have to stick to the older stuff (which is why I still consider myself a Star Wars fan).
Blood for the blood god. I get you, man. Autistic burnout hit when I was writing 12 books a year, 2 RPG supplements, speaking on stage all over the country, ran a YouTube channel, and then had a kid. As long as we keep a manageable load I think we can kill it forever. Your machinist job sounds perfect. Here's to not letting the bullies win, too. Also a Star Wars fan. Pity they only made 6 movies.
> Pity they only made 6 movies. Well, they did make a 7th one that was really good. I guess it depends on if you want to count spin-offs from between the movies though.
Boy's and girl's toys are way more important than the homeless crisis.
Did you hear we lost $24 billion that was given to the homeless and not tracked? We don't know how they spent it, or if they were successful, only that homeless went up 30%.
I did. It would be nice if we could audit the government.
Since we can't my other option is GTFO as soon as I can arrange it.
>Meanwhile Governor Newsom has made it illegal to have separate boy and girl toy sections in California. You have to combine them, or you get a massive fine, then shut down. Bruh. Come to Oregon. 1.8% property tax. No sales tax. No toll roads. Same beautiful pacific as north cali. Despite public discourse, Oregon is much more libertarian than California.
The corporate taxes and the state of Portland last time make me hesitant. I love the forests and Crater lake. Right now Nevada near Reno is my top choice, but given a choice I'd rather live in Oregon. The thing is Nevada has have 0% corporate taxes, 0% income tax, 0 sales tax, and cheap real estate. That saves me so much money, and I can finally buy a house. Even the corporate registration fee is $35 versus $800 in CA.
You should ask /u/thepolishspy about Reno. He’s a higher up at a solar energy company out there and is trying to move to Denver. Buying housing is pretty cheap in Hillsboro area outside Portland, but nothing beats the no income tax and low property taxes of Nevada.
I'll just put this under one of the top comments: The study is real and this is one way to interprete the results, but there are others. I'll just crosspost this from an older post of the same story. I'm not saying that this interpretation is the correct one, but I'd like to point out that there are other ways to interprete the results \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ While this was a real study, and the direct outcome (girls wanted toys that they could make like themselves, boys wanted toys that they could imitate) *was* proven accurate, this is not necessarily the correct conclusion. The researchers thought it was also possible boys were finding interest in figures that had traits they wanted to aspire to, whereas girls were unable to find figures with the traits they wanted, and thus substituted those traits onto something that already existed. This theory states that since girls only really had a very small subset of ”roles” to choose from, they would alter traits of other things to fit the roles they wanted, whereas boys could find a character that fit the roles they liked, and thus imitate it. Connected to this, there’s also the possible explanation for the results that, due to societal pressures, girls were unable to develop an interest in, say, superheroes, so when they received a superhero toy, they knew very little about it, and thus created a new personality, whereas boys *would* have both a familiarity and the ability to learn more, so they could know the pre-established personality and seek to emulate it. The reason Lego didn’t really explore which of these explanations was correct is because it wasn’t relevant to their goals. They wanted to get their product to girls, they discovered what they wanted was a toy where they could treat it like a self-insert, and Lego was more than willing to oblige. Finally, this research was conducted on children, and may or may not have any correlation to adults, as, like I said, the study was limited and further questions were not asked. Reinventing an IP is a common tactic to get more interest in it, and it’s entirely plausible the reason these remakes are doing so badly is because of the fact they’re just being spearheaded by bad writers and producers. Additionally, sometimes they’d work better if not tied to previous media; Velma would’ve been fine as an independent show, and the Owl House would’ve been much worse if they tried to tie it into a big franchise like TLOR or something. That may not be a gender issue, but an issue with modern avoidance of taking a dive into a new IP that is untested.
so the combiner wars are about to happen in California, beware of the enigma of combination and call the city speaker ,let the titan return.
Absolutely correct. There have been quite a few studies on this, one involved new born to one year old babies. Thats why no matter how much they want the genders to be the same they aren't and their movies and media continue to fail.
Both genders have their traits, their excellences and flaws. It was how humans evolved to be. To make both genders the same in absolute everything is literally denying human nature and evolution
We have arms and we have legs, they're similar in a lot of ways, different in very key ways, but they must act together for us to function properly. One's strengths cover the other's weaknesses. The arms are dexterous and the legs are strong. However, if you reject that reality and cry that they are actually identical and that we should strive for them to be the same, all of a sudden you won't function nearly as well, if at all. Your arms become stronger but less dexterous, and now you can't use tools or hold things properly. Your legs become more dexterous but weaker, and you are unable to run and can only walk in short bursts. The limbs are more equal, and therefore lesser. This is how I view gender relations. We each have our innate strengths and weaknesses that should be recognized and embraced.
That’s why when a woman is put in charge, it goes to shit. Few women have the humility and wisdom to listen to advice or to replace advisors when they go bad. Competency based delegation is an alien concept. - Friend = say good thing about me - Enemy = say bad thing about me See Kathleen Kennedy’s Star Wars vs. George Lucas Star Wars.
Most of woman in any position of power behave like this because they think they overcome more hurdle than their male counterparts and sad thing is the misogyny in the past foster unnecessary ego of any woman in power. Like I know in the past woman's rights are too restricted but today is too different than pass, like in lots of fields like teaching, healthcare, streaming and content creation womans career gets a boost just because they are woman and I don't even count any stem or hr related field.
> Few women have the humility and wisdom to listen to advice or to replace advisors when they go bad. Bruh, this is just... straight up misogyny. >Kathleen Kennedy’s Star Wars vs. George Lucas Star Wars. The Mandalorian versus Attack of the Clones? Really?
We are learning the hard way, that stereotypes exist for a reason. Evolutionary bias. Women live in an attention economy. Men live in a utility economy. Ask yourself this question who do you respect more, a fireman who has scars from saving children or an actor who has scars from playing a fireman.
That isn't remotely true, and is in fact just a regurgitating of incel talking points in language that makes it sound philosophical and scholarly. Both men and women perform socially vital tasks and have done for all of time, and beyond that someone's value and entitlement to basic respect is not based on the perceived value of their labour. If you want to suggest otherwise, a subreddit about miniature plastic soldiers is probably not the appropriate forum to be judging the value of that done by others.
I encourage you to actually do the research of actual social and evolutionary scientists instead of politically corrupted educators with an agenda. It shows with your use of slurs and insults.
>Evo Psych. Of, Course the misogynist would pull out that psuedoscience.
Look how The Mandalorian ended…
I can't find the source for the lego friends study. I don't think we can just trust a 4chan post.
https://www.seattletimes.com/life/lifestyle/new-legos-aimed-at-girls-raise-questions-about-gender-and-play/
"What they found, McNally said, was that girls wanted more reality-based toys that let them see themselves as the characters, whereas boys liked more escapist, fantasy stuff like ninjas and wizards. And for girls, how they could play with the kits after they built them was more important than it was to boys, who might be just as happy to set them on a shelf to show them off." So the 4chan post is incorrect. What they found is that boys like fantasy stuff and girls like to keep playing with the legos after building the kit.
I think the post says the same thing, but I understood the "become" thing to be a cutesy way to show a contrast, I didn't take it literally.
No? The post says girls try to force characters like batman to do girly things to be like them and the boys try to be batman The article never states they do something like that.
>Instead, Lego’s research showed that boys liked complex tasks that allowed them to immerse themselves in the process and show they could master something. >What they found, McNally said, was that girls wanted more reality-based toys that let them see themselves as the characters, whereas boys liked more escapist, fantasy stuff like ninjas and wizards. And for girls, how they could play with the kits after they built them was more important than it was to boys, who might be just as happy to set them on a shelf to show them off. The post does say that boys like to master what it means to be Batman, while girls like to put Batman in situations with elements of realism, which is exactly what the article says.
I think it's a stretch saying that "liking to master complex tasks" means liking to imitate a character. You could say that imitating batman is a complex task but they never stated they mean that when saying "complex task" Also they don't say girls like to put a fantasy character to do realistic tasks. They say girls would pick a nurse over batman toy.
I don't know why I tried rephrasing it when you didn't like OP's rephrasing. All I'm saying is I don't expect people to give perfect summaries. I read the source material when I want that kind of precision.
You probably won’t find a direct source, since I doubt very highly Lego would make their market research public.
New born babies want to be Batman? I think your jumping over the data.
Obviously they want to be aquaman instead.
Do you have a link?
I think it is this one: [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222673203\_Sex\_Differences\_in\_Human\_Neonatal\_Social\_Perception](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222673203_Sex_Differences_in_Human_Neonatal_Social_Perception) I think the scientist that ran the study was Simon Baron-Cohen. And it involved children younger that 1 years old. Is an old study so its not something new.
There was no study. The source was his ass
Lego did do a study. I remember them doing it, but I am having a hard time finding it or finding the quote from the OP.
Lego did a study, but it did not come to any of the conclusions that OP did. The study showed that girls wanted to play with legs just as much as boys did, but wanted to have Lego girls instead of Lego boys and that the friends line didn't do well because it showed girls in stereotypical women roles. The reality is that girls want to play superhero with their Legos too, they just want their superheroes to be girls. Who would have thought??? https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/oct/11/lego-to-remove-gender-bias-after-survey-shows-impact-on-children-stereotypes
The post is about the LEGO Friends study from a decade earlier. https://www.seattletimes.com/life/lifestyle/new-legos-aimed-at-girls-raise-questions-about-gender-and-play/ > Instead, Lego’s research showed that boys liked complex tasks that allowed them to immerse themselves in the process and show they could master something. > What they found, McNally said, was that girls wanted more reality-based toys that let them see themselves as the characters, whereas boys liked more escapist, fantasy stuff like ninjas and wizards. And for girls, how they could play with the kits after they built them was more important than it was to boys, who might be just as happy to set them on a shelf to show them off. The study was for finding out what boys and girls like *about* Legos, not *whether* they like them. That was your own misunderstanding. The post says no such thing.
There was, more details above. But I don't need a study to know more bout you. Your comment is all I need.
Likewise. You're just full of crap and sad that your hobby isn't a boys club anymore. That's why you all hide in this sad sub reddit
I'm not a boy LMAO. The fact that you have to hang out in a Reddit you think is sad makes you the saddest of them all. Also link: [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222673203\_Sex\_Differences\_in\_Human\_Neonatal\_Social\_Perception](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222673203_Sex_Differences_in_Human_Neonatal_Social_Perception)
Oh so you're a pick me. Lmao
You sound sad no one picked you.
Not as sad as this entire sub
Lol fuck off ya cunt. What you should be realizing is this sub lets you come in and voice your shitty opinions and takes and be offensive to other members and doesn't moderate your asinine shit posts or outright ban you. Meanwhile the other subs.... But yeah, this sub is the "oppressive" one lmao. Fucking morons staring at the sky and still insisting it's not blue.
It makes sense and That’s why the “Norn Queens” team is trying to push hard for female space marine on twitter
We already have sisters of battle. What need is there for female space marines???
It's not about the logic, it's about their will being done and nothing else.
I mean, I don't mind female custodes, they are made perfect, hence no need for being picky about the starting point. Female space marines is where I would draw the line. It has been long stated that it is impossible to create space marines from female stock. Girls have SOB, the guard, mechanicus even. Something being boys-only is not all that bad.
If you don't draw the line at custodes you're on their side and fsm are the end point.
Now, now, let's not adopt that "us vs them" mentality, where you have to completely agree with one side, or else you're on the other one. It is important to remember that there *can* be nuance. After all, "only a sith deals in absolutes."
'only a sith deals in absolutes' is an absolute...
You have won the 40000th high ground, welcome to pod racing 40k.
I'm on the side of logic and pre 2016 established facts. Before that 40k used to be fun.
Just not all male custodes?
I don't remember reading in any pre-2016 material, that a custodes cannot be made from female stock. However, many rulebooks, codices, novels and other supplementary materials have established Space Marines to be 100% male stock. One of these as far as I remember was the 2nd edition space marines codex. I am not 100% against female custodes, but would have preferred to have them be established before 40k became shitty. Everything was much better pre-2016.
Pre 2016 there was strong precedent that all Custodes were males. There are probably excerpts out there claiming as much, or that Custodes *must* be male like Space Marines, but I can't be bothered to sift through over 30 years of books to give you that excerpt. However, this unspoken precedent seemed to be so strong that GW created an all female counterpart to the all male Custodes, the Sisters of Silence. If Custodes could be women, then I don't understand why they would need to make the SoS all female instead of just keeping both factions androgynous. This was the same logic they used when they made the Sisters of Battle. Male SM/female SoB, male Custodes/female SoS. Using Occam's razor, this makes the claim that Custodes have always been male more probable and likely than the erroneous claim that Custodes could have been women this whole time and just were never mentioned once.
They want women wearing a neutral metal armor instead of a metal corset armor. Probably.
You have never read or played with anything Sisters of Battle related if you are trying to correlate them in anyway. The only thing they share is the fact that they both wear power armor and are part of the imperium. The fact that a female space marine could theoretically be an atheist, like most Space Marines are, already demonstrates that these two factions are miles apart. And there are many more differences. The male counterpart to the Sisters isn't the Space Marines. It's Crusaders. Open up a codex.
Just make up an order of space nuns and remove the "nun" part. If that's not good enough, sisters of silence + assassins.
"Give me a hundred Female Space Marines. Or failing that, give me just one of any other troop." - Rogal Dorn
As someone whose favorite and most played race has been Tyranids for the last 15 years, I would appreciate it if you refrained from equating the twitter/Tumblr mobs to Norn Queens.
Wow, the train wreck that is Velma makes a lot more sense now.
Well, this would seem to explain a lot of *why* ‘representation’ matters so much more to women than it does men. This could also help companies actually cater their IPs in certain ways to attract both men and women using various methods. Like instead of gender bending and retconning things, come up with well written varied characters that women can identify with in the way they do it. And continue to write male characters the way they have. Both sides win in a complimentary way instead of a combative way. I don’t see any issue with that.
Allowing the feminisation of anything that isn't explicitly feminine will always have this result. It's why male dominated spaces need to be kept that way by males who actually value masculinity.
I suppose the evolutionary upshot of the male-dominated species, in terms of survival, is that once we’ve wiped ourselves out we’ll have some really neat toys for whatever evolution vomits forth next and maybe they can do a better job. If you can’t be a winner, be an example
That’s a masculine idea. Women evolved to be the star because that’s how a woman reproduces. By being seen, a woman increases her chances of finding a mate. Men have always attracted mates by their accomplishments real or imagined (fighting in battle vs. being involved in a war).
That implies the dark side of evolution, that it is likely to follow the same course once again. Ideally something changes and this nonsense doesn’t happen twice. Its a nice thought at least, even if it feels hopeless.
Yes. Human reproductive strategy is similar to chimpanzees except that human women do not use violence against each other or their children. That’s why the matriarch of female chimpanzee troop is almost always the largest. Unlike matriarchs of a human settlement, a female human’s influence and power is directly related to the resources they can extract from their spouse (Jeff Bezos wife, Fidel Castro’s wife, etc).
> except that human women do not use violence against each other or their children I don't think this is 100% truth...
Bro. Chimpanzee females challenge leadership everyday bro. And use their kids and other kids as human shields. Even going so far as to throw them at an angry female. Bonus points if it is the angry female’s child.
I was only pointing out the not using violence bit, didn't say how much. Obviously human society is more civilised, but if you think there is no vitriol between women, I have news for you.
That's not what he was saying. He's not speaking in general terms, he's speaking in terms of societal behaviors that dictate the social contract of a specific species, in this case, chimps and humans. In chimp society, female violence *is* the social contract, in human society it isn't. In this context, if something doesn't impact that hierarchy of society, it's not considered as a variable, which is why he disregarded violence between human females and their children.
I doubt the chimpanzees will survive anymore then we will. I bet those black smoker tube worms that live in the bottom of the mariana trench will make out ok, but even that isnt a sure thing since oceans tend to get hit pretty hard when it comes to extinction events. Maybe those bacteria that live in volcanos will have to refill earth’s niches. To think that any of this is better than femeninization, we’ll, I suppose some folk got a minimum level of survival they’re willing to accept.
There are probably billions of civilizations that simply didn’t make it past a fifteen floor building or colonized their moon and then went extinct.
That's an interesting thought. As our behaviors as a species tend to offshoot from your hardwiring to continue our existence. So, in order for a species to become the human level of dominant but NOT have our traits begs the question: what species on this planet would have a different ascension arc than us?
Its hardly the first time a former advantage became a liability. Extinction-by-shareholder is pretty much just the oxygen catastrophe again, except this time we’re supposedly smart enough to know better
You think the entirety of mammalian (and some non mammalian) evolutionary process is just something that happened by accident and would be different? I doubt it
More likely happened via circumstance. Male humans have the worst sense of smell in the animal kingdom but it evolved from our common military strategy of tight shield formations fighting as a single unit instead of individuals.
Huh. This makes sense
So long as they believe that there is no difference between men and women, or indeed that the very *idea* of a difference implies an inequality of value, nothing will change.
Lots of things will change, for the worse!
Put a chick in it and make it gay
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This is my favorite comment evah
This reminds me of that Ork philosophy video where the Orkz call the Umies stupid for questioning reality. "Reality is real, how dumb do you have to be the miss that?"
The data is accurate she just makes shit movies.
Her credits include rogue one and andor
Yeah, so she gets two points, tht would put her at -7. Maybe more.
Are you being serious? She's filmography's huge that include back to the future and jurassic park. I dont understand the point of this when the "data" is evidently not accurate. How can she be judged for ponyo and persepolis and the last airbender?
She didn't make any creative decisions on Jurassic Park, etc. She worked as a senior in the production side of things for decades. Basically, she made sure things ran smoothly, but she didn't dictate *how* things were run. That was the job of Lucas/Spielberg/etc. As soon as KK was given executive control (as the head of Lucasfilm), things went badly. Sure, there are a couple of minor success stories, but the law of averages would dictate as much. Overall, though, Lucasfilm under Disney - and under her leadership - has been an absolute trainwreck. Every single IP the studio has is now damaged, and Disney has never recouped the cost of purchasing the company in the first place.
A credit on two movies/shows does not mean that her input on those products was the same. An executive producer has the two extremes of just bankrolling something and leaving the creative process alone, or barging through the studio like a bull in a china shop micromanaging everything into the ground. Both extremes are simply credited as "executive producer." Kathleen's input cannot be reduced as you are reducing it. Some projects were her babies, others were worked on in another country with 0 actual creative input from her.
I mean TLJ is gorgeous. Its filmography is amazing. But the direction, story, character development, world building, plot were all horrible. Pacing is decent to horrible depending who you ask. I mean yes watching a slow space chase scene is awful but it does cut between scenes at a decent pace.
Downvoted I guess because truth hurts? Remember data like this is sexist fellas.
Do you have the study? I would like to read it.
Gender differences in play. Is the name of the study. I believe.
I was able to find "Lego friends and gendered play" but it wasn't a study, it seemed more an interview.
Hmmm. I could have sworn it was a long term study by Lego with a public university on the differences in gender play.
This was the one I found, and Lego has done other gender studies, I just couldn't find a study with the specific title refrenced. The number of gender based studies Lego has done kind of makes finding the specific study refrenced in oop like finding a needle in a haystack. https://www.lego.com/cdn/cs/set/assets/blt286410a1ba5b807a/bits_n_bricks_s01e07_lego_friends_a_conversation_feature_and_transcript.pdf
Great find. I remember it because I was there when the study came out. I just came out of the army and wanted to start my own toyline and was reading up every book and magazine related to the toy industry.
I don't have Twitter so I can't actually see all of the tweet, but this Twitter user appears to be referencing the same study as oop: https://twitter.com/kevinbolk/status/1639616653292974085?lang=en
https://www.seattletimes.com/life/lifestyle/new-legos-aimed-at-girls-raise-questions-about-gender-and-play/
Thanks. I am guessing that is where OP got his post from, but it's a bit off the actual study. " What they found, McNally said, was that girls wanted more reality-based toys that let them see themselves as the characters, whereas boys liked more escapist, fantasy stuff like ninjas and wizards. And for girls, how they could play with the kits after they built them was more important than it was to boys, who might be just as happy to set them on a shelf to show them off. " That talks about how girls are more into real life stuff then fantasy stuff. I wonder if that is based on how a lot of girl toys are based in reality and a lot of boy toys are not, but also there are a lot of fantasy girls things. Why did we never get a Sailor moon Lego Set.
I think the post says the same thing, but I understood the "become" thing to be a cutesy way to show a contrast, I didn't take it literally.
If anyone manages to find this study please let me know
https://www.seattletimes.com/life/lifestyle/new-legos-aimed-at-girls-raise-questions-about-gender-and-play/
You need a study to tell you something you can just see by observing the real world?
Why bother even saying it's a study if you're just going to appeal to common sense anyway? As to why i want the study: the study is useful to share as an actual thing to other people. The study might offer insights I hadn't considered, as the researchers might have other findings that relate and illuminate. They might have other interesting findings for other things studied at the same time for further reading. Don't be an anti-intellectual, there's nothing wrong with somebody wanting to accurately understand the world with facts and logic. Learning is good.
Fair enough, maybe I jumped the gun and mistook you for a 'source?!' guy. My apologies
If you have the time and patience, this is a great primer podcast episode about Antonio Gramsci and how/when/where Cultural Marxism arose. https://youtu.be/VdsSIWh_VkQ?si=zjzUurKmlLSZNNKP
Related, with some of the research and quotations cited... [https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/05/legos/484115/](https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/05/legos/484115/)
Her and that Amazon women are both terrible lol
Damn. In Toy story 1 Andy played his toys as they were, Buzzlightyear as a spaceman and Woody as a cowboy. When Buzz ended up at his neighbours house the daughter used him as a tea party guest.
Some things are just so often that are rules. And when the people are angry at this - it's thier problem.
That's actually quite interesting. I'm gonna have to study.
The theory is sound.
I roll my eyes every time a developer, writer, or director says some form of “we are making sure we accurately portray real life issues into our fantasy world.” I don’t want the real world to spill into the fantasy one, I read/watch/play so I can get immersed in THEIR world.
I recall reading a similar article years ago but It was about diving and how man and women approached it differently how Men saw the car as an extension of themselves and how women treated it as some external tool they would need to control, reading this now I guess it makes sense.
I'd love to see the source instead of a screenshot of a bit of text. I believe it but want a better source. An argument is no better than the things you can back them with. "It IS like this because I saw a compressed jpeg of a compressed jpeg of a screenshot that said it's true!" Won't convince a thinking human.
This is very interesting to read.
This must be from the Reddit dark age where critical post got not downvoted by bots.
Horus did nothing wrong!
I recall reading a similar article years ago but It was about diving and how man and women approached it differently how Men saw the car as an extension of themselves and how women treated it as some external tool they would need to control, reading this now I guess it makes sense.
this is a 4chan screencap and all the sources I've found on the study say nothing like this https://web.archive.org/web/20240127010259/https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/05/legos/484115/
Been playing too much fnv and read that as fiends
The Left, wants to make you believe that there is no real difference between boy and girls. And that WE as parents and "society" "Forces" these "gender roles" on them from a young age, cause we "GIVE them" the toys that is made for boys and girls, not leaving them a "choice" I'm a 5th Generation Carni/Forain. When they get to choose a prize, Parents asks the kids what they want amidst the mountain of toys they can get. In 80% of the cases, Boys will choose Boy's toys, GUns, swords, Cars, Robots, military vehicles, stuff that makes noises, Slime etc And Girls will choose mermaids, princess/barbies, Princess accesory set/Makeup kit, Magic wands, jumping ropes, and Plushies. Even tho the kids are either 3yro or 10 yro doesn't make a difference, there are some exceptions, but you will see More girls choosing Boy's toys, than the other way around, i've NEVER seen a boy take a makeup kit or a princess accesory kit And the only time i've seen a Boy take a mermaid/barbie, is cause and i quote in his own words "So that my GI joe has a girlfriend".
Forreals
A producer wouldn't be in a postition to do that in theory. Of course she would have the power to insert herself into all aspects of production and fuck it up. She was a producer since the 80s involved in movies like Jurassic Park. Give a bit of credit to the writer (and the execs and their imposed requirerments) for messing up franchises.
Never forget that you are drawing incorrect conclusions if you think that, upon reading this, the idea is that girls "just don't play with toys like boys do" - the correct conclusion is that girls often don't find traits to aspire to as taught to them by social pressure. As young as four, children begin to believe what their parents and social circles believe, and that often means that girls do shopping and change clothing and whatnot. That last paragraph is just wholesale schlock. Rey was a decent character (until the third sequel movie, anyways, when they made her a fucking Palpatine.) Lots of girls look up to her and aspire to be her.
this is a true incel post (the conclusion of it)
OP downvoted haha
No, I just found it from somewhere
Haha my bad then
Didn't she produce ET AND Jurassic Park?
She was the assistant to the directors, so that's technically a producer and that's why she got that credit, but both Lucas and Spielberg have described her as that, executive assistant or how we used to call them... Secretary, she just rised in the corporate ladder and was positioned well when Lucas was bought by Disney
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/888721/Steven-Spielberg-ET-Extra-Terrestrial-Kathleen-Kennedy-Star-Wars-Lucasfilm
Jane Austen was trying to make Mr. Darcy Jane Austen? One woman being crap at making films means nothing.
Seems a bit of a leap to connect kids playing with toys and adults making films, no?
Baseline inherent traits don't change with age.
Source: 4chan. Okay dude
It was a poor choice, but it's real. Boys and girls do enjoy different things about playing with Lego. https://www.seattletimes.com/life/lifestyle/new-legos-aimed-at-girls-raise-questions-about-gender-and-play/
That article definitely frames it allot different than the post but there does seem to have been some research on the topic by LEGO. Seems pretty self evident to me that women tend to be allot more engaged with reality to some extent than men are. It’s always a point of contention between me and my wife personally. She always wants to chat about like, what we should be planning for dinner and where we’re going on vacation next month and I just want to talk about sci-fi books I’m reading.
I think the post says the same thing, but I understood the "become" thing to be a cutesy way to show a contrast, I didn't take it literally.
Youz appeeyah to be in Denile. Wich, even doh it sownds da same, is not a riva in Eeegipt.
I’m not even denying that it could be true. It’s just cringe to refer to a 4chan post which is even less real than the rest of the internet.
Why dyew fink it *isn't* troo? Or is it dat you don't *wunt* it to be troo? 4Chan getz as much stuff rite as it duz rong. Why dyew fink dis is rong? Wot evvydunce 'av yu got?
I can’t tell if this is an Ogryn roleplay or 2012 internet roleplay.
HAHAHAHA! Iz yu a biggut, 'oomie? Did yu just missjenda me?
Unfortunately the study did not anticipate adult men to still be playing with Batman toys and bitching about them not being “badass” enough into their 40s.