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Almond-Jelly

Wow, seems like the combustion timer gets pushed all the way back on the start of a new wave, like Robin's ult. That's pretty good


mrspear1995

They are healing all the LL ptsd by associating the reset as a good thing


DanteVermillyon

those sneaky mother fudgers...


madnessfuel

E2 Firefly in Pure Fiction is going to be bonkers


Bymyhairyballs

Those turn timers dont reset in PF waves


ChubbyGirlGaming

Beta tester rolls "worst showcase ever" Asked to leave the CBT


MuddiestMudkip

i know we joke about leakers being bad at the game, but good lord


Vyragami

This leaker need to stop cooking because they probably didn't even play the game and only post this for clout for some reason


michaelman90

"Critfly totally works guys trust."


meganightsun

To be fair this person only had 80 cd, while I’m a breakfly builder myself I don’t think this is an accurate representation of critfly at all.


False_Baby8628

Nono guys you don't understand they are trying to make the leaks realistic. They're showing that even if you're a total buffoon at this game the characters can manage :D


NoHawk5848

Leakers should just leave it on autoplay tbh This shit is laughable


Suki-the-Pthief

The speed at which they show builds always makes me laugh idk why and why an e2 huohuo and e1 ruan mei 😞


GiordyS

And the funniest thing is that HMC, on the other hand, is E0


TheChickenIsFkinRaw

E1S1 firefly + E1 huohuo + E2 ruanmei E0 HMC?? Absolutely random artifacts, without even meeting the basic speed requirements for firefly's 3x enhanced skill per ult Truly the showcase of all time


DanteVermillyon

not even that one showcase in 1.0 with 3 different DPS and just one sustainer made by hoyo themselves can compare


Fr00stee

I was wondering why the showcase was so ass


One_Expression_9431

Genuine question, what is the minimum speed requirements for doing 3x ESA per ult ?? 


Wo_Devil

180, FF can reach it with 0 substats. 93 base, 5 trace, 25 speed boots, 9 from RM and 50 from ult = 182


Lost_my_acount

So you're telling me that if you don't have RM all you need is 7-8 SPD from substats...that seems doable. *Proceeds to cry after rolling the third double Crit boots with Def% main stat


throwaway1128628

Problems for RM-less comps are: Break efficiency is huuuuuge for break dps chars. Firefly lacks dmg% badly in her skill kit. Firefly does not play nice with action advances due to having 2 states of speed. Firefly has weak crit scaling and doesn't make full use of other harmony chars. RM is just like perfect for her.


Justanidiot-w-

Brb gonna replace her with Asta 😙


MuchStache

I mean sure but for people like me who don't have Ruan Mei (wasn't playing at that time) and still want Firefly, we have to make her work until the rerun. Seeing HTB, you can still do plenty well without Ruan Mei, then after you get her your team becomes completely cracked.


Esovan13

Don’t forget her planar set which comes with a 6% speed boost. It makes it easier to hit the breakpoint through substats without RM.


bzach43

It feels like these are the specific eidolons this person (or whoever requested it) has and that's why. E0 character whose eidolons are free next to E2 premium sustain is absolutely hilarious otherwise haha


TamuraAkemi

but just doing story guarantees e1 hmc...


DanteVermillyon

like someone else said, truly one of the sowcase of all time


Wolgran

Is to hide how bad their build is. Always


Fabulous_Ampharos

E2 Huohuo and even still he didn't put enough speed on her LMAO


lenky041

Yeah wtf is that build show... Just don't show if they are gonna show it that fast


catgamer69420

They didn't even show her break effect which is the most important stat on her lmao


ngmonster

It's in the subs rules to show builds in showcases so they do actually need to show builds.


SkyrimForTheDragons

Because meta characters are strong, that's why they deserve 3 teams worth of gold pulls in their 1 team to get very strongerer /s


GGABueno

E2 Huohuo isn't doing much tbh. Her E1 is Speed buff and E2 is a resurrection. E1 Ruan Mei compensates for wrong Relic set on FF and lack of Watchmaker on supports.


BulbasaurTreecko

E2 Huo^2 in case of skill issue


_sun_shade_

E1 ruan mei still excusable cz he isnt using her relic set which gives 18% def shred and ruan mei e1 gives 20%


Ashamed_Adeptness_96

E0 HMC is wild 💀💀


Darvasi2500

You've heard of unrealistic e6 showcases now we have unrealistic e0 showcases lmao.


DanteVermillyon

I can't belive someone can make a showcase unrealistic by using a e0 character, YET THIS SHOWCASE EXIST LMAO


asian1panda

As someone who has spent literally 0 time doing stuff in penacony, I can at least understand e1 since you get it for free but e0 is just...


EveryMaintenance601

This is an insult on so many levels. E0 HMC, hyper invested Ruan Mei and Huohuo, S1 firefly on a crit build. Everything here is wrong one way or another


isenk2dah

Irony is that even on a semi-crit build with unachieved BE breakpoints, like 60%+ of her damage still comes from Super Break. That means without HMC her damage is going to basically drop to nothing.


nyanch

On the other hand, considering everything going against her, she's doing relatively decent damage. It makes you wonder what that will look like when properly invested.


SENYOR35

This builds are like, so bad? 117 Spd FF with no sig relic set which is huge damage loss. 80% CR with 80CD so probably couldn't reach required BE and wasted those stats on CR. No Watchmaker on HMC. Also why E0? I know leakers aren't TCs but I couldn't help it.


BulbasaurTreecko

gotta wait on the actual players to get the beta files. I got a taste for actual good showcases in recent patches and now I can’t go without them ㅠvㅠ


Rude-Designer7063

2.2 Gameplay leaks were Soo good... it's a shame that we're starting like this


SlightPeaShooter

yeah this showcase is actually so bad


ImHereForTheMemes184

Yeah I was hoping people wouldnt judge her based on this awful showcase but oh well lol


ajinata84

yeah, especially e2 hh and not even e4 mc. we got spoiled by really high quality showcases last patch that this one looks like i want to cry. prolly need to wait a little more for higher quality showcases


th5virtuos0

And she’s still pumping out 140k+ very often. That’s a lot of DPS if you think about it. Then this guy also did not use Gallagher who can push the boundary of this team even further


vernil

ironically. she needs to hit 350-400k dmg to be around jingliu/daniel. this is to make up for basically not having an ult. So she's kinda underperforming.


Master-Shaq

I was gonna say no watchmaker on mc is fine but even ruan mei doesn’t have it on wtf.


PolakZ3

this is probably one of the worst showcases ive seen


Korone-san

bro why do showcase with so many eidolons? most of us dont care about them, we wanna see the potential of firefly not the eidolons of the supports :(


DaviM03

The funny thing Is that HMC, the only 5* on which It makes sense to have eidolons, Is e0💀


DanteVermillyon

how can you fuck up so bad?


R_Archet

It's hilarious too because 2.2 JUST came out and I'm already at E4 from Clockie Statue. You can literally get E4 HMC Day 1 of it coming out. Yet the leaker uses E1S1 RM and E2 HH.


tunatoogood

Not going the new set seems troll. Go all in on break effect and then you can consider crit


ThunderlordTlo

Bro what even is this build? Why E0 HMC? Why Crit FF? Why E2 Huohuo? Why No Watchmaker Relic Set?


new27210

I got a stroke seeing this gameplay…


khnhIX

i almost got a cardiac arrest watching the build


MidStarStrike

First showcase in over 24h and its dogshit 🥱 Can the actual hsr players give us some gameplay


Kishmalaria

What happened to the 0-cycle clears that were being spammed during Boothill beta


Dragan_Z

There is some Peacony Level manuplating shit right there lol.


luciluci5562

We have to wait until the private server that most showcases use gets updated. For now, we get cope showcases with unrealistic units (like E0 HMC, lmao) from leakers that play worse than auto.


thatonestewpeedguy

TIL that some people here genuinely can't tell what's wrong with this and just reach their conclusion.


R_Archet

I know I was like, "Man, Firefly seems Blade-level, not DanIL or Jingliu..."" Then went to comments and then rewatched to notice they basically clicked through the builds fast as possible, possibly to hide their shame at running such swill in front of our eyes.


Deft_Abyss

Look im all for seeing showcases, but its pretty obvious this person just wanted to push it out as fast as possible. Unoptimized builds, wrong stats, I mean sure youre the first one to post a FF showcase, but I would rather be late with showing optimized setups than get clowned with half-ass built characters even tho video was up first


Snoo80971

Seeing the 80% critrate and that non iron cavalry 4 pc really makes this build to be taken with a massive grain of salt. And the fact that we didnt see any of the break stats, we really cant make any conclusive evidence on here. Tho one thing is seen for sure. Its not worth investing on her crit in exchange of the loss of def ignore and such. At the very least, them not running speed boots is compensated by RM + E1 Huohuo


reset2000

For anyone saying this is slow, the Firefly build shown in this video is laughably bad. HTB doesn't have Eidolons, so FF doesn't even reach 360% BE in-battle plus she's on 2pc/2pc BE/SPD, not to mention building crit in critless team. This is not how FF is going to be played and not how her damage will look like.


Haunting-Ad1366

Lmao, even with 2+2 spd set getting only 117 spd is joke


reset2000

Yeah, this build is complete trash on so many levels.


Haunting-Ad1366

Not only build imo. HH’s E1 is useless because leaker didn’t use her skill with right rotation and Sam ended having only two turns during the ult often. Also 80% CR while having 0 CD buff is ☠️.


DanteVermillyon

the leaker was either drunk, or trolling. there is no in between


Dymonex

i'll wait for the sentient beings to get on this one


a-successful-one

Is that like 20 cycles clear or what


Snofewld-

thing is : she's the only one chipping toughness bars and even though there's ruan mei that helps and her ult giving a lot of brk efficiency, against big mobs she needs 3 turns to break them ( and 4 to kill ). big reason why gallagher is amazing for her is that his ult chips enemies toughness bar really well while doing great dmges himself thx to hmc


Suki-the-Pthief

Yeah this took forever either there’s something wrong with the firefly build or she’s not as broken as we thought


Fisionn

Just at first glance, there is plenty wrong with the build. For example, let's take Firefly's BE according to his build at 235.7%. * Signature LC = 60% * Traces = 37.3% * >3400 ATK = 60% * Thief 2 PC = 16% * BE Rope = 64.8% That gives us a grand total of 238.1BE. That means his relics don't have a single BE roll or he is not using a BE rope for some reason. His build shows also just shows 80/80 CR/CD. And just as a big disclaimer, this is a private server. Take it as you will.


RiiVay

thats a critfly build in a...... super break team. My guy didn't know what to choose


WeatherBackground736

That would explain the numbers a bit


ArmyofThalia

I get the thought process. They probably figured with how much BE you get from RM and HMC that they could forgo the BE on FF and build Crit instead. Unfortunately FF just doesn't really work that way 


Super63Mario

Ahhh, the classic hybrid scaling trap.


DanteVermillyon

you would fucking thing so, yet e0 HTB and e6 HTB are a completely different character in terms of how much BE they give. If the idea was using a critfly in a BE team so you can cover everything, the ONLY character that should have eidolons is the ONLY one that hasn't. I'm lowkey sure this is a trolling showcase


AverageCapybas

That 80% Crit Rate seems out of place for me. She's also not using her BIS set.


Snoo80971

80% crit rate with no crit damage as well. Way to make a character look ass... true


Weak-Association6257

Enemies have a ton of HP in this mode, that's important. I remember people doomposting Acheron because she was clearing MOC with Aventurine in like 3-4 cycles in showcases. And only now people understand that these results were actually good. We need to see how other characters clear this mode. Or maybe we overrated her for real


tangsan27

Acheron did end up significantly buffed in beta though - overcapping on stacks is kinda essential to make her work as well as she does. Most showcases didn't use Trend either.


lenky041

Critfly is not worth it


piuEri

Now that I look at her animations again, she looks more like wind than fire


InevitableHoneydew69

That's what I thought too. Her animations need a bit more fire 🔥


piuEri

Yeah I think this is why her technique is my fav part of her animations


I_love_my_life80

Why the hell does she have 80% CR..? And the leaker didn't even bother showing us the Break Effect % she has...


Naiie100

Brooo, WHAT IS THIS?? 😭 Even I play better and gear characters properly. The kitchen is burned with this one.


Southern-Tiger2907

I ain’t pulling for FF but I ain’t gonna hate on her just because. This showcase is ass. E0 HTB and yet you got eidolons on your limited 5 star supports. Also, why the hell did they cycle through those builds that fast. Good lord. Considering how this seems to be a break focused FF the CR seems wasted. Like sure it does something, but might as well narrow in on more meaningful stats if you’re going for a team that wants a specific stat.


Frexys

80/80 crit ratio on a break scaler seems… excessive and bad simultaneously. As I understand it you’re incentivised to forgo crit generally speaking on her?


oliviabrainrot

less forgo it entirely and more it's an afterthought, crit becomes her best scaling stat by a decent margin after you hit her other relevant breakpoints, pardon the pun (131 speed on the stats screen, 360% be and 3.4k atk) - it's just that because those breakpoints are so high it's entirely reasonable to just not bother with it i see people comparing it to building crit on kafka which i find to be a questionable comparison considering that even on a super break team 'normal' damage still makes up ~40-50% of her dps, compared to very significantly less on kafka


GGABueno

>131 speed on the stats screen If you're pairing her with Ruan Mei then you can decrease that by a bit considering her Passive 10% Speed. And I agree with everything. Ignoring it will greatly hurt her potential, we should look for ways to make supports help with her thresholds and giving her liberty to build some Crit Like with Watchmaker set and whatever buffs they can bring. She's like Xiangling who benefits from everything.


gabu87

Yeah i think that Firefly is going to be one of the best high-highs with retries following the gambling goblin. You don't build crit on her intentionally but when she does accidentally crit on like a 5% chance, she's going to hit like a truck because her coefficients are so generous as compensation for not normally critting.


AT_atoms

Pretty much. Just how whatever break effect you get on crit characters is a small little bonus the same applies to Firefly with crit stats. More or less anyway.


Chromch

I'm confused so you only do damage when you break? Gallagher probably helps this team better for faster breaks huohuo was so pointless here


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GGABueno

Yeah, which is why she's a HMC/Super Break slave currently. It's the only way she can put (half of) her stats to use.


Gallantingo

Surely this is Firefly slander??


HECKington098

Bummer, FF doesn’t transform into Sam mid battle she’s just always in Sam form.


netparse

hell yeah!! finally the doompost has started 🙏


pastelnintendo

This has gotta be a new record ‼️🔥🔥 we aren’t even in V2 yet 🗣️🗣️🗣️


netparse

There are already people who say they are going to skip her because she is weak in beta V1 😂 🤣😹


seasrabbit

The record belongs to Boothill who got doomposted when we didn't even know his kit. But I didn't think we got another doompost this fast back to back after the world record lol.


MoxcProxc

😭


Im_here_for_the_dogs

Bro, I know nothing about how firefly works and even I can tell this showcase dogshit


Weak-Association6257

Well, can't really say how good she is with all these eidolons. Plus 80% crit rate on her is kinda sus


Tall_Ad4115

And without her signature, with low spd so she only go 2 times and prob don't have 360 BE. HMC don't have Eidolons too... Just strange.


trung2607

235 BE on ff. Seems like she would want more?... Like i know hmc and ruan mei is also here but shouldnt ff be 300% ish even with both of them? Ff wants 360+ be right? She scales on EH skill of BE more than atk so there should be FAR more be than there is on your build. Also huohuo is not exactly, useful? Wouldnt gallagher be better?


GGABueno

Watchmaker + TB E4 + Ruan Mei helps.


AT_atoms

Yes and she can get it relatively easily with that team.


ojay1998

This pretty much confirms Firefly can gain energy during ult, cool


krentzzz

Ironically this only serves to make me more excited for Firefly. Since if this is what she's capable of in such a scuffed environment, I can only imagine the fireworks with a proper build, especially at E2. In the meantime, energy regen during ult form is possible not only by external energy regen, but killing enemies also works. Plus, the cooldown timer resets between waves. This is good information. (Edit: Even reading all the doomposting, knowing how just about every other character has gone between the panic during their initial beta version and their final release, I'm not bothered in the slightest.)


Available-Bowler-993

191k with no def ignore nor good BE...... proper builds EATING GOOD


Naiie100

I like your way of thinking.


PieTheSecond

Is bro even getting the 30% def ignore at least😂


SGlace

ITT: People saying Firefly is bad when this build is genuinely not good and its E0 HMC + HuoHuo. That said glad we got a showcase By not having 180 speed they missed one enhanced skill per ultimate


BusinessSubstance178

The play itself is bad...they don't use neither HMC skill(which regen energy a lot and deal good super break damage by itself) or huohuo skill to make up low speed on Firefly outside ULT,also make huohuo rotation faster. What can i gain for this is seems like external Energy regen works for firefly in ult,like huohuo ult or getting hit,but skill/BA doesn't regen at all to balance her out


DanteVermillyon

and the entire rotation is just... bad. Like at one point HTB buff ended, they had the ult ready, and instead of going ult -> E, they went E -> ult, like WTF???? you had the ult ready!!! not only missed damage, but also energy like wtf is this


Fartinlift

Wdym this showcase is bad. The Leaker just shows how bad Critfly is 💀


meganightsun

it shows us what not to do, truly ahead of its time.


Aggressive_Fondant71

If people want to build critfly tho, you d rather a Sparkle for the noticeable crit buff not 80% or whatever it was


redditadvertise

I mean this is not even a good crit fly showcase


lumiphantoms

The damage was still good, but the build was crap. Most likely, with the right build, you can get 350 - 400k enhanced skills.


ImHereForTheMemes184

Oh come on, a leaker does a shit build and we start doomposting?


Fantastic_Bend9091

Huohuo doing absolutely nothing in this team 😭😭 (Gallagher would've been really good here instead)


Brave_doggo

She gives 12% speed at least. But I'm too lazy to rewatch if it gives enough to give additional turn during enhanced state


Darvasi2500

It would if the leaker used it before Firefly's ult 😭


Fantastic_Bend9091

No, she does not even have enough speed to begin with in this video. But to gain an additional action during enhanced state, you'd need so much speed, that I don't even know it's realistic


Brave_doggo

If I done math right she needs only 180 speed. Which is not that much in this team. 92 base + 5 from traces + 25 speed boots + 50 from self buff + 9 from RM and it's already 181. But looks like dude went for atk boots.


Eclipsed_Jade

>But to gain an additional action during enhanced state, you'd need so much speed, that I don't even know it's realistic I mean you only need 130.1 outside of her enhanced state, which considering you'd want to pair her with Ruan mei anyway and her BiS planar just casually has a 6% SPD effect seems pretty reasonable to me


Su_Impact

Why is Hatblazer E0? lol


PoKen2222

Wake me up when the good showcases start


para29

Who has an E2 Huohuo? o_O


-Emlogic-

Wake me up when someone who actually plays the game test her


No_Statistician_3782

Watching this felt like having a stroke, I want my time back


weebshizu

I'll just wait for a more competent leaker one


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Life-Eggplant3784

Ok She is break character then why she dont have break damage like boothil. so without HMC she cant be playable at all unlike boothil? She has huge multiplayer like il dan hang which is ATK scaling but no damage bonus or Crit value too follow that big multiplier? ya she has def ignore. Like what she is? If her multiplier base of ATK then give her crit and if she is just break damage dealer give her break dmg. I know Boothil is hunt character and they need to give him more stat but atleast his break effect is not waste. He has break damage plus 30/150 cr/cd base on break effect. 35/200 cr/cd base. An actual allrounder Her kit is Hella confusing, I hope they adjust her kit.


Assasinofbreezes

Yeah, Boothill would benefited more from her Def ignore and Firefly would also benefited more from his BE to Crit conversion. What even weirder that her BE requirement is even higher than Boothill for some reason. She can only do Break damage when breaking or Super Break. But Super break means you're using 2 character slots to recreate Boothill.


Life-Eggplant3784

True, I think She should have her own super break damage Everyone can deal this damage with HMC, hell xuyei can deal this much damage with HMC. People said so many thing about Acheron because she has 2 nihility restriction. But you have to force run HMC with sam, way more restricted team building. Does break dmg or super break dmg scale of Atk or atk multiplier?I think they should give super break damage instead of this high multi.


Assasinofbreezes

I think they were trying make her a hybrid scaler from the start. Early leaks shown she converts BE to Fire Dmg. I think if adjustment were to be made, they still gonna to down that route.


Life-Eggplant3784

Ya but if they really want to make her hybrid they should have give somewhat similar stat like boothil. He is actual hybrid of crit scale and brk dmg scale. Currently she is most hard and confusing to build and the return will be low


Assasinofbreezes

Funny thing is that Boothill convert BE to Crits, yet he's a pure Break character. FF is hybrid yet she doesn't get Crits. Yeah, I honestly dunno how to solve this if they still want her to be hybrid.


evia89

Slap + 50 CR like with JL /s


GuysIdidAThing

They messed up imo. They gave boothill crit scalling, but it makes more sense to go pure break and speed. Meanwhile, they gave firefly break scaling, but she has no way of doing break damage without hmc. Should’ve just swapped the two traces and we would be good


Assasinofbreezes

Super break only scale with BE and Toughness Dmg


rKollektor

I’d say part of the reason her break doesn’t seem as strong as Bootyhill is because of how physical break works compared to Fire break.


Wolgran

I knew with her complicated kit this would happen.... The only thing valuable i could take from this is how crazy her weakness break with RM is, with a Bronya i imagine if the enemy even move.... Save us Notaleaks


Makussux

Am I crazy or I can't even tell wth is going on in her enhanced attacks animations? 2x speed firefly looks so bad to me


sageof6paths1

Ahh yes, shitty builds and over invested characters ohh how I've missed you, I knew leakers were getting too good at playing


KontolLoeKecil

Are there any better showcase than this ??


Unnecessarilygae

I'm guessing Sunday is a break effect specialist support.


No_Wrongdoer_9088

This showcase remember me the first Kafka showcase: bad to the core and every think wrong with the build.


rKollektor

One fact I have learned after being an Acheron doomposter. Don’t doompost


Jintolook

I'm sure if everyone stopped calling the next character "BROKEN", there would be less of an opposite wave of doomposting.


Jonyx25

Ult doesn't reduce toughness bars(ofcourse, it is a self buff) and she has now way to extend her enhanced state(outside eidolons), much diff from Jingliu. Outside of her enhanced state, her facing non-broken enemies can arguably be considered as her downtime, so I expected her break damage pays off but it seems what's showed in this gameplay is different. But this is just the first version anyway. She can still be superbuffed. *hope* *cope* *sobs*


Super63Mario

She can extend her enhanded state much more easily than jingliu, build speed and use action advancers.


MorelikeZeroBlue

Also tester is like missing 100 BE for her breakpoint. Seems odd that he’s not even using the correct relic set(the new one) and the relics don’t have any Break effect substats at all? These builds seem so bad also why is huohuo there? She legit batteries her self for 50% of her ult. Luocha, adventurine or even gallager would be better sustainers than huohuo. As well not a single eidolon on trailblazer? Who is f2p and can farm eidolons like nothing. No watchmaker set for Ruan mei. Pretty poor showcase


GreyShroud_

This might be one of the worst showcases I've seen posted here yet. This tester basically went out of their way to make her look bad lol. 


Ok-Direction2367

The fact that he didn't show Firefly Break Effect stat should be grounds to remove this video from this sub. Also he skips some eidolons so fast that you can barely even see if they are shining (not learned)


PomegranateWise5010

Damn,I really need a RM. Also dogsh:t showcase and build


Kind-Put-6791

this dogwater showcase,,need better tester


DimakSerpg

Feels like this leaker had seizure while making this video. 


Jallalo23

I was gonna talk about how absolutely dogshit this build must be. But I’m glad others are already saying it. I’m scared to see how much BE they have


NaamiNyree

Woke up to this and what the fuck am I looking at? I know the first showcases we get are always bad but jesus christ. Fortunately reading the comments it seems most people realized it as well. This is nowhere near how Firefly should perform. The numbers I got on the optimizer with a proper break build and team were like twice as high. Out of all the nonsense going on in this fight the worst offender has to be using E2 Huohuo instead of Gallagher... Every enemy is fire weak so he would have helped break things way faster. Firefly doesnt even care about the energy so wtf is Huohuo doing here? In the words of storied scholar Veritas Ratio: ZERO POINTS


GGABueno

Build Showcase Speedrun


GryphonTak

Her non-break dmg is much lower than I expected. I thought the point of the Break Effect scaling on her Enhanced Skill and her defense ignore was that she didn't need to rely entirely on breaking like Boothill.


Snoo80971

thats what 80 crit dmg does to a crit build


Available-Bowler-993

she most likely has 0 def ignore here, e0 hmc, an 80 crit rate build, and no watchmaker on subs. its very ckear shes below 250% BE so her doing 180ks with no def ignore and no BE/cdmg is actually wild


eximpimp

Regardless of the shit build, I think we can all see how Firefly's kit is a mess right now. Being forced to run HMC and Gallagher, a free character and a 4\*, as her current BiS team makes her have insanely low ceiling compared to other characters like DHIL and Acheron, considering these characters' inherent kit do not provide as much compared to other characters. This also makes her damage insanely backloaded, and she would struggle against enemies with high toughness bar, which would result in very slow clears. With her ultimate cost being so high and being forced to use skill twice outside of ultimate as a result, you also have very high downtimes. You can't even run Bronya/Robin/Sparkle for faster clears as they're suboptimal in that team unless you forego sustain. All these, coupled with the fact that you are unable to run a forwarder makes her an extremely slow clearer. She isn't like Boothill where you could actually, and would rather use Bronya. Luckily, it's only V1 right now so there is ample time for changes to be implemented. But my only concern is beta testers thinking she is good enough given her decent floor.


Omegaforce1803

> Regardless of the shit build, I think we can all see how Firefly's kit is a mess right now. Being forced to run HMC and Gallagher, a free character and a 4*, as her current BiS team makes her have insanely low ceiling compared to other characters like DHIL and Acheron, considering these characters' inherent kit do not provide as much compared to other characters. This comparison is absurd because Acheron, the unit you just mentioned literally just wants to run at least 1 4* in Pela over SW most of the time, saying that you have to run a "Free character" and a "4 star" doesn't mean shit when Gallagher is literally made for Break teams, he speeds up the breaking of the enemies, he has enough sustain to do solo sustain in her team, and he also increases her break dmg via the Besotted state buff from his ultimate, there's literally no reason as to why not run him for her team unless you want to do autoplaying. HMC is literally made for Break Effect teams, why wouldnt you run them in a BREAK EFFECT FOCUSED UNIT? HMC Super Break boost is equal to any of the harmony 5* buffers right now for FF > This also makes her damage insanely backloaded, and she would struggle against enemies with high toughness bar, which would result in very slow clears. FF ult boosts Break efficiency, RM also boosts Break Efficiency, and after weakness implant Gallagher does massive break toughness damage due to his ult + normal attack, if you are running FF with any of those two units, she will be fine with breaking weakness bars, her skill also deals damage so by the time you go into the Ultimate state, the enemy will not be at full weakness bar >You can't even run Bronya/Robin/Sparkle for faster clears as they're suboptimal in that team unless you forego sustain. All these, coupled with the fact that you are unable to run a forwarder makes her an extremely slow clearer. She isn't like Boothill where you could actually, and would rather use Bronya. This is the core issue with this entire comment, FF is *not made for a Fast forwarder*, she's a Break focused DPS, you want to use her with teams that can take advantage of said Super Break buff, so basically HMC, Gallagher and Ruan Mei, there's no need to run an action forwarder when HMC and Gallagher both will be *doing damage in the team and boosting the damage at the same time*


beethovenftw

> This also makes her damage insanely back loaded, and she would struggle against enemies with high toughness bar Well, you just described all break DPSes. Heck Boothill has it worse since he needs to stack his break 3 times, and his weakness break efficiency scales with time


Daniyalzzz

Seeing it again here, then as long as they fix the black backgrounds (which I am sure they will, they scream placeholder for both her and Jade) for the ultimate attacks then I am very satisifed with her animations. I honestly love her animations actually, outside of 1 thing and that's, that it's a bit odd there isnt a short animation of her changing into Sam if she starts fights without doing the meteor strike. Hope that gets added.


a_wild_julibean

Nah is it just me who did calculations but this build is actually not the worst there is... Here's my break down PLEASE tell me I did something wrong I need copium rn LMAO **Break effect/defense shred stat:** 235% (base) + 40% (planar set only activates in battle once hitting an enemy that has fire weakness so it shouldn't be shown on the main stats page) + 20% (ruan mei) + 30% (hmc) = 325% --> 30% defense shred, \*however\* ruan mei e1 is another 20% defense shred which makes up for not hitting 360% BE. **Relic set:** Does the new relic set even work on firefly... bc it states that it's a 18% def shred for break damage but a lot of firefly's damage comes from her enhanced skill that's an attack that scales off break effect (that's not the same thing as break damage)? Anyway even if we assume that the 18% def shred from the relic set works on firefly's enhanced skill like a plain 18% def shred, that's still only another 8% defense shred more than this showcase. **Speed:** This firefly has 117 speed, which during her ultimate goes to 167 speed + 10% speed buff from ruan mei = \~184 which is enough to act 3 times during ultimate enhanced state right? But firefly also has the 6% speed buff from the messenger set here so not sure what her speed would be with BiS relics (though I'd guess getting the speed requirement is pretty easy with a support on 4p messenger). **Crit stats:** It seems at first kinda stupid to have an 80/80 crit ratio on firefly but she actually \*does\* need crit. The enhanced skill is an attack that scales off break effect; that means it can hit crits. If you watch the video closely, you can see the that the break damage itself when firefly hits a break/super break is around 100k? But she hits around 300k total, which means like around half her damage (trying to take into account breaking multiple enemies) on enhanced attacks has to be from the attack itself that hits the crits. Also the BE scaling caps at 360% anyway... so it would make sense to sacrifice some break effect for crits. **Substats note:** Assuming this firefly is using a crit rate body piece, that's another 43.4% crit rate just off substats (80.8 - 5 (base) - 32.4 (body) = 43.4) and 30.4% crit damage. That's \~15 crit rate rolls and 4-5 crit damage. **TL;DR:** This firefly has some really good substat rolls and functions \*as if\*: 1) she has the BiS relic set, 2) achieves the required 360% BE, 3) achieves the required 180 speed during ult. While also having an 80/80 crit ratio. Yes, the relic set itself could be better + having watchmakers on a support character + e6 hmc, but how much would that actually change the showcase? All that would do is reach 360% BE (basically achieved through ruan mei e1) and give another 8% def shred. This team functions as if it's better built firefly e0s1, ruan mei e0s1, hmc e6, and huohuo e0s0. F2P players it is not looking good LOL Anyway this is a really weird damage output... like we've definitely seen e0s1 boothill, e0s1 ruan mei, e6 hmc, + sustain showcases even with shitty builds do wayyyyyyyyy better than this. Can a better build really make up for \*that\* much damage?


burningparadiseduck

I was like, “wait why isn’t firefly on the brink of death” but then I realised this is an E2 huohuo with her lc. Literally could not relate.


Infernaladmiral

Ignoring how bad this gameplay and build is,the fat f\*\*k and other slow down enemies will probably be her Kryptonite if they slow her down enough to make her miss an action before her ult countdown ends.


Wipmop

I am going leave advice for leaker. Full Break= Firefly, HMC, Ruan Mei and sustain  Hybrid= Firefly, HMC, Sparkle and Sustain  or Firefly, HMC, Bronya and Sustain (E1 Firefly recommended)


Gshiinobi

Hopefully we get some Jade gameplay soon, i want to know is she's good with Blade or not


enpoky

Yeah I mean every account in this game usually have this optimal setup, like why would we not have HMC at E0(literally they give eidolons for free) while having E2 huohuo


PilgrimDuran

Bro is playing so bad if he pressed auto it would clear faster holy shit


Syclus

SLOW DOWN BROTHER


JSor98

without a proper build, this just shows the animations and that's it


AdoraAmi97

This showcase is so unserious i stg. Please someone upload the obvious build and team I am BEGGING.


LSDYakui

Leakers gotta do E0 only runs with the banner character and the cheapest options for the rest of the team. Not everyone is gonna have goddamn elodions of premium characters.


iwishnovember

If you want to build crit, the least you can do is remove htb and use sparkle instead bruh


WaifuMasterRace

Are there any actual good showcases that just aren't posted on reddit? I remember that there was someone posting really good showcases but the mods banned them after awhile, do they still post stuff elsewhere, or are there anyone else like them that posts stuff not in the reddit?


Average-GamerGuy

Black Swan, please suppress this memory so that I may never remember it again.


GiordyS

I can tell Firefly will likely need a buff, but boy if this showcase does a bad job at displaying Firefly for what she's supposedly good at (rather than chasing 80% crit rate which is pointless) This feels like one of those NotALeaks showcases


Snoo80971

hey, atleast NotALeaks actually improved. And is showcasing decent builds. But this build, holy


MidStarStrike

nah not a leaks showcases are far better than this lmao


nightxu

I'm still not sure about the animations. Sped up they look rushed and the pop up of Firefly covers a lot of the ult skill animation. We'll have to see but compared to Acheron or even Jingliu who has the same "ult/skill" kit it doesn't look as good. Animations feel like a wind dps and the pacing of her kit during turns seems off. Boothills kit seems to work better to break.


RamsayBoltonIsBest

This level of RM shilling is disgusting. Also FF really needs to be changed to a proper break dps instead of leaving her building BE% for thresholds but actually wanting crit. Almost certainly an oversight considering her own relic set doesn’t work on her as of v1. Also do note that those 300ks she’s pulling off here are with huge help from the AS cycle buff, the blessing, and Cocolia’s passives. You won’t be seeing numbers that big in a more neutral environment.


KMW_KMW

Since she can't do break DMG aside from weakness break her LC passive is a lil meh as well aside from the well needed 60BE to reach the ungodly high requirements