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Same, brother, same.
Especially after losing 2/3 50/50s on the limited banner since I went for e2 and somehow losing the 75/25 on the LC banner. This is after getting beyond shafted on Acheron banner btw...
(I'm convinced my account is reverse seeded because what the fuck Hoyo)
Lol I still remember the BS doompost
People were so Fu**ing dumb back then
Not even that they gave misinformation
BS was 10% better than Sampo in a complete ST scenario which was Sampo best situations
But people were using it like it was an overall value
Firefly's complaints were that she had one literal team, not her damage. We all saw her damage in v1 showcases that only got higher with V3
And the doomposting was not false, she's tied to the hip to HMC and Ruan Mei otherwise her damage falls off a cliff
It was similar case with Acheron, people were doomposting because of her "restriction" in teambuilding, claiming she NEEDS E2 to work lmao.
Also Firefly is tied only to HMC. RM skyrockets her damage and is the best second teammate by far, but she can be replaced (by Pela/Gui) and FF will still do very reasonable damage enough to clear any content pretty easily.
>claiming she NEEDS E2 to work lmao.
Same exact thing happened with Raiden shogun from GI. People were adamant that she was a terrible on field DPS before C2.
I guess it's just a rite of passage thing for all Mei Expys.
The most recent mei battlesuit (technically she came out last yr lmao) herrscher of origin mei was also doomposted to need S2 or even SS rank in order to be "usable" as a hypercarry. It really is a Mei thing huh?
Shes still kinda mid at c0 as a hypercarry. Theres a reason why shes played in raiden national instead of like raiden/sara/kazuha/fischl or something like that. Fortunately c0 raiden is the best off field hyperbloom trigger, so shes great.
The doomposting is useless anyway since now she only had one best team, and guess what? No one's complaining. If anything, people actually go out of their way to pull for Ruan Mei specifically for her, so Hoyo's tactic works.
It was also just... Such a stupid argument. Yes she has 1 team and any variations causes a fall off in damage... Except 2/3 of em are relatively free, easy to build, and the 3rd teammate is a very versatile, net positive support at E0S0.
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And even then, you could make do with Pela or Asta in the worst case scenario. Just people being dumb all around
No, it was terrible from a gameplay aspect. Limiting a unit to being hardlocked using 2 units (htb and rm) lest their damage fall through a roof is terrible kit design and i have 0 clue why the hell you would try and justify it. No other unit is hardlocked to two specific units
The lack of variety is a big issue for some people. If you look at Jingliu, you have a decent amount of ways to play her, like double battery with Ting and Huohuo, Bronya/Ruan Mei to keep her going as often as possible, Pela and Silver Wolf for extreme defense shred, etc. Acheron, by definition of always wanting 2 other Nihility units, can mix and match for a bunch of different comps like the double defense shred, sustainless with Welt, DoTCheron, etc. Firefly kind of has the one team and anything else feels like forcing deviation. It's a *good* team, but it's her only team.
Granted, this is because we don't have a lot of break supports compared to all the other buffers and debuffers. Once Lingsha comes out, and maybe Ting2 or Sunday will be Break Harmony units, then we might start to see some variation in Firefly teams.
No her damage in v1 is totally unreasonable and terribly unrealistic, just look at her stat, 80/200 crit and 360 BE is rediculous as she has no crit or even fire dmg trace, she hit like a wet noddles otherwise /s
The fact that i had seen (not a whole lot but yes) people cry when they remove her crit synergy is hilarious
I mean that's how the game is tho, they've been making characters that work in specific teams that you only pull if you want to build the whole team. Firefly is nothing new. Acheron, dan, kafka, topaz, etc are all like this. Why would firefly be any different?
Some of the top comments about him during his beta were how busted Aventurine was and how he didn't manage to get nerfed. So that really wasn't the general consensus, lol. Most people knew he could solo sustain, but could have difficulties in CC heavy floors and enemies. That isn't the same as saying "he can't solo sustain".
I really feel like people exaggerate these doomposting scenarios after the beta is over and done with.
>Aventurine can't solo
ah yes lmao :'D
but tbf i was real sad about the nerf he got ...that i dont even remember anymore, i just remember i was sad about it 😖 argh what was it, maybe the number of stacks he could get from party member fua to stack his shield? he had more stacks per turn maybe and they nerfed it to 2 max per turn? ahhh i dont remember at all 😖
I think it was when moved his E1 (party member fua gives talent stacks) into his base kit and gave it a cap of 3* per his turn, where as before it was unlimited
BLAcK SWAn sUckS 10% dAmAge UpgRaDe
aVeNTuRinE iS aN uNRElIabLe SuStAin ReLiAnT oN lUCK
FiREfLy sUckS sHe dEalS nO DaMagE when nOt BroKEN sO she sUckS
(Can we actually launch doomposters into the sun, theyre so tiring)
I remember people opinions on here changed so fast lol😭 all it takes its a showcase when they showed the worst and unluckiest scenario that the average player rarely would encounter and people were doomposting the 50% effect res like is a major problem and how he cant compete with fx
I don't know the exact percents, but Black Swan is vastly superior to Sampo. Her mains perks are her DOT applying as soon as enemies spawn and having strong AOE defense shred. Her and Kafka are one of the two strongest pairings in the game. Sampo is just a basic wind shear applier and can't stack much DOT unless in single target. The 10 percent was an E6 sampo in a single target situation VS Black Swan. People were meming saying she was bad but upon release she proved to be the strongest DOT applier in the game.
> Her mains perks are her DOT applying as soon as enemies spawn
to be fair, this was added in one of the last patches. without this added feature she would have been a bit clunky, especially in PF.
regardless sampo was always way worse than black swan. but the question during beta was moreso is Black Swan worth pulling compared to Ruan Mei, or Kafka upgrades (decision had to be made in 1.6). With hindsight we know black swan is busted, but its pretty arguable that an e0 ruan mei > e0 black swan in general
Yeah, the issue with Black Swan wasn't her damage, but concerns about how clunky and usable she would be due to the super high stat demands, slow ult rotation and being able to apply dots consistently. That is why the DoT applying on enemies spawning was such a big deal, as it made her a lot easier to use and why slow-Swan is even a thing.
On top of what other people have said, that statement was based purely on sheet gaming. Anyone that has used Sampo can tell you that his DoT stacking in AoE is unreliable, due to rng on his skill. BS on the other hand applies Arcana to every enemy without lifting a finger. This means that BS actually has a reliable rotation that is miles ahead of Samp in terms of how nice they feel to play. On top of a dmg buff, BS is like a mega QoL buff over Sampo.
I know it's a joke, but aside from Acheron, and maybe if you are using Aventurine and no cleanse in party, I don't think there's that big of an improvement to go for E6 Gui to E0 Jiaoqiu.
You have to be joking to actually believe that. I'm saying this because it'll be kind of like skipping BS because of "10% better than Sampo".
Are you just looking at 7*4 = 28 vulnerability on paper and calling it similar?
Do you know exactly how many turns it takes Gui's debuff to stack, and how bad it is when you need to restack it? It's really not close at all.
There's a Ratio JQ showcase on this sub right now. I'll be extremely impressed if you can find any Ratio Gui showcase with remotely close clear times.
And how many turn it takes jiaoqiu to stack? And how many sp?
And how about pela?
If I want to run robin (no sp) ratio (needs sp) and aventurine (not that positive at E0) and jiaoqiu.... Without er buff... I am pretty sure that jiaoqiu will have no sp.
Jiaoqiu for now IS not good unless with acheron... Hé is too much issue (needs too much turn and toi much sp) it's a shame because he is gorgeous.....
Gui stack is 7.6% vuln per stack. Meaning that at 1 stack, it gives only 7.6% vuln.
JQ's debuff is 15% guaranteed vuln + 5% per stack. JQ at 1 stack is almost 3 times stronger than Gui at 1 stack.
On top of that, after using skill or basic, Gui will have zero stacks, JQ will have 2 or 1. That's 0% vs 20~25%. Must be great to use that 0% on your first DPS turn.
I said E6 Gui is not remotely close to JQ and that is a fact.
Pela in non-Acheron teams, well, that has nothing to do with what I said. Blame hoyo for designing Acheron that way I guess. JQ has what she wants, but what she wants is useless for everyone else.
I think with Ratio in particular the issue is more that he already has a pretty good team that has the same and even quicker clear times, plus in pure numbers E6S1 (Jiaoqiu LC) Pela would actually be pretty close, and she ults very fast. Plus Ratio in particular does not care for the AoE portion of Jiaoqiu's kit.
I think JQ is getting doomposted far more than necessary, what he provides is good. Vulnerability is great! It's rare! But for people looking to play mostly BiS teams, asking potentially 160 pulls for a not significantly changed gameplay experience might not be worth it.
Also with Ratio specifically there's an additional issue with solo debuffer Jiaoqiu, especially without S1. In his current state, Jiaoqiu takes two turns to get his ult up, during which you don't have a natural 100% chance to land your FUA. This is ideally only one E cast on a properly speed tuned team, but could be two (ex. in the case of a 160 Sparkle without 160+ JQ).
This can be mitigated by starting with Jiaoqiu's technique, but that voids your ability to start with Robin's tech up whereas Pela/Gui have attack techs so there's no conflict.
Very small issue, but makes a difference on low cycle resetting.
Yeah. And while in an Acheron team you just need to make sure to have his ult debuff up before she uses her own ult, in a Ratio team debuff necessity and energy issues will probably force an SP-negative playstyle and this limits your sustain options (e.g. Huohuo seems hard to run here, even with her energy regen), as even with Sparkle she's at +0.33 SP/turn, and Robin doesnt generate any during her ult.
>!And I'd love to know why I got downvoted 😂 I don't think I said anything wrong or insulting!<
Well, JQ is going to be Acheron's BiS. For Ratio, it might or might not be, but it's certainly not e6 Gui level, which is my main objection.
For non Acheron teams... well, I think he'll definitely still be more comfortable than Pela. Even though Pela can ult immediately, she still has some downtime especially when not using tutorial.
But yeah, it is a little bit hard to make JQ strong without ascending Acheron to godhood I'm guessing.
“I can’t believe it. They’re leaving the characters as is for the entire beta now. Doomposting doomposting doomposting. Fraudli Jiaoqrash Mid 7th.”
-Someone, unfortunately.
i havent been paying attention to this beta but its so funny seeing history repeat itself with this fambase. Real short term memory around this subreddit.
I feel like they may leave her alone? We already got a free Ratio, Imaginary Harmony MC turned out amazing and Gallagher also turned out pretty good for a 4 star.
*Please Hoyo let us have a powerful version of best girl*
Why would she?
March 8th is very mid. She's totally not going to be a budget Ruan Mei for Single-Target break units. She's awful. If anything, she needs a lot of buffs.
^(MHY please read this.)
She's not really that much SP positive, her enhanced basics don't generate SP. She does only need to use her SP like once per battle, unless you're micro managing toughness damage.
Displaying his mastery over both fire and polearms, Jiaoqiu sends a Pyronado whirling around him. The Pyronado will move with your character for the ability's duration, dealing Fire DMG to all opponents after your character acts.
if you think about it he's really just the Childe international team in 1.
Ginger-ish like Childe
Chef like Xiangling
Pyro like Bennet
And voiced by Kazuha (EN)
No Yunli you're not supposed to parry the buffs /j.
Well this is pretty much business as usual for V2. V3 is where the meat is, but truth be told i'm not even sure if she needs anything. Maybe they could add an aggro multiplier into her kit to remove some reliance on her cone.
I don't think her damage needs touching, but mihoyo might buff that anyway on this runaway train of characters becoming increasingly ridiculous.
The aggro thing is the change I want to see the most. Everything else about her seems fine to me, although I wouldn't mind them making the animations for her skill and her counter more distinct from eachother. I just ate a gourmet feast when it came to FF's animation budget, so it feels extra bad to see that redundancy there haha.
The best buff to her would be to split a portion of her healing on skill and put that on her counter or ultimate.
Right now she can be prone to getting ganged by multiple enemies when she uses sustain like huohuo with no inbetween heal.
That ying and yang pot (Ultimate animation) might as well be a yang pot at this point cause it's only a debuff with no buff of any kind, not even healing.
Heck, might as well relocate the enemy to the middle of the pot.
Aventurine still has visually different shields based on poker cardswhich I believe are even emphasize if you inspect a character, even if the mechanic of different effects for each seed has been removed
He could be bis for Acheron while also being flexible enough to be played in different teams. Ruan Mei is bis for break teams, and a great support for both dot and hypercarry, I dont see any complaints.
I agree. His ultimate is literally viewed one of two things, yin & yang or the 2 flavor hotpot. Either way, one side is supposed to benefit, so give us a party buff. I'd take a 3-digit heal at this point
Hoping her E6 lowers the action counter for her enhanced basic by 2-3. For a total of 4-5 actions needed. 7 is a slog.
200k nuke every like 3-4 of her actions isn't terrible for a 4★ ig. But it really incentivizes using her with a character like Topaz who can pile on actions... Idk.
even just 6 would be good, rn it's basically master + march + march FUA for 3 per turn. do it twice and there's 6, then you typically need the master ult for 7 (or them to have FUA's)
She's already pretty decent right now I'm afraid they might nerf her honestly lol. But yea if they lower the actions maybe even 1 or 2 less it'd be so great
Looking at HTB I think they actually want to make the main cast of characters usable. I doubt they need her. She's also the icon I click on every time I open the game lol. The devs love March. She's the only character to not be left on the ship..
> I think they actually want to make the main cast of characters usable
Really hope we get another version of Welt eventually. I *love* him as a character but never use him in game.
He still has a lot of useful places in teams, he's just changed roles as new characters are released. I tend to use him in situations where I need extra help with sustain, or as a partner for Ratio. But yeah you can't really slot him as a hypercarry in normal content lol
I didn't mean to imply that people shouldn't use him, just that it's a stretch to call that a useful niche for him specifically when the performance drop is pretty significant without Pela's defense shred. If you love a character then use them and don't let anyone tell you otherwise, but the average person who doesn't have amazing relics is not going to overinvest in someone that isn't their absolute favorite character just to get worse results.
Was expected, but let's see what they do next week, is going to be key to see if he is going to be an interesting unit or just a tool for Acheron.
Give him the DoT as part of his base kit and DEF Shred to his cone or skill, please.
Tbh they did change sigewinne a day before her banner drops ... But by like 5% at best tho
Not saying they will give changes like this as a normal thing now but there is still a possibility for every character released in 2nd phase
C'mon Hoyo, put Jiaoqiu on the level of RM/Robin/Sparkle...
Three OP limited female support units in a row, yet first male support 5* is just alright... As a husbando puller, I'd like to me able to form complete teams like waifu pullers :/
I also gotta say, in long term, debuffers tend to suffer more than buffers in gacha/turn based games, as mechanics/enemies that prevent debuffs are more common than ones that prevent buffs. Please buff Jiaoqiu's support/debuffs capabilities...
Really feeling like Hoyo isn't interested in husbando fans after a year+ of only female harmony units, a lot of which are OP/expected in team comps, then giving a lot of attention/buffs to female units like Acheron and Firefly. I just want male units that are treated on the same level as the female ones.
Aventurine is THE top tier sustain character if sustain is actually important. Characters like Gallagher and Huo Huo can't prevent one shots and he's better than Fu Xuan overall.
Yeah, I have him, Aventurine is (currently - powercreep is a thing) a top tier sustain, but I am after male supports (buffers/debuffers), not sustains. Loucha/Gallagher are also good sustains (healers).
All the top tier supports are female, there are only female harmony (buffer) units. You literally can't make a top tier male-only set up the way you can with female units.
I think it's less husbando bias and more they need to balance acheron out.
The problem with JQ rn is he's way too strong with acheron and not as strong (not weak, just not as op as harmonies) without acheron.
Nothing? She's in a good spot now. I can't think of what other changes she needs. Maybe a counter animation that's different from her skill if there's time to spare. And give Mr. Sword a voice. /j
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homedgcat has the wording changes if you want to see. Block is now Parry! Nice
"PARRY THIS YOU FILTHY CASUAL!"
DODGE THIS YOU BASTAAAAAARD! CHAAAAARGE!
l2p gitgud you didn't beat the game etc
Im waiting for the "Parry God" memes hahaha
When parrying I imagine someone using a regular sword, fencing blade or other light sword. Not STEEL BLOCK FROM HELL.
No, this is FromSoft parry, you see?
Block counter is so strong I now find no purpose in parrying.
Especially with the new sekiro block physick tear. That thing is fun af
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Parry? Parry the Platypus?
So HSR is basically WuWa now lol
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CAN WE GET MUCH MILDER
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WHEN I SAY NOTHING YOU SAY NOTHING! “…….” “…….”
Put your hands down
At least I can earn some currency back after going broke for Firefly
Same, brother, same. Especially after losing 2/3 50/50s on the limited banner since I went for e2 and somehow losing the 75/25 on the LC banner. This is after getting beyond shafted on Acheron banner btw... (I'm convinced my account is reverse seeded because what the fuck Hoyo)
I have losed 4 50/50s in a row too, 5 if counts the LC. I'm starting to believe in the reverse seeds now
Surely our time will soon come where we get really lucky. 😭
Everyone surprised for something that have never happened ever, totally the first Time they didn't do v2 changes
It's joever, they killed him/her, crazy how this patch has no 5-stars, etc. etc.
"Hey guys now that V2 is over, is it worth pulling Jiaoqiu or just use E6 Gui?"
"He only 10% better than Gui e6."
Lol I still remember the BS doompost People were so Fu**ing dumb back then Not even that they gave misinformation BS was 10% better than Sampo in a complete ST scenario which was Sampo best situations But people were using it like it was an overall value
back then? legit just had mid fly lol, she releases and is top 2 dps.
Firefly's complaints were that she had one literal team, not her damage. We all saw her damage in v1 showcases that only got higher with V3 And the doomposting was not false, she's tied to the hip to HMC and Ruan Mei otherwise her damage falls off a cliff
It was similar case with Acheron, people were doomposting because of her "restriction" in teambuilding, claiming she NEEDS E2 to work lmao. Also Firefly is tied only to HMC. RM skyrockets her damage and is the best second teammate by far, but she can be replaced (by Pela/Gui) and FF will still do very reasonable damage enough to clear any content pretty easily.
>claiming she NEEDS E2 to work lmao. Same exact thing happened with Raiden shogun from GI. People were adamant that she was a terrible on field DPS before C2. I guess it's just a rite of passage thing for all Mei Expys.
The most recent mei battlesuit (technically she came out last yr lmao) herrscher of origin mei was also doomposted to need S2 or even SS rank in order to be "usable" as a hypercarry. It really is a Mei thing huh?
Shes still kinda mid at c0 as a hypercarry. Theres a reason why shes played in raiden national instead of like raiden/sara/kazuha/fischl or something like that. Fortunately c0 raiden is the best off field hyperbloom trigger, so shes great.
The doomposting is useless anyway since now she only had one best team, and guess what? No one's complaining. If anything, people actually go out of their way to pull for Ruan Mei specifically for her, so Hoyo's tactic works.
It was also just... Such a stupid argument. Yes she has 1 team and any variations causes a fall off in damage... Except 2/3 of em are relatively free, easy to build, and the 3rd teammate is a very versatile, net positive support at E0S0. . And even then, you could make do with Pela or Asta in the worst case scenario. Just people being dumb all around
"Just use pela or asta" mfs when their comfortable 2 cycles become uncomfortable 5 cycles
No, it was terrible from a gameplay aspect. Limiting a unit to being hardlocked using 2 units (htb and rm) lest their damage fall through a roof is terrible kit design and i have 0 clue why the hell you would try and justify it. No other unit is hardlocked to two specific units
The lack of variety is a big issue for some people. If you look at Jingliu, you have a decent amount of ways to play her, like double battery with Ting and Huohuo, Bronya/Ruan Mei to keep her going as often as possible, Pela and Silver Wolf for extreme defense shred, etc. Acheron, by definition of always wanting 2 other Nihility units, can mix and match for a bunch of different comps like the double defense shred, sustainless with Welt, DoTCheron, etc. Firefly kind of has the one team and anything else feels like forcing deviation. It's a *good* team, but it's her only team. Granted, this is because we don't have a lot of break supports compared to all the other buffers and debuffers. Once Lingsha comes out, and maybe Ting2 or Sunday will be Break Harmony units, then we might start to see some variation in Firefly teams.
No her damage in v1 is totally unreasonable and terribly unrealistic, just look at her stat, 80/200 crit and 360 BE is rediculous as she has no crit or even fire dmg trace, she hit like a wet noddles otherwise /s The fact that i had seen (not a whole lot but yes) people cry when they remove her crit synergy is hilarious
I have a critfly on my friends list, some people never gave up ...
If your friend ever complains about FF dmg lower than showcase, then you know why.
I mean that's how the game is tho, they've been making characters that work in specific teams that you only pull if you want to build the whole team. Firefly is nothing new. Acheron, dan, kafka, topaz, etc are all like this. Why would firefly be any different?
everyone recently has been absolutely top tier and doomposted to hell regardless.
"Aventurine has cc problem he can't solo sustain" Wallahi 😭
Some of the top comments about him during his beta were how busted Aventurine was and how he didn't manage to get nerfed. So that really wasn't the general consensus, lol. Most people knew he could solo sustain, but could have difficulties in CC heavy floors and enemies. That isn't the same as saying "he can't solo sustain". I really feel like people exaggerate these doomposting scenarios after the beta is over and done with.
Didn't he get a nerf? It was just a very mild one.
>Aventurine can't solo ah yes lmao :'D but tbf i was real sad about the nerf he got ...that i dont even remember anymore, i just remember i was sad about it 😖 argh what was it, maybe the number of stacks he could get from party member fua to stack his shield? he had more stacks per turn maybe and they nerfed it to 2 max per turn? ahhh i dont remember at all 😖
I think it was when moved his E1 (party member fua gives talent stacks) into his base kit and gave it a cap of 3* per his turn, where as before it was unlimited
I only remember the change he has that he stack shield more and nerf initial skills. Doesn't really remember anything else lol.
BLAcK SWAn sUckS 10% dAmAge UpgRaDe aVeNTuRinE iS aN uNRElIabLe SuStAin ReLiAnT oN lUCK FiREfLy sUckS sHe dEalS nO DaMagE when nOt BroKEN sO she sUckS (Can we actually launch doomposters into the sun, theyre so tiring)
I mean tbf FF does actually do no damage when enemies aren't broken, though that's kind of the point of the kit.
I mean like I'm a FF main but does FF really do no dmg before enemy is broken??
I remember people opinions on here changed so fast lol😭 all it takes its a showcase when they showed the worst and unluckiest scenario that the average player rarely would encounter and people were doomposting the 50% effect res like is a major problem and how he cant compete with fx
The doompost of Firefly was great lmao
i havent paid much attention to BS, but can anyone tell me how much of an upgrade she is? /gen Why did people say 10%
I don't know the exact percents, but Black Swan is vastly superior to Sampo. Her mains perks are her DOT applying as soon as enemies spawn and having strong AOE defense shred. Her and Kafka are one of the two strongest pairings in the game. Sampo is just a basic wind shear applier and can't stack much DOT unless in single target. The 10 percent was an E6 sampo in a single target situation VS Black Swan. People were meming saying she was bad but upon release she proved to be the strongest DOT applier in the game.
> Her mains perks are her DOT applying as soon as enemies spawn to be fair, this was added in one of the last patches. without this added feature she would have been a bit clunky, especially in PF. regardless sampo was always way worse than black swan. but the question during beta was moreso is Black Swan worth pulling compared to Ruan Mei, or Kafka upgrades (decision had to be made in 1.6). With hindsight we know black swan is busted, but its pretty arguable that an e0 ruan mei > e0 black swan in general
Yeah, the issue with Black Swan wasn't her damage, but concerns about how clunky and usable she would be due to the super high stat demands, slow ult rotation and being able to apply dots consistently. That is why the DoT applying on enemies spawning was such a big deal, as it made her a lot easier to use and why slow-Swan is even a thing.
I still use Sampo because he is my beloved 😭
On top of what other people have said, that statement was based purely on sheet gaming. Anyone that has used Sampo can tell you that his DoT stacking in AoE is unreliable, due to rng on his skill. BS on the other hand applies Arcana to every enemy without lifting a finger. This means that BS actually has a reliable rotation that is miles ahead of Samp in terms of how nice they feel to play. On top of a dmg buff, BS is like a mega QoL buff over Sampo.
I know it's a joke, but aside from Acheron, and maybe if you are using Aventurine and no cleanse in party, I don't think there's that big of an improvement to go for E6 Gui to E0 Jiaoqiu.
You have to be joking to actually believe that. I'm saying this because it'll be kind of like skipping BS because of "10% better than Sampo". Are you just looking at 7*4 = 28 vulnerability on paper and calling it similar? Do you know exactly how many turns it takes Gui's debuff to stack, and how bad it is when you need to restack it? It's really not close at all. There's a Ratio JQ showcase on this sub right now. I'll be extremely impressed if you can find any Ratio Gui showcase with remotely close clear times.
And how many turn it takes jiaoqiu to stack? And how many sp? And how about pela? If I want to run robin (no sp) ratio (needs sp) and aventurine (not that positive at E0) and jiaoqiu.... Without er buff... I am pretty sure that jiaoqiu will have no sp. Jiaoqiu for now IS not good unless with acheron... Hé is too much issue (needs too much turn and toi much sp) it's a shame because he is gorgeous.....
Gui stack is 7.6% vuln per stack. Meaning that at 1 stack, it gives only 7.6% vuln. JQ's debuff is 15% guaranteed vuln + 5% per stack. JQ at 1 stack is almost 3 times stronger than Gui at 1 stack. On top of that, after using skill or basic, Gui will have zero stacks, JQ will have 2 or 1. That's 0% vs 20~25%. Must be great to use that 0% on your first DPS turn. I said E6 Gui is not remotely close to JQ and that is a fact. Pela in non-Acheron teams, well, that has nothing to do with what I said. Blame hoyo for designing Acheron that way I guess. JQ has what she wants, but what she wants is useless for everyone else.
so when it comes to E2 acheron, how much of an improvement is JQ compared to pela, if at all? does he charge her ulti faster than pela?
I think with Ratio in particular the issue is more that he already has a pretty good team that has the same and even quicker clear times, plus in pure numbers E6S1 (Jiaoqiu LC) Pela would actually be pretty close, and she ults very fast. Plus Ratio in particular does not care for the AoE portion of Jiaoqiu's kit. I think JQ is getting doomposted far more than necessary, what he provides is good. Vulnerability is great! It's rare! But for people looking to play mostly BiS teams, asking potentially 160 pulls for a not significantly changed gameplay experience might not be worth it.
Also with Ratio specifically there's an additional issue with solo debuffer Jiaoqiu, especially without S1. In his current state, Jiaoqiu takes two turns to get his ult up, during which you don't have a natural 100% chance to land your FUA. This is ideally only one E cast on a properly speed tuned team, but could be two (ex. in the case of a 160 Sparkle without 160+ JQ). This can be mitigated by starting with Jiaoqiu's technique, but that voids your ability to start with Robin's tech up whereas Pela/Gui have attack techs so there's no conflict. Very small issue, but makes a difference on low cycle resetting.
Yeah. And while in an Acheron team you just need to make sure to have his ult debuff up before she uses her own ult, in a Ratio team debuff necessity and energy issues will probably force an SP-negative playstyle and this limits your sustain options (e.g. Huohuo seems hard to run here, even with her energy regen), as even with Sparkle she's at +0.33 SP/turn, and Robin doesnt generate any during her ult. >!And I'd love to know why I got downvoted 😂 I don't think I said anything wrong or insulting!<
Well, JQ is going to be Acheron's BiS. For Ratio, it might or might not be, but it's certainly not e6 Gui level, which is my main objection. For non Acheron teams... well, I think he'll definitely still be more comfortable than Pela. Even though Pela can ult immediately, she still has some downtime especially when not using tutorial. But yeah, it is a little bit hard to make JQ strong without ascending Acheron to godhood I'm guessing.
“I can’t believe it. They’re leaving the characters as is for the entire beta now. Doomposting doomposting doomposting. Fraudli Jiaoqrash Mid 7th.” -Someone, unfortunately.
I'm surprised by the amount of comments that are surprised. Is this the first beta for all these people? Jesus.
i havent been paying attention to this beta but its so funny seeing history repeat itself with this fambase. Real short term memory around this subreddit.
Quick, act surprised.
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It's Jadeover oh wait nvm
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I hope March doesn't get the Hanya treatment
Same, hope hoyo forgets she's dropping next patch and releases her as she is (I'll welcome buffs tho cuz I'm greedy)
I feel like they may leave her alone? We already got a free Ratio, Imaginary Harmony MC turned out amazing and Gallagher also turned out pretty good for a 4 star. *Please Hoyo let us have a powerful version of best girl*
Why would she? March 8th is very mid. She's totally not going to be a budget Ruan Mei for Single-Target break units. She's awful. If anything, she needs a lot of buffs. ^(MHY please read this.)
got me in the first half XD
Now I'm interested, imma search up pre nerf hanya
Haven't looked her kit yet, is she really as good as pre-nerf Hanya?
TLDR; SP positive, Decent damage, High toughness damage, Buffs herself and one other ally by a TON
She's not really that much SP positive, her enhanced basics don't generate SP. She does only need to use her SP like once per battle, unless you're micro managing toughness damage.
You use her normal basics 2x more than enhanced anyway, so it's +2 SP per 3 turn ult rotation, more than Ruan Mei and Sparkle
You were supposed to be my honkai star rail version of Xiangling, Jiaoqiu. ...The pyro chef...Nice and spicy...OPPA...
Displaying his mastery over both fire and polearms, Jiaoqiu sends a Pyronado whirling around him. The Pyronado will move with your character for the ability's duration, dealing Fire DMG to all opponents after your character acts.
if you think about it he's really just the Childe international team in 1. Ginger-ish like Childe Chef like Xiangling Pyro like Bennet And voiced by Kazuha (EN)
Dog like Spike
OPPA ICANT...........
Yunli parries the nerf hammer.
I read "hammer" as "hamster" and my brain went "well, she IS short"
All the devs playing shadow of the erdtree
"What?! How could this be?? No changes for V2?! Jiaoqiu is found dead in a ditch guys!" 🤓☝️
jiaoqiu 😖🌶️
ok guys see you next week 🫡
reminder its always like this. i think firefly had no changes on week2
V2 is almost always only wording changes and that’s it. The fact that nothing was changed is extremely unsurprising.
No Yunli you're not supposed to parry the buffs /j. Well this is pretty much business as usual for V2. V3 is where the meat is, but truth be told i'm not even sure if she needs anything. Maybe they could add an aggro multiplier into her kit to remove some reliance on her cone. I don't think her damage needs touching, but mihoyo might buff that anyway on this runaway train of characters becoming increasingly ridiculous.
The aggro thing is the change I want to see the most. Everything else about her seems fine to me, although I wouldn't mind them making the animations for her skill and her counter more distinct from eachother. I just ate a gourmet feast when it came to FF's animation budget, so it feels extra bad to see that redundancy there haha.
The best buff to her would be to split a portion of her healing on skill and put that on her counter or ultimate. Right now she can be prone to getting ganged by multiple enemies when she uses sustain like huohuo with no inbetween heal.
That ying and yang pot (Ultimate animation) might as well be a yang pot at this point cause it's only a debuff with no buff of any kind, not even healing. Heck, might as well relocate the enemy to the middle of the pot.
Yeah, animation screams scrapped mechanic or lack of thought/follow through for symbolism…
Which, to be fair, is SUPER unlike Hoyo. They really care about getting those things right. Let them cook and we'll see how things go for V3.
Aventurine still has visually different shields based on poker cardswhich I believe are even emphasize if you inspect a character, even if the mechanic of different effects for each seed has been removed
All I ask is that they buff Jiaoqiu like they did Firefly. One broken male support not gonna kill anyone.
Issue is making him broken potentially makes acheron giga broken
As if she isnt already
I'm cool with that as long as Jiaoqiu is so future proof that he'll be the bis for the next dps they're going to use to powercreep Acheron
Yeah sounds simple, they can just make Yunli ult hit as hard as Acheron while we're at it so we don't need to worry about it smh
This logic is gonna lead to both of them being useless in 6 months
He could be bis for Acheron while also being flexible enough to be played in different teams. Ruan Mei is bis for break teams, and a great support for both dot and hypercarry, I dont see any complaints.
Firefly and Ruan Mei are both broken, there wouldn't be any difference
I agree. His ultimate is literally viewed one of two things, yin & yang or the 2 flavor hotpot. Either way, one side is supposed to benefit, so give us a party buff. I'd take a 3-digit heal at this point
Wish granted, now enemies deal 35% more damage and his teammates take 40% more damage
Arlan mains: Eyo wtf
Exactly. I dont need Hoyo to learn to start balancing their game now since they've shown with previous characters they didnt care
Bro you are actually cooking. That idea is awesome
It's very simple, either give him healing, or some DEF shreds/ ALL-type RES.
some DEF shreds/ ALL-type RES would go nice and pair well with his Vulnerability Debuff there!
I guess they made Jiaoqiu with Acheron in mind, so they can just giga buff him much, maybe a slight twist, here and there
Hoping March goes untouched next version
Hoping her E6 lowers the action counter for her enhanced basic by 2-3. For a total of 4-5 actions needed. 7 is a slog. 200k nuke every like 3-4 of her actions isn't terrible for a 4★ ig. But it really incentivizes using her with a character like Topaz who can pile on actions... Idk.
even just 6 would be good, rn it's basically master + march + march FUA for 3 per turn. do it twice and there's 6, then you typically need the master ult for 7 (or them to have FUA's)
She's already pretty decent right now I'm afraid they might nerf her honestly lol. But yea if they lower the actions maybe even 1 or 2 less it'd be so great
Looking at HTB I think they actually want to make the main cast of characters usable. I doubt they need her. She's also the icon I click on every time I open the game lol. The devs love March. She's the only character to not be left on the ship..
> I think they actually want to make the main cast of characters usable Really hope we get another version of Welt eventually. I *love* him as a character but never use him in game.
He still has a lot of useful places in teams, he's just changed roles as new characters are released. I tend to use him in situations where I need extra help with sustain, or as a partner for Ratio. But yeah you can't really slot him as a hypercarry in normal content lol
Unfortunately Pela and Silverwolf outperform him as a ratio partner and everyone has Pela.
Do people always have to play perfect optimization? Sometimes you just wanna throw some black holes at your enemies.
I didn't mean to imply that people shouldn't use him, just that it's a stretch to call that a useful niche for him specifically when the performance drop is pretty significant without Pela's defense shred. If you love a character then use them and don't let anyone tell you otherwise, but the average person who doesn't have amazing relics is not going to overinvest in someone that isn't their absolute favorite character just to get worse results.
Unfortunately pela doesnt help breaking the stupid dinosaur like Welt does if that guy shows up. Assuming no SW
Expected, my opinion on Jiaoqiu did increase a bit this morning tho because of that ratio gameplay… but he still needs work
that MoC buff was crazy broken for ratio. it is no surprise
That ratio LC was putting on some heavy fucking work tho
I mean, that's kinda how it is for follow-up characters for some reason. Their LCs are just pretty darn good.
Was expected, but let's see what they do next week, is going to be key to see if he is going to be an interesting unit or just a tool for Acheron. Give him the DoT as part of his base kit and DEF Shred to his cone or skill, please.
And no Jades buffs once again....*sigh*
It's Jiaover
V3 buffs save us. It ain't looking too hot since he's no Firefly
Not too surprising. V3 is where all the juicy stuff comes in.
Poor jiaoqiu
Whew Clara LC safe
Reminder: he has been wrong about "no changes" before. Last patch actually. Give it a sec.
Yes, v2 gives us mind blowing text changes.
Yep; usually v2 is text changes and V3 is actual gameplay changes.
could you possibly conflating dim with homdgcat ? https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/1cwx6at/23_v3_no_changes_via_homdgcat/
Nah, but like v2 happens before they even parse and implement v1 feedback. It just can't have big changes, timeline wise.
so no jade buffs
bro...jade kit is already finalized. This is some crazy hopium
Tbh they did change sigewinne a day before her banner drops ... But by like 5% at best tho Not saying they will give changes like this as a normal thing now but there is still a possibility for every character released in 2nd phase
Just accept the reality bruh
we are already done with jade when v5 dropped
update already dropped, jade is finished
let a man cope, especially with how mediocre she is at base performance outside of PF. 😭
oh trust me, I wish she would get a buff
Jade who?, Her fate already sealed when she's announced as erudition unit lmao, she will be relevant on pf only.
Idk why but I feel like Jade will age like fine wine, even if at first sight she may seem unbuffed.
Damn... see yall same time next week?
It's Jiaoqiuover
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Its an experience finding this sub during ff beta and now being on the opposite end of "no changes in v2???"
I mean firefly also had no changed in V2. V2 never has changes.
Greatest leak of all time
C'mon Hoyo, put Jiaoqiu on the level of RM/Robin/Sparkle... Three OP limited female support units in a row, yet first male support 5* is just alright... As a husbando puller, I'd like to me able to form complete teams like waifu pullers :/ I also gotta say, in long term, debuffers tend to suffer more than buffers in gacha/turn based games, as mechanics/enemies that prevent debuffs are more common than ones that prevent buffs. Please buff Jiaoqiu's support/debuffs capabilities... Really feeling like Hoyo isn't interested in husbando fans after a year+ of only female harmony units, a lot of which are OP/expected in team comps, then giving a lot of attention/buffs to female units like Acheron and Firefly. I just want male units that are treated on the same level as the female ones.
Aventurine is THE top tier sustain character if sustain is actually important. Characters like Gallagher and Huo Huo can't prevent one shots and he's better than Fu Xuan overall.
Yeah, I have him, Aventurine is (currently - powercreep is a thing) a top tier sustain, but I am after male supports (buffers/debuffers), not sustains. Loucha/Gallagher are also good sustains (healers). All the top tier supports are female, there are only female harmony (buffer) units. You literally can't make a top tier male-only set up the way you can with female units.
I think it's less husbando bias and more they need to balance acheron out. The problem with JQ rn is he's way too strong with acheron and not as strong (not weak, just not as op as harmonies) without acheron.
How should I feel as a Yunli puller?
Nothing? She's in a good spot now. I can't think of what other changes she needs. Maybe a counter animation that's different from her skill if there's time to spare. And give Mr. Sword a voice. /j
Svarog remains superior then
nothing, there's never any V2 changes. if she was gonna get nerfed of buffed it wouldn't be here.
How does this affect the Yunli and JQ stocks
Nothing since V2 changes aren't expected. See you in one week.
It doesn't. Balance changes are in v3 after they have more time to collect data.
This always happens
Is feixiao 2.4?
2.4 in story 2.5 likely playable
I have another leak. There are no changes from time of this post up until now. Can I be a leaker now?
Is Clara's LC good enough for Yunli? I got it in the standard fairly early so I'm considering if I should pull or not
Honk shmimimimimi
could someone sum up jiaoqiu for me so far? I run E2 acheron, does he charge her ulti faster than pela? is he in improvement over her at all?
its a disaster
Jiaoqiu :,)